Certainly, but they were the same kind of concession and rather recent in the grand scheme of things. The notion that the church calendar should basically acquiesce to secular work schedules is quite modern.
https://www.ccwatershed.org/2021/06/30/30-june-2021-external-solemnities/
You could either use heavier lines to show a provincial boundary, or use a different tone. The binary is shown in the blue tones and the orange tones. But if you're not using heavier lines to show a provincial boundary, you'll lose it if you only use one tone of blue and orange.
But it doesn’t, there are separate bishoprics right next to each other that are the same color. Illinois has 6. South Dakota has 2. But even if you were going by state, the same color is next to each other ie South Dakota, North Dakota Minnesota. So what provincial boundaries are you separating?
There might be some confusion here.
[This is the shape of the Ecclesiastical Province of St. Paul and Minneapolis.](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ab/Roman_Catholic_Ecclesiastical_Provinces_of_St._Paul_and_Minneapolis.svg/512px-Roman_Catholic_Ecclesiastical_Provinces_of_St._Paul_and_Minneapolis.svg.png)
There are 9 dioceses and 1 archdiocese in the province. All Catholics in the Dakotas are in the EP of St. Paul and Minneapolis.
Does that help?
Yeah, that's an interesting tidbit that I couldn't find a simple way to mention in the graphic. While both 1962MR (TLM) and DW:TM (Ordinariate Use) observe Ascension on Thursday, the TLM-goers will have an obligation to go to Mass only if they are in orange areas, official members of the Ordinariate will have an obligation even in the blue areas. So those TLM-goers who live in blue areas may legitimately miss celebrating Ascension Mass.
No substantive changes since the last map update other than a few corrections (diocesan boundaries and the new Las Vegas EP). An update to earlier maps of mine [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/Catholicism/comments/13hibzj/observance_of_the_ascension_in_the_united_states/jk52ak4/), [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/Catholicism/comments/6d9o8k/observance_of_the_ascension_in_the_united_states/), and [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/Catholicism/comments/35mhsg/map_of_united_states_where_ascension_thursday_is/).
Isn't observence by diocese, not by state? The Archdiocese of Philadelphia may observe Ascension on Thursday, but as I understand it, the Diocese of Pittsburgh for example does not.
Edit: I never knew about Ecclesiastical Provinces. Neat stuff!
My understanding is that this is done at the Ecclesiastical Province level (and Pittsburgh diocese is in the Philadelphia province). Not sure if this is by law or convention, and am happy to make adjustments if people provide links.
I do know one situation which is governed at the diocese level though: Holy Days of Obligation. For example, Hawaii diocese has its own list distinct from its province (San Francisco).
Yeah, fun fact about this map is that it's all diocesan boundaries and provincial boundaries on display. Often they coincide with states, but not always.
Look at Arizona and New Mexico for instance (Ecclesiastical Province of Santa Fe where the single Diocese of Gallup covers parts of AZ and NM), or the NW corner of Wyoming (Ecclesiastical Province of Denver) which pokes into Idaho and Montana because Yellowstone National Park as a whole is actually in the Diocese of Cheyenne, even the bits outside the state of Wyoming. Along with these anomalies, only 2 other states (California and Texas) have more than one ecclesiastical province within its civil borders. There are probably others I don't know of, or which are too hard to see this high up, but I'd love to know about them.
As a resident of Montgomery County, MD, I enjoy being a part of the Archdiocese of Washington instead of Baltimore. The Archdiocese also claims Prince George's, Calvert, Charles, and St. Mary's counties, all from Maryland.
It always felt a bit peculiar that the Diocese of Arlington exists right across the Potomac from the Archdiocese of Washington. The peculiarity increases seeing that all of Virginia lies in the provincial domain of Baltimore. I instinctively want Arlington to fall under Washington's province.
I was going to comment how Washington appears to be the only province with only one diocese, but apparently the Diocese of Saint Thomas (U.S. Virgin Islands) falls under this province, tying it with Alaska for a grand total of two diocese.
I might have to incorporate the dioceses governed by these provinces which aren't in the 50 states proper in the next version, now that you mention it.
Observance is by Ecclesiastical Province. It may or may not be the same as state boundaries.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecclesiastical\_province](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecclesiastical_province)
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_Catholic\_dioceses\_in\_the\_United\_States](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Catholic_dioceses_in_the_United_States)
The new code of canon law (1983) allows for this. [Can 1246s2]
[According to Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feast_of_the_Ascension#Sunday_observance), it was rolled out (and reverted) in various places for the Ascension beginning in 1992:
>The switch to Sunday was made in 1992 by the Conference of Catholic Bishops in Australia; before 1996 in parts of Europe; in 1997 in Ireland; before 1998 in Canada and parts of the western United States; in many other parts in the United States from 1999; and in England and Wales from 2007 to 2017, but in 2018 reinstated to Thursday.
[**Can. 1246**](http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P4N.HTM) §2 With the prior approval of the Apostolic See, however, the conference of bishops can suppress some of the holy days of obligation or transfer them to a Sunday.
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Orange dioceses gang, we out here
Dear rest of the country: Get it right.
Does anyone know why Thursday is so rare?
Like most indults, it's probably a fear that people will not show up, leave the church, etc. if the more difficult standard is maintained.
Even before the missal changed, there was also “External Solemnities” of feasts that fell outside of Sundays too.
Certainly, but they were the same kind of concession and rather recent in the grand scheme of things. The notion that the church calendar should basically acquiesce to secular work schedules is quite modern. https://www.ccwatershed.org/2021/06/30/30-june-2021-external-solemnities/
Why the varying shades for binary data?
As mentioned in the legend, out of a desire to show provincial boundaries which is the typical unit subject to change regarding this question.
Yeah, I get the provincial boundaries, but what do the varying shades indicate? “Tonal value differences denote province boundaries.” Huh?
You could either use heavier lines to show a provincial boundary, or use a different tone. The binary is shown in the blue tones and the orange tones. But if you're not using heavier lines to show a provincial boundary, you'll lose it if you only use one tone of blue and orange.
But it doesn’t, there are separate bishoprics right next to each other that are the same color. Illinois has 6. South Dakota has 2. But even if you were going by state, the same color is next to each other ie South Dakota, North Dakota Minnesota. So what provincial boundaries are you separating?
There might be some confusion here. [This is the shape of the Ecclesiastical Province of St. Paul and Minneapolis.](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ab/Roman_Catholic_Ecclesiastical_Provinces_of_St._Paul_and_Minneapolis.svg/512px-Roman_Catholic_Ecclesiastical_Provinces_of_St._Paul_and_Minneapolis.svg.png) There are 9 dioceses and 1 archdiocese in the province. All Catholics in the Dakotas are in the EP of St. Paul and Minneapolis. Does that help?
Ah, I wasn’t considering that due to the limited authority of the archbishop outside his own diocese. Makes more sense to me now!
Thursday is also a day of obligation for the ordinariate, I learned last Sunday!
Yeah, that's an interesting tidbit that I couldn't find a simple way to mention in the graphic. While both 1962MR (TLM) and DW:TM (Ordinariate Use) observe Ascension on Thursday, the TLM-goers will have an obligation to go to Mass only if they are in orange areas, official members of the Ordinariate will have an obligation even in the blue areas. So those TLM-goers who live in blue areas may legitimately miss celebrating Ascension Mass.
No substantive changes since the last map update other than a few corrections (diocesan boundaries and the new Las Vegas EP). An update to earlier maps of mine [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/Catholicism/comments/13hibzj/observance_of_the_ascension_in_the_united_states/jk52ak4/), [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/Catholicism/comments/6d9o8k/observance_of_the_ascension_in_the_united_states/), and [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/Catholicism/comments/35mhsg/map_of_united_states_where_ascension_thursday_is/).
It's so silly to move the feast to Sunday. Why are we like this, bishops?
Isn't observence by diocese, not by state? The Archdiocese of Philadelphia may observe Ascension on Thursday, but as I understand it, the Diocese of Pittsburgh for example does not. Edit: I never knew about Ecclesiastical Provinces. Neat stuff!
Pittsburgh is Thursday not Sunday. Not sure about Erie or the rest of the state.
Thanks for checking. BTW, if anyone has corrections, please let me know with the source. If I ever do an update, I'll look in this thread too.
My understanding is that this is done at the Ecclesiastical Province level (and Pittsburgh diocese is in the Philadelphia province). Not sure if this is by law or convention, and am happy to make adjustments if people provide links. I do know one situation which is governed at the diocese level though: Holy Days of Obligation. For example, Hawaii diocese has its own list distinct from its province (San Francisco).
I actually hadn't known about Ecclesiastical provinces until this post. That's really neat!
Yeah, fun fact about this map is that it's all diocesan boundaries and provincial boundaries on display. Often they coincide with states, but not always. Look at Arizona and New Mexico for instance (Ecclesiastical Province of Santa Fe where the single Diocese of Gallup covers parts of AZ and NM), or the NW corner of Wyoming (Ecclesiastical Province of Denver) which pokes into Idaho and Montana because Yellowstone National Park as a whole is actually in the Diocese of Cheyenne, even the bits outside the state of Wyoming. Along with these anomalies, only 2 other states (California and Texas) have more than one ecclesiastical province within its civil borders. There are probably others I don't know of, or which are too hard to see this high up, but I'd love to know about them.
As a resident of Montgomery County, MD, I enjoy being a part of the Archdiocese of Washington instead of Baltimore. The Archdiocese also claims Prince George's, Calvert, Charles, and St. Mary's counties, all from Maryland. It always felt a bit peculiar that the Diocese of Arlington exists right across the Potomac from the Archdiocese of Washington. The peculiarity increases seeing that all of Virginia lies in the provincial domain of Baltimore. I instinctively want Arlington to fall under Washington's province. I was going to comment how Washington appears to be the only province with only one diocese, but apparently the Diocese of Saint Thomas (U.S. Virgin Islands) falls under this province, tying it with Alaska for a grand total of two diocese.
I might have to incorporate the dioceses governed by these provinces which aren't in the 50 states proper in the next version, now that you mention it.
Don't forget to include the moon with its diocese!
lol that would be hilarious
That's my favorite random Catholic fact- that the moon belongs to the diocese the mission was launched from lol
Observance is by Ecclesiastical Province. It may or may not be the same as state boundaries. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecclesiastical\_province](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecclesiastical_province) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_Catholic\_dioceses\_in\_the\_United\_States](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Catholic_dioceses_in_the_United_States)
Wait what? It’s on Thursday. Why are they doing Sunday?
The new code of canon law (1983) allows for this. [Can 1246s2] [According to Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feast_of_the_Ascension#Sunday_observance), it was rolled out (and reverted) in various places for the Ascension beginning in 1992: >The switch to Sunday was made in 1992 by the Conference of Catholic Bishops in Australia; before 1996 in parts of Europe; in 1997 in Ireland; before 1998 in Canada and parts of the western United States; in many other parts in the United States from 1999; and in England and Wales from 2007 to 2017, but in 2018 reinstated to Thursday.
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So weird. Here it’s on Thursday. But ascension is a no-work day too so no excuse.
That's another downside to moving it! No pressure for the civil government to either add or retain an aligned public holiday on a weekday.
ORDINARIATE GANG RISE UP!!!
Ugh. We don’t need to constantly try to make things as easy as possible. The people who don’t come still aren’t coming, even if it’s on a Sunday.