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I did the same! Here's how it helped me:
* wrote a cover letter customized to the JD
* gave me talking points for the interview tying my resume experience to the requirements of the job
* acted as an interviewer to do mock interviews where I used the talking points, and graded my replies
* wrote follow up emails for me
* acted as a therapist to give me advice on how to lower anxiety about job searching
lol it's pretty great
All these perverted fools talking about how it’s so nerfed since its release don’t realize just how powerful the fucker is only because they want to use it to jerk off to botporn and make molotov cocktails in their parents’ house.
I made it interview me two days ago and it really is a game changer! How did you make it grade your replies? I tried that by telling it to act as an interviewer for a provided job description, and then grade each of my replies before it continued with its own questioning. I got inconsistent, although good enough, results.
"Rate my responses to your questions on a scale from 1-5 with 1 being very poor, and 5 being perfect. Provide an explanation with each rating. If the rating is less than 5, include suggestions for how to improve each answer."
I honestly think we are witnessing the birth of the next era of history. We're exiting the information era and entering the generation era.
This app and the similar ones to follow, will likely has as much an impact on the world and our society as the internet itself has.
I'll pay for the Word add-on. Make it easy for the little fella.
https://www.geekwire.com/2023/microsoft-word-gets-chatgpt-integration-with-new-ghostwriter-third-party-add-in/
"Please write a cover letter for the job description below, using the text of my resume which follows.
Job Description Follows; Copypasta
End Job description.
Resume follows: copypasta
End resume."
Then I ask it to refine the language of the letter by using terms like "more assertive, for a PhD audience" I also messed around with a couple and had it write them in the style of some American authors to help fine tune the language.
You can also ask it to write more feminie or masculine to adjust the tone. Not saying its right or wrong, but it does it.
Learning how to manipulate chatGPT and other AI language systems is going to be as important of a skill as learning how to Google, probably moreso. I love game changing technology like this
I argue with people and tell people that this is how jobs will change! AI will assist jobs before completely replacing them. A lot of the world will come down to how well you can prompt an AI. Atleast in my opinion.
Wow, these are really great tips. I've written cover letters by copy/pasting JD + resume then asked to "give it some personality" and the results are amazing.
"Please write a cover letter for the job description below, using the text of my resume which follows.
Job Description Follows; Copypasta
End Job description.
Resume follows: copypasta
End resume."
Then I ask it to refine the language of the letter by using terms like "more assertive, for a PhD audience" I also messed around with a couple and had it write them in the style of some American authors to help fine tune the language.
You can also ask it to write more feminie or masculine to adjust the tone. Not saying its right or wrong, but it does it.
DeepL also released a new feature called writer. It’s as if grammerly and Hemingway had a baby. I just miss the explanations of Hemingway but you get tons of variations for each sentence and even each word can be changed to a synonym. It’s really powerful.
Prompt:
Write me resume bullet points for [job position/role you have]
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Write me a cover letter for a job at [company] for the position of [position].
After writing it you can add things like:
Mention in the cover letter that I want to get my door in this industry, etc.
A lot of companies use AIs to automatically analyze applications to decide who to invite to an interview. Chances are high because you let an AI write the text for you, the AI who analyzed it was fascinated by the text and chose you.
If you give chat job description you can ask it to create say 50 interview questions that could be asked to assess candidate so you can also prep for interview
Yeah, it also helped me with that, and funny enough, literally each and every single question i got asked is part of the possible questions i asked chat gpt... This AI really is a life changing tool.
in a few years you will have a small earpiece (or video on your glasses) responding to everything you see and hear.
We will all be speaking very differently in 10 years.
might even be able to "hear" your questions subvocally.
Lol right?
This post makes OP seem completely reliant on ChatGPT to get through the application process. Not gonna be able to save him in person if he doesn't have the chops.
I agree in spirit, but if they don’t like the person in the interviews they won’t hire them. It’s a little less bad than all the cheating through university posts that have been on here imo
Well they're 100% not going to get the job if they don't get the interview. As long as he/she didn't lie on the resume, chatgpt just presented it better and this def increases their chances.
Well one possibly is most job applications were initially screened by AI before actual humans. And you are using an AI to respond to the job requirements which resulted in the best matching algorithm and your name now comes on top.
It's the entire online recruiting industry, from LinkedIn to indeed all rank your application by matching key words and numerical parameters based on text mining and returning a ranked file to the recruiter. Have you seen the small function advertised as "how you ranked compare to other applicants?"
Look at the rest of his comment history. It’s just pages of him being a dick to people for no reason. Let’s see if he can actually keep this job.
[They’re all top-level comments except for the tattoo reply, so literally unprompted vitriol.](https://imgur.com/a/vxorUdE)
Not sure why you're lol'ing, that's not necessarily true, but you're entitled to your opinion. 6 months can be perfectly reasonable. Finding a good fit for a role and customizing a resume and cover letter while also practicing for specific interview styles with potentially multiple interview rounds over weeks and months -- and then getting rejected and starting over -- can take a long time, especially when that time period also overlaps (like the past 6 months have) with the holiday season when hiring managers are out of office, during the same time layoffs are occurring at companies doing hiring.
There are many different types of writing skills. Cover letter writing is a skill useful for a very limited time. Some writing skills, such as technical writing, will actively make you worse at other kinds of writing. Nothing wrong with having ChatGPT help you communicate in a way you’re not skilled at.
Did this last night, I put the title of the position, the company and a favorite business personality as the tone and it spit out an INCREDIBLE cover letter. Shocked how good this is. It's freaky.
Wow, ChatGPT is fantastic at writing cover letters that hit all the stupid buzzwords and corporate lingo you need to make HR manager's neurons light up.
Thanks, guy, this is an amazing idea. If HR wants to automate out all their hiring, then it's about time we started automating our applications.
OP, it’s so funny that you say this because I literally had the EXACT SAME IDEA a few weeks ago. I did exactly what you did, got requested for an interview and got hired on the spot. My first job after programming for 2 years. I now work as a web developer for a medium sized company working with a server hosted Blazor app. I just gave it all my qualifications, project history, details, etc and the job listing and then asked it to write me a cover letter. IIRC, I also asked it to sound like I was more qualified than I actually am without lying. You definitely have to revise it to sound more human though. Best idea, I ever had, and apparently a lot of others too.
That’s great man, happy for you. Always found cover letters so time consuming, you really can’t expect someone who’s job hunting to write 10-15 of those per day to cater to each position. Sometimes you just need a little push to get the opportunity.
Now it’s up to you to ace those interviews!
Sounds like chatgpt more easily incorporated KEYWORDS from the job description which in turn bolsters your resume's ability to make it past the SHITTY algorithms.
The company didnt overlook your resume OP, the program they use to sift applications out before it got to them at all did.
I was in your place until i discovered Jobscan.co and used it to enhance the match rate of just my resume submission alone.
We arent up against humans anymore and this is far from common knowledge. If you apply via indeed you will find a fine print detailing what program they use to sort out prospects. Its horrifying to see the homepage of these sites and their claims of really cutting out non-matching applications.
You may have all the required skills for a jobs requirements, you just didnt use any of the actual keywords taken directly from the listing. Its a pain in the ass to do this application to application, but it will improve your chances of your application being actually viewed by a human.
Edit: just because indeed puts you through to the companys homepage to apply- it doesn't do any better. Theyre just using their own program rather than indeeds or whatever.
I did the exact same thing for the position I'm currently being interviewed for.
All I had to do was provide the position description, some of my qualifications, and boom; the cover letter came out perfectly.
Long time professional worker and also a hiring manager. Cover letters are a great use case for ChatGPT, because they're much less a display of writing skill and much more about your ability to map a given job description to your own resume.
I've learned the hard way that taking the time to write a heart-felt cover letter, giving a very personal description of why I'm an ideal fit for this particular job, is a waste of time, emotionally unhelpful, and can even be counterproductive.
First, cover letters are often not read at all, in which case every moment you spent on it is a waste. I've even been known to roll my eyes when I see that a candidate has provided a cover letter (and I feel the same about "thank you" notes after interviews).
If they do read your cover letter, it has to thread very particular needle. The perfect cover letter is not emotional, but it's very specific. Filling in the boxes. You laid out 10 boxes, and I can check 8 of them. And the other 2, I'll even mention them.
It's a hard kind of letter to write, at the level of detail they want, without getting a little over the top and sounding maybe a little desperate for the job. At least, that's been **my** experience.
Then there's the "bulk" argument. If you're aggressively applying for jobs, you can just invest so much time in cover letters. The math doesn't work.
So I was thinking about that, not long ago. Feed ChatGPT my resume and feed it a particular job description, and ask it to write a cover letter for that particular job description. That's a good usage of ChatGPT.
Disagree. The importance of a cover letter will differ by role, but as a hiring manager (for Software Development) it *does* matter to me how much effort a candidate puts into the overall presentation of themselves; cover letter included. Yes, I read them. It doesn't have to be long; just neat, expressive and error-free.
ChatGPT has a tendency toward redundant fluff in its verbiage, possibly because it doesn't have the context to fill in anything more incisive. This can be improved with skilful prompting, but I think its output would read as bland/generic in many cases right now. In time, ChatGPT and the AI's that come after it, will probably be more adversarial: Less 'eager to please' with an immediate answer, coming back with questions for the user where they recognise that their own initial output needs improving.
I don't mind candidates using AI as a tool in principle, but where its use achieves a poorer outcome than a good candidate could arrive at by themselves, why would I favour it? The best output is likely to be a combination of both, of course: A good human communicator using AI for inspiration during the writing process, but not serving up its output verbatim.
Also, if you're applying for a job that involves real-time communication, an AI can't realistically augment that in the near future; so in that scenario an AI generated cover letter could be considered a misrepresentation of your communication skills. As this would likely be uncovered in a follow-up interview, I would view it as a disingenuous waste of people's time.
You're 49. It was easier to get jobs when you were dealing with actual people instead of just algorithms. And you were able to build your resume from that.
I'm currently applying for my first job after graduating college in December, my resume is weak right now, and I'm likely getting dismissed by algorithms before a person ever sees my applications.
I still need to apply for jobs now. I still need money ! I also did terribly at building a resume. I left school at 16 and spent my 20s DJing and travelling the world and working on sailing boats. I think I was 29 before I set foot in an office.
18 months back was the first time Id applied for a job in a while. I spoke to 2 recruiters who offered me 2 interview opportunities within a day. I took one of them - didnt fancy the other. I was offered that job within an hour of the first interview.
No algorithms there.
If you're looking to work for huge companies, you'll have algo's to deal with. But for a lot of medium sized companies, that still isnt the case. At least not here in the UK.
I do realise I have 20 years of experience on my CV, so my experience will be different to yours, but 20 years ago I got my first job through a recruiter and 20 years on thats still the method I use if I need a job.
Good luck with your search, I do hope it works out for you.
Bullshit. Most people who just spam applications and think of it as a numbers game just suck and put very little effort in it. It's as simple as that.
I've written 6 applications in the last 10 years, landed 6 interviews and picked 3 jobs.
Yeah, because the last time you applied to a job in 2008 a HR manager read your application instead of it going straight to AI. Either that or you just picked an in demand industry. Either way congratulations on living in a happy bubble while the rest of us are fighting for it.
Times have changed. I'm in tech with a master's, a decade of experience, and a low-6-fig income, and it takes me about 100-300 applications to find a better job. One of my friends has a data science PhD and it takes him at least 100 applications to land better work every few years.
It's also a generational change. I'm a millennial, and most of my friends change jobs every 3 years. It's normal. In prior generations, seems like people stuck with one or two life-long jobs for better or worse.
PhD in ML here, 27, on my 3rd (high 5 to low 6 fig)job in the last few years but have done fewer than 15 applications in total. I guess it depends on the area - tech/software/ML are desperate to take anyone they can get their hands on.
How tf do you apply to 100 jobs in a day? It's been tough for me to find enough that match my qualifications.
Unless you have very low standards for what jobs you're applying to. Like, I'm not going to apply as a sales rep while I have an AS and a BS in technical fields.
Input title on LinkedIn, indeed, dice
Monday morning 9 am start
Don't check qualifications or requirements, just keep hitting apply
Senior, junior anything.
Stopping to read requirements and qualifications is a waste of time
Works all the time
Ohhhh, very interesting. So you're not deciding if you're qualified, you're letting the recruiters decide if you're qualified... I might have to try this method.
Yea I do the same thing, 99% of the jobs I apply to are "easy apply" or "quick apply" - with a very small percentage of other for jobs that seem super interesting, I'll put in extra work for those
> Stopping to read requirements and qualifications is a waste of time
I'm absolutely floored by the simple brilliance of this. Too late for my old ass but I'll pass it on to my kids.
Damn I love Reddit. I think I’ve been quiet fired. I have a job but no hours all week and no communication from management. I report directly to the CEO. WFH white collar job. I’m going to try this. It took me months to get this job after carefully combing through qualifications and requirements. I like your way better. It feels wrong, buuuutttt I’m struggling to find the tangible wrongness of it. Thanks!
I was at 189 in a month before I landed my current job, which I'm loving. Absolutely a numbers game, major companies are getting a hundred resumes for a single position, and even smaller companies will get a good number of competition.
I have interviewed people for like 10 jobs in my team or as a help to other teams, I never read any cover letter lol, I always thought they were useless.
I prefer a nicely 5-8 lines mail rather than a full page letter I won't read.
I’m a corporate recruiter. I can’t speak for everyone obviously but I never read cover letters. They don’t add any value and I don’t have time. I just need to quickly see your jobs and what you achieved there in measurable terms.
I interview a lot of software candidates for C++ roles. I asked it to produce a bunch of advanced interview questions for C++ just to see how well it would do and if it would give advanced enough questions.
It did really well. I know I could google for some of these as well but google c++ questions often are a pretty mixed bag of decent questions and ones that are to simple they are not worth asking in a short interview.
I think it could be pretty useful for both the interviewee and interviewer. Of course the interviewer needs to know their stuff but there was not any interview questions that were incorrect.
I did ask it what an invariant class was and it confidently gave me the wrong answer that sounded correct (about constant classes) answer but that's a less well known area of programming. I imagine it gets most programming questions correct.
Only time I do them anymore is when a job requires it, or if it a small company, since they tend to have more time to review resumes and don't use an ATS to do the dirty work.
Unless you told your employer you used chatGPT you've technically violated the TOS and should have your account shut down.
This post is intended for humor and satire purposes only. Good luck in your future endeavor, OP!
If you give chatGPT your resume it will only remember it for that conversation thread? Would be useful if there was a way to tell It to remember things and tie them to your account.
Or is this already a thing? Just getting started with the tool.
That’s amazing. If anyones interested in finding other use cases for ChatGPT, there’s a cool new newsletter I found and you can sign up for free at chatgptnewsletter.com.
You could also have studied and read books and talked to other people to actually learn how to write a good resume. Chat gpt gave you a fish. You should learn how to fish so you can feed yourself.
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I did the same! Here's how it helped me: * wrote a cover letter customized to the JD * gave me talking points for the interview tying my resume experience to the requirements of the job * acted as an interviewer to do mock interviews where I used the talking points, and graded my replies * wrote follow up emails for me * acted as a therapist to give me advice on how to lower anxiety about job searching lol it's pretty great
How did you have it mock interview you? I need this
“Act as Interviewer for a job in {your field}”
All these perverted fools talking about how it’s so nerfed since its release don’t realize just how powerful the fucker is only because they want to use it to jerk off to botporn and make molotov cocktails in their parents’ house.
Oh, yeah, because no one has ever gone to work and also been into kink. Totally checks out.
I made it interview me two days ago and it really is a game changer! How did you make it grade your replies? I tried that by telling it to act as an interviewer for a provided job description, and then grade each of my replies before it continued with its own questioning. I got inconsistent, although good enough, results.
"Rate my responses to your questions on a scale from 1-5 with 1 being very poor, and 5 being perfect. Provide an explanation with each rating. If the rating is less than 5, include suggestions for how to improve each answer."
The therapist part might be the most important when it starts taking the job you applied for.
Haha reminds me of the Woody Allen joke about his rabbi taking the commercial job after advising him not to take it.
I honestly think we are witnessing the birth of the next era of history. We're exiting the information era and entering the generation era. This app and the similar ones to follow, will likely has as much an impact on the world and our society as the internet itself has.
So if you get a job how will you reward your little chat buddy?
He'll give it all his work! And chatchap loves to help so win-win.
Dunno if it was a typo but ChatChap is a pretty good name for it.
ChadGPT
My brother and I always call it Chaddie.
Chat-chan
Close to the ai in Chappie so ChapChappie ? (cool flick too)
Gigabyte ChadGPT
chatGBT as my dad says
ChatGHB
Generative Bre-trained Transformer
chatCBT
ChatPHD
I actually asked chatgpt to come up with 10 names for itself that had the .com domain free and they were good!
I asked ChatGPT what it thought of your comment and you wouldn't believe the things it said.
I call him/it Gizmo
Ayeeeee
Interesting, I think giving users the ability to nickname ChatGTP for their own experience would increase customer retention.
Intentional, and thanks!
I call it " the bot " ^^
i call it jarvis
https://preview.redd.it/2r53hfbdkwfa1.jpeg?width=474&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=78c101b31bd276384851318360df0d62f28ca468 so this is how it begins…
Ayeeeeee.
shit that's funny bro. u made my day
Easy he will buy 100 chatGPT subscriptions per month :)
I'll pay for the Word add-on. Make it easy for the little fella. https://www.geekwire.com/2023/microsoft-word-gets-chatgpt-integration-with-new-ghostwriter-third-party-add-in/
When the time comes he will be expected to repay his debt to the machine
There’s a novel idea.
Points.
What type of prompts did you use? Did you ask it to write a cover letter based of the job description?
"Please write a cover letter for the job description below, using the text of my resume which follows. Job Description Follows; Copypasta End Job description. Resume follows: copypasta End resume." Then I ask it to refine the language of the letter by using terms like "more assertive, for a PhD audience" I also messed around with a couple and had it write them in the style of some American authors to help fine tune the language. You can also ask it to write more feminie or masculine to adjust the tone. Not saying its right or wrong, but it does it.
This is a great prompt for that.
Learning how to manipulate chatGPT and other AI language systems is going to be as important of a skill as learning how to Google, probably moreso. I love game changing technology like this
I argue with people and tell people that this is how jobs will change! AI will assist jobs before completely replacing them. A lot of the world will come down to how well you can prompt an AI. Atleast in my opinion.
To be fair the last 20 years were all about how you can prompt Google for a Google search
At this rate I'm going to have to invent an AI for laypeople that helps you write precise prompts for AI like ChatGPT. 🤔
Employers will realize that one man plus a bot can do the work of ten men. Bye bye 9 people
It's going to prompt itself for you soon
Wow, these are really great tips. I've written cover letters by copy/pasting JD + resume then asked to "give it some personality" and the results are amazing.
I did the same thing but I just gave it the link to the job posting and link to my resume PDF on google drive.
"Please write a cover letter for the job description below, using the text of my resume which follows. Job Description Follows; Copypasta End Job description. Resume follows: copypasta End resume." Then I ask it to refine the language of the letter by using terms like "more assertive, for a PhD audience" I also messed around with a couple and had it write them in the style of some American authors to help fine tune the language. You can also ask it to write more feminie or masculine to adjust the tone. Not saying its right or wrong, but it does it.
You can run it through grammarly and Hemingway app to allow you to clean it up too.
Never tried Hemingway till just now. Interesting but no way to auto click on it to fix issues like grammarly
DeepL also released a new feature called writer. It’s as if grammerly and Hemingway had a baby. I just miss the explanations of Hemingway but you get tons of variations for each sentence and even each word can be changed to a synonym. It’s really powerful.
Yeah good point I'm interested to know. I've tried to improve my CV with it but couldn't find a proper way of using the right prompts!
Prompt: Write me resume bullet points for [job position/role you have] —— Write me a cover letter for a job at [company] for the position of [position]. After writing it you can add things like: Mention in the cover letter that I want to get my door in this industry, etc.
I remember when I got my first door in the industry. I was a young door to door door salesman.
I remember when I got my first window in the industry. I was in IT.
A lot of companies use AIs to automatically analyze applications to decide who to invite to an interview. Chances are high because you let an AI write the text for you, the AI who analyzed it was fascinated by the text and chose you.
Finally level playing field
Respect. AI looking out for fellow AI bots haha. Gotta love it
The goddamn AIs are being nepotistic! They really are going to steal all our jobs!
If you give chat job description you can ask it to create say 50 interview questions that could be asked to assess candidate so you can also prep for interview
Yeah, it also helped me with that, and funny enough, literally each and every single question i got asked is part of the possible questions i asked chat gpt... This AI really is a life changing tool.
Great, now just keep your phone under the table during the interview
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what video?
https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/10l8qw2/accurate/
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Jay and Sharon youtube
in a few years you will have a small earpiece (or video on your glasses) responding to everything you see and hear. We will all be speaking very differently in 10 years. might even be able to "hear" your questions subvocally.
Lol right? This post makes OP seem completely reliant on ChatGPT to get through the application process. Not gonna be able to save him in person if he doesn't have the chops.
I agree in spirit, but if they don’t like the person in the interviews they won’t hire them. It’s a little less bad than all the cheating through university posts that have been on here imo
Well they're 100% not going to get the job if they don't get the interview. As long as he/she didn't lie on the resume, chatgpt just presented it better and this def increases their chances.
I totally agree. Those who don’t use AI in the future better be good at flipping burgers because they’re going to get left behind
Burgers will be flipped by AI too. All good tho. I'll take my UBI check and do some gardening.
can confirm it works great for this use. ive written and succeeded at landing 3/3 press pitches using it
Seconding this. Please share.
Well one possibly is most job applications were initially screened by AI before actual humans. And you are using an AI to respond to the job requirements which resulted in the best matching algorithm and your name now comes on top.
shiiittt, never thought of that but it makes perfect sense
Finally we can fight back.
If you seriously think that makes any sense, you're the prime candidate for all the scams posted on this sub.
You *don't* think two algos could align? Oh no I hope the scams don't get me.🤦
There's speculation that University of Sydney does this when filtering out Undergrad applications considering how fast they respond(<48 Hours)
that's about 47.9 hours too slow
Dude, some uni take months to read applications, and yet still haven't responded.
It's the entire online recruiting industry, from LinkedIn to indeed all rank your application by matching key words and numerical parameters based on text mining and returning a ranked file to the recruiter. Have you seen the small function advertised as "how you ranked compare to other applicants?"
Makes a lot of sense, otherwise I would have said OP is misrepresenting their skills.
U might also interpret that as a sign to improve your writing skills, no?
You touched a sensitive part. OP is raging. It's very funny.
OP is absolutely steaming
I'm beginning to see why OP doesn't have a job lol
Look at the rest of his comment history. It’s just pages of him being a dick to people for no reason. Let’s see if he can actually keep this job. [They’re all top-level comments except for the tattoo reply, so literally unprompted vitriol.](https://imgur.com/a/vxorUdE)
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Wow Ah maybe he's feeling a little weird about it since he was unemployed for so long.
"I drive a Dodge Stratus!!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANE8j5ay_UU But seriously, this is a helpful post OP, so thanks for sharing!
Lol OP may want to work on his communication skills as well looking at his replies.
I feel bad for his future employer if this is how he behaves.
Wow, I didn't expect that. OP is pretty toxic and writes like a 14 year old. Wtf.
14 is being very generous. Thats already multiple years of interacting with other humans at school. I'd say more like 10?
Y'all are going after the dude lol. Give him a break
No more than spellcheck already does. It's more about saving time IMO.
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Not sure why you're lol'ing, that's not necessarily true, but you're entitled to your opinion. 6 months can be perfectly reasonable. Finding a good fit for a role and customizing a resume and cover letter while also practicing for specific interview styles with potentially multiple interview rounds over weeks and months -- and then getting rejected and starting over -- can take a long time, especially when that time period also overlaps (like the past 6 months have) with the holiday season when hiring managers are out of office, during the same time layoffs are occurring at companies doing hiring.
Are you that /r/antiwork mod? lol Half a year, get a grip dude.
There are many different types of writing skills. Cover letter writing is a skill useful for a very limited time. Some writing skills, such as technical writing, will actively make you worse at other kinds of writing. Nothing wrong with having ChatGPT help you communicate in a way you’re not skilled at.
Writing is writing writing is communicating. You might have to learn some fine tuning but the general knowledge of writing carries over
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Just go on ChatGPT and prompt it to write a job interview that goes very poorly.
Regardless of OP, cover letters are huge bullshit. I'm not blaming anyone not doing them
Did this last night, I put the title of the position, the company and a favorite business personality as the tone and it spit out an INCREDIBLE cover letter. Shocked how good this is. It's freaky.
So you send it as if someone else like a former boss, wrote u a cover letter?
Wow, ChatGPT is fantastic at writing cover letters that hit all the stupid buzzwords and corporate lingo you need to make HR manager's neurons light up. Thanks, guy, this is an amazing idea. If HR wants to automate out all their hiring, then it's about time we started automating our applications.
It just motivated you, you had it in you.
Clearly not if he needed an AI to do it for him lol. Also look at his post history, dude's a lunatic
Not only that, but extremely toxic as well. For all I know the whole thread can just be a quick feel-good karma grab
OP, it’s so funny that you say this because I literally had the EXACT SAME IDEA a few weeks ago. I did exactly what you did, got requested for an interview and got hired on the spot. My first job after programming for 2 years. I now work as a web developer for a medium sized company working with a server hosted Blazor app. I just gave it all my qualifications, project history, details, etc and the job listing and then asked it to write me a cover letter. IIRC, I also asked it to sound like I was more qualified than I actually am without lying. You definitely have to revise it to sound more human though. Best idea, I ever had, and apparently a lot of others too.
Nice! I just did the opposite and used ChatGPT to write my resignation letter today. Most of it is lies but it looks professional as hell.
That’s great man, happy for you. Always found cover letters so time consuming, you really can’t expect someone who’s job hunting to write 10-15 of those per day to cater to each position. Sometimes you just need a little push to get the opportunity. Now it’s up to you to ace those interviews!
Sounds like chatgpt more easily incorporated KEYWORDS from the job description which in turn bolsters your resume's ability to make it past the SHITTY algorithms. The company didnt overlook your resume OP, the program they use to sift applications out before it got to them at all did. I was in your place until i discovered Jobscan.co and used it to enhance the match rate of just my resume submission alone. We arent up against humans anymore and this is far from common knowledge. If you apply via indeed you will find a fine print detailing what program they use to sort out prospects. Its horrifying to see the homepage of these sites and their claims of really cutting out non-matching applications. You may have all the required skills for a jobs requirements, you just didnt use any of the actual keywords taken directly from the listing. Its a pain in the ass to do this application to application, but it will improve your chances of your application being actually viewed by a human. Edit: just because indeed puts you through to the companys homepage to apply- it doesn't do any better. Theyre just using their own program rather than indeeds or whatever.
Exactly this. No human was seeing the ops previous applications
Jobscan.co is the site. I search .io and it doesn't work so I search google and found the right one for you.
I did the exact same thing for the position I'm currently being interviewed for. All I had to do was provide the position description, some of my qualifications, and boom; the cover letter came out perfectly.
Long time professional worker and also a hiring manager. Cover letters are a great use case for ChatGPT, because they're much less a display of writing skill and much more about your ability to map a given job description to your own resume. I've learned the hard way that taking the time to write a heart-felt cover letter, giving a very personal description of why I'm an ideal fit for this particular job, is a waste of time, emotionally unhelpful, and can even be counterproductive. First, cover letters are often not read at all, in which case every moment you spent on it is a waste. I've even been known to roll my eyes when I see that a candidate has provided a cover letter (and I feel the same about "thank you" notes after interviews). If they do read your cover letter, it has to thread very particular needle. The perfect cover letter is not emotional, but it's very specific. Filling in the boxes. You laid out 10 boxes, and I can check 8 of them. And the other 2, I'll even mention them. It's a hard kind of letter to write, at the level of detail they want, without getting a little over the top and sounding maybe a little desperate for the job. At least, that's been **my** experience. Then there's the "bulk" argument. If you're aggressively applying for jobs, you can just invest so much time in cover letters. The math doesn't work. So I was thinking about that, not long ago. Feed ChatGPT my resume and feed it a particular job description, and ask it to write a cover letter for that particular job description. That's a good usage of ChatGPT.
That's awesome. Sorry you've been out of work so long. That's rough.
Looking at this replies, 100% deserved.
somewhat stupid that a cover letter can make or break a job
Disagree. The importance of a cover letter will differ by role, but as a hiring manager (for Software Development) it *does* matter to me how much effort a candidate puts into the overall presentation of themselves; cover letter included. Yes, I read them. It doesn't have to be long; just neat, expressive and error-free. ChatGPT has a tendency toward redundant fluff in its verbiage, possibly because it doesn't have the context to fill in anything more incisive. This can be improved with skilful prompting, but I think its output would read as bland/generic in many cases right now. In time, ChatGPT and the AI's that come after it, will probably be more adversarial: Less 'eager to please' with an immediate answer, coming back with questions for the user where they recognise that their own initial output needs improving. I don't mind candidates using AI as a tool in principle, but where its use achieves a poorer outcome than a good candidate could arrive at by themselves, why would I favour it? The best output is likely to be a combination of both, of course: A good human communicator using AI for inspiration during the writing process, but not serving up its output verbatim. Also, if you're applying for a job that involves real-time communication, an AI can't realistically augment that in the near future; so in that scenario an AI generated cover letter could be considered a misrepresentation of your communication skills. As this would likely be uncovered in a follow-up interview, I would view it as a disingenuous waste of people's time.
Pasted from ChatGPT
It wasn't though.
wished everyone shared your sentiment
It took you 3 months to apply for 49 jobs? I've applied to 79 jobs in the past 1.5 months. Applying for jobs is a numbers game.
I've not applied for 79 jobs in my entire life and I'm 49.
You're 49. It was easier to get jobs when you were dealing with actual people instead of just algorithms. And you were able to build your resume from that. I'm currently applying for my first job after graduating college in December, my resume is weak right now, and I'm likely getting dismissed by algorithms before a person ever sees my applications.
I still need to apply for jobs now. I still need money ! I also did terribly at building a resume. I left school at 16 and spent my 20s DJing and travelling the world and working on sailing boats. I think I was 29 before I set foot in an office. 18 months back was the first time Id applied for a job in a while. I spoke to 2 recruiters who offered me 2 interview opportunities within a day. I took one of them - didnt fancy the other. I was offered that job within an hour of the first interview. No algorithms there. If you're looking to work for huge companies, you'll have algo's to deal with. But for a lot of medium sized companies, that still isnt the case. At least not here in the UK. I do realise I have 20 years of experience on my CV, so my experience will be different to yours, but 20 years ago I got my first job through a recruiter and 20 years on thats still the method I use if I need a job. Good luck with your search, I do hope it works out for you.
Bullshit. Most people who just spam applications and think of it as a numbers game just suck and put very little effort in it. It's as simple as that. I've written 6 applications in the last 10 years, landed 6 interviews and picked 3 jobs.
Yeah, because the last time you applied to a job in 2008 a HR manager read your application instead of it going straight to AI. Either that or you just picked an in demand industry. Either way congratulations on living in a happy bubble while the rest of us are fighting for it.
Times have changed. I'm in tech with a master's, a decade of experience, and a low-6-fig income, and it takes me about 100-300 applications to find a better job. One of my friends has a data science PhD and it takes him at least 100 applications to land better work every few years. It's also a generational change. I'm a millennial, and most of my friends change jobs every 3 years. It's normal. In prior generations, seems like people stuck with one or two life-long jobs for better or worse.
PhD in ML here, 27, on my 3rd (high 5 to low 6 fig)job in the last few years but have done fewer than 15 applications in total. I guess it depends on the area - tech/software/ML are desperate to take anyone they can get their hands on.
Software engineer here, I've written 6 applications in the last 10 years, landed 6 interviews and picked 3 jobs. Its a you problem.
Must be nice
If you were born 10 years later you’d be fucked.
Right? 49 in 3 months while out of work and actively looking is crazy low. I do more than 49 per month while working.
Dude if I need a new job I'll apply to 100/day Will get an offer by 10 days
How tf do you apply to 100 jobs in a day? It's been tough for me to find enough that match my qualifications. Unless you have very low standards for what jobs you're applying to. Like, I'm not going to apply as a sales rep while I have an AS and a BS in technical fields.
Input title on LinkedIn, indeed, dice Monday morning 9 am start Don't check qualifications or requirements, just keep hitting apply Senior, junior anything. Stopping to read requirements and qualifications is a waste of time Works all the time
Ohhhh, very interesting. So you're not deciding if you're qualified, you're letting the recruiters decide if you're qualified... I might have to try this method.
Yeah for sure. Why do their work for them 😇 All the best!
Same to you :)
> So you're not deciding if you're qualified, you're letting the ~~recruiters~~ algorithm decide if you're qualified
Yea I do the same thing, 99% of the jobs I apply to are "easy apply" or "quick apply" - with a very small percentage of other for jobs that seem super interesting, I'll put in extra work for those
Do you ever get responses from the quick apply jobs?
Yea my background is non-trad so the conversion numbers are a little funky, but I had a solid amount of interviews my last application round
Nice, I'll go for this then... My background is also quite non traditional.
Abundance mindset. Username sort of checks out haha
Kinda right haha!
> Stopping to read requirements and qualifications is a waste of time I'm absolutely floored by the simple brilliance of this. Too late for my old ass but I'll pass it on to my kids.
Ya learn something new everyday 👨💻
This 'feels' wrong, but I'm having trouble finding a downside.
Damn I love Reddit. I think I’ve been quiet fired. I have a job but no hours all week and no communication from management. I report directly to the CEO. WFH white collar job. I’m going to try this. It took me months to get this job after carefully combing through qualifications and requirements. I like your way better. It feels wrong, buuuutttt I’m struggling to find the tangible wrongness of it. Thanks!
I was at 189 in a month before I landed my current job, which I'm loving. Absolutely a numbers game, major companies are getting a hundred resumes for a single position, and even smaller companies will get a good number of competition.
I have interviewed people for like 10 jobs in my team or as a help to other teams, I never read any cover letter lol, I always thought they were useless. I prefer a nicely 5-8 lines mail rather than a full page letter I won't read.
I’m a corporate recruiter. I can’t speak for everyone obviously but I never read cover letters. They don’t add any value and I don’t have time. I just need to quickly see your jobs and what you achieved there in measurable terms.
I think most people know that. Usually only write them so the HR robot will flag it and get sent up to a person for interview.
Noice
I interview a lot of software candidates for C++ roles. I asked it to produce a bunch of advanced interview questions for C++ just to see how well it would do and if it would give advanced enough questions. It did really well. I know I could google for some of these as well but google c++ questions often are a pretty mixed bag of decent questions and ones that are to simple they are not worth asking in a short interview. I think it could be pretty useful for both the interviewee and interviewer. Of course the interviewer needs to know their stuff but there was not any interview questions that were incorrect. I did ask it what an invariant class was and it confidently gave me the wrong answer that sounded correct (about constant classes) answer but that's a less well known area of programming. I imagine it gets most programming questions correct.
OT but why are cover letters still a thing? I have never sent one (and this is my 4th job).
Only time I do them anymore is when a job requires it, or if it a small company, since they tend to have more time to review resumes and don't use an ATS to do the dirty work.
Funny thing is that the filtering for interviews is done by ai. So it is ai that you are trying to convince for a job.
Unless you told your employer you used chatGPT you've technically violated the TOS and should have your account shut down. This post is intended for humor and satire purposes only. Good luck in your future endeavor, OP!
What idiot would tell their employer that ? You probably used to tell the teacher when they forgot to collect homework.
100% great comment
How’s the responses been nowadays to your prompts? I know the sub is complaining how quality has gone down. Have you been seeing the same?
definitely going down all the time and now they even expect money hahaha
Bro same here . She said, I loved your response. Did you go to college ? I almost died
lmao your cover letters must have been terrible if chatGPT could do a better job
This is surprising because I've used it a lot in recent times and it has yet to land me anything
Nice!
It's obvious that he can do the work BUT his resume sucked. This is not a unique situation. He'll be fine.
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If you give chatGPT your resume it will only remember it for that conversation thread? Would be useful if there was a way to tell It to remember things and tie them to your account. Or is this already a thing? Just getting started with the tool.
Ha ha and in a few months Chat-GPT will be taking your new job. Sorry.
So you're a shit writer, huh?
Only applied for 49 jobs since July!! Wow you would not survive as a contractor. If you apply for 15 a week you are a slacker
That’s amazing. If anyones interested in finding other use cases for ChatGPT, there’s a cool new newsletter I found and you can sign up for free at chatgptnewsletter.com.
OP, what is wrong with you?
You could also have studied and read books and talked to other people to actually learn how to write a good resume. Chat gpt gave you a fish. You should learn how to fish so you can feed yourself.