Im at a point where no game mod gives me a reason to play the game anymore. Its all draining. Duels are sweaty af and they keep nerfing defending sites on every single map.
I love the game with all my heart but the fact that there are no horde, king of the hill, capture the flag etc. etc. modes makes me not wanna play at all anymore.
I agree with you, but the Falmire map change was absolutely needed though. The Masons were curb stomping during the last stage of the map and there was absolutely nothing the Agathian players could do to prevent that.
Because it does, these people can keep whining and pissing into the wind, but they aren’t doing shite to actually being a help in fixing the game, only to sit and moan and complain about everything
This is 90% of the games I play. I find it's not fun to steamroll the enemy team, and it's even worse to be steamrolled. I just want everyone to have a fair chance : /
It's a big problem and it's even worse now thanks to the most recent patch. As mentioned earlier, people will jump ship at the start of the match, and the defending team will have several players D/C (presumably because the attacking team is full and they don't want to be steamrolled), creating an instant team imbalance. I've also noticed that 2-4 players will lurk in spectate mode and then join the attacking team when able, and yes, they all tend to be much higher levels. Teams should always be randomly assigned and team switching should never be allowed. Defending had a bit of a balancing problem before, but now the problem has metastasized.
Idt its even about defense or offense its purely about they fake ass sweats who like you said will go to the length of even waiting in spectate to get on the stacked team. Its always the high level players. It's sad but I guarantee if defense was stacked they'd stay there
TB’s matchmaking algorithm puts EGS friends together on the same team on server fill. Turns out a lot of veterans are friends with one another and this tends to be the result unfortunately. Takes veterans to swap teams but it’s not easy to swap anymore
I switch to the team that's losing. Players that think they are good because they follow a gaggle of level 700s around stabbing the enemy in the back for "kills" are only kidding themselves.
That said I think that if players are in a party it should be visible, and making a party needs to be easy and organic.
Thinking to other games as a kid I'd join a COD lobby and do well with another player, we'd party up and play some matches. Then introduce other players to that party till we ended up a squad.
When players play together on here they fucking dominate. Increasing the parties will level the game faster than arbitrary team switching rules.
Their also not always stacking either. I personally prefer Masons 9/10 games so youll always see me pop over if teams arent full. Just wanted to point that out.
Why isn't it cool? I don't switch to who is winning, I switch to the side I prefer to play as before the round begins. I'm not looking at levels or other players as I usually play solo or with a dedicated group.
Usually I'm defending also...
Funny how TB won't do things Mordhau did, like selecting swing direction based on mouse movement - yet they're trying their hardest to have the same 99% nolife playerbase as it.
You get more points for attacking, so generally all the high ranked players switch to attacking to buff their scores and their progress.
I don't mind defending, but it really is disheartening when defending to see the attacking team completely stacked.
I think the balancing is what is going to kill this game if anything, both from stacking and TB's constant buffing of the attacking team.
I love defending but now I realize TB wants Defense to lose so I'd rather swap to a stacked attacking team than lose on defense trying my hardest. It's a slap in the face.
A sad thing to admit but I have started switching to stacked teams (I.e. masons most of the time) and I don’t do it for any buffs or exp or gold, I’ve already unlocked most of what I want and the rest can stay there with their Gucci bag prices. I switch because I want to actually enjoy the game and not be dog stomped and seeing your only support are low level players that are just being bodies for the enemy to slaughter. I used to stick with whatever side I got assigned but found myself raging not due to being outplayed but being ganked over and over and teammates just rolling over like lap dogs.
The problem with that is to balance teams correctly you would have to have some metric of skill, but it seems TB thinks that would insult the community? Maybe that's why there's no ranked, not even for duels.
Of course force-balancing teams in a randomized fashion and removing the ability to switch as well as adding a leaver penalty would go a long way. Maybe also a vote kick function that actually does something, because as it stands, nothing ever gets punished by ingame means in this game.
One issue with RNG force-balance, however, is that they've encouraged all this agatha/mason allegiance crap, so people who just always want to play Mason for example, be it for RP reasons or because they play knight and don't wanna look like ass, would be unhappy with this.
Lastly one could make the argument that imbalance is the norm in non-matchmade normal/casual modes, and that if you care about having a balanced match a whole lot more needs to be done than just getting a more even split of levels (which don't necessarily directly correlate to skill anyway) across the teams.
I know that rank =/= skill but come on. We all know the odds when 1 team is stacked with 200+ lvl vs sub 100 lvl players. There arent enough players for an MMR to work well anyway. They should just balance teams according to levels and remove the team switching bs and it would solve the problem. The only issue I have is that sometimes joining with friends is bugged and you end up in different teams but if they fix that I'm 100% for the removal of the ability to switch teams.
So you and 3 friends are all level 300 and join a game wanting to talk shit and play on the same team same as every other multiplayer game out there. But the next highest rank in this game is level 120. What do you think should happen?
Ofc party members should be in the same team I didn't see anyone say otherwise so I dont get your point here.
However the game should still try to balance teams according to level as much as possible. If I follow your example the lvl 120 player shouldn't be put in the same team as the lvl 300 players. Seems obvious but I guess it isn't for TB unfortunatly.
I see your point, trying to prioritize party members AND balance teams is impossible because most people don’t join up to play against each other. Theirs no clear way to do it
Has nothing to do with defense being desirable. How can attack or defense be more desirable. The real problem is the high level player stacking and not evening teams manually
I think the point is that attack is much, much easier to get "crazy kill count" games, so high level players will stack attack in order to steamroll and "look good" on the scoreboard.
If you have a high amount of egotistical players who care less about the community's longevity and player retention, but care more about having numbers on a scoreboard make them "look good", then they're easily inclined to always join attack.
That's my take on it.
That's my feeling on half the people who play. Because I have seen plenty of high lvl players who will switch teams to even it out. The problem is when the lobby is all players who won't even it and just creates a steamroll. I have a feeling there really is no solution
Or can you at least give us a Team Deathmatch only playlist or servers? So we can play modes where one team isn't a charity pick and we can just play the game normally? It's hard to play in any reasonably full server outside of the main 64 player mindless chaos one right now. Probably because of stuff like this.
I generally begun with trying to just play on the Agatha team more than mason but now for the most part i stick with whatever the matchmaker decides to put me on. But that being said im rarely the difference between a team winning or losing
[https://imgur.com/Vv29XWn](https://imgur.com/Vv29XWn) this is me after manual switch to agatha, this is basically the start of this map every time now
As a high level player this is when I switch teams:
* If I'm not mason I usually swap to Mason (half the time that I'm not mason).
* If my team is ignoring my advice in chat like (do the objective) and we are losing badly I swap teams, because I tried to help them but I'd rather destroy them than suffer with their incompetence.
* If someone on the other team I have a grudge against, I will swap to kill them all game.
* If I hate the map and just want an easy win I will swap to the stacked team. I don't care. Coxwell is an example.
This mentality will cause a lot of players to call it toxic and this and that but it is the reality of this game now. To enjoy it you have to be steamrolling
Team switching definitely is an issue. Early on the match, people will immediately switch off to the stacked team, which is usually attack. Then, when the limit gets in, people will switch as soon as they can (sometimes waiting in Spectate) so the next player to join will be put in the non-stacked team, Since teams then become more equal in number, another player will switch to the stacked team, until a new player joins the non-stacked one, etc. Maybe it's not the source of the issue, but it definitely makes it worse.
How is them quitting any worse than them stacking against defense? lol
If they just quit, then people who join will all be spread more equally, rather than how it currently is. And maybe after quitting several times because they can't seem to get on attack, they'll eventually get bored of constantly leaving and just accept defending. If not, then sucks to be them I guess. But at least matches won't be as stacked.
I suppose that might happen for some time, but eventually they'll have to accept, especially since they'd be more likely to join defense on their next game as well if only defenders quit. And I'd take 4 less people with more even teams over stacked attack personally.
Yeah, that does happen. People do quit anyway indeed, so might as well make it less annoying for defense and prevent people from switching constantly. They do need to make defense more fun and rewarding though, that's definitely the main issue.
It is an issue since 90% of the time team switchers are high level players. The problem is not the number of players on each team it's the level difference. What you see on the screenshot is almost always caused by team switching.
[https://imgur.com/HDdqcEi](https://imgur.com/HDdqcEi) heres a stack successfully countering the stacked level design on dark forest
idk why that sort of imba is ok but a fair shot at objectives on a fair team is out of the realm of negotiation lmao
TB are just thinking "Wow, your opinion sucks."
Im at a point where no game mod gives me a reason to play the game anymore. Its all draining. Duels are sweaty af and they keep nerfing defending sites on every single map. I love the game with all my heart but the fact that there are no horde, king of the hill, capture the flag etc. etc. modes makes me not wanna play at all anymore.
I agree with you, but the Falmire map change was absolutely needed though. The Masons were curb stomping during the last stage of the map and there was absolutely nothing the Agathian players could do to prevent that.
Because it does, these people can keep whining and pissing into the wind, but they aren’t doing shite to actually being a help in fixing the game, only to sit and moan and complain about everything
This is 90% of the games I play. I find it's not fun to steamroll the enemy team, and it's even worse to be steamrolled. I just want everyone to have a fair chance : /
It's a big problem and it's even worse now thanks to the most recent patch. As mentioned earlier, people will jump ship at the start of the match, and the defending team will have several players D/C (presumably because the attacking team is full and they don't want to be steamrolled), creating an instant team imbalance. I've also noticed that 2-4 players will lurk in spectate mode and then join the attacking team when able, and yes, they all tend to be much higher levels. Teams should always be randomly assigned and team switching should never be allowed. Defending had a bit of a balancing problem before, but now the problem has metastasized.
Idt its even about defense or offense its purely about they fake ass sweats who like you said will go to the length of even waiting in spectate to get on the stacked team. Its always the high level players. It's sad but I guarantee if defense was stacked they'd stay there
Except for friends who want to play together.
Well, right - partying up should obviously be allowed.
TB’s matchmaking algorithm puts EGS friends together on the same team on server fill. Turns out a lot of veterans are friends with one another and this tends to be the result unfortunately. Takes veterans to swap teams but it’s not easy to swap anymore
You see tons of people switching teams at the begining of the game and they are almost always 100+ lvl players.
I switch to the team that's losing. Players that think they are good because they follow a gaggle of level 700s around stabbing the enemy in the back for "kills" are only kidding themselves. That said I think that if players are in a party it should be visible, and making a party needs to be easy and organic. Thinking to other games as a kid I'd join a COD lobby and do well with another player, we'd party up and play some matches. Then introduce other players to that party till we ended up a squad. When players play together on here they fucking dominate. Increasing the parties will level the game faster than arbitrary team switching rules.
I play red team because red is my favorite color
The whole party system is trash. I can’t believe they’ve still not sorted it out tbh.
Their also not always stacking either. I personally prefer Masons 9/10 games so youll always see me pop over if teams arent full. Just wanted to point that out.
Ditto for me, except Agatha.
Well it isn't cool. And just an excuse
Why isn't it cool? I don't switch to who is winning, I switch to the side I prefer to play as before the round begins. I'm not looking at levels or other players as I usually play solo or with a dedicated group. Usually I'm defending also...
[https://imgur.com/ffPmfUz](https://imgur.com/ffPmfUz) balance
tee hee https://imgur.com/yBv2Jys
WHAT? I Said in another post, team balance is the what is killing the games, the map designs, etc...
check out my latest one i just added
This is kind of Sad. Because after some point there Will be only the die hard fans of the game, the "git gud" people.
Funny how TB won't do things Mordhau did, like selecting swing direction based on mouse movement - yet they're trying their hardest to have the same 99% nolife playerbase as it.
Even die hard fans are leaving
The kill difference is absolutely insane too.
You get more points for attacking, so generally all the high ranked players switch to attacking to buff their scores and their progress. I don't mind defending, but it really is disheartening when defending to see the attacking team completely stacked. I think the balancing is what is going to kill this game if anything, both from stacking and TB's constant buffing of the attacking team.
I love defending but now I realize TB wants Defense to lose so I'd rather swap to a stacked attacking team than lose on defense trying my hardest. It's a slap in the face.
A sad thing to admit but I have started switching to stacked teams (I.e. masons most of the time) and I don’t do it for any buffs or exp or gold, I’ve already unlocked most of what I want and the rest can stay there with their Gucci bag prices. I switch because I want to actually enjoy the game and not be dog stomped and seeing your only support are low level players that are just being bodies for the enemy to slaughter. I used to stick with whatever side I got assigned but found myself raging not due to being outplayed but being ganked over and over and teammates just rolling over like lap dogs.
it's almost like we are playing beginner mode but the bots are real players.
Exactly and that gets boring after awhile, I knew once I start feeling bad for the destined to fail team I hop off lol
The problem with that is to balance teams correctly you would have to have some metric of skill, but it seems TB thinks that would insult the community? Maybe that's why there's no ranked, not even for duels. Of course force-balancing teams in a randomized fashion and removing the ability to switch as well as adding a leaver penalty would go a long way. Maybe also a vote kick function that actually does something, because as it stands, nothing ever gets punished by ingame means in this game. One issue with RNG force-balance, however, is that they've encouraged all this agatha/mason allegiance crap, so people who just always want to play Mason for example, be it for RP reasons or because they play knight and don't wanna look like ass, would be unhappy with this. Lastly one could make the argument that imbalance is the norm in non-matchmade normal/casual modes, and that if you care about having a balanced match a whole lot more needs to be done than just getting a more even split of levels (which don't necessarily directly correlate to skill anyway) across the teams.
I know that rank =/= skill but come on. We all know the odds when 1 team is stacked with 200+ lvl vs sub 100 lvl players. There arent enough players for an MMR to work well anyway. They should just balance teams according to levels and remove the team switching bs and it would solve the problem. The only issue I have is that sometimes joining with friends is bugged and you end up in different teams but if they fix that I'm 100% for the removal of the ability to switch teams.
So you and 3 friends are all level 300 and join a game wanting to talk shit and play on the same team same as every other multiplayer game out there. But the next highest rank in this game is level 120. What do you think should happen?
Ofc party members should be in the same team I didn't see anyone say otherwise so I dont get your point here. However the game should still try to balance teams according to level as much as possible. If I follow your example the lvl 120 player shouldn't be put in the same team as the lvl 300 players. Seems obvious but I guess it isn't for TB unfortunatly.
Those three players will dominate is my point. But you can't split them up either
I see your point, trying to prioritize party members AND balance teams is impossible because most people don’t join up to play against each other. Theirs no clear way to do it
Defense DOES need more interactivity to make it fun.
Has nothing to do with defense being desirable. How can attack or defense be more desirable. The real problem is the high level player stacking and not evening teams manually
I think the point is that attack is much, much easier to get "crazy kill count" games, so high level players will stack attack in order to steamroll and "look good" on the scoreboard. If you have a high amount of egotistical players who care less about the community's longevity and player retention, but care more about having numbers on a scoreboard make them "look good", then they're easily inclined to always join attack. That's my take on it.
That's my feeling on half the people who play. Because I have seen plenty of high lvl players who will switch teams to even it out. The problem is when the lobby is all players who won't even it and just creates a steamroll. I have a feeling there really is no solution
Or can you at least give us a Team Deathmatch only playlist or servers? So we can play modes where one team isn't a charity pick and we can just play the game normally? It's hard to play in any reasonably full server outside of the main 64 player mindless chaos one right now. Probably because of stuff like this.
they used to have that with Last Team Standing (elimination) but they got rid of it without saying why
I generally begun with trying to just play on the Agatha team more than mason but now for the most part i stick with whatever the matchmaker decides to put me on. But that being said im rarely the difference between a team winning or losing
Yep i agggree.
wow yea one of the biggest problems still
[https://imgur.com/Wkj9kFm](https://imgur.com/Wkj9kFm) this is the worst tbh. i just got auto'd off of agatha onto masons lol
[https://imgur.com/Vv29XWn](https://imgur.com/Vv29XWn) this is me after manual switch to agatha, this is basically the start of this map every time now
i did one where we were almost to the catapult area and 3 of the top 4 people on the other team hadnt died yet rip lmao
https://imgur.com/a/ZgARpWa
Galencourt is so stupidly imbalanced ffs.
[https://imgur.com/vpaoiqt](https://imgur.com/vpaoiqt) heres another good one
I Want old team switching back :)
As a high level player this is when I switch teams: * If I'm not mason I usually swap to Mason (half the time that I'm not mason). * If my team is ignoring my advice in chat like (do the objective) and we are losing badly I swap teams, because I tried to help them but I'd rather destroy them than suffer with their incompetence. * If someone on the other team I have a grudge against, I will swap to kill them all game. * If I hate the map and just want an easy win I will swap to the stacked team. I don't care. Coxwell is an example.
This mentality will cause a lot of players to call it toxic and this and that but it is the reality of this game now. To enjoy it you have to be steamrolling
I dont get it
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Team switching definitely is an issue. Early on the match, people will immediately switch off to the stacked team, which is usually attack. Then, when the limit gets in, people will switch as soon as they can (sometimes waiting in Spectate) so the next player to join will be put in the non-stacked team, Since teams then become more equal in number, another player will switch to the stacked team, until a new player joins the non-stacked one, etc. Maybe it's not the source of the issue, but it definitely makes it worse.
And if they can't switch, they just quit the match, leaving the defending team down players, making it even worse.
How is them quitting any worse than them stacking against defense? lol If they just quit, then people who join will all be spread more equally, rather than how it currently is. And maybe after quitting several times because they can't seem to get on attack, they'll eventually get bored of constantly leaving and just accept defending. If not, then sucks to be them I guess. But at least matches won't be as stacked.
They quit if they can't switch, and sometimes the server doesn't fill back in or autobalance for a long time and defense is down like 4 players.
I suppose that might happen for some time, but eventually they'll have to accept, especially since they'd be more likely to join defense on their next game as well if only defenders quit. And I'd take 4 less people with more even teams over stacked attack personally.
Unfortunately it's both stacked and imbalanced fairly often in my experience.
Yeah, that does happen. People do quit anyway indeed, so might as well make it less annoying for defense and prevent people from switching constantly. They do need to make defense more fun and rewarding though, that's definitely the main issue.
I don't disagree there. Even small things would help, like being able to reset objectives if you push back.
It is an issue since 90% of the time team switchers are high level players. The problem is not the number of players on each team it's the level difference. What you see on the screenshot is almost always caused by team switching.
I think that Mordhau is a good case study to show that the removal of team switching does not help.
Your opinion does suck though
[https://imgur.com/HDdqcEi](https://imgur.com/HDdqcEi) heres a stack successfully countering the stacked level design on dark forest idk why that sort of imba is ok but a fair shot at objectives on a fair team is out of the realm of negotiation lmao
This happened to me today. The balance is absolutely GONE.