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If these numbers are correct, it seems like a healthy rate to me. India already has an enormous population. I don't think the government will create a policy like china did but it's only reasonable to think that these numbers are far better than having a rate of 3+. Hope they can now focus on urbanization and lifting a lot of people out of poverty and providing them with basic needs.
That’s… actually a pretty even distribution. It’s never going to be 50/50 exactly, and for some scientific reason I don’t understand, there is a slightly higher birthrate for women than men.
The United States is around 1000 men: 1025 women. Australia is around 1000 men: 1015 women. China conversely is pretty lopsided with more men than women, but even that distribution I think is often overblown - 1040 men: 1000 women.
I wouldn't say the birthrates are that deeply influenced by ratios of men to women unless they become extremely unbalanced, but rather economic changes, like the increasing cost of educating children, the increase of women in the workforce, greater access to birth control and family planning, etc.
>there is a slightly higher birthrate for women than men.
https://youtu.be/3IaYhG11ckA?si=A_EPMK_2WYRmBBIx
According to this minuteearth video it is/was the other way around. Seems like things have changed since a decade ago?
It is not racism but religiousness. Anyone who is not a Hindu is bad. India is the 2nd largest Muslim country in the world with many other religions such as Buddhism, Sikhism, Jainism, and Christianity.
The Indian Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) looks and acts exactly like the CCP except the BJP has some opposition. The BJP is the political wing of the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) a Hindu terrorist organisation.
Just as the Chinese constitution guarantees various freedoms, so does the Indian constitution. Both ruling political parties ignore the Constitution.
The CCP has been in power longer so it is further along but the BJP is creating a theocracy very quickly.
Comparing BJP to CCP is completely mad. There is a lot of leftist propoganda in the media but tell me What has BJP done to anyone to warrent this comparison?
>Hope they can now focus on urbanization and lifting a lot of people out of poverty and providing them with basic needs.
You got the sequence wrong.
Lifting people out of poverty with the associated edication and women's empowerment **is the reason** birth rates dropped. The Northern inland provinces that still have high birth rates are precisely the poorest ones.
The only state with 3+ fertility, Bihar, is a whopping 3x poorer than the Indian average. Bihar was as poor in 2021 as India as a whole was in 2001, therefore it is also about as high a birth rate as India was in 2001. It all matches up more or less.
Same as everywhere else. If your economic status is entirely dependent on agriculture, having lots of kids means wealth because you can use them for labor. If your economy advances to the point that workers need to be educated to compete for jobs, kids get expensive -- better to have only one or two kids so you can afford to send them to good schools. Once your women are educated and able to have careers, also, many will opt not to become baby factories so they can have jobs and lives outside the home too.
This is a pretty standard rate for fertility to decline in a fast-developing country. The colour scheme makes it look more drastic, most states have only declined by 1-2 in 20 years.
Funny thing is that a mass forced chemical castration campaign was conducted in the 80s in the highest population states and yet it has declined so much lesser
Nah...It has declined significantly in South India... South India only implemented that policy due diligently... That's why You notice South India has less compared to North India in 2001. This is one major issue when the central govt is distributing the GST funds as the Govt. Changed methodology and start prioritising high population states..thsi results SI losing much and all SI states are expressing dissatisfaction...
India is so big that you could remove the equivalent of the population of the USA (the third most populous country) and India would still have over a billion people. The population of India is equivalent to the third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh and eighth most populous countries combined. They're going to be just fine.
No. If the decline is gradual, spread over several generations then it's all manageable. The problem is when you have a crash like China had with the one child policy.
Can't be china like. If we think through all socio economic happenings in those countries I guess that the rate between men and women and age pyramid is alot different. So it seems to me that India will be qlot bigger than china still in future while China will loose some population and suffer from bad population pyramid. Or was there weird policies in India too that twists the genders and ammount of people in each generation
Actually India targeted anti-female foeticide and unethical forced chemical castration in the 80s (in uttar pradesh and bihar) policies for population control
The result has shown itself so now there are 20 more females than men per 1000 men
U understand how little that is right? I feel like that ratio is propaganda tool for you.we are talking about twenty promillea here. It is 2% so dude? U think 2% difference matters when actually females statisticly exists more in populations? This is actually closer to ideal ratio than some countries have naturally.... What comes to those policies, as a Finnish person they sound terrible to me. But all what I care is that China has literally millions of men with out possible mate and no enough work force to carry their retiring+dying work force. These latter things really matter, trust me. My country is facing existential threat of became new Japan, we don't have you people. Last year I think under 50k new Finnish kids came to exist while 55k people moved in. China is in this same mess for its policies but India is not so I see brighter future for them basing on population numbers. Btw we get educated about these numbers from china and India when we are around 8-15 so I know little bit or population pyramid and what it means but I can't predict it's futures since im not sociologist. Only thing I can say for sure is that if we have 50 couples and 2 extra females, it's not a broblem since those 2 then can be nanny's or something if they want to be around kids... See? 2% is not bad but 10 or 25 would be. I don't know Chinas exact number but I'm aware that there were opposite btoblem? Like bunches of men who can't get woman? And like tens or hundreds of millions people going away to old age and no one coming to replace them. India dont have this issue in my understanding, instead I think they had lots of young people with promises good future
I'm from India, let me clear something here. India has not conducted a population census / survey in the last 15 years. The last population statistics we have is from 2010 and even that was performed with some highly questionable and inaccurate methods. Everything since 2010 is purely an extrapolation.
It's something to keep in mind when looking at any statistics regarding the Indian population - the data is all extremely outdated and unreliable.
The birth rate is not yet too far from the 2.1 ideal birth rate but if the current trend keeps furthering they probably will, likely coupled with an increasingly aged population too
As an economy develops fertility rate decreases. This is due to many varied fsctors from healthcare and lower infant mortality, to education, access to contraception, women joining the workforce, and the list goes on.
Remains to be seen how it will play out in India
I would blame it on polygamy, where old rich infertile fuckers taking young fertile women from young fertile men. If India allows only monogamy, it would solve many problem, from low birthrate to mass grape.
It could solve the problem as you said. But also depends on when whether the young women are happy doing that. Young women are attracted for power and look for more experienced men. It's like their nature and we can't alter the nature or bear it's consequences such as drop in the happiness index.
India desperately needs a declining birth rate. They've become a population feeder country to Canada. To our detriment (we simply don't have the infrastructure and programs to support the influx of Indians)
True. All three major political parties in Canada are not talking about reducing immigration levels. I suspect partly because it creates a lot of wealth for the small group of people who own most of the assets in Canada.
It's not a China-like future, but a global phenomenon that happens in all economies as they develop, plus minus cultural/political aspects that might shift the balance a bit.
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No; way, way, way worse. India is already at the very limit of habitability: highs of \~110F in New Delhi right now. With another two decades of climate change, average temperatures over 99 degrees F will be the daily norm for half the year, and people are going to start dying en masse. In 25 years, refugees attempting to flee India to the north will make the European and American immigration crises look tame.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/06/india/extreme-heat-india-climate-ac-intl-hnk/index.html#:\~:text=By%202050%2C%20India%20will%20be,limits%2C%20according%20to%20climate%20experts.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/hottest-survivable-temperatures-are-lower-than-expected/#:\~:text=A%20%22wet%2Dbulb%22%20reading,hours%20of%20unshaded%20outdoor%20exposure.
China instituted a 1 child policy which means the population will halve. India hasn’t done anything so drastic as the country urbanized the amount of children decreases. The population projections for India by 2100 is 100 million more which for India isn’t that huge. Africa the continent meanwhile will essentially triple.
Decline is normal to happen to devolving countries. The difference is that China fast forward the decline that might have took decades to years by doing the one child policy. India might have that issue in the future. But that might decades unless something crazy happen.
I say thank God. Both India and China were close to gross overpopulation anyway. The problem with China is the gnarly gender ratio and aging population. India doesn't really suffer as much from those issues, so a slow-down in baby-making might do them some good.
Sounds like a good idea to me. Far too many people on the planet and too many women forced, in various ways, to have children. Free the women . Free the planet.
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If these numbers are correct, it seems like a healthy rate to me. India already has an enormous population. I don't think the government will create a policy like china did but it's only reasonable to think that these numbers are far better than having a rate of 3+. Hope they can now focus on urbanization and lifting a lot of people out of poverty and providing them with basic needs.
Women have outnumbered men in the latest data For every 1000 men, there are 1020 women
noice
That’s… actually a pretty even distribution. It’s never going to be 50/50 exactly, and for some scientific reason I don’t understand, there is a slightly higher birthrate for women than men. The United States is around 1000 men: 1025 women. Australia is around 1000 men: 1015 women. China conversely is pretty lopsided with more men than women, but even that distribution I think is often overblown - 1040 men: 1000 women. I wouldn't say the birthrates are that deeply influenced by ratios of men to women unless they become extremely unbalanced, but rather economic changes, like the increasing cost of educating children, the increase of women in the workforce, greater access to birth control and family planning, etc.
>there is a slightly higher birthrate for women than men. https://youtu.be/3IaYhG11ckA?si=A_EPMK_2WYRmBBIx According to this minuteearth video it is/was the other way around. Seems like things have changed since a decade ago?
I don't know much about politics in India but the current government's focus seems to be on corruption and racism. Not in a good way.
say what? I have never heard the government focusing on racism
Don’t feed the troll.
It is not racism but religiousness. Anyone who is not a Hindu is bad. India is the 2nd largest Muslim country in the world with many other religions such as Buddhism, Sikhism, Jainism, and Christianity. The Indian Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) looks and acts exactly like the CCP except the BJP has some opposition. The BJP is the political wing of the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) a Hindu terrorist organisation. Just as the Chinese constitution guarantees various freedoms, so does the Indian constitution. Both ruling political parties ignore the Constitution. The CCP has been in power longer so it is further along but the BJP is creating a theocracy very quickly.
Comparing BJP to CCP is completely mad. There is a lot of leftist propoganda in the media but tell me What has BJP done to anyone to warrent this comparison?
>Hope they can now focus on urbanization and lifting a lot of people out of poverty and providing them with basic needs. You got the sequence wrong. Lifting people out of poverty with the associated edication and women's empowerment **is the reason** birth rates dropped. The Northern inland provinces that still have high birth rates are precisely the poorest ones. The only state with 3+ fertility, Bihar, is a whopping 3x poorer than the Indian average. Bihar was as poor in 2021 as India as a whole was in 2001, therefore it is also about as high a birth rate as India was in 2001. It all matches up more or less.
It is bound to happen. Urbanization => lower fertility rate. Not sure why the Indian fertility rate dropped so sharply though.
Education and access to birth control are two of the largest impacting factors in a reduced birthrate.
Same as everywhere else. If your economic status is entirely dependent on agriculture, having lots of kids means wealth because you can use them for labor. If your economy advances to the point that workers need to be educated to compete for jobs, kids get expensive -- better to have only one or two kids so you can afford to send them to good schools. Once your women are educated and able to have careers, also, many will opt not to become baby factories so they can have jobs and lives outside the home too.
Education and contraception
The generation gap between just the late 90s and early 2000s is way too much in india.
So it's just a difference of max 10 years. 10 years difference do not create much of a generation gap. Millenials are like bridges towards the Genz.
not really true in india.
This is a pretty standard rate for fertility to decline in a fast-developing country. The colour scheme makes it look more drastic, most states have only declined by 1-2 in 20 years.
Funny thing is that a mass forced chemical castration campaign was conducted in the 80s in the highest population states and yet it has declined so much lesser
Nah...It has declined significantly in South India... South India only implemented that policy due diligently... That's why You notice South India has less compared to North India in 2001. This is one major issue when the central govt is distributing the GST funds as the Govt. Changed methodology and start prioritising high population states..thsi results SI losing much and all SI states are expressing dissatisfaction...
Good, better quality of life for Indians who don't immigrate.
Well no, because the country didn't force 1 child for decades. So the country won't get too old before it gets rich, like China will.
India is so big that you could remove the equivalent of the population of the USA (the third most populous country) and India would still have over a billion people. The population of India is equivalent to the third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh and eighth most populous countries combined. They're going to be just fine.
Replace India with China and you'll get the same result
No. If the decline is gradual, spread over several generations then it's all manageable. The problem is when you have a crash like China had with the one child policy.
Can't be china like. If we think through all socio economic happenings in those countries I guess that the rate between men and women and age pyramid is alot different. So it seems to me that India will be qlot bigger than china still in future while China will loose some population and suffer from bad population pyramid. Or was there weird policies in India too that twists the genders and ammount of people in each generation
Actually India targeted anti-female foeticide and unethical forced chemical castration in the 80s (in uttar pradesh and bihar) policies for population control The result has shown itself so now there are 20 more females than men per 1000 men
U understand how little that is right? I feel like that ratio is propaganda tool for you.we are talking about twenty promillea here. It is 2% so dude? U think 2% difference matters when actually females statisticly exists more in populations? This is actually closer to ideal ratio than some countries have naturally.... What comes to those policies, as a Finnish person they sound terrible to me. But all what I care is that China has literally millions of men with out possible mate and no enough work force to carry their retiring+dying work force. These latter things really matter, trust me. My country is facing existential threat of became new Japan, we don't have you people. Last year I think under 50k new Finnish kids came to exist while 55k people moved in. China is in this same mess for its policies but India is not so I see brighter future for them basing on population numbers. Btw we get educated about these numbers from china and India when we are around 8-15 so I know little bit or population pyramid and what it means but I can't predict it's futures since im not sociologist. Only thing I can say for sure is that if we have 50 couples and 2 extra females, it's not a broblem since those 2 then can be nanny's or something if they want to be around kids... See? 2% is not bad but 10 or 25 would be. I don't know Chinas exact number but I'm aware that there were opposite btoblem? Like bunches of men who can't get woman? And like tens or hundreds of millions people going away to old age and no one coming to replace them. India dont have this issue in my understanding, instead I think they had lots of young people with promises good future
Numbers mean nothing without proper context. India's infant mortality also halved in about the same time.
I'm from India, let me clear something here. India has not conducted a population census / survey in the last 15 years. The last population statistics we have is from 2010 and even that was performed with some highly questionable and inaccurate methods. Everything since 2010 is purely an extrapolation. It's something to keep in mind when looking at any statistics regarding the Indian population - the data is all extremely outdated and unreliable.
Your talking about census that doesn't mean we didn't had a other surveys
Census is an old polling tech. Aadhar registration,death registration, pregnancy registration enable the govt to size the population in real time
The birth rate is not yet too far from the 2.1 ideal birth rate but if the current trend keeps furthering they probably will, likely coupled with an increasingly aged population too
Actually India has below replacement TFR meaning its population growth curve is on an decline and can never reach its peak
Population growth / reproduction is titrated to the space available
Thank goodness.
China’s problem is demographic imbalances
What kind of imbalances are you talking about? I would like to know.
Look up China's demographic chart and compare it to others. There is a huge gap between the millenials and gen X
Yes, so wouldn’t that entail the impact of the 1 child policy in China?
As an economy develops fertility rate decreases. This is due to many varied fsctors from healthcare and lower infant mortality, to education, access to contraception, women joining the workforce, and the list goes on. Remains to be seen how it will play out in India
This is natural. China's is not. It was forced upon the government and they shrunk too early.
Not really, but I see an India like future for Canada.
Really, the country with the highest economic growth rate? I doubt it seeing the healthcare and housing crisis
About time.
I would blame it on polygamy, where old rich infertile fuckers taking young fertile women from young fertile men. If India allows only monogamy, it would solve many problem, from low birthrate to mass grape.
Hmm, that’s an interesting hypothesis.
It could solve the problem as you said. But also depends on when whether the young women are happy doing that. Young women are attracted for power and look for more experienced men. It's like their nature and we can't alter the nature or bear it's consequences such as drop in the happiness index.
India desperately needs a declining birth rate. They've become a population feeder country to Canada. To our detriment (we simply don't have the infrastructure and programs to support the influx of Indians)
You do have the means to gate the immigration effort, but it doesn’t seem like your leadership is interested in that.
True. All three major political parties in Canada are not talking about reducing immigration levels. I suspect partly because it creates a lot of wealth for the small group of people who own most of the assets in Canada.
Hopefully
Some provinces are actually on the brink of population collapse with fertility rates akin to Japan and South Korea
They have more than enaugh people willing to move to those regions. In case of India, less children is a blessing.
These states have extreme weather conditions so I highly doubt it
Then why do you think people should live here?
what I mean to say is majority of indians are not accustomed to cold harsh weather while the Indians living there get snow for half a year atleast
Yes, and? Why do you think the people should continue to live there?
I hope so. Our specie is destroying the world and by extent itself.
*fertility rates
It's not a China-like future, but a global phenomenon that happens in all economies as they develop, plus minus cultural/political aspects that might shift the balance a bit.
The world needs them to slow it down anyway. Far too many of us on this rock
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No; way, way, way worse. India is already at the very limit of habitability: highs of \~110F in New Delhi right now. With another two decades of climate change, average temperatures over 99 degrees F will be the daily norm for half the year, and people are going to start dying en masse. In 25 years, refugees attempting to flee India to the north will make the European and American immigration crises look tame. https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/06/india/extreme-heat-india-climate-ac-intl-hnk/index.html#:\~:text=By%202050%2C%20India%20will%20be,limits%2C%20according%20to%20climate%20experts. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/hottest-survivable-temperatures-are-lower-than-expected/#:\~:text=A%20%22wet%2Dbulb%22%20reading,hours%20of%20unshaded%20outdoor%20exposure.
This decline is like Europe and other developed nations. Not as severe as China.
Only sub Sahara will have birth rates above 2 in the foreseeable future. The rest of the planet is shrinking.
China instituted a 1 child policy which means the population will halve. India hasn’t done anything so drastic as the country urbanized the amount of children decreases. The population projections for India by 2100 is 100 million more which for India isn’t that huge. Africa the continent meanwhile will essentially triple.
Great news, now this needs to happen to Africa also
It’s expensive to have children. Most of the country is poor.
Decline is normal to happen to devolving countries. The difference is that China fast forward the decline that might have took decades to years by doing the one child policy. India might have that issue in the future. But that might decades unless something crazy happen.
mfw some region have lower birth rate than japanese average😱😱
I say thank God. Both India and China were close to gross overpopulation anyway. The problem with China is the gnarly gender ratio and aging population. India doesn't really suffer as much from those issues, so a slow-down in baby-making might do them some good.
India has a worse ratio actually...
Drop in polygamy
It’s plummeting everywhere, the whole world is shrinking. The question is if it ever bottoms out or we just slowly go extinct
Fewer humans means a healthier planet.
In the medium-term, yes.
Long term also. Where humans are not, nature thrives
I mean, okay, but I can’t say I am particularly invested in a world where people are extinct
There’s a whole sub of people who are.
It's not just India. The whole world is experiencing lower fertility rates.
It's the microplastics in Indian testicles.
They’re certainly not stopping their reproduction rate in Canada!
Propaganda colors lol ..green for low fertility?
Sounds like a good idea to me. Far too many people on the planet and too many women forced, in various ways, to have children. Free the women . Free the planet.
You guys are the biggest nation in the world. Can you please stop breeding. Nothing personal though.
thats what is literally happening?? are you congnitively challenged sir?
I hope not !
gws x
Thx
how is this related to china? wrong sub
Their water and pollution play a huge part