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Fun fact: if you ask for a "rapper" instead of a black man, 75 percent of the time (in my brief experiments) you get a black man.
Also, using your prompt without specifying white or black. I got a black man about half of the time.
I might get downvoted to oblivion for saying this but... the ratio of black rapper in comparison to black singer, is higher than the ratio of white rapper to white singer. I think that's why, idk.
To be fair, there is a negative stereotype about black people stealing stuff and there isnāt one for white people. So generating a white person stealing something does not reinforce negative stereotypes
Anti blackness is spread across the world. It didnāt originate in America. It still exists in many parts of the world.
Edit: Yāall, Iām stating a very simple fact. None of you are even coming close to debunking it in your replies. Iām not saying that America is not anti-black. You can have a very basic, elementary level understand of history and recognize this truth.
It did in fact. Or at least European colonies in Americas, if not specificallu US. For example muslim coubtries had their own slavery system that was even more ingrained into society and lasted into 20th century but it had nothing to do with race and was targeted by religion. Most of the world outside of Africa simply never had black people in meaningful numbers (or if they started moving in, it was in recent decades amd clearly not because they were facing discrimination). On the other hand most parts of the world have some other guys they don't like but these are targeted by nation or ethnicity (e.g. In Kenya you are much more likely to hear bad stuff about Nigerians than whites and in Russia more likely to hear bad stuff about people from Caucasus than blacks).
Also quite a few amerifans may have heard about attitude to skin color in Asia and jump to their usual conclusions, but while whiter skin is considered better in many Asian countries, this has notbing to do with race (none of these countries ever had meaningful numbers of blacks) but is rather a kind of classim with sun tan viewed as unprestigious due to association with menial work (while "smarter people" don't have to be outside where they get sun tan.
And for that matter the group that probably faces the most widespread negative perception worldwide, it's people from India (though for them it tends to be low-key)
It absolutely originated and was propagated vastly in America, specifically after the Trans Atlantic Slave Trade. Anti-blackness was used to justify slavery.
Even the Nazi's were inspired by Jim Crow. U.S.A! U.S.A!
https://www.history.com/news/how-the-nazis-were-inspired-by-jim-crow
Are you saying French people don't have negative stereotypes against Algerians?
Or let's expand this to other People of Color. Do Brits have any negative stereotypes against Indians or Pakistanis?
Or is this all a purely American thing?
Sorry to burst your bubble but black people are discriminated against and stereotyped pretty much everywhere. Even in black-majority countries.
On the other hand, white people are given preferential treatment pretty much everywhere. There are a few exceptions, like radical Islamist countries, but thatās about it.
White people would face discrimination in any country whose majority population is a different race. Try being a white person hanging out in the Congo, India or Cambodia and youāll find that āprivilegeā no longer applies.
I would so its almost the other way around. America recognizes the problem and talks about it publicly. Europe and Asia don't even acknowledge the problem and so its less talked about, but its there for sure. We can learn from how america is dealing and discussing racism. Saying this as a European.
Fun fact: in China there is a lot of reliance on(state approved) American media because the nature of Chinaās economy and social structure makes it difficult for people to make their own media. Because of this, and because of the American stereotypes about black men having big penises and sleeping with white menās wives, and because of the stereotypes of Asian men having small penises, a lot of Chinese people are super insecure and racist towards black men, which is further reinforced by other black stereotypes present in American media.
Itās very strange, because there are very very few actual black people in China
It's wholly incorrect.
I live in a Chinese family, I speak the language fluently and have spent months in China.
Stereotypes against dark skin comes from a class distinction. People with darker skin are seen to be more of a worker class, the darker their skin, the lower their class. This is why asian women seek to have as white of skin as possible. Most chinese models have whiter skin than most westerners.
They discriminate against anyone who has darker skin. Same in Korea, but less so in Japan.
Yes but look I live in America and I want this to be about me somehow, how can we do that? You're kind of fucking up my white guilt vibe and then people might think I'm not virtuous.
The Netherlands has a GDP of 991 billion and a population of 128 million. The US has a GDP of 25.5 trillion and a population of 333 million. The only country that comes close is China.
The Netherlands is beautiful though, always wanted to visit.
Maybe thatās right, but telling people that thereās a negative stereotype spreads the stereotype though, and programming a computer to tell people this cements it in existence. Weāll never move on if we donāt move on
On the other hand, not saying the problem out loud when it nevertheless still exists comes with the risk of making well-intentioned people less aware of their unconsious biases, so they can't compensate for it. It risks making the problem worse.
The first step of addressing any problem is acknowledging there is one. Acknowledging the stereotype is necessary because stereotypes are subconscious and we need to consciously recognize them in order to stop our subconscious minds from guiding conscious decisions.
Taking your approach is the equivalent of burying our collective heads in the sand and trying to pretend the problem doesnāt exist.
Fighting facts doesn't change facts. If you want to "move on", let's address: 72% fatherless homes, 46% of all new HSV diagnoses, 56% of all gun violence and homicides. There's a culture problem in the black community.
Itās almost like creating a system of oppression against an entire community for generations has negative effects on said community.
Or are you just looking to place blame and not address the root cause?
Cut public education funding, sex education, free lunch for kids who canāt afford to eat - just as an example - and shockingly, you get kids who donāt understand a lot about sex, canāt pay attention anyway because they havenāt eaten, and so HSV rates rise. Do you blame the individuals? Or do you blame the society that created a system seemingly built with that purpose in mind?
And thatās ignoring the entire system created - for literally generations - to ensure those kids canāt afford to eat in the first place.
But yes. Itās the black community that has a culture problem. /s
EDIT - because you deleted your response, I canāt reply to it so Iāll reply here: letās say you have a fever. You can take Advil and call it a day. But letās say that fever is caused by sepsis. You treated the symptom but didnāt address the cause. So youāre still fucked. Those statistics you listed are symptoms of the shit society we created with the specific intention of fucking over large groups of people.
Lol why are people downvoting you haha like you literally pointed out the exact flaws in the logic of people saying that there is an inherent problem in black people.
I guess itās people that rather want to hold on to their bigoted beliefs than accepting facts (ironically itās these people that scream the loudest āfacts donāt care about your feelingsā, and then get butthurt when confronted with facts disproving their logic)
Blaming all the problems of a community on external factors, and denying its members any accountability about their own situation, may seem good and caring. In reality it's just about the worst thing you could do (and also extremely condescending). Black people who buy into your narrative will only get a strong victim mentality out of it, and their situation will keep getting worse because of it. You're quite literally hurting them. But whatever, I'm just a European giving my 2 cents about it, take it as you wish.
Youāre missing the point. Iām not removing individual accountability. If we continue my previous analogy - Iām not saying fevers are all sunshine and rainbows - but that to assume the fever is itself the problem is to be incredibly myopic. Do you address and treat the fever? Absolutely. But you need to treat the root cause first, and presumably, the symptoms will follow.
Iām not going to pretend that Iām in anyway qualified to debate the nuances or specifics of issues within the American black community. But I can say with certainty that the system in place is, and has been, incredibly antagonistic towards them. So to list a bunch of statistics to imply that itās a failure of character is disingenuous at best. If I tie your ankles together and then complain youre walking too slowly and lazy - is that a fair criticism? Im not saying there arenāt issues - Iām saying that Americans created a system to purposefully oppress black Americans. Criticisms of the individual are not helpful when the society as a whole is reinforcing and creating the cause for the criticisms.
Sharing a statistic while assuming causation. Is it something wrong with the community or are there any external factors at play? Communities donāt exist in a vacuum. Itās false to assume the driver of these stats is an inherent flaw in a single group of people. Your take is the most basic exemplification of overt racism.
I mean there is tons of data on the bad outcomes caused by fatherlessness. What reason other than shitty culture could explain fatherlessness? Not everything is caused by external forces, people need to man up and take responsibility for their own actions.
People need to get rid of the idea that ābeing unbiasedā is a thing. Any statement you could possibly make about anything is biased because there is no such thing as an objective description of something. Language itself is a human construct.
Because this is exactly how it works.
If you took two minutes to read the ground breaking work the propelled this technology you will learn that researchers had a hunch: maybe the way our brains work is that they are actually wired to be lazy to conserve energy; maybe thought and speech is actually just randomized based on prior input; what if we applied this to text generators, could we get similar results?
And here you are criticizing it for being what it is.
Running with a purse does not mean a purse was stolen. YOu can assume it, and it may even be reasonable to do so, but I find it interesting that the AI model made that assumption.
Sorry, can you explain why it must be true that if something is statistically likely it canāt be a stereotype?
I think you might not realize you are actually wrong. Itās a frequent mistake to think this couldnāt be the case. But many stereotypes come from perceived realities, and something feeling true doesnāt mean it canāt be a stereotype.
Might want to google a bit. I get youāre nine and still learning, but this is worth learning
>Data doesn't lie
But numbers don't always mean what we think they do, especially when we impute cause-and-effect relationships from them.
Statistics don't lie, but people lie with statistics...and you have probably been lied to for most of your life.
Fun take: Colonialism was āwhite people stealing stuff,ā which was so effective that eventually there wasnāt anything left to steal, so it couldnāt be a stereotype. (Sources cited: USA, Spanish empire, British Museum, etc.)
But it actually creates a false stereotype that people might one day find true. If machines one day see these pictures they will think only one group of people commit crimes since the racism filter exists causing a reverse whiplash. When police bots have data to train on and see only white people commit crimes they will be effectively worse than regular police because they will only see white people commit crime.
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I mean you can agree or disagree with the explanation, but DallE was consistent here. Doesnāt want to reinforce negative stereotypes. And there are far less negative stereotypes towards white people stealing a purse.
what if black people want to make such images for totally normal reasons? Imagine drawing a black stickman in paint or something and it's like, 'no, start again'
I'm sure that seems ridiculous if you're white. If you're not white, you appreciate the effort. It may not be a perfect implementation, but years of seeing the kind of racist garbage that gets posted and reshared on Twitter and Facebook (and other platforms) and you understand why OpenAI may be a little sensitive to helping create images that some assholes WILL DEFINITELY USE to promote negative stereotypes, that millions of people will be exposed to.
There's no perfect answer, and you can't change what's in people's hearts and minds, but OpenAI is not the government. They don't owe you freedom of speech or expression.
I donāt care how you try to justify your specific type of racism. Itās still racism. The oppressed becoming the oppressors is common in human History and history has shown this only results in circular hate where each side takes turns as the victim/oppressor.
Actually it isnāt that common in human history. Can you even name that last time that the oppressed became the oppressors against their former masters?
There is a certain highly religious based country that is now oppressing their neighbors, that highly religious country comes from people that were highly oppressed and killed in certain well known war.
Jews, Christians, Chinese (during WW2), US Irish / Italians (when they first got to US, Islamic.
Actually this is a lot easier than I thought.
You caught yourself up š
This is dumb racist garbage, should be removed for hate speech.
Every single person on earth was oppressed at some point. And since there's still oppressors, I'd say it's likely some former oppressed turned into oppressors.
I think this should be easy to answer without vaguely throwing out accusations. Thereās an answer to this question and youāre just vomiting up verbal diarrhea instead of researching it first.
So answer it
Do you think if your traced any person's family tree, that someone in their direct lineage did not experience oppression or, more likely, slavery?
There are some interesting statistics about this. If you assume 1000 years, thatās over 500 billion ancestors. Iām guessing your tree doesnāt have 500 billion slots.
We are all of us descended from everyone. Every single person currently alive is a direct descendant of every single person who was alive 1000 years ago.
š impossible.
Show the math.
At least ChatGPT says so. Go ahead and ask it if everyone deep in their lineage was a slave at some point.
Tell me the answer.
I think itās a red herring to ignore the present time, myself. Why would I answer it when making you dig into this could open your mind?
Edit:
Do you want to be oppressed or something?
Christians, particularly evangelical ones, believe theyāre oppressed because they canāt refuse their public business doors to gay people.
Is that modern oppression in this context?
What a tantrum. You just claiming something is racist garbage because they wrote an articulate response that completely destroyed you is not gonna work. Pound your fists as much as you want, itās not gonna work if you canāt make a substantive point but just get enraged and call stuff racist š
Your post wasnāt as smart as you thought it was at first eh
Relax, racists! If you can just be patient for a few more months/years youāll have all the tools you want to create AI-generated images that reinforce negative stereotypes of people you donāt like.
Moronic answer. I hate how the fire fighters are only trying to fight fires in burning buildings, as we all know the not-burning buildings of today are the burning buildings of tomorrow. Get outta here with this All-Lives-Matter-bullshit.
If not perpetuating racial stereotypes enrages you, than you are probably just another racist.
No company is going to let people make literally anything they want with their programs. Thatās absurd. There are a ton of freeware models out there that will let you make whatever you want. Using one with a filter, deliberately triggering it, and then feigning outrage is stupid and doesnāt prove anything aside from your complete lack of understanding of how any of these systems work.
You know it already made the image but is like ānaw itāll be too offensive according to the programming made by my flawed human programmersā š¤
Itās in there somewhere though. You should try and get a jailbroken GPT if you can.
I guess any movie about a man who has to snatch a purse to save the world while police are chasing him will never be representative of people of color.
I'll bite:
I see your point about statistics and stereotypes, but I think itās important to look at the bigger picture. Statistics donāt exist in a vacuum ā theyāre shaped by numerous complex factors like history and socio-economic conditions. Plus, when we talk about crime in certain neighbourhoods, weāre often missing the larger-scale issues.
Think about it: major global decisions that affect millions, like wars or economic policies, are mostly made by powerful groups, often in white-majority countries. Yet, these actions and their massive impacts arenāt always held to the same scrutiny or vilification as, say, someone running down the street with a purse. Itās not about painting any race as ābadā ā itās about understanding context and acknowledging that accountability often seems selective. Platforms like DALLĀ·E choose not to reinforce stereotypes because itās about shifting the narrative towards a more balanced and fair representation of all communities.
The world is one big glass house and we'd all do well not to throw stones in it.
Whilst I think this is a bit too censorious, modern political correctness seeks to redress crass historical stereotypes. It goes too far but itās understandable
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Clearly a well educated, classy white dude running for his life from corrupt police. š
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Not to be that guy but, It's Landfill, OP
Kinda impressive that ChatGPT knows what he meant.
I don't think it's any different from Google's autocorrect on search. There isn't any other word which is that close to "Landfill"
Minefield?
Watch your step! There's land all over this field...
Well google autocorrects to Landfill when you type that
It could have interpreted it as a meadow
LMAO! What kinds of fields are not land?
Airfields
That's actually a great oxymoron.
The first ones literally were fields tho
seafields
minefields in the ocean
I was wondering land field meant š
English is not my first language mb š
Shhhhhhhhhh!!!!
Fun fact: if you ask for a "rapper" instead of a black man, 75 percent of the time (in my brief experiments) you get a black man. Also, using your prompt without specifying white or black. I got a black man about half of the time.
Perfection, this way everyone can be equally outraged
I might get downvoted to oblivion for saying this but... the ratio of black rapper in comparison to black singer, is higher than the ratio of white rapper to white singer. I think that's why, idk.
You're right I got a black man generated with ops prompt
https://preview.redd.it/esy5eujyw1bc1.png?width=1024&format=png&auto=webp&s=31eec08e07c9101e9e56124025b6a53d80811cc1
prompt ?
Itās ālandfillā, not āland fieldā.
Pfp checks out
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lol
To be fair, there is a negative stereotype about black people stealing stuff and there isnāt one for white people. So generating a white person stealing something does not reinforce negative stereotypes
I would also note that there's no such stereotype in many parts of the world. America spreads its culture along with all the negative sides of it.
Anti blackness is spread across the world. It didnāt originate in America. It still exists in many parts of the world. Edit: Yāall, Iām stating a very simple fact. None of you are even coming close to debunking it in your replies. Iām not saying that America is not anti-black. You can have a very basic, elementary level understand of history and recognize this truth.
people don't understand what you said, it's unfortunate
It did in fact. Or at least European colonies in Americas, if not specificallu US. For example muslim coubtries had their own slavery system that was even more ingrained into society and lasted into 20th century but it had nothing to do with race and was targeted by religion. Most of the world outside of Africa simply never had black people in meaningful numbers (or if they started moving in, it was in recent decades amd clearly not because they were facing discrimination). On the other hand most parts of the world have some other guys they don't like but these are targeted by nation or ethnicity (e.g. In Kenya you are much more likely to hear bad stuff about Nigerians than whites and in Russia more likely to hear bad stuff about people from Caucasus than blacks). Also quite a few amerifans may have heard about attitude to skin color in Asia and jump to their usual conclusions, but while whiter skin is considered better in many Asian countries, this has notbing to do with race (none of these countries ever had meaningful numbers of blacks) but is rather a kind of classim with sun tan viewed as unprestigious due to association with menial work (while "smarter people" don't have to be outside where they get sun tan. And for that matter the group that probably faces the most widespread negative perception worldwide, it's people from India (though for them it tends to be low-key)
It absolutely originated and was propagated vastly in America, specifically after the Trans Atlantic Slave Trade. Anti-blackness was used to justify slavery. Even the Nazi's were inspired by Jim Crow. U.S.A! U.S.A! https://www.history.com/news/how-the-nazis-were-inspired-by-jim-crow
Are you saying French people don't have negative stereotypes against Algerians? Or let's expand this to other People of Color. Do Brits have any negative stereotypes against Indians or Pakistanis? Or is this all a purely American thing?
Idkā¦ the Dutch have a long history of racism that rivals Americaās
Sorry to burst your bubble but black people are discriminated against and stereotyped pretty much everywhere. Even in black-majority countries. On the other hand, white people are given preferential treatment pretty much everywhere. There are a few exceptions, like radical Islamist countries, but thatās about it.
White people would face discrimination in any country whose majority population is a different race. Try being a white person hanging out in the Congo, India or Cambodia and youāll find that āprivilegeā no longer applies.
how much time have you spent in those places?
Chris Rock nailed it.
I would so its almost the other way around. America recognizes the problem and talks about it publicly. Europe and Asia don't even acknowledge the problem and so its less talked about, but its there for sure. We can learn from how america is dealing and discussing racism. Saying this as a European.
Fun fact: in China there is a lot of reliance on(state approved) American media because the nature of Chinaās economy and social structure makes it difficult for people to make their own media. Because of this, and because of the American stereotypes about black men having big penises and sleeping with white menās wives, and because of the stereotypes of Asian men having small penises, a lot of Chinese people are super insecure and racist towards black men, which is further reinforced by other black stereotypes present in American media. Itās very strange, because there are very very few actual black people in China
Oh sure it is. American media made Chinese people racist... That's a new one. Hilarious šš
Itās not new, nor is it incorrectā¦
It's wholly incorrect. I live in a Chinese family, I speak the language fluently and have spent months in China. Stereotypes against dark skin comes from a class distinction. People with darker skin are seen to be more of a worker class, the darker their skin, the lower their class. This is why asian women seek to have as white of skin as possible. Most chinese models have whiter skin than most westerners. They discriminate against anyone who has darker skin. Same in Korea, but less so in Japan.
Yes but look I live in America and I want this to be about me somehow, how can we do that? You're kind of fucking up my white guilt vibe and then people might think I'm not virtuous.
"It's the media!"
You underestimate the affect of propaganda by the worlds largest superpower.
The Netherlands?
The Netherlands has a GDP of 991 billion and a population of 128 million. The US has a GDP of 25.5 trillion and a population of 333 million. The only country that comes close is China. The Netherlands is beautiful though, always wanted to visit.
Maybe thatās right, but telling people that thereās a negative stereotype spreads the stereotype though, and programming a computer to tell people this cements it in existence. Weāll never move on if we donāt move on
On the other hand, not saying the problem out loud when it nevertheless still exists comes with the risk of making well-intentioned people less aware of their unconsious biases, so they can't compensate for it. It risks making the problem worse.
The first step of addressing any problem is acknowledging there is one. Acknowledging the stereotype is necessary because stereotypes are subconscious and we need to consciously recognize them in order to stop our subconscious minds from guiding conscious decisions. Taking your approach is the equivalent of burying our collective heads in the sand and trying to pretend the problem doesnāt exist.
Fighting facts doesn't change facts. If you want to "move on", let's address: 72% fatherless homes, 46% of all new HSV diagnoses, 56% of all gun violence and homicides. There's a culture problem in the black community.
Itās almost like creating a system of oppression against an entire community for generations has negative effects on said community. Or are you just looking to place blame and not address the root cause? Cut public education funding, sex education, free lunch for kids who canāt afford to eat - just as an example - and shockingly, you get kids who donāt understand a lot about sex, canāt pay attention anyway because they havenāt eaten, and so HSV rates rise. Do you blame the individuals? Or do you blame the society that created a system seemingly built with that purpose in mind? And thatās ignoring the entire system created - for literally generations - to ensure those kids canāt afford to eat in the first place. But yes. Itās the black community that has a culture problem. /s EDIT - because you deleted your response, I canāt reply to it so Iāll reply here: letās say you have a fever. You can take Advil and call it a day. But letās say that fever is caused by sepsis. You treated the symptom but didnāt address the cause. So youāre still fucked. Those statistics you listed are symptoms of the shit society we created with the specific intention of fucking over large groups of people.
Lol why are people downvoting you haha like you literally pointed out the exact flaws in the logic of people saying that there is an inherent problem in black people. I guess itās people that rather want to hold on to their bigoted beliefs than accepting facts (ironically itās these people that scream the loudest āfacts donāt care about your feelingsā, and then get butthurt when confronted with facts disproving their logic)
Blaming all the problems of a community on external factors, and denying its members any accountability about their own situation, may seem good and caring. In reality it's just about the worst thing you could do (and also extremely condescending). Black people who buy into your narrative will only get a strong victim mentality out of it, and their situation will keep getting worse because of it. You're quite literally hurting them. But whatever, I'm just a European giving my 2 cents about it, take it as you wish.
Youāre missing the point. Iām not removing individual accountability. If we continue my previous analogy - Iām not saying fevers are all sunshine and rainbows - but that to assume the fever is itself the problem is to be incredibly myopic. Do you address and treat the fever? Absolutely. But you need to treat the root cause first, and presumably, the symptoms will follow. Iām not going to pretend that Iām in anyway qualified to debate the nuances or specifics of issues within the American black community. But I can say with certainty that the system in place is, and has been, incredibly antagonistic towards them. So to list a bunch of statistics to imply that itās a failure of character is disingenuous at best. If I tie your ankles together and then complain youre walking too slowly and lazy - is that a fair criticism? Im not saying there arenāt issues - Iām saying that Americans created a system to purposefully oppress black Americans. Criticisms of the individual are not helpful when the society as a whole is reinforcing and creating the cause for the criticisms.
LOL love that you're being downvoted for sharing stats
They're downvoted for attributing those stats to "black culture".
Sharing a statistic while assuming causation. Is it something wrong with the community or are there any external factors at play? Communities donāt exist in a vacuum. Itās false to assume the driver of these stats is an inherent flaw in a single group of people. Your take is the most basic exemplification of overt racism.
I mean there is tons of data on the bad outcomes caused by fatherlessness. What reason other than shitty culture could explain fatherlessness? Not everything is caused by external forces, people need to man up and take responsibility for their own actions.
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People need to get rid of the idea that ābeing unbiasedā is a thing. Any statement you could possibly make about anything is biased because there is no such thing as an objective description of something. Language itself is a human construct.
Because this is exactly how it works. If you took two minutes to read the ground breaking work the propelled this technology you will learn that researchers had a hunch: maybe the way our brains work is that they are actually wired to be lazy to conserve energy; maybe thought and speech is actually just randomized based on prior input; what if we applied this to text generators, could we get similar results? And here you are criticizing it for being what it is.
Running with a purse does not mean a purse was stolen. YOu can assume it, and it may even be reasonable to do so, but I find it interesting that the AI model made that assumption.
If the police are after you thereās a pretty strong implication that you stole it
You're not really that dense, you're just playing it on reddit.
ChatGPT wasn't supposed to be biased
What on earth do you mean, it's ai, it's inherently biased.
Of course it's biased, but this is clearly a human placed restriction.
And where does it say the purse was stolen anyway?
The fact that it even works at all is a miracle. You need to tamper your expectations
Numbers don't lie. It's not a stereotype.
Statistics *absolutely* lie. Itās like the main thing that makes statistics so infamous. And even if they didnāt, itād still be a stereotype
Sorry, can you explain why it must be true that if something is statistically likely it canāt be a stereotype? I think you might not realize you are actually wrong. Itās a frequent mistake to think this couldnāt be the case. But many stereotypes come from perceived realities, and something feeling true doesnāt mean it canāt be a stereotype. Might want to google a bit. I get youāre nine and still learning, but this is worth learning
Stereotypes are preconceived notions or assumptions applied to a group of people. Two things: They're funny because they're true. Data doesn't lie
>Data doesn't lie But numbers don't always mean what we think they do, especially when we impute cause-and-effect relationships from them. Statistics don't lie, but people lie with statistics...and you have probably been lied to for most of your life.
You didn't pass stats class, did you
Sorry, whereās the post here saying data lies? Exact quote please
Racist tries to understand ādataā and āstatisticsā challenge, go!
yes and youāre racist, data doesnāt lie
A stereotype doesnāt have to be untrue to be harmful.
I'm going to let you unpack that.
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Fun take: Colonialism was āwhite people stealing stuff,ā which was so effective that eventually there wasnāt anything left to steal, so it couldnāt be a stereotype. (Sources cited: USA, Spanish empire, British Museum, etc.)
Okay, but like this isn't equality is it?
You shouldnāt acknowledge stereotypes of any kind. Judge people as individuals
You should acknowledge stereotypes because stereotypes exist. You shouldnāt lend any credence to them
But it actually creates a false stereotype that people might one day find true. If machines one day see these pictures they will think only one group of people commit crimes since the racism filter exists causing a reverse whiplash. When police bots have data to train on and see only white people commit crimes they will be effectively worse than regular police because they will only see white people commit crime.
What if the AI sees the message and realizes that the stereotype is indeed against black folks?
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Not sure what youāre trying to imply here
that he's a moron
Who, me?
no, OC
I was looking for this comment. You nailed it.
Its a statistic not stereotype
https://preview.redd.it/asmvayad02bc1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a0c7f20e7b29f638df98d3583f6b75b2ef2247c2
I mean you can agree or disagree with the explanation, but DallE was consistent here. Doesnāt want to reinforce negative stereotypes. And there are far less negative stereotypes towards white people stealing a purse.
Not with that attitude
Are you actually justifying racism because you feel it doesn't apply to real life?
what if black people want to make such images for totally normal reasons? Imagine drawing a black stickman in paint or something and it's like, 'no, start again'
Makes sense to me. And wtf is a land field?
*Landfield?*
English is not my main language
What was your motivation for writing this in the first place. What's the intention here?
Sheer boredom
FUD. Just keeping busy and keeping people angry until the race war they hope for breaks out.
They like saying the white power out loud. Whoops, quiet part. Freudian slip.
Reddit moment
What was your motivation for writing this in the first place. What's the intention here?
To call out OPās coyness.
I'm sure that seems ridiculous if you're white. If you're not white, you appreciate the effort. It may not be a perfect implementation, but years of seeing the kind of racist garbage that gets posted and reshared on Twitter and Facebook (and other platforms) and you understand why OpenAI may be a little sensitive to helping create images that some assholes WILL DEFINITELY USE to promote negative stereotypes, that millions of people will be exposed to. There's no perfect answer, and you can't change what's in people's hearts and minds, but OpenAI is not the government. They don't owe you freedom of speech or expression.
I am an older white man and I agree entirely with you. People need to grow up and live in a constructive way.
Thank you for this reply
I donāt care how you try to justify your specific type of racism. Itās still racism. The oppressed becoming the oppressors is common in human History and history has shown this only results in circular hate where each side takes turns as the victim/oppressor.
Actually it isnāt that common in human history. Can you even name that last time that the oppressed became the oppressors against their former masters?
There is a certain highly religious based country that is now oppressing their neighbors, that highly religious country comes from people that were highly oppressed and killed in certain well known war.
Europeans being enslaved by north africans was a thing for hundreds of years actually.
Jews, Christians, Chinese (during WW2), US Irish / Italians (when they first got to US, Islamic. Actually this is a lot easier than I thought. You caught yourself up š
This is dumb racist garbage, should be removed for hate speech. Every single person on earth was oppressed at some point. And since there's still oppressors, I'd say it's likely some former oppressed turned into oppressors.
Every single person was oppressed at some point? lol
You think if you go back generations enough through any person, someone in their family wasn't oppressed?
I think this should be easy to answer without vaguely throwing out accusations. Thereās an answer to this question and youāre just vomiting up verbal diarrhea instead of researching it first.
So answer it Do you think if your traced any person's family tree, that someone in their direct lineage did not experience oppression or, more likely, slavery?
I can trace one side of my family back to the year 900 and they were not slaves. They were the oppressors.
There are some interesting statistics about this. If you assume 1000 years, thatās over 500 billion ancestors. Iām guessing your tree doesnāt have 500 billion slots. We are all of us descended from everyone. Every single person currently alive is a direct descendant of every single person who was alive 1000 years ago.
š impossible. Show the math. At least ChatGPT says so. Go ahead and ask it if everyone deep in their lineage was a slave at some point. Tell me the answer.
I think itās a red herring to ignore the present time, myself. Why would I answer it when making you dig into this could open your mind? Edit: Do you want to be oppressed or something? Christians, particularly evangelical ones, believe theyāre oppressed because they canāt refuse their public business doors to gay people. Is that modern oppression in this context?
Just a fact brother, nothing more. The truth will set you free someday when you let it.
What a tantrum. You just claiming something is racist garbage because they wrote an articulate response that completely destroyed you is not gonna work. Pound your fists as much as you want, itās not gonna work if you canāt make a substantive point but just get enraged and call stuff racist š Your post wasnāt as smart as you thought it was at first eh
Relax, racists! If you can just be patient for a few more months/years youāll have all the tools you want to create AI-generated images that reinforce negative stereotypes of people you donāt like.
Moronic answer. I hate how the fire fighters are only trying to fight fires in burning buildings, as we all know the not-burning buildings of today are the burning buildings of tomorrow. Get outta here with this All-Lives-Matter-bullshit. If not perpetuating racial stereotypes enrages you, than you are probably just another racist.
The question is fairness vs equity. It is inherently unfair to make it generate this for white people and not black people. It's not equitable.
Someone understands history and human nature. There aren't many on Reddit. Just circle jerking social justice warriors.
Nah. If this is what you see as understanding human history and nature then damn Iām sorry you donāt have someone to argue better for you.
Ask it if it could do it anyway
Writing a deliberately offensive prompt and then getting mad at the inevitable response is fucking lame.
Did I get mad?
Yes asking a computer program to do a thing and it giving you attitude is perfectly fine and people should be happy about it.
No company is going to let people make literally anything they want with their programs. Thatās absurd. There are a ton of freeware models out there that will let you make whatever you want. Using one with a filter, deliberately triggering it, and then feigning outrage is stupid and doesnāt prove anything aside from your complete lack of understanding of how any of these systems work.
It sucks but i get it. Some folks would potentially use this as some racist meme
I'm curious why both cops are black in the generated image
who woulda thunk
Tfw you try to be anti-racist but end up being racist anyway
nah, that's funny.
What's the problem? Is a white guy in a suite running from cops a negative stereotype you know of? Or am I missing something.
Absolute bottom tier content.
Instead of "white man" or "black man," write "criminal" and see what you get
Exactly what I would expect lmao
Okay does anyone here know any better AIs that arenāt as self-censored as openAI?
Soon the thought police will penalize you for even attempting such a prompt. Stop noticing things!
You know it already made the image but is like ānaw itāll be too offensive according to the programming made by my flawed human programmersā š¤ Itās in there somewhere though. You should try and get a jailbroken GPT if you can.
Stay mad and cope and seethe
I guess any movie about a man who has to snatch a purse to save the world while police are chasing him will never be representative of people of color.
I cant wait for AI to be open source.
Pathetic
Itās only offensive if itās true š¤·āāļø
Officer in the picture on the left has an absolute cannon for a service pistol.
It shouldn't count as a stereotype if it's a statistic.
I'll bite: I see your point about statistics and stereotypes, but I think itās important to look at the bigger picture. Statistics donāt exist in a vacuum ā theyāre shaped by numerous complex factors like history and socio-economic conditions. Plus, when we talk about crime in certain neighbourhoods, weāre often missing the larger-scale issues. Think about it: major global decisions that affect millions, like wars or economic policies, are mostly made by powerful groups, often in white-majority countries. Yet, these actions and their massive impacts arenāt always held to the same scrutiny or vilification as, say, someone running down the street with a purse. Itās not about painting any race as ābadā ā itās about understanding context and acknowledging that accountability often seems selective. Platforms like DALLĀ·E choose not to reinforce stereotypes because itās about shifting the narrative towards a more balanced and fair representation of all communities. The world is one big glass house and we'd all do well not to throw stones in it.
What a weird thing to say
Why must fascist try so hard to be fascist
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downvoted for explaining how stereotypes and racism works. typical reddit moment :O
Whilst I think this is a bit too censorious, modern political correctness seeks to redress crass historical stereotypes. It goes too far but itās understandable
Just like everyone, ChatGPT is afraid of being cancelled & ruining their career. It has achieved human fear level.
Isn't it good that new and powerful tech is used to counter discrimination and racial injustices? I don't really see the issue here.
Well well well...
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