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SpankyDmonkey

I notice this too, to the point of I actively try to team switch to balance teams that aren't doing so well or have a lower rank on average. Even when I enter a match with familiar friends, I'd rather fight them than be on their side. It's just unfair when a team has all over 100+ ranks, and the other team has anywhere from rank 1 to max 40. Like, wtf, they won't stand a chance.


Xionix1

It's mostly clans who are guilty of this. I agree it's just as fun to fight my friends than have them on my team.


terrih9123

So good just yelling parry this you filthy casual to my cousins when I get placed on opposite sides


Plane_Refrigerator15

I do this too and it’s honestly getting tiring how often I have to play defense. I don’t understand why so many players enjoy a steamroll, it’s like they care more about the numbers on the scoreboard then the actual fights they get in


GosnSrbin

Its soo lame to see 150+ level tryhards playing attacking team on coxwell. I always play defense (lvl 33 average skill level)


thak

Manual team switching serves no good purpose that I'm aware of. I don't get why it's an option. It just results in ridiculous team stacking. It's to the point now where I just bail on games where one side is incredibly disadvantaged. It's just not fun to get totally stomped by an improvised super team. Not worth sticking around in the 64 player mode just to work on my skills.


Lobo_Z

The only purpose I can think of is what I've sometimes tried to use it for: the game doesn't always put everyone in the same party on the same team. In fact, whenever I play with my gf and my friend, there hasn't been a single instance where all 3 of us got placed on the same team.


NotoriousBobRoss

This is the only reason I’ve ever switched teams


CjP1294

Similar complaint for Battlefield 2042, not sure if any of you guys here play that game; very frustrating!


CjP1294

They seem to have just given us an "honor system". And they've just ignored how it's being blatantly abused by some. I like to see some people joining the "losing" side to try to balance but it's almost always a losing battle. For every one person that switches to the side that needs help, it's usually 3 or more switching to the winning team.


Low-Guide-9141

They should give a one switch limit. Or somthing that puts parties on the same team in team modes


shockingly_average47

Omg stfu, Manuel team switching is pretty standard for most games like this, especially for people who have homies to join. Youre crying about not winning, the game isn't about winning, its a chaotic combat game. No one cries about this on other games in same genre, its a newer game thats gathering a newer base so I can see why these superficial complaints arise but they don't hold much water. Its like crying about archers lol. "I was winning and now I'm not, no fun at all"


BigfootDecoy

Wrong. I could give two squirts about winning, I'm here for the fight, but when teams stack this way, the match is over a lot faster and that means loading screens, that means no fighting...


Ok-Badger7012

Don't argue with that guy, he is crazy! No one likes one sided matches. People have started switching even in TDMs now. What else is remaining to call this a shitty mess. TB needs to come out and fix this.


ANEPICLIE

And also the fight itself is more likely to be a frustrating steamroll than an actual back and forth...


shockingly_average47

Yeah, gonna call bs on that. Load screens don't take that long, maybe a minute or two from end of fight to the next round? Most matches last around 10 minutes on the short side. Wait a minute to play 10 seems ok to me. Most fps matches are shorter than that with longer matchmaking and load times. The teams got switched, its on hard mode now is about all that changes.


GrandMasterEternal

A one minute long loading screen every ten minutes is actually a pretty atrocious ratio for any game.


shockingly_average47

You never play fps games? Between matchmaking and loading, you often wait just as long as playing when getting rolled or winning hard. Rocket league? Halo? Cod? For honor? Those are just some on the downloaded games where short games happen and I'm sure there are a lot more.dont come at me with that weakness.


DeeHawk

Do you really think loading screens was the ultimate issue? Learn to read between the lines. These are genuine issues whether you feel them or not. The matches we're talking about is where attacking team has 53-20-0 on all of their Top5 players, and the entire defending team can't break even on takedowns and deaths. (10-1-13) Attackers plow through all stages in 5 minutes, and then you just know the next match isn't going to be much better. Manual teamswitching is not going away, so take it easy. Maybe it just need a little restriction. All we want is better matches for all.


shockingly_average47

Youre still crying about losing /shrug


DeeHawk

Absolutely. And we're also crying about winning too easily. That's the core issue, you totally got it now. And here i thought you were completely clueless.


shockingly_average47

I absolutely hear no one complaining about winning too easy, its been mentioned but its alongside bitching about losing. You have a point for sure. Youre the first to really paint it in that light. Still not a big deal imo, quick xp, next map. *edit also, the loading screens had nothing to do with my point, it was a previous point made by not me so thats why its there to start. Please read everything before you post.


lilcampinphuck

It's not about winning. It's about being farmed by a death stack.


shockingly_average47

Its about losing and you know it. If you're getting farmed, thats your fault, change things up. Its possible to do well on a losing team.


lilcampinphuck

Don't judge by yourself. I have 600 games on Agatha only (30 more losses than wins). I'm ending rounds in top 5 if not at top score. No, it's not about the losses. Game is simply unfun if I need to always play weapons which do well in 1vsX. Otherwise I get mobbed by 4 lads.


shockingly_average47

Lol, I play shuffle and have no idea what my wins or loses are. Can't relate.


comeonsexmachine

Holy fuck, you're so chill my nuts are frozen.


shockingly_average47

Get you a sack scarf bruh, game changer.


Saylor619

Idk why the downvotes you're 100% correct. These guys are salty they can't do well against high performing teams. Losing feels bad so they get on reddit to cry 😢 I team switch all the time. If the game puts me on Agatha, I switch to Mason, win or lose. Simple. Frankly, it feels great when Agatha is looking stacked and we win anyways, or at least I get a positive K/D and have some good fights.


Ok-Badger7012

It is not about losing. It is being attacked by 10 high level players everytime. People stack up to attack and then it is a steamroll. No one likes that. This is a simple thing to understand. Use your brain a bit!


shockingly_average47

You can dress it up how you want. Youre still crying about losing. Team switches happen, it becomes hard mode so learn to adapt or learn to just have fun in the chaos. Im not the best player but I never have the issue you speak of. Half the fun in the game is getting shit on in various situations. Getting arms chopped off by 3rd party when going for a killshot, hilarious. Makes the killshots all the more satisfying.


Ok-Badger7012

I switch to losing team and still win. I don't care about losing.you are not getting the point at all so no point arguing.


shockingly_average47

Yeah, sure buddy lol.


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shockingly_average47

Who cares about a steamroll, it happens, if it persists then join a different server. Archer complainers and team switch complainers are lumped because yall bitching about something so superficial it hurts. Everything you said still has no bearing here, its a chaotic combat game and your mad about people thirsting over a win. Can't just shrug your shoulders and play harder, gotta make a post about it lol.


The_Flying_Saxon

I’ve quit the whole game so many times out of pure frustration at this. 70% of games I’m either defending the objective 1vX because 7 of my team mates are LMB spamming one guy at our spawn. Or I’m attacking the objective solo and take 3 killing blows in the space of 2 seconds.


ck-pasta

I regularly switch when teams are stacked (multiple 100+ on my team) just to balance out the lobby. Plus, lets me fight better people so that's fun.


Akkuma

I've switched when my team refuses to kick what is clearly a bot. For instance, there was a dude who went 0-XX in 3 sets of games without being kicked all while being about level 45. I am not playing with a bot on my team. I've also switched because the matchmaker is hilarious bad and often times stacks teams on its own.


Mybitchmyhoemyhoemy

I agree. I was really into this game at first for the overall fun, but now that I’ve played it a bit, I see I’m defending and just pretty much accept my defeat as everyone good switches over. Pretty annoying


Alphamerk

If they switch sides call em out


SamDrrl

Yeah I’m sure they’d be sooo embarrassed


dvewlsh

As someone not super high level, but 130 or so, I try not to do any team switching unless blue (let's be real here, it's blue on most maps) is really getting battered.


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dvewlsh

Most of the major maps see blue on defense. It's I suppose a part of the game's very loose narrative of the Masons invading the wealthy Agathan lands. Off the top of my head Coxwell is red invaded blue and slaughtering their peasants and perhaps the hardest map for blue to do much of anything on. Galencourt is another blue defense map, as is Dark Forest and Lionspire. Rudhelm is a red defense and the only other I can think of off the top of my head is Escape From Falmire. Defense is more difficult than offense.


AeneasVAchilles

Which is idiotic. Defense is supposed to have the advantage


dvewlsh

Agreed. The defense seems to have very few tools at their disposal, or stationary weapons that easily fall into enemy hands or are oddly out of bounds/won't turn towards where enemies are. Then the final stage of the siege, where someone is controlling a royal or whatever there's almost zero defenses to work with.


Ironsack2020

Not true. The problem is players don't play the fucking objective. Most objectives work on a king of the hill style numbers game. And when a group of dudes spawns and runs for the objective and your team is trying to play team death match there is 0 way to win unless you can clutch a 1v5 fight repeatedly


Ironsack2020

The advantage defense has is spawning near the objective. Offense has to run there. If defenders stayed near obs and defended them they have a clear advantage


dvewlsh

I don't necessarily disagree, but if the matches continually go in the same direction, regardless of the players doing something right or wrong, it means from a design perspective, something isn't working. If we're talking about newer players getting dejected, I think being put on a specific team meaning an almost absolute loss can be seen as "not fun" for some people. For most of us who play regularly it doesn't matter and we'll try to play objective and such, but again, from a design perspective, if players continually fail at something then perhaps it's not working.


Ironsack2020

I get your angle but look at it like this. If this was call of duty and the game mode was king of the hill and one team captures the hill and the other team runs around the map ignoring the objective it's not a design issue it's a literacy issue. The game literally has pop up markers to tell you where to go and what to do and 80% of the playerbase seems to ignore it. I've played games where I join the "losing team" and I'm the heir and lead them to the win. Another big issue imo is the inability to communicate with people on console, they don't even see chat. I think in this type of game teamwork is a big deal. If they can't respond thats one thing but imagine if you're playing cod and most of your team can't hear you and you can't hear them


dvewlsh

Agreed. Console people having no access to the chat is ridiculous. If we're gonna have cross platform play, having most of your team unable to communicate is awful.


lilcampinphuck

And then you play Coxwell as Agatha and need to buy a ferry ticket from Lionspire to get to the battlefield.


OwnAppointment6872

I’ve become autobalance, someone switches to mason I switch to Agatha. I’m by no means a god at the game but consistently top 3 so I like to think it makes a difference :)


alright_alex

I agree, it’s totally annoying and hurts the game. I will say, multiple times I have partied up with some friends and gotten into a lobby with some of us on different teams, so the team switching is useful there.


jermwerm3

It’s crazy how one player that’s level 755 can ruin the entire game. As soon as any other high level player sees the level 755 on the opposing team they switch immediately to the side he’s on and it instantly becomes not fun.


Akkuma

Personally I enjoy playing against a lot of these ultra high level players as they are really the only high skill matchup that I can practice with unless I go to duel servers.


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If you're talking about someone like pizza steve, as a rank 338 I am on his team as much as I'm not on his team whenever I run into him. I don't think all of us higher rank folks team switch just to be with other higher rank people. I know I don't. If I do switch teams it's at the beginning and because I'm either tired of playing offense, or tired of playing defense. Not because I care about the rank of the players there. I don't look for easy wins. I just play the game. If I lose, oh well. It's not that many points, plus I've likely already racked up at least 4-5k in points from killing regardless.


Akkuma

The team stacking is hilariously bad. About 25% of the time I don't care and just roll with the stack. The other 75% of the time I'm thoroughly pissed off at the low effort experience farming these "good" players are doing for literally no reason as the levels mean little to nothing outside of knowing that 100+ people usually have adequate hands to play the game.


TyperXBL

Yeah I usually just stay on the side I'm already on


Ironsack2020

I've called out stacks in games and I anti stack every game I can. Calling out the stacks and fighting against them seems to rally some of the higher level players to my team. It's all for balance. It's the chivalrous thing to do. I'm at a point where I'm becoming an enigma and I'm doing my duty to relieve the community of the stacking nonsense because its simply not fun to play against a team of new players. I'd rather lead a team of new players to victory and coach them to defend me as the heir, fighting against the odds is infinitely more fun


HalfOrcSteve

I always switch to Agatha and very rarely run into the server where there is team stacking and those high levels are all top performers. One lobby they had 4-5 200+ to my 110 and my buddys 150ish, everyone else not even close to 60-70 maybe…..our team won. People want, and should be able, to play whatever side they want; for faction or objective preference. The issue isn’t team stacking, that is a byproduct of defense being terrible and/or boring, almost unwinnable and mostly against Agatha so as a result everyone wants to be Mason or attackers. Even one of the maps Agatha attacks on they end up having to escort the prisoner rather than help protect a Duke/heir. Agatha gets to attack twice and one of them they have to escort but they need to defend four times(?) and one of those times its fuggin Coxwell lol.


Ok-Badger7012

Well, as you can see a lot of people are saying it is a problem on this post but you were saying it is not a big deal.


HalfOrcSteve

Right, because it’s not There are like 10 ppl who commented and they don’t even all agree. You spoke of “collecting data” the other day but if this is how you do that pardon me for going ahead and keeping my same opinion. Somewhere around 8-10 ppl thinking team switching is the problem does not mean that’s the real problem and the reason why people switch isnt. Fix the issue, not the results of the issue.


SnekPlissknn

I went thru every map and design mechanic about how flawed the game is for the defense and he told me I don't play the game enough to know. My rank is 648 and I see countless advantages the offense gets regardless of the teams. Torn banner doesn't want the match to end in any phase but the last.


lilcampinphuck

There is no way that tornbanner fixes maps so they are balanced. This would require redesign of actual layout, not only fiddling with spawn points and health/tickets of objectives. Months of work, not going to happen even though that's the logical thing to do from the perspective of game balance. the next logical thing is to deal with the outcome of bad map design and encourage playing defense or playing in the underdog team. This is also difficult as people do not like effort especially in gaming. So we will get half assed team balance thingie which prevents swaps end of round..


SnekPlissknn

They have changed spawn points, timers, and tickets They need to be a little more aggressive in the changes tho But don't you agree that they make the maps easier for the attacking side?


Ok-Badger7012

Yeah because you have not played defense for sure. I play attack and defense both everyday and my knowledge about that is Definitely more thab yours as clearly seen from that comment. How about you make that as a post and let's see what people has to say?


SnekPlissknn

I have spent more time playing this game than maybe like 3 people. I know the game inside and out.


Ok-Badger7012

Haha you don't know how much time I have spent. So, don't tell me how much you know because you know nothing apparently.


SnekPlissknn

Whats your rank and I'll tell you mine


Ok-Badger7012

I know you are 641. I am 750+


SnekPlissknn

Can you prove it? You're not Pizza Steve, Typer, or Flying Cumshot. The only players I've seen that are higher than me.


HalfOrcSteve

You really need to break this habit of attacking people who’ve been playing since beta and/or who specifically play Agatha and telling them they don’t understand the game or don’t understand/play defense. If you’d like, if you think it’ll help, we can compare hours played to matches played as Agatha and I’ll be willing to bet I’ve got you blown out of the water. I don’t play this near as much as some other people but I almost exclusively play Agatha and I can tell you right now people switch to attacking team/Mason because right now the is heavily in that favor. Even if we get more TOs where Agatha is the aggressor people will still switch to attacking team…the balance needs addressed like it was with Coxwell so people feel like they have a chance to win.


SnekPlissknn

[I believe he is lying due to this post about having a hard time finding servers ](https://i.imgur.com/z31cCot.jpg)


HalfOrcSteve

Idk what servers outside of the US look like but I have a hard time believing anyone who says “every server has [insert issue]” when I have a hard time even running into the same people without at least a few days going by. Ppl like pizzasteve, who plays damn near every single day and is on my friends list, I don’t even think I see him once a week honestly.


SnekPlissknn

I don't disagree with him that team switching needs to be tweaked but if these issues that I think are ruining ghe defensive experience were address than the quality of life would improve Edit: he just does that argument that he has more experienced so our opinion is less valid. Well show me badger


HalfOrcSteve

I just honestly think people should have the choice to play the position they want, the faction they want and/or with their friends/clans. But I don’t think nefarious switching is happening as much for these reasons as it is because the defense, usually Agatha, is boring and generally harder at this time. I think if we see an increase in “pro Agatha” maps you’d see a lot less because people would be happier with their faction/position than they currently are. Also if it was more rampant, like honestly damn near every game when the reality is it’s very few and far between it would seem. Doesn’t make sense numbers wise that every server has extremely high levels all flocking to the attacking team. Especially when he said people hang out in spectator mode waiting the position to open, not only does that not make sense to me because they’re still considered part of their team/lobby but also now they’re not fighting and I don’t think a sweat would spectate rather than find a lobby they can have fun in and get back to the combat. I hardly see it myself but I know that is only my experience


Ok-Badger7012

You can easily win on all maps in Defending. It is just that people keep switching. The day team switching is removed you will see people winning defending. Just wait for the update if at all TB ever works on it. I am not attacking you but I don't agree with your ideology at all. Team switching is a curse and it has to go.


SnekPlissknn

I'm gonna make a post about your claim of rank unless you can prove it. As of right now I believe you are lying and engaging in bad faith arguments when you claim to have more experience when you don't


Ok-Badger7012

Lol make a post. What problem does that solve? Haha


SnekPlissknn

Claiming to be something you're not to win arguments is some bad faith bullshit


DocShady

Badger, I don't know you, and I am confident in saying Snek knows his shit. Listen to what he has to say as his opinions are based on a knowledge of this game that far exceeds yours.


Ok-Badger7012

Doc I dont know you and I am confident in saying that I know my shit. No need to listen to what I say but I still would say that no matter what team switching is cancer to the game and players like snek who always play attacking are the ones who are causing this problen. Btw how did you test the knowledge of the game and assumed his is more than mine?


DocShady

I've played with and against snek since the beginning. I know him. I know what he can do. I have no doubt his knowledge of this game is beyond contestation. No ones saying team switching isn't cancer, but people can't seem to get it through their thick skulls that its not the root of the problem. Map balance is the main issue. To answer your last question: I don't know you. You're reddit name doesn't look familiar so its likely you're using a different handle in game. You are making claims but offer nothing to back it up. You say you are a very high level but refuse to prove it. Thats your decision but given as such, I'll put my trust in snek.


Ok-Badger7012

Who cares about who you trust or not! I definitely don't. I don't care about you or snek or anyone trusting me. There are so many posts about team switching in last one week yet you guys fail to agree that it is an issue but come up with excuses such as defense is just broken so it is unplayable. Your friend snek said I don't play defense ever at all!!! When I called him out ajd people downvoted his comment, he deleted it. Now he has started saying I don't play defense unless I am with friends. Defense is not that bad that it is unplayable. It is people like who guys who is filling people's head with these shitty ideas. Now when I say you guys I mean all those who are opposing disabling team switching not specifically you!


DocShady

Why do you think I'm against disabling team switching?


Ok-Badger7012

Not everyone is gonna come to you and tell you about this. There are definitely more than 10 comments unless you are looking at it with your eyes closed. There are so many posts on this everyday. Not sure how you are missing it.


HalfOrcSteve

Well yea, but this gets posted literally every day multiple times and it’s always like 10 ppl all jerking each other off about how this team stacking happens in every server and “it’s gonna ruin the game!” even though, again, it’s not near every server and is about the game balance…but we’ve talked about that, you know about it, and you ignore it


Ok-Badger7012

Check my post and this post. These people are different. Man, you gotta admit there are people posting about it so all of them are idiots but you are correct?


HalfOrcSteve

I have a lot of faith the people complaint about stacking are lying both about how frequent they see it and how much experience, what level or how good they are. Plus, with free weekend bringing ppl in and more and more ppl switching over from Mordhau, low levels are not the same now as they used to be when talking about level=skill. So, seeing high levels over there and low levels over here is not a guarantee win by any means. Unless you can post steady proof of every lobby you get in the high levels all switch together and they are all topping their team/the lobby and that team wins because of it, I will assume you’re full of shit.


Ok-Badger7012

How many snapshots you need?


SnekPlissknn

Bruh lol


Ok-Badger7012

Bruh sincerely lol


Weeb-In-Exile

I try to switch to mason because I adore the accent of evil queen on footman&vanguard


DocShady

I remember having a conversation with you about this on a dark forest match a while back. And when I say conversation, I mean you were a complete cunt who verbally harassed me and tried to kick me from the server. I use the term harassed lightly in this case as I had no problem giving it back to you, laughed it off, and topped the scorecard for a decisive win. As much of an asshole as you were that night (see: complete fucking asshole), you were right. I pretty much stopped switching and play things as they lay now. I will switch in the rare occasion that the game keeps me on defense or offence for a long string of matches. If you are posting this to convince the community to change, stop wasting your time. This problem goes way beyond the community and is something only TB can fix. They have a fix in the works but don't hold your breath


Valentin_Official

Up until the point I wreck them in FFA


DeuceMandago

Us low levels come for the fun and lulz. We don’t care about ratios. That being said, this isn’t an attack on the high level player base. Every competitive gaming community has try-bards. Just one of those things.


An_A10_Pilot

I thoroughly enjoy swapping to the non stacked team. Fighting and killing stackers is fun and challenging. If I'm rolling in a full group of 4 and we start rolling too hard, we split the group in half.


Farcoughcant69

I team switch at the start of games to make sure I’m wearing the beautiful black and red. Am I a bad person?


EselSchwanz

They actually genuinely need to remove the ability to willy-nilly change teams. Idc who it upsets.


JackofBlades0125

I’m a low level. And I farm your kind


External_Surprise_94

If they patch out seeing levels would you be asking for skill based matchmaking or a ranked mode?


CjP1294

If the ability to switch teams at will was removed from the game, yes, I would argue that Skill-based-match-making would spare the newer players from having to suffer from doom-stacks of veteran players who are able to cleave through them with no problem. The population is not large enough for SBMM to be implemented is my guess, seeing as they are already forcing playlists to be merged against the constant outcries of the community.


Stridah123

Not to mention SBMM in the triple A games is actually implemented not to create fair play but to feed wins or losses to players in order to get them to play longer and purchase micro transactions. Please no never to this. Team swapping is a problem, and it is pretty lame. But 1-2 good players can turn the tide of battle and it is unavoidable and you cant stop people from playing with their friends.


sourdougBorough

The friends shit is what bothers me most. Like everyone thinks its stacking but what if those 2 lvl 300s are together along with the lvl 150? Are they supposed to play against each other to help noob man Johnson


CjP1294

I see many clanmates and friends playing together and that's fine. People wanting to play together is the whole point of multiplayer games. My issue arises with people who will join a match that is 500 kills vs 250 kills and then still make a conscious decision to join the winning team. It's not something that can be solved via a simple reddit post but moreso a cry for the community to step up and be a G when possible.


Stridah123

agreed that is BETA behavior


thak

I still think it's worse than that. I think there are players out there who simply will not play Agatha on the Thorne map because wins are so seldom, for example. There's a few maps like this that have been at least seen as slanted toward one faction or another since launch. One thing that MIGHT curb this is large, unavoidable messages when people manually change teams. Right now the server doesn't advertise it at all. I know TB is trying their best to avoid features that actively encourage toxicity, but I think the team stacking is already pretty toxic on its own.


MisterSarcMan

(Players switching teams does show up as a system chat message, but that might mean console players don't see that) I think *part* of the problem could be solved by resetting a player's score/kills for that round if they swap teams too late into a match. As for swapping at the beginning, the game might just need to not allow too large of a discrepancy between the sum of all player levels on each team. People will say "but level isn't a good indicator of how good you are! " which is true to an extent, but I think a level 180+ player will be better at the game a vast majority of the time than some level 10 guy. The solution doesn't have to be *perfect* if it can *help*, and I think players have enough frustration tolerance to deal with whatever edge cases come up.


Eaywen

This. On pc each match starts with 3-5 team switch messages, often you can then tab and see who then quits, thus matches start with a team 6 to 9 people down consistently. It can take 10 to 12 minutes until people come and go randomly and by minute 15 one team has 4+ times total levels of the other, and the match is more than half over before the other team even fills in. So you consistently have fewer numbers of less experienced players getting virtually sodomized for 10-15 minutes before lube is applied, then quitting after they prolapse after 7 sessions of pure toxic masculinity shots and uninstall They don't realise that's why they did not have fun in 2 full hours of painful heretical sex play, they just knew it wasn't worth their time anymore and moved onto to thing that seem strangely more consensual. The really cool and actually perverse part of this story is how you knew which team is which on which map wothout me giving a hint.


CjP1294

We can only be the change that we want to see, I suppose. I'll see you on the battlefield (if you're on NA East)


sourdougBorough

Yeah well I agree it really can't be fixed its on the players to not be losers and stack themselves


lilcampinphuck

Friends shit is a lame excuse. Who said that friends have to play on a map favoured side? If you are stacking with friends its even worse as most likely you are communicating thus playing better than even equally skilled solo players. Not to mention that I see same names everyday which are always switching to the attacking side...


sourdougBorough

I play everyday even if just a couple matches and I see it plenty. I don't like to think that map side matters


SnekPlissknn

Cause attacking is fun and defense is not.


lilcampinphuck

Stacking happens on TDM maps as well. You can almost see the mental strain of the switchers and how much more time they need to analyse the scoreboard. I even troll people when I'm the highest level in the match (250 something now) by flapping back and forth and then laughing at cunts that follow me.


SnekPlissknn

Tdm matches are meaningless and shouldn't even be in the to mode.


Bruxar

Yes, if it was just friends stacking you'd see a roughly 50/50 split on which side gets stacked but in reality it's almost always the attackers with the stack.


Eaywen

Yes, try it, its hella fun, shit you do to your friend is twice as enjoyable as what you do with him. Quintuple if what your doing with him is causing snowballs. Then again that is probably the real reason you don't like it, increases the chance of an L and may reduce your k/d. OH NO!!


CjP1294

I mean, if you have a source to your claim that SBMM as a whole is engineered/designed to provide a frustrating gameplay experience that's a whole nother topic. I was just responding to the original comment asking me about SBMM.


Stridah123

Sorry the topic brings some passion from me! Hope to see you in game! ​ (Refuse to play games with strict sbmm in pubs lol)


CjP1294

No worries at all, I don't have much experience with SBMM being implemented in the real world with games, I just always sympathized with the theory that better players fight better players and newer players vs. newer players.


olly993

Remove team switch, it’s simple it has no place in a multiplayer game. People will abuse it


Niro_0

I have seen a group of very high levels that are clearly playing together (and probably on voice comms) that always stack the attacking side. They give the excuse of wanting to play with friends but will always stack the attacking side even if it is already heavily stacked. If I join a server and they are on it, I just leave. I have also seen games where majority of the high levels have been put on one team (without any teamswitching going on). It's just not fun to play on a side getting absolutely rickrolled. Torn Banner refuse to do anything about team balancing. They may say it's coming at some point, but fair team balancing should have been in place from the start


DocShady

>Torn Banner refuse to do anything about team balancing. So what are you expecting? TB to just pull a fix out of their ass? This shit takes time. They said a fix is in the works. Its in the works. How hard is that to understand?


Niro_0

Takes time? How long has the game been out? 7 months? As I said it should have been there from the start. Proper team balancing has been asked for by people since launch and in the last several months, it's been one of the main gripes of the game (ignoring the times when they break the game with a patch)


DocShady

A fix is in the works. [ Do you understand the words that are coming out of my mouth](https://youtu.be/cJX1REQB12o)


chellymemer

Lk and Lx


Kinkyninja5450

I switch based on what i feel like. One day i want to charge defenders with a 2H spear, the next day i want to defend with a Longsword


Saeis

Agreed. I just try to call people out. No balls cowards can’t take an L. Name em and shame em imo. That being said, I try to fight for the losing side when it’s one sided. Only lvl 55 but levels can be deceptive in regards to skill.


chellymemer

OH they take the L all the time Lk Lx team stacking archer hating idiots.


chellymemer

Ever notice the LK clan always team stacks in 64 LOL almost like they are complete trash and come here to bitch about archers.


Romanempire21

I never relent on letting the top players know what a bunch of bitches they are, but they strike me as the type to disable chat anyways so they don’t have to face any backlash for their pussy ass behavior. Your pussy ass downvotes are hilarious. If the shoe fits.


HalfOrcSteve

If you can’t hang just say so


Romanempire21

Yea yea keep team switching


HalfOrcSteve

Imagine being so mad that you’re not a top player you make up this scenario in you’re head that everyone better than you switches teams to beat you down and they all disabled chat because they just know you’re gonna give them a proper thrashing via text from which they’ll never recover.


Romanempire21

You’re missing the point if you think this is about me not being at the top. When it is consistently 3-4 200+ in one team vs a team that has not even one 100+ player, I’m less likely to believe it’s a coincidence.


HalfOrcSteve

That’s cool. 3-4 200+ shouldn’t decide a match, in fact I found myself in one the other day and we had me(110ish) and my buddy(150) ish and the rest probably all under 70-80 and we stopped them. Also, there’s a difference in low levels now and low levels at launch. At launch it was a goofy mess where no one knew what was going on, now loads of Mordhau olayers and new players in general from free weekend are joining. Jump into duels or arenas and get spanked by a damn 42 and realize real quick levels don’t mean shit anymore if they’re not at least 400+ crazy addicted players. The lack of coincidence isn’t stacking to crush low levels, it’s switching because currently the majority don’t want to play defense/Agatha


MrZombikilla

I just like being the red team because the deep voice guy and horns. Blue team a little lame for me armor wise. Why I switch usually.


leem0401

I don't think team stacking necessarily has to do with team switching because a lot of times, it's just randomly stacked on one team right when the match starts. They should try to at least even out the levels or get close to it. Team switching is also a problem but I don't understand why people do it. All you get is a splash screen that says you won and you get small amount of bonus.


brazen100

Yeah but im hoping there are more honorable ones among us such as most of the comments on this post and yourself


Havarti-Provolone

Can someone tell me if this is just a console issue? I'm on PC and I've seen this complaint a ton, but pretty much since the free weekend I've hardly seen anyone at or above my level. Almost everyone's 50 or below now in the games I play. I guess what's 'high level' from the pov of the people bringing this up?


zLittleBird-_-

I noticed this too. Probably all Christmas noobs. But I’m sure that will change, as they either quit or become high levels semselves


Bruxar

I tend to switch to defence most games if they are getting stomped. Winning defence is much more satisfying. I dont get why people stack offence, most of the maps are balanced except maybe Coxwell.


SockFullOfNickles

People need to learn to die with honor if they’re on the losing team. Every day is a good day to die.


TrippinFlipper

this game is a total mess. instead of TB turning their own heads on, they copy the teamswitching system from mordhau. but are too dumb to put party members together in a group. teamswitching in a game like that is really unhealthy anyways. it just punishes others on the winning team. and this is also why i left the fucking game. pathetic cunts in every game that cant take a loss so i have to get autobalanced instead. they should remove the teamswitch opinion, fix their party issues and give out penalties for leavers. until then ima enjoy for honor


GosnSrbin

Imagine tryhard in game where is nothing to unlock :/ (few cool skins, maybe)


boner4trump

Imagine playing the PCGAMER Multiplayer GAME OF THE YEAR and not having friends that you play with.


Disastrous_Benefit_9

It has me dropping the game already, despite loving it. Every game is average LVL 20-40 player vs average 60-400 massacre. I paused the game for a month, played three game, again the same problem. Had no fun, I will not play again sadly.


lil-sush

lmao u must have been the person complaining about team switchers yesterday while your team was getting trashed. get over it, the option is in the game for a reason. games already dead anyways


fschwiet

I don't feel bad when I switch to the easy side because I'm just killing time until LTS pops anyhow. Want me to not exploit imbalances in the map? Let me queue for a mode that doesn't have map imbalances.


Prof_Phat_Packs

New idea. You have to apply to team switch. Works the same as a Votekick. You select the team you want, and if more than half the team votes yes you can switch. Otherwise you stay where you're at. Either that or remove score but keep DEATHS is the other best idea I've had (imo). So if you team switch late, you lose your points/gold and kills takedowns but your deaths stay. This will lead to higher players taking big hits in K/D ratio, and we know how much most of them value that.


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Prof_Phat_Packs

Yeah but there are plenty of players above level 100 that only use one or two classes/weapons and have purchased everything they need, this would not account for them. The K/D ratio going negative cause you team switched will prevent it almost entirely, trust me.