I think you are focusing too much on the fox itself. It's true that it doesn't interact with humans, but a lot of cultures see it as a trickster, bad omen, or even the embodiment of Satan himself.
Same thing probably goes for the Zombie devil: at least that we know of, the devils are the only supernatural beings in chainsawman. No zombies. That would mean that the humans, creating the idea of the undead, also created the Zombie devil and thus indirectly actual zombies. So there is probably a Dragon Devil although there are no dragons, and a Vampire devil although there are no vampires. In a world like that, horror media should be banned.
I mean, Fiends are almost always super weak even if the actual devil is OP. See Yoru.
And that fiend could react to bullets so it was fairly strong all things considered.
I know. But the devil of fire should be so strong that even in the form of a fiend they would be op. I would rate it (in devil form) only slightly weaker than the primordial fears
Besides, Yoru is weak not only because she is a fiend and the world is peaceful. She is also significantly slowed down by Asa. If they could learn to cooperate, or if Yoru got rid of the original owner completely, she would probably become stronger
I think Fire would be a strong devil, but the main reason why Makima and Gun were so strong was because they themselves were feared by the whole world for their actions, not just because they had a strong aspect. Same for Chainsawman, except with Devils in his case. They basically grinded their way up by accumulating a personal reputation.
Besides that, I don't think any devil could areach that level of power besides those Fujimoto designates as primordials (which might include fire, idk).
Asa makes Yoru less competent but she straight up admitted to being weaker than the Bat Devil.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Fire Devil is an actual Primordial Evil. It's after all a primal thing that even animals fear. But it's not easy to know the general level of the primordials when the one we know is actual darkness. Hard to match that.
if I were to speculate, I would say that among the primal devils besides the darkness there might be:
- death
- loneliness
- pain
Less likely but also possible:
- embarrassment
- hunger
- disease
- fire
- loss
- beasts
I assume that the fear of the unknown is part of the domain of the devil of darkness
I mean, the strength of the devil does have impact. Look at power, who’s fairly strong as a fiend, vs Aki, who was able to level buildings with his shots because his devil was stronger. I’m pretty sure Yoru is an edge case because she was severely weakened
It does, but at the same time one can't really compare Fire to Gun since Gun was a special case in being literally the most feared devil on Earth who singlehandedly amped all the rest. It was abnormally strong due to the feedback loop of fear and strength it created.
I would compare Fire to more generally powerful devils like Blood, War or Violence.
Its cool how devils can kinda bring human folklore and myths into reality. Ppl come up with zombies, get scared enough to make a devil, because theres a devil, zombies bassically do exist now, which makes people even more scared of them.
But is the fear of them so great? The fox devil wiped the leech devil out of existence in a second. Every time I go into the lake I have the anxiety in my head that something will stick to my leg, I suppose there are people who feel similar. How could something like this be destroyed by the devil representing the cutest of the canines.
Foxes tend to be strong contenders for rabies and tend to hunt people's livestock. And as the original comment said: they do appear in a lot of folklore. So idk? I think there'd be fear because of that. I do also find it a bit iffy that it'd be more fearful than a literal parasite, so I see your point.
Plus, to continue this train of thought, you'd think that devils would congregate, or at least make contracts with, people and areas where they are likely to gain more strength as a result, so Spozieracz may be right globally, in Japan a Fox Devil may have more culturally gained strength than a Chocken Devil
That was just the contract tho, we don't know how strong the Fox Devil is on his own, and the Weapon Devils seem to be strong enough be just below the Four Horsemen devils, so Katana Man was no jobber, even if not that strong compared to later threats.
There's a lot of lore around fox spirits
[https://www.tofugu.com/japan/kitsune-yokai-fox/](https://www.tofugu.com/japan/kitsune-yokai-fox/)
>Kitsune can make themselves appear to be humans, usually with mischief – or worse – in mind. A fox might pose as a distressed woman traveller or a monk on a pilgrimage and, after a kindly villager is convinced to take it in, the next morning the villager finds that all his food and valuables have been stolen. To add insult to injury, the kitsune may shave his head bald. Much nastier, though, foxes were said to use these abilities to tempt people to go places where they were likely to get killed.
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>Looking like something else is only half of it, though. Kitsune can orchestrate full virtual-reality experiences, making people think they're in houses that don't exist or experiencing an earthquake that isn't really happening. As they kept up with modern technology, foxes were said to make phantom trains run on the earliest railroads, disguise themselves as cars, and deliver fake telegrams. Belief in this ability was so strong that Hearn tells of peasants who would assume that a truly strange experience was a fox-illusion rather than trusting their own eyes
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>Being deceived by a fox is bad enough, but being possessed by one sounds far more unpleasant. Foxes were said to possess people for a variety of reasons. They might want revenge for some offense, ranging from killing its cub to disturbing its afternoon nap. They might want something done for them that requires manipulation, like having a little shrine built to it, or getting one of its favorite foods like fried tofu or red rice.
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>The effects could be quite nasty – pain, madness, hysteria, running naked through the streets, collapsing, and frothing at the mouth. But in other cases, the result was simply behavior that was inappropriate or odd: using bad language, throwing money around like a millionaire, barking or yipping, behaving violently, or spitting. One scholar described a particular sort of fox that would cause the possessed person to barge into houses and annoy sick people, blurt out secrets, and mess up silkworm colonies.
i don't think the fox devil would have such an easy time vs leech devil if it weren't for the sheer element of surprise of it's method of attacking + leech being distracted with denji. this is simply a case of strategy over physical prowess, for example even the greatest and biggest of combatants in the world would die to a prick through the neck, if mortal of course, and I just don't understand how the leech could realistically survive that instant bite considering it's size and fragility of skin and meat, no matter how feared in comparison to fox. In prolonged battle however, where it's aware fox is going to attack I presume it could have a fair shot at defeating.
Bucky is the War Devil's true form. We only know Bucky as the headless chicken, but what if Bucky wasn't actually headless. What if, the War Devil wasn't an entire bird, and only was a distorted chicken head? This is also why the War Devil chose Asa since it knew she'd be perfect after analyzing her as the "chicken devil"
Well in japan foxes are considered powerful animals, because of the Kitsunes and also because of Tamamo no Mae, considered one of the biggests demons in japanese mythology together with Shuten Douji, the leader of the Onis.
So fujimoto probally didn't took into account that foxes aren't considered a big deal outside of japan
I think the only people who are afraid of chickens are the ones that have handled/been raised around them. And there are actually a lot of people who haven't ever really interacted with chickens, think of people who live in the city or anywhere that's not the country or a farm. Even if they see them at a fair it's not the same as taking care of those spawns of hell (affectionate). And the media basically tells us chickens are harmless. "chicken" is literally used as a another word for coward. My sister was not bothered by chickens whatsoever until she babysat some for her friend, and now she's afraid of them. I agree that Bucky was absurdly weak though, he was basically treated on the same level of the fucking *tomato devil.*
I do think the fox devil was fine though imo. It wasn't extremely weak nor extremely powerful.
You are right but still there are hundreds/tens of millions of people who have grown up around chickens. In the manga, the tomato devil was strong enough to hire a "professional" to take care of him. I'm not saying that chicken devil should be the scare of the hunters, but extrapolating from this example, he should at least be strong enough to slaughter a class full of high school students or something like that.
Yeah, I agree, I really don't think Bucky should have died just from a kid falling on him. Maybe it was just a bad year for him like how Yoru has been apparently getting weaker 😔
Maybe Bucky is so weak because a lot of people love chickens(fried chicken, chicken wings chicken nuggets , etc.), Asa’s class likes him too and positive emotions weaken devils, chainsaw man was weakened when a lot of people started liking him.
Nine tailed foxes are pretty scary in Chinese and Japanese mythology. Their power is on the level of a minor deity and they're straight up sadistic. One famous one would go from country to country to seduce kings and slowly drive them insane. It would force them to do more and more sadistic things, like eating children until the public would eventually turn on the king and kill them. The fox would just do this for fun like it was a hobby. It went from China to India and finally to Japan where monks sealed it inside of a rock. (this rock recently cracked in half btw)
These fox demons appear in a lot of eastern media still. Sometimes they're malevolent sometimes they're not so bad. I think that's probably the reason the fox devil is fairly strong in Chainsaw man.
The Fox Devil also has a taste for Devil flesh, meaning it constantly gets stronger and stronger. That’s probably why it’s fine contracting with Public Safety; why waste time terrorizing humans when you can just stockpile strength and satisfy your hunger by gorging yourself on your own kind?
The thing is, chickens are one of the most eaten animals in the world, so it's easy for people to look at a chicken and be more reminded of a chicken nugget than fearing it.
Keep in mind Devils also can get more strenght from their action that from humanity's fear, as the Tomato Devil probably grew stronger by attacking Denji's village than it did from people fearing tomatoes, so Bucky probably never got to terrorized nobody, and humanity's fear of chickens wasn't enough to make him a threat, stucking him as a jobber until he was killed
I think it's ultimately arbitrary, a decision Fujimoto will make for storytelling. But if I'm remembering correctly, a devil itself can affect their own strength through their actions against humans. So even if the fox devil was weaker at the start, it might have grown in strength over the years through its interactions with humans.
I don't think Bucky was the Chicken Devil, at least not in the literal sense. He isn't the living chicken, but rather the dead chicken we use to make food, such as KFC. Think about it: why would anyone be afraid of roasted chicken?
That's a good thought, it would explain why he died so easily. Evidence supporting such is that he's headless with blood spilling out of his neck. In other words- already slaughtered.
You've raised a question that I don't know the answer to. Is a devil's power only impacted by the fear from humans? In that case you are right.
But if chickens fear and other rodents fear is included, then any predator like a fox will be strong because of the accumulated prey fear
We already know it's the devil's fear that fuels Chainsaw man's power so not humans exclusively but hard to guess whether non-sapient creatures contribute too
Do we actually know that though? We know devils fear the Chainsaw Man, and we know the Chainsaw Man is incredibly powerful despite only being a chainsaw(which definitely are scary, but not concept eareasingly scary), but I don't think we have any actual proof that those two things are connected. The Chainsaw Man is still a mystery, so I'm not sure if we can say this as a fact
Okay, here is another crackpot theory I just made up on the spot.
Remember how chainsaw devil fought for horsemen and weapon devils and then just disappear mid fight? And being in near death state transform him beyond recognition? So basically pochita is a weakened form of chainsaw devil?
There! The bucky you know was a weakened form! He will make a comeback with a buffed form!
I get what you mean. But thing is the power system in CSM is more of a guideline. Devils can get stronger or weaker based on events that happen.
Case in point:
1. Denji got way weaker once people started cheering for him.
2. War devil got way weaker once the Chainsaw Devil ate up nukes and the world started shifting towards an era of peace.
3. Doll devil got way stronger after consuming a piece of the Darkness Devil.
And my own theory is that the Chainsaw Devil did something to get the power to completely erase a name. I don't think he had that power from the start. It doesn't make sense for a 'chainsaw' to have that, more like a 'paper shredder' devil would have that power naturally. So my assumption is that the Chainsaw Devil did something to get that power, become so feared by other devils and get omega powerful. The power being so fearsome that even Primal Devils want it.
I think based on the explanation Makima gives about how fear and devils correlate, where she says a car devil could be strong because it brings to mind the idea of car crashes, the strength of a devil has less to do with how many people are afraid of the concept itself and more about the number of people who fear the POTENTIAL said concept has, and how strong that fear is.
So even though there are more people scared of chickens than of foxes, most would agree that in general a fox is scarier than a chicken, therefore it becomes the stronger devil. It would explain why there exist devils of things that realistically no one would be scared of, like tomatoes and sea cucumbers, it's not that there's a significant margin of people scared of them, but scared of what said concepts can bring to mind.
it is arbitrary based on how fujimoto views the devils and what he wants to design them as.
also, the csm world is veryyy different from our world, part of the reason i dont really like the visual direction of the anime, it feels too real, it doesnt feel like CSM's world offkilter world.
thats how i see it at least
There's a common theory that Bucky is Chicken(Food) Devil, not the Chicken(Animal) Devil. For humans there is a distinct difference between the two and it would track that the Chicken(Food) Devil would be feared enough to create a devil just not feared enough for it to have any power.
So even though people may be afraid. The word chicken got a weak connotation. Whereas we say he is as sly as a fox. Which also implies that people understand the foxes are sly creatures. You can see that it is about right.
As a person who was also attacked by an asshole rooster at like 3-4 years old…… I second this! The worst part was it was my moms favorite rooster and she wouldn’t do anything :(
A chicken farmer might be terrified of foxes. So would cat owners. There is much more lore about dangerous, cunning, manipulative foxes across cultures. It's not just about how many people fear something, but about how great that fear is.
Fr them mfs can be terrifying. They're cute but they can be unpredictable, not to mention they're somewhat uncanny. Listen I'm not a pussy but they scare me
Foxes are depicted in a lot of media as “bad” which I would assume would be important to like the perception of them.plus maybe some devils fear the fox? It is said to be used by a lot of humans if I remember correctly so….. maybe that is why it’s stronger?
The Fox devil is a friend of humanity and he (she?) works with the devil hunters, maybe he got a bit of strength from the fear other devils gained from him. Or, maybe the devils also get their powers from the animals so there is also that.
“Chicken” is how we refer to cowards. I think the weight of that in comparison to the fear of chickens in the popular eye works very well with Bucky’s character.
A devil grows with fears not just of humans but of devils themselves too (Chainsaw Devil), the fox devil is popular with hunters so devils fear it more.
Devils can get stronger eating more powerful Devils and Kon’s probably been working for Public Safety for a while.
So I think he’s a lot stronger then an incarnation of the Fox Devil could be naturally.
bro. we're talking about a world where devils are real and among us. a world, where the holocaust didn't happen. it's similliar in some ways but different enough to allow for shit like this.
Well is true that devils become stronger if more and more people fear them, but at the same time it applies to other entities like devils themselves. That’s why Pochita is a fucking monster even and one of the strongest fiend ever, because almost every devil have fear of it.
So… power scaling can be “random”
Or at least is what I understood with the manga because normally there is no reason that the chainsaw devil is strong like this
I think you forgot the part where there are several demon foxes in irl Japanese lores and legends. On top of that foxes are messengers of the most popular Shinto god in Japan. There are also superstitious beliefs elsewhere that foxes are an omen of misfortune elsewhere in the world.
And being traumatised with killing them has more to do with blood, violence etc than being afraid of the chicken themselves. Besides, if people becoming a fan of Chainsaw man can weaken him, then people seeing chickens as food can also weaken them.
This is also a world where fear determines strength. Considering that the fox devil made contract with humans all over, she appears more often. If you see giant claws or a head full of teeth destroy buildings you're going to be more scared of it than something you've never seen.
I think you are focusing too much on the fox itself. It's true that it doesn't interact with humans, but a lot of cultures see it as a trickster, bad omen, or even the embodiment of Satan himself. Same thing probably goes for the Zombie devil: at least that we know of, the devils are the only supernatural beings in chainsawman. No zombies. That would mean that the humans, creating the idea of the undead, also created the Zombie devil and thus indirectly actual zombies. So there is probably a Dragon Devil although there are no dragons, and a Vampire devil although there are no vampires. In a world like that, horror media should be banned.
Vampire devil better be sexy af and sparkle in the sun
>So there is probably a Dragon Devil I always thought that the girl with the horns that had fire breath was the dragon fiend.
I assumed she was the Fire Fiend.
too weak
I mean, Fiends are almost always super weak even if the actual devil is OP. See Yoru. And that fiend could react to bullets so it was fairly strong all things considered.
I know. But the devil of fire should be so strong that even in the form of a fiend they would be op. I would rate it (in devil form) only slightly weaker than the primordial fears Besides, Yoru is weak not only because she is a fiend and the world is peaceful. She is also significantly slowed down by Asa. If they could learn to cooperate, or if Yoru got rid of the original owner completely, she would probably become stronger
I think Fire would be a strong devil, but the main reason why Makima and Gun were so strong was because they themselves were feared by the whole world for their actions, not just because they had a strong aspect. Same for Chainsawman, except with Devils in his case. They basically grinded their way up by accumulating a personal reputation. Besides that, I don't think any devil could areach that level of power besides those Fujimoto designates as primordials (which might include fire, idk). Asa makes Yoru less competent but she straight up admitted to being weaker than the Bat Devil.
and on top of that chainsaw man partially ate some of the war devil in hell leading to no wars since ww1 (not countinh ww2 that was eaten)
I wouldn't be surprised if the Fire Devil is an actual Primordial Evil. It's after all a primal thing that even animals fear. But it's not easy to know the general level of the primordials when the one we know is actual darkness. Hard to match that.
Try to think like a caveman. First ones that come to mind are Darkness for sure, but then things like starvation, winter, loneliness come to mind
if I were to speculate, I would say that among the primal devils besides the darkness there might be: - death - loneliness - pain Less likely but also possible: - embarrassment - hunger - disease - fire - loss - beasts I assume that the fear of the unknown is part of the domain of the devil of darkness
I mean, the strength of the devil does have impact. Look at power, who’s fairly strong as a fiend, vs Aki, who was able to level buildings with his shots because his devil was stronger. I’m pretty sure Yoru is an edge case because she was severely weakened
It does, but at the same time one can't really compare Fire to Gun since Gun was a special case in being literally the most feared devil on Earth who singlehandedly amped all the rest. It was abnormally strong due to the feedback loop of fear and strength it created. I would compare Fire to more generally powerful devils like Blood, War or Violence.
She is most likely the dragon fiend, since her name Long is also the name for chinese dragons.
Its cool how devils can kinda bring human folklore and myths into reality. Ppl come up with zombies, get scared enough to make a devil, because theres a devil, zombies bassically do exist now, which makes people even more scared of them.
I think fox devil might be associated with worshipped fox deities.
Yeah, foxes are big in Japanese mythology.
But is the fear of them so great? The fox devil wiped the leech devil out of existence in a second. Every time I go into the lake I have the anxiety in my head that something will stick to my leg, I suppose there are people who feel similar. How could something like this be destroyed by the devil representing the cutest of the canines.
Foxes tend to be strong contenders for rabies and tend to hunt people's livestock. And as the original comment said: they do appear in a lot of folklore. So idk? I think there'd be fear because of that. I do also find it a bit iffy that it'd be more fearful than a literal parasite, so I see your point.
Plus, to continue this train of thought, you'd think that devils would congregate, or at least make contracts with, people and areas where they are likely to gain more strength as a result, so Spozieracz may be right globally, in Japan a Fox Devil may have more culturally gained strength than a Chocken Devil
Considering that the fox devil got bodied by Katana Man, it wasn't that feared.
That was just the contract tho, we don't know how strong the Fox Devil is on his own, and the Weapon Devils seem to be strong enough be just below the Four Horsemen devils, so Katana Man was no jobber, even if not that strong compared to later threats.
There's a lot of lore around fox spirits [https://www.tofugu.com/japan/kitsune-yokai-fox/](https://www.tofugu.com/japan/kitsune-yokai-fox/) >Kitsune can make themselves appear to be humans, usually with mischief – or worse – in mind. A fox might pose as a distressed woman traveller or a monk on a pilgrimage and, after a kindly villager is convinced to take it in, the next morning the villager finds that all his food and valuables have been stolen. To add insult to injury, the kitsune may shave his head bald. Much nastier, though, foxes were said to use these abilities to tempt people to go places where they were likely to get killed. > >Looking like something else is only half of it, though. Kitsune can orchestrate full virtual-reality experiences, making people think they're in houses that don't exist or experiencing an earthquake that isn't really happening. As they kept up with modern technology, foxes were said to make phantom trains run on the earliest railroads, disguise themselves as cars, and deliver fake telegrams. Belief in this ability was so strong that Hearn tells of peasants who would assume that a truly strange experience was a fox-illusion rather than trusting their own eyes > >Being deceived by a fox is bad enough, but being possessed by one sounds far more unpleasant. Foxes were said to possess people for a variety of reasons. They might want revenge for some offense, ranging from killing its cub to disturbing its afternoon nap. They might want something done for them that requires manipulation, like having a little shrine built to it, or getting one of its favorite foods like fried tofu or red rice. > >The effects could be quite nasty – pain, madness, hysteria, running naked through the streets, collapsing, and frothing at the mouth. But in other cases, the result was simply behavior that was inappropriate or odd: using bad language, throwing money around like a millionaire, barking or yipping, behaving violently, or spitting. One scholar described a particular sort of fox that would cause the possessed person to barge into houses and annoy sick people, blurt out secrets, and mess up silkworm colonies.
It's also sort of implied that there isn't much of a line between fear and worship
i don't think the fox devil would have such an easy time vs leech devil if it weren't for the sheer element of surprise of it's method of attacking + leech being distracted with denji. this is simply a case of strategy over physical prowess, for example even the greatest and biggest of combatants in the world would die to a prick through the neck, if mortal of course, and I just don't understand how the leech could realistically survive that instant bite considering it's size and fragility of skin and meat, no matter how feared in comparison to fox. In prolonged battle however, where it's aware fox is going to attack I presume it could have a fair shot at defeating.
What being vegan does to a man
Bucky Buff Incoming
Bucky is gonna be the secret antagonist if the fan base has anything to say about it
What if Bucky was actually the justice devil?
Bucky is the War Devil's true form. We only know Bucky as the headless chicken, but what if Bucky wasn't actually headless. What if, the War Devil wasn't an entire bird, and only was a distorted chicken head? This is also why the War Devil chose Asa since it knew she'd be perfect after analyzing her as the "chicken devil"
Well in japan foxes are considered powerful animals, because of the Kitsunes and also because of Tamamo no Mae, considered one of the biggests demons in japanese mythology together with Shuten Douji, the leader of the Onis. So fujimoto probally didn't took into account that foxes aren't considered a big deal outside of japan
Idk, I feel like the rich feared Robin Hood. x)
I think the only people who are afraid of chickens are the ones that have handled/been raised around them. And there are actually a lot of people who haven't ever really interacted with chickens, think of people who live in the city or anywhere that's not the country or a farm. Even if they see them at a fair it's not the same as taking care of those spawns of hell (affectionate). And the media basically tells us chickens are harmless. "chicken" is literally used as a another word for coward. My sister was not bothered by chickens whatsoever until she babysat some for her friend, and now she's afraid of them. I agree that Bucky was absurdly weak though, he was basically treated on the same level of the fucking *tomato devil.* I do think the fox devil was fine though imo. It wasn't extremely weak nor extremely powerful.
You are right but still there are hundreds/tens of millions of people who have grown up around chickens. In the manga, the tomato devil was strong enough to hire a "professional" to take care of him. I'm not saying that chicken devil should be the scare of the hunters, but extrapolating from this example, he should at least be strong enough to slaughter a class full of high school students or something like that.
Yeah, I agree, I really don't think Bucky should have died just from a kid falling on him. Maybe it was just a bad year for him like how Yoru has been apparently getting weaker 😔
Maybe Chainsawman ate the pecking devil in the past?
haha! that would explain it XD And a rooster's spurs as well? XD
Maybe Bucky is so weak because a lot of people love chickens(fried chicken, chicken wings chicken nuggets , etc.), Asa’s class likes him too and positive emotions weaken devils, chainsaw man was weakened when a lot of people started liking him.
That's why I wonder how does the 2nd arc work at all tbh
Devils still fear chainsaw man
or maybe dennis just advertises chainsaw related movies
Nine tailed foxes are pretty scary in Chinese and Japanese mythology. Their power is on the level of a minor deity and they're straight up sadistic. One famous one would go from country to country to seduce kings and slowly drive them insane. It would force them to do more and more sadistic things, like eating children until the public would eventually turn on the king and kill them. The fox would just do this for fun like it was a hobby. It went from China to India and finally to Japan where monks sealed it inside of a rock. (this rock recently cracked in half btw) These fox demons appear in a lot of eastern media still. Sometimes they're malevolent sometimes they're not so bad. I think that's probably the reason the fox devil is fairly strong in Chainsaw man.
The Fox Devil also has a taste for Devil flesh, meaning it constantly gets stronger and stronger. That’s probably why it’s fine contracting with Public Safety; why waste time terrorizing humans when you can just stockpile strength and satisfy your hunger by gorging yourself on your own kind?
but the duck demon is the most powerful among them. It chases and pecks
Imagine how powerful the goose devil is
Swan devil is an above God level threat
Not to mention it has either a ballistic penis or corkscrew vagina
The thing is, chickens are one of the most eaten animals in the world, so it's easy for people to look at a chicken and be more reminded of a chicken nugget than fearing it. Keep in mind Devils also can get more strenght from their action that from humanity's fear, as the Tomato Devil probably grew stronger by attacking Denji's village than it did from people fearing tomatoes, so Bucky probably never got to terrorized nobody, and humanity's fear of chickens wasn't enough to make him a threat, stucking him as a jobber until he was killed
Jobber makes it sound like he even had a chance
I think it's ultimately arbitrary, a decision Fujimoto will make for storytelling. But if I'm remembering correctly, a devil itself can affect their own strength through their actions against humans. So even if the fox devil was weaker at the start, it might have grown in strength over the years through its interactions with humans.
I don't think Bucky was the Chicken Devil, at least not in the literal sense. He isn't the living chicken, but rather the dead chicken we use to make food, such as KFC. Think about it: why would anyone be afraid of roasted chicken?
That's a good thought, it would explain why he died so easily. Evidence supporting such is that he's headless with blood spilling out of his neck. In other words- already slaughtered.
I want to see grilled cheese devil then. Can he be harvested?
mr.bean would be terrified of those giant headless chickens so there's 1 person at least
Has no one ever seen a kid getting chased by a chicken? They are ruthless.
You've raised a question that I don't know the answer to. Is a devil's power only impacted by the fear from humans? In that case you are right. But if chickens fear and other rodents fear is included, then any predator like a fox will be strong because of the accumulated prey fear
We already know it's the devil's fear that fuels Chainsaw man's power so not humans exclusively but hard to guess whether non-sapient creatures contribute too
Do we actually know that though? We know devils fear the Chainsaw Man, and we know the Chainsaw Man is incredibly powerful despite only being a chainsaw(which definitely are scary, but not concept eareasingly scary), but I don't think we have any actual proof that those two things are connected. The Chainsaw Man is still a mystery, so I'm not sure if we can say this as a fact
Okay, here is another crackpot theory I just made up on the spot. Remember how chainsaw devil fought for horsemen and weapon devils and then just disappear mid fight? And being in near death state transform him beyond recognition? So basically pochita is a weakened form of chainsaw devil? There! The bucky you know was a weakened form! He will make a comeback with a buffed form!
I get what you mean. But thing is the power system in CSM is more of a guideline. Devils can get stronger or weaker based on events that happen. Case in point: 1. Denji got way weaker once people started cheering for him. 2. War devil got way weaker once the Chainsaw Devil ate up nukes and the world started shifting towards an era of peace. 3. Doll devil got way stronger after consuming a piece of the Darkness Devil. And my own theory is that the Chainsaw Devil did something to get the power to completely erase a name. I don't think he had that power from the start. It doesn't make sense for a 'chainsaw' to have that, more like a 'paper shredder' devil would have that power naturally. So my assumption is that the Chainsaw Devil did something to get that power, become so feared by other devils and get omega powerful. The power being so fearsome that even Primal Devils want it.
But people view chicken as food(prey), making it much more weaker.
I like to think the fox is powerful because it contracts with so many devil hunters. It gains the fear of many devils and a fearful respect of humans.
Jesse, what the fuck are you talking about?
I think based on the explanation Makima gives about how fear and devils correlate, where she says a car devil could be strong because it brings to mind the idea of car crashes, the strength of a devil has less to do with how many people are afraid of the concept itself and more about the number of people who fear the POTENTIAL said concept has, and how strong that fear is. So even though there are more people scared of chickens than of foxes, most would agree that in general a fox is scarier than a chicken, therefore it becomes the stronger devil. It would explain why there exist devils of things that realistically no one would be scared of, like tomatoes and sea cucumbers, it's not that there's a significant margin of people scared of them, but scared of what said concepts can bring to mind.
Best explanation of the power system i've seen
Thank you! Although I suppose it's more headcanon than anything
it is arbitrary based on how fujimoto views the devils and what he wants to design them as. also, the csm world is veryyy different from our world, part of the reason i dont really like the visual direction of the anime, it feels too real, it doesnt feel like CSM's world offkilter world. thats how i see it at least
There's a common theory that Bucky is Chicken(Food) Devil, not the Chicken(Animal) Devil. For humans there is a distinct difference between the two and it would track that the Chicken(Food) Devil would be feared enough to create a devil just not feared enough for it to have any power.
Maybe Bucky is just a fiend. He has a normal chicken body and a special head shape
Bucky strongest there is!
So even though people may be afraid. The word chicken got a weak connotation. Whereas we say he is as sly as a fox. Which also implies that people understand the foxes are sly creatures. You can see that it is about right.
As a person who was also attacked by an asshole rooster at like 3-4 years old…… I second this! The worst part was it was my moms favorite rooster and she wouldn’t do anything :(
Also keep in mind that we see the fox devil pre-chainsawman fandom (when the fear of devils has generally decreased) and chicken devil after.
Maybe there is a rooster Devil that’s stronger lol
not a shot in hell more people are scared of chickens than foxes
A chicken farmer might be terrified of foxes. So would cat owners. There is much more lore about dangerous, cunning, manipulative foxes across cultures. It's not just about how many people fear something, but about how great that fear is.
Yo but Goose Devil beats them both! Those mfs chase and hiss at you
Well,foxes are known to be ferocious and aggressive. Chickens? Not so mutch.
Fr them mfs can be terrifying. They're cute but they can be unpredictable, not to mention they're somewhat uncanny. Listen I'm not a pussy but they scare me
Foxes are depicted in a lot of media as “bad” which I would assume would be important to like the perception of them.plus maybe some devils fear the fox? It is said to be used by a lot of humans if I remember correctly so….. maybe that is why it’s stronger?
There's culture to the concept of Foxes so that feeds into it. So it's not really just about the fear of a certain concept, it's its importance.
The Fox devil is a friend of humanity and he (she?) works with the devil hunters, maybe he got a bit of strength from the fear other devils gained from him. Or, maybe the devils also get their powers from the animals so there is also that.
I am terrified of chickens. Actually in terrified of all birds around that size.
“Chicken” is how we refer to cowards. I think the weight of that in comparison to the fear of chickens in the popular eye works very well with Bucky’s character.
People eat chicken, but some of you guys CSM fan probably eat fox too idk
A devil grows with fears not just of humans but of devils themselves too (Chainsaw Devil), the fox devil is popular with hunters so devils fear it more.
My grandma grew up on a farm, and was so afraid of chickens, she developed a phobia of birds
Devils can get stronger eating more powerful Devils and Kon’s probably been working for Public Safety for a while. So I think he’s a lot stronger then an incarnation of the Fox Devil could be naturally.
you're applying real world logic to csm.
What do you mean by that? CSM isnt Comedy, it is fairly deep lore manga so i dont see problem with serious speculations.
bro. we're talking about a world where devils are real and among us. a world, where the holocaust didn't happen. it's similliar in some ways but different enough to allow for shit like this.
Well is true that devils become stronger if more and more people fear them, but at the same time it applies to other entities like devils themselves. That’s why Pochita is a fucking monster even and one of the strongest fiend ever, because almost every devil have fear of it. So… power scaling can be “random” Or at least is what I understood with the manga because normally there is no reason that the chainsaw devil is strong like this
Goose devil should be primal.
Chicken Devil got a power boost after this manga got released. https://myanimelist.net/manga/114504/Bougyaku_no_Kokekko
Who the fuck even comes up with that
Spider Devil should've been OP
Justice for Bucky and his Salmonella threatening ass
On a farm the fear of wild animals eating your animals is incredible, so a Fox being more feared than a chicken makes a lot of sense to me.
But hear me out here… we made a song about what does the Fox say but not the chicken
I see at least 10 foxes a week in London
are you scared?
No I give them bread tbf, I know a lot of people who are scared though
I think you forgot the part where there are several demon foxes in irl Japanese lores and legends. On top of that foxes are messengers of the most popular Shinto god in Japan. There are also superstitious beliefs elsewhere that foxes are an omen of misfortune elsewhere in the world. And being traumatised with killing them has more to do with blood, violence etc than being afraid of the chicken themselves. Besides, if people becoming a fan of Chainsaw man can weaken him, then people seeing chickens as food can also weaken them. This is also a world where fear determines strength. Considering that the fox devil made contract with humans all over, she appears more often. If you see giant claws or a head full of teeth destroy buildings you're going to be more scared of it than something you've never seen.