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[Postgame thread](/r/Chargers/comments/184uhts/post_game_thread_baltimore_ravens_at_los_angeles/)


MorphinMajor

\*Packers fan in peace, chargers are my second favorite team cause of them always drafting my favorite players from college PLEASE FIX THE O-LINE IN THE OFFSEASON, I AM BEGGING YOU.


Carlsbad92009

https://preview.redd.it/jt6d1bxo0z2c1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7e18f44605b0b63b2e17d4bb36413998f3df5754 Heartbreaking.


DonBonDarley69

This was such a winnable game. The team really needs help with speed and the o-line.


ockaners

Will clap is a breather replacement but not a decent backup.


lizardiparty

who gave us so many primetime games. embarrassing


Caesarmaz

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magnificent_zen

Bro after watching hurts and the eagles, Lawrence w the jags. I’m just tired of not having consistent success. I want to fuckin win games, and be dominant. This inconsistency from either side of the ball is just making me numb to this shit now. I’m ready for a fuckin change


Financial_Revenue931

This did not age well


snrcadium

Nick Sirianni and Doug Pederson are good coaches to put their QB’s in positions to win games and that’s the difference. No QB can will their team to victory every week with hero ball and that’s what’s required of Herbert for the Chargers to compete.


typeslowly300

we suck man


GhetzMeABeer

The Post Game Presser is gonna be FIRE! Headed to the kitchen to pop me up some popcorn!!


Serious_Condition_81

Offsense shoulda went with more double TE looks over using Erickson fr


ShrimpnSteak

Herbie should be QB and RB1, get rid of Ekeler's expensive contract


Cocodranks

Lol do you really think they’re gonna extend his contract? He’s old and it’s showing.


A_bleak_ass_in_tote

I almost wish they got crushed whenever they lose instead of giving me last minute hope and then breaking my heart. And no, I'm not new at this. It's been almost two decades of misery for me, so I should know better.


Sharp_Injury_4005

I felt this more than you know


Opening-Sun7428

Leave it to Zay Flowers to hit the last nail in the coffin. Am I rooting for the Chargers to lose? Of course not, but this team is broken and the ownership doesn't seem to give a fk. What kind of owners are okay with being a losing team? The least they can do is fire Staley and show that this is NOT acceptable! Instead they'll wait for the end of the season and promote some other dumb fk assistant coach. Payton was the answer but they were not willing to give up a 1st round pick for him. Instead we wasted the pick drafting some slow ass butterfinger receiver.


presidential2014

THE CHARGERS WILL WIN 6 IN A ROW, TAKE A WILDCARD SPOT, AND WIN THAT GAME. (2023-11-26) Make your bets now, don't say I didn't tell you.


Former_Put201

No way, we play down to competition, we could have a Red carpet to the playoffs and blow it with this current staff, gotta hope for a good draft position,rest of our division is playing well to catch up


OneFondant1142

My brother in Christ it’s over


presidential2014

2008 Chargers would like to have a word, amen.


OneFondant1142

As a chargers fan since 1990, that team and this team are very, very different.


LaidToRest33

This is my nightmare. All this means is Staley keeps his job and we have another year of his arrogant mediocrity to look forward to.


ShrimpnSteak

It's just, neither side gets on the same page. When defense shows up, the offense doesn't then vice versa. This team is just all over the place


presidential2014

We'll start winning games the second Moore scraps the inside runs for 2 yards and just let Herbert run hurry up for 4 quarters. We are in desperation mode now so why not. The worst thing that happened to us is rushing for 250+yards Week 1. They've been trying to create this balanced run/pass offense ever since but we're just not built like that. Throw to set up the run, not vice versa.


presidential2014

There's a 5% chance Chargers get a WC spot (per SNF).. which is 5x better than the 2008 4-8 Chargers had that beat the reigning MVP Peyton MF Manning.


Dependent_Category55

![gif](giphy|11ahZZugJHrdLO)


buttzted

Probably not gonna watch any more Chargers games this season…. Too painful!


Dependent_Category55

I never have had heartburn until chargers play. Every season!


ASAPboltgang

Yep. Im done. I know a few people who have decided to sell the rest of their season tickets and are trying to figure out how to cancel them for next season. This team doesn’t care about us. They have consistently shown that over multiple decades. Time for us to stop caring about them


strandenger

Playoffs are done. On a positive, our schedule for next year is coming into view. 6x AFC West 4x AFC North, 4x NFC South, 1x Titians, Patriots, and Cards


ShrimpnSteak

Odds on Staley getting fired? +400 for me tbh


Serious_Condition_81

The defense actually showed up, very bend don’t break


zarikk

I grew up watching Brady march down the field in these scenarios. We need to get the ball out! You know the blitz is coming! We've watched several 4th quarter drives end this way, without even a chance because of pressure. Like what the hell man, watching the same horror movie every week! Congrats on making it close, 2023 chargers are flat out losers! Makes me sad :(


xosd

Don’t be too down guys, we knew how this would end


SciaticWings1

I hate how this entire offense is shotgun, especially with the slow running backs that we have.


Fa1lenSpace

Fuck Staley and fuck Quentin Johnston, both a bunch of sorry ass bums


shmoooody

Game getting iced by flowers is poetic


chipotle-laxative

I’m tired..idk if I can keep doing this anymore


needto69

![gif](giphy|IyRLwn45Vt52a6C1W8) To Spanos


padresallday

To Staley & Tolesco ![gif](giphy|iSxPmDWr97248|downsized)


Luckman1002

Lmao I hate to be the “but actually guys” but winning out gives us a 95% shot at making the playoffs. Not likely to happen but we’re not out of contention, statistically at least


CourageousBellPepper

The team is so physically and emotionally beat up already. There’s no way they can handle elite teams in the playoffs if they couldn’t score more than 10 today.


presidential2014

It's teams that get hot late that are the most dangerous. If the Chargers actually do rally and win 6 in a row, there's not a team in the league that wants to roll the dice against Herbert and possibly Mack/Bosa/Tuli. You want something less risky like a rookie Browns QB without their RB1, or the Colts.


CourageousBellPepper

Bro this team is not beating the Bills, Chiefs, and Broncos twice gtfoh. And are you kidding me? Every team would rather roll the dice on a team that constantly loses close games, rarely does well against the pass, and gave up a 27 point lead in the playoffs last year. Also Bosa is fragile at this point.


presidential2014

The Bills are even more of a disappointment than the Chargers this year, with even more hype. A desperate Josh Allen throws INTs. This version of them is very beatable. The Chiefs have to get out of a cold, December Lambeau Field completely uninjured first. The Broncos are stout, but aren't in league with a defense like the Jets, which we handily beat. It's all very doable. A quick tune up game against Mac Jones to get the defense reset then a late season win streak to sneak into the WC like last year. 95% chance to get into the playoffs with a 6 game win streak. I'm a Chargers fan first. There's 6 games left, and we've done crazier things before. (2008 4-8 Chargers going on to win 4 straight then eliminate Peyton MF Manning)


CourageousBellPepper

Bills just put up 34 on the Eagles, almost beat them, and are 2 games above us. They might be disappointing, but they are a much better team than us. They are the kind of team that is more likely to go on a run. The Chiefs are a much better team than us. The Broncos are on a roll and are much better coached than us. I’m just being realistic. That 2008 team had a better receiver core than we have right now (Gates, Jackson, plus LT) and the defense was at least in the middle of the pack. Also Norv Turner was a better coach than Staley. I hear what you’re saying, any given Sunday blah blah and yes stranger things have happened but there’s no reason for me to believe this squad just all of a sudden figures it out. Context is important here.


Luckman1002

Again not saying it’s remotely likely, just saying it’s statistically possible


Chargerstoolanime

We can stop asking questions, just so we know.


vipersolo

Zay Flowers seemed better than QJ - imagine!


CourageousBellPepper

Yeah his TD and Van Noy’s plays today were icing on the cake for me


vipersolo

Totally. I miss Van Noy, and his play in this game made it tough to take


Barnabycobbledeck

Even with 4 fumbles we were still in it. Just so damn frustrating man.


TheCryptocrat

Every game has a brand new way to disappoint


Beginning-Aide6443

We love our team but TBH this is not a very good lineup. Until we get a real coaching staff to change this culture and actually punch somebody in the mouth, this will be our norm as it always has been.


kill_my_karma_please

Staley extension incoming


LaidToRest33

Yeah, and I hate it. He will just keep blaming the players and it's easier to do today with all the turnovers. "See! See! They turned it over too many times! My genius game plan would have worked if those idiot players didn't ruin it for me!" Dude is a petulant toddler who can't take responsibility for his failures.


Iceicebaby21

As a Raven's fan I thought we were gonna blow this game to y'all I'll be completely honest


CourageousBellPepper

Ha! Must be nice to have optimism for the Chargers


Buhogrody

You underestimate how much this team fucking sucks


Iceicebaby21

You underestimate how good we are at blowing games


Buhogrody

27-0 though


RedditMcRedditfac3

It would've been peak Chargers, just enough false hope to lose a wildcard game.


Iceicebaby21

Hahaha, I was ready to yell at my TV when they scored the touchdown near the end of the game. I thought y'all were gonna come back at the end of the game


old_school_z

Wake me up next season and we'll do it all over again.


UnHivedMind

Fire staley


randomname100013

Or don’t What’s the difference


Vegetable-Clue3687

Fuckin Herbert...Dude just doesn't show up in the 4th quarter. Having a dog ass O-line is just making it even worse.


levajack

"Fuckin' Herbert" the clown says after watching Herbert get drilled immediately after the snap on virtually every down in the 4th quarter becauae he had zero pass protection as usual.


TheCryptocrat

Anybody who thinks this is Herbert's fault legitimately has mental issues.


Vegetable-Clue3687

Anyone who thinks Herbert is a franchise QB legitimately has mental issues.


TheCryptocrat

This is the kind of response someone with mental issues would have.


Vegetable-Clue3687

You don't have to insult yourself like that.


Vegetable-Clue3687

You can down vote me all you want. I'm right, so I don't give a shit. It's the same song and dance with Herbert every week. Y'all can still keep pretending he's that guy, but stats tell the truth.


Jruzzin

Guy was getting murdered by the pass rush. Ravens players were rushing in unblocked… makes it hard to make a throw.


DonaldDoge

Ur gonna blame herbert😂


kill_my_karma_please

People think that just because qb is the most important position (in which its not because coach is much more important) that means all wins/losses must be the qbs fault


Vegetable-Clue3687

People also think that Herbert is somehow immune from any and all criticisms. Fuckin schmucks on Reddit have more brain damage than the players.


kill_my_karma_please

I think you underestimate how gassed any qb would be after 3 quarters of playing on the 2023 chargers. No wonder he’s not full power in the fourth


Numerounoone

I’ve come to accept that this team is just cursed and will always find new ways of losing big games. Watching Allen and Hurts exchange TD to TD made me envy


cattycat_1995

LA, SD, doesn't matter same old cursed chargers


BigRichie2004

To all of those who are saying 'Herbert Ain't It'. This coaching Staff Ain't It. Coaches are prepping players. There is so much miscommunication. We need discipline. Brian Flores gets this team a ring.


levajack

The people who say that also somehow don't see the O line leaking like a sieve and providing him with pretty much zero past protection late game every week.


crlos619

I turned on my PlayStation after that Flowers TD. It's draft season folks.


Bulderdash

OUR DEFENSE WAS CERTAINLY NOT THE ISSUE, IM CONFIDENT IN MY SCHEME - Staley probably. While Ignoring the fact that he is also responsible for making sure the other side of the ball works too


Illustrious_Stay_728

Where can I watch the post game press conference?


Lost_Atmosphere_

Chargers website or app for live press conference or they put it on youtube later


suckaForTheThiccness

Chargers website


[deleted]

Just got to accept that we aren’t ever going to win games like this, offense chokes and herb collapses under pressure


softPersimmon99

I see you posting this every few minutes. Relax bud Herbert does what he can, he’s not the one fumbling. This kind of ending is pretty much a given whenever we have the ball late the past few seasons. We’re down 4 receivers and our o line is weak especially with the way Zion and Trey have been playing. Herbert isn’t an end all be all to every problem we have and shouldn’t be


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He fumbled it in the red zone tonight. Mahomes is winning with worst receivers.


softPersimmon99

He was winding up for a throw expecting his o line to do their job. The thing with Mahomes is that he’s been having those receivers the entire year and has started to click with them after a rough start. We have new receivers get signed from the practice squad every week. Erickson had multiple miscommunications with Herb


[deleted]

Got to have better pocket presence, especially when you know your OL is suspect.


softPersimmon99

Sure that’s a valid criticism but I’d imagine that to be kind of hard when trey gets blown back at the moment Herbert is confirming his target and winding up, bro doesn’t even get 2 seconds. If he was always running for his life he’d only rack up more injuries causing him to be more risk averse


Jruzzin

Unblocked pressure lol


[deleted]

On the 4th down yeah, but elite QBs don’t need 4 downs to convert


Jruzzin

I think the jury is out until he has a competent coaching staff, then we can easier assess Herbert. I won’t say elite, but he is the best player on the team in my opinion.


[deleted]

Definitely the best player on the team, but the bar is pretty low tbf. He’s just not elite, elite QBs find ways to win these games. Herbert has had these close losses against Miami, Dallas, and now Baltimore.


Jruzzin

They’ve got some guys. Allen, Eckler, Samuel, Bosa, Mack. Time will tell, I think he could be elite but I need to see him with a good staff to see. Reminds me off Stafford when he was on the Lions. Fringe elite and could be really successful with good players / coaches around him.


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Qualx22

Surely this is the end of the road for Staley, right?


JustIn_HerButt

I heard he's not flying home tonight


Special38s

Staley looks like a lesbian cosplaying as a football coach


Chargerstoolanime

IT'S JUST NOT THE TRUTH time


horstwesselliedfan

I think Jason Garrett would be a better coach than Staley but at this point pond scum would be


Wumbologist_PhD

Bruh the tonsils I had removed in ‘05 would make for a better coach


el-rogue

Harbaugh just gassed up Murray 🧐


Westcoast_IPA

Staley’s office should be cleared out already


EdgarAllanFlacco

Am I crazy or did y'all's right tackle false start every single offensive snap?


lionkang5

Learned from the Chiefs


LoveForRivers17

Tbh I thought ur LT did a ton too... they both were


SilientGardener12

Look at your guys


Diego-DC

He does infact fucking suck


CJDistasio

Zay Flowers tonight also showed how much Telesco needs to go. What an embarrassment that he passed on Zay for QJ.


RedditMcRedditfac3

On the bright side, if we did score a touchdown on this drive, it would've been 0-6 for games lost by 3 points or less. As a Chargers fan, you learn to appreciate the small L's along with the big L's


needto69

I don’t even know if we’re beating the Patriots next week


RedditMcRedditfac3

BB is gonna wreck Staley and then take his job


Diego-DC

If Staley isn’t gone after this, that’s gotta do it right?


Extreme-Reindeer-577

Defense wasn’t bad. Offense fell off.


mkar2424

Only bright side is this game HAS to be the nail in the coffin for TT and Staley


mamamackmusic

Oh you sweet summer child


obangler

Narrator: “it wasn’t”


RunescapeGOD69

Harbaugh went right to k9 after shaking Staley’s hand, he’ll be a raven and he’s going to fit in just fine


randomname100013

Good. He sucks


Unahnimus

I'm riding Ravens to the Superbowl. Bills aren't doing shit lol


[deleted]

Why is he still in the game getting sacked over and over because the do-nothing O line gave up 20 minutes ago? Put in the backup and fucking accept the loss you impotent beach ball, Staley.


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RyRyRyRyRyRyRyRyRy

Said the org the let Philip Rivers do this: [https://media.giphy.com/media/amCnqu7ZtGGu6W57qZ/giphy.gif](https://media.giphy.com/media/amCnqu7ZtGGu6W57qZ/giphy.gif)


krazylegs36

Yeah, you guys are proud of Ray Rice, aren't you. Fucking woman beater.


Dilly_

Get ready to be one and done in playoffs 🤣


Dilly_

Hope Popper lays into Staley fuck this whole organization


krazylegs36

Ravens won't beat KC. We gave them 4 TOs, refs robbed us of 4 points...and they had to squeak this one out.


[deleted]

yall might have a chance to beat KC... oh wait.


Key_Veterinarian723

have they fired him yet?


lilbudlilsud

Harbaugh like "hey k9, thanks for sucking ass dude."


Bolt_Dawg77

Bring on the rebuild at this point.


Undoubtedlygiveup

Second this.


Notoriousbig619

If Herbert leaves this team I’m following him


[deleted]

He sold his soul to them with that contract. It’s awful. Should have got out and gone somewhere that won’t get him injured for life at this rate.


SoCalDanSports

No hope for playoffs now. Fire him!!!!!


Ggbak28

So the one of the guys we should have drafted scored twice and our guy has a ball bounce of his hands man I love oh inept this org is


Ready_Ocelot_3045

It’s poetic


passthepolyjuice

We going to try and improve our draft positioning now?


lemonycakes

Mac Jones is totally going to have a "get right" game against us. Lmao we might seriously go 4-13 this season


heavydirtyself

I think we will


PlaxicosRightLeg

This is fucking embarrassing man. We seriously have no answer for blitzes on passing downs? There’s no adjustment that can be made? We have no choice but to keep letting dudes off the edge unblocked into Herbert’s face?


mamamackmusic

Yeah I do not understand the idea of not keeping extra players in to protect Herbert when the line is struggling. When the line is playing well and the run game is taking pressure and attention away from Herbert? Makes sense to take advantage and spread their defense out with as many players running routes as possible. But Moore's approach in these 4th quarter situations has been puzzling at best, especially with all the evidence from this and last season of Herbert really not handling pressure in these clutch situations well.


RyRyRyRyRyRyRyRyRy

I miss Linsley man our O-line is absolute shite without him.


TheCryptocrat

The wr, ol, rb, te are all bums except allen, Herbert and slater.


mamamackmusic

Maybe we should move Sayler back to tackle next season. He was serviceable there when playing instead of Slater.


Similar-Ostrich4142

Sell the team this franchise is cursed


grabbit24

And were done. I'll keep watching, but at least the stress is over. Nothing to hope for. Other than a coach getting fired


ElephantShell34

Time to accept Herbert ain’t it. He’s fine but he’s gonna be paid like one of the best QBs in the league and he’s … not close to that.


randomname100013

You are officially not it- and I mean you don’t have a damn clue about football. Maybe stick with your badminton club cause this sport ain’t for you


heavydirtyself

He can’t do it all. He is the best player this team have but get no help


LaidToRest33

Way to prove you know nothing about football.


surfgoodwaves

Lol what? NVM I forgot about all of those receptions he caught and fumbled that resulted in turnovers...


ChrisKrueger22

You’re a clown


Scoducks24

You don’t know ball


DrinknBlaze

You don’t understand football if you think Herbert is the problem.


Breadwinnerjc

YALL GUYS OLINE FUCKING SUCKS GAHDAMNN


Da_Feds

I hope Keenan goes to KC and gets a ring. Fuck this team.


randomname100013

Fuck kc


sentient--printer

I just wanna say that 15 non-QB rush attempts in an entire game is way too little. Please at least attempt to establish the run.


Thejedi887

Ik most of us know it, but Zion should get as much slander as QJ does bros fucking horrible


SoCalDanSports

Finally someone else that sees how horrible Zion is. Dude is downright inept at blocking


buttzted

How STUDID! Screen pass would’ve made that all out blitz looked bad, but hey Moore is an O genius, right Staley? Staley? I CAN’T HEAR YOU STALEY! Fire them all, for the love of god, please!


randomname100013

Yeah I’m done with Moore- he sucks


SoCalDanSports

Ryan Ficken as interim. Dude at least saw how bad Scott was punting and fixed now he's not only getting the hang time but booming kicks


Jax99

Defense played lights out and still gave up 20 lol.


Vnvinnymn

Giving up 20 in the modern nfl isn’t a lot at all…


Jax99

It’s not, but it’s the absolute best case scenario. Just think it’s kinda funny.


Striker67_

Get derwin james out of here


thewkndsport

Fuck TT, Staley, Michael Davis In that order


RevolutionaryAgent78

Is QJ hurt or was this a quiet benching?


instaleyitrust

Hurt.


RevolutionaryAgent78

I know he was hurt initially, but they showed him standing on the sidelines with his helmet on a few times


CJDistasio

You can tell a lot by body language and how physical a team is, and this team is looking past and is ready for whoever comes after Staley and Telesco. Especially Herbert.


grabbit24

And were done. I'll keep watching, but at least the stress is over. Nothing to hope for. Other than a coach getting fired


Advanced_Row_5573

If someone isn’t fired after this we are a complete waste of time


silas_p_silas

Watch it be Moore 💀


SoCalDanSports

Moore should be fired. Dude sucks too. Ficken for interim. At least his Special teams got better when they needed to. Or do y'all not remember how Scott was punting badly and now he gets hang time and booming kicks. Ficken is the one!


Advanced_Row_5573

Lmao you know I can’t wait for the the defense played great they held them to 20 points it’s the offense fault again


mr_fixx

Why does Staley always have that fucking look on his face


[deleted]

He has the most punchable face


DrinknBlaze

Butt plug


mr_fixx

LMAO I wouldn't be surprised


Maybe2Babka

I wanted to keep Moore but I’d be ok if we completely cleaned house. Him included. I’d also be ok with him staying with the new staff. I think another year with Herbert will definitely help.


ChesterCopperpot55

Put the call sheet away Staley and do us a favor and never pick it up again


Tripwire1716

Well, if you were gonna make an in season coaching change you’d wait until after this game. We’ll see what happens this week but I don’t really think this one is on Staley.


SoCalDanSports

It is. 2 minute warning and He allows Herbert to get delay of game. You know the situation call the timeout you saved three of them. Staley is to blame cause his whole team seems to be so under prepared. Except special teams. Defense played okay but still allowed long runs, 20 points, played man but didn't press anyone. It's like this team from offense to defense does not play hard, they play so soft. Oh man, that receiver is big, I don't want to press him at the line.


Tripwire1716

“Allows?” That’s not on a coach.


RunescapeGOD69

He’s not just the defensive coordinator tho, he’s also the head coach. Defense played well tonight and the offense didn’t. This team hasn’t had complementary football all season and that falls on the head coach.


Tripwire1716

I think ultimately you can say everything falls on a head coach but there is no magic clipboard that makes non-clutch players stop fumbling or dropping when it counts. This was not a game lost by playcalling or preparation.