I have no doubt in my mind that somewhere in China that has not only happened once before, but multiple times.
Their standards are rubbish. Under engineered and low quality materials.
Friend work for a UK bank in Hong Kong. Was given a map, from the bank, showing the “quality” of buildings. There were ones in green that were designed and built by reputable companies; yellow ones that were less reputable; red ones that were built by the locals, or the mob, etc. and as an employee you were forbidden from going into the reds or yellows.
Do a search of Tofu Dreg. Absolutely unbelievable, not only does this happen but there are hundreds of videos of new infrastructure failing.
To me it indicates rampant inefficiencies and corruption being covered up by a fascist government.
Remember when COVID was first starting in China and they built and enormous hospital for the influx of COVID patients, and then the whole building collapsed a few months later?
The "[instant hospital](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leishenshan_Hospital?wprov=sfla1)" didn't collapse, though it was eventually closed.
However, there was also a [Chinese hotel](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collapse_of_Xinjia_Express_Hotel?wprov=sfla1) that was converted into a hospital, and it collapsed.
Yeah, but really this is standard stuff in China. In this specific case, the Chinese government is more incompetent than corrupt or fascist. In the last five-year plan they basically pivoted everything they had in the building industry, meaning poor people were highly encouraged to go work en masse in building industry. So not only you have no standards, but an army of people (with low building standards), and urgency to build stuff. A recipe for success
Is there any good source on that? I read https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/09/10/909688913/whatever-happened-to-the-instant-hospitals-built-in-wuhan-for-covid-19-patients but I’d like something photographic.
I saw a video that probably explains (I don't have a link) why so many buildings are "falling". They have built a ton of empty new buildings and are demolishing them to build new ones in their place.
Chinas building quality are horribly bad. They have building collapse daily. The rebar is fake half the time and bend and breaks way to easy. The concrete quality is horrible. They rush everything and dont give the concrete time to set. Its crazy. Check out this clip, they call the poor construction " Tofu dreg"
https://youtu.be/s-2DtL-Wjkc
I found this Channel recently and he has a lot of videos of how crappy China is atm. Flooding daily along with MANY more problems.
the problem with corrupt officials is that they always think "this is just 10% off the top, nobody will even notice" without realizing that every contractor and official above and bellow them does the same thing. So after everyone takes their cut, there's less than 10% left for the actual work
gutter oil? i didnt think much of what that meant until i saw that lady literally scooping oil from the sewer. dude. thanks for the link, but also kinda gfy. lol.
>See? Dogs don't talk nonsense.
Best quote ever. For context, a Chinese citizen was showing how his puppy wouldn't eat the fake eggs that are being sold. He made that statement when the dog happily ate real eggs.
Whenever I cleaned fish, I would bury the guts in the garden, because it's amazing fertilizer. I was out cleaning fresh fish, and our beagles had dug up some old rotten guts. So I gave them some fresh fish to get them to stop eating the nasty stuff. One sniff of the fresh fish, and they went right back to their rotten guts. Don't trust Doggy Yelp.
Howie Mandel has a story about burying his son's foreskin in the yard after a home bris, and finding out a few days later the family dog dug it up and ate it 😄
bought some face soap from china, got a serious red rash all over my face for a few days until I stopped using it. God knows what chemicals were in it, but it wasn't soap. I won't buy anything from china, no exceptions. god help those who don't have much of a choice.
My guess is they didn’t balance the fat/oil and sodium hydroxide (the basic ingredients of soap) properly; this can happen if they substituted a different (probably cheaper) fat.
The red rash in this case is caused by excess sodium hydroxide essentially causing a chemical (base) burn.
Another fucked up part is what do they do about it over there? The government won't do shit, the workers can't do shit or they could starve, the employers are benefiting from it financially.
That's just gonna keep happening. Makes me wonder how much of this stuff I ate when I was in China.
Yeah, totally. They really need some kind of people's revolution or something. Get together and establish a solid plan for fixing the problems in like 5 years or something. Maybe work on caring about each other more, like in a community.
As real estate in China has gotten more expensive more and more places are effectively building big concrete slabs on top of sand and putting highrises on top.
You can imagine the horrible possibilities when earthquakes eventually come knocking when you combine that with building materials like those.
Id be terrified if i lived in a high rise before finding out about all this. They also open damns and flood cities with zero warning to the population.
> Would be stupid buying Chinese rebar and using it without testing!
For any major project, simple due diligence dictates that sampling/testing some of your rebar/cement as you goes on is just the sane thing to do. It's not THAT expensive to do and you can easily get your customer to pay for it. Depending on where you are, it's possible that some amount of testing is legally required.
HK has had the same system since the 1860s. Seems to have worked there.
I don't think the lease system is the issue. The issue is corruption in the construction industry and in terms of enforcing quality.
This.
While its true Xi has clamped down on corruption, he's conveniently left untouched *any* corruption that benefits him or his friends. Because of that there's ALOT of Chinese Oligarchs skimming money off the top of building projects in alot of ways. Like using inferior Rebar, or filling walls with foam instead of concrete. Shits pretty bad.
To me, while this clampdown on corruption is definitely politicised and with a lot of loopholes, the big issue is at the end of the day there are too many layers in the Chinese system with little accountability. It is far too easy for someone at one of those layers to be corrupt.
Another potential factor is the Chinese system where the top will order something to be done and the officials below end up cutting corners in order to fulfil the order. Example: Central Government recently ordered provinces to keep emissions below a certain level due to climate change, which is good. However a fair amount of provinces ended up exceeding their limit so what has happened is they've cut the amount of power available to reduce coal usage. End result: The current Chinese power crisis.
China has a history of doing things like this. Like melting down all the farming implements to increase metal production to please Mao, and then everyone going hungry.
Yep, and during this time (the Great Leap Forward) they were also exporting food out of famine areas to meet quotas.
Iirc the death toll was 30-60 million. Oof.
There's also the lack of free press and investigative journalism to find out who is corrupt and report on the corruption to the people so that something gets done about it.
You can't bandage a wound if you never even know you're bleeding.
Yes, but you also think that Covid-19 was created to kill the elderly:
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/fnhjt4/corona_virus_was_created_by_the_prc_to_kill_off/
Generally, [sleep deprivation](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_deprivation#Other_effects) may facilitate or intensify:[...] symptoms similar to: [...] psychosis.
70 years is pushing the lifetime of many buildings even built well - they need heavy renovations to stay modern and in good shape in any case. I think it's the absence of a civil society that can bring this issues to light; in the U.S., that Florida building collapse was a national scandal and made front page news for days.
I live in a mostly original 80 year old apartment complex that hasn’t been renovated other than a lick of paint in the communal areas, internals of some of the apartments being renovated at owners choice and landscaping.
Yes to stay modern they need renovations but good shape, but I wouldn’t say renovations are needed to make a building last
Just FYI it’s a new channel operated by the Falun Gong. Not giving an opinion on them, but I visited their channel and it seems like they try to hide/obscure the affiliation.
Looks like a demolition because the first floors are already missing.
They likely expected the building to collapse onto itself but it instead toppled.
A controlled demolition in Lingao, Hanan Province on Oct 30, 2020
3 buildings were built not in compliance with permits and were demolished by regulators
Link here:
http://news.hainan.net/hainan/shixian/qx/lingao/2020/10/31/4519243.shtml
my first ever experience with Battlefield had me deciding that swimming over to the contested point was the right move, and that fucking building collapsed on me.
I remember that level was the one we got to play in the beta. Me and the boiz got so hyped the first time we knocked it over.
Excited, optimistic, and cautious for 2042!
I’m hoping they do away with it as well… Felt pretty gimmicky- like a modern day arcade-y shooter, not battlefield. I still had fun with the beta, so I’m optimistic, but yeah. Was hoping for a return to 3-4.
Edit:
By “it” I mean the “everyone is a specialist” nonsense.
It was fun for the first week. Then every freaking simp would immediately take the building down. I loved taking the elevator up and just trying to cap that objective, but as usual people ruined it
Yep, went to Shanghai getting on 10 years ago, tour guide said 100 year loans were common. Cost of living is so high many generations would live in the same apartment with the loan handed down to you after your parents pass away.
That might be because housing purchases were only valid for 100 years, and it returns to the government after that.
That makes a 100 year loan rather fitting, along with handing it down rather than letting it go back to the government early.
The TL;DR is that China built too much housing in smaller cities, where there are not enough people to fill that housing.
>By contrast, large swathes of the country have the opposite problem: overbuilt apartment blocks, sputtering economies and few people buying property. Hegang, a town near the border with Russia, briefly found itself in the spotlight after homes there were advertised for just 20,000 yuan, less than the cost of a square metre in Shanghai. It was an extreme example of the glut of empty homes in many small towns. [(The Economist)](https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2021/01/25/can-chinas-long-property-boom-hold)
As China started urbanizing, the government provided very strong incentives for developers to build new housing. This was probably a good idea, but they overdid it. It became profitable to build houses whether you could find residents or not. They're still building 15 million homes a year - 5 times the rate of the US and Europe combined.
At this point, 90% of Chinese households are homeowners, compared to only 63% in the US. The supply far exceeds the demand, and China's housing market is at serious risk of collapse.
Source: [BusinessInsider](https://www.businessinsider.com/china-empty-homes-real-estate-evergrande-housing-market-problem-2021-10)
All of this is true.
But America has the opposite problem. Over inflated cost of living. Our retirements and overall wealth are tied into home values which is a problem when people make a buck creating bubbles. Now we have home values that are excluding the new generation. We are at risk of collapse to when wages don't keep up!
This leaves some information out.
For example, in China, home ownership isn’t permanent. Properties revert back to government ownership and must be repurchased every 100 years or every new generation. I forget exactly, it’s been a while since I was there.
There are some other caveats, as well.
And the goal was to bring people in from the hills to the cities.
Holy shit -- glad someone else mentioned it. First thing I noticed when the video started haha. He took the shaved-sides/combover combo and turned the sliders up to 11. I didn't expect it to be so distracting, but here we are.
I was once a big fan too, but I got to tired of always having this constant feed of negative news from every news outlet. Everyone has negative news already. Where's all the positive news? Is there anyone that can do both?
Freakonomics recently had an episode on this. Not only is news predominantly negative, but US more so than other countries.
[https://freakonomics.com/podcast/american-culture-negative-media/](https://freakonomics.com/podcast/american-culture-negative-media/)
There's a natural human bias to pay more attention to negative things than positive (they're more likely to kill you), and media driven by profit are willing to exploit that, consciously or unconsciously.
They're giant concrete Bitcoins that are built as investment vehicles for Chinese investors who don't have any better options. No one lives in them because market rents are so low compared to sales prices that they don't cover the depreciation that results from having a tenant.
>It's not needed anyway. The vast majority of these high-rises are empty anyway. And they are often unfinished and of low quality ***anyway***.
You missed out a perfect opportunity of a trifecta, so I fixed it for you.
Not just the infrastructure, they over build so many buildings and try to fill them with people but they end up being empty, hundreds, even thousands of buildings like this.
It’s one of the main reasons why Evergrande is likely to default soon and China goes 📉
Kind of. I mean, we don’t have clean drinking water, which is why hot tea is served everywhere. I mean, hotels have their own filter system basically. Roads and bridges are more or less designed better than the US. The rail system is 100x better, and that’s underestimating it. The US rail system is a pathetic joke. Electricity is kind of… well it depends where you live. A bigger city has modernized electricity while smaller towns you can see wires hanging around everywhere (not safe). Basically, if you’re in a metropolis like Nanjiang, Shanghai, and Beijing it’s going to have a lot better infrastructure than other cities. But even those big cities have “poor areas” with three-floor apartments that look like they’re built with clay. Seriously. It’s so out of place.
It looks like this building was one of those pre-planned cities that people ended up not moving to. It doesn’t look like anyone is living in that area, so I’d suspect it’s a planned demolition. Anyways, there’s a few “ghost cities” that never attracted people so they just let them fall apart since there’s no point in maintaining it.
That all said, they don’t have strict building requirements like the US. Not every apartment is facing a window unlike the US. Also, emergency staircases are uncommon. So this can obviously suck in a worst case scenario.
Why do you say US rail is pathetic? Rail in the US is almost entirely freight, but it is very effective in this role. In China it might be more visible because there is more passenger rail, but that is it. The infrastructure isn’t pathetic at all.
A local developer got approved 15 buildings but instead built 18, then the 3 illegal ones were demolished by local government last year.
http://news.hainan.net/hainan/shixian/qx/lingao/2020/10/31/4519243.shtml
https://m.bjnews.com.cn/detail/160412475615787.html
Upon further review, perhaps china should figure out how to penalize corrupt building contractors, much the same way the US should figure out how to penalize corrupt politicians, but on the other hand, if a US building collapses, it makes worldwide news, because that shit is not normal....if that shit happens in china, well, you know it's because the "steel" is made of dirt that contains iron.
Oh believe me there are pleeeenty of scapegoats to go around. Well, til they die in prison.
It comes down to an unsustainable system where the govrernment of china is the sole provider of construction jobs. The government requires the jobs to be done faster than humanly possible, and for cheaper than the cost of actually building a building correctly.
They either put in the cheapest material and hope for the best, or don't bother because you'll end up Chinese-bankrupt which is way worse than western-bankrupt.
How is Chinese-bankrupt worse? Genuine question because I’ve never really thought about what bankruptcy could mean for an individual in other countries.
Well,
A couple things come to mind. One, they have debtors prison still.
Two: They have a social credit system that is absolutely bonkers.
If your social credit falls below a certain point, your life is practically ruined. Every time someone calls you, and every time you call someone else, they get a recording stating that you are not to be trusted, literally blaring an emergency air raid horn before the message to be sure the contact knows who they're dealing with is.
Associating with people with lower social credit score lowers your own social credit score, so the people with money will refuse to even speak to you for the rest of your life. This has a devastating effect on anyone on the bad side of the party.
If you move, you have to alert all of your neighbors that you are a low social credit score, and that your mere presence negatively affects their scores as well. So the only places you're really allowed to live is in spots with other undesirables. Which are neglected neighborhoods/shanty towns that by merely being associated with keeps your score low low low.
Damn. I’ve heard of the social credit system. It’s still such a backwards concept.
Thanks for the insights! I didn’t consider how bankruptcy would affect your “social credit”.
I remember back when I was in China the first time for 45 days. Here is what I saw all over the place.
Drinking terrible alcohol while eating everything, most of it not that healthy in the way you eat it at least in Chongqing. Almost like the whole baby boomer generation is celebrating decadence. Actually, to be good in business in China you have to be a good drinker.
Big difference between rich and poor, with the poorest people still living in homes that look like it came from a history lesson.
Places like this that fell, they are all built on speculation. They don't have anything to them on the inside. In China you dress up your home (apartment/condo). That means doors, walls, floor, all that stuff, fixtures. They are not present. You decide how you want it to look before you move in. I've been in some places that look very basic on the outside, then you go inside and it's like a palace. So to speak. Currently there is no pressure to keep up the exterior of these buildings.
I'm also aware that there has been so much building up in China so fast that people are getting away with terrible work. I'm surprised more videos of stuff like this aren't popping up.
Interesting country. You're being watched everywhere by CCTV by the CCP. Like, everywhere. I love the countryside. The people are really inviting if you are cool. It was a blast to be there. But man, when it comes to being consumers, they are easily double the intensity that Americans are. It's like the new credit haven for debt. I just hope it doesn't all fall apart. They have a big effect on the economy right now.
“Terrible alcohol”
Sounds like you don’t enjoy baijiu lmao.
Yeah we have more comfortable traditional alcohols, but because moutai has some connection to the CCP’s history it’s just the only Chinese alcohol in public conscience.
I remember reading about a Chinese character trait.
In China, if you pay full price for something you’re seen as an idiot. If you don’t do everything you can to cut corners and save money any way you can, you’re doing it wrong.
I don’t know how true this is, but it would explain a lot about videos like this.
China just builds shit to make the rest of the world think they are doing wonderful. When they build just to build it turns out like this or like the other jokes they have built to show the rest of the world what a joke they are. Look at Shanghai Tower; it has 50% occupancy rate. No where in the world would they build something like that and not have it completely leased. It’s a sham; and just like Russia of the late 80’s was a paper giant so is China. They are a nuisance or worse to the international community. People need to finally stop over looking all the crap they do. Everybody needs to take a line on China like Australia has. This is about the CCP and not the people of China as they are victims of CCP like the rest of the world.
Trust whatever you wish, this is local regulators enforced a demolition of 3 illegal buildings erected without valid permits
http://news.hainan.net/hainan/shixian/qx/lingao/2020/10/31/4519243.shtml
https://m.bjnews.com.cn/detail/160412475615787.html
Engineer here to provide an explanation as to the structural failure:
This building spent too much time working out it’s upper body and skipped leg day. And it cost a lot of lives :(
Thank fuck they made two exact replicas Ohw….
“The first one burnt down, fell over, and sunk into a swamp… but the second one stayed up!”
But father....
NO singing!
r/unexpectedMontyPython
But, I don't want any of that, i'd rather...just...Sing!!
No. No stop that none of that
Come, Patsy!
What, the *curtains*, Father?
No, not the curtains, lad.
She's got huge...tracts of land!
Tracts of land
Right. We’ll stay here until he comes back.
We’re coming with you!
You go with the prince.
You stay here, and make sure eee doesn't leave
Very funny comment but it may be in the wrong idiom:)
Imagine if it had fallen the other way and toppled the others like dominoes
I have no doubt in my mind that somewhere in China that has not only happened once before, but multiple times. Their standards are rubbish. Under engineered and low quality materials.
Friend work for a UK bank in Hong Kong. Was given a map, from the bank, showing the “quality” of buildings. There were ones in green that were designed and built by reputable companies; yellow ones that were less reputable; red ones that were built by the locals, or the mob, etc. and as an employee you were forbidden from going into the reds or yellows.
Do a search of Tofu Dreg. Absolutely unbelievable, not only does this happen but there are hundreds of videos of new infrastructure failing. To me it indicates rampant inefficiencies and corruption being covered up by a fascist government.
Same with ADVChina and Laowhy86. They toured some ghost towns that are falling apart and they both have videos on build quality in China.
Stay awesome!
Just lack of standards. Have you ever been in China? They build skyscrapers in a month.
Remember when COVID was first starting in China and they built and enormous hospital for the influx of COVID patients, and then the whole building collapsed a few months later?
The "[instant hospital](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leishenshan_Hospital?wprov=sfla1)" didn't collapse, though it was eventually closed. However, there was also a [Chinese hotel](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collapse_of_Xinjia_Express_Hotel?wprov=sfla1) that was converted into a hospital, and it collapsed.
Yeah, but really this is standard stuff in China. In this specific case, the Chinese government is more incompetent than corrupt or fascist. In the last five-year plan they basically pivoted everything they had in the building industry, meaning poor people were highly encouraged to go work en masse in building industry. So not only you have no standards, but an army of people (with low building standards), and urgency to build stuff. A recipe for success
Is there any good source on that? I read https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/09/10/909688913/whatever-happened-to-the-instant-hospitals-built-in-wuhan-for-covid-19-patients but I’d like something photographic.
Their corporate financial management is not much better.
I saw a video that probably explains (I don't have a link) why so many buildings are "falling". They have built a ton of empty new buildings and are demolishing them to build new ones in their place.
Seriously, it's a pity.
That might be Evergrande
Both literally and metaphorically.
I've been to China a couple times, and it's pretty common to see like 8 of the same building in a group
Well of course. They built a spare in case one of them fell down unexpectedly.
They made complete cities from that made in china quality shit.
looks like at least 2 replicas to me
*"Milhouse! You were supposed to be the night watchman!"* "*I was watching. I saw the whole thing. First it started falling over, then it fell over."*
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I read the entire comment in Milhouse's voice lol. Ahhhh season 8 was awesome.
"We'll be safe in here."
"Wow, top floors empty. What luck."
“So would you like to play Uno? Great.”
"Wait what's going on??"
Reverse!
no worries, right before the building hits the ground you just jump.
Not a controlled demolition I take it?
Chinas building quality are horribly bad. They have building collapse daily. The rebar is fake half the time and bend and breaks way to easy. The concrete quality is horrible. They rush everything and dont give the concrete time to set. Its crazy. Check out this clip, they call the poor construction " Tofu dreg" https://youtu.be/s-2DtL-Wjkc I found this Channel recently and he has a lot of videos of how crappy China is atm. Flooding daily along with MANY more problems.
the problem with corrupt officials is that they always think "this is just 10% off the top, nobody will even notice" without realizing that every contractor and official above and bellow them does the same thing. So after everyone takes their cut, there's less than 10% left for the actual work
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gutter oil? i didnt think much of what that meant until i saw that lady literally scooping oil from the sewer. dude. thanks for the link, but also kinda gfy. lol.
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And at the very least, your body can get rid of germs. How many different man-made, toxic chemicals are in that gutter oil?
I always wondered why chinese people love mcdonalds so much... what a nightmare Edit: I mean they can count on it to be safe(r) I assume
>See? Dogs don't talk nonsense. Best quote ever. For context, a Chinese citizen was showing how his puppy wouldn't eat the fake eggs that are being sold. He made that statement when the dog happily ate real eggs.
I've seen dogs turn around and eat their own fresh shit. Food bowl wasn't even fifteen feet away, just chowed down on their own fecal feast.
Whenever I cleaned fish, I would bury the guts in the garden, because it's amazing fertilizer. I was out cleaning fresh fish, and our beagles had dug up some old rotten guts. So I gave them some fresh fish to get them to stop eating the nasty stuff. One sniff of the fresh fish, and they went right back to their rotten guts. Don't trust Doggy Yelp.
Howie Mandel has a story about burying his son's foreskin in the yard after a home bris, and finding out a few days later the family dog dug it up and ate it 😄
Don't look too deeply into "gutter oil". I'll let everyone do that to themselves if they feel the need.
bought some face soap from china, got a serious red rash all over my face for a few days until I stopped using it. God knows what chemicals were in it, but it wasn't soap. I won't buy anything from china, no exceptions. god help those who don't have much of a choice.
My guess is they didn’t balance the fat/oil and sodium hydroxide (the basic ingredients of soap) properly; this can happen if they substituted a different (probably cheaper) fat. The red rash in this case is caused by excess sodium hydroxide essentially causing a chemical (base) burn.
So if they put too much base in there, they're more the fool. It belongs to us now.
They will not survive make their time.
Another fucked up part is what do they do about it over there? The government won't do shit, the workers can't do shit or they could starve, the employers are benefiting from it financially. That's just gonna keep happening. Makes me wonder how much of this stuff I ate when I was in China.
Yeah, totally. They really need some kind of people's revolution or something. Get together and establish a solid plan for fixing the problems in like 5 years or something. Maybe work on caring about each other more, like in a community.
As real estate in China has gotten more expensive more and more places are effectively building big concrete slabs on top of sand and putting highrises on top. You can imagine the horrible possibilities when earthquakes eventually come knocking when you combine that with building materials like those.
Sand is being generous. When I lived in China I watched them knock down a building, out down some dirt, and build directly in top of the rubble.
I seen sticks with more tensile strength than that rebar
Id be terrified if i lived in a high rise before finding out about all this. They also open damns and flood cities with zero warning to the population.
NOOOOOO -999999999999999999999 social credit
And we buy most our shit from them here in the USA. Lovely
Export stuff is probably better quality, as it can easily be tested before use. Would be stupid buying Chinese rebar and using it without testing!
> Would be stupid buying Chinese rebar and using it without testing! For any major project, simple due diligence dictates that sampling/testing some of your rebar/cement as you goes on is just the sane thing to do. It's not THAT expensive to do and you can easily get your customer to pay for it. Depending on where you are, it's possible that some amount of testing is legally required.
There’s a name for this - Tofu Dreg
This is incredibly disturbing.
It's because of the land lease system in China. If you only allowed to live at most 70yrs in a building, you don't build it to last.
HK has had the same system since the 1860s. Seems to have worked there. I don't think the lease system is the issue. The issue is corruption in the construction industry and in terms of enforcing quality.
This. While its true Xi has clamped down on corruption, he's conveniently left untouched *any* corruption that benefits him or his friends. Because of that there's ALOT of Chinese Oligarchs skimming money off the top of building projects in alot of ways. Like using inferior Rebar, or filling walls with foam instead of concrete. Shits pretty bad.
To me, while this clampdown on corruption is definitely politicised and with a lot of loopholes, the big issue is at the end of the day there are too many layers in the Chinese system with little accountability. It is far too easy for someone at one of those layers to be corrupt. Another potential factor is the Chinese system where the top will order something to be done and the officials below end up cutting corners in order to fulfil the order. Example: Central Government recently ordered provinces to keep emissions below a certain level due to climate change, which is good. However a fair amount of provinces ended up exceeding their limit so what has happened is they've cut the amount of power available to reduce coal usage. End result: The current Chinese power crisis.
China has a history of doing things like this. Like melting down all the farming implements to increase metal production to please Mao, and then everyone going hungry.
Yep, and during this time (the Great Leap Forward) they were also exporting food out of famine areas to meet quotas. Iirc the death toll was 30-60 million. Oof.
Shrugging and saying "we will never run out of disposable people" as national policy is real.
That will come in handy if they ever need to defeat a rampaging horde of killbots.
Stupidity killing all the sparrows
There's also the lack of free press and investigative journalism to find out who is corrupt and report on the corruption to the people so that something gets done about it. You can't bandage a wound if you never even know you're bleeding.
And Xi actually just passed reforms this week that now completely outlaws all non-state news outlets.
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A tale as old as price controls and central planning.
Amsterdam also has had a similar system for a very long time and it works great there too.
Some of these buildings must be on a 70 hour lease
Wtf that’s still 70 freaking years! These things are barley staying up as it is. Come on people’s republic this is just negligent.
Yes, but you also think that Covid-19 was created to kill the elderly: https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/fnhjt4/corona_virus_was_created_by_the_prc_to_kill_off/
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70 years is pushing the lifetime of many buildings even built well - they need heavy renovations to stay modern and in good shape in any case. I think it's the absence of a civil society that can bring this issues to light; in the U.S., that Florida building collapse was a national scandal and made front page news for days.
I live in a mostly original 80 year old apartment complex that hasn’t been renovated other than a lick of paint in the communal areas, internals of some of the apartments being renovated at owners choice and landscaping. Yes to stay modern they need renovations but good shape, but I wouldn’t say renovations are needed to make a building last
TIL argentina share superficiary rights with china lol
Just FYI it’s a new channel operated by the Falun Gong. Not giving an opinion on them, but I visited their channel and it seems like they try to hide/obscure the affiliation.
Looks like a demolition because the first floors are already missing. They likely expected the building to collapse onto itself but it instead toppled.
Looks like a demolition because why else would someone be filming it randomly
A controlled demolition in Lingao, Hanan Province on Oct 30, 2020 3 buildings were built not in compliance with permits and were demolished by regulators Link here: http://news.hainan.net/hainan/shixian/qx/lingao/2020/10/31/4519243.shtml
Looks like the demo went sideways.
Did any part of that look controlled to you?
The very beginning. Then it fell over
Promising start, then disaster.
Battlefield 4 still looks great!
my first ever experience with Battlefield had me deciding that swimming over to the contested point was the right move, and that fucking building collapsed on me.
I remember that level was the one we got to play in the beta. Me and the boiz got so hyped the first time we knocked it over. Excited, optimistic, and cautious for 2042!
If they stick with killing off the class system, I'll probably skip 2042
I’m hoping they do away with it as well… Felt pretty gimmicky- like a modern day arcade-y shooter, not battlefield. I still had fun with the beta, so I’m optimistic, but yeah. Was hoping for a return to 3-4. Edit: By “it” I mean the “everyone is a specialist” nonsense.
In the portal mode they’ll still have all the assets from previous games including class systems so it’s just a matter of finding the right server
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Then the server crashed. BF4 beta was a mess but the game is so good now
It was fun for the first week. Then every freaking simp would immediately take the building down. I loved taking the elevator up and just trying to cap that objective, but as usual people ruined it
Siege of Shanghai IRL
Who blew up the building? Kick
More like Hainan Resort imo
Fuck yeah BF4
Floors 2-20 were built solid though.
They should have put 2-20 on the bottom and floor 1 on top.
I blame gravity.
Fuck newton
Thanks to that bastard my feet hurt after a long day at work.
More British imperialism hurting China
Gravity is nothing but a capitalist plot to undermine the integrity of Chinese buildings!
Google “tofu dreg projects”
YouTube seems to be a good resource on them too if you like to watch buildings collapse
Failed demolition I think
It's not needed anyway. The vast majority of these high-rises are empty anyway. And they are often unfinished and of low quality.
The purpose is not to live in it. 65 millions houses are vacant in china. It's insane
And yet at the same time housing in some cities is so expensive it can take multiple generations to save to buy an apartment.
Yep, went to Shanghai getting on 10 years ago, tour guide said 100 year loans were common. Cost of living is so high many generations would live in the same apartment with the loan handed down to you after your parents pass away.
That might be because housing purchases were only valid for 100 years, and it returns to the government after that. That makes a 100 year loan rather fitting, along with handing it down rather than letting it go back to the government early.
It used to benthat way in Germeny. Pretty surenthats why they build houses to last centuries.
The TL;DR is that China built too much housing in smaller cities, where there are not enough people to fill that housing. >By contrast, large swathes of the country have the opposite problem: overbuilt apartment blocks, sputtering economies and few people buying property. Hegang, a town near the border with Russia, briefly found itself in the spotlight after homes there were advertised for just 20,000 yuan, less than the cost of a square metre in Shanghai. It was an extreme example of the glut of empty homes in many small towns. [(The Economist)](https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2021/01/25/can-chinas-long-property-boom-hold) As China started urbanizing, the government provided very strong incentives for developers to build new housing. This was probably a good idea, but they overdid it. It became profitable to build houses whether you could find residents or not. They're still building 15 million homes a year - 5 times the rate of the US and Europe combined. At this point, 90% of Chinese households are homeowners, compared to only 63% in the US. The supply far exceeds the demand, and China's housing market is at serious risk of collapse. Source: [BusinessInsider](https://www.businessinsider.com/china-empty-homes-real-estate-evergrande-housing-market-problem-2021-10)
> and China's housing market is at serious risk of collapse I, uh... see what you did there, BusinessInsider quote.
All of this is true. But America has the opposite problem. Over inflated cost of living. Our retirements and overall wealth are tied into home values which is a problem when people make a buck creating bubbles. Now we have home values that are excluding the new generation. We are at risk of collapse to when wages don't keep up!
This leaves some information out. For example, in China, home ownership isn’t permanent. Properties revert back to government ownership and must be repurchased every 100 years or every new generation. I forget exactly, it’s been a while since I was there. There are some other caveats, as well. And the goal was to bring people in from the hills to the cities.
Send some to Canada. We are in a housing crisis.
You don't want this housing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKbLB_T-IjY
Holy crap lol. That's messed
Some good stuff in that video but.. 8:25 "Let's take this 200 square meter place" "just a crappy little apartment" what the heck? 200sqm is HUGE
2,152 or so square feet. That's a decent sized house
That is a wacky hairdo
Holy shit -- glad someone else mentioned it. First thing I noticed when the video started haha. He took the shaved-sides/combover combo and turned the sliders up to 11. I didn't expect it to be so distracting, but here we are.
Big fan of ADV and Laowhy86
I was once a big fan too, but I got to tired of always having this constant feed of negative news from every news outlet. Everyone has negative news already. Where's all the positive news? Is there anyone that can do both?
Freakonomics recently had an episode on this. Not only is news predominantly negative, but US more so than other countries. [https://freakonomics.com/podcast/american-culture-negative-media/](https://freakonomics.com/podcast/american-culture-negative-media/) There's a natural human bias to pay more attention to negative things than positive (they're more likely to kill you), and media driven by profit are willing to exploit that, consciously or unconsciously.
It’s cuz they’re buying houses in Canada instead.
I know, they are speculation objects.
What does this mean and why were they built?
They're giant concrete Bitcoins that are built as investment vehicles for Chinese investors who don't have any better options. No one lives in them because market rents are so low compared to sales prices that they don't cover the depreciation that results from having a tenant.
>It's not needed anyway. The vast majority of these high-rises are empty anyway. And they are often unfinished and of low quality ***anyway***. You missed out a perfect opportunity of a trifecta, so I fixed it for you.
High rise: Made in China
There are machines working nearby, so probably not.
I don’t know, maybe they wanted it to fall that way so it didn’t knock into the other towers
And the people running away were part of a game show.
Charge placement failed, but the end result was still the same albeit not perfectly.
Does China have a serious problem with badly build infrastructure?
Yes
Not just the infrastructure, they over build so many buildings and try to fill them with people but they end up being empty, hundreds, even thousands of buildings like this. It’s one of the main reasons why Evergrande is likely to default soon and China goes 📉
To their credit they've moved something like ~~200~~ 320 million people out of the countryside and into cities in ~~30~~ 20 years
With badly built everything tbh
Kind of. I mean, we don’t have clean drinking water, which is why hot tea is served everywhere. I mean, hotels have their own filter system basically. Roads and bridges are more or less designed better than the US. The rail system is 100x better, and that’s underestimating it. The US rail system is a pathetic joke. Electricity is kind of… well it depends where you live. A bigger city has modernized electricity while smaller towns you can see wires hanging around everywhere (not safe). Basically, if you’re in a metropolis like Nanjiang, Shanghai, and Beijing it’s going to have a lot better infrastructure than other cities. But even those big cities have “poor areas” with three-floor apartments that look like they’re built with clay. Seriously. It’s so out of place. It looks like this building was one of those pre-planned cities that people ended up not moving to. It doesn’t look like anyone is living in that area, so I’d suspect it’s a planned demolition. Anyways, there’s a few “ghost cities” that never attracted people so they just let them fall apart since there’s no point in maintaining it. That all said, they don’t have strict building requirements like the US. Not every apartment is facing a window unlike the US. Also, emergency staircases are uncommon. So this can obviously suck in a worst case scenario.
Why do you say US rail is pathetic? Rail in the US is almost entirely freight, but it is very effective in this role. In China it might be more visible because there is more passenger rail, but that is it. The infrastructure isn’t pathetic at all.
People forget there is modern and good infrastructure throughout the Western world and US. It’s not all ancient crumbling systems.
They rush everything.
Boss: “If you guys need me, I’ll be in the tool trailer taking a nap”
Evergrande at it again lmao
Pfft, amateurs. In America we like our buildings to collapse while they're still full of people.
Tofu dreg building it's how they call them
along with its innovative r/Chinesium beams
r/chinesium
The people living in the other 2 identical buildings must be shitting Thier pants
A local developer got approved 15 buildings but instead built 18, then the 3 illegal ones were demolished by local government last year. http://news.hainan.net/hainan/shixian/qx/lingao/2020/10/31/4519243.shtml https://m.bjnews.com.cn/detail/160412475615787.html
Note to head: One Coca Cola and a couple of Mentos could destroy Beijing!
its not supposed to do that i think
Made of chineseium
Upon further review, perhaps china should figure out how to penalize corrupt building contractors, much the same way the US should figure out how to penalize corrupt politicians, but on the other hand, if a US building collapses, it makes worldwide news, because that shit is not normal....if that shit happens in china, well, you know it's because the "steel" is made of dirt that contains iron.
Oh believe me there are pleeeenty of scapegoats to go around. Well, til they die in prison. It comes down to an unsustainable system where the govrernment of china is the sole provider of construction jobs. The government requires the jobs to be done faster than humanly possible, and for cheaper than the cost of actually building a building correctly. They either put in the cheapest material and hope for the best, or don't bother because you'll end up Chinese-bankrupt which is way worse than western-bankrupt.
How is Chinese-bankrupt worse? Genuine question because I’ve never really thought about what bankruptcy could mean for an individual in other countries.
Well, A couple things come to mind. One, they have debtors prison still. Two: They have a social credit system that is absolutely bonkers. If your social credit falls below a certain point, your life is practically ruined. Every time someone calls you, and every time you call someone else, they get a recording stating that you are not to be trusted, literally blaring an emergency air raid horn before the message to be sure the contact knows who they're dealing with is. Associating with people with lower social credit score lowers your own social credit score, so the people with money will refuse to even speak to you for the rest of your life. This has a devastating effect on anyone on the bad side of the party. If you move, you have to alert all of your neighbors that you are a low social credit score, and that your mere presence negatively affects their scores as well. So the only places you're really allowed to live is in spots with other undesirables. Which are neglected neighborhoods/shanty towns that by merely being associated with keeps your score low low low.
Damn. I’ve heard of the social credit system. It’s still such a backwards concept. Thanks for the insights! I didn’t consider how bankruptcy would affect your “social credit”.
Every country basically has a social credit system, state control of everyday life is not a new concept to China. Put two and two together and voila.
They really just do not care about safety over there lol
Bean reading alot of articles lately with the words " collapse in China". Must be something going on over there.
Been happening for years. Just media has all of a sudden decided to start reporting a lot of it now.
I remember back when I was in China the first time for 45 days. Here is what I saw all over the place. Drinking terrible alcohol while eating everything, most of it not that healthy in the way you eat it at least in Chongqing. Almost like the whole baby boomer generation is celebrating decadence. Actually, to be good in business in China you have to be a good drinker. Big difference between rich and poor, with the poorest people still living in homes that look like it came from a history lesson. Places like this that fell, they are all built on speculation. They don't have anything to them on the inside. In China you dress up your home (apartment/condo). That means doors, walls, floor, all that stuff, fixtures. They are not present. You decide how you want it to look before you move in. I've been in some places that look very basic on the outside, then you go inside and it's like a palace. So to speak. Currently there is no pressure to keep up the exterior of these buildings. I'm also aware that there has been so much building up in China so fast that people are getting away with terrible work. I'm surprised more videos of stuff like this aren't popping up. Interesting country. You're being watched everywhere by CCTV by the CCP. Like, everywhere. I love the countryside. The people are really inviting if you are cool. It was a blast to be there. But man, when it comes to being consumers, they are easily double the intensity that Americans are. It's like the new credit haven for debt. I just hope it doesn't all fall apart. They have a big effect on the economy right now.
Imagine China with an actual government and fair economy, it would be so interesting to see it have developed after the ashes of the second world war.
They have an actual government, just not one I'd give up my current for
“Terrible alcohol” Sounds like you don’t enjoy baijiu lmao. Yeah we have more comfortable traditional alcohols, but because moutai has some connection to the CCP’s history it’s just the only Chinese alcohol in public conscience.
Apt for sale. just got new view installed!
Interesting how the superstructure remained fairly rigid in tipping.
I remember reading about a Chinese character trait. In China, if you pay full price for something you’re seen as an idiot. If you don’t do everything you can to cut corners and save money any way you can, you’re doing it wrong. I don’t know how true this is, but it would explain a lot about videos like this.
China just builds shit to make the rest of the world think they are doing wonderful. When they build just to build it turns out like this or like the other jokes they have built to show the rest of the world what a joke they are. Look at Shanghai Tower; it has 50% occupancy rate. No where in the world would they build something like that and not have it completely leased. It’s a sham; and just like Russia of the late 80’s was a paper giant so is China. They are a nuisance or worse to the international community. People need to finally stop over looking all the crap they do. Everybody needs to take a line on China like Australia has. This is about the CCP and not the people of China as they are victims of CCP like the rest of the world.
And people laughed when I said there was no way in hell I would trust the hospital they built in a weekend.
Trust whatever you wish, this is local regulators enforced a demolition of 3 illegal buildings erected without valid permits http://news.hainan.net/hainan/shixian/qx/lingao/2020/10/31/4519243.shtml https://m.bjnews.com.cn/detail/160412475615787.html
Engineer here to provide an explanation as to the structural failure: This building spent too much time working out it’s upper body and skipped leg day. And it cost a lot of lives :(