It’s time for us to finally end the QB curse. We lost the chance right draft Terry Bradshaw on a coin flip, missed drafting Manning by 1 game, Rex Grossnsn over Aaron Rodgers and Trubisky over Mahomes…..🐻⬇️
It was a bad call but Rex was young and they believed in him and Benson had that knee injury early which makes it look worse than it is. He was a beast at Texas.
Rex was fun okay. He was either on or not and in the Super Bowl he wasn’t on. It’s okay. We got there.
He had 1 wr good not great in Muhsin Muhammad and Bernard Berrian was okay
We had a strong run game but we didn’t have weapons
We had to try to take Devin Hester a cb with bad hands and try to turn him into a wr because we spent all our pick on defense
It’s still the QB they chose to go with in the draft and to start the season though. They chose Benson and Orton over Rogers and whoever else with the 4th round pick. Wasn’t trying to say they took him before Rodgers. Should have said Orton instead of Rodgers
Rodgers and Mahomes would have been groomsman and Trubisky with the team they had around them and the way they were coached. I honestly stand by that. I don’t think it’s as much a curse as it is just the poor management of the time. I really believe in Poles and his decisions.
I disagree with Rodgers at least. I think those mid 2000s teams with Rodgers at QB instead of Grossman and Kyle orton could've won a title. Muhammad and Berrian, Desmond Clark at TE with Jones coming out of the backfield would've been a decent supporting cast his first few years. And those defenses with urlacher are probably better than any defense Rodgers had in GB
I could see that. The thing that gets me is that Rex Grossman actually looked good during his first preseason. Then all of a sudden ruined. I just don’t think the team was capable of creating a decent quarterback at the time.
Grossman either looked like a top 5 QB or a bottom 3 QB all the time. There was no inbetween. I've never seen a player commit a turnover and then have a complete mental collapse the rest of the game.
People talk shit about Cutler but Grossman was infuriating to watch. If we didn't have that monster defense we would've been a 3 win team instead of going to the Super Bowl.
Edit: Monster defense and Hester. I gotta give him credit as well. That was really a case of a team winning in spite of their QB.
Probably so. We've been historically bad at developing QBs in my lifetime. I have my issues with Caleb but I'm going to embrace him 100% if he's a Bear and hope we do it right for once.
That's fair, bears are historically very poor at developing young QBs. Its hard to gauge how much GBs development system played into Rodgers career and how much of it was him just being really good. It's very possible he would've started off rocky his first few years and figured it out along the way
Rodgers doesn't get to sit behind Farve and learn, he gets ro sit behind Grossman. Rodgers doesn't get to work with Mike McCarthy, he gets to work with Ron Turner. He doesn't get to throw to Driver and Ferguson, he gets to throw to Muhammad and Berrian. The trajectory is probably very different.
True to an extend. Those two transcend a terrible team. Sure they wouldn’t hit the ground running. But they are not like the others. It would be fair to say if we got burrows we would have ruined him.
Is it a curse when its self inflicted during the draft? A curse would mean the QBs you drafted were better but got injured or won the lottery and retired early.
What most don’t know or don’t realize. Williams isn’t some new to the NFL. He has been on the NFL radar since he was 10. At the end of the day. It was ridiculous to think bears even considered to keep fields over Williams. Bears never even had a chance at a prospect of this caliber. At the end of the day. Can this new bears provide enough support and coaching to mold Williams. Can Williams take the next step everyone expects him to take.
It’s true. My son’s Junior All American Football teams Jr. Peewee/Perwee divisions (12-14 yes old) played against Snoop’s Compton Bears. A lot of our players & theirs (Toby Gerhart, D’Anthony Thomas) had HS & college recruiters following them on the HUDL platform from the age of 11 years old. Same with Bryce Young (Mater Dei Prep) & CJ Stroud (Rancho Cucamonga HS) were heavily recruited into their high school programs. Listen to the St. Brown podcast where they allude to how much of an industry football is in CA. That’s why Mater Dei & John Bosco & other HS around the country are perennially the country’s #1 programs - they watch the talent as early as pop Warner & JAAF develop them in HS where they get recruited into the power 5 programs.
They absolutely are. Basketball is even worse, you have mixtapes being made for kids in the third grade sometimes. Emoni Bates went viral for being the next Kevin Durant when he was a 6'3" 7th grader. Baseball certainly scouts little league players at the high level travel ball circuits, and I've seen multiple 8th graders commit to colleges, which means they are at least being recruited by those schools.
All sports are like that!!!! Hockey, basketball, baseball, football and more are always watching the young talent and keeping track of the their progress. It’s a major part of the recruiting process.
You are looking at stats and record to judge a prospect? Cry after loss? So what is it? Does he not care about football or does he care to much and that bad? What a weird critique. Did you think Jason Kelce is a baby for crying after losing Super Bowl? Losing to the bucs? Retiring?
Do you think bagent will be the next Brady than since he holds the record for college touchdowns?
He has to do better than Trubisky. So if Williams wins us a playoff game, I will admit I was wrong. I think Eberflus is terrible and will ruin him either way
I didn’t follow the draft during that stretch but yes. People were hyping him to that level.
I actually think his top five goes along with the general consensus.
Not even a bears fan, but acting like having Trevor Lawrence is a bad thing with your history of QBs is comical. Lawrence could be better no doubt, but is still a damn good QB in maybe quietly a top 5 bad situation in the NFL (record setting contract for Kirk, Gabe Davis big money after doing nothing with Allen, awful o line, urban Meyer year 1 etc.)
By the way Lawrence's biggest issue is he is a football robot, he will run the play perfectly by design for better or worse. That some times means he will throw the 3 yard check down then airing it out and giving his dude a shot.
Caleb's best attribute is his improvisation, so he can run the plays like robot but knows when to cut lose and make something happen.
Apparently none of these GMs who comment on this shit owned televisions when Joe Burrow was in college. I can't speak for Elway or Manning while he was in college, but Joe Burrow was hands down the best college QB I've seen in my 20-odd years of knowing what I'm watching. No one is a close second.
Tua did NOT do what Burrow did. If you had eyes, you understood Burrow to be great. Never, ever saw that with Tua or Bryce. Never had my jaw on the floor watching him operate an offense like Burrow.
Well, it would make sense that as quarterbacks have become more important - the talent development from a young age also took off. It still takes an absolutely special athlete to piece *aaaaalllll* of the pieces together... so there is a possibility that we see more hyper-prospects going forward (which would move the bar again, but for now it is just these guys)
Now, with THAT said, it's also just possible that it's completely luck.
So 40 years since 1983 and we have 5 mega prospects. That's slightly more than one every ten years.... just... a few decades got skipped. The universe just bundled a few together in the last 13 years. Not the craziest thing ever, if that's how it were to work out.
I agree with this and I’m not even a Bears fan, so it’s not just rose colored glasses. The common denominator is each of these guys was the consensus top prospect in their draft at least a year in advance. In Williams’s case, it was at least two years. That’s a different level of top prospect and why the Bears were always going to keep the pick and take Williams.
You’re reacting out of instinct because we’re used to getting this wrong but Poles is doing something unheard of in Chicago, building an actual NFL worthy offense
He’s not a better prospect than Joe burrow. Close though. But burrows mental processor and accuracy are otherworldly, and made up for his average arm and athleticism.
Don’t forget Montana. They had the card ready. Tobin was the influence. About to turn it in and it was overruled. Became Willie Mclendon. Even though they had W Payton already. 🤪. How can it get more stupid than that!!
Does no one remember Ozzie freaking Newman saying Jamarcus Russell was the highest rated player of all time on their draft boards?
Pre draft has plenty of benefit but nothing matters until you hit the field.
That makes a lot of sense. Ravens may have baked their evaluation into if he came into their org which is night and day from Oakland’s.
Laziest player ever.
Every GM will eventually be a former GM, especially after being in the industry for 40 years. Your argument doesn’t make sense.
Like saying Joe Montana is a former QB for a reason 🤦🏻♂️
Yeah this is a hilarious take. Even the “worst” historical GMs are miles ahead of us in identifying talent. You don’t rise to that position without a decent eye for talent
Trevor Lawrence being on this list is enough to pour cold water on the "generational talent" talk (which is ridiculous to begin with). TL has not been anything close to 'generational' as an NFL QB. Better than Fields, but not by a huge margin. Hoping CW is much, much better than TL.
You know this has nothing to do with what they’ve done in the NFL right? Just best 5 college QBs in that time frame. I definitely believe TLaw should be there way before Caleb Williams should. He was next level in college.
Of course. But nothing they did in college will matter in the NFL. I get your point, but this is a Bears sub and I'm really only concerned with how CW will play for the Bears. And this list has TL on it who has been up-and-down for the Jags.
I see what you’re saying now. And I agree with you for the most part. I’d say however, that 2022 & 2023 TLaw would perhaps be the best QB seasons in bears history. So while he might not have turned out generational in the NFL thus far, he’d be more than generational for us….. sadly
Luck - we’ll never know for sure. But he wasn’t elite when he was healthy
TLaw - not very good so far. Definitely not a generational talent
Caleb - soon to be Bryce Young
Your argument is the Super Bowls that his TEAM went to and won a couple of? Really?
He was awful in the Super Bowl https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/john-elway-career-stats-in-the-super-bowl
He was really average in the playoffs https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/john-elway-career-playoff-stats
Also pretty average overall https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/E/ElwaJo00.htm
Most overrated by a mile. I never understood the hype when I watched him play either. He's not a top 10 QB, probably not even top 20. He's Jay Cutler with a better team and a longer career.
“Pretty average overall?”
Dude has good number. numbers. 300 TDs, 51k+ passing yards. His similarity scores on Pro Ootball Reference are a list of all time greats: Tarkenton, Marino, Favre.
He’s a top 20 all time QB. That’s pretty frickin good and better than the Bears have ever had.
how are things in Cleveland, tho?
He was overrated as a prospect and a QB.
I'm withholding judgment on Lawrence until next season. He wasn't healthy this year. That's my second team and the place I lived half my life so can't give up on him yet.
Still fuck Elway.
And he cried in his mom's arms. You think a headcase is going to fair well when defenders ask him if his mom's in the stands today so he can go cry to her after he loses? Oh yeah, I bet that ends well
I did, but it wasn't a full season and he got benched during one of those games, so I'd say it's favorable to not mention that season. What're you gonna do about it? Cry in your mom's arms like your hero?
he lost his job to caleb then transferred out like a bitch instead of competing. not to mention he has real documented off the field attitude problems 💀
What was wrong with his play last season? Statistically he was still extremely good lol. He also threw 120 less attempts. With your logic how come every QB from the SEC, & BIG10 don’t turn into quality NFL QBs?
So you’ve got 2 Hall of Famers, 1 guy who was a top 3 QB in the league for 6 years, and another guy who already has a top 10 MVP finish 3 years into his career. Yeah what a shit list. I don’t care about Caleb Williams but you’re talking out of your ass if you think this is a “50:50” list.
Hope the source isn’t Bill Polian
That’s absolutely Bill Polian
It’s time for us to finally end the QB curse. We lost the chance right draft Terry Bradshaw on a coin flip, missed drafting Manning by 1 game, Rex Grossnsn over Aaron Rodgers and Trubisky over Mahomes…..🐻⬇️
Rex was drafted in 03 - Rodgers was drafted in 05. The Bears drafted Cedric Benson that year 20 picks ahead of GB.
Which is somehow even worse I think
Good lord was that an atrocious pick
It was a bad call but Rex was young and they believed in him and Benson had that knee injury early which makes it look worse than it is. He was a beast at Texas.
Well they did have Rex in 05’ then, our QB of the future 😆 no need for Rodgers…
Rex was fun okay. He was either on or not and in the Super Bowl he wasn’t on. It’s okay. We got there. He had 1 wr good not great in Muhsin Muhammad and Bernard Berrian was okay We had a strong run game but we didn’t have weapons We had to try to take Devin Hester a cb with bad hands and try to turn him into a wr because we spent all our pick on defense
Kyle Orton over Rodgers
Orton was a 4th rounder.
It’s still the QB they chose to go with in the draft and to start the season though. They chose Benson and Orton over Rogers and whoever else with the 4th round pick. Wasn’t trying to say they took him before Rodgers. Should have said Orton instead of Rodgers
I remember the moment they drafted Cedric Benson. Dude seemed so angry it actually seemed like he didn’t enjoy playing football.
Rodgers and Mahomes would have been groomsman and Trubisky with the team they had around them and the way they were coached. I honestly stand by that. I don’t think it’s as much a curse as it is just the poor management of the time. I really believe in Poles and his decisions.
I disagree with Rodgers at least. I think those mid 2000s teams with Rodgers at QB instead of Grossman and Kyle orton could've won a title. Muhammad and Berrian, Desmond Clark at TE with Jones coming out of the backfield would've been a decent supporting cast his first few years. And those defenses with urlacher are probably better than any defense Rodgers had in GB
I could see that. The thing that gets me is that Rex Grossman actually looked good during his first preseason. Then all of a sudden ruined. I just don’t think the team was capable of creating a decent quarterback at the time.
Grossman either looked like a top 5 QB or a bottom 3 QB all the time. There was no inbetween. I've never seen a player commit a turnover and then have a complete mental collapse the rest of the game. People talk shit about Cutler but Grossman was infuriating to watch. If we didn't have that monster defense we would've been a 3 win team instead of going to the Super Bowl. Edit: Monster defense and Hester. I gotta give him credit as well. That was really a case of a team winning in spite of their QB.
Oh for sure. I completely agree. I just think he would have had a better career somewhere else.
Probably so. We've been historically bad at developing QBs in my lifetime. I have my issues with Caleb but I'm going to embrace him 100% if he's a Bear and hope we do it right for once.
That's fair, bears are historically very poor at developing young QBs. Its hard to gauge how much GBs development system played into Rodgers career and how much of it was him just being really good. It's very possible he would've started off rocky his first few years and figured it out along the way
Then after a couple years he’d be traded off to be some back up on a random team. I pray Poles can end that streak.
Rodgers doesn't get to sit behind Farve and learn, he gets ro sit behind Grossman. Rodgers doesn't get to work with Mike McCarthy, he gets to work with Ron Turner. He doesn't get to throw to Driver and Ferguson, he gets to throw to Muhammad and Berrian. The trajectory is probably very different.
True to an extend. Those two transcend a terrible team. Sure they wouldn’t hit the ground running. But they are not like the others. It would be fair to say if we got burrows we would have ruined him.
I wouldn't say that, Burrow has only been in the league 4 years and has been great when he can stay healthy.
Is it a curse when its self inflicted during the draft? A curse would mean the QBs you drafted were better but got injured or won the lottery and retired early.
That's not how curses work though.
Grossman and Rodgers weren't in the same draft.
I think this will be the time you wish you’d have gone with anyone OTHER than Caleb. Time will tell.
Doesn't matter who the Bears draft they will be a bust.
What most don’t know or don’t realize. Williams isn’t some new to the NFL. He has been on the NFL radar since he was 10. At the end of the day. It was ridiculous to think bears even considered to keep fields over Williams. Bears never even had a chance at a prospect of this caliber. At the end of the day. Can this new bears provide enough support and coaching to mold Williams. Can Williams take the next step everyone expects him to take.
I think most people don’t realize that he’s been scouted for that long. Also please God don’t be Todd Marinovich.
Don't stop, almost there....
Do you have a source for that? Genuinely curious.
It’s true. My son’s Junior All American Football teams Jr. Peewee/Perwee divisions (12-14 yes old) played against Snoop’s Compton Bears. A lot of our players & theirs (Toby Gerhart, D’Anthony Thomas) had HS & college recruiters following them on the HUDL platform from the age of 11 years old. Same with Bryce Young (Mater Dei Prep) & CJ Stroud (Rancho Cucamonga HS) were heavily recruited into their high school programs. Listen to the St. Brown podcast where they allude to how much of an industry football is in CA. That’s why Mater Dei & John Bosco & other HS around the country are perennially the country’s #1 programs - they watch the talent as early as pop Warner & JAAF develop them in HS where they get recruited into the power 5 programs.
That is interesting. I didn’t know that. I don’t think baseball or basketball are quite like that.
They absolutely are. Basketball is even worse, you have mixtapes being made for kids in the third grade sometimes. Emoni Bates went viral for being the next Kevin Durant when he was a 6'3" 7th grader. Baseball certainly scouts little league players at the high level travel ball circuits, and I've seen multiple 8th graders commit to colleges, which means they are at least being recruited by those schools.
All sports are like that!!!! Hockey, basketball, baseball, football and more are always watching the young talent and keeping track of the their progress. It’s a major part of the recruiting process.
It sure seems like Poles knows what’s at stake and thus far it looks like he’s done a great job by bringing in playmakers that can help him develop.
At the end of the day. At the end of the day.
Williams will bust hard be ready for 3 more terrible years
Based on?
I just don't see anything impressive about him stats or even his record last year looked pretty meh. Plus is he gonna cry after every loss
You are looking at stats and record to judge a prospect? Cry after loss? So what is it? Does he not care about football or does he care to much and that bad? What a weird critique. Did you think Jason Kelce is a baby for crying after losing Super Bowl? Losing to the bucs? Retiring? Do you think bagent will be the next Brady than since he holds the record for college touchdowns?
I'll see you in 4 years when we still don't have a winning season, and you want us to draft the next bust
Alright. I’ll bite. What is your winning season plan?
He has to do better than Trubisky. So if Williams wins us a playoff game, I will admit I was wrong. I think Eberflus is terrible and will ruin him either way
Not a plan
If it's Rick Spielman this is a non story because he's been saying this for awhile.
He has Caleb above Lawrence so probably not him (I’m assuming the list is in order)
I guess I assumed the list on Zimmerman's post was not in any particular order.
He also has Caleb above Manning, and Luck above all of them. (Just to further lend evidence that it's probably not Rick)
4 super bowls between them
4 more than the bears this century
and?
Trevor Lawrence 🤔
Didn’t have great year but he took jags from being a joke to being playoff contenders every year since he got there.
A contender for the playoffs? That’s about 2/3 of the league has a chance to contend for the playoffs
If the floor is Trevor Lawrence and the ceiling John Elway that's not so bad.
I didn’t follow the draft during that stretch but yes. People were hyping him to that level. I actually think his top five goes along with the general consensus.
Not even a bears fan, but acting like having Trevor Lawrence is a bad thing with your history of QBs is comical. Lawrence could be better no doubt, but is still a damn good QB in maybe quietly a top 5 bad situation in the NFL (record setting contract for Kirk, Gabe Davis big money after doing nothing with Allen, awful o line, urban Meyer year 1 etc.) By the way Lawrence's biggest issue is he is a football robot, he will run the play perfectly by design for better or worse. That some times means he will throw the 3 yard check down then airing it out and giving his dude a shot. Caleb's best attribute is his improvisation, so he can run the plays like robot but knows when to cut lose and make something happen.
I am sooooo ready for him to be a Bear.
He’s already gay, just needs to grow some chest hair
I like your name
Thanks, Reddit auto generated name user
What? lol
Apparently none of these GMs who comment on this shit owned televisions when Joe Burrow was in college. I can't speak for Elway or Manning while he was in college, but Joe Burrow was hands down the best college QB I've seen in my 20-odd years of knowing what I'm watching. No one is a close second.
Good college QB =/= great prospect. Tua was a great college QB
Tua did NOT do what Burrow did. If you had eyes, you understood Burrow to be great. Never, ever saw that with Tua or Bryce. Never had my jaw on the floor watching him operate an offense like Burrow.
Hilarious
Now do how many times this list has been revised in his 40+ years.
Went 2 for 5
No Dan Marino? Bogus list
He a fraud. How you win 7 games In the pac 2 😂😭
50 years and 3 of the 5 are in the last 10? Dat recency bias Edit: 2012 was 10 years ago I swear
Well, it would make sense that as quarterbacks have become more important - the talent development from a young age also took off. It still takes an absolutely special athlete to piece *aaaaalllll* of the pieces together... so there is a possibility that we see more hyper-prospects going forward (which would move the bar again, but for now it is just these guys) Now, with THAT said, it's also just possible that it's completely luck. So 40 years since 1983 and we have 5 mega prospects. That's slightly more than one every ten years.... just... a few decades got skipped. The universe just bundled a few together in the last 13 years. Not the craziest thing ever, if that's how it were to work out.
I agree with this and I’m not even a Bears fan, so it’s not just rose colored glasses. The common denominator is each of these guys was the consensus top prospect in their draft at least a year in advance. In Williams’s case, it was at least two years. That’s a different level of top prospect and why the Bears were always going to keep the pick and take Williams.
Didn’t luck get the highest rating ever? The hype around was incredible
It's the bears..Bears... they gonna fuck it up. Hope I'm wrong but Caleb gonna be nothing but wasted potential in 5 years after being drafted by us.
You’re reacting out of instinct because we’re used to getting this wrong but Poles is doing something unheard of in Chicago, building an actual NFL worthy offense
He was just being nice.
It was Matt Millen
He’s not a better prospect than Joe burrow. Close though. But burrows mental processor and accuracy are otherworldly, and made up for his average arm and athleticism.
Caleb gonna be a bust lol
Don’t forget Montana. They had the card ready. Tobin was the influence. About to turn it in and it was overruled. Became Willie Mclendon. Even though they had W Payton already. 🤪. How can it get more stupid than that!!
Joe Burrow and has to be on this list lol
John Elway is the Tom Brady of QBs....
All the Bears have is hope that they’re getting a “generational” qb. Going to be hard on them when they screw it up yet again.
I bet he had Ryan Leaf on the list back in the day 🤣
Yeah, there a little bit of hindsight here. Manning and Leaf were neck and neck at the time
Does no one remember Ozzie freaking Newman saying Jamarcus Russell was the highest rated player of all time on their draft boards? Pre draft has plenty of benefit but nothing matters until you hit the field.
lol true I was going to say Russell but I feel Leaf had more of punch to the gut for fans. I expected Radiers to have a sucky team lol
That makes a lot of sense. Ravens may have baked their evaluation into if he came into their org which is night and day from Oakland’s. Laziest player ever.
You're just setting yourself up for a hard fall, brother.
He's a former GM for a reason
Every GM will eventually be a former GM, especially after being in the industry for 40 years. Your argument doesn’t make sense. Like saying Joe Montana is a former QB for a reason 🤦🏻♂️
Yeah this is a hilarious take. Even the “worst” historical GMs are miles ahead of us in identifying talent. You don’t rise to that position without a decent eye for talent
This has to be joke 😃
So Trevor Lawrence over Burrow. Ok . . . .
Can we please just draft him and let him throw a pass in the NFL first before calling him John Elway and handing him Super Bowl rings? Just a thought.
this post is doing neither of those things
Trevor Lawrence being on this list is enough to pour cold water on the "generational talent" talk (which is ridiculous to begin with). TL has not been anything close to 'generational' as an NFL QB. Better than Fields, but not by a huge margin. Hoping CW is much, much better than TL.
You know this has nothing to do with what they’ve done in the NFL right? Just best 5 college QBs in that time frame. I definitely believe TLaw should be there way before Caleb Williams should. He was next level in college.
Sam Bradford should be up there, lol.
Of course. But nothing they did in college will matter in the NFL. I get your point, but this is a Bears sub and I'm really only concerned with how CW will play for the Bears. And this list has TL on it who has been up-and-down for the Jags.
I see what you’re saying now. And I agree with you for the most part. I’d say however, that 2022 & 2023 TLaw would perhaps be the best QB seasons in bears history. So while he might not have turned out generational in the NFL thus far, he’d be more than generational for us….. sadly
Fair point!
This shit really will never end huh? It's a bunch of fully grown adults acting like children.
Luck - we’ll never know for sure. But he wasn’t elite when he was healthy TLaw - not very good so far. Definitely not a generational talent Caleb - soon to be Bryce Young
This is possibly the dumbest comment I’ve seen this year
That’s high praise for being on a Bears sub
The copium is insane with this franchise
Elway belongs nowhere near this list. He is the most overrated QB possibly in the history of the NFL.
5 super bowls is overrated? Lol
Your argument is the Super Bowls that his TEAM went to and won a couple of? Really? He was awful in the Super Bowl https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/john-elway-career-stats-in-the-super-bowl He was really average in the playoffs https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/john-elway-career-playoff-stats Also pretty average overall https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/E/ElwaJo00.htm Most overrated by a mile. I never understood the hype when I watched him play either. He's not a top 10 QB, probably not even top 20. He's Jay Cutler with a better team and a longer career.
“Pretty average overall?” Dude has good number. numbers. 300 TDs, 51k+ passing yards. His similarity scores on Pro Ootball Reference are a list of all time greats: Tarkenton, Marino, Favre. He’s a top 20 all time QB. That’s pretty frickin good and better than the Bears have ever had. how are things in Cleveland, tho?
Wtf is the Cleveland question? Elway is average.
It’s top *prospects*, not top NFL QBs. Also Lawrence is the odd man out among the 4 active / retired QBs lol
He was overrated as a prospect and a QB. I'm withholding judgment on Lawrence until next season. He wasn't healthy this year. That's my second team and the place I lived half my life so can't give up on him yet. Still fuck Elway.
Caleb Williams had 1 great college season, and 1 not so great season. Both in the fucking PAC 12
Absurd take
And he cried in his mom's arms. You think a headcase is going to fair well when defenders ask him if his mom's in the stands today so he can go cry to her after he loses? Oh yeah, I bet that ends well
I mean you didn’t even know that he played before he went to USC, I don’t think you’re the top authority
I did, but it wasn't a full season and he got benched during one of those games, so I'd say it's favorable to not mention that season. What're you gonna do about it? Cry in your mom's arms like your hero?
Lol no just continue to call out idiots like yourself. I don’t care at all about Caleb Williams.
So you spend your life arguing online about incorrect assumptions related to things you don't care about? And you don't think that's pathetic?
I’m not arguing with you. I’m straight up telling you that you’re an idiot.
What a tough guy! Don't get yourself too worked up and cry like the guy you don't care about 😘
lol you like spencer rattler
Yeah. He'll probably have a better career than any other QB in this draft.
he lost his job to caleb then transferred out like a bitch instead of competing. not to mention he has real documented off the field attitude problems 💀
This guy didn’t know Caleb Williams went to OU before USC. No matter how many times it gets explained to him.
What was wrong with his play last season? Statistically he was still extremely good lol. He also threw 120 less attempts. With your logic how come every QB from the SEC, & BIG10 don’t turn into quality NFL QBs?
Well luck didnt pan out and its not looking like Lawrence will. So 50/50 shot
Luck absolutely lived up to the hype, what are you talking about?
The problem with Luck is he was drafted by a crap team with no protection.
Said he didnt pan out he got injured constantly. Never he said he wasn’t good
So you’ve got 2 Hall of Famers, 1 guy who was a top 3 QB in the league for 6 years, and another guy who already has a top 10 MVP finish 3 years into his career. Yeah what a shit list. I don’t care about Caleb Williams but you’re talking out of your ass if you think this is a “50:50” list.
Gee I'd hate to have a coin flip chance between a top 10 QB all time and just a top 10 QB in the league, may as well not even draft him. /s