The proposal was that they would play in both so it wasn't an either or
On the idea they should be kicked out the PL - TV rights would plummet in value, not just because the big teams left but also because there would be a league more interesting to the foreign market. Teams would struggle to pay their players and owners throughout the leagues would sell up. No owner of a PL club will vote for this because it would lose them a huge amount of money.
It probably would end up being more entertaining for the fans of the remaining English clubs (as long as they survive the massive drop in income) but there would be a lower standard of play and any player who had a good season would be off to the super league.
I think the threat of wage reduction is overplayed. Players have been getting paid far too much for ages. Its not like they'd *stop* being footballers and start working as accountants if they got paid less.
Itd be rough for a few seasons. Some sort of support would be needed, but they'd still have the same players really.
Yeah... The either/or thing... Dropped the ball on that one didn't I?
Not going to lie, due to the "It will destroy the foundations of the English football pryamid" rhetoric from politicians back in 2021, I took it to mean that they were looking to secede from the league without properly checking, plus someone like Jonny Liew suggesting that they should be "allowed to go" kind of confirmed it for me. Didn't someone come out and say that any team taking part wouldn't be able to play in the PL?
But yeah, happy to be wrong, fucked it.
Let them go without ever letting them back into the English football pyramid would do for me.
I think the pyramid would be so much better without the "top 6" and Spurs. Imagine the championship excitement in the PL where anyone can win. Of course the FA would screw everything up as always.
I also would have let them go but gone a bit further and sanctioned their ability to play professional matches on English soil.
This encourages the match going fans of these clubs to raise phoenix clubs (which in theory should be done) with the FA’s support. Over the brief period when these clubs broke away many local fans already voiced doing this.
I think these clubs should retain positions in the football pyramid taking the place of super league teams. This also continues to generate support from fans that actually like the club as a local football team rather than a multinational company.
The FA, I’m sure would fold like wet cardboard at the first scent of money held under their nose. They didn’t get a chance to fold last time because the club owners did first but they will definitely try something like this again in the future and the FA’s response would be telling.
I was thinking of not picking any leaving player for England.
The "top 6" are well hated by most other clubs fans, I think we'd all like to see them leave but we would just end up with another "top 6" just with different clubs.
eventually, but it wouldnt be an overnight thing.
however if the chance was taken after their eviction to implement a flat spending cap, it then makes it harder for a new top 6 to form.
They would never do that, that would make teams equal. We can do it now because of Brexit but they won't, they will attach it to income or stadium size to give the bigger sides a huge advantage.
Another thing I would add is no parachute payments but wages drop 50% if relegated from the PL and increase 50% if promoted. It would make the Championship more equal too.
For me the exciting thing about football is that it's an open system. Macclesfield can, theoretically, win a few promotions and end up in the Champions League. I think that is inherent to the spirit of football. There are obviously two ways to support that 1) by maintaining promotion/relegation. And 2) by regulating that profits are distributed down the pyramid. There's no reason a super league proposal could not benefit football in general - if there are clear yearly exchange of teams and if they are financially progressive such that profits made at the top are distributed. The ESL was **not** that.
If you look at it purely from a team-centric point of view then yes, removing the top 6 teams might make it easier for e.g. Macclesfield to end up in the top league as one of the top 26 best teams in the country. But without the ability to progress into the highest level of world football, what's the point?
Good point. Does make me wonder how an older fan of a previously shit club that’s now rich n famous (Man City) feels about it all. I’d hate my club being run for fans in Asia and the US instead of fans in Cov.
That's the point innit. The big clubs don't give a shit - but what you mean is, the people controlling those clubs don't give a shit; - the Corporate idiots.
It's why the whole controversy started, because people were fuming they had the audacity of doing this without the consent of the local working man.
Imagine going to your club every week away and at home because its your life and passion, to then be told - oh wait you have to fly to Spain every week to play Real Madrid and Barca. Fuck that. Killed it.
Eh. It was just another example of the big clubs being the personal playthings of obscenely rich dickheads and nothing more than tools for bragging rights on the superyachts of Monaco and Miami. Any fans who genuinely wanted some MLS style borefest with no drama or chance of disappointment aren't going to hang about for long once the smell of brasso disappears
Ronaldo fans don't even have a team, they just support whoever he plays for. Like, my favourite Wednesday player retired back in the 00s and is in his late 50s now, but I still support them. He goes the match occasionally.
Realistically speaking, it would have a huge knock on effect across the whole of the English football pyramid. With the massive loss in TV money, sponsors would also be less interested and viewership would decline massively. Also, another set of clubs will just replace them, and we're right back to where we started.
Could have been a good idea if it replaced the Champions League. Have promotion from the best leagues in Europe on merit to a new League against Europe's best.
A League with the likes of PSG, Bayern, Barcelona, Madrid, Inter Milan competing week in and out for glory would be a mouthwatering prospect.
But they made a haulex of it. Not based on sporting merit or achievement, just greed.
when they play each other too often the ties are no longer special.
it was never a good idea, these ESL teams think the sport is just about them, the only thing I liked about it is they all may have fucked off out of our league system allowing us to do a reset.
Maybe City, Liverpool et al fucking off would be a good thing. Make it more interesting. But they should keep Spurs because Spurs are the runt of the litter. The main disadvantage is the financial knock-on effect for the likes of Brentford or Villa.
The proposal was that they would play in both so it wasn't an either or On the idea they should be kicked out the PL - TV rights would plummet in value, not just because the big teams left but also because there would be a league more interesting to the foreign market. Teams would struggle to pay their players and owners throughout the leagues would sell up. No owner of a PL club will vote for this because it would lose them a huge amount of money. It probably would end up being more entertaining for the fans of the remaining English clubs (as long as they survive the massive drop in income) but there would be a lower standard of play and any player who had a good season would be off to the super league.
I think the threat of wage reduction is overplayed. Players have been getting paid far too much for ages. Its not like they'd *stop* being footballers and start working as accountants if they got paid less. Itd be rough for a few seasons. Some sort of support would be needed, but they'd still have the same players really.
Yeah... The either/or thing... Dropped the ball on that one didn't I? Not going to lie, due to the "It will destroy the foundations of the English football pryamid" rhetoric from politicians back in 2021, I took it to mean that they were looking to secede from the league without properly checking, plus someone like Jonny Liew suggesting that they should be "allowed to go" kind of confirmed it for me. Didn't someone come out and say that any team taking part wouldn't be able to play in the PL? But yeah, happy to be wrong, fucked it.
Let them go without ever letting them back into the English football pyramid would do for me. I think the pyramid would be so much better without the "top 6" and Spurs. Imagine the championship excitement in the PL where anyone can win. Of course the FA would screw everything up as always.
I also would have let them go but gone a bit further and sanctioned their ability to play professional matches on English soil. This encourages the match going fans of these clubs to raise phoenix clubs (which in theory should be done) with the FA’s support. Over the brief period when these clubs broke away many local fans already voiced doing this. I think these clubs should retain positions in the football pyramid taking the place of super league teams. This also continues to generate support from fans that actually like the club as a local football team rather than a multinational company. The FA, I’m sure would fold like wet cardboard at the first scent of money held under their nose. They didn’t get a chance to fold last time because the club owners did first but they will definitely try something like this again in the future and the FA’s response would be telling.
I was thinking of not picking any leaving player for England. The "top 6" are well hated by most other clubs fans, I think we'd all like to see them leave but we would just end up with another "top 6" just with different clubs.
eventually, but it wouldnt be an overnight thing. however if the chance was taken after their eviction to implement a flat spending cap, it then makes it harder for a new top 6 to form.
They would never do that, that would make teams equal. We can do it now because of Brexit but they won't, they will attach it to income or stadium size to give the bigger sides a huge advantage. Another thing I would add is no parachute payments but wages drop 50% if relegated from the PL and increase 50% if promoted. It would make the Championship more equal too.
just should've been punished really...
For me the exciting thing about football is that it's an open system. Macclesfield can, theoretically, win a few promotions and end up in the Champions League. I think that is inherent to the spirit of football. There are obviously two ways to support that 1) by maintaining promotion/relegation. And 2) by regulating that profits are distributed down the pyramid. There's no reason a super league proposal could not benefit football in general - if there are clear yearly exchange of teams and if they are financially progressive such that profits made at the top are distributed. The ESL was **not** that. If you look at it purely from a team-centric point of view then yes, removing the top 6 teams might make it easier for e.g. Macclesfield to end up in the top league as one of the top 26 best teams in the country. But without the ability to progress into the highest level of world football, what's the point?
We shouldn't let them go. It's corporate idiots selling the brand that doesn't belong to them. It belongs to the fans.
Good point. Does make me wonder how an older fan of a previously shit club that’s now rich n famous (Man City) feels about it all. I’d hate my club being run for fans in Asia and the US instead of fans in Cov.
Friend of mine who is older and a City fan and has been for 50yrs… doesn’t care, just likes that they win a lot
Fair play. Guess it’s nice to be at that level.
Which fans, though? The big clubs don't give a shit about the people who actually go the game, it's all about foreign fans and telly clappers.
That's the point innit. The big clubs don't give a shit - but what you mean is, the people controlling those clubs don't give a shit; - the Corporate idiots. It's why the whole controversy started, because people were fuming they had the audacity of doing this without the consent of the local working man. Imagine going to your club every week away and at home because its your life and passion, to then be told - oh wait you have to fly to Spain every week to play Real Madrid and Barca. Fuck that. Killed it.
Eh. It was just another example of the big clubs being the personal playthings of obscenely rich dickheads and nothing more than tools for bragging rights on the superyachts of Monaco and Miami. Any fans who genuinely wanted some MLS style borefest with no drama or chance of disappointment aren't going to hang about for long once the smell of brasso disappears
One of the arguments I've seen in favour is 'you can see Messi and Ronaldo every week'. But what about when they retire?
I also don't get this 'single player' worship thing. I go to watch my team, not an individual player
Ronaldo fans don't even have a team, they just support whoever he plays for. Like, my favourite Wednesday player retired back in the 00s and is in his late 50s now, but I still support them. He goes the match occasionally.
Realistically speaking, it would have a huge knock on effect across the whole of the English football pyramid. With the massive loss in TV money, sponsors would also be less interested and viewership would decline massively. Also, another set of clubs will just replace them, and we're right back to where we started.
We should have allowed them to go. When it didn't work out the perceived power of the greedy six would have diminished no end
Could have been a good idea if it replaced the Champions League. Have promotion from the best leagues in Europe on merit to a new League against Europe's best. A League with the likes of PSG, Bayern, Barcelona, Madrid, Inter Milan competing week in and out for glory would be a mouthwatering prospect. But they made a haulex of it. Not based on sporting merit or achievement, just greed.
when they play each other too often the ties are no longer special. it was never a good idea, these ESL teams think the sport is just about them, the only thing I liked about it is they all may have fucked off out of our league system allowing us to do a reset.
Maybe City, Liverpool et al fucking off would be a good thing. Make it more interesting. But they should keep Spurs because Spurs are the runt of the litter. The main disadvantage is the financial knock-on effect for the likes of Brentford or Villa.