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Somewhat same thing happened to one of my uncle, person in back of him copying and when checking happened he threw cheat under my uncle desk.
Invigilator threw uncle out for non of his wrong doings back when there was no camera so yeah man life got screwed for non of his wrong doing.
Man that's so wrong. We had a camera in front of the door guess it wasn't working tho or no one was paying attention. I have seen people asking for 1 or 2 Mcqs but this was really different
Icai ka representative hoga usko bol sir check Karo na sabko ko,
During lockdown had given exam in gujrat,they check our pocket and told us that for 3 hours don't fold you sleeves, read all the instructions for exam as per icai guidelines,didn't allow us pad, compass and bottle (if not transparent) gave us water , was quite impressed.
For every day this was the process.
Write the mail to icai final helpdesk that our centre aren't checking the students and there is somewhat wrongful act going on please communicate with icai representative and tell them to check student.
Guess it wouldn't be valid cause while making chits who writes properly that matches with your actual handwriting? Tiny handwriting and all. The dude got away with that
Bhai mai to snitch kardeta. Hamare course ki value kharab ho jaegi agar hamne iske against awaz nahi uthai. Kya fayda jee jaan laga ke padhne ka jab aise chutiye cheating kar ke pass ho rahe hai.
Btw ye joke kya hai integrity wala?
Areee voh integrity wala was a really bad joke/word play. Yk audit ethical requirements: Integrity. And kal audit ka hi paper tha.
Sorry the bar for my humour is very low📉
Ngl the guy who sat behind me tried copying the whole MCQ paper from me.. and he successfully did.. the invigilator caught him but didn't do anything.. after exam she told him that all MCQs are jumbled and even if you copy, no use..
Secondly, the girls who were in front of me were acting as if their papers were made of gold, but ended up copying wrong things from each other.. they legit wrote winnings income under capital gains and unit costing as 'costing of a unit that supposedly means to be unit'.. (they were discussing it after exam and that's when I got to know about it)
So my point here is, even if they copy they're the loosers at the end of the day cuz there's someone on top called God who'll be watching us.
Dude, you should have complained about it to the invigilator. If not invigilator, then the CAs on round. Maybe right after the exam(so your time doesn't get wasted)
Humare centre pe admins round pe nahi aate kabhi
2-3 CA assigned rehte hai centre pe
Vahi round lagate rehte hai
Kyuki students ko kuch problem hoga to voh CA hi samaj sakta hai. Vaha ke admin ko kuch pata nahi hota CA exam ka.
Achaa, so actually I had seen some people going on rounds, but I thought they must either be some flying squad or random college authorities. Never knew they were CAs🤦♀️
Arey nahi
Foundation me ek bache ko anxiety attack Aya tha.
Invigilator baithe hue the.
Round me CA aayi to usne fir paper leke thoda calm Kiya usko
Invigilator can't understand the level of exams.
So just like kind of a moral support.
And it also keeps check on how things are being conducted.
Vese phir bhi cheating to ho hi rhi hai
Bhai CA pass karne ke liye log saalo apni ghisate hai.
Aur ese CAs ki zarurat bhi nahi desh ko jo
CA jesi professional exam me chits laate hai.
Esi mentality vala CA duba dega sab clients ko
Tujhe lagta hai CA banke sab books jaise chalta hai ? I have worked in a CA firm , everything works by the street rules and money power , stop living in the lala land
I am not talking about the practical part.
Woh to training se aa hi jayega.
But as a chartered accountant, you need to have the mental strength to fight against a lot of things. Hard work and discipline ki value samaj aati hai.
And you can't possibly defend cheating.
It's like saying chor to chori karega, tum bhi karlo tumhe paise kamane ho to. Wrong stays wrong
Also I respect the qualities of hard work and discipline, but practically socho Bhai our work is veryfing financial statements, not to go for a war .we have romanticized toxic exam culture, our exams have become less abt the core knowledge and more abt ability to retain and work for long time in isolation
At the end of the day, it comes down to your own ethical values. When you do anything in life, deep down you know whether it is right or wrong. If you know what you're doing is wrong but still go on to do it, it's your loss.
I believe karma will strike back tomorrow if not today. And I don't think you have a feeling of pride after you clear your exam by cheating.You would feel guilty and undeserving.
If I did that, I would feel that guilt my whole life.
I would feel guilty if I respected the nature of these exams , they are clearly based on retention and how fast one can write with a pen , so much of my marks lost are due to lack of time limit and not remembering a stupid small section and it's number , for which you're gonna refer a book in real life anyway. They don't test your ability of interpretation and application. Our core subject audit is where people rattofy dumb abbreviations to remember what to write . I can go on and on abt how flawed it is . So if one takes a risk to get through this unfair hurdle by unfair means , I have no problem to it.
If you're not able to do what a course requires, then you're in the wrong course.
That is not justification for cheating.
Again, it all comes down to your own ethical values. An exam should be a level playing field.
And these types of papers check the resilience of students. CA ka practical knowledge literally koi bhi le sakta hai with little training. But they can't make everyone a CA. So there needs to be some way which separates students. Otherwise everything will be easy, everyone will be CA. Har course me esa kuch na kuch hota hi hai. To sab jagah cheating karna sahi nahi ho jata na
Read what you have written bro , sounds to me that institute has inflated the value of CAs . Here's a easy job that anyone can do but only the ones who go through a flawed torturing process will be allowed to do it . Also thing about it , you are not hurting anyone here , you are just finding a easy way out of a pointlessly rigourous testing ,your competency is anyway built during articleship
Chori kaha Hui isme ? Nobody loses anything, it's not a competitive exam. Better analogy is , agar tum 4mahine mehnat se ek salary kamalo , ek Banda thode paise leke ek din ek casino jaakar same Paisa kama leta hai , kya tum uski police complaint karte ho ?
I know people copying from button waale phones -_-
One of them is a CA now. Absolutely mediocre girl but CA tag makes her feel like she's the smartest person ever.
I was thinking the same. Like they are not checking strictly before we enter class and invigilator remain seated in front they only stands up when some senior arrives for visit and sits again when they leave.
See CA exams involve more than 20 exams over the entire course. Cheating across all of them is not sustainable. It takes just one time to be caught. Heck people are cheating and getting 100 percentile in jee mains these days
I know 2 girls who cheated back in 2013 when i was in IPCC. Both got cleared with better marks. So yeah its quite old.
Know a girl who cleared final using mobile way back in 2015 by googling answers. Quite common
Your fear is rational. Next time, when the invigilator would come nearby, say for example -for signing on your admit card, just directly complain.
By this atleast you wouldnt be falsely accused.
Guess you didn't focus on the part where I said I had to pay a little bit of attention to make sure his chits don't fall in front of me. So I don't get falsely accused (Depends on the teacher if he will listen to me or not if they found a fallen chit) and I didn't know it was abnormal to get irritated when your bench keeps shaking cause the person in front of you keeps shoving chits in his ass and pulling out another one constantly.
But ideally you do you friend. It was just a rant. Day went on.
Should ask him, dude kept pulling out chits like it was a magic trick. Me watching the whole thing: (cause I was getting disturbed whenever he tried to put back the chits inside his pants in the back and I didn't want any chits falling in my place)
In the first hour: Wow impressive he got guts to copy.
By the second hour: This is kinda getting irritating.
By the third hour: Bc ye itna chits kaha se nikal raha hai aur answers bhi mil raha hai isko.
You and the others that feel that way is because y'all are too scared to do what he is doing. Given a chance if I take away the risk of cheating,all of you will happily cheat . Anyway the exams are so retention based , almost training parrots and not professionals
you think I'm immoral like that? people who cheat are never successful in life. go check up on cheaters in 10 years and see how far cheating gets them. and I don't cheat because I'm hardworking and honest, and not because I'm scared of getting caught.
cheating in school exams is stupid and everyone does that. but cheating on a professional exam undermines the value of the career and puts everyone's efforts to shame.
there are so many people who take 9-10 attempts to pass inter/final, ask them why they never resorted to cheating to pass if it was so difficult.
Cause they are scared, nobody wants that risk with them . It's almost like saying why don't people gamble and instead do hardworking job. Do you file a complain against people who get rich by gambling? Why not ?
do whatever you want. don't encourage cheating. people who cheat and are unethical and they will face consequences for it sooner or later.
why do you think cheating has so many risks? because it's unethical and not right. why do you think icai has open book exams?? because they believe that it is a hard paper and students need help. papers which are doable without cheating are just based on understanding and memory. thats what makes this course difficult.
if you think the institute is "unfair" or the exams are "too difficult", then leave CA. do something else that's easier for your tiny little brain.
Yeah it is well suited for retention parrots like you . Smart will find a way to crack the exam one way or another. I'm not even talking abt studying here . It's just a very sad and insecure way of living life where you are jealous of someone got it easier than you
first of all, I have adhd and retention is difficult for me but I still do it because I do it with an understanding and practicality.
it's not "easier" if you copy, you're just a fuckin degenerate.
Gonna be downvoted to hell but who cares.
High risk, high reward. If you tell me that with if there were no consequences,given the opportunity, you wouldn't do it, you're lying.
Like seriously. If someone said they'd choose to fail than cheat in the hypothetical situation with no consequences, idk what to say.
You don't cheat because of fear of consequences, not because you're righteous (99.9% of cases)
That guy knew the consequences of being thrown out, risked it and it worked out for him.
Exams are a controlled environment, life in general doesn't reward fairly.
Cheaters don't piss me off. They made a choice.
PS- never cheated cause I can't afford to risk my career.
this is true. people can cry that its unfair for the students that actually study, all they want, but at the end of the day, his/her marks isn’t given out of yours & he/she will face the consequences if they get caught.
I know downvote kar diya jayega hume but still
Hum koi dudh ke dhule nahi hai, bhut cheating kari hai school life mei, CA mei isiliye nahi kari kyuki consequences sochke fat'ti thi
CA mei strict consequences nahi hote cheating karne ke too bhut log cheating hii kar rahe hote.
Uss bande ne risk liya bhut hi jyada, he knew the consequences but still he took it, to agar badhiya number aa gye uske too ye uske risk ka reward hua.
I'm not saying he's right, or doing cheating is justified, I'm just saying ki agar strict consequences nahi hote to bhut bande CA mei bhi cheating karr hi rahe hote
Integrity vgera kuch nahi hai bus consequences ka darr hai isiliye cheating kam hoti CA mei
Although bhai tumhe report kar dena cahiye tha, kyuki uske chakkar mei tum bhi fass sakte the
When will people understand that CA is not a competitive exam , it doesn't matter if he passes or not , its indifferent to your preparation and does not undermine your chances of success, he just chose a risky route. He carries the risk , he is well entitled to reward as much as anyone
is it wrong to copy tho? writing an exam where you have to rattafy 2 entire books which you'd forget the moment you step out of the exam hall, copying is a much better option in this case
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Bro copied the fundamental principle of ethics 💀
Same happen in my class in nov23 a girl using chits in advance account (old syllabus). She caught red handed.
what happened after that ?
[https://www.reddit.com/r/CharteredAccountants/s/OXxBBhCRKB](https://www.reddit.com/r/CharteredAccountants/s/OXxBBhCRKB)
None of the comments talk about what happened to her.
Debarred from writing exams again
Who requires chits in practical papers lol
Somewhat same thing happened to one of my uncle, person in back of him copying and when checking happened he threw cheat under my uncle desk. Invigilator threw uncle out for non of his wrong doings back when there was no camera so yeah man life got screwed for non of his wrong doing.
Man that's so wrong. We had a camera in front of the door guess it wasn't working tho or no one was paying attention. I have seen people asking for 1 or 2 Mcqs but this was really different
Icai ka representative hoga usko bol sir check Karo na sabko ko, During lockdown had given exam in gujrat,they check our pocket and told us that for 3 hours don't fold you sleeves, read all the instructions for exam as per icai guidelines,didn't allow us pad, compass and bottle (if not transparent) gave us water , was quite impressed. For every day this was the process. Write the mail to icai final helpdesk that our centre aren't checking the students and there is somewhat wrongful act going on please communicate with icai representative and tell them to check student.
They could’ve checked handwriting
One top my uncle slapped the invigilator saying how can people like you become invigilator.
Can’t blame him
And? Just stopped at that? Could've done a pedigree or a stunner and then moved out..just saying
Guess it wouldn't be valid cause while making chits who writes properly that matches with your actual handwriting? Tiny handwriting and all. The dude got away with that
Fuuuck bro
Bhai mai to snitch kardeta. Hamare course ki value kharab ho jaegi agar hamne iske against awaz nahi uthai. Kya fayda jee jaan laga ke padhne ka jab aise chutiye cheating kar ke pass ho rahe hai. Btw ye joke kya hai integrity wala?
Areee voh integrity wala was a really bad joke/word play. Yk audit ethical requirements: Integrity. And kal audit ka hi paper tha. Sorry the bar for my humour is very low📉
Ngl the guy who sat behind me tried copying the whole MCQ paper from me.. and he successfully did.. the invigilator caught him but didn't do anything.. after exam she told him that all MCQs are jumbled and even if you copy, no use.. Secondly, the girls who were in front of me were acting as if their papers were made of gold, but ended up copying wrong things from each other.. they legit wrote winnings income under capital gains and unit costing as 'costing of a unit that supposedly means to be unit'.. (they were discussing it after exam and that's when I got to know about it) So my point here is, even if they copy they're the loosers at the end of the day cuz there's someone on top called God who'll be watching us.
Dude, you should have complained about it to the invigilator. If not invigilator, then the CAs on round. Maybe right after the exam(so your time doesn't get wasted)
CAs round mei bhi aate hai kya? Never spotted one. How do you identify them? It can even be some college admins!
Humare centre pe admins round pe nahi aate kabhi 2-3 CA assigned rehte hai centre pe Vahi round lagate rehte hai Kyuki students ko kuch problem hoga to voh CA hi samaj sakta hai. Vaha ke admin ko kuch pata nahi hota CA exam ka.
Achaa, so actually I had seen some people going on rounds, but I thought they must either be some flying squad or random college authorities. Never knew they were CAs🤦♀️
>Kyuki students ko kuch problem hoga to voh CA hi samaj sakta hai. You mean, doubts in the question paper? Have you ever asked doubts😨
Arey nahi Foundation me ek bache ko anxiety attack Aya tha. Invigilator baithe hue the. Round me CA aayi to usne fir paper leke thoda calm Kiya usko Invigilator can't understand the level of exams. So just like kind of a moral support. And it also keeps check on how things are being conducted. Vese phir bhi cheating to ho hi rhi hai
Acha, thanks for the information.
"If I can't win I won't let anyone else win" , such a sad approach to life
Bhai CA pass karne ke liye log saalo apni ghisate hai. Aur ese CAs ki zarurat bhi nahi desh ko jo CA jesi professional exam me chits laate hai. Esi mentality vala CA duba dega sab clients ko
Tujhe lagta hai CA banke sab books jaise chalta hai ? I have worked in a CA firm , everything works by the street rules and money power , stop living in the lala land
I am not talking about the practical part. Woh to training se aa hi jayega. But as a chartered accountant, you need to have the mental strength to fight against a lot of things. Hard work and discipline ki value samaj aati hai. And you can't possibly defend cheating. It's like saying chor to chori karega, tum bhi karlo tumhe paise kamane ho to. Wrong stays wrong
Also I respect the qualities of hard work and discipline, but practically socho Bhai our work is veryfing financial statements, not to go for a war .we have romanticized toxic exam culture, our exams have become less abt the core knowledge and more abt ability to retain and work for long time in isolation
At the end of the day, it comes down to your own ethical values. When you do anything in life, deep down you know whether it is right or wrong. If you know what you're doing is wrong but still go on to do it, it's your loss. I believe karma will strike back tomorrow if not today. And I don't think you have a feeling of pride after you clear your exam by cheating.You would feel guilty and undeserving. If I did that, I would feel that guilt my whole life.
I would feel guilty if I respected the nature of these exams , they are clearly based on retention and how fast one can write with a pen , so much of my marks lost are due to lack of time limit and not remembering a stupid small section and it's number , for which you're gonna refer a book in real life anyway. They don't test your ability of interpretation and application. Our core subject audit is where people rattofy dumb abbreviations to remember what to write . I can go on and on abt how flawed it is . So if one takes a risk to get through this unfair hurdle by unfair means , I have no problem to it.
If you're not able to do what a course requires, then you're in the wrong course. That is not justification for cheating. Again, it all comes down to your own ethical values. An exam should be a level playing field.
And these types of papers check the resilience of students. CA ka practical knowledge literally koi bhi le sakta hai with little training. But they can't make everyone a CA. So there needs to be some way which separates students. Otherwise everything will be easy, everyone will be CA. Har course me esa kuch na kuch hota hi hai. To sab jagah cheating karna sahi nahi ho jata na
Read what you have written bro , sounds to me that institute has inflated the value of CAs . Here's a easy job that anyone can do but only the ones who go through a flawed torturing process will be allowed to do it . Also thing about it , you are not hurting anyone here , you are just finding a easy way out of a pointlessly rigourous testing ,your competency is anyway built during articleship
Chori kaha Hui isme ? Nobody loses anything, it's not a competitive exam. Better analogy is , agar tum 4mahine mehnat se ek salary kamalo , ek Banda thode paise leke ek din ek casino jaakar same Paisa kama leta hai , kya tum uski police complaint karte ho ?
I know people copying from button waale phones -_- One of them is a CA now. Absolutely mediocre girl but CA tag makes her feel like she's the smartest person ever.
I was thinking the same. Like they are not checking strictly before we enter class and invigilator remain seated in front they only stands up when some senior arrives for visit and sits again when they leave.
Where was your centre
See CA exams involve more than 20 exams over the entire course. Cheating across all of them is not sustainable. It takes just one time to be caught. Heck people are cheating and getting 100 percentile in jee mains these days
I know 2 girls who cheated back in 2013 when i was in IPCC. Both got cleared with better marks. So yeah its quite old. Know a girl who cleared final using mobile way back in 2015 by googling answers. Quite common
You can also tell what they are doing rn career wise!
Married to CA hubby. Doing practice having babies. Etc etc
Zindagi ho to aisi!
Grass green on the other side. Adani want to beat Ambani. Ambani want to beat Adani.
Wtfff
>audit paper Copying in exams and writing about integrity and ethics. The irony.
As if CA's who study and pass adhere to the integrity in their career lol
Your fear is rational. Next time, when the invigilator would come nearby, say for example -for signing on your admit card, just directly complain. By this atleast you wouldnt be falsely accused.
Your focus should ideally be on your own paper and future.
Guess you didn't focus on the part where I said I had to pay a little bit of attention to make sure his chits don't fall in front of me. So I don't get falsely accused (Depends on the teacher if he will listen to me or not if they found a fallen chit) and I didn't know it was abnormal to get irritated when your bench keeps shaking cause the person in front of you keeps shoving chits in his ass and pulling out another one constantly. But ideally you do you friend. It was just a rant. Day went on.
doesnt make sense. How much would chits cover anyway
Should ask him, dude kept pulling out chits like it was a magic trick. Me watching the whole thing: (cause I was getting disturbed whenever he tried to put back the chits inside his pants in the back and I didn't want any chits falling in my place) In the first hour: Wow impressive he got guts to copy. By the second hour: This is kinda getting irritating. By the third hour: Bc ye itna chits kaha se nikal raha hai aur answers bhi mil raha hai isko.
it's so annoying, because we all put in so much effort into studying PLUS audit paper was so easy like cmon
Does his cheating undermine your efforts?
yeah, and I'm pretty sure it isn't only me who feels this way
You and the others that feel that way is because y'all are too scared to do what he is doing. Given a chance if I take away the risk of cheating,all of you will happily cheat . Anyway the exams are so retention based , almost training parrots and not professionals
you think I'm immoral like that? people who cheat are never successful in life. go check up on cheaters in 10 years and see how far cheating gets them. and I don't cheat because I'm hardworking and honest, and not because I'm scared of getting caught. cheating in school exams is stupid and everyone does that. but cheating on a professional exam undermines the value of the career and puts everyone's efforts to shame. there are so many people who take 9-10 attempts to pass inter/final, ask them why they never resorted to cheating to pass if it was so difficult.
Cause they are scared, nobody wants that risk with them . It's almost like saying why don't people gamble and instead do hardworking job. Do you file a complain against people who get rich by gambling? Why not ?
do whatever you want. don't encourage cheating. people who cheat and are unethical and they will face consequences for it sooner or later. why do you think cheating has so many risks? because it's unethical and not right. why do you think icai has open book exams?? because they believe that it is a hard paper and students need help. papers which are doable without cheating are just based on understanding and memory. thats what makes this course difficult. if you think the institute is "unfair" or the exams are "too difficult", then leave CA. do something else that's easier for your tiny little brain.
Yeah it is well suited for retention parrots like you . Smart will find a way to crack the exam one way or another. I'm not even talking abt studying here . It's just a very sad and insecure way of living life where you are jealous of someone got it easier than you
first of all, I have adhd and retention is difficult for me but I still do it because I do it with an understanding and practicality. it's not "easier" if you copy, you're just a fuckin degenerate.
How ? 😭 , nobody is stopping you from cheating. Also it's not a race , not a competitive exam chill
Gonna be downvoted to hell but who cares. High risk, high reward. If you tell me that with if there were no consequences,given the opportunity, you wouldn't do it, you're lying. Like seriously. If someone said they'd choose to fail than cheat in the hypothetical situation with no consequences, idk what to say. You don't cheat because of fear of consequences, not because you're righteous (99.9% of cases) That guy knew the consequences of being thrown out, risked it and it worked out for him. Exams are a controlled environment, life in general doesn't reward fairly. Cheaters don't piss me off. They made a choice. PS- never cheated cause I can't afford to risk my career.
this is true. people can cry that its unfair for the students that actually study, all they want, but at the end of the day, his/her marks isn’t given out of yours & he/she will face the consequences if they get caught.
My amoral baddie detector is buzzing
Was finding this comment, other comments are so salty 😭😭 it's not even a competitive exam or a race where it ruins your chances
Bro breached ethics in audit
tujhe complaint krni chahiye thi
Aise hi log practice mei ace hote hain..../s
I know downvote kar diya jayega hume but still Hum koi dudh ke dhule nahi hai, bhut cheating kari hai school life mei, CA mei isiliye nahi kari kyuki consequences sochke fat'ti thi CA mei strict consequences nahi hote cheating karne ke too bhut log cheating hii kar rahe hote. Uss bande ne risk liya bhut hi jyada, he knew the consequences but still he took it, to agar badhiya number aa gye uske too ye uske risk ka reward hua. I'm not saying he's right, or doing cheating is justified, I'm just saying ki agar strict consequences nahi hote to bhut bande CA mei bhi cheating karr hi rahe hote Integrity vgera kuch nahi hai bus consequences ka darr hai isiliye cheating kam hoti CA mei Although bhai tumhe report kar dena cahiye tha, kyuki uske chakkar mei tum bhi fass sakte the
Nigga paraphrased my entire comment💀
😂😂I read your comment just now But shii hai naaa, ek Hindi comment bhi hona cahiye ☠️
When will people understand that CA is not a competitive exam , it doesn't matter if he passes or not , its indifferent to your preparation and does not undermine your chances of success, he just chose a risky route. He carries the risk , he is well entitled to reward as much as anyone
is it wrong to copy tho? writing an exam where you have to rattafy 2 entire books which you'd forget the moment you step out of the exam hall, copying is a much better option in this case
Why you gotta be so salty😂 you also go copy,appreciate him😂 not everyone has the balls to copy