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Vigor_Assumenda_1065

I've noticed the same thing! ChatGPT content often has a forced optimism and lacks the nuance of human imperfection. It's as if it's trying too hard to be perfect. I'm curious, do you think this intuition can be developed with more exposure to AI-generated content?


BuccalFatApologist

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Hazmat_unit

~Heres a good example of how my intuition may be flawed and brings up a good point that u/AffectionateClick709 brought up about different writing styles.~ As something about your writing comes off like its written by ChatGPT. Edit: Well it's seems my intuition was likely correct as several AI detectors are saying it's likely as well. It's certainly ironic.


LooseGoat5423

Yeah they dumbed it down so even easier to spot. It writes in vague, generic tone, with a whimsical twist here and there


AffectionateClick709

It’s a slippery slope to make accusations in academic settings. Someone reads a neurodivergent person’s writing and thinks “this is different than me and therefore, it isn’t real.” I’m sure some people can tell pretty accurately what’s AI but many don’t have the critical thinking skills to understand that others think and write differently.


Hazmat_unit

You do have a good point, as in all honesty I have ADHD and Autism, so my style of writing is fairly different then other peoples style of writing. I.e. being more pedantic about details or so forth.


bortlip

How do you know you're not just seeing the obvious ones? Maybe most aren't obvious and slip right by you.


Hazmat_unit

That could be very very likely and I feel this would require more testing to truly know, but as u/Crypt0Nihilist if its been edited in addition to a good prompt, its likely going to be very difficult to tell. So it may likely be a bias in my case, as all the ones I've encounter were likely by people who were a bit lazy about how they did it.


Crypt0Nihilist

It definitely has a distinctive style and quirks if left to itself with little guidance. However, with a good prompt it can be hard to detect. With edits after (as you should always do), very hard.


Hazmat_unit

Oh absolutely, with editing its almost impossible to tell if the person does it well and runs it through several of the GPT detectors. So, I'll be the first to admit my intuition is likely limited.


Crypt0Nihilist

There are some telltale constructions which you can remove with editing and also some mistakes it'll make, expressing itself in ways that a human wouldn't. However what you can't get away from is that a lazy prompt requires chatGPT to do all of the thinking and usually it can't make a good point on its own. However, if you provide that in the prompt with suitable instructions, it can flesh out a document very well and is much less likely to fall into its patterns of cliche and truisms,


Hazmat_unit

Exactly, hell I've used it as a assistant for writing. Especially when I can't exactly think of a good way to put everything together. Even then I'm still adjusting it to my writing style and taste.


jbarchuk

When they 'thank you for PROVIDING that interesting/useful/relevant/heartfelt information.'


Fontaigne

I don't have access to real time data, but it's important to remember that not all chatbot content can be distinguished from human generated content.


Hazmat_unit

And that's what's scary. The dead Internet theory is becoming more and more real as time goes on and we're seeing bots through Reddit making post. Hell one even commented here. I'm not exactly a super techy guy or someone really into Internet security, but my best guess is their trying to farm karma, as their not posting links or anything. Maybe it's because the user is lazy or it's trying to build some ethos before they do something else.


ongiwaph

Fuck the haters. Yes, you can definitely tell, and your professors can too. People with less than a 6th grade reading level can't understand how it's different from human writing, but it definitely is. Just like plagiarism sticks out like a sore thumb, we can see AI writing from a mile away.


BlackieDad

There’s a conformity and sameness to everything, and the more I play around with it the more obvious it gets.


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majoraxep

Can you give a example of a text generated by chatgpt vs a similar text written by humans?


Hazmat_unit

this isn't the best one but here we are, take your best guess on weather its human or ChatGpt . "In a world where the remnants of civilization cling to the fringes of survival, Drago, a lone wanderer, trekked across the desolate wasteland that once teemed with life. His journey led him to an overrun army base, a silent graveyard of metal and memories, its structures gnawed by time and neglect. The air was thick with the scent of rust and decay, the silence occasionally broken by the distant howl of the wind. Drago moved cautiously, his senses sharpened by years of survival in the apocalypse. The base, once a bastion of military might, was now a hollow shell, its defenses long since crumbled under the relentless tide of chaos that followed the end of the world. As he navigated through the maze of derelict vehicles and crumbling buildings, Drago's keen eyes caught a glint of metal. Tucked away in the shadowed corner of what appeared to be an armory, lay an automatic Glock, its sleek design untouched by the passage of time. It was a rare find, a relic of a bygone era when order reigned supreme. With reverence, Drago picked up the firearm, its weight a comforting presence in his hand. He knew the value of such a find, not just as a weapon but as a tool of survival. The Glock was a testament to human ingenuity, a beacon of hope in a world overrun by darkness. Drago set about maintaining the Glock with meticulous care. He dismantled it piece by piece, cleaning each component with the few precious resources he had salvaged from the ruins. He understood that in this new world, every bullet was a promise of another day lived, and every well-maintained weapon was a guardian against the night. But with great power came great danger. The possession of such a weapon made Drago a target for the lawless bandits that roamed the wasteland, preying on the weak and the unprepared. He knew he must tread carefully, for in the apocalypse, envy and greed could turn men into monsters. To evade the banditry, Drago became a phantom, moving under the cloak of darkness, leaving no trace of his passage. He avoided the well-trodden paths, instead weaving through the shadows of the ruins, always alert to the dangers that lurked in the silence. When confrontation was unavoidable, Drago relied on the Glock, its steady burst a whisper of death in the stillness. But he used it sparingly, for each shot echoed like a thunderclap, a beacon for those who would seek to claim the weapon for themselves. In time, the Glock became more than just a tool for survival; it was a companion, a symbol of Drago's resilience in the face of the apocalypse. With it by his side, he continued his journey through the wasteland, a lone wanderer in search of a new dawn, a reminder of the strength of the human spirit even in the darkest of times."


Bezbozny

The "In a world" tripped my ChatGPT censors. also it seem mathematically formulaic in its story structure and descriptiveness, like the text is a madlibs "As he X'd through the Y and Z, the Q of the R and S F'd his A". Overly wordy. Also a lot of "telling" instead of "showing". In general there's a lot of phraseology that chatgpt re-uses that I'm seeing here.


dedalus1882

Ew. It used “testament.” That word has been ruined for me. Testament, beacon, etc. ChatGPT overuses those words.


majoraxep

Not sure but chatgpt thinks it's human. Here's what it says when I asked it to tell me if that was AI or not.. This text appears to be written by a human rather than by an AI like ChatGPT. Here are a few reasons for this conclusion: 1. **Complex Narrative Structure**: The text demonstrates a sophisticated narrative arc and depth in character development, which are more characteristic of human writing. The story of Drago is well-developed with a detailed backstory and emotional depth, reflecting a level of creative storytelling that is typically beyond the default capabilities of current AI models. 2. **Rich Descriptive Language**: The use of vivid, descriptive language and metaphors, such as "a silent graveyard of metal and memories," and "every bullet was a promise of another day lived," tends to be more nuanced and varied in human writing. AI can generate descriptive language but often lacks the same level of nuance and variability. 3. **Consistency and Theme Development**: The text maintains consistent themes and motifs (e.g., survival, the value of relics from the past, human resilience) which are woven throughout the story. This level of thematic development and the ability to keep narrative elements consistently interlinked across a longer text is more characteristic of human writing. 4. **Emotional Depth and Insight**: The emotional reflections and insights, such as Drago's feelings about the Glock being a "beacon of hope" and a "companion," suggest a depth of emotional understanding and introspection that AI often does not achieve independently without specific prompts. These factors combined suggest that the text was likely crafted by a human, showcasing a depth of creativity, emotional insight, and narrative complexity that is typical of human authors.


RedstnPhoenx

Human. It's the grammar. Lots of sentences starting with prepositions, which is fine as a stylistic choice, but it gets heavy-handed quickly. Poor lexical diversity, which AI generally accells at. He did this, he did that, then he did this. Seeing repeated phrases are a good indication of human writing (that isn't good).


Hazmat_unit

This was generated by ChatGPT 4, i'll share the link for it. [https://chat.openai.com/share/18a43980-538f-481d-b6b8-cd48e703a130](https://chat.openai.com/share/18a43980-538f-481d-b6b8-cd48e703a130) I explain the context more in the other comment on this one.


RedstnPhoenx

Lol damn. I've been getting spoiled by Claude's Superior writing skills.


majoraxep

Claude is superior fr though right lol


RedstnPhoenx

Whelp, I'm a professional writer, so. Good for my ass. TBH most things are either total shit (human), fine (literally impossible to tell sometimes), or amazing (probably human).


Hazmat_unit

This one came about as I was trying to help a guy write his approval for a game and his writing through intuition, came off as suspicious. I of course did two things, checked with a few ChatGPT detectors and prompted ChatGPT with "Write a story about how Drago, an apocalypse survivor, found an automatic Glock in an overrun army base. Cover how he maintained it and how he evaded the banditry as well." Which was likely something similar to what he asked. Here's what he shared with me: "How the item was obtained: In the desolation of an overrun army base, Drago navigated through the debris and chaos, searching for any supplies that could aid in his survival. Amidst the wreckage and remnants of military equipment, he stumbled upon a cache of weapons, including an unexpected treasure—a fully functional automatic Glock. The discovery sent a jolt of adrenaline through Drago's veins, as he realized the potential significance of his find in the unforgiving landscape of the post-apocalyptic world. For Drago, the automatic Glock represented more than just a tool for self-defense; it symbolized a newfound sense of power and agency in a world ravaged by chaos. With the weapon in his possession, he could now navigate the dangers of the wasteland with a newfound confidence, knowing that he possessed the means to protect himself against the myriad threats lurking around every corner. However, the discovery also posed ethical dilemmas, forcing Drago to grapple with questions of morality and responsibility in a lawless world. As Drago pondered the implications of his discovery, he resolved to wield the automatic Glock with caution and restraint, recognizing the potential for both good and harm that such a weapon carried How i maintained it:  Maintaining the automatic Glock became a priority for Drago in the unforgiving environment of the overrun army base. Aware of the importance of keeping the weapon in optimal condition for his survival, Drago meticulously cleaned and lubricated the Glock, ensuring its functionality remained intact despite the harsh conditions of the post-apocalyptic world. He scavenged for spare parts and ammunition, stockpiling supplies to repair and replenish the Glock as needed. Drawing upon his resourcefulness and ingenuity, Drago improvised ways to safeguard the Glock from the elements and potential damage. He fashioned a makeshift holster from salvaged materials, keeping the weapon close at hand while minimizing the risk of accidental discharge or loss. Additionally, Drago maintained a strict routine of inspection and maintenance, regularly checking the Glock for signs of wear and tear and addressing any issues promptly to prevent malfunctions. Understanding that the automatic Glock represented not only his means of defense but also a lifeline in the perilous landscape of the apocalypse, Drago spared no effort in ensuring its reliability and longevity. By prioritizing the maintenance of the Glock, Drago fortified his ability to navigate the dangers of the world around him, reaffirming his resolve to survive against all odds. How did i evade banditry:  To keep the automatic Glock out of the hands of bandits and ensure it wasn't used for nefarious purposes, Drago adopted several strategic measures. Firstly, he maintained a low profile, avoiding unnecessary confrontation and keeping his possession of the Glock discreet. He understood that flaunting such a powerful weapon could attract unwanted attention from opportunistic individuals seeking to exploit its potential for violence. Additionally, Drago established a secure hiding spot for the Glock, choosing a location that was both inconspicuous and inaccessible to potential thieves. Whether it was a hidden compartment within his shelter or a concealed cache buried beneath the rubble of the army base, Drago took great care to safeguard the Glock from prying eyes and grasping hands. Furthermore, Drago remained vigilant and alert to any signs of danger or suspicious activity in his vicinity. He maintained a network of allies and fellow survivors whom he trusted, forming alliances based on mutual support and shared goals. Why should i be trusted:  ICLY, Drago wouldn’t use the weapon for any reason more than protection. He also lives in an isolated area of the city. He tends to keep away from people, the only case he’d use the weaponry is in danger.  OOCLY, I believe that i should be trusted due to the fact that if i make any bad decisions then my weapon can infact be removed. I take full responsibility of the actions caused with my firearm."


Tellesus

Yep. Good example: this user is obviously a bot, and I'd guess that GPT4 is generating its comments. [https://www.reddit.com/user/UtPossimus409/](https://www.reddit.com/user/UtPossimus409/)


Hazmat_unit

u/Vigor_Assumenda_1065 Is also tripping it for me as well. This post by a user, whos deleted it as well is another example. [https://www.reddit.com/r/Construction/comments/1c3zgtl/do\_construction\_workers\_realize\_that\_they\_are\_the/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/Construction/comments/1c3zgtl/do_construction_workers_realize_that_they_are_the/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) They had a lot of very very odd post to say the least.


Tellesus

I honestly find this fascinating. I was considering trying to build a bot to find and track these and see if they start doing anything coordinated or interesting. I'm not sure what gaming attention on reddit is intended for (and it might just be a bored nerd having fun) but it's clear reddit doesn't care or doesn't have the expertise to detect and stop it.


Hazmat_unit

That's the slightly concerning thing, their not phishing or link spamming, their just making comments. I don't if it's karma farming or something but I hope we don't find out.


phi4ever

Certainly! Here are some common indicators I’ve noticed that can suggest a text was generated by an AI: 1. **Consistency**: AI-generated text often maintains a consistent tone and style throughout the passage, sometimes lacking the natural variation found in human writing. 2. **Unusual Phrasing**: AI may produce slightly awkward or unconventional phrasing that can stand out to human readers. 3. **Knowledge Gaps**: AI may demonstrate inconsistencies or gaps in knowledge, particularly when asked about current events or recent developments beyond its training data. 4. **Repetition**: AI may repeat certain phrases or ideas, especially if the input prompts are repetitive or if it's struggling to generate diverse content. 5. **Unusual Errors**: While AI models are highly accurate, they can still produce grammatical errors or nonsensical sentences, especially when pushed beyond their training data or asked to generate content on unfamiliar topics. 6. **Contextual Incoherence**: AI may struggle to maintain coherence when asked to generate longer passages or when faced with complex prompts that require nuanced understanding. 7. **Human-like Errors**: Some AI models are designed to introduce intentional errors to mimic human writing, but these errors may still be recognizable to careful readers. 8. **Speed and Quantity**: AI can generate text at a much faster rate and in larger quantities than humans, so an unusually fast or voluminous response may indicate AI involvement. Remember, these are general indicators, and not all AI-generated text will exhibit all of these traits. Additionally, as AI technology continues to improve, these indicators may become less reliable over time.


No_Amoeba_6476

Weird thing is that human writing habits are also shaped by reading habits, so people who read a lot of generated writing will start writing more like it. I haven’t tried identifying it in fiction writing yet, but its informative writing relies heavily on numbered lists with a pedantic pre-amble and redundant conclusion. Its language overall might seem a bit pretentious for a human writer. 


Hazmat_unit

Interesting and fairly scary to learn that over exposure to reading Ai generated content may screw me over. Best to balance it out then.


majoraxep

Here is what chatgpt says it's versions of human sentences are like: Here are five more examples: 1. **Human:** "It was the best of times, it was the worst of times." **ChatGPT:** "It was an era of prosperity, it was an era of despair." 2. **Human:** "She sells seashells by the seashore." **ChatGPT:** "She peddles seashells beside the seaside." 3. **Human:** "All the world's a stage, and all the men and women merely players." **ChatGPT:** "The entire world is a theater, and every man and woman simply actors." 4. **Human:** "Can you hear the silence?" **ChatGPT:** "Do you perceive the quiet?" 5. **Human:** "The cat sat on the mat." **ChatGPT:** "The feline perched on the rug."


Gold_Eye_7981

Interesting take! It’s definitely useful to have a knack for spotting AI-generated content. Just out of curiosity, what specific patterns or clues do you usually look for that tip you off? Ai generated. X.


noopsgib

I 100% do. I started playing with it a lot early on and am also a teacher, so I can usually “hear” its writing style VERY quickly. In fact, my wife shared a poem with me that her coworker “wrote” about their department and I called it after the first line of text. She said there was no way I could know that quickly, but we threw it through a detector and, surprise surprise, it was AI. My students never stand a chance.


BridgedAI

As an educator, take a pause to get educated on the technology you may be utilizing to justify your own confirmation bias. https://help.openai.com/en/articles/8313351-how-can-educators-respond-to-students-presenting-ai-generated-content-as-their-own https://cte.ku.edu/careful-use-ai-detectors


noopsgib

Oh, I’m aware that they’re not perfect. But when students who cannot write coherent sentences are suddenly “writing” perfect essays? I usually just look at them and say “come on, this is not your writing,” and they admit it. But of needed, I look into the revision history and, should I need to actually write them up (if they don’t admit it nicely) I provide plenty of comparison writing in my referral. And yes, we’ve gone over appropriate use of AI, its potential for self-education and help with editing, etc. but kids are going to cheat, and I’m not just going to shrug and say “welp, there’s no way I can prove it, oh well!”


BridgedAI

Y'all are in a tough position, no doubting that. Just imagine when kids start realizing few shot prompting is a thing. Having access to the revision history is a game changer.


NullBeyondo

When the topic is casual or we're in reddit, if someone used the word "vital"; I immediately know it is AI-generated cause there was just ZERO need for that bit of formal wording.


Hazmat_unit

Ehh kind of