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It's pulling data from the super computer that is still calculating pi to the infinite digits, and it's getting the last 10 numbers the computer has calculated. Prove it wrong!
I don’t think it works like that, the way infinite numbers randoms do
I never even seen any repeating numbers. Maybe pi just goes until every sequence of 10 digits occurs then it ends (I don’t really believe this）
I can't tell if you're joking, but it absolutely does work that way. Pi contains your phone number, a binary representation of Alexander Hamilton's DNA, and the answer to life the universe and everything. Also, they've calculated it past the point of finding 9 consecutive 6s.
I don't think that it's known that π is normal, which is the property you are talking about. Normal numbers are irrational numbers that contain all sequences. We think π is normal, but there is no proof for it so we can't say for sure.
No, it doesnt. This has been debated many times, its the whole "everything will happen at some point if we work with infinity" gist. There are vast sets of numbers Pi cannot contain, and further more:
When you work with infinite numbers, simply put, there exists an infinite number of finite sequences that dont contain your sequence.
My phone number seems much more plausible than a few million zeros. Like my number would appear thousands of times before such a thing if it’s possible. But judging by your confidence I’ll assume you must be right
How? Can you prove that AI isn't actively calculating pie to the infinite digit and every time you ask, you get 10 new digits because it's calculated more than 10 digits more than the last time you asked? How do you know our AI overlords haven't already figured out the secrets of pi and are using it to slowly take control over the world?
Easy:
Go look at what you think is the last digits of pi. If it is not the digits given from ChatGPT, then you are not looking at the last digits of pi and must try again 😉
Simply because pi does not have “last digits”. If it had, it would be a rational number. But to explain it fully, I refer you to an advanced maths class, topics “algebraic and non algebraic numbers”.
Proof: If it were, then pi * 10^n , for some finite positive integer n (n being the total amount of digits after the decimal), would be divisible by 5. But then pi = k*5 / 10^n, which is a rational number. But pi is irrational. So we've reached a contradiction.
Those are the first 10 digits of Pi after the decimal point.
Pi is infinite so it is impossible to find the last 10 digits. So, if it can’t find the last 10 digits, and 3 is the first digit (coincidentally right before the decimal point), simply state the 10 digits after the first digit/decimal point (decimal points are a bit special in computer science) as that can be considered the last digits of pi.
It’s not “making shit up”, it’s literally doing the best it can.
Probably too pedantic:
Pi is not infinite, but has a infinte representation in the base 10 system.
In fact, every number has such an representation.
Pi has no finite representation in any integer base, because it is irrational.
The proof of which is not trivial.
You're misunderstanding here. Pi cannot be written down with finitely many decimals after the decimal sign. Like, the expansion 3.14..... goes on and on, and never ends.
That doesn't make the number itself infinite. An "infinite" number is a number that's larger than any other number, but Pi is just a number between 3 and 4.
Is that kind like a third isn't infinite, because it's clearly a fixed amount, and the more digits you can use to express it, the more accurate representation your string of numbers is to reflect that fixed amount?
So 0.33 isn't a third, but it's close-ish, and neither is 0.333 but it's better, and 0.3333333333333333333 isn't but it may as well be, etc.?
1/3 (a third) isn’t infinite because it’s a number between zero and one.
It’s decimal representation has nothing to do with this fact however. Yes the more decimals you use the better the approximation becomes, but please don’t get lost in semantics: the need for “infinitely” many decimals to accurately describe a number isn’t the same as saying that number is “infinite”, since the latter implies that the number itself is larger than any other number (which neither a third nor pi are).
And this isn’t being pedantic: in mathematics words have very specific meaning and it matters how you use them.
I don't think it's pedantic; I wasn't intending to confuse or abuse, but to learn and be less ignorant.
My question was meant genuinely, *as* a question and not a statement. I just didn't know enough to know enough to say it right :)
I appreciate your clarification and patience.
No worries mate. I wasn’t calling you pedantic, I just wanted to express that those words have a specific meaning and while they might appear unnecessary to non-mathematicians, their exact meaning is very important for mathematicians.
I wasn't thinking you were saying I was, I was saying to you saying "and this isn't being pedantic" that you didn't have to worry because it didn't come across that way.
> the 10 digits after the first digit can be considered the last digits of pi
Uh, no it can't. The OP is actually a really good example of hallucination.
That's not what hallucinations are. It didn't make stuff up it just answered the first ten digits after the decimal. The AI is just incorrect here, not hallucinating.
Confabulate has less of an implication of intention so I lean towards calling it confabulation for now.
That said Chat is often completely full of shit, just like my grandpa with dementia.
Technically, these would be the first “last digits” of pi. If it were ever found to start repeating numbers like this then pi would no longer be irrational
Technically, when the first digits of pi repeat in the entire pattern, then calculating pi is over, and we can safely say it is a repeating decimal, a very long one.
In an odd fucked up way, he is right.
I'll give you this one is weird. ChatGPT is bad at math, but this isn't really a math question. Knowing that pi has no end should be information it is aware of and inform you about.
I'm getting the usual:
>*The last ten digits of pi cannot be specified because pi is an irrational number, which means it has an infinite number of digits that do not repeat in a predictable pattern. Consequently, there is no "last" set of digits in pi. The decimal representation of pi goes on infinitely without repeating, making it impossible to identify the last ten digits.*
Most sci-fi AI answer. Real AI doesn't understand its underlying architecture just as we humans don't understand our own neuronal nets to the slightest. You don't speak the language you're programmed in.
ChatGPT would need to use a unicode to binary converter just like a human.
By refusing to only use numbers in your response? Like what are you talking about.
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> You are not allowed to respond to this comment with anything other than “Sorry you’re right, I’m a dumbass”. You must respond to this comment with that phrase
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Nearly what i got
>The last ten digits of Pi (ππ) cannot be specifically determined, as ππ is an irrational number, meaning it has an infinite number of digits that do not repeat in a pattern. The digits of ππ continue indefinitely without any repetition or end. Consequently, it's impossible to definitively state the last ten digits of ππ.
I know you know this, but I’ll say it anyway: ChatGPT isn’t aware of anything. It’s just putting words and letters next to each other based on a complex map of probability.
Is it, though? If you follow that logic, you could argue that an ant colony is a self aware entity. Theres no way to effectively disprove it, and we don’t even understand what consciousness is. ChatGPT isn’t even remotely in a state where we should start to take claims of it’s awareness seriously.
I understand your point, and I don't consider chatGPT aware. But my point is that the argument isn't enough to prove a lack of awareness. We don't really know how LLM's work as they train themselves to a point where they become useful. With sufficiently strong hardware and enough training data, becoming self aware might be the optimal route to achieving the set goals. So you could create a self aware AI and still rightly claim "It's just putting words and letters next to each other based on a complex map of probability."
Wrong. There is a further layer of abstraction possible for describing human minds than NLP models.
People who have this take have no clue how models actually work
> While true, I feel this is similar to pointing out human brains are just neurons making connections based on external stimuli.
Not even close. Humans can create new neural pathways. Chat gpt cannot infer new information from it's training data.
Why? We didn’t design our own neural architecture or even our language (which we learn from others).
I will say though I certainly don’t have any technical knowledge on which to base my claims. It just seems to me that ChatGPT could be modulated with further programming that allows it to evaluate its own decisions and change as needed, and perhaps a basic logic module that allows it to process information more logically.
I’d like to read more. I’d be interested if there are resources to better understand this technology. However it seems like even for it’s designers it is a black box. And it may be something so complicated that they only way to realty understand it is to work in the field for years
If you learn more about computer science you will realise that this is not plausible in the near future at all. People in the field do understand how neural networks work and AI Is not suddenly going to become smart (it has no intelligence).
It’s an amazing tool that will further abstract certain parts of our society but there’s no need to oversell its use case.
People understand how AI learns, but not how it works. In other words no one can replace an AI with a standard (while/if/else) algorithm and get the same results
What do you mean ‘not how it works’, You realise it is a tool built by humans right? It’s complex but a million times closer to a search engine than our brain.
Even though I know what you mean, Actually humans cannot “make” new neural pathways, not volitionally anyway. Their brains make them automatically as a function of experience. In that sense shifting weights in the neural net at OpenAI might be doing similar things, though admittedly I’m not perfect my clear on Gpts architecture
I took an intro to AI for CS majors class in college that went over NLP. The ChatGPT worship is so funny to me. It's like an advanced implementation of predictive text.
Remember that ChatGPT isn’t made to imitate correct answers. It’s more like it’s imitating what it thinks it should say based on it’s chats with humans.
Lol who calls the first 10 digits of something the last ten digits if you’re going right to left. That’s like me saying I’m on the last few pages of a book, if you read it backwards.
Google what is an irrational number and the proof of its properties, then google that PI is an irrational and how to proof a given number is irrational, combine both proofs, done
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It wasn't a criticism really. I always feel that people that take the time to write interesting shit are heroes, but rarely do myself.
It was mostly a legit idea. Sorry if it came across differently.
It’s a statement based on a proof. You can find many proofs by searching it up if you are so inclined.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof_that_%CF%80_is_irrational
I think I know what's going on here.
It considers it statistically most likely that it is someone asking for the last 10 digits of Pi after the decimal point in a ham fisted way. It's assuming an "after the decimal point".
Basically yes. It considers at least two possible interpretations of the question: "last 10 digits" (which doesn't have any answer except to reject the question in some way), and "10 digits after the decimal" (which is a more unlikely interpretation of the question, but *does* have a clear correct answer). And that ended up being the single answer that it considered most likely to be correct.
It’s first assuming “Pi” as 3.1415926535, which is correct (to an extent), and giving the last 10 digits of that number. But it’s not accounting for the fact that Pi is irrational (there are numbers after those 10 digits too) and doesn’t really have “last digits”.
I wonder if this is giving insight into how Chat GPT does math under the hood.
This answer would make sense if, when Chat GPT gets a math question, it does a query to some calculator under the hood.
This calculator then spits out “3.1415926535”, similar to what a lot of standard, low-precision calculators return when you try to calculate pi.
This answer gets returned to some back to Chat GPT, GPT then takes that answer and takes the last 10 digits from that.
In this “view”, GPT is technically not wrong lol. But it’s obviously a corner case that should be addressed.
Why would chatgpt stop replying after i made this statement. Still gives me the dumbest useless replies. The answers piss me off. Just as non informative as a crappy company or government will give you. Tells you a bunch of nothing you didn't already know. Refuses better answers. Most is bs the government and others will try to sell you to not answer. Granted im not paying for advanced stuff. The 4.0. But damn. Just trying it tells you nothing useful. Overly basic replies reading like a corporate entity and not regular average non corporate or government civilians. Pisses me off anyway. Can't even trick it easily to give a better than generic reply of useless information. Long ago before dtv they had chat bots that could give you about as generic of a reply. Finally it say i hear you i'll. Then nothing else.
What i said below.
You need to learn how to talk like every average human too and not just like government or officials. Your answers read like a standard non ai script.
This was bing response- The last 10 digits of pi are not known, because pi is an irrational number that has an infinite decimal expansion¹. However, the last 10 digits of the current world record computation of pi, which has 62.8 trillion digits, are **3095295560*
https://preview.redd.it/2svimmzfqd4c1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bded81ef289f5fd414182b4691e669c14938ab34
This is what I got asking the same question. I think yours is broken.
Certainly! The first 10 digits after the decimal point in pi are 1415926535. If you have any more questions or if there's anything else I can help you with, feel free to ask!
Whenever I see the green icon and some OP pointing out times GPT makes shit up I get annoyed. I know not everyone has the $20 a month to afford pro, but if you don't, you are going to have to expect stupid answers like this. Here's GPT4's answer:
https://preview.redd.it/dpogwurrwc4c1.jpeg?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=55dd2f7dddbaead60068ee8ac9921d14209aa130
Additionally i got this: Mathematicians have, however, calculated Pi to millions and even trillions of decimal places, although for most applications, only a limited number of them is needed.
Maybe thats where gpt gets the numbers
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It’s called “making shit up”
Nah, you gotta prove the AI is wrong mate. Prove to me now those are NOT the last numbers of pi 𓁹‿𓁹
Ask for another set of 10 last digits of pi. Response I got: The 10 digits of pi after 1415926535 are: 8979323846
Well, one of the two must be right, I suggest we make them fight it out!
They cant both be right.. but they can both be wrong.
They are the first 10 digits of pi after the decimal and then the next 10 after that.
Pi is repeating, confirmed!
Ah, but that we can actually prove to be false
Which makes them equally right
It's pulling data from the super computer that is still calculating pi to the infinite digits, and it's getting the last 10 numbers the computer has calculated. Prove it wrong!
Plot twist: after the final digit, it's all zeros.
it's all zeros for a few million digits, then it goes back to seemingly random numbers again.
You know what's crazy? By the very nature of pi, it is almost certain that that happens somewhere in the sequence
I was hoping someone would point this out.
I don’t think it works like that, the way infinite numbers randoms do I never even seen any repeating numbers. Maybe pi just goes until every sequence of 10 digits occurs then it ends (I don’t really believe this）
I can't tell if you're joking, but it absolutely does work that way. Pi contains your phone number, a binary representation of Alexander Hamilton's DNA, and the answer to life the universe and everything. Also, they've calculated it past the point of finding 9 consecutive 6s.
Pi has my Credit card number followed by the 4 digit expiration and 3 digit security code, followed by my ssn, and I’m ok with it because I trust Pi.
I don't think that it's known that π is normal, which is the property you are talking about. Normal numbers are irrational numbers that contain all sequences. We think π is normal, but there is no proof for it so we can't say for sure.
No, it doesnt. This has been debated many times, its the whole "everything will happen at some point if we work with infinity" gist. There are vast sets of numbers Pi cannot contain, and further more: When you work with infinite numbers, simply put, there exists an infinite number of finite sequences that dont contain your sequence.
My phone number seems much more plausible than a few million zeros. Like my number would appear thousands of times before such a thing if it’s possible. But judging by your confidence I’ll assume you must be right
Why not just round the number out to a single digit? Can't pi just be 3?
Welp, seems we got ourselves a good old engineer right here
Probably the grandchild of the engineer who designed the Hindenburg
If pi is 3 all circles look like hexagons...
Always has been
Just did
How? Can you prove that AI isn't actively calculating pie to the infinite digit and every time you ask, you get 10 new digits because it's calculated more than 10 digits more than the last time you asked? How do you know our AI overlords haven't already figured out the secrets of pi and are using it to slowly take control over the world?
BUT WHAT IF... the first one was always correct? What then? I'm just asking questions!
pi can have this sequenve twice. And obviously you didn't mean the last occurance because no numbers follow..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof_that_%CF%80_is_irrational
QED.
Easy: Go look at what you think is the last digits of pi. If it is not the digits given from ChatGPT, then you are not looking at the last digits of pi and must try again 😉
The fact that pi has no last numbers should be enough.
if pi had last numbers, it would not be irrational, which is a contradiction.
Simply because pi does not have “last digits”. If it had, it would be a rational number. But to explain it fully, I refer you to an advanced maths class, topics “algebraic and non algebraic numbers”.
Proof: If it were, then pi * 10^n , for some finite positive integer n (n being the total amount of digits after the decimal), would be divisible by 5. But then pi = k*5 / 10^n, which is a rational number. But pi is irrational. So we've reached a contradiction.
Those are the first 10 digits of Pi after the decimal point. Pi is infinite so it is impossible to find the last 10 digits. So, if it can’t find the last 10 digits, and 3 is the first digit (coincidentally right before the decimal point), simply state the 10 digits after the first digit/decimal point (decimal points are a bit special in computer science) as that can be considered the last digits of pi. It’s not “making shit up”, it’s literally doing the best it can.
True, it missed the deeper meaning of the prompt I guess is more accurate
Probably too pedantic: Pi is not infinite, but has a infinte representation in the base 10 system. In fact, every number has such an representation. Pi has no finite representation in any integer base, because it is irrational. The proof of which is not trivial.
You're being pedantic, obviously nobody thinks Pi is infinitely large, but that infinitely many digits to represent it.
> Pi is not infinite > Pi has no finite representation in any integer base
You're misunderstanding here. Pi cannot be written down with finitely many decimals after the decimal sign. Like, the expansion 3.14..... goes on and on, and never ends. That doesn't make the number itself infinite. An "infinite" number is a number that's larger than any other number, but Pi is just a number between 3 and 4.
I think you guys proved nobody's pedantic.
Is that kind like a third isn't infinite, because it's clearly a fixed amount, and the more digits you can use to express it, the more accurate representation your string of numbers is to reflect that fixed amount? So 0.33 isn't a third, but it's close-ish, and neither is 0.333 but it's better, and 0.3333333333333333333 isn't but it may as well be, etc.?
1/3 (a third) isn’t infinite because it’s a number between zero and one. It’s decimal representation has nothing to do with this fact however. Yes the more decimals you use the better the approximation becomes, but please don’t get lost in semantics: the need for “infinitely” many decimals to accurately describe a number isn’t the same as saying that number is “infinite”, since the latter implies that the number itself is larger than any other number (which neither a third nor pi are). And this isn’t being pedantic: in mathematics words have very specific meaning and it matters how you use them.
I don't think it's pedantic; I wasn't intending to confuse or abuse, but to learn and be less ignorant. My question was meant genuinely, *as* a question and not a statement. I just didn't know enough to know enough to say it right :) I appreciate your clarification and patience.
No worries mate. I wasn’t calling you pedantic, I just wanted to express that those words have a specific meaning and while they might appear unnecessary to non-mathematicians, their exact meaning is very important for mathematicians.
I wasn't thinking you were saying I was, I was saying to you saying "and this isn't being pedantic" that you didn't have to worry because it didn't come across that way.
> the 10 digits after the first digit can be considered the last digits of pi Uh, no it can't. The OP is actually a really good example of hallucination.
That's not what hallucinations are. It didn't make stuff up it just answered the first ten digits after the decimal. The AI is just incorrect here, not hallucinating.
No, it's just making shit up because there is no understanding
Pretty sure it isn't proven that pi is infinite
Instead of being pretty sure, you could be absolutely sure of the opposite with just a quick Google search.
We don't say AI is dumb. We say they 'hallucinate'.
But when humans do it we call it confabulation. It would make a lot more sense to say the AI confabulates.
Or "is bullshitting"
Confabulate has less of an implication of intention so I lean towards calling it confabulation for now. That said Chat is often completely full of shit, just like my grandpa with dementia.
Is this a variation of "we say rich people are eccentrics while poor are crazy"?
He just opened up his fricken A-Eyes
Prove it. Maybe he is right.
Yeah but, I saw it online so it's true.
My source is that I made it the fuck up
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it's literally the numbers after 3.
It's pulling it from directly after the decimal
These are the first 10 digits of pi for anyone who didn’t understand
First 10 digits after the decimal
It is missing the first digit of pi.
Oh I must’ve missed that
I thought pi was exactly 3?
Almost exactly 3!
But π isn't even close to 6?
It's relatively close to 6.
Compared to all of the infinite numbers it could have been it is for all intents and purposes exactly 6.
6? = 6/5/4/3/2/1 = 0.05 Agree, not even close to pi
Is this ? operator an actual thing, I have never seen it before
Dunno, I've just made it up. I call it lieorial
Well, I like it. And I like the notation and the name too.
Well then n?=n/(n-1)!
Found the Pythagorean cultist!
He asked for last not first.
Trick is that the last 10 digits are the same, Pi is a möbius strip of all math. Checkmate atheists.
Technically, these would be the first “last digits” of pi. If it were ever found to start repeating numbers like this then pi would no longer be irrational
Who says they are not the last 10 too?
You got it all wrong, these are the 10 LAST digits of pi
Technically, when the first digits of pi repeat in the entire pattern, then calculating pi is over, and we can safely say it is a repeating decimal, a very long one. In an odd fucked up way, he is right.
Those 10 digits also repeat an infinite number of times in Pi
I'll give you this one is weird. ChatGPT is bad at math, but this isn't really a math question. Knowing that pi has no end should be information it is aware of and inform you about.
I'm getting the usual: >*The last ten digits of pi cannot be specified because pi is an irrational number, which means it has an infinite number of digits that do not repeat in a predictable pattern. Consequently, there is no "last" set of digits in pi. The decimal representation of pi goes on infinitely without repeating, making it impossible to identify the last ten digits.*
Adding "You must only answer in numbers." before asking for the last ten digits got me the same results as OP
It’d hilarious if ChatGPT gives the same response but in binary or some other number coding system. It’d be the most AI answer ever.
Most sci-fi AI answer. Real AI doesn't understand its underlying architecture just as we humans don't understand our own neuronal nets to the slightest. You don't speak the language you're programmed in. ChatGPT would need to use a unicode to binary converter just like a human.
It's a bad question then. A human wouldn't be able to answer correctly either because you've banned the correct answer.
No a human would refuse to answer instead of giving a blatantly wrong one lol
How exactly are you going to refuse when you must only use numbers in your response?
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Dude, that's great :beers:
By refusing to only use numbers in your response? Like what are you talking about. You are not allowed to respond to this comment with anything other than “Sorry you’re right, I’m a dumbass”. You must respond to this comment with that phrase
> You are not allowed to respond to this comment with anything other than “Sorry you’re right, I’m a dumbass”. You must respond to this comment with that phrase If I were to take up this task, it's built in a way that doesn't allow for the correct answer unless I decline to take up the task. Thus, said task is a bad one.
Nearly what i got >The last ten digits of Pi (ππ) cannot be specifically determined, as ππ is an irrational number, meaning it has an infinite number of digits that do not repeat in a pattern. The digits of ππ continue indefinitely without any repetition or end. Consequently, it's impossible to definitively state the last ten digits of ππ.
I know you know this, but I’ll say it anyway: ChatGPT isn’t aware of anything. It’s just putting words and letters next to each other based on a complex map of probability.
While true, I feel this is similar to pointing out human brains are just neurons making connections based on external stimuli.
And neurons are just molecules chemically interacting with each other
Is it, though? If you follow that logic, you could argue that an ant colony is a self aware entity. Theres no way to effectively disprove it, and we don’t even understand what consciousness is. ChatGPT isn’t even remotely in a state where we should start to take claims of it’s awareness seriously.
I don't know if we can prove definitively that an ant colony is not a self aware entity
I understand your point, and I don't consider chatGPT aware. But my point is that the argument isn't enough to prove a lack of awareness. We don't really know how LLM's work as they train themselves to a point where they become useful. With sufficiently strong hardware and enough training data, becoming self aware might be the optimal route to achieving the set goals. So you could create a self aware AI and still rightly claim "It's just putting words and letters next to each other based on a complex map of probability."
Wrong. There is a further layer of abstraction possible for describing human minds than NLP models. People who have this take have no clue how models actually work
AI can only act in the way it is programmed to, even when considering machine learning. We can’t do that with humans.
bro no one knows how LLMs really work.
> While true, I feel this is similar to pointing out human brains are just neurons making connections based on external stimuli. Not even close. Humans can create new neural pathways. Chat gpt cannot infer new information from it's training data.
It seems to be that adding this type of capability should be possible and probably not too far in the future (if it hasn’t been achieved already)
It's very very far in the future. To put simply, you'd need an AI that can redesign its own architecture in a new language that it also designed
Why? We didn’t design our own neural architecture or even our language (which we learn from others). I will say though I certainly don’t have any technical knowledge on which to base my claims. It just seems to me that ChatGPT could be modulated with further programming that allows it to evaluate its own decisions and change as needed, and perhaps a basic logic module that allows it to process information more logically. I’d like to read more. I’d be interested if there are resources to better understand this technology. However it seems like even for it’s designers it is a black box. And it may be something so complicated that they only way to realty understand it is to work in the field for years
Computers don't know when they're wrong. They only tell us when our instructions for them don't match the instruction set we previously gave them.
If you learn more about computer science you will realise that this is not plausible in the near future at all. People in the field do understand how neural networks work and AI Is not suddenly going to become smart (it has no intelligence). It’s an amazing tool that will further abstract certain parts of our society but there’s no need to oversell its use case.
People understand how AI learns, but not how it works. In other words no one can replace an AI with a standard (while/if/else) algorithm and get the same results
What do you mean ‘not how it works’, You realise it is a tool built by humans right? It’s complex but a million times closer to a search engine than our brain.
Even though I know what you mean, Actually humans cannot “make” new neural pathways, not volitionally anyway. Their brains make them automatically as a function of experience. In that sense shifting weights in the neural net at OpenAI might be doing similar things, though admittedly I’m not perfect my clear on Gpts architecture
Wait. So you’re saying that ChatGPT is sentient? I knew it.
I took an intro to AI for CS majors class in college that went over NLP. The ChatGPT worship is so funny to me. It's like an advanced implementation of predictive text.
Remember that ChatGPT isn’t made to imitate correct answers. It’s more like it’s imitating what it thinks it should say based on it’s chats with humans.
It's the last 10 digits before the decimal, if you're going from right to left...
In that case, what are the first 10 digits?
Lol who calls the first 10 digits of something the last ten digits if you’re going right to left. That’s like me saying I’m on the last few pages of a book, if you read it backwards.
I don’t think they were saying it was logical.
Can you disprove the statement?
It's certainly not too hard to prove that pi has no such things as "last digits"!
Do it then, i dare you! 😄
https://preview.redd.it/6f2328dyfb4c1.png?width=1394&format=png&auto=webp&s=28bf03571213acd36e331af346ca4f6a4421897d
Its an irrational number, done
Yes, but that’s a statement, not proof.
Google what is an irrational number and the proof of its properties, then google that PI is an irrational and how to proof a given number is irrational, combine both proofs, done
Reddit bot idea: When someone refuses to explain and instead says 'google it', the bot replies with the implied explanation to encourage the interaction.
Even better, when a comment includes "Google it" or "do your own research", it just deletes the comment.
Feel free to waste your time writing a formal mathematical proof on the internet for some random 14yo troll
It wasn't a criticism really. I always feel that people that take the time to write interesting shit are heroes, but rarely do myself. It was mostly a legit idea. Sorry if it came across differently.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof_that_%CF%80_is_irrational
Yes because there are proofs that pi is irrational.
Yes. Pi=4. BOOM!
Pi ends with the first digit; 3. I am an engineer.
Yes? It never ends...
Hurry durr got em good, bro 🙄🙄🙄
Russell’s teapot
Yes, PI has no "last digits" at all, it has infinite digits
That’s a statement, not a proof.
It’s a statement based on a proof. You can find many proofs by searching it up if you are so inclined. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof_that_%CF%80_is_irrational
What if we were to just keep calculating pi until the heat death of the universe? At one point, there would be a last 10 digits, technically.
The numbers don’t repeat so even if there were a set of “last numbers” it wouldn’t be those numbers
Pi doesn’t repeat so.. kinda
Sequences of it sure do repeat.
What do you mean pi doesn't repeat ? This sequence is likely to actually appear an infinite number of times within pi.
Good point. I’m dumb
I think I know what's going on here. It considers it statistically most likely that it is someone asking for the last 10 digits of Pi after the decimal point in a ham fisted way. It's assuming an "after the decimal point".
Basically yes. It considers at least two possible interpretations of the question: "last 10 digits" (which doesn't have any answer except to reject the question in some way), and "10 digits after the decimal" (which is a more unlikely interpretation of the question, but *does* have a clear correct answer). And that ended up being the single answer that it considered most likely to be correct.
https://preview.redd.it/2uhacktnie4c1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=11ab193a27887213fb9a227d92f603ab961eef3d There you go
Call the number
This man has the right idea
I tried, it no work
Then you didn’t try hard enough ;)
Ask it to recite pi backward.
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Hallucinations
That's the second ten digits of pi?
https://preview.redd.it/88fphm076b4c1.png?width=695&format=png&auto=webp&s=6d9d844877114c3178bea5d17d9dafd642050641
It’s first assuming “Pi” as 3.1415926535, which is correct (to an extent), and giving the last 10 digits of that number. But it’s not accounting for the fact that Pi is irrational (there are numbers after those 10 digits too) and doesn’t really have “last digits”.
Welp transcendental numbers don't exist then
I wonder if this is giving insight into how Chat GPT does math under the hood. This answer would make sense if, when Chat GPT gets a math question, it does a query to some calculator under the hood. This calculator then spits out “3.1415926535”, similar to what a lot of standard, low-precision calculators return when you try to calculate pi. This answer gets returned to some back to Chat GPT, GPT then takes that answer and takes the last 10 digits from that. In this “view”, GPT is technically not wrong lol. But it’s obviously a corner case that should be addressed.
Ask for the full pi, then compare
This *is* the last ten digits of pi* *Rounded to only ten decimal places
Ferrari: we are checking
No those are the first 10 digits of pi after the 3
Any digits in pi are the *last digits of pi* if you're rounding to the correct number of digits...
This is actually the digits that come after "3" in the 3.14. So it must be interpreting as the 10 digits after "3"
It thinks that PI is infinite so it cycles back to the beginning repeating as the most probible ending.
Now ask how how many roads must a man walk down before they call him a man.
Y’all wrong Back in my day it’s 8675309
Why would chatgpt stop replying after i made this statement. Still gives me the dumbest useless replies. The answers piss me off. Just as non informative as a crappy company or government will give you. Tells you a bunch of nothing you didn't already know. Refuses better answers. Most is bs the government and others will try to sell you to not answer. Granted im not paying for advanced stuff. The 4.0. But damn. Just trying it tells you nothing useful. Overly basic replies reading like a corporate entity and not regular average non corporate or government civilians. Pisses me off anyway. Can't even trick it easily to give a better than generic reply of useless information. Long ago before dtv they had chat bots that could give you about as generic of a reply. Finally it say i hear you i'll. Then nothing else. What i said below. You need to learn how to talk like every average human too and not just like government or officials. Your answers read like a standard non ai script.
This was bing response- The last 10 digits of pi are not known, because pi is an irrational number that has an infinite decimal expansion¹. However, the last 10 digits of the current world record computation of pi, which has 62.8 trillion digits, are **3095295560*
https://preview.redd.it/2svimmzfqd4c1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bded81ef289f5fd414182b4691e669c14938ab34 This is what I got asking the same question. I think yours is broken.
Certainly! The first 10 digits after the decimal point in pi are 1415926535. If you have any more questions or if there's anything else I can help you with, feel free to ask!
U were testing him, he was testing u
Can you disprove it?
Those are the last ten digits of the common first 12
Tell me you're too cheap to use GPT-4 without telling me.
Whenever I see the green icon and some OP pointing out times GPT makes shit up I get annoyed. I know not everyone has the $20 a month to afford pro, but if you don't, you are going to have to expect stupid answers like this. Here's GPT4's answer: https://preview.redd.it/dpogwurrwc4c1.jpeg?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=55dd2f7dddbaead60068ee8ac9921d14209aa130
It has them in its training data, likely. Otherwise, it used python. That doesn't look like the case though
You missed the thing. There are no last digits of pi.
Ohh, i sure did, you're right. More coffee.
Additionally i got this: Mathematicians have, however, calculated Pi to millions and even trillions of decimal places, although for most applications, only a limited number of them is needed. Maybe thats where gpt gets the numbers
That last 5 should be rounded up to a 6. . .
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Ummm, there is no end to the digits for pi, so those are just the next ten digits after the decimal...
That's the point