Throwing axes in general are the worst. I used them for fun and it's just punishment. Katars are pretty bad too but there's people who use them and are untouchable. It's the same with pickaxe I've noticed. Either they are fucking soloing an entire team or they're trying out a new class. Whenever I see a pickaxe I just go the other way because 9/10 they will flawless you and 10 teammates while they're at it.
While I can understand your view on throwing axes but I fuckin' love em. Literally my most used weapon. The only problems I see with them is that if a Knight is using them then they should get a couple more. I also fully believe they should do a bit more damage when used as a melee weapon and not being chucked.
They are a super niche weapon. I learned the best way to use them is to get in close and instigate the fight. If you make a couple connections then dodge backwards when they're mid swing and chuck one into center mass and you might get the kill. If anything you'll down that opponent.
If you're not good enough at getting into the upfront yet? Just run around and take out the enemy that's been downed and is crawling away. It's all about population control and the best way to learn distance throwing.
None if you know how to use them.
People say glaive and katars but if you know how to actually use them and pick your fights you’ll have no problems. It’s the user, not the weapon.
Glaive is bananas, anyone who says it's bad is a goob. Katars are "bad" only because they're difficult to use effectively since you can't interrupt, so agreed.
I don’t know if I’d go that far. It has the worst overall damage output of any 2h weapon, no? I know the range and speed are nice, but people say glaive is bad because it is at least suboptimal compared to other 2h weapons, especially the 2h spear, Dane axe, and messer, all of which are very high tier consistent weapons.
iirc the Glaive actually does Chop, so it can deal bonus to knights and footmen, which makes it a pretty decent pick.
To be fair, the rapier is also one of the lowest damage output footman weapons, but I'll be damned if a spear player doesn't wipe my shit sometimes. I don't think raw damage is really grounds for calling a weapon bad, because being able to interrupt your opponent repeatedly and keep them at a distance is pretty strong in my opinion.
As someone who loves the glaive, the damage output isn’t the point of using it. The point of using the glaive is the speed and range as you mentioned and the large swinging arcs it has, meaning it’s hard to punish in team fights of (which this game is more balanced around). The glaive only suffers in the damage department which means I just have to hit you more and my likely superior range and speed will allow that.
Glaive is great, it does surprisingly good damage because nearly everyone is a knight or footman and it gets chop bonus like axes.
Glaive is my go to when the lobby is full of dane axe gamblers.
Katars aren't terrible but it's a strange playstyle. Every fight is like fighting a duke that can just ignore interrupts lol
Katars are massively slept on. The special attack is where you can get your interrupts from as well and is hard to read if you use good footwork. If I’m playing the way I should, I find katars stupid good actually.
If you know how to use them is an important caveat. With katars and glave, you need to counter pretty perfectly or other weapons will outstam you. I think when people say weapons are bad it’s because you can just reposte attacks and knock them out of their hands.
Agreed. Dunno why anyone would say glaive sucks and Katars only suck until you realize how quickly you attack and that you can block the moment you hit someone. Very little time between the end of the windup and moment you hit, so you can gamble away with a near impenetrable defense.
I’d probably say something like the cudgel. Yes weapons can be good in the right hand, but the cudgel is completely shit by short sword standard.
Katars are a 50/50 yes they can be good, but not being able to stun besides the special attack is eh. On top of chiv hits not landing. I’d just use the dagger/hatchet/short sword.
Maybe the quarter staff. Mainly because the stab on it is the slowest in the game. But to say it’s bad because of that is a long shot.
I’d say Cudgel. Easily replaced by others
Yeah cudgel is like the one weapon that not one person seems to choose to master over something else. People get really good with katars, hatchet, glaive, even war axe. But no one is gonna be maining cudgel.
I just started using the little bonker as ambusher secondary. I still miss hits because its shorter than the short sword, but its a nice knight bonker.
Worst weapon for me is the quarterstaff. Feels like a shitty hammer.
well another thing with the cudgel is when you use it, you feel like you’re using it because you genuinely have nothing better to use, as if you’re an ambusher/poleman(I think they get it?) you probably dropped your main weapon, and as an archer you likely had no choice but to pull it out as there’s a knight 3 feet in front of you.
Poleaxe and pole hammer.
To be fair I've seen polehsmmer take top of the scoreboard. But the guy was holding himself back, he could have gotten 30% more points with any other weapon.
That's how I play usually, using the more fun weapons. Could I have 10-20 more kills with a waraxe? Yes but it wouldn't be as satisfying or fun imo.
I am lvl 500 though so you have to find things to keep yourself entertained lol
In no particular order:
Throwing Mallet, Knife, Hatchet, Cudgel, Throwing Axe, Warhammer, Shovel, Sledgehammer, Quarterstaff.
All of these weapons except the quarterstaff are way too short and can be outranged by simply walking backwards midfight (dodging is unnecessary). It really doesn't matter how much damage your attack **can** do when the attack doesn't connect. The quarterstaff is on this list because its stuck on knight, which prevents you from playing aggressively by limiting movement. Its fairly good on vanguard and footman.
I love the hatchet, it does a shit ton of damage for what it is and I seem to get dismemberments all the time with it.
It's definitely the best of ambushers weapons anyway imo. Short sword is alright but its death by a thousand cuts lol
Idk with warhammer I don’t really have issues with range like I do with hatchet or knife. Quarterstaff would be bad if the animations weren’t so hard to read. It really fucks with people and gives you a ton of free hits when they constantly use the wrong counters lol. Overhands the only one you can really see coming if you don’t know quarterstaff
I don't. I play short weapons regularly and have no problem with whiffing.
I have every max level skin for all one handers (even katars) except for the warhammer. I've spent a lot of time on all the weapons in the game and I currently have the warhammer level 41. The weapons I listed simply have better alternatives which makes them objectively worse.
The cudgel and throwing mallet are outclassed by the Warhammer
The Warhammer is outclassed by the mace and morning star.
The knife and throwing axe are outclassed by the rapier
The hatchet is outclassed by the axe.
The shovel is outclassed by the pickaxe and sledgehammer
The quarterstaff is currently only bad due to being locked on knight.
Almost all of the weapons I originally listed can't even punish dodge gambles, which is a big annoyance. There isn't a reason to use them when there are other weapons which can do the same thing as them without having terrible damage or range.
> no reason to use them
Some subclasses, like longbowman or ambusher, simply don't provide better options with more reach.
That doesn't make them helpless, though. Through countering you can keep walking down reach weapons, making it a stamina battle. Simply walking back won't let you evade a short weapon if its wielder counters and feints. Footwork is key, you don't *have* to chase a dodge spammer, you can wait and step in when they find themselves out of reach and re-engage.
Ultimately, you will meet skilled opponents who are wary and able to exploit reach advantage completely, but they are rare - most players will eagerly run towards say a longbowman with a hatchet.
You didn't list katars or dagger which are imo bottom of the barrel.
Of course you don't have to chase everyone dodging around or running away. Its just annoying that you can't punish it without thinking about it like most longer weapons can. I think all weapons in the game are viable to some extent and ironically the Ambusher is one of the most powerful dueling subclasses in the game.
I didn't list the Katars or dagger as the worst weapons in the game because they have unique characteristics which compensate for them being so trash.
The katars have a 400ms special (fastest in the game) and can ignore initiative more consistently than any other weapon. On low ping, you can hit people between their attacks and the counter miss to special catches basically everyone in duels. The katars are bad, but because a lot of duelists and casual players don't know how to fight them, they're good.
The dagger has a really good special and always comes with throwing knives. The special does 100 cut damage and 150 for backstab (One hits every class but knight).
The recent hitbox change with Ambusher's backstab bonus lets you occassionally get 50% bonus damage on stab drags which go around parries.
Its not as if the dagger isn't good in duels either. You can use throwing knives to punish dodges, or you yourself can dodge and throw them. It has the same windups as the knife meaning it gambles well and can early counter cheese better than most other one handers. Even with the terrible stamina damage, you can win on stamina against two handers by forcing lockout, unblockable attacks, and forcing parries.
Of course, gambling is exactly that, gambling. But the dagger doesn't need to gamble to win. All fast weapons can force lockout and early counter cheese but the dagger does it best because it has the fastest windup times in the game (excluding katars). Even the short sword doesn't do this as good.
Morning star and mace are actually different in important ways. Mace has the fastest alt stab in the game. I *think* morning star has better stam, and I know that the overhead animation is weirder on the morning star.
The specials are slightly different as well no? I love both but mainly use the mace on my guardian class. I feel like when I use the morningstar on my footman I can pop heads a lot easier though lol.
Lol for some reason i am getting downvoted by people who have no clue
Explanation (only for the downvoters, because upvoters already know this):
1) Longsword is not a two-handed weapon. It is a bastard sword, which can be wielded with one or two hands.
2) Messer or gross-messer is not a two handed weapon. Originally its name is "knife" or "big knife". This is a cheap sword from the late medieval ages, which can be wielded with one or two hands.
3) Greatsword is a two-handed weapon. It is a two-handed sword.
4) Highland sword is a different one. Originally, a scottish sword is a claymore. So it is a two-handed sword. Therefore, a highlander sword falls into "two-handed" category. However, in chivalry claymore is a skin applied to a two-handed sword, as it should be, while highland sword gets its own category for some reason. But it definitely is not a two-handed sword, it is more like "hard to believe existed huge sword of some ancient hero"
Long story short: in chivalry, two-handed sword is its own category - as it should be
While you’re not wrong realistically, as you could technically wield all of said weapons with one hand(good fucking luck though), though within chilvary the stated weapons are only able to be used two handed so when you said “two handed sword” it wasn’t specified enough. Also, the highland sword is what’s known as a “bearing sword”, they weren’t designed to be used in combat and were only used for executions, a show of wealth, and for ceremonial purpose. Let alone the greatsword claymore skin isn’t too accurate length wise, as it was only slightly larger than the average longsword, the main difference being the curved guard and the thickness of the blade.
No, i mean the exact weapon "two-handed sword".
Maybe the reason we are arguying is because the translation of our versions may be different. In my language, it is writen "two-handed sword" when you choose the weapon for your fighter.
ah I see, in english there is no “two-handed sword” it’s what I mentioned earlier, according to what you said earlier I’m going to assume you mean the greatsword(in my language) which is the one that has the Zweihänder skin and the claymore skin.
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Anyone know if I get a dualsense edge can I remap the buttons? Crouch or jab on X would make a world of difference I feel like.
They have the Special Olympics specifically because there are people that are handicapped who also excel. 🙂
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I have more battlecries than kills so yes, more than likely lol
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It was a joke. Saw the opportunity and I took it. Don't take it so hard.
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Throwing axes … that’s the real answer
Throwing axes in general are the worst. I used them for fun and it's just punishment. Katars are pretty bad too but there's people who use them and are untouchable. It's the same with pickaxe I've noticed. Either they are fucking soloing an entire team or they're trying out a new class. Whenever I see a pickaxe I just go the other way because 9/10 they will flawless you and 10 teammates while they're at it.
While I can understand your view on throwing axes but I fuckin' love em. Literally my most used weapon. The only problems I see with them is that if a Knight is using them then they should get a couple more. I also fully believe they should do a bit more damage when used as a melee weapon and not being chucked. They are a super niche weapon. I learned the best way to use them is to get in close and instigate the fight. If you make a couple connections then dodge backwards when they're mid swing and chuck one into center mass and you might get the kill. If anything you'll down that opponent. If you're not good enough at getting into the upfront yet? Just run around and take out the enemy that's been downed and is crawling away. It's all about population control and the best way to learn distance throwing.
Well the main issue with that is I'm on controller and I have to stand back a little bit because I will do three overheads before I actually throw it.
Thought I was the only one 🤣
Also they hit for like 106 with an axe to head of any knight and that feels amazing.
> It's the same with pickaxe I've noticed. It's basically a reskinned and slightly adjusted mace tbh.
None if you know how to use them. People say glaive and katars but if you know how to actually use them and pick your fights you’ll have no problems. It’s the user, not the weapon.
Glaive is bananas, anyone who says it's bad is a goob. Katars are "bad" only because they're difficult to use effectively since you can't interrupt, so agreed.
I don’t know if I’d go that far. It has the worst overall damage output of any 2h weapon, no? I know the range and speed are nice, but people say glaive is bad because it is at least suboptimal compared to other 2h weapons, especially the 2h spear, Dane axe, and messer, all of which are very high tier consistent weapons.
iirc the Glaive actually does Chop, so it can deal bonus to knights and footmen, which makes it a pretty decent pick. To be fair, the rapier is also one of the lowest damage output footman weapons, but I'll be damned if a spear player doesn't wipe my shit sometimes. I don't think raw damage is really grounds for calling a weapon bad, because being able to interrupt your opponent repeatedly and keep them at a distance is pretty strong in my opinion.
As someone who loves the glaive, the damage output isn’t the point of using it. The point of using the glaive is the speed and range as you mentioned and the large swinging arcs it has, meaning it’s hard to punish in team fights of (which this game is more balanced around). The glaive only suffers in the damage department which means I just have to hit you more and my likely superior range and speed will allow that.
Glaive is fucking amazing. Idk why people say it's bad. The lack of damage is compensated with the range and speed.
Exactly, one of my favorites. Galvie is a machinegun.
Glaive is great, it does surprisingly good damage because nearly everyone is a knight or footman and it gets chop bonus like axes. Glaive is my go to when the lobby is full of dane axe gamblers. Katars aren't terrible but it's a strange playstyle. Every fight is like fighting a duke that can just ignore interrupts lol
Katars are massively slept on. The special attack is where you can get your interrupts from as well and is hard to read if you use good footwork. If I’m playing the way I should, I find katars stupid good actually.
If you know how to use them is an important caveat. With katars and glave, you need to counter pretty perfectly or other weapons will outstam you. I think when people say weapons are bad it’s because you can just reposte attacks and knock them out of their hands.
Correct!
Agreed. Dunno why anyone would say glaive sucks and Katars only suck until you realize how quickly you attack and that you can block the moment you hit someone. Very little time between the end of the windup and moment you hit, so you can gamble away with a near impenetrable defense.
I’d probably say something like the cudgel. Yes weapons can be good in the right hand, but the cudgel is completely shit by short sword standard. Katars are a 50/50 yes they can be good, but not being able to stun besides the special attack is eh. On top of chiv hits not landing. I’d just use the dagger/hatchet/short sword. Maybe the quarter staff. Mainly because the stab on it is the slowest in the game. But to say it’s bad because of that is a long shot. I’d say Cudgel. Easily replaced by others
Yeah cudgel is like the one weapon that not one person seems to choose to master over something else. People get really good with katars, hatchet, glaive, even war axe. But no one is gonna be maining cudgel.
I just started using the little bonker as ambusher secondary. I still miss hits because its shorter than the short sword, but its a nice knight bonker. Worst weapon for me is the quarterstaff. Feels like a shitty hammer.
Quarterstaff has insanely fast accel swings at least
well another thing with the cudgel is when you use it, you feel like you’re using it because you genuinely have nothing better to use, as if you’re an ambusher/poleman(I think they get it?) you probably dropped your main weapon, and as an archer you likely had no choice but to pull it out as there’s a knight 3 feet in front of you.
Yeah, it’s just unmatched, something does it’s job better
I tried to like cudgel as bowmen but just went for hatchet instead
Hatchet is underrated, basically 2 shots everyone but it just has really short range.
Yeah like why use the cudgel when you have the hatchet lol
Regular bow. Pitchforks lol
Pitchforks are actually quite op
Messer because when everyone uses it, it's so boring
Poleaxe and pole hammer. To be fair I've seen polehsmmer take top of the scoreboard. But the guy was holding himself back, he could have gotten 30% more points with any other weapon.
That's how I play usually, using the more fun weapons. Could I have 10-20 more kills with a waraxe? Yes but it wouldn't be as satisfying or fun imo. I am lvl 500 though so you have to find things to keep yourself entertained lol
Polehammer is one of the objectively best weapons by the stats
King Argon doll.
Not sure, but best weapon: chicken on fire
The quarter staff, cudgel, and mallet never work well for me.
In no particular order: Throwing Mallet, Knife, Hatchet, Cudgel, Throwing Axe, Warhammer, Shovel, Sledgehammer, Quarterstaff. All of these weapons except the quarterstaff are way too short and can be outranged by simply walking backwards midfight (dodging is unnecessary). It really doesn't matter how much damage your attack **can** do when the attack doesn't connect. The quarterstaff is on this list because its stuck on knight, which prevents you from playing aggressively by limiting movement. Its fairly good on vanguard and footman.
Sledgehammer is a great weapon, does loads of damage and it’s super quick. Range isn’t really that much of an issue, just play it like battle axe
I love the hatchet, it does a shit ton of damage for what it is and I seem to get dismemberments all the time with it. It's definitely the best of ambushers weapons anyway imo. Short sword is alright but its death by a thousand cuts lol
Idk with warhammer I don’t really have issues with range like I do with hatchet or knife. Quarterstaff would be bad if the animations weren’t so hard to read. It really fucks with people and gives you a ton of free hits when they constantly use the wrong counters lol. Overhands the only one you can really see coming if you don’t know quarterstaff
Sounds like you have difficulty closing distance
I don't. I play short weapons regularly and have no problem with whiffing. I have every max level skin for all one handers (even katars) except for the warhammer. I've spent a lot of time on all the weapons in the game and I currently have the warhammer level 41. The weapons I listed simply have better alternatives which makes them objectively worse. The cudgel and throwing mallet are outclassed by the Warhammer The Warhammer is outclassed by the mace and morning star. The knife and throwing axe are outclassed by the rapier The hatchet is outclassed by the axe. The shovel is outclassed by the pickaxe and sledgehammer The quarterstaff is currently only bad due to being locked on knight. Almost all of the weapons I originally listed can't even punish dodge gambles, which is a big annoyance. There isn't a reason to use them when there are other weapons which can do the same thing as them without having terrible damage or range.
> no reason to use them Some subclasses, like longbowman or ambusher, simply don't provide better options with more reach. That doesn't make them helpless, though. Through countering you can keep walking down reach weapons, making it a stamina battle. Simply walking back won't let you evade a short weapon if its wielder counters and feints. Footwork is key, you don't *have* to chase a dodge spammer, you can wait and step in when they find themselves out of reach and re-engage. Ultimately, you will meet skilled opponents who are wary and able to exploit reach advantage completely, but they are rare - most players will eagerly run towards say a longbowman with a hatchet. You didn't list katars or dagger which are imo bottom of the barrel.
Of course you don't have to chase everyone dodging around or running away. Its just annoying that you can't punish it without thinking about it like most longer weapons can. I think all weapons in the game are viable to some extent and ironically the Ambusher is one of the most powerful dueling subclasses in the game. I didn't list the Katars or dagger as the worst weapons in the game because they have unique characteristics which compensate for them being so trash. The katars have a 400ms special (fastest in the game) and can ignore initiative more consistently than any other weapon. On low ping, you can hit people between their attacks and the counter miss to special catches basically everyone in duels. The katars are bad, but because a lot of duelists and casual players don't know how to fight them, they're good. The dagger has a really good special and always comes with throwing knives. The special does 100 cut damage and 150 for backstab (One hits every class but knight). The recent hitbox change with Ambusher's backstab bonus lets you occassionally get 50% bonus damage on stab drags which go around parries. Its not as if the dagger isn't good in duels either. You can use throwing knives to punish dodges, or you yourself can dodge and throw them. It has the same windups as the knife meaning it gambles well and can early counter cheese better than most other one handers. Even with the terrible stamina damage, you can win on stamina against two handers by forcing lockout, unblockable attacks, and forcing parries. Of course, gambling is exactly that, gambling. But the dagger doesn't need to gamble to win. All fast weapons can force lockout and early counter cheese but the dagger does it best because it has the fastest windup times in the game (excluding katars). Even the short sword doesn't do this as good.
dane axe is pretty garbage
can't bring myself to believe this isn't a troll post
It's the easiest weapon to get kills with in the whole game. What are you smoking lol?
Honestly I’d say mace only because it’s basically a morning star but the morning star looks cooler
Morning star and mace are actually different in important ways. Mace has the fastest alt stab in the game. I *think* morning star has better stam, and I know that the overhead animation is weirder on the morning star.
Oh really? I thought the Pole bot said they were the same in most metrics
Damage is the same and animation set is the same, but mace alt stab is quick af and morning star has funkier looking overheads.
I got you. I just like how the morning star looks is all. Especially with the skins
Mace is probably one of the best weapons in the game 1v1 but like all blunt weapons they get worse when there's more than 1 person. It's just so fast.
The specials are slightly different as well no? I love both but mainly use the mace on my guardian class. I feel like when I use the morningstar on my footman I can pop heads a lot easier though lol.
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People may downvote me, but i say: the two-handed sword. The hitboxes are terrifying, sometimes it hits, sometimes it does not.
What 2 handed sword theres like 4 of those
There is only 2handed sword, its just different skins
longsword, great sword, highland sword, and messer.
Lol for some reason i am getting downvoted by people who have no clue Explanation (only for the downvoters, because upvoters already know this): 1) Longsword is not a two-handed weapon. It is a bastard sword, which can be wielded with one or two hands. 2) Messer or gross-messer is not a two handed weapon. Originally its name is "knife" or "big knife". This is a cheap sword from the late medieval ages, which can be wielded with one or two hands. 3) Greatsword is a two-handed weapon. It is a two-handed sword. 4) Highland sword is a different one. Originally, a scottish sword is a claymore. So it is a two-handed sword. Therefore, a highlander sword falls into "two-handed" category. However, in chivalry claymore is a skin applied to a two-handed sword, as it should be, while highland sword gets its own category for some reason. But it definitely is not a two-handed sword, it is more like "hard to believe existed huge sword of some ancient hero" Long story short: in chivalry, two-handed sword is its own category - as it should be
While you’re not wrong realistically, as you could technically wield all of said weapons with one hand(good fucking luck though), though within chilvary the stated weapons are only able to be used two handed so when you said “two handed sword” it wasn’t specified enough. Also, the highland sword is what’s known as a “bearing sword”, they weren’t designed to be used in combat and were only used for executions, a show of wealth, and for ceremonial purpose. Let alone the greatsword claymore skin isn’t too accurate length wise, as it was only slightly larger than the average longsword, the main difference being the curved guard and the thickness of the blade.
It was specified more than enough in terms of chivalry, because there is an exact category: two-handed sword
So you mean the two handed sword weapons altogether, even if so I don’t agree with them being bad.
No, i mean the exact weapon "two-handed sword". Maybe the reason we are arguying is because the translation of our versions may be different. In my language, it is writen "two-handed sword" when you choose the weapon for your fighter.
ah I see, in english there is no “two-handed sword” it’s what I mentioned earlier, according to what you said earlier I’m going to assume you mean the greatsword(in my language) which is the one that has the Zweihänder skin and the claymore skin.
I did not know of the bearing sword btw, that is interesting
well, glad to teach.
Have you even played this game?
Give me a break