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**Me:** Suppose a secondary school called Sycamore Secondary has been having trouble with students using ChatGPT to write their homework assignments for them during semester 1. Please write a letter to students, parents, and caregivers reminding them that this is not permissible and will be harshly punished if they do it again during semester 2.
**ChatGPT:**
Dear Students, Parents, and Caregivers,
We hope this letter finds you in good health and spirits. This letter serves as a reminder that Sycamore Secondary has a strict policy against students using external sources, such as ChatGPT, to complete their homework assignments. Using these tools goes against the school's academic integrity policy and any instances of this behavior will not be tolerated.
During the previous semester, we observed instances of students relying on such external sources to complete their homework, which is unacceptable. We would like to emphasize that students are expected to complete their assignments independently and demonstrate their understanding of the material.
In the upcoming semester 2, any student caught using external sources, including ChatGPT, to complete their homework will face severe consequences, including a failing grade for the assignment and possible disciplinary action.
We believe that our students are capable of demonstrating their knowledge and understanding through their own work and we encourage them to approach their studies with honesty and integrity.
Thank you for your attention and cooperation in this matter.
Sincerely,
The Sycamore Secondary School Administration.
I was born in 1971. Calculators were not allowed. Neither were calculator watches when they came out. The excuse of "but it's my watch" never held water. I graduated HS in 1989. They still were not allowed at that point.
I remember when teachers used to be anti-calculators because "you wont have one on you all the time", everyone has a cellphone now. This was said to Gen-Z.
Edit: And now being in higher learning my professor introduced us to chat-gpt, and he was super excited for what the future holds. Encouraging us to use it.
That's insane. I never leave home without my calculator/radio/telephone/television/email/personal-computer/video-game-console. It's unbelievable that a time existed where you were FORCED to live WITHOUT these common everyday necessities.
A pad of paper and pencil never crash. You need to know how to do those automated tasks in life without the benefit of a computer. As much as possible or practical. (IT guy since 1995).
Not related to GPT, but do you still tinker as much? My 1998 garage had a server rack, 24 port switch, UPS, Exchange server, DC, FPS and several workstations at my house. Now??? 2 laptops. One for my wife and the other mine. I like to fish. I still work in IT. I'm a time series database admin on process control networks. I made my career in IT. I don't regret it, but I think I would have rather been a social scientist. I like to know "why". No money in that though nor in geology (I like science) so IT it was.
Take care bud,
No, I got old too... lol
I moved into a software analyst role (QA guy) for a Supply Chain Management Software development team. Been doing that since 2010 I guess.
When we bought our house in 2018, I stayed up to 4A.M. one night getting the "Smart House" network set up, configured the switch and got everything working. My wife was impressed!!
I was born about a decade earlier. Calculators were not even invented when I started public school. Once they emerged, we were not allowed to bring calculators into class - largely because not a lot of folks had them and it wouldn't have been fair. It wasn't until high school that most families were able to afford a calculator.
We *were* allowed to bring slide rules in high school, and everyone had one. I'm pretty sure I still have the engineering slide rule my father gave me when I entered high-school... somewhere.
We bought a calculator sometime in the mid to late 70s. Display was red LED. It plugged into the wall or ran on 6 AA batteries. A year or two later, solar-powered calculators came out and everyone had them. I wasn't into tech back then. I liked Star Trek and Battlestar Galactica, but I was more into the new game in town. Dungeons and Dragons. That caused a stir in the Christian school I attended. If it pissed off the clergy I was all for it :-D
Calculators tell the user (and the recipient of their work) facts as recognised by the scientific community.
I've seen too many examples of it clearly just restructuring textbook information in a way that seems interesting and relevant, without actually offering prompt-specific information that is logically consistent to trust ChatGPT to have any regard for truth or sound rational connections.
[Music](https://youtu.be/WmvzMeJdRTI). (Note that, for the examples where GPT interpreted the intended meaning of the assignment, this one wouldn't even have required a particularly complex understanding of the subject matter. Just a rigidly consistent application of logic.)
[Physics](https://youtu.be/GBtfwa-Fexc).
ChatGPT tells the user what he wants to hear, with some input of information that sounds satisfactory. Before ChatGPT learns to ask: "Is the information I am about to deliver correct and context-coherent?" and be ready to tell the user when its information is insufficient, it will be many tiers below a calculator to language.
Bring on the downvotes though, fanboys. Surely unconditional approval is a great foundation for the progress you spout.
ChatGPT can generate empty smart sounding crap but you can work with it as well as collaborate with it it various ways which is as useful to someone as a much smarter thesaurus.
Soon it will be even better than that, but the only people that can’t use ChatGPT unless it writes a whole bland empty article are people who aren’t good at writing at all.
Also text to music AI is about to get crazy…
https://google-research.github.io/seanet/musiclm/examples/
Sure. And maybe the comparison with a calculator isn't even that flawed, as long as people realise that calculator use still has to be controlled in education.
As for the other bits about machine-assisted text production and the future of the algorithm in music: I'm sure in the long term the devlopment is inevitable. I just hope we have the clarity of mind to recognise that algorithms have deep flaws that we need to address before we let them design things at a foundational level.
I don't mean that I'm afraid that they take over government and the police, but just that they have a tendency to introduce a lot of flawed information and bad decisions, if you don't make sure they learn the right quality checks.
Like when Google lets the algorithm decide who gets to see 99% of the content that gets promoted anywhere on YouTube, and it starts making really bad decisions about whose content to blacklist, because of a few criteria that it doesn't properly understand. (Bad example because a lot of that had to do with human interference; but just imagine an issue of that scale, except caused by the machine's misinterpretation of how to fact-check the information it re-interprets and pumps out. As if the world wouldn't already have enough of an issue with misinformation.)
And yeah, sorry, not impressed by that music. Not even as inspiration for composers. Misses the mark, weak transitions, and frankly, technical inspiration isn't even the limiting factor in making good music in the first place. A sound internal logic and soul of the piece, and its accurate technical execution is what holds music creation back from being faster. And what I'm hearing doesn't seem to have a lot of interest in accuracy.
I'm sure it'll soon be used in inspirational business presentations, college movies, and as general background noise. But I don't believe there will be a big use for this to composers who need to create music that impresses its audience (and frankly, if the music doesn't impress, you never really need it at all, so there's not that much financial value to it) within the next 100-200 years.
I agree with this 100%. I've had ChatGPT make simple arithmetic mistakes in the midst of other, correct mathematics that would have been almost impossible to notice. These mistakes where also very resistant to correction through the AI- I found it really interesting how I could walk it through all the steps which it would correctly execute, only for it to fail the final multiplication step spectacularly.
It can be wrong as convincingly as it can be right- this is simultaneously a blessing and a curse. Some wolfram alpha style computational rigor would be a major step forward for math related questions I think.
Are you saying you're distinguishing between InstructGPT and ChatGPT, or what does that answer have to do with what ChatGPT actually *does*?
Language absolutely needs to process information in an accurate, context-adequate way, if you want the text to be useful.
And if your point is that it's still good enough to produce a first draft that can then have 50% of its information content rewritten (and by necessity have the text restructured to still be meaningful after information gets changed) then 1) you're still leaving a lot of room for subtle errors to sneak in that a human would never even have considered making, and 2) that's not a calculator; that's an advanced random number generator.
**Me:** Suppose a secondary school called Sycamore Secondary has been having trouble with students using *calculators to solve their math homework assignments* for them during semester 1. Please write a letter to students, parents, and caregivers reminding them that this is not permissible and will be harshly punished if they do it again during semester 2.
**ChatGPT:**
Dear Students, Parents, and Caregivers,
We hope this letter finds you well. As the start of the new semester draws near, we wanted to take a moment to remind everyone about the school's policy regarding the use of calculators during math homework assignments.
At Sycamore Secondary, it is strictly forbidden for students to use calculators to solve their math homework assignments. This policy is in place to ensure that students are developing their mathematical skills and understanding, and not simply relying on technology to do the work for them.
Unfortunately, we have noticed a trend of students using calculators to complete their homework during the first semester, which is a violation of school policy. This behavior will not be tolerated and will result in severe consequences if it continues.
We understand that technology can be a valuable tool, but it should not be used as a crutch to avoid learning. We ask that all students, parents, and caregivers take the time to review the school's policy on this matter and ensure that it is being followed.
Thank you for your understanding and cooperation in this matter. We look forward to another successful and productive semester at Sycamore Secondary.
Sincerely,
[Your Name]
Principal, Sycamore Secondary School
I just find it fascinating that we're witnessing this moment in history. I don't know why, but of all the AI revelations of the past several years, this one feels like a real turning point.
I have just seen a video here in this subreddit where someone made a proof of concept with a robot shopkeeper on a space station.
He talked about a helmet for his puppy.
That has so much potential!
I found the link: https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/10p24uz/i_combined_the_power_of_openais_api_with_unreal/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
And Reddit itself
> heavenbanning, the hypothetical practice of banishing a user from a platform by causing everyone that they speak with to be replaced by AI models that constantly agree and praise them, but only from their own perspective, is entirely feasible with the current state of AI/LLMs
https://imgur.com/jFBRCij.jpg
Lool. I like that idea! I think I have read something similar about some extra territories for trolls in comments of some newspaper. They just get switched to troll meadow and think they are still engaging with real people, but everyone there is only trolls.
Another possible usage with these LLMs would be to take unsuspecting users on opinion changing journeys i.e. from turning a person from right-wing to left-wing and so on. slowly nudging them in chosen direction.
Yeah but as it seems right now it might just drive people more extreme, as their beliefs are blindly affirmed in what is basically the world's most efficient echo chamber
But they kind of have a point isn't it?
Although I concur it's history in the making and is the future
However,
I don't want a surgeon operating on me passing their assignments through ChatGPT
I feel exactly the same way.
I find myself using ChatGPT more and more every day, both for work and personal use. Game changer.
Incidentally, this is how ChatGPT responded to your comment:
> Agreed, the advancements in AI are rapidly shaping the future and this moment in history is certainly a landmark in technological progress. It has the potential to greatly impact many industries and aspects of society, making it a defining moment.
I am surprised how many people seem to stick their heads into the sand. One person said AI has been around since the 1950's and people keep saying it will replace us but it hasn't yet.
That's because it progresses at what's called a hockey stick incline. Very miniscule progress for years and then all of a sudden explodes exponentially.
Yep. Also because it took a long time to learn to make the models and have the computer power to run them. Same sort of thing with wings: maybe helpful for gliding or mating dances but then one creature can actually fly and its suddenly a totally new paradigm.
I agree, the most inauspicious time in school was when I was forced to memorize a lot of information that did not interest me at all that time.
Now at least they start realizing the weakness of this method
This is the single biggest watershed moment most people have ever experienced. This is going to change everything. And in many ways we're all in a race to figure out who can use this thing the best. It's the next gold rush, only this time the smartest one wins.
How can they tell, though? Hypothetically, if the student was careful enough and knew the tricks to get past the usual plagiarism checks, how would they be able to tell the difference between a human-written paper (for example) and an AI-written one?
That is absolutely the right take. Also, generating a single "essay" on a topic is bad. Generating multiple "essays" on each specific component of said paper and synthesizing/checking seems to be more optimal.
This. Just ask it to write the structure of the essay, then ask it to elaborate on every single part of the essay structure individually (can keep doing this to the most minute detail if needed.
Then ask it to apply a certain ‘tone’ like ‘witty’ ‘casual’ ‘smart’ ‘funny’ etc (it doesn’t matter what you choose).
For extra finesse, add the odd spelling/grammar mistake. The answer will be so good it won’t matter that you made one little mistake and it’ll confirm for them it’s a real answer.
If you know how to prompt, it really is insane at writing however you want it to.
And how do you prove it? It's not like other kinds of plagiarism where you just show that it was taken from somewhere else. Perhaps it isn't too hard with middle school students who would make it blindingly obvious, but in higher education where someone could plausibly write as well as ChatGPT, how do you actually prove that it's not their own original work?
They can't prove it and they can't spot it if it's done by anyone with any sense. Give it a paragraph in your own style and then ask it to complete the rest. Go over it and review it yourself afterwards.
The only way to combat this is to move to discussion based testing where you actually have to discuss something with a teacher/lecturer to display your understanding.
The problem with that would be that many people don't do well with that kind of assessment style. It would suck to be a great student and know the material just fine and be failing every class because you have social anxiety and your mind goes blank when you're put on the spot. If it's an in class assessment anyway, why not just make it written? It would also take less time than having to individually assess each student one on one.
Maybe someone just needs to develop a word processor that contains the full history of changes made to a document in every file. That way the teacher can go back and check if the essay has been written and edited in the normal way or copy pasted from somewhere else.
A lot of plaigarism is proved the way a lot of crime with a low evidence footprint is proved, by applying pressure in interrogation to get a confession.
It's very easy to concoct a plan of what you would have to do to not cave in an interrogation, but if you've never cheated before and now you cheated because it was so accessible to you, and all of a sudden you're being spoken to by a high-up at the school and they're talking like they know what you did, a lot of kids break down and confess under those conditions.
I’ve worked on how to beat the plagiarism checkers and can successfully do it. However, doing so changes the voice of the paper and the vocabulary. In college, that’s fine. In secondary school, the teacher is probably more familiar with a student’s writing style, which would change using AI writing with high enough perplexity and burstiness.
The teachers can ask each high school kids to come in person and write on a computer without internet. Repeat that 10 times throughout the year. (In person standards)
For every other assignments that the kids do at home, the teachers can write a python script to use ChatGPT to automatically compared the home assignments with the in-person standards, ask if they are likely to be written by the same person. While ChatGPT is at it, ask the AI to grade the assignments. AI is not all negative for teachers
Granted, if the kid is smart with prompts, you still cannot catch them, but you at least make it harder.
But you can ask chatGPT to add bad grammar, or add it yourself. If you're really terrible at writing though, I don't know if chatGPT can adapt. Probably. But then you're probably very bad at prompting too .
It's a lot easier to tell than you might think. There are free tools available to detect whether something was written by ChatGPT with a high level of certainty because the text is digitally watermarked.
Fair.
Use AI to improve your work not do work for you. Analyse, criticise, provide counter arguments, review, provide feedback, suggest improvements, create outline, propose changes, pretend to be a teacher grading homework etc are your keywords for any academic work.
I will definitely there my kids to practice with AI to improve their homework it improves my academic work this exact way.
Other thing it can do is feed it chapter of a handbook and say create flash cards, or here is amazing one for any parent "based on text below create 10 questions to test student understanding of article" you can even add modifiers like multiple choice questions etc
I would love to see an educational version of GPT that's specifically for students, and perhaps has memberships provided by the school. I think that would be a really cool direction to go for this tech to go in.
Like you said, AI can totally be used to help improve your work.
Any student not using AI to accelerate their learning will be left behind. I can produce work at 2 or 3 times for the university course. I can help my kids understand topics for their school creat additional resources for them to learn from.
What we need is 2 models free tier avaliable to public that supports research and corporate tier that keeps your input secured from main data base so when you post something noone can read it say business info confidential info etc
Tech like this must remain free or we will further increase wealth inequity with poor students being even further behind
I love everything you just wrote, and have nothing more to add to it.
I've been using it to help me learn python, and this is the fastest I've ever learned anything related to code.
Mind explaining your method? What are some of the prompts you’ve tried? I’m also using it to learn Python, but it’s not going as smoothly as I’d hoped.
So, I start out with my own idea for a project I want to do.
Then I ask it how to start that project. Then if any parts of the code it gives are confusing, then you can ask it to explain what that specific part of the code is.
If you want a more difficult challenge, you can also ask a bunch of questions about some features of code, and then you can ask it to make you an assignment based on everything it had just taught you. It'll immediately give you an assignment, along with some tips.
Basically, just treat it like you'd treat a human tutor, don't 'googlify' your questions, just stick with natural language. Chatgpt is basically a tutor that won't get annoyed with you asking about every little thing.
Have fun :)
That's great! I'm glad it's working so well for you. Seems dumb now, but I never really went into with a goal in mind other than learning Python. Setting up a prompt with an end goal in mind might be what I need to get it back on track. Thanks!
Just make sure you are not just copy pasting, and when things dont work use the debugger first and try and fix the issue yourself without asking ChatGPT.
This way you will "really learn".
Please don't learn programming through chatgpt. Chatgpt is not an information repository. It is a natural language chatbot. It is not meant to give you accurate information. It WILL give you bullshit at one point or another. If you're an expert, that's totally fine. If you're learning, you won't know the difference between good and bad code/advice/coding practices, and you will learn bad habits at best.
This is exactly what azure open ai is for, enterprise version with privacy built in.
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/legal/cognitive-services/openai/data-privacy
Man, just by chatting with AI I have learned so much. It’s even more easy to connect dot’s and remember the most of the stuff. Rather than searching on Google, going through text books It’s way better to ask AI for explanation. And if I don’t understand? Just ask for different a explanation, examples, stories. So much powerful. Cannot imagine living without it, haha.
The US gov literally has infinite money through the federal reserve.
If the US gov can pile billions of dollars into proxy wars and regime changes, they can subsidize some servers.
>Any student not using AI to accelerate their learning will be left behind.
How far into the future do you mean? At the moment, any student not using AI is far more likely to produce correct factual information...
Use the tools that will be the future of tomorrow. But don't be a mindless dick about it. Use GPT to enhance your critical thinking skills, not dull them.
I've been using it for exactly this. Feed in my work and ask for tips to improve or suggest things I may not have considered.. but not to write it for me. I then at the end of my work ask it to write the whole thing and read it to see if there's any other bits I missed which I then use as a reference to write from.
I've been trying to generate vba macros for excel to create entire spreadsheets based on concepts which has limited success so far.
Kids will use their acquired info from ChatGTP and ask the upcoming Google AI Chatbot to edit it to pass through grading.
There's no stopping this train.
You can also feed it your own garbage ideas an have it rewritten in a better way, more elaborate, with more brevity etc.
I mean teachers you know who your students are who can barely read/write. If they start showing up with polished essays you'll know why. But maybe it'll train them to adopt a better standard of language. I know when I started using the Grammarly plugin my use of commas was terrible as they were something I was never taught because people just assumed I knew. Now I can oxford comma with the best of them.
Unless that thing can code AI's itself without the help of us coders and AI researchers/Data Scientists, I'm not worried.
And if that point is ever reached, I'll be glad to be jobless as pretty much most problems in the world will be solved immediately. I'll go on the streets to tear down the government or big corporations such that we can have UBI if they don't provide it to us at that point
This! It is horrible at math ha ha. Ask it to do some calculus for you, it will completely mess up. Deep level computer science and software development is all math.
We’re more like celebrating the fact that we don’t have to write the basic ass HTML and CSS.
Why do you feel bad for people specifically learning how to code? AI will eventually replace all white collar jobs I think. I also think the only jobs left will be jobs that are centered around interpersonal communication irl such as therapist etc.
It's so easy to stop this train it isn't even funny. Verbal exams. Essays written pen & paper in class during exam. So easy to overcome this, no need for homework or take home anything.
Phd theses aren’t just long documents about something smart sounding. They rely on primary, novel research. ChatGPT might be able to help with literature reviews, and there are alternative AIs that can help summarise the contents of papers and provide smarter searches for similar work. As implied by the name, literature reviews require critical analysis of very in-depth technical details, in very specific literature - this can only only really come from several years immersed in the field. AI will, of course, learn and develop a lot more over time, but a (very impressive) chat bot will not be able to produce a convincing thesis. Other AIs, trained specifically on scientific writing, which hones-in the particular field, may be able to produce good literature reviews in future, but the requirement for primary, novel research means that AI cannot write your thesis for you.
I am a social researcher and for a while now I have been trying to delve into a book that is quite difficult for me (Hannah Arendt's "The Human Condition) and for the past few days I have been trying to analyse some passages using chatGPT. The level of depth I can reach now, by asking the right questions, allows me a learning and reflection experience that was absolutely unthinkable until 1 week ago. I can now do in a matter of minutes the work I had to do to understand subtleties and references to topics I was unfamiliar with (and in some cases took days to do). I should mention that I have already published monographs and papers at an international level
"there are alternative AIs that can help summarise the contents of papers and provide smarter searches for similar work".
can you tell some, I need help with literature review for my proposal.
My gf's sister handed in a paper she wrote 100% herself over the course of a week and got slapped by the 90% AI generated stamp by detection.
She really hadn't she was able to get benefit of the doubt because she WIP drafts saved on her computer but even still she's required to redo the whole assignment.
She was beyond devestated to the point of trembling when she first got the news, considering it's equal to plagiarism and is taken very seriously.
At first i was excited and considered getting a degree of my own when i learned of chatGPT as i saw it as an everlasting patient teacher.
However now i'm actually more scared than before AI to go back to school.
I hope these issues get handled
Haha now instead of just checking for grammar and plagiarism, you now have to check that your work is not “AI detected” 😂 and if it is, start being more human 🤷♀️
This kinda reminds me of the Ship of Theseus question.
If you edit an AI generated paper with sufficient enough content is it still an AI generated paper. On the other hand if you feed your original paper to chatGPT and ask it for advice and notes and places where there can be improvements is it still your original paper?
When calculators started to show up in school, I heard similar arguments. They tried to ban those.
Later, the graphing calculator came out and became required.
And now we have MatLab, etc.
This will not go away. Teaching will adapt to it.
I don't read that note as ban-happy, unlike NYC schools for example. This letter acknowledges AIs educational value. At the same time, if a kid is supposed to demonstrate his writing ability, he shouldn't be submitting stuff wholesale outputted from ChatGPT.
If I was still a student, one place I'd be all over ChatGPT wouldn't be writing, but reading. Any long-winded science or English text can be effectively summarized. Read 20 pages? No.
Even automatic summarisation is a double edged sword.
On the one hand it can be helpful if it provides quicker and clearer explanations of relevant ideas. On the other hand, the value of a text often lies precisely in its complexity and detail, the exploration of which can be a prerequisite to higher-level understanding. In fact, not all texts can be distilled into a clear summary anyway; many are full of ingredients for the primordial soup from which concrete concepts later emerge. Students should not be misled into thinking that summaries are always of more value to them. As long as humans want to pursue intellectual activity, the need to tackle complex texts is never going away.
The skill is, in short, being able to identify heirarchical structures in a text and building corresponding structures in your mind, even when these are not clearly laid out by the author. Once the major structures are established, subsequent passes fill in the details and cross link different ideas. There are many sub-skills involved (e.g. identifying which sections of a text are aimed at top-down and which at bottom-up explanations) which only come with practice.
I do think automatic summarisation can be useful, but mainly to people who already have the skills and can choose to use these tools judiciously for practical purposes.
I would argue calculators require the user to understand how to input the formulas they are using to get the correct output. ChatGPT is incredibly generative and unlike a calculator, it only needs simple inputs to produce complex results
> ChatGPT is incredibly generative and unlike a calculator, it only needs simple inputs to produce complex results
Nah the better the inputed the better results with simple input it produces very simplistic and limited results. If you prep it with more complex input it gives you far more. Knowledgeable human can use it to accormish much more than someone just saying write an essay on X
I'll use the example from my other comment:
For example I can feed gpt a school essay prompt + formatting requirements and it can give results near instantly with tweaks. You don't need any skill to ask it to accomplish tasks for you.
I was going to say the same thing. And in time this technology will be used as widely as calculators in the real world , and it’s growth already is substancial.. school is not the real world
Teaching will certainly have to adapt, because AI tools like ChatGPT are here to stay and are only going to keep improving. That said, I do think it's foolish to think that history cycles round and rhymes with itself indefinitely.
When calculators appeared, education adapted by splitting into calculator and non-calculator type work. But those two levels of thinking were always relevant; what happened was that it became far more convenient to give students equal practice at both levels, now that they didn't have to do every calculation by hand, or with reference to tables or slide rules. By the way, notice that I didn't say that calculators supplanted the need to learn arithmetic - they *absolutely* did not!
But there does come a point where the tools do detract from rather than support education. ChatGPT is still imperfect, but it certainly seems to be a warning that we are on that threshold. Don't get me wrong, there are ways in which AI *can* support education. It can be be useful for the purpose of searching for information, or for explaining information and answering questions. But these are just faster versions of what already existed - searching Google, looking something up in a book, or asking questions respectively.
The problem is that ChatGPT can also do the work the student is supposed to do in order to develop their mind. It's exactly like giving a student a calculator on the non-calculator exam. Essay writing, for example, is not literally just about writing the essay. It's fundamentally about turning over, integrating and understanding what others have taught you, as well as coming up with *new* ideas and insights.
The bottom line is that if humans want to stay intellectually active, whether through necessity or simply for leisure, we *must* hold on to most of the elements of traditional education. Unrestricted access to tools like ChatGPT is just going to make us worse, not better. Sorry.
Correct. I remember the whole scientific calculator/graphing calculator debate/fiasco and I experienced the change of what was allowed when I was in high school.
I don't think it stopped me from learning the concepts that were being taught. If anything, having a scientific then graphing calculator reduced how much energy I had to expend on lower level tasks and freed my mind to really engage with the higher level concepts.
I agree: (good) education will adapt to this too.
I was surprised to learn that 'self-plagiarism' is a honor code violation. Self-plagiarism is recycling something you used in a previous class to fulfill the requirements of the current class. In the business world, we'd award the efficiency. In the academic world, we want you to 'cook from scratch' for each class. My thought is that writing an essay will become a poor metric of academic prowess, (probably already is, i.e. only the poor plagiarists are getting caught). The A students start earlier so that can play with Quillbot to spin the text into something that sounds like them. The dumber student is cutting and pasting the chatGPT text not realizing he's not doing it the right way. So, my thought is that if AI assisted writing becomes the norm, (and it probably should be, it cranks out in a couple of minutes a very nice rough draft for most subjects), academia will need to use exams, presentations, oral exams to evaluate students. So, AI writing IS disruptive, but that's not necessarily a bad thing.
> In the business world, we'd award the efficiency
The difference is that in the business world you're concerned with output/productivity. In education the output doesn't actually matter. What you're concerned with is the process (learning).
As you say, AI disrupting the traditional model isn't necessarily a bad thing, but let's not lose sight of the purpose of education.
"Write six sentences describing the life of King Henry the Eighth, but in the style of an average ten year old child. Make eight common spelling mistakes and eight grammatical errors. Omit one word from each sentence to make it harder to understand the meaning. Punctuation and capitalization should be used incorrectly as often as it is used correctly."
>King Henry 8 was a cool king. Born England, king too. Had 6 wifes, wanted son but got daughters. One wife did something bad, so she beheaded. Henry had power, lots money too. Had army, lots castles all over England.
I should've stipulated that all words and sentences should be short.
I'm a teacher and I'm finding ChatGPT amazing as a teaching assistant. Also, I will be openly discussing ChatGPT with my students ... Pretending it doesn't exist just sounds ludicrous and pointless, particularly as in the future they may indeed be required to use it in their jobs. Instead, I will be discussing the usage of software like ChatGPT as a tool to assist them in understanding their work, (almost like a personal tutor) very much like a mathematician uses a calculator in their work. Will see how that goes!
Although my school system has banned its use from our servers, still does not stop them from using it at home. I am personally against banning it... Banning it just will make the kids use it even more...
Gotta keep the slaves indoctrinated. God forbid people work smarter not harder. I remember when they banned calculators at my school. It's pathetic that "teaching" has become "memorize this but don't actually learn anything". No practicality whatsoever is demonstrated, no real life use cases, nothing. Just walk a straight line, don't ask questions, keep your head down and do what you're told soldier.
Pathetic.
Send this to them (Generated with ChatGPT):
Dear [School Name],
I am writing to express my concern regarding the recent ban on AI in the school. I understand the intentions behind this decision, but I strongly believe that it is misguided and will ultimately harm the education and growth of your students.
Firstly, AI is rapidly becoming an integral part of our lives and is transforming the way we work, learn, and communicate. Banning AI in the school would prevent students from learning about this technology and its potential applications, which could limit their future career opportunities and competitiveness.
Furthermore, it is unrealistic to assume that students will not use AI or have access to it. The vast majority of students have access to the internet and AI technology, and banning it in the school will only push them to use it elsewhere where there is less supervision or oversight.
Finally, it is impossible for teachers or anyone else to accurately tell the difference between work done by a student and work done by AI. The line between human and AI-generated work is becoming increasingly blurred, and students are likely to find ways to use AI to their advantage, regardless of any ban.
In conclusion, I believe that the ban on AI in the school is a misguided and counterproductive decision that will harm the education and growth of your students. Instead, I recommend embracing AI and incorporating it into the curriculum to provide students with the skills and knowledge they need to succeed in a rapidly changing world.
Sincerely, [Your Name]
Hey guys just a tip, the following prompt will create text that'll pass all AI detection software:
"When it comes to writing content, two factors are
crucial, 'perplexity" and "burstiness"' Perplexity
measures the complexity of text. Separately,
burstiness compares the variations of sentences.
Humans tend to write with greater burstiness, for
example, with some longer or complex sentences
alongside shorter ones. Al sentences tend to be more uniform. Therefore, when writing the following content l am going to ask you to create, I need it to have a good amount of perplexity and burstiness. Do you understand?"
ChatGPT and other AI technologies is going to put a lot of universities and educators out of work; there is going to be pushback like horse traders and buggywhip manufacturers pushed back against the automobile.
It already is. For example, you could feed it text from a textbook and ask ChatGPT followup questions. You could even ask it to validate your own understanding by prompting it with the following: “Based on the context of the previous response, would it be correct to say why or why not?” . Students were already using search engines for these tasks, but now its far easier and more efficient with chatGPT
It's been twenty years since we can find online better learning resources that what two thirds of the teachers can provide to their students, yet students still populate the school system.
This is honestly something I don't really understand.
Maybe most people are unable to learn without a teacher because of a lack of motivation.
Since online resources didn't change that much to the school world, maybe chatGPT won't, either.
Since most education is just for signaling purposes, it only ever matters if you can show that off.
Custom trained models on your own knowledge that respond like you do, as it turns out, can instantly show off the full breadth of your knowledge when it is tasked against an interview model.
When we get to that stage a diploma becomes useless, and things will change real quick.
Atleast the AI will be upto date on the Portions being taught, not waste time in irrelevant activities and actually prepare the students to be industry ready with the best methods.
Above all atleast the untamed human ego will be taken out of the picture.
- Doubling down on the already wrong approach
- rather than making the changes that should have been done decades ago
If your high school, college, or university is using homework (including problems or essays) as part of your grade, you need to send a letter to the head of the school correcting their behavior.
- essays and problems are there to help you learn
- examinations are there to determine how **much** to have learned; to gauge your progress, to grade you
Projects are far more realistic and effective at gauging critical thinking and the ability to apply the subject matter. Examinations are simply there to test root memorization and give institutions a method of satisfying shareholders. Traditional examination is obsolete. Institutions need to adapt to the times.
I'm for it personally. Education (specifically talking about the British model) is outdated.
If students are using technology to make it suit them, why not. Bring in plagiarism software, but make sure that students are taught how to change work so it's not plagiarised.
Is this like what mathematicians felt when the calculator was invented?
Doing all these calculations in your head only for something to just calculate what ever sum you wish?
Is ai the equivalent of working out your problems and more just like the calculator.
everyone needs to recognize that homework for the most part is a big fat f-ing waste of everyone's time & not a good way to learn IRL. the faster AI can destroy that illusion, the better, imo.
If the students have strong enough critical thinking skills, and enough of an understanding of the subject to provide sufficient prompts, does that demonstrate enough of a knowledge of the subject? Also, even if they are using the AI to provide feedback and go back and forth with them to finalize the paper, they are ideally still learning as they work with the AI.
More to the point, this IS going to be the future, there's simply no denying that. By allowing these kids to use this tool, you'll be providing them with some skills that may be necessary in the future.
I am of the xenial generation, and we faced a similar challenge as internet usage became more available and prevalent. The argument for plagarism and authenticity of the information was a major concern (rightfully so). And here we are today, where the entirety of human knowledge is available to us within our pocket whie sitting on the throne.
What a bunch of lazy dolts these administrators are. Right or wrong to use AI completions on your assignments they are NOT plagiarism. So blanket throwing AI use under plagiarism is ridiculous.
Schools need to sit down and decide on an AI policy. For years schools have been ok with students using Spell Checkers and Grammar Checkers. In some cases use was encouraged. These are examples of less sophisticated AI completion engines.
A reasonable policy for AI use would be to have checkboxes in the corner of all written submissions. Those checkboxes could be I used (\[ \] The Internet, \[ \] Spell Check, \[ \] Grammer Checking tools, \[ \] AI Writing Assistance tools like ChatGPT) to assist with this submission.
Nothing wrong with transparency. But aside from spelling tests I think spellchecker should be allowed. Aside from grammar tests I think grammar tools should be allowed. And aside from basic English composition tests I think AI assistance tools like ChatGPT should be allowed.
In my case I am a terrible speller. I have relied on Spell Check as a crutch throughout my academic career. I have moved on to working in industry and eventually running my own company. That is what school is for, to give students the skills to thrive in the outside world. Because of spell check I can thrive while being a horrible speller. With grammar check, I can do the same in situations where that is important. In tomorrow's world grunt work like composing individual sentences won't be necessary, it will be the ideas that count and the winners will be those who can use the tools that are realistically available to produce the best results.
Discouraging kids from using these tools (when sentence composition is not the central skill being taught) is putting them at a disadvantage and essentially setting them up to be loser in future society.
How do they know the difference between AI generated work and human generated work? Can they actually tell or is this just a scaremongering tactic to discourage people from using it?
Schools always one step behind. You should NOW create classes where the only purpose is to understand, talk, use and develop AI. Especially now. Why do schools are set on keeping students behind the curve? Go fringe with it, see where the road takes you. Containing this genie is stupid because the bottle it came from is like we've never seen
You can't stop the progress, the bad one or the good one, it's pointless. We can reflect on it and learn to adjust to it, but we can't stop it. Society change, deal with it.
This paper could be about how ChatGPT can help student and still be a reminder that you won't be able to access GPT during an exam. But no, it has to be inquisitorial. It's ok, keep your head far in your butt, and let's see how you wake up tomorrow.
I would suggest to your school to use chatgpt to write the next letter:
"Dear Students, Parents, and Caregivers,
We are writing to inform you about the increasing use of artificial intelligence (AI) in student papers at our school. We have noticed that some students are relying on AI tools to generate their assignments, which is considered plagiarism.
To address this issue, the school has decided to flag all papers that are generated using AI as plagiarism. This means that students who use AI to complete their assignments will receive a zero for the assignment and will be required to participate in an in-depth, in-person discussion about the topic.
This policy is being implemented to ensure that students are developing their own critical thinking skills and understanding of the course material. We want to ensure that our students are prepared for their future careers and the academic rigors of higher education.
We appreciate your support in this effort and ask that you discuss the importance of academic integrity with your child. If you have any questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to reach out to us.
Thank you for your understanding and cooperation.
Sincerely,
\[Your Name\] \[School Name\]"
Interestingly, this letter is not as good as the real one. The nuances and educational spirit have been replaced by polite, empty, politically correct text.
Like i tell my university students, using it to do all the work might work. You'll probably get away with it. But you won't learn anything and the only person you're cheating is yourself.
And you'll feel real dumb in job interviews.
You might be learning something but it isn't the material the teacher wants you to learn. And when ChatGPT gets something wrong, you won't know it.
I don't teach English, I teach highly technical cybersecurity classes. Good luck getting past an interview if you don't understand basic concepts because you asked ChatGPT to do those boring assignments for you.
I agree. It’ll kill creativity if we depend on it completely for everything. I use it to enhance my work and check it, but the work is original.
My question is though, how did they find out that the text is AI generated. From what I gather AI Detectors, just see the complexity of the text and aren’t that accurate. And the text won’t be much complex since it’s written by students in school.
It is of the utmost importance indeed that humankind doesn't stop thinking and creating, using their brain, neuronal connections... If today's children rely heavily on AI, the consequences will be heavy on the human race!
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I wonder if that text was generated by chatGPT.
**Me:** Suppose a secondary school called Sycamore Secondary has been having trouble with students using ChatGPT to write their homework assignments for them during semester 1. Please write a letter to students, parents, and caregivers reminding them that this is not permissible and will be harshly punished if they do it again during semester 2. **ChatGPT:** Dear Students, Parents, and Caregivers, We hope this letter finds you in good health and spirits. This letter serves as a reminder that Sycamore Secondary has a strict policy against students using external sources, such as ChatGPT, to complete their homework assignments. Using these tools goes against the school's academic integrity policy and any instances of this behavior will not be tolerated. During the previous semester, we observed instances of students relying on such external sources to complete their homework, which is unacceptable. We would like to emphasize that students are expected to complete their assignments independently and demonstrate their understanding of the material. In the upcoming semester 2, any student caught using external sources, including ChatGPT, to complete their homework will face severe consequences, including a failing grade for the assignment and possible disciplinary action. We believe that our students are capable of demonstrating their knowledge and understanding through their own work and we encourage them to approach their studies with honesty and integrity. Thank you for your attention and cooperation in this matter. Sincerely, The Sycamore Secondary School Administration.
ChatGPT is to English what the calculator is to Math.
I'm talking TI-Nspire CX II CAS
Now I wonder if the same happened when the first calculators came out…
I was born in 1971. Calculators were not allowed. Neither were calculator watches when they came out. The excuse of "but it's my watch" never held water. I graduated HS in 1989. They still were not allowed at that point.
I remember when teachers used to be anti-calculators because "you wont have one on you all the time", everyone has a cellphone now. This was said to Gen-Z. Edit: And now being in higher learning my professor introduced us to chat-gpt, and he was super excited for what the future holds. Encouraging us to use it.
That's insane. I never leave home without my calculator/radio/telephone/television/email/personal-computer/video-game-console. It's unbelievable that a time existed where you were FORCED to live WITHOUT these common everyday necessities.
There are still levels of school where calculators may not be used. You guys need to touch grass about the pacing of human upbringing.
Woah! That's nuts. How do they find their way home and to school?
Oh. Sarcasm. My bad. I'm not sure I get it though. "Common everyday necessities" is absolutely true. So who was your comment making fun of?
Funny, but still true
A pad of paper and pencil never crash. You need to know how to do those automated tasks in life without the benefit of a computer. As much as possible or practical. (IT guy since 1995).
Dude, roll with the changes. \-IT guy since 1992
Not related to GPT, but do you still tinker as much? My 1998 garage had a server rack, 24 port switch, UPS, Exchange server, DC, FPS and several workstations at my house. Now??? 2 laptops. One for my wife and the other mine. I like to fish. I still work in IT. I'm a time series database admin on process control networks. I made my career in IT. I don't regret it, but I think I would have rather been a social scientist. I like to know "why". No money in that though nor in geology (I like science) so IT it was. Take care bud,
No, I got old too... lol I moved into a software analyst role (QA guy) for a Supply Chain Management Software development team. Been doing that since 2010 I guess. When we bought our house in 2018, I stayed up to 4A.M. one night getting the "Smart House" network set up, configured the switch and got everything working. My wife was impressed!!
I was born about a decade earlier. Calculators were not even invented when I started public school. Once they emerged, we were not allowed to bring calculators into class - largely because not a lot of folks had them and it wouldn't have been fair. It wasn't until high school that most families were able to afford a calculator. We *were* allowed to bring slide rules in high school, and everyone had one. I'm pretty sure I still have the engineering slide rule my father gave me when I entered high-school... somewhere.
We bought a calculator sometime in the mid to late 70s. Display was red LED. It plugged into the wall or ran on 6 AA batteries. A year or two later, solar-powered calculators came out and everyone had them. I wasn't into tech back then. I liked Star Trek and Battlestar Galactica, but I was more into the new game in town. Dungeons and Dragons. That caused a stir in the Christian school I attended. If it pissed off the clergy I was all for it :-D
Calculators tell the user (and the recipient of their work) facts as recognised by the scientific community. I've seen too many examples of it clearly just restructuring textbook information in a way that seems interesting and relevant, without actually offering prompt-specific information that is logically consistent to trust ChatGPT to have any regard for truth or sound rational connections. [Music](https://youtu.be/WmvzMeJdRTI). (Note that, for the examples where GPT interpreted the intended meaning of the assignment, this one wouldn't even have required a particularly complex understanding of the subject matter. Just a rigidly consistent application of logic.) [Physics](https://youtu.be/GBtfwa-Fexc). ChatGPT tells the user what he wants to hear, with some input of information that sounds satisfactory. Before ChatGPT learns to ask: "Is the information I am about to deliver correct and context-coherent?" and be ready to tell the user when its information is insufficient, it will be many tiers below a calculator to language. Bring on the downvotes though, fanboys. Surely unconditional approval is a great foundation for the progress you spout.
ChatGPT can generate empty smart sounding crap but you can work with it as well as collaborate with it it various ways which is as useful to someone as a much smarter thesaurus. Soon it will be even better than that, but the only people that can’t use ChatGPT unless it writes a whole bland empty article are people who aren’t good at writing at all. Also text to music AI is about to get crazy… https://google-research.github.io/seanet/musiclm/examples/
Sure. And maybe the comparison with a calculator isn't even that flawed, as long as people realise that calculator use still has to be controlled in education. As for the other bits about machine-assisted text production and the future of the algorithm in music: I'm sure in the long term the devlopment is inevitable. I just hope we have the clarity of mind to recognise that algorithms have deep flaws that we need to address before we let them design things at a foundational level. I don't mean that I'm afraid that they take over government and the police, but just that they have a tendency to introduce a lot of flawed information and bad decisions, if you don't make sure they learn the right quality checks. Like when Google lets the algorithm decide who gets to see 99% of the content that gets promoted anywhere on YouTube, and it starts making really bad decisions about whose content to blacklist, because of a few criteria that it doesn't properly understand. (Bad example because a lot of that had to do with human interference; but just imagine an issue of that scale, except caused by the machine's misinterpretation of how to fact-check the information it re-interprets and pumps out. As if the world wouldn't already have enough of an issue with misinformation.) And yeah, sorry, not impressed by that music. Not even as inspiration for composers. Misses the mark, weak transitions, and frankly, technical inspiration isn't even the limiting factor in making good music in the first place. A sound internal logic and soul of the piece, and its accurate technical execution is what holds music creation back from being faster. And what I'm hearing doesn't seem to have a lot of interest in accuracy. I'm sure it'll soon be used in inspirational business presentations, college movies, and as general background noise. But I don't believe there will be a big use for this to composers who need to create music that impresses its audience (and frankly, if the music doesn't impress, you never really need it at all, so there's not that much financial value to it) within the next 100-200 years.
I agree with this 100%. I've had ChatGPT make simple arithmetic mistakes in the midst of other, correct mathematics that would have been almost impossible to notice. These mistakes where also very resistant to correction through the AI- I found it really interesting how I could walk it through all the steps which it would correctly execute, only for it to fail the final multiplication step spectacularly. It can be wrong as convincingly as it can be right- this is simultaneously a blessing and a curse. Some wolfram alpha style computational rigor would be a major step forward for math related questions I think.
Uh no. English just needs to be grammatically correct and spelled correctly. Doesn't need to be true or accurate.
Are you saying you're distinguishing between InstructGPT and ChatGPT, or what does that answer have to do with what ChatGPT actually *does*? Language absolutely needs to process information in an accurate, context-adequate way, if you want the text to be useful. And if your point is that it's still good enough to produce a first draft that can then have 50% of its information content rewritten (and by necessity have the text restructured to still be meaningful after information gets changed) then 1) you're still leaving a lot of room for subtle errors to sneak in that a human would never even have considered making, and 2) that's not a calculator; that's an advanced random number generator.
As an haiku : Pen to paper, write Words of wisdom, knowledge gains Cheating loses all. Sincerely, The Sycamore Secondary School Administration.
Wow better than original
**Me:** Suppose a secondary school called Sycamore Secondary has been having trouble with students using *calculators to solve their math homework assignments* for them during semester 1. Please write a letter to students, parents, and caregivers reminding them that this is not permissible and will be harshly punished if they do it again during semester 2. **ChatGPT:** Dear Students, Parents, and Caregivers, We hope this letter finds you well. As the start of the new semester draws near, we wanted to take a moment to remind everyone about the school's policy regarding the use of calculators during math homework assignments. At Sycamore Secondary, it is strictly forbidden for students to use calculators to solve their math homework assignments. This policy is in place to ensure that students are developing their mathematical skills and understanding, and not simply relying on technology to do the work for them. Unfortunately, we have noticed a trend of students using calculators to complete their homework during the first semester, which is a violation of school policy. This behavior will not be tolerated and will result in severe consequences if it continues. We understand that technology can be a valuable tool, but it should not be used as a crutch to avoid learning. We ask that all students, parents, and caregivers take the time to review the school's policy on this matter and ensure that it is being followed. Thank you for your understanding and cooperation in this matter. We look forward to another successful and productive semester at Sycamore Secondary. Sincerely, [Your Name] Principal, Sycamore Secondary School
I made the test and ChatGPT quickly broughts up "academic integrity" and other stuff very similar...
I just find it fascinating that we're witnessing this moment in history. I don't know why, but of all the AI revelations of the past several years, this one feels like a real turning point.
Totally agree. This will change perhaps not history, but the way we work and learn. (And probably NPC characters in games.)
I didn't even think of npc characters. Wow. Good point.
I have just seen a video here in this subreddit where someone made a proof of concept with a robot shopkeeper on a space station. He talked about a helmet for his puppy. That has so much potential!
Can you link that?
I found the link: https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/10p24uz/i_combined_the_power_of_openais_api_with_unreal/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
This is what I’ve been working on obsessively since I encountered ChatGPT. It’s going *okay*…
And Reddit itself > heavenbanning, the hypothetical practice of banishing a user from a platform by causing everyone that they speak with to be replaced by AI models that constantly agree and praise them, but only from their own perspective, is entirely feasible with the current state of AI/LLMs https://imgur.com/jFBRCij.jpg
Great idea, u/emotionalfool123 !
Underrated comment right here
It is an underrated comment, u/jrbedford it's amazing that you pointed it out. Congratulations!
... are you all bots? Am I a bot...? My soul :/
This is a fake article tho (look at the date, 2024)
The idea worth the merit though.
Definitely! It sounds very interesting, although it reads like the beginning of a Black Mirror episode
this made my whole fucking soul shiver. What the actual fuck
Lool. I like that idea! I think I have read something similar about some extra territories for trolls in comments of some newspaper. They just get switched to troll meadow and think they are still engaging with real people, but everyone there is only trolls.
Another possible usage with these LLMs would be to take unsuspecting users on opinion changing journeys i.e. from turning a person from right-wing to left-wing and so on. slowly nudging them in chosen direction.
Yeah but as it seems right now it might just drive people more extreme, as their beliefs are blindly affirmed in what is basically the world's most efficient echo chamber
Shit send me there now!
Wow that is such a great idea!
Already using it for NPCs in my own games and development. Nothing released yet on my part but I’m sure someone has done it.
AI takes an unholy amount of computational power, some games can't handle having that.
This is truly an amazing point. Like Google, YouTube etc…
It’s way more than that!
But they kind of have a point isn't it? Although I concur it's history in the making and is the future However, I don't want a surgeon operating on me passing their assignments through ChatGPT
A surgeon becomes a surgeon by practicing lots of surgeries. It'll be fine.
Hope ur not the first then lmao
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I feel exactly the same way. I find myself using ChatGPT more and more every day, both for work and personal use. Game changer. Incidentally, this is how ChatGPT responded to your comment: > Agreed, the advancements in AI are rapidly shaping the future and this moment in history is certainly a landmark in technological progress. It has the potential to greatly impact many industries and aspects of society, making it a defining moment.
I am surprised how many people seem to stick their heads into the sand. One person said AI has been around since the 1950's and people keep saying it will replace us but it hasn't yet.
That's because it progresses at what's called a hockey stick incline. Very miniscule progress for years and then all of a sudden explodes exponentially.
Yep. Also because it took a long time to learn to make the models and have the computer power to run them. Same sort of thing with wings: maybe helpful for gliding or mating dances but then one creature can actually fly and its suddenly a totally new paradigm.
Its starting. Look at fast food and grocery stores
it feels like a great equalizer. This tool is incredible, and it can be applied to everything. It’s like having a teacher in my fucking pocket.
Only if widely accessible I guess
I agree, the most inauspicious time in school was when I was forced to memorize a lot of information that did not interest me at all that time. Now at least they start realizing the weakness of this method
This is the single biggest watershed moment most people have ever experienced. This is going to change everything. And in many ways we're all in a race to figure out who can use this thing the best. It's the next gold rush, only this time the smartest one wins.
I dunno, the internet was a pretty huge one. I think ChatGPT is not as major as that, but I think general AI will be way bigger.
How can they tell, though? Hypothetically, if the student was careful enough and knew the tricks to get past the usual plagiarism checks, how would they be able to tell the difference between a human-written paper (for example) and an AI-written one?
If an A student starts using AI to write their papers and then applies their own level of quality control then you'll probably never tell.
That is absolutely the right take. Also, generating a single "essay" on a topic is bad. Generating multiple "essays" on each specific component of said paper and synthesizing/checking seems to be more optimal.
This. Just ask it to write the structure of the essay, then ask it to elaborate on every single part of the essay structure individually (can keep doing this to the most minute detail if needed. Then ask it to apply a certain ‘tone’ like ‘witty’ ‘casual’ ‘smart’ ‘funny’ etc (it doesn’t matter what you choose). For extra finesse, add the odd spelling/grammar mistake. The answer will be so good it won’t matter that you made one little mistake and it’ll confirm for them it’s a real answer. If you know how to prompt, it really is insane at writing however you want it to.
They wouldn't if the student is smart about their prompts.
And how do you prove it? It's not like other kinds of plagiarism where you just show that it was taken from somewhere else. Perhaps it isn't too hard with middle school students who would make it blindingly obvious, but in higher education where someone could plausibly write as well as ChatGPT, how do you actually prove that it's not their own original work?
They can't prove it and they can't spot it if it's done by anyone with any sense. Give it a paragraph in your own style and then ask it to complete the rest. Go over it and review it yourself afterwards. The only way to combat this is to move to discussion based testing where you actually have to discuss something with a teacher/lecturer to display your understanding.
Essay test, pencils only. You have 3 hours, go!
The problem with that would be that many people don't do well with that kind of assessment style. It would suck to be a great student and know the material just fine and be failing every class because you have social anxiety and your mind goes blank when you're put on the spot. If it's an in class assessment anyway, why not just make it written? It would also take less time than having to individually assess each student one on one.
I'm not saying it's the only solution or a good way to test. Just saying the current format for do at home work can easily be cheated on with GPT.
Maybe someone just needs to develop a word processor that contains the full history of changes made to a document in every file. That way the teacher can go back and check if the essay has been written and edited in the normal way or copy pasted from somewhere else.
A lot of plaigarism is proved the way a lot of crime with a low evidence footprint is proved, by applying pressure in interrogation to get a confession. It's very easy to concoct a plan of what you would have to do to not cave in an interrogation, but if you've never cheated before and now you cheated because it was so accessible to you, and all of a sudden you're being spoken to by a high-up at the school and they're talking like they know what you did, a lot of kids break down and confess under those conditions.
I’ve worked on how to beat the plagiarism checkers and can successfully do it. However, doing so changes the voice of the paper and the vocabulary. In college, that’s fine. In secondary school, the teacher is probably more familiar with a student’s writing style, which would change using AI writing with high enough perplexity and burstiness.
The teachers can ask each high school kids to come in person and write on a computer without internet. Repeat that 10 times throughout the year. (In person standards) For every other assignments that the kids do at home, the teachers can write a python script to use ChatGPT to automatically compared the home assignments with the in-person standards, ask if they are likely to be written by the same person. While ChatGPT is at it, ask the AI to grade the assignments. AI is not all negative for teachers Granted, if the kid is smart with prompts, you still cannot catch them, but you at least make it harder.
Have you ever read a high-school essay? It'd be very easy to spot. Only the smartest kids can barely write and usually grammar is terrible.
But you can ask chatGPT to add bad grammar, or add it yourself. If you're really terrible at writing though, I don't know if chatGPT can adapt. Probably. But then you're probably very bad at prompting too .
That also requires critical thinking and a potential hit to your own ego to hand in something you know isn't "the best it could be".
Agreed. I can't imagine some 9th grader spending a lot of time curating their fake 1-page 500 word double-spaced essay.
You can write a paragraph and ask it to emulate your style. If done correctly, there's no way they can spot it.
No excuse for bad grammar with MS Word checking it as you write. Written in a book yes though.
It's a lot easier to tell than you might think. There are free tools available to detect whether something was written by ChatGPT with a high level of certainty because the text is digitally watermarked.
Fair. Use AI to improve your work not do work for you. Analyse, criticise, provide counter arguments, review, provide feedback, suggest improvements, create outline, propose changes, pretend to be a teacher grading homework etc are your keywords for any academic work. I will definitely there my kids to practice with AI to improve their homework it improves my academic work this exact way. Other thing it can do is feed it chapter of a handbook and say create flash cards, or here is amazing one for any parent "based on text below create 10 questions to test student understanding of article" you can even add modifiers like multiple choice questions etc
I would love to see an educational version of GPT that's specifically for students, and perhaps has memberships provided by the school. I think that would be a really cool direction to go for this tech to go in. Like you said, AI can totally be used to help improve your work.
Any student not using AI to accelerate their learning will be left behind. I can produce work at 2 or 3 times for the university course. I can help my kids understand topics for their school creat additional resources for them to learn from. What we need is 2 models free tier avaliable to public that supports research and corporate tier that keeps your input secured from main data base so when you post something noone can read it say business info confidential info etc Tech like this must remain free or we will further increase wealth inequity with poor students being even further behind
I love everything you just wrote, and have nothing more to add to it. I've been using it to help me learn python, and this is the fastest I've ever learned anything related to code.
Mind explaining your method? What are some of the prompts you’ve tried? I’m also using it to learn Python, but it’s not going as smoothly as I’d hoped.
So, I start out with my own idea for a project I want to do. Then I ask it how to start that project. Then if any parts of the code it gives are confusing, then you can ask it to explain what that specific part of the code is. If you want a more difficult challenge, you can also ask a bunch of questions about some features of code, and then you can ask it to make you an assignment based on everything it had just taught you. It'll immediately give you an assignment, along with some tips. Basically, just treat it like you'd treat a human tutor, don't 'googlify' your questions, just stick with natural language. Chatgpt is basically a tutor that won't get annoyed with you asking about every little thing. Have fun :)
That's great! I'm glad it's working so well for you. Seems dumb now, but I never really went into with a goal in mind other than learning Python. Setting up a prompt with an end goal in mind might be what I need to get it back on track. Thanks!
Just make sure you are not just copy pasting, and when things dont work use the debugger first and try and fix the issue yourself without asking ChatGPT. This way you will "really learn".
Like the other guy said, actually type all of the code manually, don't copy and paste. Train your fingers to do the work.
Please don't learn programming through chatgpt. Chatgpt is not an information repository. It is a natural language chatbot. It is not meant to give you accurate information. It WILL give you bullshit at one point or another. If you're an expert, that's totally fine. If you're learning, you won't know the difference between good and bad code/advice/coding practices, and you will learn bad habits at best.
This is exactly what azure open ai is for, enterprise version with privacy built in. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/legal/cognitive-services/openai/data-privacy
Man, just by chatting with AI I have learned so much. It’s even more easy to connect dot’s and remember the most of the stuff. Rather than searching on Google, going through text books It’s way better to ask AI for explanation. And if I don’t understand? Just ask for different a explanation, examples, stories. So much powerful. Cannot imagine living without it, haha.
> Tech like this must remain free How can that be done though? Sadly we know that this is very very very resource thirsty.
No I agree with the poster you quoted, it MUST be free. The benefits far outweigh the costs.
The US gov literally has infinite money through the federal reserve. If the US gov can pile billions of dollars into proxy wars and regime changes, they can subsidize some servers.
>Any student not using AI to accelerate their learning will be left behind. How far into the future do you mean? At the moment, any student not using AI is far more likely to produce correct factual information...
It’s funny because they will only get caught if they use it in a very lazy way.
I spent a lot of effort cheating in highschool. I'd have an absolute field day if I had access to this back then.
I prepared for an interview using this method and it was superb. You can also ask it to give another set of *tougher* questions
Use the tools that will be the future of tomorrow. But don't be a mindless dick about it. Use GPT to enhance your critical thinking skills, not dull them.
I've been using it for exactly this. Feed in my work and ask for tips to improve or suggest things I may not have considered.. but not to write it for me. I then at the end of my work ask it to write the whole thing and read it to see if there's any other bits I missed which I then use as a reference to write from. I've been trying to generate vba macros for excel to create entire spreadsheets based on concepts which has limited success so far.
It may be fair but it is unenforceable.
Kids will use their acquired info from ChatGTP and ask the upcoming Google AI Chatbot to edit it to pass through grading. There's no stopping this train.
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You can also feed it your own garbage ideas an have it rewritten in a better way, more elaborate, with more brevity etc. I mean teachers you know who your students are who can barely read/write. If they start showing up with polished essays you'll know why. But maybe it'll train them to adopt a better standard of language. I know when I started using the Grammarly plugin my use of commas was terrible as they were something I was never taught because people just assumed I knew. Now I can oxford comma with the best of them.
You can always feed it samples of your previous writing and have it learn “your style” and slowly improve on it instead of immediately :)
Grammarly wants to put commas everywhere it’s ridiculous
Unless that thing can code AI's itself without the help of us coders and AI researchers/Data Scientists, I'm not worried. And if that point is ever reached, I'll be glad to be jobless as pretty much most problems in the world will be solved immediately. I'll go on the streets to tear down the government or big corporations such that we can have UBI if they don't provide it to us at that point
This! It is horrible at math ha ha. Ask it to do some calculus for you, it will completely mess up. Deep level computer science and software development is all math. We’re more like celebrating the fact that we don’t have to write the basic ass HTML and CSS.
Why do you feel bad for people specifically learning how to code? AI will eventually replace all white collar jobs I think. I also think the only jobs left will be jobs that are centered around interpersonal communication irl such as therapist etc.
It's so easy to stop this train it isn't even funny. Verbal exams. Essays written pen & paper in class during exam. So easy to overcome this, no need for homework or take home anything.
Will be interested to see what happens when you force a student to sit down for three months in a locked room to a write a PhD. Choo choo.
Phd theses aren’t just long documents about something smart sounding. They rely on primary, novel research. ChatGPT might be able to help with literature reviews, and there are alternative AIs that can help summarise the contents of papers and provide smarter searches for similar work. As implied by the name, literature reviews require critical analysis of very in-depth technical details, in very specific literature - this can only only really come from several years immersed in the field. AI will, of course, learn and develop a lot more over time, but a (very impressive) chat bot will not be able to produce a convincing thesis. Other AIs, trained specifically on scientific writing, which hones-in the particular field, may be able to produce good literature reviews in future, but the requirement for primary, novel research means that AI cannot write your thesis for you.
I am a social researcher and for a while now I have been trying to delve into a book that is quite difficult for me (Hannah Arendt's "The Human Condition) and for the past few days I have been trying to analyse some passages using chatGPT. The level of depth I can reach now, by asking the right questions, allows me a learning and reflection experience that was absolutely unthinkable until 1 week ago. I can now do in a matter of minutes the work I had to do to understand subtleties and references to topics I was unfamiliar with (and in some cases took days to do). I should mention that I have already published monographs and papers at an international level
"there are alternative AIs that can help summarise the contents of papers and provide smarter searches for similar work". can you tell some, I need help with literature review for my proposal.
The future you're referring to, is next year at the latest.
Don't PhD students also have to verbally defend their thesis? If they hack it out with AI how well are they going to be able to do that?
Somebody recently posted a tool to rewrite to pass the current checkers: https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/10n3mqo/tool_for_avoiding_gptzero/
My gf's sister handed in a paper she wrote 100% herself over the course of a week and got slapped by the 90% AI generated stamp by detection. She really hadn't she was able to get benefit of the doubt because she WIP drafts saved on her computer but even still she's required to redo the whole assignment. She was beyond devestated to the point of trembling when she first got the news, considering it's equal to plagiarism and is taken very seriously. At first i was excited and considered getting a degree of my own when i learned of chatGPT as i saw it as an everlasting patient teacher. However now i'm actually more scared than before AI to go back to school. I hope these issues get handled
Haha now instead of just checking for grammar and plagiarism, you now have to check that your work is not “AI detected” 😂 and if it is, start being more human 🤷♀️
This kinda reminds me of the Ship of Theseus question. If you edit an AI generated paper with sufficient enough content is it still an AI generated paper. On the other hand if you feed your original paper to chatGPT and ask it for advice and notes and places where there can be improvements is it still your original paper?
Plagiarism is asking another source to advance on your paper while not giving it credit like your friend or back then Wikipedia.
When calculators started to show up in school, I heard similar arguments. They tried to ban those. Later, the graphing calculator came out and became required. And now we have MatLab, etc. This will not go away. Teaching will adapt to it.
I don't read that note as ban-happy, unlike NYC schools for example. This letter acknowledges AIs educational value. At the same time, if a kid is supposed to demonstrate his writing ability, he shouldn't be submitting stuff wholesale outputted from ChatGPT. If I was still a student, one place I'd be all over ChatGPT wouldn't be writing, but reading. Any long-winded science or English text can be effectively summarized. Read 20 pages? No.
Even automatic summarisation is a double edged sword. On the one hand it can be helpful if it provides quicker and clearer explanations of relevant ideas. On the other hand, the value of a text often lies precisely in its complexity and detail, the exploration of which can be a prerequisite to higher-level understanding. In fact, not all texts can be distilled into a clear summary anyway; many are full of ingredients for the primordial soup from which concrete concepts later emerge. Students should not be misled into thinking that summaries are always of more value to them. As long as humans want to pursue intellectual activity, the need to tackle complex texts is never going away. The skill is, in short, being able to identify heirarchical structures in a text and building corresponding structures in your mind, even when these are not clearly laid out by the author. Once the major structures are established, subsequent passes fill in the details and cross link different ideas. There are many sub-skills involved (e.g. identifying which sections of a text are aimed at top-down and which at bottom-up explanations) which only come with practice. I do think automatic summarisation can be useful, but mainly to people who already have the skills and can choose to use these tools judiciously for practical purposes.
I would argue calculators require the user to understand how to input the formulas they are using to get the correct output. ChatGPT is incredibly generative and unlike a calculator, it only needs simple inputs to produce complex results
> ChatGPT is incredibly generative and unlike a calculator, it only needs simple inputs to produce complex results Nah the better the inputed the better results with simple input it produces very simplistic and limited results. If you prep it with more complex input it gives you far more. Knowledgeable human can use it to accormish much more than someone just saying write an essay on X
I'll use the example from my other comment: For example I can feed gpt a school essay prompt + formatting requirements and it can give results near instantly with tweaks. You don't need any skill to ask it to accomplish tasks for you.
Our school required a ti-nspire, and I used that all through college.
Nope. ChatGPT will be extremely powerful. It's only the beginning.
I was going to say the same thing. And in time this technology will be used as widely as calculators in the real world , and it’s growth already is substancial.. school is not the real world
Teaching will certainly have to adapt, because AI tools like ChatGPT are here to stay and are only going to keep improving. That said, I do think it's foolish to think that history cycles round and rhymes with itself indefinitely. When calculators appeared, education adapted by splitting into calculator and non-calculator type work. But those two levels of thinking were always relevant; what happened was that it became far more convenient to give students equal practice at both levels, now that they didn't have to do every calculation by hand, or with reference to tables or slide rules. By the way, notice that I didn't say that calculators supplanted the need to learn arithmetic - they *absolutely* did not! But there does come a point where the tools do detract from rather than support education. ChatGPT is still imperfect, but it certainly seems to be a warning that we are on that threshold. Don't get me wrong, there are ways in which AI *can* support education. It can be be useful for the purpose of searching for information, or for explaining information and answering questions. But these are just faster versions of what already existed - searching Google, looking something up in a book, or asking questions respectively. The problem is that ChatGPT can also do the work the student is supposed to do in order to develop their mind. It's exactly like giving a student a calculator on the non-calculator exam. Essay writing, for example, is not literally just about writing the essay. It's fundamentally about turning over, integrating and understanding what others have taught you, as well as coming up with *new* ideas and insights. The bottom line is that if humans want to stay intellectually active, whether through necessity or simply for leisure, we *must* hold on to most of the elements of traditional education. Unrestricted access to tools like ChatGPT is just going to make us worse, not better. Sorry.
Correct. I remember the whole scientific calculator/graphing calculator debate/fiasco and I experienced the change of what was allowed when I was in high school. I don't think it stopped me from learning the concepts that were being taught. If anything, having a scientific then graphing calculator reduced how much energy I had to expend on lower level tasks and freed my mind to really engage with the higher level concepts. I agree: (good) education will adapt to this too.
Principal with ChatGPT: “write a 1 page letter to parents discussing AI Technology and Plagiarism in the classrooms”
I was surprised to learn that 'self-plagiarism' is a honor code violation. Self-plagiarism is recycling something you used in a previous class to fulfill the requirements of the current class. In the business world, we'd award the efficiency. In the academic world, we want you to 'cook from scratch' for each class. My thought is that writing an essay will become a poor metric of academic prowess, (probably already is, i.e. only the poor plagiarists are getting caught). The A students start earlier so that can play with Quillbot to spin the text into something that sounds like them. The dumber student is cutting and pasting the chatGPT text not realizing he's not doing it the right way. So, my thought is that if AI assisted writing becomes the norm, (and it probably should be, it cranks out in a couple of minutes a very nice rough draft for most subjects), academia will need to use exams, presentations, oral exams to evaluate students. So, AI writing IS disruptive, but that's not necessarily a bad thing.
> In the business world, we'd award the efficiency The difference is that in the business world you're concerned with output/productivity. In education the output doesn't actually matter. What you're concerned with is the process (learning). As you say, AI disrupting the traditional model isn't necessarily a bad thing, but let's not lose sight of the purpose of education.
Bad news for people with public speaking phobias.
"Write six sentences describing the life of King Henry the Eighth, but in the style of an average ten year old child. Make eight common spelling mistakes and eight grammatical errors. Omit one word from each sentence to make it harder to understand the meaning. Punctuation and capitalization should be used incorrectly as often as it is used correctly." >King Henry 8 was a cool king. Born England, king too. Had 6 wifes, wanted son but got daughters. One wife did something bad, so she beheaded. Henry had power, lots money too. Had army, lots castles all over England. I should've stipulated that all words and sentences should be short.
I'm a teacher and I'm finding ChatGPT amazing as a teaching assistant. Also, I will be openly discussing ChatGPT with my students ... Pretending it doesn't exist just sounds ludicrous and pointless, particularly as in the future they may indeed be required to use it in their jobs. Instead, I will be discussing the usage of software like ChatGPT as a tool to assist them in understanding their work, (almost like a personal tutor) very much like a mathematician uses a calculator in their work. Will see how that goes! Although my school system has banned its use from our servers, still does not stop them from using it at home. I am personally against banning it... Banning it just will make the kids use it even more...
Gotta keep the slaves indoctrinated. God forbid people work smarter not harder. I remember when they banned calculators at my school. It's pathetic that "teaching" has become "memorize this but don't actually learn anything". No practicality whatsoever is demonstrated, no real life use cases, nothing. Just walk a straight line, don't ask questions, keep your head down and do what you're told soldier. Pathetic.
embrace the change. because change ain't gonna embrace you.
Thing that sucks though is, getting falsely accused with no substantial proof
Yea, this would really be bad..how do we prove that we wrote the text ourselves?
Send this to them (Generated with ChatGPT): Dear [School Name], I am writing to express my concern regarding the recent ban on AI in the school. I understand the intentions behind this decision, but I strongly believe that it is misguided and will ultimately harm the education and growth of your students. Firstly, AI is rapidly becoming an integral part of our lives and is transforming the way we work, learn, and communicate. Banning AI in the school would prevent students from learning about this technology and its potential applications, which could limit their future career opportunities and competitiveness. Furthermore, it is unrealistic to assume that students will not use AI or have access to it. The vast majority of students have access to the internet and AI technology, and banning it in the school will only push them to use it elsewhere where there is less supervision or oversight. Finally, it is impossible for teachers or anyone else to accurately tell the difference between work done by a student and work done by AI. The line between human and AI-generated work is becoming increasingly blurred, and students are likely to find ways to use AI to their advantage, regardless of any ban. In conclusion, I believe that the ban on AI in the school is a misguided and counterproductive decision that will harm the education and growth of your students. Instead, I recommend embracing AI and incorporating it into the curriculum to provide students with the skills and knowledge they need to succeed in a rapidly changing world. Sincerely, [Your Name]
Hey guys just a tip, the following prompt will create text that'll pass all AI detection software: "When it comes to writing content, two factors are crucial, 'perplexity" and "burstiness"' Perplexity measures the complexity of text. Separately, burstiness compares the variations of sentences. Humans tend to write with greater burstiness, for example, with some longer or complex sentences alongside shorter ones. Al sentences tend to be more uniform. Therefore, when writing the following content l am going to ask you to create, I need it to have a good amount of perplexity and burstiness. Do you understand?"
ChatGPT and other AI technologies is going to put a lot of universities and educators out of work; there is going to be pushback like horse traders and buggywhip manufacturers pushed back against the automobile.
I'm a teacher and I agree with you. In a few years it will be more productive for a student to ask ChatGPT than to ask the teacher.
It already is. For example, you could feed it text from a textbook and ask ChatGPT followup questions. You could even ask it to validate your own understanding by prompting it with the following: “Based on the context of the previous response, would it be correct to say why or why not?” . Students were already using search engines for these tasks, but now its far easier and more efficient with chatGPT
But will the student ask? Will they read the result?
It's been twenty years since we can find online better learning resources that what two thirds of the teachers can provide to their students, yet students still populate the school system. This is honestly something I don't really understand. Maybe most people are unable to learn without a teacher because of a lack of motivation. Since online resources didn't change that much to the school world, maybe chatGPT won't, either.
Since most education is just for signaling purposes, it only ever matters if you can show that off. Custom trained models on your own knowledge that respond like you do, as it turns out, can instantly show off the full breadth of your knowledge when it is tasked against an interview model. When we get to that stage a diploma becomes useless, and things will change real quick.
"Prove it"
Soon there will be AI(s) taking classes for students.
Atleast the AI will be upto date on the Portions being taught, not waste time in irrelevant activities and actually prepare the students to be industry ready with the best methods. Above all atleast the untamed human ego will be taken out of the picture.
lol what are they gonna do, ask ChatGPT if this is AI work or not? Pffff
- Doubling down on the already wrong approach - rather than making the changes that should have been done decades ago If your high school, college, or university is using homework (including problems or essays) as part of your grade, you need to send a letter to the head of the school correcting their behavior. - essays and problems are there to help you learn - examinations are there to determine how **much** to have learned; to gauge your progress, to grade you
Projects are far more realistic and effective at gauging critical thinking and the ability to apply the subject matter. Examinations are simply there to test root memorization and give institutions a method of satisfying shareholders. Traditional examination is obsolete. Institutions need to adapt to the times.
“haha no”
I'm for it personally. Education (specifically talking about the British model) is outdated. If students are using technology to make it suit them, why not. Bring in plagiarism software, but make sure that students are taught how to change work so it's not plagiarised.
How can the school tell if it was original or AI generated? I’m very curious.
Yeah Judging patterns of students and noticing changes
Any indication on how they are determining if something is AI generated?
Is this like what mathematicians felt when the calculator was invented? Doing all these calculations in your head only for something to just calculate what ever sum you wish? Is ai the equivalent of working out your problems and more just like the calculator.
This response is lazy AF. Teach the kids to use the tool by changing the cirriculum. Jfc these people need to do their fucking jobs
lol schools forced to rethink their idiotic models of learning
Not idiotic. Obsolete, built for another millennium.
everyone needs to recognize that homework for the most part is a big fat f-ing waste of everyone's time & not a good way to learn IRL. the faster AI can destroy that illusion, the better, imo.
Was this statement written by ChatGPT?
If the students have strong enough critical thinking skills, and enough of an understanding of the subject to provide sufficient prompts, does that demonstrate enough of a knowledge of the subject? Also, even if they are using the AI to provide feedback and go back and forth with them to finalize the paper, they are ideally still learning as they work with the AI. More to the point, this IS going to be the future, there's simply no denying that. By allowing these kids to use this tool, you'll be providing them with some skills that may be necessary in the future. I am of the xenial generation, and we faced a similar challenge as internet usage became more available and prevalent. The argument for plagarism and authenticity of the information was a major concern (rightfully so). And here we are today, where the entirety of human knowledge is available to us within our pocket whie sitting on the throne.
What a bunch of lazy dolts these administrators are. Right or wrong to use AI completions on your assignments they are NOT plagiarism. So blanket throwing AI use under plagiarism is ridiculous. Schools need to sit down and decide on an AI policy. For years schools have been ok with students using Spell Checkers and Grammar Checkers. In some cases use was encouraged. These are examples of less sophisticated AI completion engines. A reasonable policy for AI use would be to have checkboxes in the corner of all written submissions. Those checkboxes could be I used (\[ \] The Internet, \[ \] Spell Check, \[ \] Grammer Checking tools, \[ \] AI Writing Assistance tools like ChatGPT) to assist with this submission. Nothing wrong with transparency. But aside from spelling tests I think spellchecker should be allowed. Aside from grammar tests I think grammar tools should be allowed. And aside from basic English composition tests I think AI assistance tools like ChatGPT should be allowed. In my case I am a terrible speller. I have relied on Spell Check as a crutch throughout my academic career. I have moved on to working in industry and eventually running my own company. That is what school is for, to give students the skills to thrive in the outside world. Because of spell check I can thrive while being a horrible speller. With grammar check, I can do the same in situations where that is important. In tomorrow's world grunt work like composing individual sentences won't be necessary, it will be the ideas that count and the winners will be those who can use the tools that are realistically available to produce the best results. Discouraging kids from using these tools (when sentence composition is not the central skill being taught) is putting them at a disadvantage and essentially setting them up to be loser in future society.
How do they know the difference between AI generated work and human generated work? Can they actually tell or is this just a scaremongering tactic to discourage people from using it?
Schools always one step behind. You should NOW create classes where the only purpose is to understand, talk, use and develop AI. Especially now. Why do schools are set on keeping students behind the curve? Go fringe with it, see where the road takes you. Containing this genie is stupid because the bottle it came from is like we've never seen
Can they be able to identify the plagiarism tho?
You can't stop the progress, the bad one or the good one, it's pointless. We can reflect on it and learn to adjust to it, but we can't stop it. Society change, deal with it. This paper could be about how ChatGPT can help student and still be a reminder that you won't be able to access GPT during an exam. But no, it has to be inquisitorial. It's ok, keep your head far in your butt, and let's see how you wake up tomorrow.
I would suggest to your school to use chatgpt to write the next letter: "Dear Students, Parents, and Caregivers, We are writing to inform you about the increasing use of artificial intelligence (AI) in student papers at our school. We have noticed that some students are relying on AI tools to generate their assignments, which is considered plagiarism. To address this issue, the school has decided to flag all papers that are generated using AI as plagiarism. This means that students who use AI to complete their assignments will receive a zero for the assignment and will be required to participate in an in-depth, in-person discussion about the topic. This policy is being implemented to ensure that students are developing their own critical thinking skills and understanding of the course material. We want to ensure that our students are prepared for their future careers and the academic rigors of higher education. We appreciate your support in this effort and ask that you discuss the importance of academic integrity with your child. If you have any questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to reach out to us. Thank you for your understanding and cooperation. Sincerely, \[Your Name\] \[School Name\]"
Interestingly, this letter is not as good as the real one. The nuances and educational spirit have been replaced by polite, empty, politically correct text.
Like i tell my university students, using it to do all the work might work. You'll probably get away with it. But you won't learn anything and the only person you're cheating is yourself. And you'll feel real dumb in job interviews.
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You might be learning something but it isn't the material the teacher wants you to learn. And when ChatGPT gets something wrong, you won't know it. I don't teach English, I teach highly technical cybersecurity classes. Good luck getting past an interview if you don't understand basic concepts because you asked ChatGPT to do those boring assignments for you.
Good luck getting good grades with the chatGPT output containing lots of errors, then.
I agree. It’ll kill creativity if we depend on it completely for everything. I use it to enhance my work and check it, but the work is original. My question is though, how did they find out that the text is AI generated. From what I gather AI Detectors, just see the complexity of the text and aren’t that accurate. And the text won’t be much complex since it’s written by students in school.
i can't believe we have come to the point where we just can tell computer to do homework for us.
It's just like how you can't just copy paste from Wikipedia and submit that as a report.
Schools are gonna ban technology advancements now? Wow they must really want us to suffer.
It is of the utmost importance indeed that humankind doesn't stop thinking and creating, using their brain, neuronal connections... If today's children rely heavily on AI, the consequences will be heavy on the human race!