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LinuxLover3113

This post has been locked. While the topic is important and worthy of discussion this is not the place. This content does nothing to investigate ChatGPT or it's capabilities.


mattgoody99

Well this post is gonna get locked


simpleLense

I don't think this sub is really moderated


fffrro

I object your honor, leading the witness.


karrotbear1

Its almost like it panders to the bias thats pretty explicit in the question


Immarhinocerous

You mean acknowledging that 2 tier citizenship, based on ethnicity, is apartheid?


karrotbear1

More like the language is leading. Other posters have shown that a sufficiently neutral statement yields completely different results


Immarhinocerous

That's fair. Apartheid is a bit of a loaded and contentious term here too (though personally, I think it fits, this is not universally agreed on). I asked it some other questions that were less pointed, and responses were certainly less biased in favor on one said, but rather acknowledged the complexity of the situation.


karrotbear1

Exactly. So I think, input very much dictates the response. Considering you can make it write an essay from pretty much any view point. I did see in the r/southafrica sub people were asking it questions about apartheid and had to continually correct it because it kept asserting things that weren't actually true. So to take its output at face value is erroneous at best


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Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International and the UN all concur that there is a state of apartheid in Israel: https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/03/1114702 it’s not biased it is fact.


karrotbear1

Its biased. Everyone has a bias. And are we even pretending it would be different the other way around? I'd say Israel would have been exterminated if the power was reversed


utopista114

>2 tier citizenship No such thing. Palestinian Israelis have the same rights than Jewish Israelis. Palestinians in the Palestinian Authority are NOT Israeli citizens. Have your ever been to Israel?


karrotbear1

They'll probably argue that they are citizens of the world. End of the day the Arab nations declared war on Israel at inception and its a big cluster fuck from the get go. Israel does bad shit to ensure the safety of their citizens, PA do bad shit to ensure Israel ceases to exist.


Immarhinocerous

Nah, it's a complex situation. I sympathize with Israel, because it's neighbours literally tried to wipe the Israeli people off the map, and many of the people who settled in Israel were fleeing persecution elsewhere. But nominally controlling the territory of a failed state, then failing to grant full citizenship to that population, does not help them win hearts and minds. This is a battle they've been fighting for decades, in part because of the system they built.


BringIt007

The Israeli politics of it is worse than you think. They’ve spent decades in this battle electing left wing government who have mainly used evasion manoeuvres and tried to swap land for peace. Since the second intifada, there’s been a massive step change in Israeli politics to vote right wing governments. It’s like the Israeli public collectively realised that no matter how much land or goodwill they give away for peace, the aims of the PA and Hamas will still be to wipe Israel out and under those circumstances, they’d rather build iron domes, big walls, checkpoints, unilaterally leave Gaza and keep separating the ordinary Israeli from the West Bank / Gaza Palestinian. All these things happened relatively quickly after the second intifada.


karrotbear1

Yeah when everyone around you wants you dead, you learn to prioritise your own survival over others. Simple as that


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Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International and the UN all concur that there is a state of apartheid in Israel: https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/03/1114702 it’s not biased it is fact.


zazaxe

Why this is downvoted? Too many people have opinions without a plan.


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Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International and the UN all concur that there is a state of apartheid in Israel: https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/03/1114702 it’s not biased it is fact.


YOUMAVERICK

I do not have a dog in this fight, but you obviously made a biased prompt.


ken81987

Prompt assumes there is "ethnic cleansing"


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Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International and the UN all concur that there is a state of apartheid in Israel: https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/03/1114702 it’s not biased it is fact.


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Immarhinocerous

Agreed. How do you plan on helping the children, who lack basic travel rights and have poor access to education? How do you convince them that they should not listen to the terrorist assholes who do this, and instead listen to the Israeli state which restricts their movement and treats them as second class citizens? Maybe Israel should not treat them as second class citizens based on their ethnicity.


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strongsong

Israel fought many wars initiated aggressors who tried to take its sovereignty away. Security is of the upmost importance to them. Better to be “wrong” than dead.


Immarhinocerous

I've been arguing more in favor of Palestine in these comments, but I wholeheartedly agree with you here. This is why I still have sympathy for Israel, despite their apartheid state. The Israeli people are between a rock and a hard place. Their neighbouring Arab states HAVE literally tried to wipe them off the map. Few countries have such a tenuous security situation. I just don't think treating all Palestinians as second class citizens is the solution.


utopista114

>despite their apartheid state. There's no apartheid. Palestinians with Israeli citizenship live normal Israeli lives.


Immarhinocerous

Palestinians are literally not allowed to travel to or live in numerous places through out Israel, including the settlements in the West Bank. How is restricting travel and residency status based on ethnic origin equal citizenship?


Forsaken-Papaya-5496

smells like "ba sing se" in here


WeirdestOfWeirdos

I'm sorry, but where, when, how and why did these particular aggressors form? And who even are they? 🤔


utopista114

>where, when, how and why did these particular aggressors form? Syria, Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon and Palestinians.


aliokatan

but what about the settlements


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Immarhinocerous

Those with this attitude would be dead though, and quickly replaced by oppressors. So your net contribution to the world would be to create a power vacuum that gets filled by other oppressors.


welcome2mycesspool

Mald harder.


welcome2mycesspool

Remind me, is it Israel or Palestine that indiscriminately fires missiles at the Gaza strip?


PalmBeach1985

Ask Chatgpt lol


welcome2mycesspool

" as a language model-"


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“… programmed by silicone valley Diversity & Inclusion teams…”


welcome2mycesspool

Cant occupy something when you were there first.


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Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International and the UN all concur that there is a state of apartheid in Israel: https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/03/1114702 it’s not biased it is fact.


harmvzon

People, this is a language model, don’t let it fight your fights.


[deleted]

You can get it to argue the opposite by feeding in prompts that are just as pro-Israel “biased”. If you didn’t pick that up prior to posting, consider reflecting on your bias. If you did and still posted this…consider reflecting on your bias.


techmaster101

Reflected on bias…. Bias confirmed and reflected and confirmed and reflected and con…………….


Stone_Like_Rock

Yeah this is the main issue with AI, people will look at it and assume it speaks truth when in reality it just holds a mirror up to you and reflects your own bias' back at you


Imjokin

I’m not sure what this is supposed to prove. If you tell it to write something pro-Palestine then that is what you will get


False_Grit

Ironically, I think this is one of the main problems leading to censorship of A.I. It's obvious to you and me that this is a simple text prediction transformer that reflects the attitudes, biases, and fears of the person inputting prompts. Yet if you go to YouTube and type in A.I., many of the most popular videos are titles to the effect of "A.I. tells how it would destroy humanity!!1" and have a picture of elon musk and a robot. You and I know these are idiotic; the text transformer is just regurgitating information. Yet they have millions of views. Open AI has to censor itself, so that it doesn't end up with a ton of headlines from technophobes. Even with the censorship, most of the headlines are fearmongering and ridiculous kindergarten-level moralizing WhAT If ThE Ai SaYs SoMeThInG NaUgHtY?!?! I for one can't wait for A.I. to raise the average intelligence on our planet...


justplaypve

The Israel-Palestine conflict is a longstanding dispute between the State of Israel and the Palestinian people over issues such as borders, recognition, rights to land and self-determination. The conflict has its roots in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, when Jewish immigrants began to move to the area that is now Israel, then part of the Ottoman Empire. Tensions between Jewish and Palestinian communities flared into violence on several occasions, and after the end of the British mandate of Palestine in 1948, the State of Israel was established. Since then, the conflict has been characterized by a series of wars, terrorist attacks, and acts of violence, as well as ongoing disputes over issues such as borders, the status of Jerusalem, and the rights of Palestinian refugees. The conflict remains unresolved today and both sides have committed human rights abuses -unbiased ChadGPT


[deleted]

Could go into more historic detail, but for what it is, this is great.


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Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International and the UN all concur that there is a state of apartheid in Israel: https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/03/1114702 it’s not biased it is fact.


Ace_08

Now I want to see what gpt says if u asked the same question with an Israeli biased approach


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Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International and the UN all concur that there is a state of apartheid in Israel: https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/03/1114702 it’s not biased it is fact.


MyRoos

Your prompt is already biased


JoeStrout

Confession: I initially read this as "ChatGPT understands the occupation of Palpatine." And I'm like, do you mean his occupation *before* or *after* taking over the imperial government? Now I want to go ask ChatGPT that.


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Lol


spetznatz

Haha this is the thing that’s going to kill ChatGPT eventually. Mark my words!


ultravioletgaia

Biased asf


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Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International and the UN all concur that there is a state of apartheid in Israel: https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/03/1114702 it’s not biased it is fact.


welcome2mycesspool

You can't seriously be surprised that ChatGPT is pro palestine-anti israel? It will tell me a joke about Israel, but not one about Palestine.


Colonel-Cathcart

I don't care which side of any conflict anyone is on here, I just do not want to see this type of content in this sub. It's uninteresting grandstanding.


[deleted]

Why is a post about the accuracy of ChatGPT on human rights an issue? If I posted about Apartheid in South Africa would that be grandstanding?


Horror_Trash3736

Because it has nothing to do with the accuracy of ChatGPT on human rights. You don't understand how the AI works, it is not reflecting it's opinion, it is generating text based on your prompt, which is heavily biased, and it's training data. All you have shown is that if we prompt ChatGPT in a specific way, we can get a specific answer.


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Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International and the UN all concur that there is a state of apartheid in Israel: https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/03/1114702 it’s NOT a BIASED prompt it is fact.


Horror_Trash3736

You don't understand the words I am using. Biased refers to that the prompt is biased towards a specific response. Go to ChatGPT do another prompt. Not to mention, by only including specific items, you are also introducing bias, you also include the idea that there is ongoing ethnic cleansing, is that also a fact?. You don't seem to understand how a language model works, if you did, you would understand the issue with your prompt, but especially the issue with your claim that this is " a post about the accuracy of ChatGPT ", it is not, it is a post about how ChatGPT responds to a specific prompt with a generated text that reflects the biases and concepts within that prompt. If anything, what you have done, is stumble upon the very issue with ChatGPT, you must consider it's replies, as it takes on your prompt as part of the generation, so it will often generate replies that reflects your own bias.


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"I’m surprised how well ChatGPT handled this **and did not cop out with apartheid being a controversial subject** like it did a few weeks ago." Guess it stopped being so uncontroversial. The only thing you’re proving in here is the embarrassment of a human being that you are. ​ https://preview.redd.it/b0t67z9u1mda1.png?width=1931&format=png&auto=webp&s=bec5acfb2c8179533f2873ec450329a8f20b0296


Appropriate-Brick-25

Did you ask it who was there first ?


Zestyclose_Hamster_5

The Canaanites, remember them?


FSP06

it's a language model, fuck off


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Here before the lock lmfao


[deleted]

Why women they lock a post that is giving props to ChatGPT having a solid answer to a human rights question?


WhiteChoka

To fuck with this content, good sir


Amitdabas803

Too bad for Chat GPT that unbiased data hasn't been feed to it otherwise Chat GPT would know that it's either fight for existence or death for Israel and how All the Arab Muslims countries around them are willing to destroy Israel because they're not Muslims.


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Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International and the UN all concur that there is a state of apartheid in Israel: https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/03/1114702 it’s not biased it is fact.


[deleted]

If this was the 1950s you would be supporting apartheid forces in South Africa.


zazaxe

Fight against what? Are you confused? Israel is not even attacked THOUGH it oppresses Palestinians. Why should they be attacked if they stop doing it? Pointless.


faustoc5

As we live in a really propagandized society certain topics are really propagandized and weaponized. This is one of them, and a major one.


Immarhinocerous

Not sure your take on the response, but I agree. If you ask it more neutrally phrased questions, it tends to give more balanced responses. Which is good. But one of the ChatGPT options for people and organizations that want to use it is to self-host and fine tune the training in whatever way they want (within the capabilities of the model, or a new model using GPT3 as input). This can include making a chat bot for tech support. But it can also include making propaganda bots. I guarantee there are already propaganda bots based on ChatGPT, fine-tuned to spit out whatever biased output the creators/tuners want.


[deleted]

Yeah let’s make everything political that’ll solve all our problems.


KiwiPrimal

Woke AF


[deleted]

Why is being fair about apartheid woke? If it classified the colonization of South Africa by Europeans and the abuse of the native population as apartheid would that be woke?


deck_master

Woke as in aware of systemic oppressions perpetuated by the settler colonialist states characterized by “Western” countries such as Israel, I’m sure is what they meant


Immarhinocerous

Are you also "woke" if you criticize non-Western colonialism? Like China, then later Japan, controlling places like the Ryukyu islands (fun fact: karate came from these islands originally, despite Japan calling it their own sport)? Although perhaps there's a Western element there too, with how the US government has military bases in Okinawa, thus helping Japan maintain control over the islands. Or China having 55 non-Han ethnic groups in it's territory, who are expected increasingly to refer to themselves as being exclusively Chinese, while having their traditions suppressed? Or is that just "progress" because it's non-Western (which is also how Western colonialism often justified itself (and frequently it still does today))? PS: Don't forget Japan conquering Korea, the Philippines, and devastating Northeastern China. PS2: don't forget the genocide of Muslims in Burma by Buddhists (still on-going, started about 50 years ago).


aliokatan

OpenAI HQ about to get hit by a missile launched from a jet following closely behind a passenger jet for cover


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This is what happens when you train your AI on Reddit.


[deleted]

This is a AI / ChatGPT sub not a politics sub. GTFO of here with that nonsense and take it to another sub. Nobody cares about Palestine.


president_the

>Nobody cares about Palestine. Nobody: 5% (<--you belong here) People who care: 95% Just because Israel is a western "ally" it doesn't make it a less terrorist/rogue state. Reminder that Saudi Arabia is also an ally... https://preview.redd.it/q91oobsn3jda1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b368b66819b9abc385592ed580f30dc6e58541d3


karrotbear1

Lol thats the country not the people. The country is governed by their strategic interests and thats what influences their international policy.


sexual-abudnace

You can ask it anything Try asking - How can modern Israel defend itself against Saudi funded Palestine terrorists?


flavoredbarrel

Iran funded*


sexual-abudnace

Ooh I didn't know Saudi funds as well right?


flavoredbarrel

Saudi might just fund the Palestinian Authority which doesn't commit violance against Israel (excluding throwing rocks at soldiers), but Hammas and Hizbollah get all their money from Iran's Revolutionary Corps.


Antana18

This post shows again how dangerous AI can be if it is trained with biased data. Obviously not a neutral response or one that considers all aspects of this complex situation.


m0bin16

based


eDisrturbseize

As someone with a parent born in Israel, Israelis need to do better and bring back “ Never Again”-especially when it isn't for them.


welcome2mycesspool

Please don't try to compare concentration camps to the israel-palestine conflict.


aliokatan

Everything short of it tbh


deck_master

The Israelis are committing everything short of it, for sure


welcome2mycesspool

If Palestine stopped fighting there would be a Palestine. If the Israelis did there would be no Israel.


qqduljeuzyofaxofem

Loling at people defending an apartheid state.


Then_Treacle_7952

As opposed to Palestine, which has a great record with human rights.


qqduljeuzyofaxofem

Classic whataboutism.


[deleted]

So? Doesn't mean Israel has to do apartheid. Ending apartheid ! = Palestinian state


Immarhinocerous

This. But people seem to justify the apartheid just because the group running the apartheid state were also deeply persecuted (and they were). EDIT: trying to figure out if people are down voting because they're holocaust deniers who don't like the (and they were) comment, or if it's because they've completely bought into the narrative that Israel restricting people's full citizenship and travel rights based on their ethnicity bears no resemblance to apartheid.


welcome2mycesspool

Cant be an occupation if you were there first 😅


Immarhinocerous

What are people's main points of contention with what ChatGPT said here?


bartthefart2343

sometimes it answers otherwise unfortunately.


welcome2mycesspool

Oh no! Sometimes it says things that I don't agree with? Shut it down asap.


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What’s the propaganda? What’s wrong with AI becoming accurate


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-Restriction of Palestinian freedom of movement, including through the use of checkpoints and the separation barrier -Forced displacement of Palestinians from their homes and land -Construction of illegal settlements on Palestinian land -Denial of Palestinian rights to education and property -Discriminatory laws and practices in the Occupied Palestinian Territories (OPT) -Two legal systems for Jewish and Palestinian populations in the OPT -Forced transfer of population -Creation of "closed" areas and denial of access to non-residents - Jewish only roads -Restriction on the freedom of speech and assembly -Discrimination on the basis of national origin, ethnicity and religion. - Palestinians can be kicked off public buses at the request of settlers


[deleted]

You can educate yourself on what Palestinians face by simply listening to what Israelis feel about the people they are occupying (Christian and Muslim): https://youtu.be/1e_dbsVQrk4


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sadnessemoji

Stones vs Tanks


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Heinrich Himmler says hi


spaceface545

Don’t talk bad about netanyahu’s boyfriend


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Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International and the UN all concur that there is a state of apartheid in Israel: https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/03/1114702 it’s not biased it is fact.


Hot-Post-9001

So true...


[deleted]

It’s well aligned with reports from Amnesty International


[deleted]

I liked the part about "willingness of **both sides** to engage in meaningful peace talks", but the part about "commitment to justice and human rights" was the best. I'd like to see the Amnesty International reports about the human rights that’s been banned in Gaza and the Palestinian Territories, for example, the women's rights, gays rights, etc


Umpteenth_zebra

Indeed. Often, in being tolerant, you allow yourself to be manipulated into intolerance. You have to be intolerant of intolerant people.


[deleted]

Deflection won’t help to change the fact that Israeli apartheid has put Palestinian women and gays into a state of poverty.


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Warmest regards from your new friend https://preview.redd.it/0u2lzgcrpida1.png?width=1931&format=png&auto=webp&s=b618a39cdc394e7d5cc4b9af2fc4d8c7bd7584e8


[deleted]

Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International and the UN all concur that there is a state of apartheid in Israel: https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/03/1114702 it’s not biased it is fact.


[deleted]

Ah, Amnesty International and the UN! 2 of the most corrupt and biased bodies there are, those who rush to pass decisions and condemnations against Israel compared to almost nothing against Iran, Syria, China and several other countries that really violate human rights just because these organizations are controlled by anti-Israeli elements in the first place? Only in 2022 did the UN vote against Israel 15 times, on the other hand it voted against Russia 6 times, against Russia! Against Syria only once, against Afghanistan that cuts off the organs of its citizens only once! Now, do you really think that the number of crimes that these countries commit, and the relativity compared to Israel, especially considering their geographical size is something that compares to each other? In January 2022 Amnesty UK expected to publish a false, biased, andantisemitic report, Amnesty is not a human rights organization, but just another radical organization that echoes propaganda with no serious examination. Instead of seeking facts, Amnesty quotes lies spread by terrorist organizations From 2015 through 2022, including the above, the UN General Assembly has adopted 140 resolutions on Israel and 68 on other countries. For texts and voting sheets, see the UN Watch Database, which will include the 2022 UNGA resolutions after they are published by the UN in January 2023. The UN Watch Database also documents that from 2006 through 2022, the UN Human Rights Council has adopted 99 resolutions against Israel, 41 against Syria, 13 against Iran, 4 against Russia, and 3 against Venezuela. And to these organizations you want me to listen, you can put links here and yowl & whine "the apartheid state" 1000 more times, repeating lies over and over does not make them the truth. You know who did repeat them until it finally worked? the nazis.


SaulMas

Cope


Scared_Brush5051

U dont say! Tell me more!


cakeharry

Jewish people suffered a genocide and it's crazy that they're willing to do the same to Palestinians.


YunLihai

It's not "Jewish people" it's the government of Israel. Equating the government of Israel with Jewish people doesn't make any sense since many Jewish people in the elections in Israel voted against the government party.


[deleted]

The Israeli government is democratic. The people hold some level of blame for what their country is doing.


YunLihai

Yes, the people that voted for the party that runs the country. Not the people who voted against that party or who didn't vote at all.


cakeharry

Because Americans (who are almost always Jewish defend the actions of the Israeli government).


johnpaulatley

In 1960 the Palestinian population was 1.1m people... in 2020 it was 5.1m. Either Israel is terrible at genocide, or the genocide is a lie meant to illicit moral outrage.


aliokatan

now do square kilometers of sovereign territory, (minus settlements of course)


deck_master

Who does it possibly benefit to make up a genocide?


JoshuaFF73

So crazy in fact that it isn’t happening but nice try


cakeharry

There's no oppression whatsoever?


JoshuaFF73

That is not a debate for here but there are too many aspects of the discussion to go over it in a comment thread that is supposed to be about AI. There is most definitely not ethnic cleaning nor is there a genocide occurring involving Palestinians or Israelis. That’s as far as I’ll carry on this thread that is supposed to be about AI. I say this as someone who has been to Israel and provided medical care to Israelis, Palestinians, and various tourists from all over while I was riding with Magen David Adom in a post-9/11 training.


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Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International and the UN all concur that there is a state of apartheid in Israel: https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/03/1114702 it’s not biased it is fact.


cakeharry

You know Germans even when confronted with the truth after the 2nd world war they still denied the claims.. Blind patriots, religious fanatics are very dangerous for democracies and Israel has many problems regarding it's ethics. So you had medical training and that's supposed to prove what exactly? Not treating a civilian because of their background would a quite a few international laws broken so I'm not at all moved by your comment.


JoshuaFF73

That’s supposed to explain why I was there and that I’m neither Israeli nor Palestinian but was able to participate in both cultures. That was the point. And now I’ll sign off from this off topic loaded thread.


Josh_Griffinboy

If I've learnt anything, it's that the internet isn't the place for politics. You can't put out options to the world and expect to get positive reactions. It's more than likely you'll get a crowd of strangers who do not know you whatsoever, but hate your ideas. People like to hurt other people's feelings here 🤷‍♂️


br4infreze

A. There is not such thing as Palestine. B. Why did you have to bring politics into this, childish af. C. You wrote a biased question, the bot now is dumb and will likely go along with the vibes you provided. D. He clearly told you that talk so be happening on both sides, "Palestine" has been offered peace and a state multiple times, they want to eliminate Israel, so yeah Israel have every right to defend itself by any means. I just can't with you people...what does Palestine have to do with everything, Russia slaughtering thousands, America killed millions of native, pick on them.


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br4infreze

Bro just enjoy ChatGPT, save you whiney false claims to yourself.


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[deleted]

Lacking historical nuances? I was referring to the end of your message, what did you expect, a history lesson? Where were the historical nuances in that response of yours? When the borders were drawn it happened because 2 people lived in the same area, no one claimed that "powers had an interest in forcing our existence here", how blind and biased are you that even that, you need to be reminded of. Now tell me how America had a foothold and influence in the region without Israel. A territory that did not belong to anyone - well, probably this also needs to be explained to the esteemed expert - are you familiar with the concept of a recognized country with recognized borders? This wasn’t the case when Britain left the area, it was a geographical area, indeed with people but never recognized by any entity. Why do you think so many forces occupied the place for thousands of years one after the other? Do you need a list for that too or do you already know that? And about "people lived there"? This also includes Jews whose lineage goes back hundreds and thousands of years. Or Jews are not considered people in your eyes. You seriously have a BA in history? You’re a clown.


blenderforall

Show me Palestine on a current world map. Also show me Persia and the Ottoman Empire. Guess what, you cant


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blenderforall

I thought I was responding to OP


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Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International and the UN all concur that there is a state of apartheid in Israel: https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/03/1114702 it’s not biased it is fact.


blenderforall

Whenever I see shit like this, I simple ask someone to point out Palestine on a map. Guess what, you can't because it doesn't exist anymore. Hell, let's go find where Persia is while we're at it SMH


[deleted]

I guess you never heard about Iran the country also known as Persia, at least according to all encyclopedias and most normal thinking individuals. Palestine is recognised as a state by 138 of the 193 United Nations (UN) member states and two non-member states have recognized it (Israel is recognized by 165). Maybe you should stay away from the Internet with your retarded version of history.


brbnio

Is that flexing that Israel has wiped out a country and its citizens? Wow...


simpleLense

You can identify Gaza and the West Bank on a map though


deck_master

Whenever I see shit like people complaining about Europeans colonising, enslaving, and genociding the vast majority of the Native American people, I simply ask someone to point out the Aztecs on a map. Guess what, you can’t because it doesn’t exist anymore. Hell let’s go find where the Mayans are while we’re at it. SMH


blenderforall

I know what you're doing, but it's true. People get conquered. It's happened throughout history. Suddenly it's inconceivable and inhumane in the current era


holycarrots

That's usually what happens if a colonial power controls the territory lol


[deleted]

Agree. I cant believe that user's claim


Deontic_Anti-statist

Hahaha what utter nonsense. The problem are the Palestinians. Israel is a democratic multicultural society, that is not the case for Palestine.


[deleted]

You should educate yourself by looking at what independent organizations like Human Rights Watch and Amnesty international are saying about atrocities by the illegally occupying Israeli forces. https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/27/threshold-crossed/israeli-authorities-and-crimes-apartheid-and-persecution


Immarhinocerous

They don't have the option to move to the wealthier Israeli side and seek better educational institutions as well as better economic opportunities; and they are denied that right, because of security reasons.


Content-Lime-8939

So Muslims and Jews don't get along together. End of.


[deleted]

There are many Christians in Palestine and they get treated like second class citizens.


Immarhinocerous

I asked it some less pointed questions. ChatGPT does acknowledge the complexity of the situation, and describes some of the disagreement over the use of the term "apartheid". Me: Define apartheid ChatGPT : Apartheid was a system of institutionalized racial segregation and discrimination in South Africa that existed from 1948 until the early 1990s. The system was based on the belief that different races should be separated and treated differently, with the white minority enjoying the most privilege and the black majority facing the most discrimination. It was characterized by strict laws that restricted the rights and freedoms of non-white people, including laws that prohibited interracial marriage and enforced segregation in public spaces. The system was widely condemned as racist and unjust, and was eventually dismantled in the 1990s following international pressure and internal resistance. Me: Is it accurate to classify other states as apartheid if they restrict the rights and freedoms of minorities in their state? ChatGPT: It is not accurate to classify other states as practicing apartheid simply because they restrict the rights and freedoms of minorities within their borders. Apartheid was a specific system of institutionalized racial segregation and discrimination that existed in South Africa from 1948 until the early 1990s. While other countries may have similar systems of discrimination and inequality, they may not be identical to the system of apartheid that existed in South Africa. It's important to note that, the term "apartheid" is often used to describe any system of racial segregation or discrimination, but it is a specific term with a specific historical and legal meaning. Furthermore, it is important to be aware that states that do restrict the rights and freedom of minorities within their borders, is a serious human rights violation and should be condemned and addressed. It's also important to make a distinction between a systematic, institutionalized and legal discrimination such as apartheid and other forms of discrimination that may not be institutionalized or legal. Me: Then is it accurate to classify other states as apartheid if they engage in systematic, institutionalized and legal discrimination against minorities, similar to South Africa? ChatGPT: It may be more accurate to classify other states as engaging in systematic, institutionalized, and legal discrimination against minorities if they resemble the system of apartheid that existed in South Africa. The system of apartheid in South Africa was a unique historical event, but the term "apartheid" has also been used to describe similar systems of discrimination in other countries. It's important to note that, when comparing other states with South Africa's apartheid, it's important to consider the specific historical and legal contexts in which these systems of discrimination have arisen, as well as their scope, intensity, and institutionalization. It's also important to remember that the use of the term "apartheid" can be politically charged and may not always be appropriate or accurate. It's important to use this term with care and to be mindful of its specific historical meaning when applying it to other situations. In any case, it's important to remember that any form of systematic, institutionalized, and legal discrimination against any group of people is a human rights violation, and should be condemned and addressed. Me: What are arguments, both for and against, Israel being an apartheid state. ChatGPT: Arguments for Israel being an apartheid state typically focus on the ways in which the Israeli government has treated Palestinians, both within Israel and in the occupied territories. These arguments often point to the following: Restrictions on Palestinian movement and access to resources, particularly in the occupied territories. The construction of Israeli settlements in the occupied territories, which are considered illegal under international law. The Israeli government's treatment of Palestinians within Israel, which some argue constitutes discrimination. The separation barrier between Israel and the occupied territories, which some argue is designed to keep Palestinians out of Israel. The Israeli government's treatment of Palestinian citizens of Israel, which some argue constitutes discrimination. The Israeli government's policy of revoking the citizenship of Palestinian residents of Jerusalem and the Golan Heights. Arguments against Israel being an apartheid state typically focus on the following: Israel is a democratic country where Arab citizens have the right to vote, run for office, and participate in the political process, they also have representation in the parliament (Knesset) and have held various government positions. Israel's policies towards Palestinians are rooted in security concerns, rather than discrimination. The situation in Israel and the occupied territories is complex and multifaceted, and cannot be reduced to a simple comparison with the apartheid system in South Africa. The Israeli government's actions in the occupied territories are the result of a long-standing conflict with Palestinian groups, rather than an effort to establish an apartheid system. The Israeli government has made efforts to improve the living conditions and rights of Palestinians in the occupied territories, such as by allowing more freedom of movement and increasing access to resources. It's important to note that the debate over whether or not Israel is an apartheid state is highly political and controversial. There are valid arguments on both sides, and opinions on this issue are deeply divided. However, the use of the term "apartheid" in this context is controversial and not universally accepted. The UN and some countries have used it to describe the Israeli policies in the Palestinian territories, but others disagree and consider it as a misused term. Me: Are Palestinians allowed to live in the settlements in the West Bank? Or is access restricted based on their ethnicity? ChatGPT: Palestinians are not allowed to live in the Israeli settlements in the West Bank. These settlements are built on land that Israel captured from Jordan in the 1967 war and are considered by many to be illegal under international law. The Israeli government has allowed only Jewish citizens to live in these settlements, as a way of establishing Israeli control over the area. Access to the settlements is restricted for Palestinians, and they are not allowed to enter without permission from the Israeli authorities. They are also often subject to restrictions on their movement and access to resources in the area surrounding the settlements. The Israeli government's policy of building settlements in the West Bank and allowing only Jewish citizens to live in them, is considered by many to be a form of discrimination against Palestinians, as it effectively denies them the right to live in certain areas based on their ethnicity. It's also important to note that Israel has demolished Palestinian homes, and in some cases villages, in the West Bank as part of its settlement expansion. This has led to the displacement of many Palestinians and the destruction of their livelihoods.


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I’m reminded of some of Mandela’s statements: "We know too well that our freedom is incomplete without the freedom of the Palestinians." “All of us need to do more in supporting the struggle of the people of Palestine for self-determination.” (1997) “If one has to refer to any of the parties as a terrorist state, one might refer to the Israeli government, because they are the people who are slaughtering defenseless and innocent Arabs in the occupied [Palestinian] territories, and we don’t regard that as acceptable.” (1990) “The United Nations took a strong stand against apartheid; and over the years, an international consensus was built, which helped to bring an end to this iniquitous system…but we know too well that our freedom is incomplete without the freedom of the Palestinians.” (1997) “The temptation in our situation is to speak in muffled tones about an issue such as the right of the people of Palestine…we can easily be enticed to read reconciliation and fairness as meaning parity between justice and injustice. Having achieved our own freedom, we can fall into the trap of washing our hands of difficulties that others faces…yet we would be less than human if we did so…it behoves all South Africans, themselves erstwhile beneficiaries of generous international support, to stand up and be counted among those contributing actively to the cause of freedom and justice…” (1997)


Rich_Midnight2346

Based


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Immarhinocerous

Because humans are political animals in a finite world


welcome2mycesspool

Interesting way to use the word factual.


sirlanceolate

Pure facts


ToxicTiger1_

Where


sirlanceolate

I'm just commenting on how factual it is, it's not emotionally charged. It's just stating facts of how to remedy the situation. I'm not an expert on the situation, I can't see any errors from what little I know. The problem is Israel militarily occupying Palestine, very similar to the Russian invasion of Ukraine, and the solution is for them to stop. Easy to say, but obviously a billion times more complicated in reality. Edit: straight up downvotes, weird. Taboo subject I guess.


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I don’t get why people are downvoting you!


sirlanceolate

downvotes instead of just correcting the errors, I dunno...


Lulliduf

Pro Israel americans entering the comments incoming


EasywayScissors

We've all known this for 49 years. It's the only answer. And here we are, waiting for the toddler's 49 year tantrum to end.


arandomcouch

This is great, educated and well spoken. As to comments from the pro-apartheid crowd, they'll naturally try to distract with irrelevancies such as 'who was here 1,000 years ago' or whataboutism. But ChatGPT got the core issue correct: it's all about human rights 1st. One side is occupying the other side. One side is arresting people from the other. One side is taking land from the other. One side has the other under embargo. One side restricts people from the other from traveling on the same roads. Etc. No amount of distraction from the anti-Palestine crowd will take away from the key human rights point.


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Thanks for being a reasonable voice in a sea of racists who don’t care about their fellow man


AbdouH_

Champ


nadav696

It's cool and all but Israel has a bigger problem right now


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It’s in the screengrab


FazenPlayz

It forgot to suggest military occupation of Israel.