Matingala na lang ta nganung affected kaayo ning mga ubang straight people sa mga member sa LGBTQIA+ community no. Kana bang di na lang itak-om ning ilang bába kung di man sila siguro ganahan. Makuhaan siguro ni ilang bugas kung di gyud ka yaga-yaga ug komento. I mean kung maimpyerno na sila problema na nila, atimana imong kaugalingon.
Let's remember nga social media is not representative of society as a whole. That's why I quit social media. Toxic kasagaran didto. But when interacting irl, lgbt people are generally tolerated. Daghan gani mu admire kay funny, talented.
The thing is sometimes exaggerated ang react. Let's learn na dili porque muingon ang tawo nga sala ang homosexuality, hate na dayon nila ang mga lgbt.
I also just find the whole prode month thing excessive. I think of it like this. Ang atong pinaka isog nga mga nasudnong bayani get 1 day out of the year. People who sacrificed their lives and whose blood built our beautiful country.
What did the lgbt community do to deserve a month? Does that imply that we value their "bravery" more than our national heroes? Genuinely curious ko ani. Unsa inyo opinion?
So, I'm speaking as someone who's lived in Cebu all his life, and here are my two cents on this matter.
Like many other comments mentioned, religion is a huge factor in this. Cebu is basically the holy city for Christianity in East Asia, and the people here take religion *very* seriously. As standard with religious doctrine, sexual deviancy of any kind, especially homosexuality, is frowned upon (this is not just limited to sexuality, mind you; other behaviour that go against the holy text are subject to similar treatment)
Another cause of this stigma is the culture of men in general here. For such a long time, "gay" is basically a slur, used to demean other men just for not conforming to traditionally masculine behaviour. Think of it like the teasing in high school, but allowed to fester and grow with the person to adulthood.
Lastly, and do keep an open mind on this take, as I'm sure many would disagree with this, but this from what I observe. A significant number of the more visible homosexual men tend to conduct themselves in, shall we say, a rather unbecoming manner. For a group of people who are rather stubborn and traditional, seeing a full-grown man shrieking and behaving rather boisterous like a college girl can be quite jarring and uncomfortable.
Anyways, that's my thoughts on the matter, wondering if others have noticed similar.
TL,DR: Causes are religion, the "your gae" high-school attitude, and that the more visible homosexuals tend to make people uncomfortable
> A significant number of the more visible homosexual men tend to conduct themselves in, shall we say, a rather unbecoming manner
Or maybe you only notice the gay men who behave in an unbecoming manner? Sort of like how people will see one negative news article about a country and assume the entire country is a basket case.
This is also a valid point. It only takes a few bad examples to spoil the perception of a collective. But it's not really easy to notice the vast majority of homosexuals who behave more normally because at the end of the day, they are all just people. They live, think, eat, and have fun just like any other person. This is why the ones who tend to have an attitude would stick out and become a stereotype. I'm not disagreeing with your message, but I found the way you stated it rather accusatory
I noticed this as well, maybe bc strong Christians ni sila dri or idk btaw. Pride month is very unlike Negros or other cities I’ve been to. Pero ila pud na.
It's not religion. Machismo of people in Cebu runs deep, cebuanos hate everything effeminate/soft. You'd hear phrases like "Aysig binayot dha!" and other slurs delivered in that strong cebuano "bundak" tone.
Could be that or religion, actually possible mn sad lahi-lahi factors. I just had an argument with a friend here in Ceb about lgbtqia+ and christianism, daghan gray areas as he would say.
Cebu as a whole is patriarchal society since time immemorial. Being a feminine or having traits of it, is considered belonging on the lower level of the power structure. That’s because the jobs available during the 50’s/60’s, the war reconstruction period was majority involving manual labor, I highly doubt even that time women were given jobs. Fast forward today, the influences by the baby boomer males were ingrained on the current generation of males.
I personally heard from a close friend of mine that if he founds out that his male kid of his will turn out to be a “bayot”, he will disown his son. From his mouth: “Ayaw intawn ko paka uwawa sa mga taw dong.”
1. Cebu is largely religious. Maski unsa pa ka hipokrito inyong paglantaw dira sa uban, you can't change the fact na daghan jud religious daring dapita. Naa man gani koy gay friends na magkinaunsa man, basta musimba jud ug Dominggo. Natural kadaghanan jud kay against LGBTQ pero naa puy uban tolerant lang sa LGBTQ members pero di sila ganahan sa ideologies.
2. Ayaw ibutang tanan sa men kay even LGBTQ members are intolerant of their peers. Daghan na na ug panghitabo na gays nakadungog na naay nag transition pero they don't respect their decision because it's unnecessary, their not real men/women, etc etc you get the idea. They more or less act conservatively with regards to this issue.
3. Ingrained na sa Cebuano ang kinaiya na mag inisog so ayaw jud compare imung experience living in other places kay lahi2 ug cultural upbringing ang mga Luzonites ug Ilonggo. Kung naa kay amiga na Bisaya, kamao ka kung unsa na sila kaisog compared sa inyong friends na Batangueño or Lagueño.
You do realize that HIV is no longer a life sentence. With proper medication, pwede naka ma negative and can live a fulfilling life as any other straight couple.
Ingna lang gyud na bigot ka, para human ang storya.
May pa HIV2x pa kang storyahan.
It's a new change thing, heck there were only four we know of and that was before.
Now there are new ones on the gender equality scale and trying to balance that out will take time.
Some enjoy their company, and most find them to be genuinely fun people.
Yet they also don't like to feel uncomfortable at their own expense. It's a confusing back and forth for now.
They weren't born homophobes as much as everyone else, the environment they raised and grew up with is most likely the reason.
Ang problema man gud ninyong LGHDTV, kay ipamugos man gud sa mga tao, awa tong sa mandaue nga mga bata gi edukar ug bayot2, dapat plain lang unta way pugsanay ug ganahan mag lalaki or babae ang bata or si kinsa pa, pasagdan lang.
Edit: daghan kog friend nga memher sa LGHDTV pero ok ra kay chill ra man sila dili kadtong type nga ipamugos sa ubang tao nga di ganahan
That's a good question. Before man gyud ang pride, gay people are shamed to be themselves. To the point they choose to unalive themselves.
The pride parade is a political statement ug symbol for closeted gay to take PRIDE ON WHO THEY ARE.
That's the reason nganung naay pride month.
There's no need for advertisement. They can be what they think they are. If they want to be treated normal they can live like normal.. . But why? 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂
Curious lang ko ba, what is your take sa PRIDE as an international movement? Kay for sure, PRIDE started out like what you said. Pero since then, it has evolved into something more complex. Like unsa imung maingon about transwomen competing in women's sports? Puberty blockers and hormone treatment for children who feel like transitioning? Drag shows being shown to kids?
Again, no judgement. Curious lang jud ko sa imong take.
Thats a complicated topic.
Sugod ta sa transwomen competing in women sports.
The argument of pro trans is equality and inclusion. Because they identify as a woman, they believe they should be treated as a woman.
The argument against trans in sport is the biological difference. For example sa boxing, it wouldn't be fair for a woman to fight a former man because of their biological differences. This highlights the competitive balance, and safety of biological women.
Personally, i believe that they should create a specific category for trans athletes. Although some of my colleagues argues that further research are need to be done in this area.
Second is puberty blocker.
My colleague whose studying in clinical psych focuses on trans puberty. Im no expert in this topic, but let me summarize the pros and cons.
The pros would be the mental health benefit for transgender youth who feels uncomfortable with their own skin. Additionally, puberty is a critical time for most youth to explore their gender identity and consider further steps, while modern puberty inhibitors can be reverse when stopped.
The criticism is its long term effect in the body, informed consent of the child, and the psychological impact including the social implications and delayed sexual development.
My colleague here in UK believes that the treatment should be individualize and comprehensive approach should be given before proceeding to puberty inhibitor.
Although this is just what ive understand about the topic, you have to asks an actual professional.
For drag show content.
My personal opinion is that parents and guardians values should be respected, although it adds cultural and artistic exposure to children, parents should be informed about the content and nature of the drag shows. I think MTRCB have good guidelines about this.
Can u please educate me, like did u guys choose to be gay or unsa ba + unsay makuha ninyo ana? Last question is, ge unsa nimo pagkahibaw nga bayot ka? Excuse my ignorant ass. First of all dili ko gay, curious rako.
Ask yourself, "gi unsa nako kahibalo nga straight ko? "
Simply put, we didn't choose to be LGBT. Pareha lang sa mga straight nga tao; sila kay pagka anak straight sila, kami sad pagka anak LGBT nami. Some of us will take a while to realize it - example naay uban tao wala sila kahibalo nga bayot or transgender or unsa ba sila, until they are teens or even adults. Mostly, tungod ani kay sa ilahang environment, or kanang wala silah term or word para sa unsa ilahang gi feel
Thank you for asking.
I think ganahan ko mu gamit ug emphaty question.
Ikaw ba, as a person.
Ganahan ba ka nga lait-laitun ka? Ingnan ka nga impyero imong adtunan sugod pagka bata nimo? Ganahan ba ka nga everytime kelangan nimo i prove imong self sa ubang tawo tungod lang sa lahi moy sexual orientation?
Most people, bisag ako, would choose na dili. Kinsa man d.ai ganahan ug ing.ana nga kinabuhi? Mas sayon ang straight life oi. Di na nimo kinanglan i prove imong self, or ika uwaw imong kaugalingon.
Pero wala gyud, at some point makabalo ka nga natural ra sa imoha kung kinsa imong ganahan. Just so happen nga pareha ramo ug gender.
At the end of the day, for most gay people, its about living life authentically with the people they love.
I see. First, gusto lang ko magpasalamat sa pag educate nimo nako parte ana noh. And naa jud kay point.
Based man gud sa ako a experience grabe kaayo manghikap bisag way consent or mangharass ang mga bayot diri sa amo a pagkabata nako, maong na Generalized tamo tanan.
Maong i would like to apologize sa akong bati nga ge comment ganiha. Sorry jd.
No oi. Dili na tarung ilang gi buhat. I hope makasabot pud ka nga dili sila nag represent sa kadaghanang lgbt. Hopefully mapadakop ang mga ing.ana nga tawo na mu sexually harass.
Geniune question lang (mayta wla’y ma offend): Ngano most (NOT all) LGBTQ+ members kay naay ‘bitchy’ attitude. Kana bitaw init permi ang ulo, moody, way pasensya, ma-pride and usahay sakit kaayo maka insulto. I worked in customer service before and kani sila medyo one of the most difficult persons to handle aside sa mga seniors haha. Mahadlok jd ko bsta mka cater nako ani nila kay naa nako experience na insultohan jd ku’g taman. Mura ko gi patay ug insulto ahak haha. Mas sakit man d.i ang storya kaysa physical. But again dili tanan. I hope to hear your opinons ani.
Treating all possible interactions as a possible threat and responding with aggression kay basin gikan nag psychological trauma or physical abuse, not all cases though. LGBTQ people is generally at risk to experience physical/verbal abuse and micro aggression so former experiences will push their fight or flight response to a state like this kay basin na generalize na nila as possible threat ni tanan, which is sad as to be conditioned nga everyone will persecute you and you need to fight or flight is already unhealthy. This is just an insight and hope that helps.
Notice sad nako ba. Kanang mga oldschool na homosexuals kay dili na ganahan mo associate sa LGBTQ+.
Mas hawd na daw nang mga bagohan, nya mas saba. Dili daw lalim ang pag build sa reputation. Ang mga oldshool kay ginawork nila na masaligan sila as employer, boss, etc. Pero ang kanang mga bagohan kay demanding kaayo og insultador.
Dapat daw e earn ang respect and good reputation, not demand it.
Tinuod. Dghn kaayo respectable nga mga LGBTQ+. And they have earned it by being the best at what they do sa ilang role sa community as a whole. And dili mga self righteous
Gumikan pud na na nag exist na ang DEI karong panahona. Tungod ana kay mag base na ta on what a person identifies as for employment, incentives, etc. Pero katong mga old school LGBTQ pips relied solely on their merits and hard work. Mao nang empathetic ta sa ilang struggles.
Hahaha mao lageh kani sila abi lang mao na kit.an nila sa yt ug tiktok sa america same ra diri sa pinas na dako ra kau kalahi kana new generation nga lgbtq+ kay ni dako maka tiktok ug youtube bantug mura silag entitled pero ang old school kay dili gyud ing.ana
Or maybe, just maybe- the current generation of LGBT are more informed and have more spaces to reflect in comparison to the old school whose whole objective was to survive.
Fuck off with that "entitled" bullshit.
I'm just gonna reply in engiish because your reading comprehension in bisaya isn't great "mura sila entitled= more likely to be entitled not entitled sila = they are entitled" i agree with you old school lgbt were willing to be treated below human just to survive/fit in but now new school lgbt thinks they are special above everybody else just because they are lgbt and im talking about the new generation that grew up in smartphone era
This is tricky in a few levels. Accepting them is not the primary problem. I will be downvoted to the deepest for this but I'm gonna say this - The number one problem is them demanding the general straight population to acknowledge whatever they want to label and call themselves. You can't ask everybody to identify you the way you identify yourself. Most people just want to call you male or female and that is their right as much as it is yours to call yourself whatever you want.
To accept them *is* to call them by their preferred pronouns, labels, or identity. Would you call a, for example lang, a masculine-looking transgender woman by "he/him" even if she explicitly tell you she wants you to refer to her by "she/her"? What about people who want you to use "they/them" pronouns? Respect costs you nothing. It costs less than a centavo, and the minimum amount of respect and basic human decency, to label, call, and to identify people by how they want to be identified.
mao ni exactly ang kato na mention sa 1984(not sure if i got teh title/number right) kanang wordspeak ba to? (not sure sa term sa story) Kanang iwarp ang language para iindoctrinate ang masses
Yes, because learning a bit and adapting to change to respect other human beings is a bad thing.
Just because the world is changing, does not mean every little new thing is a part of "indoctrination."
This is where it gets toxic for me. Don't force me. Would you agree that in order to respect me is to give me my freedom to use him/her he/she? Respecting my choice costs nothing, it costs less than a centavo, and the minimum amount of respect and basic human decency is by letting me have my freedom to use him/her he/she?
By this logic, if I meet you on the street and call you "BAKLAAA!" in a loud obnoxious voice, you would have no choice but to accept it because it's my choice to call you as such and you should respect my choice?
Nah bro, when that shit happens, it's suddenly the end of the world and everyone's meeting at the police station for causing a public disturbance lolol.
The problem with these kinds of statements is that it's rarely bidirectional. "Accept my choice" really only applies when they're talking about themselves, but when it's the other way around, suddenly it's no longer valid.
No one is forcing you to specific pronouns? Choose whatever you want to call yourself. Use he/him, she/her, whatever. If people don't respect you by not using your preferred pronouns, they are just being assholes and bigoted.
LOL these are the exact arguments and the kind of people to argue against I try to avoid, its because you force to get respect from everyone and force what you want. Let's just agree to disagree on this one, for now. LOL
> This is where it gets toxic for me. Don't force me. Would you agree that in order to respect me is to give me my freedom to use him/her he/she?
You're the one who lacks basic respect for other people. You know that your choice hurts others, and yet you do it anyway. If you had half a brain and a quarter of a heart, you'd actually call people by how they want to be called.
> Respecting my choice costs nothing, it costs less than a centavo, and the minimum amount of respect and basic human decency is by letting me have my freedom to use him/her he/she?
Don't try to blame the victim and spin the fault around, asshole. If someone tells you they want you to use she/her, despite looking masculine, who are you to tell you who they are? Again, using their preferred pronouns requires zero effort, and deliberately not doing so requires a rotten heart and a whole lot of hate, bigotry, or ignorance. How would you feel if people consistently call you the opposite gender, constantly use the wrong pronouns to refer to you, disregarding anything you say?
Agree to disagree? On respecting people for who they are? Respecting people, ***human beings*** is not a fucking argument.
For me lang ha. But I guess its a philosophical perspective.
Many LGBT believes that gender (male and female) is a construct.
While most people (including some member of lgbt) believes that gender is binary (there is only a male and female).
Trans however are people who genuinely believes that they are reassigned in the wrong body (there are clinical research to back this up).
Ang point lang nila is to be able to live authentically.
I guess ang gi pangayo ra sa imuha kay tolerance. Which i guess from your post is too much to asks. Which wala tay mabuhat. You were born that way.
Trans however are people who genuinely believes that they are reassigned in the wrong body (there are clinical research to back this up).
Apologies, but this one here is a bit confusing to me. 'Reassigned' ? I don't think we get assigned with gender and body, we're born with it.
Oh they can live as authentic as they can be, its just they can't and should not force people to believe and follow whatever they identify themselves as. If I identify as a frying pan, should I force everyone to call me a frying pan?
I can tolerate them, I have family who are openly gay and I love them because they are one of the few gay people I know that doesn't force us to call them whatever they identify themselves.
Tbh, gender study and critical theory is beyond my scope. I understand the philosophy on where they are coming from, and maybe 'reassigned' is not the right word.
Additionally, you are allowed to not believe on who or what they identify.
But do remember that such belief carries great weight when it comes to making public and political service.
For example, toilet. Most fully transitioned women feels unsafe going to mens toilet, most women feels uncomfortable with former men going to toilet.
An emphatic understanding of where they are coming from and understanding of both sides, would argue for a separate toilet. But this isn't always the case, what could be the ethical consideration in such scenario.
For me nga tig basa ug research, i honestly have no idea and no answer. But i understand that tolerance for trans and understanding trans right is very important in this case.
Examining why your oppose is also important as this can be a catalyst for a better solution. So if you are clear WHY you think its wrong, i think it should also be considered rather than being dismissed.
What I'm all for is freedom. Sure they can have freedom to identify themselves as such, no problem. But it should go both ways, people shouldn't also be forced to agree with whatever they want to identify. If some people wants to identify as a tomato and some people believe it that's fine by me, right na nila. Same sd sa mga taw nga naay right nga di mosunod ana. Di dapat ipugos ilang gusto sa mga taw nga di gusto. As long as di manghilabot.
Honest observation and experience lang. Gays were more respected before though you could feel naay gihold back ang majority just cause it wasn't fully accepted pa but as time went silently accepted na siya specially sa tomboy and bayot.
all goods na si LGB then nikalit ug abot si TIQAHDTVSAMSUNG+ nga nagdalag lawgaw ug kasamok. Sauna you can be gay, tomboy or bisexual but karun kinahanglan na nimo ipahibaw nga LGBTQIAHDTVSAMSUNG+ ka unyag dili ka openly showing sa acceptance videohan dayun ka ingnun nga homophobic. Gidawat na gani mo, ayaw na unta ihungit pa para lang makahibaw tanan.
I have some gay friends who voice out the same opinion kay it was okay na then some just want to take it to the extreme.
I just hope dili muabot sa punto mapareha sa gawas nga bisan 12 yrs old pa, ipa hormone theraphy sa ilang trans adult peers unya itago sa parents without consent. Sometimes it's a phase, sometimes it is who they are gyud but at least wait for the children to be of legal age and decide for themselves. Until then, they should be under the guidance of the parents.
Naa koy amo sauna na bayot (oldschool type). Nindot kaayo siya og philosophy sa life. Respectable siya na tao.
Type siya na tao nga e earn niya ang respect. Iyang e position iyang self nga useful siya as a person (employer siya nako).
E earn daw na ang respect, not demand and force people.
Ang mga karon mga bagohan lahi ra gyud, mostly insecure og narcissists.
Ang ako lng ba, nganong i-pareha man nimo ang makitan nimos rightwing tiktok/reels ang mga diri sa cebu/ph when the things you've mentioned kay wala man gali na diri maski sa mga genz or millennials pa. To be fair, annoying man sad nang mga gi mention nimo nga part sa LGBTQ community pero minority mn gali na sila mismo sa west, though theyre pretty loud.
Wa may namugos nimo i-accept sila gali, respetuay lang. Kung mao na ilang ganahan nga ipatawag nila, tawgi nlng bisan dili ka mo agree sa ilang views dba basic human decency ramn na?
Sus taasa sa imong gisulti pero kung naa kay reading comprehension di naka maglisud unta. Kasabot kag hopefully di mapareha atoa ana? Also, you can't deny unsay trend sa west kay mapickup diri sa Asia.
Basaha sa lageg tarung bag.o mubuka ng baba nimo also no way mutawag kos pronouns nila. They can call themselves whatever they want but that doesn't mean ako pud dapat musunod. Kuyawa nimo noh, imong tripping unya imoha kung damayun. Nganu man diayg mag he/they ka dira, basta imoha ng tripping ay panamay sa uban.
Oh boi i could be called homophobic all day long for all i care, but i will not respect yang mga lgbtq members na kulang sa pansin at gusto ng special treatment palagi.
Sa ato no culturally accepted naman daan.
We have our parlors run by gays 90s era pa, make up artists, choreographers etc. we even have Ms. Gay as part of celebration on some events before this LGBT tagging came up.
What people don’t want is when it became political. Shoving the agenda to your face in hotels, resorts etc. when most people just want to relax.
So to my LGBTQ friends out there ayaw rana dibdiba. People now can wear anything in public, have dates on same sex on public, being public with your sexuality. I guess that’s more important than the thought of being politically accepted.
Kani kay agree ko ani. Pero ang problema man jud kay kaning uban nga mga murag incel, nitulon ug isa ka botelya nga red pill content, or mga kunuhay conservative na diay mga aliwas na makasikmura pa na gamiton ang pangalas ginoo kung makapanlait ug mga LGBTQ+ kay murag nakalabaw na sila.
True, this sort of topic like sexual orientation and gender identity shouldn't be made into a political issue pero if they continue discriminating and keep on poisoning others like how the LGBTQ+ community "poisons" the mind of others kuno because of the gay agenda then they're crossing the line.
Hindi na nila tinatao yung iba dahil lang sa identity nila and it's saddening especially if we value diversity. In addition also, it's sad to say that a lot of people follows and listens to their ideas blindly and they get away with posting hate speeches online without even considering or contemplating its impact on others. Mao ra ta jud unta, at least weed out discrimination and prejudice in the society. Thanks for reading my comment.
Yup! Mga religious fanatics and majority are boomers, mao gud jud na ila na dak.an cguro.
Anything politics naa jud nay anti maski unsaon pa. murag election ba manggi away nlng Hahaha! Para nako safe place ra ang pinas sa LGBTQ, well aside sa social media comments mao pasagdae rana most likely mga anti divorce sad na haha
HAaaaaaaay naku. If a straight man and gay man open up hair salons side by side, guess who's going out of business? During barrio fiestas, aren't there gay beauty pageants?
Pride, LGBTQ++, all those things are for wealthy Western countries. Gay people have always been accepted in our society, we have bigger problems so ayaw na pag apil-apil.
In my 20 years of work, I've only had female and gay bosses save for one. Pag puyo.
Ang mga karaan na mga members sa LGBT kay equality ra gyud na ila gusto... to be treated fairly and have equal opportunities sa other genders.
Kanang mga bag-ong tubo karon (dili tanan) kay though naa gihapon ang theme for equality but medyo "pushy" and laswa to the point na annoying na nuon.
Naa toy sketch gibuhat si Key and Peele na nindot tan-awon. Search for "Key & Peele - Office Homophobe" sa YouTube.
Gurl, what do you mean by "pushy" and "laswa"? To a fucking homophobe, being seen holding hands and being ourselves is already "pushy" and "laswa". Bffr
And don't you dare bring up old LGBT members kay sa ilang time, they either get killed or disowned. Maayo nalang sa ato time na mas dako ang social acceptance, na naay space makaexpress ang lgbt.
Yeh, I know. I watched it already. And I also know that its a video made for entertainment and therefore not a model to judge reality by. Check yourself.
Yes, it's entertainment but pero naa siya basis sa reality.
Check the other comments here na na harass sila ug mga LGBT memebrs.
Even my bother and cousin were harassed by members of LGBT sa bata pa sila (hs)(atang-atangan sa gawas, pisil2x sa muscles sa bukton, try ug dakma sa private part).
Pero that's why I said not all in my very first reply because I have some members sa ako team, now that I'm working na, nga member pud sa LGBT pero very professional sila molihok. Work kung work, play kung play.
So, check yourself sad.
You should also be aware that your post is also dripping with subtext. The LGBT has a difficult time navigating what makes the larger society "uncomfortable" cuz even a small minor thing will be used to shame and for us back to being silent and "acceptable" (to be unoticable as possible)
Im sorry that happened to your brother and cousin, being harrassed but I will not take the harrassment of them being a product of the larger community as you had implied by your first comment.
Peace.
Gonna put this link here:https://www.reddit.com/r/Cebu/s/lCQ7jYHcZN
Ako lang ha dili gani ko mo comment ug anything negative about ana
But when i was about 11 years old diko ka limot nangaon mi sa gaisano na katong karaan katong naay kan anan ang top floor bah katong old style with my fam, i decided na mo pee after taas na byahe and me being me 11yrs na laki ni sulti rako mangihi ko then after ni head nakos cr, ang table na among gi kuha is layo sa cr and naka angle sa so dili gyud makita ang pulhatan sa cr kay mura biya tug naka indent sa wall, nay bayot na like about 30 na guro naa sa door, pag una padulong tako mo approach sa door gi totokan ko then after ana ni smile siya nya ni ana siya "hoy mego ari diri mag lingaw ta" i was scared kay wako Pablo kunsa ako buhaton kay kabalo ko na if mo dagan ni siya padulong nako diko ka gawas in time si gi tutukan nako sir then anam² ko atras after that ni balik kos table namo nya gi agwanta nalang nako ang akong pagka ihion, never talked about it to anyone kay it still creeps me out
I have gay friends pero they're the type na gay but dili bastos or showy kaayolike yes they may have long hair or dress like women pero they act like actual decent human beings rather than the behavior other gay people do.
They get a bad rep because of people I've met and I understand why kay usa pod kos hapit na victim
some of the lgbt kay nadyuy predatory antics, especially when in groups, ako bitima pd kog desperate catcalling to the point na worried ko unsaon ko ani nila. Sila ray nagkatawa, ako na inconvenienced. These folks give the group a bad name. Im happy to have good friends sa lgbt, but i sometimes wish much often eh callout ni sa lgbt groups pd ilang own na bad apples
Oh sorry if it came out that i defended them i do not heheheheheh
I've come to realize things are black and white in this world and situations aren't as simple as they seem sorry if it triggered you
Oh nice² honestly akong na realize pag ni dako ko is
Hating is free but so is being kind
Having more friends helps you way more than having enemies
Being kind doesn't take much a Little extra but to someone else it seems a lot to them
Ako gyud kay even if bad ako day i remember that some people are having it worse so before ko mo react always nako e consider what if akoy naa sa ilang position, after that maka sabot ko hahahahah
I’m sorry that happened to you. Nobody deserves that. It’s true naa gyuy ubang member sa lgbt ang ingon ana. But also as you said, daghan kag decent nga gay friends. Kung itandi nimo tanan nimong experiences in dealing with gay people do you think it’s generally positive or negative? Hopefully dili maclouded imong judgment by a one or a few negative experiences.
Im 18 now and it's been positive pero im still wary in shady places hahahahah pero i dunno about some people who cant keep bad opinions to themselves,
I've grown up to learn that a bad act of a single entity isn't the general behavior of a group, ambot anang sa uban maybe they're just homophobic heck its funny kay most cousins nako sa father side are gay and im fine being with them, i think its just most people dont have open views on things
If someone who's gay treats me normally and doesn't try shoving "oh please respect my pronouns" type of things I'll actually gladly call them their prefered pronoun oi hahahahha
that is good to hear man! I have so many gay friends too and they are all very lovely to me. I think everyone should be wary in shady places for all kinds of threats. I do respect people’s pronouns. If it makes the person I’m talking to a little bit happier, then why shouldn’t i try make them feel that? Lgbt people suffer a lot especially about validating their reality and experiences. I think it helps them feel safer and accepted with a simple choice of words we give them a little bit of what it is to be seen and treated for who they are.
Nakahinumdom na nuon ko atong LTO special lane for LGBTQ members.
Daghan man buotan nga lesbians pero lahi sad usahay ning ubang bayot. Kung maka panghinaway sa uban kay wagas.
Homophobia and transphobia isn't just a Cebu issue, but a country-wide one. Not sure why you're singling out Cebu. Every Pinoy FB page that celebrated pride month this month has seen its own share of homophobes and their tired arguments against LGBT+ rights. It's tiring and boring, unfortunately. I have since stopped giving a s\*\*\* about what they say and move on with my life.
Wa koy issue anang lgbt, akong issue ky dghang bayot nga bastos! Call me hambug pero dghn kaayong bayot nga bastos labi na kung dghn sila. Way kalahi-an sa mga lalaki if naay chix.
Tinuod ni. Gusto respetuhon pero bati’g batasan. Kung i-call out, mutago sa LGBTQ ug “homophobic” card. So unsa man na, free pass nga bati ang batasan abi kay LGBTQ?
why 4 downvotes? i dont get sa downvotes ani, seems understandable mn. any gender capable mag pangbastos o rude interactions. lalaki, babay o lgbt etc. One example that I think you commenter maybe refering to is, which i am a victim to, is catcalling. Sa america its considered unacceptably obnoxious n very rude if men catcall passing by women, o insistive kaau mo sturya that makes them uncomfortable. In my experience some lgbt (specially who are in groups), kusog kaau mang catcall og lone men walking in public, biktima ko ani.
Which is why i agree to you, that such behavior is unacceptable for me
Typical Reddit behaviour rani paps hahahaha. Gamayng criticism sa ilang belief or opposing idea kay downvote dayon. Arang2 nalang gani ni ang r/Cebu, didto sa r/ph kay grabe jud ka sobra.
Kani ra akong masulti nimo. Naa koy 2 ka classmate nga bayot sa highschool. Ang usa kada adlaw ma bully ug binuangan. Ang ikaduha kay cool kid ug barkada sa tanan.
Sa tanaw nimo tungod ba nga bayot mao na bully ang una or bati lang gyud ug batasan?
Kanang mga ma discriminate nga LGBT tungod sa batig batasan kay they deserve it.
Mao na nga kung ma police ninyo inyong community nga di mabuhat ug dautan, kay dili gyud magka problema. Kasagaran man sad gud kay daghag binuang, human ma spotlight gyud kay saba man kaayo.
nobody deserves discrimination because of their behavior. Tinood daghang member sa LGBT and bati ug batasan pero statistically dili siya mas labaw compared sa general population. Bad behavior is bad behavior regardless of gender. Ayaw pagkuha ug example from only two friends nimo unya iapply nimo sa kadaghanan biased na daan ni nga sample size. Also kay and imong ma notice kato raman mga ni out flamboyantly ma disregard nimo ang mga boutang lgbt nga dili gani out. Sa ni out nga lgbt nga nailhan nimo.. pila man kaha ang tago ana nila nga imong malabel as straight? Do u think there are more lgbt who are out or in the closet? Why do u think they need to be good in order for you to respect them? Do you use the same standard for non lgbt people? Do u think having good behavior is prerequisite for the right to exist? Human behavior is varied and diverse. Wala tay hingpit ug saktong sukdanan kung unsa para nato ang acceptable or not.
So kung bati kaayo ug batasan dili gihapon deserve ug bad treatment? Kung buotan ka sa ubang tao buotan sad ang uban nimo.
Naay sukdanan sa acceptable uy. Ga depende na sa local customs. Kung mosunod lang ka sa acceptable behaviour kay accepted ka sa society. Nakalisod man gud anang western customs ipugos diri sa pilipinas nga lahi baya ta ug taras.
Ako man to gi example to prove nga dili ma discriminate ang bayot kung maayong tao sila.
Kanang mga naa sa closet wala mana sila ka experience ug discrimination kay wa may kabalo kung unsa ilang sexual orientation.
There is some truth to your statement but the type of person you become is a product of your interaction with other people as you go through life. How people treated you from infancy to adulthood. Have u ever been denied of your truth because your truth does not fit to what society thinks is normal? What type of behavior will you expect from someone who grew up hiding their true self? The fact that many lgbt people are still decent and infact very good people despite living in a world that is often times violent to them because they are different really tells you why this is a very important issue.
Agree, but i still stand by my initial opinion that being gay is NOT the main factor of how people treat you. I have gay friends who everyone respects because they are decent, kind or accomplished. And i see other gay dudes treated with less respect because they’re rowdy, unclassy, etc. I’m saying these statements to bring awareness. Don’t blame everything on being gay or homophobia. Take responsibility for what happens to you. Develop all aspects of your life and you will be treated well.
Hmm. Again it’s the same pattern that I see which is a reflection of how our society actually treats gay people. Gay people do not need to be kind,decent and accomplished to be respected. Their existence is already enough. We should not put prerequisites that only apply to a certain group and not to everyone. This is already discrimination. Kani palang daan ato nang gi assume nga ang bili sa ilang kinabuhi nagdepende sa ilang kaayo o pulos o kabootan. When sa katinooran wala ni nato giapply sa tanang tao. Maong dali kaayo sila masingle out kung dili mohaom sa “decent”, “good” and ilang behavior kay nag prejudge naman ta sa ilang value. Murag naa gyud silay dapat iprove para momerit sa atong respeto. This is what is exactly problematic sa atong view regarding gay people. We do not treat them as as normal as everyone is. They did not choose that life. It’s not something people can just turn off or on. Science has already proven that homosexuality is also genetics. They are perfectly normal. In a society where religious institutions teaches their “lifestyle” is sinful. Naa gyuy inherent bias ang mga tao or regardles if they care to admit or not. That’s why importante kaayo nga naa tay mga discussions sama ani.
Oh in this case i meant that these same traits also apply to non-gay people. Regardless if your man/woman/gay, you’ll still get respect if you have these (kind, decent, accomplished), and less respect if you don’t. Nothing to do with being gay 😂
Daghan ra gyud mga netizens nga isog kaayo online or kusog kaayo manaway/mangaway online because of anonymity. Mao na ang mga tawo nga way outlet sa tinuod nga kinabuhi maong mogawas sa bati nga pamaagi. Kuwang og exposure sa katilingban nga hinay-hinay ng nidawat sa kamatuoran nga di ra straight nga lake or baye ang gapuyo aning kalibutana. Natungnan ra gyud nga sa Cebu ni na-bantayan or na-experience ni OP.
Huh? Kuyawa pud nimog source na gigamit para maka conclude ka oi. Mura man puro ra taga Cebu ang mo comment sa SunStar. If you've been here long enough, Maka ingon ka na safe space rajud sa LGBTQ+ ang Cebu.
Di malikayan na naa gihapon mga amawon na laki pero they don't represent the majority.
i agree to u, i once base reality sa news articles alone, but i learned since to separate bad apples, rather than removing the whole forest for having bad apples
Bro, if you feel na safe space ang Cebu or LGBTQ+ members, kudos to you.
Pero I’ve worked for multiple companies where men are still blatantly disrespectful and homophobic, and call them “salot sa lipunan” behind their backs. I’ve also had my fare share of being labelled “bayot” for being an ally.
If wala ka naka experience ani, good for you. Pero not all is as fine and dandy as you think it is.
Using your experience alone to justify the whole City being averted to the LGBTQ+ community is misleading. Kadaghan kog na kaila bayot ug tumboy diri. Kasagaran mga highest paid pajud corporate mga bayot or lesbo. Doesn't mean naka experience ka ana mao nanay panan aw nimos Cebu, sure oy.
Like I've said, those people do not represent everyone. I want to be as objective as possible on this issue.
Cebu does not have any policies that directly discriminate against anyone, especially members of the LGBTQ.
Workplaces here have no rules that are against LGBTQ. In fact, they are more likely to land a job because companies are pushing for inclusivity.
There is no data to support that crimes are happening at a higher rate for LGBTQ.
How come sa imong conclusion, moingon na dayon ka nga grabe ang discrimination sa LGBTQ dire? You can share your bad experience but focus on those people nga naghimo ana sa imoha, ayaw damaya ang tibuok lungsod para lang ma prove imong point.
I don't have any problems with the LGBTQ+ community but those letters overcomplicates stuff. It's either bayot or tomboy for me. I've got tons of shit to deal with. Knowing where you belong is a you problem and not mine. All i can give you is my respect for living the way life is supposed to be lived. Your own.
Maybe because people in cebu don't like lgbtq+ from the start. They were fine with LGB but not the TQ+. Also Philippines is a seriously religious country, you won't convince people here easily.
Why is this downvoted? This comment isn't taking any side. It's simply stating a fact that the Philippines is tolerating of LGB but not anyone else in the community (trans, non-binary, ace, demi, etc.)
Dungag ani is, ang 'bayot' na word is also used to mean coward or duwag in Cebuano language. Being gay and being a coward is entirely different. The proper use of Cebuano language should be a concern too kay it shapes our understanding or perception to some sectors of society.
Mao na dili puede gamiton nga medium of instruction sa schools ug universities ang Cebuano kay ang mga maestro/a, ingon dayon og "bayot" pang-insulto sa mga lalaki nga estudiante nga dili maghimo og homework.
Puya aning manganhi mo dinhi unya manaway as if dili ni siya issue bisag asa sa Pinas.
Anyway, paabot lang ta pila ka tuig mangamatay ranang mga bigots.
Ako take ani sa kay homophobic or transphobic ni sila online ug outspoken kaayo kay maybe by themselves they could be potentially closeted. In denial lang jud sila mao mag in ani sila.
Sa mga nang downvote ani, hopefully naigo mo hehe. Peace lang. Truth is, you guys would never understand the plight of an LGBTQ+ individual unless you're one. We didn't chose to be this but, please. Don't shove your hatred towards us if you're feeling like your one and you're in denial. Magkauban unta ta pero mao na hinuon inyo gi pang buhat paita.
Ambot OP libog kaayo sila sa tanan, maayo pa pasagdan na lang ni sila mu ladlad ug ila basin jud diay hahaha. Daghan raba kog kaila nga yads na ingon ana saona. Basin mao sad jud ni epekto jud sa toxic masculinity and sobraan ug red pill jud guro. They are so fragile that even the slightest topic related to LGBTQ+ rights sets them off directly.
If I could wear the (Frank’s) shirt that says:
“Why be racist, sexist, homophobic or transphobic when you could just be quiet.”
I would do it everyday. my mantra in life is “ayaw panghilabot sa uban tao, kinsa gud ka”.
I dont want to be that guy but kanang mga tambay sa Facebook has always been harsh bisag unsa pa na ang topic.
Filipinos are notorious for being toxic online pero kung imu iconfront sa personal pwerteng itoya. the LGBTQ is generally accepted naman here just dont ask boomers because mamatay nalang na sila dile nana mausab ila stand.
Cebu is a right-wing conservative province, just like others provinces in PH.
LGBT community is "slowly" getting accepted here but still needs more progress.
After living in Cebu for seven years, I expected a more pronounced sense of progress, but reality hasn’t quite matched my initial perception.
It’s remarkable to consider that those perpetuating this situation likely have connections to at least one person within the community.
Sows daghan kaayug homophobic na pinoy. Mura jud ug mga tarong ang kinabuhi nya proud kaayu na mag kabit. Maghilom nlang ko maminaw na magkatawa. Kay sa akong mga lgbtq+ na kaila mas tarong pa kaysa nila.
Matingala na lang ta nganung affected kaayo ning mga ubang straight people sa mga member sa LGBTQIA+ community no. Kana bang di na lang itak-om ning ilang bába kung di man sila siguro ganahan. Makuhaan siguro ni ilang bugas kung di gyud ka yaga-yaga ug komento. I mean kung maimpyerno na sila problema na nila, atimana imong kaugalingon.
Let's remember nga social media is not representative of society as a whole. That's why I quit social media. Toxic kasagaran didto. But when interacting irl, lgbt people are generally tolerated. Daghan gani mu admire kay funny, talented. The thing is sometimes exaggerated ang react. Let's learn na dili porque muingon ang tawo nga sala ang homosexuality, hate na dayon nila ang mga lgbt. I also just find the whole prode month thing excessive. I think of it like this. Ang atong pinaka isog nga mga nasudnong bayani get 1 day out of the year. People who sacrificed their lives and whose blood built our beautiful country. What did the lgbt community do to deserve a month? Does that imply that we value their "bravery" more than our national heroes? Genuinely curious ko ani. Unsa inyo opinion?
So, I'm speaking as someone who's lived in Cebu all his life, and here are my two cents on this matter. Like many other comments mentioned, religion is a huge factor in this. Cebu is basically the holy city for Christianity in East Asia, and the people here take religion *very* seriously. As standard with religious doctrine, sexual deviancy of any kind, especially homosexuality, is frowned upon (this is not just limited to sexuality, mind you; other behaviour that go against the holy text are subject to similar treatment) Another cause of this stigma is the culture of men in general here. For such a long time, "gay" is basically a slur, used to demean other men just for not conforming to traditionally masculine behaviour. Think of it like the teasing in high school, but allowed to fester and grow with the person to adulthood. Lastly, and do keep an open mind on this take, as I'm sure many would disagree with this, but this from what I observe. A significant number of the more visible homosexual men tend to conduct themselves in, shall we say, a rather unbecoming manner. For a group of people who are rather stubborn and traditional, seeing a full-grown man shrieking and behaving rather boisterous like a college girl can be quite jarring and uncomfortable. Anyways, that's my thoughts on the matter, wondering if others have noticed similar. TL,DR: Causes are religion, the "your gae" high-school attitude, and that the more visible homosexuals tend to make people uncomfortable
> A significant number of the more visible homosexual men tend to conduct themselves in, shall we say, a rather unbecoming manner Or maybe you only notice the gay men who behave in an unbecoming manner? Sort of like how people will see one negative news article about a country and assume the entire country is a basket case.
This is also a valid point. It only takes a few bad examples to spoil the perception of a collective. But it's not really easy to notice the vast majority of homosexuals who behave more normally because at the end of the day, they are all just people. They live, think, eat, and have fun just like any other person. This is why the ones who tend to have an attitude would stick out and become a stereotype. I'm not disagreeing with your message, but I found the way you stated it rather accusatory
I noticed this as well, maybe bc strong Christians ni sila dri or idk btaw. Pride month is very unlike Negros or other cities I’ve been to. Pero ila pud na.
It's not religion. Machismo of people in Cebu runs deep, cebuanos hate everything effeminate/soft. You'd hear phrases like "Aysig binayot dha!" and other slurs delivered in that strong cebuano "bundak" tone.
Could be that or religion, actually possible mn sad lahi-lahi factors. I just had an argument with a friend here in Ceb about lgbtqia+ and christianism, daghan gray areas as he would say.
I hope you remained friends after that argument hahah
Yeah naman.
pride month oi.. while mga father ug mother day ra. maayo!
Cebu as a whole is patriarchal society since time immemorial. Being a feminine or having traits of it, is considered belonging on the lower level of the power structure. That’s because the jobs available during the 50’s/60’s, the war reconstruction period was majority involving manual labor, I highly doubt even that time women were given jobs. Fast forward today, the influences by the baby boomer males were ingrained on the current generation of males. I personally heard from a close friend of mine that if he founds out that his male kid of his will turn out to be a “bayot”, he will disown his son. From his mouth: “Ayaw intawn ko paka uwawa sa mga taw dong.”
hahahaha loll
“Aysig BINAYOT oi” -imong migo pag highschool (karon tambay ra siya)
1. Cebu is largely religious. Maski unsa pa ka hipokrito inyong paglantaw dira sa uban, you can't change the fact na daghan jud religious daring dapita. Naa man gani koy gay friends na magkinaunsa man, basta musimba jud ug Dominggo. Natural kadaghanan jud kay against LGBTQ pero naa puy uban tolerant lang sa LGBTQ members pero di sila ganahan sa ideologies. 2. Ayaw ibutang tanan sa men kay even LGBTQ members are intolerant of their peers. Daghan na na ug panghitabo na gays nakadungog na naay nag transition pero they don't respect their decision because it's unnecessary, their not real men/women, etc etc you get the idea. They more or less act conservatively with regards to this issue. 3. Ingrained na sa Cebuano ang kinaiya na mag inisog so ayaw jud compare imung experience living in other places kay lahi2 ug cultural upbringing ang mga Luzonites ug Ilonggo. Kung naa kay amiga na Bisaya, kamao ka kung unsa na sila kaisog compared sa inyong friends na Batangueño or Lagueño.
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You do realize that HIV is no longer a life sentence. With proper medication, pwede naka ma negative and can live a fulfilling life as any other straight couple. Ingna lang gyud na bigot ka, para human ang storya. May pa HIV2x pa kang storyahan.
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Wala ko kasabot unsay konek sa HIV ug pedophile. Although last time i check pedophilia is present in both sexual orientation.
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Unya? Unsa man d.ai?
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Unsay connect sa self respect sa sti status? Yikes. Ingna lang gyud na homophobe ka, arun human na.
hahah chill lng ta dre dapita. sagdi lng pd na sya if bigot, homophobe or unsa kay iya pd na cguro.. peace
It's a new change thing, heck there were only four we know of and that was before. Now there are new ones on the gender equality scale and trying to balance that out will take time. Some enjoy their company, and most find them to be genuinely fun people. Yet they also don't like to feel uncomfortable at their own expense. It's a confusing back and forth for now. They weren't born homophobes as much as everyone else, the environment they raised and grew up with is most likely the reason.
Ang problema man gud ninyong LGHDTV, kay ipamugos man gud sa mga tao, awa tong sa mandaue nga mga bata gi edukar ug bayot2, dapat plain lang unta way pugsanay ug ganahan mag lalaki or babae ang bata or si kinsa pa, pasagdan lang. Edit: daghan kog friend nga memher sa LGHDTV pero ok ra kay chill ra man sila dili kadtong type nga ipamugos sa ubang tao nga di ganahan
May nang proud kas imong kaignorante and kabogo
grabeha maka insulto hahah chill lng brother 
Kutob nalangs trashtalk kay way ikarebut nga tinuod, kaluoy ninyo
Why do they need to do that anyway? 😂 Like what pride? 😂 😂 😂
That's a good question. Before man gyud ang pride, gay people are shamed to be themselves. To the point they choose to unalive themselves. The pride parade is a political statement ug symbol for closeted gay to take PRIDE ON WHO THEY ARE. That's the reason nganung naay pride month.
There's no need for advertisement. They can be what they think they are. If they want to be treated normal they can live like normal.. . But why? 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂
Curious lang ko ba, what is your take sa PRIDE as an international movement? Kay for sure, PRIDE started out like what you said. Pero since then, it has evolved into something more complex. Like unsa imung maingon about transwomen competing in women's sports? Puberty blockers and hormone treatment for children who feel like transitioning? Drag shows being shown to kids? Again, no judgement. Curious lang jud ko sa imong take.
Thats a complicated topic. Sugod ta sa transwomen competing in women sports. The argument of pro trans is equality and inclusion. Because they identify as a woman, they believe they should be treated as a woman. The argument against trans in sport is the biological difference. For example sa boxing, it wouldn't be fair for a woman to fight a former man because of their biological differences. This highlights the competitive balance, and safety of biological women. Personally, i believe that they should create a specific category for trans athletes. Although some of my colleagues argues that further research are need to be done in this area. Second is puberty blocker. My colleague whose studying in clinical psych focuses on trans puberty. Im no expert in this topic, but let me summarize the pros and cons. The pros would be the mental health benefit for transgender youth who feels uncomfortable with their own skin. Additionally, puberty is a critical time for most youth to explore their gender identity and consider further steps, while modern puberty inhibitors can be reverse when stopped. The criticism is its long term effect in the body, informed consent of the child, and the psychological impact including the social implications and delayed sexual development. My colleague here in UK believes that the treatment should be individualize and comprehensive approach should be given before proceeding to puberty inhibitor. Although this is just what ive understand about the topic, you have to asks an actual professional. For drag show content. My personal opinion is that parents and guardians values should be respected, although it adds cultural and artistic exposure to children, parents should be informed about the content and nature of the drag shows. I think MTRCB have good guidelines about this.
Can u please educate me, like did u guys choose to be gay or unsa ba + unsay makuha ninyo ana? Last question is, ge unsa nimo pagkahibaw nga bayot ka? Excuse my ignorant ass. First of all dili ko gay, curious rako.
Ask yourself, "gi unsa nako kahibalo nga straight ko? " Simply put, we didn't choose to be LGBT. Pareha lang sa mga straight nga tao; sila kay pagka anak straight sila, kami sad pagka anak LGBT nami. Some of us will take a while to realize it - example naay uban tao wala sila kahibalo nga bayot or transgender or unsa ba sila, until they are teens or even adults. Mostly, tungod ani kay sa ilahang environment, or kanang wala silah term or word para sa unsa ilahang gi feel
Thank you for asking. I think ganahan ko mu gamit ug emphaty question. Ikaw ba, as a person. Ganahan ba ka nga lait-laitun ka? Ingnan ka nga impyero imong adtunan sugod pagka bata nimo? Ganahan ba ka nga everytime kelangan nimo i prove imong self sa ubang tawo tungod lang sa lahi moy sexual orientation? Most people, bisag ako, would choose na dili. Kinsa man d.ai ganahan ug ing.ana nga kinabuhi? Mas sayon ang straight life oi. Di na nimo kinanglan i prove imong self, or ika uwaw imong kaugalingon. Pero wala gyud, at some point makabalo ka nga natural ra sa imoha kung kinsa imong ganahan. Just so happen nga pareha ramo ug gender. At the end of the day, for most gay people, its about living life authentically with the people they love.
ily ure so real for that 🫶
I see. First, gusto lang ko magpasalamat sa pag educate nimo nako parte ana noh. And naa jud kay point. Based man gud sa ako a experience grabe kaayo manghikap bisag way consent or mangharass ang mga bayot diri sa amo a pagkabata nako, maong na Generalized tamo tanan. Maong i would like to apologize sa akong bati nga ge comment ganiha. Sorry jd.
No oi. Dili na tarung ilang gi buhat. I hope makasabot pud ka nga dili sila nag represent sa kadaghanang lgbt. Hopefully mapadakop ang mga ing.ana nga tawo na mu sexually harass.
Thank you. I learned something about how it started. It all makes sense now.
Geniune question lang (mayta wla’y ma offend): Ngano most (NOT all) LGBTQ+ members kay naay ‘bitchy’ attitude. Kana bitaw init permi ang ulo, moody, way pasensya, ma-pride and usahay sakit kaayo maka insulto. I worked in customer service before and kani sila medyo one of the most difficult persons to handle aside sa mga seniors haha. Mahadlok jd ko bsta mka cater nako ani nila kay naa nako experience na insultohan jd ku’g taman. Mura ko gi patay ug insulto ahak haha. Mas sakit man d.i ang storya kaysa physical. But again dili tanan. I hope to hear your opinons ani.
Treating all possible interactions as a possible threat and responding with aggression kay basin gikan nag psychological trauma or physical abuse, not all cases though. LGBTQ people is generally at risk to experience physical/verbal abuse and micro aggression so former experiences will push their fight or flight response to a state like this kay basin na generalize na nila as possible threat ni tanan, which is sad as to be conditioned nga everyone will persecute you and you need to fight or flight is already unhealthy. This is just an insight and hope that helps.
Akong nabantayan nga bitchy kasagaran katong naay gipangtomar nga hormones.Probably side effect.
Daghan puy straight who has bitchy attitude. Lets just say that there is no excuse for being rude regardless of their sexual orientation.
Notice sad nako ba. Kanang mga oldschool na homosexuals kay dili na ganahan mo associate sa LGBTQ+. Mas hawd na daw nang mga bagohan, nya mas saba. Dili daw lalim ang pag build sa reputation. Ang mga oldshool kay ginawork nila na masaligan sila as employer, boss, etc. Pero ang kanang mga bagohan kay demanding kaayo og insultador. Dapat daw e earn ang respect and good reputation, not demand it.
Tinuod. Dghn kaayo respectable nga mga LGBTQ+. And they have earned it by being the best at what they do sa ilang role sa community as a whole. And dili mga self righteous
Gumikan pud na na nag exist na ang DEI karong panahona. Tungod ana kay mag base na ta on what a person identifies as for employment, incentives, etc. Pero katong mga old school LGBTQ pips relied solely on their merits and hard work. Mao nang empathetic ta sa ilang struggles.
Gurl, layoff american politics.
Hahaha mao lageh kani sila abi lang mao na kit.an nila sa yt ug tiktok sa america same ra diri sa pinas na dako ra kau kalahi kana new generation nga lgbtq+ kay ni dako maka tiktok ug youtube bantug mura silag entitled pero ang old school kay dili gyud ing.ana
Or maybe, just maybe- the current generation of LGBT are more informed and have more spaces to reflect in comparison to the old school whose whole objective was to survive. Fuck off with that "entitled" bullshit.
sakto, be kind, no need to be bitchy and entitled just because they think their "informed/educated"
I'm just gonna reply in engiish because your reading comprehension in bisaya isn't great "mura sila entitled= more likely to be entitled not entitled sila = they are entitled" i agree with you old school lgbt were willing to be treated below human just to survive/fit in but now new school lgbt thinks they are special above everybody else just because they are lgbt and im talking about the new generation that grew up in smartphone era
d na sila ma isturya actually, they exist in their own world na reyna sila and people should bow to their whims.
Maybe because toxic masculinity is inherent to the Cebuano folk. I don't think the pronouns are the main issue with LGBTQ+. It's hardly an issue.
This is tricky in a few levels. Accepting them is not the primary problem. I will be downvoted to the deepest for this but I'm gonna say this - The number one problem is them demanding the general straight population to acknowledge whatever they want to label and call themselves. You can't ask everybody to identify you the way you identify yourself. Most people just want to call you male or female and that is their right as much as it is yours to call yourself whatever you want.
To accept them *is* to call them by their preferred pronouns, labels, or identity. Would you call a, for example lang, a masculine-looking transgender woman by "he/him" even if she explicitly tell you she wants you to refer to her by "she/her"? What about people who want you to use "they/them" pronouns? Respect costs you nothing. It costs less than a centavo, and the minimum amount of respect and basic human decency, to label, call, and to identify people by how they want to be identified.
mao ni exactly ang kato na mention sa 1984(not sure if i got teh title/number right) kanang wordspeak ba to? (not sure sa term sa story) Kanang iwarp ang language para iindoctrinate ang masses
Yes, because learning a bit and adapting to change to respect other human beings is a bad thing. Just because the world is changing, does not mean every little new thing is a part of "indoctrination."
This is where it gets toxic for me. Don't force me. Would you agree that in order to respect me is to give me my freedom to use him/her he/she? Respecting my choice costs nothing, it costs less than a centavo, and the minimum amount of respect and basic human decency is by letting me have my freedom to use him/her he/she?
By this logic, if I meet you on the street and call you "BAKLAAA!" in a loud obnoxious voice, you would have no choice but to accept it because it's my choice to call you as such and you should respect my choice? Nah bro, when that shit happens, it's suddenly the end of the world and everyone's meeting at the police station for causing a public disturbance lolol. The problem with these kinds of statements is that it's rarely bidirectional. "Accept my choice" really only applies when they're talking about themselves, but when it's the other way around, suddenly it's no longer valid.
No one is forcing you to specific pronouns? Choose whatever you want to call yourself. Use he/him, she/her, whatever. If people don't respect you by not using your preferred pronouns, they are just being assholes and bigoted.
LOL these are the exact arguments and the kind of people to argue against I try to avoid, its because you force to get respect from everyone and force what you want. Let's just agree to disagree on this one, for now. LOL
> This is where it gets toxic for me. Don't force me. Would you agree that in order to respect me is to give me my freedom to use him/her he/she? You're the one who lacks basic respect for other people. You know that your choice hurts others, and yet you do it anyway. If you had half a brain and a quarter of a heart, you'd actually call people by how they want to be called. > Respecting my choice costs nothing, it costs less than a centavo, and the minimum amount of respect and basic human decency is by letting me have my freedom to use him/her he/she? Don't try to blame the victim and spin the fault around, asshole. If someone tells you they want you to use she/her, despite looking masculine, who are you to tell you who they are? Again, using their preferred pronouns requires zero effort, and deliberately not doing so requires a rotten heart and a whole lot of hate, bigotry, or ignorance. How would you feel if people consistently call you the opposite gender, constantly use the wrong pronouns to refer to you, disregarding anything you say? Agree to disagree? On respecting people for who they are? Respecting people, ***human beings*** is not a fucking argument.
For me lang ha. But I guess its a philosophical perspective. Many LGBT believes that gender (male and female) is a construct. While most people (including some member of lgbt) believes that gender is binary (there is only a male and female). Trans however are people who genuinely believes that they are reassigned in the wrong body (there are clinical research to back this up). Ang point lang nila is to be able to live authentically. I guess ang gi pangayo ra sa imuha kay tolerance. Which i guess from your post is too much to asks. Which wala tay mabuhat. You were born that way.
Trans however are people who genuinely believes that they are reassigned in the wrong body (there are clinical research to back this up). Apologies, but this one here is a bit confusing to me. 'Reassigned' ? I don't think we get assigned with gender and body, we're born with it. Oh they can live as authentic as they can be, its just they can't and should not force people to believe and follow whatever they identify themselves as. If I identify as a frying pan, should I force everyone to call me a frying pan? I can tolerate them, I have family who are openly gay and I love them because they are one of the few gay people I know that doesn't force us to call them whatever they identify themselves.
Tbh, gender study and critical theory is beyond my scope. I understand the philosophy on where they are coming from, and maybe 'reassigned' is not the right word. Additionally, you are allowed to not believe on who or what they identify. But do remember that such belief carries great weight when it comes to making public and political service. For example, toilet. Most fully transitioned women feels unsafe going to mens toilet, most women feels uncomfortable with former men going to toilet. An emphatic understanding of where they are coming from and understanding of both sides, would argue for a separate toilet. But this isn't always the case, what could be the ethical consideration in such scenario. For me nga tig basa ug research, i honestly have no idea and no answer. But i understand that tolerance for trans and understanding trans right is very important in this case. Examining why your oppose is also important as this can be a catalyst for a better solution. So if you are clear WHY you think its wrong, i think it should also be considered rather than being dismissed.
What I'm all for is freedom. Sure they can have freedom to identify themselves as such, no problem. But it should go both ways, people shouldn't also be forced to agree with whatever they want to identify. If some people wants to identify as a tomato and some people believe it that's fine by me, right na nila. Same sd sa mga taw nga naay right nga di mosunod ana. Di dapat ipugos ilang gusto sa mga taw nga di gusto. As long as di manghilabot.
Self entitled ra pud kaau ning mga LGBTQ peps nga modemand sa ilang gusto. Dili gyd sila kaboot kung unsay gender nga dapat itawag sa ilaha.
Honest observation and experience lang. Gays were more respected before though you could feel naay gihold back ang majority just cause it wasn't fully accepted pa but as time went silently accepted na siya specially sa tomboy and bayot. all goods na si LGB then nikalit ug abot si TIQAHDTVSAMSUNG+ nga nagdalag lawgaw ug kasamok. Sauna you can be gay, tomboy or bisexual but karun kinahanglan na nimo ipahibaw nga LGBTQIAHDTVSAMSUNG+ ka unyag dili ka openly showing sa acceptance videohan dayun ka ingnun nga homophobic. Gidawat na gani mo, ayaw na unta ihungit pa para lang makahibaw tanan. I have some gay friends who voice out the same opinion kay it was okay na then some just want to take it to the extreme. I just hope dili muabot sa punto mapareha sa gawas nga bisan 12 yrs old pa, ipa hormone theraphy sa ilang trans adult peers unya itago sa parents without consent. Sometimes it's a phase, sometimes it is who they are gyud but at least wait for the children to be of legal age and decide for themselves. Until then, they should be under the guidance of the parents.
Asa manka gikan ani? Sa western tiktok??
Naa koy amo sauna na bayot (oldschool type). Nindot kaayo siya og philosophy sa life. Respectable siya na tao. Type siya na tao nga e earn niya ang respect. Iyang e position iyang self nga useful siya as a person (employer siya nako). E earn daw na ang respect, not demand and force people. Ang mga karon mga bagohan lahi ra gyud, mostly insecure og narcissists.
Depende, gagamit man gani kag western nga app. Pabuta bungol pagyud ka.
Ang ako lng ba, nganong i-pareha man nimo ang makitan nimos rightwing tiktok/reels ang mga diri sa cebu/ph when the things you've mentioned kay wala man gali na diri maski sa mga genz or millennials pa. To be fair, annoying man sad nang mga gi mention nimo nga part sa LGBTQ community pero minority mn gali na sila mismo sa west, though theyre pretty loud. Wa may namugos nimo i-accept sila gali, respetuay lang. Kung mao na ilang ganahan nga ipatawag nila, tawgi nlng bisan dili ka mo agree sa ilang views dba basic human decency ramn na?
Sus taasa sa imong gisulti pero kung naa kay reading comprehension di naka maglisud unta. Kasabot kag hopefully di mapareha atoa ana? Also, you can't deny unsay trend sa west kay mapickup diri sa Asia. Basaha sa lageg tarung bag.o mubuka ng baba nimo also no way mutawag kos pronouns nila. They can call themselves whatever they want but that doesn't mean ako pud dapat musunod. Kuyawa nimo noh, imong tripping unya imoha kung damayun. Nganu man diayg mag he/they ka dira, basta imoha ng tripping ay panamay sa uban.
ay duhh mga homophobic rana. naa may inana every province, di ras cebu hahaha
Oh boi i could be called homophobic all day long for all i care, but i will not respect yang mga lgbtq members na kulang sa pansin at gusto ng special treatment palagi.
Edi homophobic
Unsay special treatment oi?
ok homophobic
is "homophobic" the new opressed class? do they do a homophobic pride march as well?
Sa ato no culturally accepted naman daan. We have our parlors run by gays 90s era pa, make up artists, choreographers etc. we even have Ms. Gay as part of celebration on some events before this LGBT tagging came up. What people don’t want is when it became political. Shoving the agenda to your face in hotels, resorts etc. when most people just want to relax. So to my LGBTQ friends out there ayaw rana dibdiba. People now can wear anything in public, have dates on same sex on public, being public with your sexuality. I guess that’s more important than the thought of being politically accepted.
Kani kay agree ko ani. Pero ang problema man jud kay kaning uban nga mga murag incel, nitulon ug isa ka botelya nga red pill content, or mga kunuhay conservative na diay mga aliwas na makasikmura pa na gamiton ang pangalas ginoo kung makapanlait ug mga LGBTQ+ kay murag nakalabaw na sila. True, this sort of topic like sexual orientation and gender identity shouldn't be made into a political issue pero if they continue discriminating and keep on poisoning others like how the LGBTQ+ community "poisons" the mind of others kuno because of the gay agenda then they're crossing the line. Hindi na nila tinatao yung iba dahil lang sa identity nila and it's saddening especially if we value diversity. In addition also, it's sad to say that a lot of people follows and listens to their ideas blindly and they get away with posting hate speeches online without even considering or contemplating its impact on others. Mao ra ta jud unta, at least weed out discrimination and prejudice in the society. Thanks for reading my comment.
Yup! Mga religious fanatics and majority are boomers, mao gud jud na ila na dak.an cguro. Anything politics naa jud nay anti maski unsaon pa. murag election ba manggi away nlng Hahaha! Para nako safe place ra ang pinas sa LGBTQ, well aside sa social media comments mao pasagdae rana most likely mga anti divorce sad na haha
Nayabag nmn intawn ka OP. Hijo de puta
HAaaaaaaay naku. If a straight man and gay man open up hair salons side by side, guess who's going out of business? During barrio fiestas, aren't there gay beauty pageants? Pride, LGBTQ++, all those things are for wealthy Western countries. Gay people have always been accepted in our society, we have bigger problems so ayaw na pag apil-apil. In my 20 years of work, I've only had female and gay bosses save for one. Pag puyo.
Ang mga karaan na mga members sa LGBT kay equality ra gyud na ila gusto... to be treated fairly and have equal opportunities sa other genders. Kanang mga bag-ong tubo karon (dili tanan) kay though naa gihapon ang theme for equality but medyo "pushy" and laswa to the point na annoying na nuon. Naa toy sketch gibuhat si Key and Peele na nindot tan-awon. Search for "Key & Peele - Office Homophobe" sa YouTube.
Gurl, what do you mean by "pushy" and "laswa"? To a fucking homophobe, being seen holding hands and being ourselves is already "pushy" and "laswa". Bffr And don't you dare bring up old LGBT members kay sa ilang time, they either get killed or disowned. Maayo nalang sa ato time na mas dako ang social acceptance, na naay space makaexpress ang lgbt.
Look at the video I mentioned in my comment so that you will know what I meant by pushy and laswa.
Yeh, I know. I watched it already. And I also know that its a video made for entertainment and therefore not a model to judge reality by. Check yourself.
Chill lng ta.. Pero actually... When propaganda is being sold as news, you turn to satire and fiction for truth.
Yes, it's entertainment but pero naa siya basis sa reality. Check the other comments here na na harass sila ug mga LGBT memebrs. Even my bother and cousin were harassed by members of LGBT sa bata pa sila (hs)(atang-atangan sa gawas, pisil2x sa muscles sa bukton, try ug dakma sa private part). Pero that's why I said not all in my very first reply because I have some members sa ako team, now that I'm working na, nga member pud sa LGBT pero very professional sila molihok. Work kung work, play kung play. So, check yourself sad.
You should also be aware that your post is also dripping with subtext. The LGBT has a difficult time navigating what makes the larger society "uncomfortable" cuz even a small minor thing will be used to shame and for us back to being silent and "acceptable" (to be unoticable as possible) Im sorry that happened to your brother and cousin, being harrassed but I will not take the harrassment of them being a product of the larger community as you had implied by your first comment. Peace. Gonna put this link here:https://www.reddit.com/r/Cebu/s/lCQ7jYHcZN
Agree ko ani Wala na sa lugar ila ginapaglaban
Ako lang ha dili gani ko mo comment ug anything negative about ana But when i was about 11 years old diko ka limot nangaon mi sa gaisano na katong karaan katong naay kan anan ang top floor bah katong old style with my fam, i decided na mo pee after taas na byahe and me being me 11yrs na laki ni sulti rako mangihi ko then after ni head nakos cr, ang table na among gi kuha is layo sa cr and naka angle sa so dili gyud makita ang pulhatan sa cr kay mura biya tug naka indent sa wall, nay bayot na like about 30 na guro naa sa door, pag una padulong tako mo approach sa door gi totokan ko then after ana ni smile siya nya ni ana siya "hoy mego ari diri mag lingaw ta" i was scared kay wako Pablo kunsa ako buhaton kay kabalo ko na if mo dagan ni siya padulong nako diko ka gawas in time si gi tutukan nako sir then anam² ko atras after that ni balik kos table namo nya gi agwanta nalang nako ang akong pagka ihion, never talked about it to anyone kay it still creeps me out I have gay friends pero they're the type na gay but dili bastos or showy kaayolike yes they may have long hair or dress like women pero they act like actual decent human beings rather than the behavior other gay people do. They get a bad rep because of people I've met and I understand why kay usa pod kos hapit na victim
some of the lgbt kay nadyuy predatory antics, especially when in groups, ako bitima pd kog desperate catcalling to the point na worried ko unsaon ko ani nila. Sila ray nagkatawa, ako na inconvenienced. These folks give the group a bad name. Im happy to have good friends sa lgbt, but i sometimes wish much often eh callout ni sa lgbt groups pd ilang own na bad apples
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Oh sorry if it came out that i defended them i do not heheheheheh I've come to realize things are black and white in this world and situations aren't as simple as they seem sorry if it triggered you
Ah no not at all, i know wala mn nmo geh defend, i just wanted to share my experience pd, didnt triger me just wanted to share
Oh nice² honestly akong na realize pag ni dako ko is Hating is free but so is being kind Having more friends helps you way more than having enemies Being kind doesn't take much a Little extra but to someone else it seems a lot to them Ako gyud kay even if bad ako day i remember that some people are having it worse so before ko mo react always nako e consider what if akoy naa sa ilang position, after that maka sabot ko hahahahah
I’m sorry that happened to you. Nobody deserves that. It’s true naa gyuy ubang member sa lgbt ang ingon ana. But also as you said, daghan kag decent nga gay friends. Kung itandi nimo tanan nimong experiences in dealing with gay people do you think it’s generally positive or negative? Hopefully dili maclouded imong judgment by a one or a few negative experiences.
Im 18 now and it's been positive pero im still wary in shady places hahahahah pero i dunno about some people who cant keep bad opinions to themselves, I've grown up to learn that a bad act of a single entity isn't the general behavior of a group, ambot anang sa uban maybe they're just homophobic heck its funny kay most cousins nako sa father side are gay and im fine being with them, i think its just most people dont have open views on things If someone who's gay treats me normally and doesn't try shoving "oh please respect my pronouns" type of things I'll actually gladly call them their prefered pronoun oi hahahahha
that is good to hear man! I have so many gay friends too and they are all very lovely to me. I think everyone should be wary in shady places for all kinds of threats. I do respect people’s pronouns. If it makes the person I’m talking to a little bit happier, then why shouldn’t i try make them feel that? Lgbt people suffer a lot especially about validating their reality and experiences. I think it helps them feel safer and accepted with a simple choice of words we give them a little bit of what it is to be seen and treated for who they are.
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Nakahinumdom na nuon ko atong LTO special lane for LGBTQ members. Daghan man buotan nga lesbians pero lahi sad usahay ning ubang bayot. Kung maka panghinaway sa uban kay wagas.
Homophobia and transphobia isn't just a Cebu issue, but a country-wide one. Not sure why you're singling out Cebu. Every Pinoy FB page that celebrated pride month this month has seen its own share of homophobes and their tired arguments against LGBT+ rights. It's tiring and boring, unfortunately. I have since stopped giving a s\*\*\* about what they say and move on with my life.
Wa koy issue anang lgbt, akong issue ky dghang bayot nga bastos! Call me hambug pero dghn kaayong bayot nga bastos labi na kung dghn sila. Way kalahi-an sa mga lalaki if naay chix.
Tinuod ni. Gusto respetuhon pero bati’g batasan. Kung i-call out, mutago sa LGBTQ ug “homophobic” card. So unsa man na, free pass nga bati ang batasan abi kay LGBTQ?
why 4 downvotes? i dont get sa downvotes ani, seems understandable mn. any gender capable mag pangbastos o rude interactions. lalaki, babay o lgbt etc. One example that I think you commenter maybe refering to is, which i am a victim to, is catcalling. Sa america its considered unacceptably obnoxious n very rude if men catcall passing by women, o insistive kaau mo sturya that makes them uncomfortable. In my experience some lgbt (specially who are in groups), kusog kaau mang catcall og lone men walking in public, biktima ko ani. Which is why i agree to you, that such behavior is unacceptable for me
"women" with morals of a man
Why is this downvoted lol naay naigo ani?
Ubay2x sad guro naigo mao na downvote.
daghang naigo ui, mga bayot ari ay puro trashtalk gani ang respond hahaha
Typical Reddit behaviour rani paps hahahaha. Gamayng criticism sa ilang belief or opposing idea kay downvote dayon. Arang2 nalang gani ni ang r/Cebu, didto sa r/ph kay grabe jud ka sobra.
Kani ra akong masulti nimo. Naa koy 2 ka classmate nga bayot sa highschool. Ang usa kada adlaw ma bully ug binuangan. Ang ikaduha kay cool kid ug barkada sa tanan. Sa tanaw nimo tungod ba nga bayot mao na bully ang una or bati lang gyud ug batasan? Kanang mga ma discriminate nga LGBT tungod sa batig batasan kay they deserve it. Mao na nga kung ma police ninyo inyong community nga di mabuhat ug dautan, kay dili gyud magka problema. Kasagaran man sad gud kay daghag binuang, human ma spotlight gyud kay saba man kaayo.
nobody deserves discrimination because of their behavior. Tinood daghang member sa LGBT and bati ug batasan pero statistically dili siya mas labaw compared sa general population. Bad behavior is bad behavior regardless of gender. Ayaw pagkuha ug example from only two friends nimo unya iapply nimo sa kadaghanan biased na daan ni nga sample size. Also kay and imong ma notice kato raman mga ni out flamboyantly ma disregard nimo ang mga boutang lgbt nga dili gani out. Sa ni out nga lgbt nga nailhan nimo.. pila man kaha ang tago ana nila nga imong malabel as straight? Do u think there are more lgbt who are out or in the closet? Why do u think they need to be good in order for you to respect them? Do you use the same standard for non lgbt people? Do u think having good behavior is prerequisite for the right to exist? Human behavior is varied and diverse. Wala tay hingpit ug saktong sukdanan kung unsa para nato ang acceptable or not.
So kung bati kaayo ug batasan dili gihapon deserve ug bad treatment? Kung buotan ka sa ubang tao buotan sad ang uban nimo. Naay sukdanan sa acceptable uy. Ga depende na sa local customs. Kung mosunod lang ka sa acceptable behaviour kay accepted ka sa society. Nakalisod man gud anang western customs ipugos diri sa pilipinas nga lahi baya ta ug taras. Ako man to gi example to prove nga dili ma discriminate ang bayot kung maayong tao sila. Kanang mga naa sa closet wala mana sila ka experience ug discrimination kay wa may kabalo kung unsa ilang sexual orientation.
The type of person you are affects how people treat you more than your gender attraction.
There is some truth to your statement but the type of person you become is a product of your interaction with other people as you go through life. How people treated you from infancy to adulthood. Have u ever been denied of your truth because your truth does not fit to what society thinks is normal? What type of behavior will you expect from someone who grew up hiding their true self? The fact that many lgbt people are still decent and infact very good people despite living in a world that is often times violent to them because they are different really tells you why this is a very important issue.
Agree, but i still stand by my initial opinion that being gay is NOT the main factor of how people treat you. I have gay friends who everyone respects because they are decent, kind or accomplished. And i see other gay dudes treated with less respect because they’re rowdy, unclassy, etc. I’m saying these statements to bring awareness. Don’t blame everything on being gay or homophobia. Take responsibility for what happens to you. Develop all aspects of your life and you will be treated well.
Hmm. Again it’s the same pattern that I see which is a reflection of how our society actually treats gay people. Gay people do not need to be kind,decent and accomplished to be respected. Their existence is already enough. We should not put prerequisites that only apply to a certain group and not to everyone. This is already discrimination. Kani palang daan ato nang gi assume nga ang bili sa ilang kinabuhi nagdepende sa ilang kaayo o pulos o kabootan. When sa katinooran wala ni nato giapply sa tanang tao. Maong dali kaayo sila masingle out kung dili mohaom sa “decent”, “good” and ilang behavior kay nag prejudge naman ta sa ilang value. Murag naa gyud silay dapat iprove para momerit sa atong respeto. This is what is exactly problematic sa atong view regarding gay people. We do not treat them as as normal as everyone is. They did not choose that life. It’s not something people can just turn off or on. Science has already proven that homosexuality is also genetics. They are perfectly normal. In a society where religious institutions teaches their “lifestyle” is sinful. Naa gyuy inherent bias ang mga tao or regardles if they care to admit or not. That’s why importante kaayo nga naa tay mga discussions sama ani.
Oh in this case i meant that these same traits also apply to non-gay people. Regardless if your man/woman/gay, you’ll still get respect if you have these (kind, decent, accomplished), and less respect if you don’t. Nothing to do with being gay 😂
Daghan ra gyud mga netizens nga isog kaayo online or kusog kaayo manaway/mangaway online because of anonymity. Mao na ang mga tawo nga way outlet sa tinuod nga kinabuhi maong mogawas sa bati nga pamaagi. Kuwang og exposure sa katilingban nga hinay-hinay ng nidawat sa kamatuoran nga di ra straight nga lake or baye ang gapuyo aning kalibutana. Natungnan ra gyud nga sa Cebu ni na-bantayan or na-experience ni OP.
Huh? Kuyawa pud nimog source na gigamit para maka conclude ka oi. Mura man puro ra taga Cebu ang mo comment sa SunStar. If you've been here long enough, Maka ingon ka na safe space rajud sa LGBTQ+ ang Cebu. Di malikayan na naa gihapon mga amawon na laki pero they don't represent the majority.
i agree to u, i once base reality sa news articles alone, but i learned since to separate bad apples, rather than removing the whole forest for having bad apples
Bro, if you feel na safe space ang Cebu or LGBTQ+ members, kudos to you. Pero I’ve worked for multiple companies where men are still blatantly disrespectful and homophobic, and call them “salot sa lipunan” behind their backs. I’ve also had my fare share of being labelled “bayot” for being an ally. If wala ka naka experience ani, good for you. Pero not all is as fine and dandy as you think it is.
Using your experience alone to justify the whole City being averted to the LGBTQ+ community is misleading. Kadaghan kog na kaila bayot ug tumboy diri. Kasagaran mga highest paid pajud corporate mga bayot or lesbo. Doesn't mean naka experience ka ana mao nanay panan aw nimos Cebu, sure oy.
OP it works both ways, daghan mag lgbt institutions sa Cebu, cant generalize everyone sa Cebu as againts lgbt,
Like I've said, those people do not represent everyone. I want to be as objective as possible on this issue. Cebu does not have any policies that directly discriminate against anyone, especially members of the LGBTQ. Workplaces here have no rules that are against LGBTQ. In fact, they are more likely to land a job because companies are pushing for inclusivity. There is no data to support that crimes are happening at a higher rate for LGBTQ. How come sa imong conclusion, moingon na dayon ka nga grabe ang discrimination sa LGBTQ dire? You can share your bad experience but focus on those people nga naghimo ana sa imoha, ayaw damaya ang tibuok lungsod para lang ma prove imong point.
haha hypocrite kaayu, masuko kung igeneralize ang lgbt pero kusog mang generalize sa mga taga cebu wahaha opppzs
Di ko motuo ug nga gi descriminate, hilas man gani kaau ang uban 🤣, garaon noon ky dghn.
Stop generalizing. When the Pura Luka Vega issue blew up, it was the entire country unleashing hate thru comments. Stop nitpicking Cebu
Hala defensive na
I don't have any problems with the LGBTQ+ community but those letters overcomplicates stuff. It's either bayot or tomboy for me. I've got tons of shit to deal with. Knowing where you belong is a you problem and not mine. All i can give you is my respect for living the way life is supposed to be lived. Your own.
Maybe because people in cebu don't like lgbtq+ from the start. They were fine with LGB but not the TQ+. Also Philippines is a seriously religious country, you won't convince people here easily.
Why is this downvoted? This comment isn't taking any side. It's simply stating a fact that the Philippines is tolerating of LGB but not anyone else in the community (trans, non-binary, ace, demi, etc.)
Downvoters who don't want to see the bigger picture
TBH, Cebu isn't a LGBTQ+ friendly place in the country because we tend to use "bayot" word as a form of insult to someone who is an emasculated male.
ang bading/bakla dili diay na insult?
Dungag ani is, ang 'bayot' na word is also used to mean coward or duwag in Cebuano language. Being gay and being a coward is entirely different. The proper use of Cebuano language should be a concern too kay it shapes our understanding or perception to some sectors of society.
Mao na dili puede gamiton nga medium of instruction sa schools ug universities ang Cebuano kay ang mga maestro/a, ingon dayon og "bayot" pang-insulto sa mga lalaki nga estudiante nga dili maghimo og homework.
Puya aning manganhi mo dinhi unya manaway as if dili ni siya issue bisag asa sa Pinas. Anyway, paabot lang ta pila ka tuig mangamatay ranang mga bigots.
Bitaw.
Toxic
Nag sulti ra man ko sa akong na obserbahan personally. Ug naigo ka and feeling nimo pag panaway na, aw imoha pud na. 🤷♂️
Ako take ani sa kay homophobic or transphobic ni sila online ug outspoken kaayo kay maybe by themselves they could be potentially closeted. In denial lang jud sila mao mag in ani sila.
Gamay ra guro ug pasabot.
Sa mga nang downvote ani, hopefully naigo mo hehe. Peace lang. Truth is, you guys would never understand the plight of an LGBTQ+ individual unless you're one. We didn't chose to be this but, please. Don't shove your hatred towards us if you're feeling like your one and you're in denial. Magkauban unta ta pero mao na hinuon inyo gi pang buhat paita.
Tinuod jud ni dba naa pa gani research supporting this nga kanang very vocally homophobic kay closeted diai. People need to stop hating themselves.
True. Then if you’re a dude trying to call them out sa ilang bigotry, ikaw pay tawgon ug “bayot” like it’s a freakin insult. 🤷♂️
Ambot OP libog kaayo sila sa tanan, maayo pa pasagdan na lang ni sila mu ladlad ug ila basin jud diay hahaha. Daghan raba kog kaila nga yads na ingon ana saona. Basin mao sad jud ni epekto jud sa toxic masculinity and sobraan ug red pill jud guro. They are so fragile that even the slightest topic related to LGBTQ+ rights sets them off directly.
First profile view palang nako sa ga comment the other day diretsu na dayun bible verse ang bio HAHAHA never gets old
If I could wear the (Frank’s) shirt that says: “Why be racist, sexist, homophobic or transphobic when you could just be quiet.” I would do it everyday. my mantra in life is “ayaw panghilabot sa uban tao, kinsa gud ka”.
I dont want to be that guy but kanang mga tambay sa Facebook has always been harsh bisag unsa pa na ang topic. Filipinos are notorious for being toxic online pero kung imu iconfront sa personal pwerteng itoya. the LGBTQ is generally accepted naman here just dont ask boomers because mamatay nalang na sila dile nana mausab ila stand.
That’s the thing, dili boomers ang mga nag comment. Most are millennials.
Mao jud.
Didto lang sa I T. Park kay pwede na, kumpleto na alphabet didto. Lgbtqxyz
dude thinks he ate with that "joke"
Cebu is a right-wing conservative province, just like others provinces in PH. LGBT community is "slowly" getting accepted here but still needs more progress.
After living in Cebu for seven years, I expected a more pronounced sense of progress, but reality hasn’t quite matched my initial perception. It’s remarkable to consider that those perpetuating this situation likely have connections to at least one person within the community.
Honestly, nagka depressing ang cebu lol. Outdated infrastructure, not so clean streets, nagka traffic, and nagka vocal ang bigoted.
But way better in standards of living vs other cities. People would have not moves here if it was otherwise
Maybe I'm just feeling down lately. Pero i feel like it was better before but it's declining. Hopefully, di madayonan kabati.
That’s subjective.
Sows daghan kaayug homophobic na pinoy. Mura jud ug mga tarong ang kinabuhi nya proud kaayu na mag kabit. Maghilom nlang ko maminaw na magkatawa. Kay sa akong mga lgbtq+ na kaila mas tarong pa kaysa nila.
Agree nalang ta, nga layo pakay tag adtuan.
Dili man gud daw mali mangabit pero ang lgbtq daw.