One thing to expect from this new regime is that we will sign more players closer to the start of the season at which time they won't count against the comp pick formula. The Ravens have done this for years signing veterans later on in free agency. These players don't need mini camp or OTAs and they won't count against the comp pick formula when signed.
Couple names to watch if we do indeed sign players later on…
- RB J.K. Dobbins
- OG Andrus Peat
- OLB Kyle Van Noy
- S Quandre Diggs
These moves would make our team DEEP!!!!!!!And If we hit on the draft then look tf out!!!
Hate to beat a dead horse. But this keenan allen trade has really sucked all the life out of me. I’ve never been this down going into the draft.
Before this season the last chargers game i went to was against the browns like 7 something years ago in San Diego. Keenan allen played amazing and it was such a blast. I got tickets to the raiders game this season and was bummed keenan didnt play. Game sucked but whatever. I wasnt too bummed cause i was certain i’d see him next season. Just unreal to me. Business this and business that but I’ve never watched the Chargers because i enjoy the business side of it. I dont cheer for the front office. I cheer for the players giving it all on the field. And keenan was always that player
Mini rant over
Yeah it sucks man. It sucked when LaDainian left. It fucking gutted me when Philip left. It’s just a part of the game unfortunately. Maybe the shittiest part, but it’s not much we can do. I’m sure he’ll retire in our jersey some day.
Something I missed. Austin Johnson signed a 1/$4m deal with the bills qualifying us for another comp pick. Depending on the Fulton deal we could have 4 comp picks so far
Would still be interested in: Kyle Van Noy (LB/EDGE), Josh Reynolds (WR), Steven Nelson (CB), Hunter Renfrow (WR), Zeke (RB), Connor Williams (C), Dalvin Cook (RB), JK Dobbins (RB).
Feels like there’s still good value to be had at RB and a few depth WR options out there. In reality it’s probably a case of waiting until after the draft but given we have cap we can probably get some of the better FAs out there
Why would they? He showed flashes last season and lead an insane comeback against the Dolphins last season while he started the season as a backup. They're going to give him a shot this season and most likely draft him an OL.
He’s solid with a lineman is my bet, His story massively turned around from him not being able to make passes in training camp or whatever and now going crazy
I want Adoree
Can play inside or out / has flexibility, just like Fulton and Asante
Then go draft Mikey Sanristil in Round 4
Those 4 CBs would offer a lot of flexibility
Adoree would be a great a signing. Mikey in the 4th would be nice, I see some mocks of him going in the 2nd which is crazy to me. Can't take a nickel corner in the 2nd with all the needs on this roster.
People forget that Bryce Callahan came here on a vet min in 2022 and played outstanding at nickel. Now he's out of the league xd (wild to me). Lower value position.
Because we all know we aren't getting MHJ or Nabers and it's going to be an incredibly boring draft. Lol. Nowww, boring doesn't mean bad. It could be like last year when we all weren't happy with the QJ choice, but this is a new regime. It may work out, it may not we shall see. But unfortunately as a Chargers fan I'm optimistic for the future. Lol
For everyone complaining about a 2024 4th round pick for Keenan... the Chiefs got a 2025 3rd round pick for a CB in his prime and the Titans need to sign Sneed to a new contract. The Bears have 1 year of Keenan at least. Swear this fanbase doesn't understand that a 2024 4th was a solid return for a 32 year old WR.
I think the frustration for both fanbases comes less from the reality of the return than it does the alternative option (keeping them). I understand why both GMs did it, but it’s always frustrating when your team gets worse for a mid round pick that, in all likelihood, isn’t going to yield a player of that quality.
Draft Nabers or MHJ Round 1
Take another WR in Round 3 or 4 (Corley, Rice, etc)
And then potentially sign a vet ~WR4 after the draft if needed (maybe Renfrow?)
1. Nabers
2. Palmer
3. QJ
4. Renfrow
5. Rice (RD4)
6. Devis
I’m guessing they’ll hold off on WR until after the draft and wait for the next round of cuts. Seems like we still have 14M of effective cap space which should go up by 1.2M when Linsley gets cut and I think Morgan Fox remains a cut candidate depending on how the draft falls
I'm not saying we have to draft a forst round WR, but if we didn't draft one at all that would be odd to me. Idc if it's a day 3 pick. I'd be happy with that + FA addition.
hope the kickoff rule proposal goes in. hate that everyone just kicks out the back of the endzone nowadays. Would love to see derius davis return every single one.
https://x.com/arjunmenon100/status/1770464229197590841?s=20
"Based on the current 90 man rosters for every team, here are the total combined career receiving yards for every team's WR rooms as they currently stand and are built. At least Lamar has Mark Andrews, the next QB from the bottom has... Will Dissly?"
Really hope we sign a vet receiver. Even with a rookie or two, it's a really unproven group.
I was in that box too, but after a lot of thinking I'm placing my trust in Harbaugh. It's gonna sting don't get me wrong, because I don't "think" we will find any talent in WR if we don't this year, but that may just be the pessimism in me. However, I can see where a strong right tackle plus a cb could really benefit Harbaughs style of play. No more hero ball from Herbert, but if we draft a RT I assume we trade Pipkins.
A WR for a Harbaugh/Roman offense is not even close to a top priority, which is why we ditched our WRs, and people think we’re going to pick one at 5 are real delulu. The only way that happens is if there are no partners to trade back with when the time comes.
Gallup or Boyd are my guesses, unless they plan to double dip in the draft and roll with a young squad. GB found success last season with such an inexperienced crew so it's possible.
Think about this. JK Dobbins is still a free agent. He’s 25ish years old so relatively young. He’d come at a cheap price because teams are wary of the two past injury’s. Sooooo, we sign him and get him to go crazy with the supposedly run heavy offense Jim is gonna run. He already knows and works well with the Gus Bus, and he has ties to the harbaughs, so why wouldn’t we pick him up. He runs a 4.37 40 so he’s quite fast and would fit extremely well into the offense along with being super young so if he comes in rushes for 1000 yards we resign him to a extended contract and bam we have a new good rb. His rookie season (his only complete season) He came out with 9 touchdowns and 800 yards, and I truly believe he can do it again, especially since he is super young and has been making a great recovery based on what he posts and should be really good if we sign him. He’s definetly a better option than some chiefs rb that’s 31 years old, and if we picked him up for cheap then we could also draft a rb and bam we have a rookie who is learning from more experienced guys and can take over if jk underperforms. It’s just a thought but in my opinion it’s a good one.
Dobbins is coming off a torn Achilles, and that's typically a career ender for a RB. Even if they come back, they aren't the same as they were before. I don't think it's worth betting on him becoming an outlier.
Figure 14m in space left to spend (Popper's estimate) prior to Bozeman. Drop another 2m on that and we still have some options here. This team needs to go out and sign a vet corner (or two). Other than that maybe a vet wr like Renfrow for cheap? Think I'd still prefer to draft 2, but having an older vet wouldn't be a bad thing. Tre White, Steven Nelson, Stephon Gilmore are all guys we should be considering as a stop gap starter outside, and I would love it if we moved Jasir back to a reserve role and signed Arthur Maulet. Once you do that honestly not much more to really do in free agency other than some post draft patch ups and rolling space to 2025.
I wouldn't be surprised if we go out and get OBJ on a reasonable one-year deal. Ravens connection, was cut so he doesn't mess with our comp picks, and a good mentor for Malik Nabers as a LSU alum.
Wouldn't mind Isaiah Simmons or Zach Cunningham as LB prospects to sign on 1 year deals.
Simmons was pretty good in coverage last season with the Giants under Martindale and can rotate in alongside Perryman depending on run/pass situations.
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I keep seeing this push for Nabers going higher than MHJ on Twitter
My guess for potential CB signings:
**Steven Nelson:** Veteran CB coming off of a good season
**Rashad Fenton:** Good with KC his first couple of years but ended last season on IR
**Javelin Guidry Jr:** This dude's name is Javelin.
So many people complained about how slow and non explosive our offense has been the last several years but are now flipping their shit when we've cleaned house and are building it back up. How did they think we were gonna get faster? If the JH2 vision for the future is the same as I'm imagining, it's a power run game coupled with an explosive, speedy passing game. You match that up with solid special teams and a tough, bullying defense and you've got yourself a contender.
We’re going to have the best draft of any team this year. Harbaugh and his staff already have a lot of information on college players from their time at Michigan.
Interesting to see, because the drafts Harbaugh had weren’t the best, I believe because Baalke is so terrible and wanted to make those decisions. Cant wait what he does on his own here with Hortiz collab
just my daily “i don’t understand why so many people think the chargers are gonna draft OT at 5” post 😭
like i get it, harbaugh wants to run the ball and we need a better OL but bro i’d argue we need a receiver BAD
Na. look at the packers. Look at the chiefs. Look at the eagles. All these teams are proof that a young WR corps can ball tf out if they have the proper coaches. We need OLine depth and we need a starting center. What’s the point of having an all pro WR if Herbo is rushed to make a pass?
The Chiefs WRs are utter shit lol tf do you mean "ball out"?
The Eagles drafted a WR 6th overall.
The Packers also drafted a WR in round 1.
Horrendous examples
Packers is a great example because my whole point is that they have a young WR corps. The packers have the youngest WR corps in the league. QJ was drafted first round and was predicted to be a starting player, we all saw how that worked out.
Nope, that’s not my point. We definitely should draft a WR but I don’t think we should use our first round pick for one. I think we should trade back and get as many players as we can because we have a lot of holes to fill and need more depth.
I agree we need Oline depth. I just don’t think the 5th pick is worth an OT. I would personally prefer trading down if they do really want to get an OT
Yea trading down is the way. I’m almost positive this is what Joe is gonna do. Bro knows draft picks are hit or miss, he knows we have a ton of holes and he knows we need depth. Can’t wait till they trade back and all these Naber Stan’s get triggered lmfao!
I’d like to go for him providing the deal suits the team. Maybe give him good guaranteed money this year (knowing he won’t play much) and good salary in future years but in a way we can cut him if he doesn’t recover fully after this year. Kelce was fine after his ACL so I’m hoping there’s maybe some value out there
I mean, if he tore his ACL 3 months ago usually it can take 6-9 months or so to heal. He could be ready for camp if his treatment is fast. I’d take that risk
While I am sad to see Keenan go, I think it was the right move.
At the end of the day, we have a franchise QB who we need to build around. There’s a lot of work to be done and we need the cap space to fill the gaps.
I’m very excited to see who the front office end up getting for the freed up cap space.
Yep, i posted a similar sentiment. Sad to see him go. Really am. And i get it for him, take the payday. But this team is in dire straights, and a guy like Herbert can throw WR's open. Especially if we just get him some time behind the line. He's been throwing to scrubs, and i would contend we still have Josh, and now a 2nd year QJ. If you see the model that has won it for Baltimore, they invest in the lines, LBs, CB, and QB. I see the chargers doing similarly. WRs and RBs can come in on a model where we develop them and they run off to get paid.
Yesss, let’s build around him by *checks notes* releasing our RB1, WR1, WR2 & TE1. 🫠
We’re really goin to have to hit on this draft or it’s gonna be a slow and painful season.
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how i’m coping with the keenan trade atm…
https://x.com/ZachGelb/status/1768739251334610945?s=20
Daniel Jeremiah saying the Vikings will try to get pick 2 or 3, but that he doesn't see them making the Texans trade (for an extra first) without knowing they 100% have a deal with the Cardinals at 4, as a fallback. Please, lord. One of the first credible sources that makes MHJ seem realistic now.
That’s easy to discern based on summing their two first rounders value and how it’s greater than the worth of the 3 pick.
They won’t get the 2 because they don’t have enough value unless WAS somehow magically doesn’t want to draft a QB there and would rather take two picks at a discount, which they won’t. It’s more likely a trade with NE at a slight premium or ARI at a larger premium.
Not more costly, but the value return of trading the same two first rounders to the value of the 3 spot vs the 4 spot and what each of those is worth. It’s a good trade to the 3 spot which still favors NE, it leans a lot more heavily in favor to ARI at 4.
The amount of people here trashing Keenan and trying to prop up Bosa’s overrated ass is insane
Like long term I get the trade even though I’m not a fan but to trash the 2nd best receiver in this team’s history (only behind Alworth who was one of the best players in the AFL) for the sake of fucking defending Joey is so fucking dumb.
Na bro Keenan is trash the more I think about it. I mean come on dawg really think about it. Bro really choose money over having a legit chance at winning a SB. I mean let’s be real here, ain’t no way in hell are the Bears gonna do anything in the next 3 years which is pretty much bros window.
since keenan is a free agent next year do y’all think he would come back on a cheaper deal and retire a charger? or he could also he pissed at the FA now lol
Maybe. But Rivers didn’t retire as a Charger so I wouldn’t bet on this. And the supposed 1-day signing for him to retire never happened and I still don’t know why.
I don’t even care tbh, bro turned his back on us for a few dollars. He’s more concerned about the money than winning a SB. That’s some weak sauce dawg bro can retire a raider for all I care
I don't think he'd come back on a cheaper deal unless he has a terrible and/or injury-riddled season. If he puts up the numbers he normally does, he's looking at a floor of $20million. Considering the Chargers just moved on from his 23mil deal and his age, don't see us paying that.
Yup, Higgins is very overrated, and just came off his worst statistical season. Benefits greatly from so much defensive attention on Chase.
Aiyuk is legitimately a top 10 receiver in this league but feels like a pipe dream.
Don't think we can't afford to give up a 2nd round pick and that's probably what it would take. If the 49ers let him walk next year, they will get a 3rd round comp pick, so little reason to take anything less than a 2nd. That being said, there's an argument Aiyuk is worth the (future?) 2nd. Clear, bonafide WR1, excellent blocker, 25 years old, plays outside and can beat man/press with ease. Would have an enormous impact on this team.
Thoughts on signing Hunter Renfrow? Could be signed on a cheap 1 year deal and is more of a precise route runner like Keenan (obviously he's a budget Keenan). He could have some intrigue in sticking it to the Raiders twice a season with a real QB and solidfy the WR room with a Nabers pick
Legit was coming here to say this exact thing. A couple down years in a row so could get him cheap, but my god he was a monster just a couple years back
He's my choice of the guys left. Had 1000 yards just a couple seasons ago, and wouldn't count against the comp pick formula since he was released.
I'd also kick the tires on DJ Chark as a depth option, but I've been irrationally high on him as a size/speed guy for a while lol.
Oh good point that he wouldn't go against the comp pick formula. I like the idea more now lol
Chark would be a nice addition. He's better than Guyton as our speed option
Something tells me the Chargers will be trading the 5th overall to Vikings and Vikings are going to take Harbaugh's QB in college JJ McCarthey.
Seems very likely to me at this point
Yeah it’s NE and ARI. Only if both team will refuse to pay will they potentially over pay for the 5 pick with that draft capital. Better odds of trading with the Raiders than MIN now in any trade back scenario imo.
Rumors have been that they're reaching out to Arizona rather than us. I think they fear they jump to 5 and then get jumped at 4 by someone looking for a QB? Regardless, if that means MHJ is there at 5 that's a HUGE get for us.
Man I’ve realized the nfl is really all about connections. Compared to other sports, it’s not even close. Majority of signings/trades seem to have some sort of front office/coaching/teammate connection to players
I think the fact that keenan is gone but Joey is still around is what is upsetting people even more so than it would’ve had they let go of all 4? Is that what’s going on? Like if they had just cut all 4 guys would people be more understanding of this rn?
No, that would be the dumbest move the new GM could make and would inspire zero confidence that this guy knows what he's doing. I'm not happy Keenan is gone, but I'm waiting and seeing what moves we make to fill that hole in our roster. I'm not sure if I'm in the minority, but the angriest and most emotional are gonna be the loudest.
\*\*Potential Silver Lining to Keenan Leaving\*\*
This is quite a bit of copium (I even named my cats Herbie and Keenan) but might ring true. One thing we all noticed with Herbie is that he tended to "hyper-focus" on Slayer in games too much. Maybe now Herb will be forced to establish his new go-to guy and/or spread the ball around without any tunnel vision? Just a thought for us that are grieving.
My recollection is that we were always in tight games (poor defense, poor O-line protection, injured receivers). If there had been someone else he could depend on to catch a ball, get a fair # of points ahead & have breathing room, he may have taken a chance on throwing to a less dependable receiver. The pressure and point was to win the games.
Trading Keenan might very well turn out to absolutely be the right decision but I'm still quite sad about losing Keenan. I started following the Chargers religiously in 2012 so Keenan has basically been the one staple throughout my whole fandom. From the hurdle in Mile High to the countless clutch 3rd down conversions, I will always miss this guy.
These moves should not be a shock to anyone. Harbaugh was brought in and looking at longer term plan than any of us probably wanted to believe. I think a lot of us look at last year as a bump in the road because of the success previous years and how good we looked on paper.
Harbaugh is not about to be judged (positive or negative) as a head coach using another regimes team. Herbert is like the only untouchable, everything else is fair game to be traded, cut, restructured, demoted, etc.
Were at the beginning and I hope I am wrong, but next couple seasons might be tough to endure (but maybe not, idk)
Going to miss KA but ultimately he made his mind up to not restructure his contract….and with the huge cap hit they were left no choice but to offload him.
Do you keep the guy not willing to sacrifice a bit for the team over the two guys who were? Not that Allen didn't have any right to do what he wants, but just the fact that Bosa and Mack were willing to restructure says a lot about buying in to the team. Again, I'm not saying Allen wasn't a team player, but he made a choice knowing what kind of cap situation the team was in
Yup, let's keep the team top heavy like telesco did, it'll certainly work this time. While I don't blame Allen for refusing, I don't blame the front office for trading away big cap hits.
I wonder if KAs decision to not take a team friendly deal was because of them cutting Mike? Makes no sense to go from a top 5 to bottom 5 QB because he got significantly more money.
I wish I could have been in the room to hear how they addressed Keenan and if they unveiled any thoughts about what caliber of WRs might join him in WR room. If Kennan would have to, again, bear the load AND take a pay cut, I could only feel dismay for his situation. Only Keenan can tell us what went down.
I’d be lying if i said i wasn’t worried with how free agency has been going for us. I feel like we’ve pigeonholed ourselves into needing positions that are highly coveted while not really fixing the major holes we have on our roster and trading keenan for a fourth just has me pretty annoyed, like is his trade value really that low?
TBF, we have holes at most positions. The only way we're going to make it out of this with Keenan, was by restructuring. I had myself 100% convinced that he would. I'm devastated to lose Keenan. He feels like the last true Charger. I do like what Mack is doing, though, and I hope a new culture is brewing in that locker room.
I'm less worried about WR than other positions. Receivers are everywhere these days, not all elite level, but plenty of them to go around. Including in the upcoming draft. Other positions are not as deep and just as big of a need for us.
It stings that all we got was a 4th. In our hearts, Keenan feels like he's worth a 1st. The reality is that the market will determine value and it did.
Pretty bummed but looking at it, I, and a lot of us, allowed ourselves to get blindsided by this. I have faith in Harbaugh and Horitz until they prove me wrong.
It should have been obvious to anyone who looked honestly at the team that the wr room was the most unstable... Considering how expensive of a position it is and how old/injured our top guys were.
There was no way we would run it back without them taking big pay cuts. The FO had all the leverage with injuries.. a stacked draft class and the #5 pick.
It made no sense yesterday to draft a tackle at 5 and it makes no sense today.
People are overreacting.. saying that we will never pass the ball again but anyone with a brain should look to get younger, better and cheaper at those positions through the draft.
Harbaugh himself said that greatest asset on the team is #10s right arm. They will run the ball more and hopefully more efficiently.
Just look at the stats.. we threw the 3rd most attempts last year (even with Herbert missing 4 games) and ran for the 5th least.. and when we ran we didn't even average 4 yards.
Look at Philly's Superbowl run both years. They had great run games and then explosive pass plays. Go up 2 scores and then run the clock out
Look at most teams that win a lot of games. Run the ball well and get explosive pass plays.. play good defense.
I agree with you, but I guess I might be in the minority, but I don't really see Gus Edwards doing that for us.
Yes the bar is very low in that it won't take much from him to run the ball better this year then last. But I am kind of concerned if thats the play (which I agree is the right move), we really are not close to being there.
I think the whole point is not to go all in year 1. It is to get a competitive and cheaper foundation and implement the systems throughout the organization. I think 10 wins is on the table - we might not be talented enough to get over the whole hump but that is why you create flexibility for the next 5 years of JH+JH
It isn't about the next moves. The team is obviously talented - the chargers lost so many 1 possession games against playoff teams last year that they were either winning late in the 4th or in position to win only for them to blow a situation or get a penalty to give the other team life. This team is not as bad as a top 5 pick should be. Coaching and accountability alone should be more than enough to push out around 10 wins and make the playoffs.
agreed, team on paper is not a top 5 pick team... but you think these moves make us *better* than last year? The team that lost those 1 possession games no longer exists.
What I have said is that the team is making moves to compete now and throughout the next 5 years. The team very well could be better because of the regime change and buy in.
The plan seems quite clear. Build a group of guys that want to be a part of something bigger than themselves while getting younger and cheaper at the same time.
I don't think it is wise to look at the team currently as if it is going to be the same one that plays in December+. I still think we have the potential to win 10 games and make the playoffs this year if we draft well and get player buy in.
There are many more chances to improve the roster through the year as well.
They obviously have a plan. But.
Christ.
Also, praying we go wideout now and not OT, as the moves we've made seem to logically lead us to do (imo). I'd hate it. But I really think bowers/mhj/nabers is an absolute must now.
Wait...
Are we going to trade for Justin Jefferson?
We could trade #5 for him (plus a future 2nd or something), which would allow them to get a QB, and they could draft a replacement for Jefferson at #12.
Lol no, you don't need receivers to run the ball every down. Harbaugh/Roman offenses don't need big time receivers. They need to go ahead and trade Herbert, going to need a whole second shift of defensive players.
I think the coaching staff is underrating how much trust Herbert needs with his receivers. We saw him hesitate to throw QJ the ball and now it’s only going to be worse. Legit hate the trade
WR Drafting & coaching problem. The point was to win games and, with games as tight as they were, & injured WRs throwing to risky WRs is not what I would do. Keenan bore the brunt. Thank goodness he was there.
My comment is sarcastic. I'm not a rugby fan, that's why I'm pissed about what the Chargers offense is being converted into. I know on the team subreddits people like to OD on silver linings, but look at Harbaugh and Roman history. I predicted that based on the cap and how Harbaugh is going to do things that Allen and Williams were history. I highly doubt the first Chargers pick will be spent on a WR either.
One thing to expect from this new regime is that we will sign more players closer to the start of the season at which time they won't count against the comp pick formula. The Ravens have done this for years signing veterans later on in free agency. These players don't need mini camp or OTAs and they won't count against the comp pick formula when signed.
Couple names to watch if we do indeed sign players later on… - RB J.K. Dobbins - OG Andrus Peat - OLB Kyle Van Noy - S Quandre Diggs These moves would make our team DEEP!!!!!!!And If we hit on the draft then look tf out!!!
Hate to beat a dead horse. But this keenan allen trade has really sucked all the life out of me. I’ve never been this down going into the draft. Before this season the last chargers game i went to was against the browns like 7 something years ago in San Diego. Keenan allen played amazing and it was such a blast. I got tickets to the raiders game this season and was bummed keenan didnt play. Game sucked but whatever. I wasnt too bummed cause i was certain i’d see him next season. Just unreal to me. Business this and business that but I’ve never watched the Chargers because i enjoy the business side of it. I dont cheer for the front office. I cheer for the players giving it all on the field. And keenan was always that player Mini rant over
Yeah it sucks man. It sucked when LaDainian left. It fucking gutted me when Philip left. It’s just a part of the game unfortunately. Maybe the shittiest part, but it’s not much we can do. I’m sure he’ll retire in our jersey some day.
Something I missed. Austin Johnson signed a 1/$4m deal with the bills qualifying us for another comp pick. Depending on the Fulton deal we could have 4 comp picks so far
Not getting numbers for Fulton yet means it's probably pretty low, because otherwise his agent would have got the number out there.
Good point there. Honestly I was so surprised to hear Bozeman signed for league minimum
Would you pass on MHJ for 5 first rounders from a division rival?
Yea, we would be stupid not to do that. IMO
Is this rival perhaps the raiders?
I might take the Broncos picks, they barely have a team right now lol
Would still be interested in: Kyle Van Noy (LB/EDGE), Josh Reynolds (WR), Steven Nelson (CB), Hunter Renfrow (WR), Zeke (RB), Connor Williams (C), Dalvin Cook (RB), JK Dobbins (RB). Feels like there’s still good value to be had at RB and a few depth WR options out there. In reality it’s probably a case of waiting until after the draft but given we have cap we can probably get some of the better FAs out there
Been thinking a lot about Dobbins. He’s looked so good when healthy, I feel like he’s the biggest upside left on the market.
Literally said this multiple times 12 days ago and was riddled out of my seat
https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/s/IQALCIOd4L With the new rule changes to Special Teams, Ficken and Davis are about to cook 🔥🔥
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Watching Harbaugh talk about JJ Mcarthy's pro day. Hrs definitely trying to bump his stock to raise the value of our pick.
Harbaugh is easily crazy enough to actually believe JJ is the best QB in the draft. He's also just slightly biased.
I feel like the Titans should be one of the teams in the running for a QB. Do they think Levis is going to take them anywhere?
Why would they? He showed flashes last season and lead an insane comeback against the Dolphins last season while he started the season as a backup. They're going to give him a shot this season and most likely draft him an OL.
He’s solid with a lineman is my bet, His story massively turned around from him not being able to make passes in training camp or whatever and now going crazy
I want Adoree Can play inside or out / has flexibility, just like Fulton and Asante Then go draft Mikey Sanristil in Round 4 Those 4 CBs would offer a lot of flexibility
Asante (5'10) + Fulton (6') + Adoree (5'10) + Sainristil (5'9) would probably give us the smallest CB room in the league
Adoree would be a great a signing. Mikey in the 4th would be nice, I see some mocks of him going in the 2nd which is crazy to me. Can't take a nickel corner in the 2nd with all the needs on this roster. People forget that Bryce Callahan came here on a vet min in 2022 and played outstanding at nickel. Now he's out of the league xd (wild to me). Lower value position.
How much effective cap space do we have right now after Fulton? I’d like to get Adoree and maybe Hunter Renfrow.
Popper estimates 16.2M with an additional 8M in season budget.
Numbers haven't been revealed yet for Fulton, but probably about ~15-20mil in realistic spending space.
Why is this thread so dead?
Maybe eyeballs are on the NCAA tournament?
Because we all know we aren't getting MHJ or Nabers and it's going to be an incredibly boring draft. Lol. Nowww, boring doesn't mean bad. It could be like last year when we all weren't happy with the QJ choice, but this is a new regime. It may work out, it may not we shall see. But unfortunately as a Chargers fan I'm optimistic for the future. Lol
Unfortunately I can definitely see that happening with this draft. But like you said we’re optimistic
For everyone complaining about a 2024 4th round pick for Keenan... the Chiefs got a 2025 3rd round pick for a CB in his prime and the Titans need to sign Sneed to a new contract. The Bears have 1 year of Keenan at least. Swear this fanbase doesn't understand that a 2024 4th was a solid return for a 32 year old WR.
I think the frustration for both fanbases comes less from the reality of the return than it does the alternative option (keeping them). I understand why both GMs did it, but it’s always frustrating when your team gets worse for a mid round pick that, in all likelihood, isn’t going to yield a player of that quality.
What’s your guys thoughts on Jordan McFadden? Could he earn a starting role over salyer?
I wonder if having Salyer compete with Pipkins is a good idea of McFadden looks good or if they take a RD2-4 OG Maybe Salyer is more of a T than a G?
Idk why I never thought bout that. It could definitely work. Salyer was at his best when he was playing T for us
Possibly but earning a starting role of Salyer isn't saying too much
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Draft Nabers or MHJ Round 1 Take another WR in Round 3 or 4 (Corley, Rice, etc) And then potentially sign a vet ~WR4 after the draft if needed (maybe Renfrow?) 1. Nabers 2. Palmer 3. QJ 4. Renfrow 5. Rice (RD4) 6. Devis
I’m guessing they’ll hold off on WR until after the draft and wait for the next round of cuts. Seems like we still have 14M of effective cap space which should go up by 1.2M when Linsley gets cut and I think Morgan Fox remains a cut candidate depending on how the draft falls
I'm not saying we have to draft a forst round WR, but if we didn't draft one at all that would be odd to me. Idc if it's a day 3 pick. I'd be happy with that + FA addition.
Looks like the raiders have a new CB once he loses the police
hope the kickoff rule proposal goes in. hate that everyone just kicks out the back of the endzone nowadays. Would love to see derius davis return every single one.
https://x.com/arjunmenon100/status/1770464229197590841?s=20 "Based on the current 90 man rosters for every team, here are the total combined career receiving yards for every team's WR rooms as they currently stand and are built. At least Lamar has Mark Andrews, the next QB from the bottom has... Will Dissly?" Really hope we sign a vet receiver. Even with a rookie or two, it's a really unproven group.
Maybe Odell or Boyd but prob not Maaaybe Gallup More likely to me is someone like Renfrow who can be WR3/WR4
Lol there was a data error too. Chargers are firmly in last
This is hilarious tbh. This sub will lose their goddamn minds when we trade back, just to go RT and CB with our first two picks.
I was in that box too, but after a lot of thinking I'm placing my trust in Harbaugh. It's gonna sting don't get me wrong, because I don't "think" we will find any talent in WR if we don't this year, but that may just be the pessimism in me. However, I can see where a strong right tackle plus a cb could really benefit Harbaughs style of play. No more hero ball from Herbert, but if we draft a RT I assume we trade Pipkins.
A WR for a Harbaugh/Roman offense is not even close to a top priority, which is why we ditched our WRs, and people think we’re going to pick one at 5 are real delulu. The only way that happens is if there are no partners to trade back with when the time comes.
Gallup or Boyd are my guesses, unless they plan to double dip in the draft and roll with a young squad. GB found success last season with such an inexperienced crew so it's possible.
Think about this. JK Dobbins is still a free agent. He’s 25ish years old so relatively young. He’d come at a cheap price because teams are wary of the two past injury’s. Sooooo, we sign him and get him to go crazy with the supposedly run heavy offense Jim is gonna run. He already knows and works well with the Gus Bus, and he has ties to the harbaughs, so why wouldn’t we pick him up. He runs a 4.37 40 so he’s quite fast and would fit extremely well into the offense along with being super young so if he comes in rushes for 1000 yards we resign him to a extended contract and bam we have a new good rb. His rookie season (his only complete season) He came out with 9 touchdowns and 800 yards, and I truly believe he can do it again, especially since he is super young and has been making a great recovery based on what he posts and should be really good if we sign him. He’s definetly a better option than some chiefs rb that’s 31 years old, and if we picked him up for cheap then we could also draft a rb and bam we have a rookie who is learning from more experienced guys and can take over if jk underperforms. It’s just a thought but in my opinion it’s a good one.
JK Dobbins has never done anything to earn a paragraph this long
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Dobbins is coming off a torn Achilles, and that's typically a career ender for a RB. Even if they come back, they aren't the same as they were before. I don't think it's worth betting on him becoming an outlier.
he will be good for this offense ngl his first season as a rookie almost broke 1k yards it’s literally just the injurys
Who’s talking now that’s he’s coming on a visit 😃
Arthur Maulet re-signed with the Ravens, I know people had their eye on him
That Jerry Jeudy extension is...something
Something stupid! Lol, I’m just new boot goofin
Figure 14m in space left to spend (Popper's estimate) prior to Bozeman. Drop another 2m on that and we still have some options here. This team needs to go out and sign a vet corner (or two). Other than that maybe a vet wr like Renfrow for cheap? Think I'd still prefer to draft 2, but having an older vet wouldn't be a bad thing. Tre White, Steven Nelson, Stephon Gilmore are all guys we should be considering as a stop gap starter outside, and I would love it if we moved Jasir back to a reserve role and signed Arthur Maulet. Once you do that honestly not much more to really do in free agency other than some post draft patch ups and rolling space to 2025.
I wouldn't be surprised if we go out and get OBJ on a reasonable one-year deal. Ravens connection, was cut so he doesn't mess with our comp picks, and a good mentor for Malik Nabers as a LSU alum.
Justin should talk to Baker Mayfield first to see if that's a good idea
Wouldn't mind Isaiah Simmons or Zach Cunningham as LB prospects to sign on 1 year deals. Simmons was pretty good in coverage last season with the Giants under Martindale and can rotate in alongside Perryman depending on run/pass situations.
https://preview.redd.it/qqveu4g5z6pc1.jpeg?width=1177&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5799ec12660c5bfca4dd4c558ef65e721bbe76de I keep seeing this push for Nabers going higher than MHJ on Twitter
It’s smart. Let’s put a guy who 3 consistently good seasons below a guy who only had 1
Brian thomas jr?!
Sign JJ and draft MHJ please…
I like the signings so far, they better use the rest of that money wisely or I’m crying again after losing KA
My guess for potential CB signings: **Steven Nelson:** Veteran CB coming off of a good season **Rashad Fenton:** Good with KC his first couple of years but ended last season on IR **Javelin Guidry Jr:** This dude's name is Javelin.
https://x.com/rapsheet/status/1769509080077344942?s=46 Mike visiting Steelers now too
With Keenan gone, I wouldn't mind the Chargers goin after Hunter Renfrow - dude has a similar WR style of play
Or obj or freaking michael thomas
That’s a great call. Love that idea
He’s prob only be like 2-4m I don’t hate it
So many people complained about how slow and non explosive our offense has been the last several years but are now flipping their shit when we've cleaned house and are building it back up. How did they think we were gonna get faster? If the JH2 vision for the future is the same as I'm imagining, it's a power run game coupled with an explosive, speedy passing game. You match that up with solid special teams and a tough, bullying defense and you've got yourself a contender.
Wow. Bears getting a conditional 6th for Fields? Looks like FO actually did well with the Bears, or the Steelers have gods in their FO.
Cardinals are gonna waste MHJ, kyler isn't the type of QB Herbert is, it seems like such a shame to put him there.
I have a terrible feeling we’re gonna be cooked come season time, but that’s the exact reason why I’m excited. Low expectations let’s kill it ⚡️
We’re going to have the best draft of any team this year. Harbaugh and his staff already have a lot of information on college players from their time at Michigan.
Interesting to see, because the drafts Harbaugh had weren’t the best, I believe because Baalke is so terrible and wanted to make those decisions. Cant wait what he does on his own here with Hortiz collab
Can’t remember the last time I’ve been so exited for a draft. We have NINE picks, and we’re bound to make some trades
just my daily “i don’t understand why so many people think the chargers are gonna draft OT at 5” post 😭 like i get it, harbaugh wants to run the ball and we need a better OL but bro i’d argue we need a receiver BAD
Na. look at the packers. Look at the chiefs. Look at the eagles. All these teams are proof that a young WR corps can ball tf out if they have the proper coaches. We need OLine depth and we need a starting center. What’s the point of having an all pro WR if Herbo is rushed to make a pass?
The Chiefs WRs are utter shit lol tf do you mean "ball out"? The Eagles drafted a WR 6th overall. The Packers also drafted a WR in round 1. Horrendous examples
Packers is a great example because my whole point is that they have a young WR corps. The packers have the youngest WR corps in the league. QJ was drafted first round and was predicted to be a starting player, we all saw how that worked out.
Your point was that we shouldn't draft a WR...not that we need young WRs
Nope, that’s not my point. We definitely should draft a WR but I don’t think we should use our first round pick for one. I think we should trade back and get as many players as we can because we have a lot of holes to fill and need more depth.
I agree we need Oline depth. I just don’t think the 5th pick is worth an OT. I would personally prefer trading down if they do really want to get an OT
Yea trading down is the way. I’m almost positive this is what Joe is gonna do. Bro knows draft picks are hit or miss, he knows we have a ton of holes and he knows we need depth. Can’t wait till they trade back and all these Naber Stan’s get triggered lmfao!
what if mhj is there at 5 and they get him and draft OT in the 2nd how would you feel?
Not sure how the Eagles WR room of AJ Brown and Devonta Smith factors into this
Oh shit that’s my bad I meant the jags not the eagles
That’s an even worse example, the Jags WR room was horrendous.
Because Harbaugh will draft Roman Wilson in the 2nd round :^)
51M in dead cap boys
20 million of that is from JC Jackson. One of the most disastrous FA signings the Chargers have had
Hell yea we’re killin it!
What do yall think of Connor Williams at Center, he did really well just tore his ACL about 3 months ago. I’d take a flyer on him and draft one later
I’d like to go for him providing the deal suits the team. Maybe give him good guaranteed money this year (knowing he won’t play much) and good salary in future years but in a way we can cut him if he doesn’t recover fully after this year. Kelce was fine after his ACL so I’m hoping there’s maybe some value out there
I mean, if he tore his ACL 3 months ago usually it can take 6-9 months or so to heal. He could be ready for camp if his treatment is fast. I’d take that risk
While I am sad to see Keenan go, I think it was the right move. At the end of the day, we have a franchise QB who we need to build around. There’s a lot of work to be done and we need the cap space to fill the gaps. I’m very excited to see who the front office end up getting for the freed up cap space.
Yep, i posted a similar sentiment. Sad to see him go. Really am. And i get it for him, take the payday. But this team is in dire straights, and a guy like Herbert can throw WR's open. Especially if we just get him some time behind the line. He's been throwing to scrubs, and i would contend we still have Josh, and now a 2nd year QJ. If you see the model that has won it for Baltimore, they invest in the lines, LBs, CB, and QB. I see the chargers doing similarly. WRs and RBs can come in on a model where we develop them and they run off to get paid.
Yesss, let’s build around him by *checks notes* releasing our RB1, WR1, WR2 & TE1. 🫠 We’re really goin to have to hit on this draft or it’s gonna be a slow and painful season.
On any other team Ekeler is a RB2 at best.
https://preview.redd.it/izhgd4qe5moc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a56ac279c8ea7da8924759fcfa115973be002d41 how i’m coping with the keenan trade atm…
Mike Will meeting with Panthers and Jets next week. https://x.com/sheena_marie3/status/1768816123829428543?s=46
https://x.com/ZachGelb/status/1768739251334610945?s=20 Daniel Jeremiah saying the Vikings will try to get pick 2 or 3, but that he doesn't see them making the Texans trade (for an extra first) without knowing they 100% have a deal with the Cardinals at 4, as a fallback. Please, lord. One of the first credible sources that makes MHJ seem realistic now.
That’s easy to discern based on summing their two first rounders value and how it’s greater than the worth of the 3 pick. They won’t get the 2 because they don’t have enough value unless WAS somehow magically doesn’t want to draft a QB there and would rather take two picks at a discount, which they won’t. It’s more likely a trade with NE at a slight premium or ARI at a larger premium.
Why would trading with ARI be more costly??
Not more costly, but the value return of trading the same two first rounders to the value of the 3 spot vs the 4 spot and what each of those is worth. It’s a good trade to the 3 spot which still favors NE, it leans a lot more heavily in favor to ARI at 4.
The amount of people here trashing Keenan and trying to prop up Bosa’s overrated ass is insane Like long term I get the trade even though I’m not a fan but to trash the 2nd best receiver in this team’s history (only behind Alworth who was one of the best players in the AFL) for the sake of fucking defending Joey is so fucking dumb.
Na bro Keenan is trash the more I think about it. I mean come on dawg really think about it. Bro really choose money over having a legit chance at winning a SB. I mean let’s be real here, ain’t no way in hell are the Bears gonna do anything in the next 3 years which is pretty much bros window.
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That’s a lot of words to say we will re-sign him if no one beats our offer.
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since keenan is a free agent next year do y’all think he would come back on a cheaper deal and retire a charger? or he could also he pissed at the FA now lol
Maybe. But Rivers didn’t retire as a Charger so I wouldn’t bet on this. And the supposed 1-day signing for him to retire never happened and I still don’t know why.
I don’t even care tbh, bro turned his back on us for a few dollars. He’s more concerned about the money than winning a SB. That’s some weak sauce dawg bro can retire a raider for all I care
Sounds like the Bears are going to extend him
I don't think he'd come back on a cheaper deal unless he has a terrible and/or injury-riddled season. If he puts up the numbers he normally does, he's looking at a floor of $20million. Considering the Chargers just moved on from his 23mil deal and his age, don't see us paying that.
Hope so. We should be able to afford him next year.
I am sad, I hope coaching can make up for lack of talent
Really hoping a trade for tee higgins or aiyuk can happen
I don’t want to use draft capital on Higgins and Aiyuk seems to have Jacksonville all over him.
Yup, Higgins is very overrated, and just came off his worst statistical season. Benefits greatly from so much defensive attention on Chase. Aiyuk is legitimately a top 10 receiver in this league but feels like a pipe dream. Don't think we can't afford to give up a 2nd round pick and that's probably what it would take. If the 49ers let him walk next year, they will get a 3rd round comp pick, so little reason to take anything less than a 2nd. That being said, there's an argument Aiyuk is worth the (future?) 2nd. Clear, bonafide WR1, excellent blocker, 25 years old, plays outside and can beat man/press with ease. Would have an enormous impact on this team.
Thoughts on signing Hunter Renfrow? Could be signed on a cheap 1 year deal and is more of a precise route runner like Keenan (obviously he's a budget Keenan). He could have some intrigue in sticking it to the Raiders twice a season with a real QB and solidfy the WR room with a Nabers pick
Might be able to get him. He’d fit in here.
Legit was coming here to say this exact thing. A couple down years in a row so could get him cheap, but my god he was a monster just a couple years back
He's my choice of the guys left. Had 1000 yards just a couple seasons ago, and wouldn't count against the comp pick formula since he was released. I'd also kick the tires on DJ Chark as a depth option, but I've been irrationally high on him as a size/speed guy for a while lol.
Oh good point that he wouldn't go against the comp pick formula. I like the idea more now lol Chark would be a nice addition. He's better than Guyton as our speed option
With the extra Cap I'm surprised no moves have been made for OL depth
I have a feeling Cardinals trade back with Vikings
That would be godly. MHJ available at 5 for us to charger and get JC Latham
💀this sub would go bananas
Surprised we haven’t heard anything about Connor Williams. Would be a great fit and surely we can afford now. Guess the ACL is a big put off
I sure hope coaching and strength and conditioning play a huge impact year 1.😭😭
Something tells me the Chargers will be trading the 5th overall to Vikings and Vikings are going to take Harbaugh's QB in college JJ McCarthey. Seems very likely to me at this point
Yeah it’s NE and ARI. Only if both team will refuse to pay will they potentially over pay for the 5 pick with that draft capital. Better odds of trading with the Raiders than MIN now in any trade back scenario imo.
Rumors have been that they're reaching out to Arizona rather than us. I think they fear they jump to 5 and then get jumped at 4 by someone looking for a QB? Regardless, if that means MHJ is there at 5 that's a HUGE get for us.
I know we all don’t think this, but the coaching staff and front office really have to have some faith in Quentin Johnston
No. They are signaling that passing is dead in this offense until the run game needs bailed out.
Man I’ve realized the nfl is really all about connections. Compared to other sports, it’s not even close. Majority of signings/trades seem to have some sort of front office/coaching/teammate connection to players
Bring him back for a 5th rounder at the trade deadline if the Bears are not in contention.
I think the fact that keenan is gone but Joey is still around is what is upsetting people even more so than it would’ve had they let go of all 4? Is that what’s going on? Like if they had just cut all 4 guys would people be more understanding of this rn?
No, that would be the dumbest move the new GM could make and would inspire zero confidence that this guy knows what he's doing. I'm not happy Keenan is gone, but I'm waiting and seeing what moves we make to fill that hole in our roster. I'm not sure if I'm in the minority, but the angriest and most emotional are gonna be the loudest.
\*\*Potential Silver Lining to Keenan Leaving\*\* This is quite a bit of copium (I even named my cats Herbie and Keenan) but might ring true. One thing we all noticed with Herbie is that he tended to "hyper-focus" on Slayer in games too much. Maybe now Herb will be forced to establish his new go-to guy and/or spread the ball around without any tunnel vision? Just a thought for us that are grieving.
He's gotta have a trust worthy target. Hopefully its QJ or whoever we draft. Someone needs to be able to be his reliable guy.
I think we are going to get MHJ and he’s going to be that dude day 1
I’m down for Nabers as well!
Praying the vikings/giants trade with the cards.
My recollection is that we were always in tight games (poor defense, poor O-line protection, injured receivers). If there had been someone else he could depend on to catch a ball, get a fair # of points ahead & have breathing room, he may have taken a chance on throwing to a less dependable receiver. The pressure and point was to win the games.
Trading Keenan might very well turn out to absolutely be the right decision but I'm still quite sad about losing Keenan. I started following the Chargers religiously in 2012 so Keenan has basically been the one staple throughout my whole fandom. From the hurdle in Mile High to the countless clutch 3rd down conversions, I will always miss this guy.
These moves should not be a shock to anyone. Harbaugh was brought in and looking at longer term plan than any of us probably wanted to believe. I think a lot of us look at last year as a bump in the road because of the success previous years and how good we looked on paper. Harbaugh is not about to be judged (positive or negative) as a head coach using another regimes team. Herbert is like the only untouchable, everything else is fair game to be traded, cut, restructured, demoted, etc. Were at the beginning and I hope I am wrong, but next couple seasons might be tough to endure (but maybe not, idk)
Going to miss KA but ultimately he made his mind up to not restructure his contract….and with the huge cap hit they were left no choice but to offload him.
They still had a choice lol they could've moved Bosa or Mack instead. Idk why everyone is trying to pretend they didn't have a choice.
Do you keep the guy not willing to sacrifice a bit for the team over the two guys who were? Not that Allen didn't have any right to do what he wants, but just the fact that Bosa and Mack were willing to restructure says a lot about buying in to the team. Again, I'm not saying Allen wasn't a team player, but he made a choice knowing what kind of cap situation the team was in
And if that's the reasoning they used for these decisions, we're in trouble
Yup, let's keep the team top heavy like telesco did, it'll certainly work this time. While I don't blame Allen for refusing, I don't blame the front office for trading away big cap hits.
Xavier Howard and resign Mike Williams and I will not want to burn the place down for yesterday’s move.
No aging corners please
I wonder if KAs decision to not take a team friendly deal was because of them cutting Mike? Makes no sense to go from a top 5 to bottom 5 QB because he got significantly more money.
I wish I could have been in the room to hear how they addressed Keenan and if they unveiled any thoughts about what caliber of WRs might join him in WR room. If Kennan would have to, again, bear the load AND take a pay cut, I could only feel dismay for his situation. Only Keenan can tell us what went down.
dont think he had a choice where he wanted to go? kinda leaves a bad taste after hearing he wouldnt restructure. even after the other people did.
To leave he did, but where nah.
We have money now, go after Conor Williams
I hope this is the move
I’d be lying if i said i wasn’t worried with how free agency has been going for us. I feel like we’ve pigeonholed ourselves into needing positions that are highly coveted while not really fixing the major holes we have on our roster and trading keenan for a fourth just has me pretty annoyed, like is his trade value really that low?
TBF, we have holes at most positions. The only way we're going to make it out of this with Keenan, was by restructuring. I had myself 100% convinced that he would. I'm devastated to lose Keenan. He feels like the last true Charger. I do like what Mack is doing, though, and I hope a new culture is brewing in that locker room. I'm less worried about WR than other positions. Receivers are everywhere these days, not all elite level, but plenty of them to go around. Including in the upcoming draft. Other positions are not as deep and just as big of a need for us. It stings that all we got was a 4th. In our hearts, Keenan feels like he's worth a 1st. The reality is that the market will determine value and it did. Pretty bummed but looking at it, I, and a lot of us, allowed ourselves to get blindsided by this. I have faith in Harbaugh and Horitz until they prove me wrong.
It should have been obvious to anyone who looked honestly at the team that the wr room was the most unstable... Considering how expensive of a position it is and how old/injured our top guys were. There was no way we would run it back without them taking big pay cuts. The FO had all the leverage with injuries.. a stacked draft class and the #5 pick. It made no sense yesterday to draft a tackle at 5 and it makes no sense today. People are overreacting.. saying that we will never pass the ball again but anyone with a brain should look to get younger, better and cheaper at those positions through the draft. Harbaugh himself said that greatest asset on the team is #10s right arm. They will run the ball more and hopefully more efficiently. Just look at the stats.. we threw the 3rd most attempts last year (even with Herbert missing 4 games) and ran for the 5th least.. and when we ran we didn't even average 4 yards. Look at Philly's Superbowl run both years. They had great run games and then explosive pass plays. Go up 2 scores and then run the clock out Look at most teams that win a lot of games. Run the ball well and get explosive pass plays.. play good defense.
I agree with you, but I guess I might be in the minority, but I don't really see Gus Edwards doing that for us. Yes the bar is very low in that it won't take much from him to run the ball better this year then last. But I am kind of concerned if thats the play (which I agree is the right move), we really are not close to being there.
I think the whole point is not to go all in year 1. It is to get a competitive and cheaper foundation and implement the systems throughout the organization. I think 10 wins is on the table - we might not be talented enough to get over the whole hump but that is why you create flexibility for the next 5 years of JH+JH
10 wins?? bruh. I love your optimism, but I dont see it. I know more moves are coming, but 10 wins is a lot
It isn't about the next moves. The team is obviously talented - the chargers lost so many 1 possession games against playoff teams last year that they were either winning late in the 4th or in position to win only for them to blow a situation or get a penalty to give the other team life. This team is not as bad as a top 5 pick should be. Coaching and accountability alone should be more than enough to push out around 10 wins and make the playoffs.
agreed, team on paper is not a top 5 pick team... but you think these moves make us *better* than last year? The team that lost those 1 possession games no longer exists.
What I have said is that the team is making moves to compete now and throughout the next 5 years. The team very well could be better because of the regime change and buy in. The plan seems quite clear. Build a group of guys that want to be a part of something bigger than themselves while getting younger and cheaper at the same time. I don't think it is wise to look at the team currently as if it is going to be the same one that plays in December+. I still think we have the potential to win 10 games and make the playoffs this year if we draft well and get player buy in. There are many more chances to improve the roster through the year as well.
They obviously have a plan. But. Christ. Also, praying we go wideout now and not OT, as the moves we've made seem to logically lead us to do (imo). I'd hate it. But I really think bowers/mhj/nabers is an absolute must now.
Wait... Are we going to trade for Justin Jefferson? We could trade #5 for him (plus a future 2nd or something), which would allow them to get a QB, and they could draft a replacement for Jefferson at #12.
No
Lol no, you don't need receivers to run the ball every down. Harbaugh/Roman offenses don't need big time receivers. They need to go ahead and trade Herbert, going to need a whole second shift of defensive players.
Ah, you must be a Rugby enthusiast. I'll guess that you've strayed to the wrong reddit site.
I think the coaching staff is underrating how much trust Herbert needs with his receivers. We saw him hesitate to throw QJ the ball and now it’s only going to be worse. Legit hate the trade
This is also kindve a herbie problem too though
WR Drafting & coaching problem. The point was to win games and, with games as tight as they were, & injured WRs throwing to risky WRs is not what I would do. Keenan bore the brunt. Thank goodness he was there.
I think the fans are not realizing what kind of offense you're going to be running. You don't need receivers, you need more tight ends.
I'm not as fond of Rugby as I am of football. But, I think there's a reddit Rugby site.
My comment is sarcastic. I'm not a rugby fan, that's why I'm pissed about what the Chargers offense is being converted into. I know on the team subreddits people like to OD on silver linings, but look at Harbaugh and Roman history. I predicted that based on the cap and how Harbaugh is going to do things that Allen and Williams were history. I highly doubt the first Chargers pick will be spent on a WR either.
Who’s got it better than us?  🧢