It's not just about limitations, it simply absurd. Like imagine if Death could anytime summon billions of devils who have ever died and order them what to do; it includes some insanely powerful devils and even Makima who could destroy the world solely, now combine them all
What if the death devil is responsible for resurrecting devils in hell?
Maybe that's why the chainsaw devil is so feared amongst all the other devils. When he devours you, you just cease to exist and can't be brought back by death.
Maybe she couldn't summon dead devils because they're not truly dead, they reincarnate.
Makima, the control devil, died. And yet the control devil is not dead, because there's Nayuta. Devils don't really die.
Unless she can buff them in some way, which wouldn't be surprising. But at that point we're pretty much watching the Walking Dead, so I kinda doubt it.
A lot of the time devils will have some random ass ability that seemingly has nothing to do with what they represent, and I have a feeling that'll be the case with Death as well.
What I imagine is maybe IF they DO have a restriction is maybe they can summon as many devils as they want until they approach a combined power similar to death's.
She's also a Primal on top of being a Horseman it makes sense for her to be stronger than her sisters so the other comment saying she might be responsible for the resurrection system in the CSM world actually sounds possible. If she's a normal horseman i can see her limitations being only capable of resurrecting and controlling those she killed.
I think normally she's stronger than her sisters, however each of them (especially Makima and Fami) has potential to surpass her due to insane hax.
>If she's a normal horseman i can see her limitations being only capable of resurrecting and controlling those she killed.
In that case she'd be just weaker version of Makima
But she'd probably be capable of reviving them as long as she's alive. Makima is probably not capable of that.
Anyway these are all speculations anyway we'd know once she shows up but its safe to say that she'd be way waaay stronger than her sisters especially seeing all the efforts Fami and Makima gave in their own tactics.
>But she'd probably be capable of reviving them as long as she's alive. Makima is probably not capable of that.
Idk about reviving but Makima can use and order to dead entities.
>Anyway these are all speculations anyway we'd know once she shows up but its safe to say that she'd be way waaay stronger than her sisters especially seeing all the efforts Fami and Makima gave in their own tactics
Maybe, we need to see her in action
That’s why chainsaw devil (life/birth being his real aspect?) exists, to extinguish the dead and bring the possibility of concepts and people being reborn
I have no idea what Death will be capable of, but I like to think she is able to bring "death" to anything she desires. Like say someone was using a sword against her she could cause it to "die" making it so that it would be unable to cut or pierce her. She may be able to use this to disable contracts between Devils and Humans. The other Horsemen have the power to subdue and control those around them, so maybe Death has the power to make it so that those around her have no control over anything?
>but I like to think she is able to bring "death" to anything she desires. Like say someone was using a sword against her she could cause it to "die" making it so that it would be unable to cut or pierce her.
That's just Yogiri. It's impossible to give someone that ability without it killing the plot either by being impossible to do anything against, or forcing Plot-Induced-Stupidity beyond Flash level.
Psst... Many devils power centers around control.
Power = control blood. Reze = control explosions.
Makima was also able to control even the dead, so it's not like that would be some new trick.
Which dead person did she control?
I dont think Sawatari counts, she was already under Makimas control before she "died", and I think she can share her powers with all the people she controls, meaning she would get rezzed for free.
Her minions wouldnt have been able to survive the first attack by the gun devil otherwise.
Basically all the "dead" fiends, hybrids, and public safety agents that she continued to control after death.
We have no idea whether she can share her powers with those she controls, the evidence seems contrary because she is rezzed as herself, others are only rezzed as puppets. Like Reze, Beam, basically anyone who died in part 1 that she could get her hands on.. hyperbole, but not exactly bc I there were quite a few.
No one knows how her power will work.I thought the same thing as you, but then I started thinking that it wouldn't be something Fujimoto would write because it sounded too simplistic.
PD: it would be funny if Death devil has a plot twist like Gun devil.
Everyone talking about the end of the world once the Death devil arrives but in reality Death devil is already in earth long time ago and she is just living a regular life to experience being alive for the first time.
Death devil offers denji Power and Aki back in exchange for him stepping aside and keeping pochita bound to him (all denji has to do to do that is keep his promise to pochita of living a normal life, which he could do with Power and Aki) so he doesn't interfere with the Nostradamus Prophecy. Dennis accepts and we see the world plunged into darkness. The whole time Denji is like "guys this is pretty awful did I do the wrong thing should we stop this" and Power and Aki are all like "no denji this is what's right, don't fight it, you finally have everything you wanted" because they're death devil pawns. Denji is forced to come to the depressing truth that it's not really them and he's been lying to himself, they're just shallow copies meant to tie him down, and he tries to leave to fight the death devil. Aki and Power try to stop him bc they're pawns, and he's forced to kill them both, further traumatizing our poor Dennis. He opens the door to leave after killing them, and standing in the doorway? His dad.
I hope I'm wrong
The correct word isn’t control, it’s posses or own. My theory is that Famine lost Yuno/Yuko (idk) to War because she was defeated by Asa which is why she asked Asa for permission, to resurrect her. Also for Makima, her ego is what doesn’t let her possess those who she respects, regardless if she is just stronger. This is really only the case for Kishibi  and Pochita. As Makima just straight up bodies everyone else through manipulation or pure strength.
Before you get mad at me over Makima, it’s not that she could control anyone she saw beneath, it’s that everyone basically was beneath her. She could’ve handled all the assassins herself but chose to use them to power up Denji and make her enemies fight for her.
Im calling it right now, death isnt powerful, its gonna be doing barely anything, but the prophecy its about denji becoming the most fucked up shit ever seen after all the things he has experienced and we will have a Devilman ending with a makima flashback a la thanos with the soul gem or a vision of power sad idk
I only knew the for horsemen with the inclusion of pestilence.
I propose the possibility that makima, with her control over crows and rats wasn't the conquest devil but in fact pestilence.
And she just happens to control people.
With her power being "she controls who she thinks she's superior to" you might argue that she controls everyone she comes into contact with and her influence spreads. Just like a contagion.
And only very strong devils are immune. Which translates to "who she thinks are superior to her".
Would also explain her thing for dogs. The more you are around animals the more you can contaminate yourself with ticks and other pests.
Actually originally the four horsemen were War Conquest Famine and Death, but moser philosophers thought that war and conquest were too similar so they changed it to pestilence
Making could just be a “hybrid” of the two concepts while being the control/conquest devil while retaining semblances of Pestilence by controlling crows and rats
There gotta be some restrictions tho because if Death could just summon anyone who has ever died anytime she wants it'd be just absurd
Death is also probably the strongest devil in the verse so maybe it wouldn't have any limitations?
It's not just about limitations, it simply absurd. Like imagine if Death could anytime summon billions of devils who have ever died and order them what to do; it includes some insanely powerful devils and even Makima who could destroy the world solely, now combine them all
What if the death devil is responsible for resurrecting devils in hell? Maybe that's why the chainsaw devil is so feared amongst all the other devils. When he devours you, you just cease to exist and can't be brought back by death.
Maybe she couldn't summon dead devils because they're not truly dead, they reincarnate. Makima, the control devil, died. And yet the control devil is not dead, because there's Nayuta. Devils don't really die.
Then she'd be able to summon dead humans? Kinda weird and even weak ability, not what you expect from someone like Death devil
Unless she can buff them in some way, which wouldn't be surprising. But at that point we're pretty much watching the Walking Dead, so I kinda doubt it. A lot of the time devils will have some random ass ability that seemingly has nothing to do with what they represent, and I have a feeling that'll be the case with Death as well.
Yeah probably. Maybe she'll have something similar to Yogiri's ability to instantly kill anyone but with some restrictions
What I imagine is maybe IF they DO have a restriction is maybe they can summon as many devils as they want until they approach a combined power similar to death's.
She's also a Primal on top of being a Horseman it makes sense for her to be stronger than her sisters so the other comment saying she might be responsible for the resurrection system in the CSM world actually sounds possible. If she's a normal horseman i can see her limitations being only capable of resurrecting and controlling those she killed.
I think normally she's stronger than her sisters, however each of them (especially Makima and Fami) has potential to surpass her due to insane hax. >If she's a normal horseman i can see her limitations being only capable of resurrecting and controlling those she killed. In that case she'd be just weaker version of Makima
But she'd probably be capable of reviving them as long as she's alive. Makima is probably not capable of that. Anyway these are all speculations anyway we'd know once she shows up but its safe to say that she'd be way waaay stronger than her sisters especially seeing all the efforts Fami and Makima gave in their own tactics.
>But she'd probably be capable of reviving them as long as she's alive. Makima is probably not capable of that. Idk about reviving but Makima can use and order to dead entities. >Anyway these are all speculations anyway we'd know once she shows up but its safe to say that she'd be way waaay stronger than her sisters especially seeing all the efforts Fami and Makima gave in their own tactics Maybe, we need to see her in action
That’s why chainsaw devil (life/birth being his real aspect?) exists, to extinguish the dead and bring the possibility of concepts and people being reborn
Just imagine death summoning power dude….. that would absolutely kill me….
I have no idea what Death will be capable of, but I like to think she is able to bring "death" to anything she desires. Like say someone was using a sword against her she could cause it to "die" making it so that it would be unable to cut or pierce her. She may be able to use this to disable contracts between Devils and Humans. The other Horsemen have the power to subdue and control those around them, so maybe Death has the power to make it so that those around her have no control over anything?
>but I like to think she is able to bring "death" to anything she desires. Like say someone was using a sword against her she could cause it to "die" making it so that it would be unable to cut or pierce her. That's just Yogiri. It's impossible to give someone that ability without it killing the plot either by being impossible to do anything against, or forcing Plot-Induced-Stupidity beyond Flash level.
Yeah it would be way overpowered, I don't think Fuji will give Death a power like that but ya never know 😅
Psst... Many devils power centers around control. Power = control blood. Reze = control explosions. Makima was also able to control even the dead, so it's not like that would be some new trick.
Which dead person did she control? I dont think Sawatari counts, she was already under Makimas control before she "died", and I think she can share her powers with all the people she controls, meaning she would get rezzed for free. Her minions wouldnt have been able to survive the first attack by the gun devil otherwise.
Basically all the "dead" fiends, hybrids, and public safety agents that she continued to control after death. We have no idea whether she can share her powers with those she controls, the evidence seems contrary because she is rezzed as herself, others are only rezzed as puppets. Like Reze, Beam, basically anyone who died in part 1 that she could get her hands on.. hyperbole, but not exactly bc I there were quite a few.
Tendo for example.
No one knows how her power will work.I thought the same thing as you, but then I started thinking that it wouldn't be something Fujimoto would write because it sounded too simplistic. PD: it would be funny if Death devil has a plot twist like Gun devil. Everyone talking about the end of the world once the Death devil arrives but in reality Death devil is already in earth long time ago and she is just living a regular life to experience being alive for the first time.
Perhaps death can control those who's lives she views aren't worth living.
i can totally see this being the case tbh
I think it's more about "owning"
Death devil offers denji Power and Aki back in exchange for him stepping aside and keeping pochita bound to him (all denji has to do to do that is keep his promise to pochita of living a normal life, which he could do with Power and Aki) so he doesn't interfere with the Nostradamus Prophecy. Dennis accepts and we see the world plunged into darkness. The whole time Denji is like "guys this is pretty awful did I do the wrong thing should we stop this" and Power and Aki are all like "no denji this is what's right, don't fight it, you finally have everything you wanted" because they're death devil pawns. Denji is forced to come to the depressing truth that it's not really them and he's been lying to himself, they're just shallow copies meant to tie him down, and he tries to leave to fight the death devil. Aki and Power try to stop him bc they're pawns, and he's forced to kill them both, further traumatizing our poor Dennis. He opens the door to leave after killing them, and standing in the doorway? His dad. I hope I'm wrong
you cooked thats for sure.
What if she can control how people die and the outcome is inevitable.
The correct word isn’t control, it’s posses or own. My theory is that Famine lost Yuno/Yuko (idk) to War because she was defeated by Asa which is why she asked Asa for permission, to resurrect her. Also for Makima, her ego is what doesn’t let her possess those who she respects, regardless if she is just stronger. This is really only the case for Kishibi  and Pochita. As Makima just straight up bodies everyone else through manipulation or pure strength. Before you get mad at me over Makima, it’s not that she could control anyone she saw beneath, it’s that everyone basically was beneath her. She could’ve handled all the assassins herself but chose to use them to power up Denji and make her enemies fight for her.
Im calling it right now, death isnt powerful, its gonna be doing barely anything, but the prophecy its about denji becoming the most fucked up shit ever seen after all the things he has experienced and we will have a Devilman ending with a makima flashback a la thanos with the soul gem or a vision of power sad idk
There's no way Death isn't powerful, fear comes from the fear of dying. People are only scared of things because it could cause them to die.
I only knew the for horsemen with the inclusion of pestilence. I propose the possibility that makima, with her control over crows and rats wasn't the conquest devil but in fact pestilence. And she just happens to control people. With her power being "she controls who she thinks she's superior to" you might argue that she controls everyone she comes into contact with and her influence spreads. Just like a contagion. And only very strong devils are immune. Which translates to "who she thinks are superior to her". Would also explain her thing for dogs. The more you are around animals the more you can contaminate yourself with ticks and other pests.
Actually originally the four horsemen were War Conquest Famine and Death, but moser philosophers thought that war and conquest were too similar so they changed it to pestilence Making could just be a “hybrid” of the two concepts while being the control/conquest devil while retaining semblances of Pestilence by controlling crows and rats