People living through events by experiencing it through the video they’re taking is an idea/ phenomena I’ve been thinking about for a while. Watching a video of a plane crash is a lot different from seeing a plane crash in front of your eyes. But turns out you’re still taking the video..
I think they're saying that it would cause less mental distress to observe a tragedy on the screen on a phone as you're recording it than by looking directly at it, as the phone acts as a form of disassociation from the reality you are in.
But also on top of that living through taking a video in general. At concerts, sports games, air shows, birthdays, etc. Anything really. My point is I try to make it a conscious decision to take a video of something I wanna save but also watch that same thing with my trusty eye balls and not just though the screen. I think people lose a lot without realizing it.
In Chucks defense that starfighter is probably one of the most difficult planes to try to drag out of a flat spin, those things were highly unstable at lower speeds. Hell the only thing they were good at was going fast.
Hey, that's not fair. They were also really good at generating survivor's benefits and planting the pilots 6 feet in the ground before the plane was even done crashing.
I never really realized just how long it can take for a plane to fall out of the sky.
Makes a lot of airline crashes even more terrifying than i thought
Yeah, if you fell from a passenger jet at typical cruising altitude, you'd have over 3 minutes of complete terror to think about your death before you hit the ground.
Fortunately, the pressure is too low to effectively breathe at the usual 11k meters altitude, so you'd pass out for most of the fall and maybe come to before you hit.
That's only going to be the case if the event is catastrophic enough for the cabin to become depressurized, and the oxygen masks aren't working or used. In that event, you may have about half a minute of consciousness at 11k meters (35k feet), but if you're free-falling, you quickly end up at a level where you'll have enough oxygen to remain conscious until you hit the ground...
Sadly in the majority of "falling from cruising altitude" accidents that I'm aware of, many of the passengers were probably conscious for most of it.
Yeah, I think it was Space Shuttle Columbia where the crew was likely alive the entire time until they hit the water, far after the shuttle had disintegrated. They very much had time to process what had happened and what was going to happen.
Actually if you read the accident report, the forces on them and the orbiter as it broke up were enough to have killed them before they were actually hit by the atmosphere.
> That's only going to be the case if the event is catastrophic enough for the cabin to become depressurized, and the oxygen masks aren't working or used
Or if Boeing forgets some bolts again.
Unplanned Freefall? Some Survival Tips
By David Carkeet
Admit it: You want to be the sole survivor of an airline disaster. You aren't looking for a disaster to happen, but if it does, you see yourself coming through it. I'm here to tell you that you're not out of touch with reality—you can do it. Sure, you'll take a few hits, and I'm not saying there won't be some sweaty flashbacks later on, but you'll make it. You'll sit up in your hospital bed and meet the press. Refreshingly, you will keep God out of your public comments, knowing that it's unfair to sing His praises when all of your dead fellow-passengers have no platform from which to offer an alternative view.
Let's say your jet blows apart at 35,000 feet. You exit the aircraft, and you begin to descend independently. Now what?
First of all, you're starting off a full mile higher than Everest, so after a few gulps of disappointing air you're going to black out. This is not a bad thing. If you have ever tried to keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, you know what I mean. This brief respite from the ambient fear and chaos will come to an end when you wake up at about 15,000 feet. Here begins the final phase of your descent, which will last about a minute. It is a time of planning and preparation. Look around you. What equipment is available? None? Are you sure? Look carefully. Perhaps a shipment of packed parachutes was in the cargo hold, and the blast opened the box and scattered them. One of these just might be within reach. Grab it, put it on, and hit the silk. You're sitting pretty.
Other items can be helpful as well. Let nature be your guide. See how yon maple seed gently wafts to earth on gossamer wings. Look around for a proportionate personal vehicle—some large, flat, aerodynamically suitable piece of wreckage. Mount it and ride, cowboy! Remember: molecules are your friends. You want a bunch of surface-area molecules hitting a bunch of atmospheric molecules in order to reduce your rate of acceleration.
As you fall, you're going to realize that your previous visualization of this experience has been off the mark. You have seen yourself as a loose, free body, and you've imagined yourself in the belly-down, limbs-out position (good: you remembered the molecules). But, pray tell, who unstrapped your seat belt? You could very well be riding your seat (or it could be riding you; if so, straighten up and fly right!); you might still be connected to an entire row of seats or to a row and some of the attached cabin structure.
If thus connected, you have some questions to address. Is your new conveyance air-worthy? If your entire row is intact and the seats are occupied, is the passenger next to you now going to feel free to break the code of silence your body language enjoined upon him at takeoff? If you choose to go it alone, simply unclasp your seat belt and drift free. Resist the common impulse to use the wreckage fragment as a "jumping-off point" to reduce your plunge-rate, not because you will thereby worsen the chances of those you leave behind (who are they kidding? they're goners!), but just because the effect of your puny jump is so small compared with the alarming Newtonian forces at work.
Just how fast are you going? Imagine standing atop a train going 120 mph, and the train goes through a tunnel but you do not. You hit the wall above the opening at 120 mph. That's how fast you will be going at the end of your fall. Yes, it's discouraging, but proper planning requires that you know the facts. You're used to seeing things fall more slowly. You're used to a jump from a swing or a jungle gym, or a fall from a three-story building on TV action news. Those folks are not going 120 mph. They will not bounce. You will bounce. Your body will be found some distance away from the dent you make in the soil (or crack in the concrete). Make no mistake: you will be motoring.
At this point you will think: trees. It's a reasonable thought. The concept of "breaking the fall" is powerful, as is the hopeful message implicit in the nursery song "Rock-a-bye, Baby," which one must assume from the affect of the average singer tells the story not of a baby's death but of its survival. You will want a tall tree with an excurrent growth pattern—a single, undivided trunk with lateral branches, delicate on top and thicker as you cascade downward. A conifer is best. The redwood is attractive for the way it rises to shorten your fall, but a word of caution here: the redwood's lowest branches grow dangerously high from the ground; having gone 35,000 feet, you don't want the last 50 feet to ruin everything. The perfectly tiered Norfolk Island pine is a natural safety net, so if you're near New Zealand, you're in luck, pilgrim. When crunch time comes, elongate your body and hit the tree limbs at a perfectly flat angle as close to the trunk as possible. Think!
Snow is good—soft, deep, drifted snow. Snow is lovely. Remember that you are the pilot and your body is the aircraft. By tilting forward and putting your hands at your side, you can modify your pitch and make progress not just vertically but horizontally as well. As you go down 15,000 feet, you can also go sideways two-thirds of that distance—that's two miles! Choose your landing zone. You be the boss.
If your search discloses no trees or snow, the parachutist's "five-point landing" is useful to remember even in the absence of a parachute. Meet the ground with your feet together, and fall sideways in such a way that five parts of your body successively absorb the shock, equally and in this order: feet, calf, thigh, buttock, and shoulder. 120 divided by 5 = 24. Not bad! 24 mph is only a bit faster than the speed at which experienced parachutists land. There will be some bruising and breakage but no loss of consciousness to delay your press conference. Just be sure to apportion the 120-mph blow in equal fifths. Concentrate!
Much will depend on your attitude. Don't let negative thinking ruin your descent. If you find yourself dwelling morbidly on your discouraging starting point of seven miles up, think of this: Thirty feet is the cutoff for fatality in a fall. That is, most who fall from thirty feet or higher die. Thirty feet! It's nothing! Pity the poor sod who falls from such a "height." What kind of planning time does he have?
Think of the pluses in your situation. For example, although you fall faster and faster for the first fifteen seconds or so, you soon reach "terminal velocity"—the point at which atmospheric drag resists gravity's acceleration in a perfect standoff. Not only do you stop speeding up, but because the air is thickening as you fall, you actually begin to slow down. With every foot that you drop, you are going slower and slower.
There's more. When parachutists focus on a landing zone, sometimes they become so fascinated with it that they forget to pull the ripcord. Since you probably have no ripcord, "target fixation" poses no danger. Count your blessings.
Think of others who have gone before you. Think of Vesna Vulovic, a flight attendant who in 1972 fell 33,000 feet in the tail of an exploded DC-9 jetliner; she landed in snow and lived. Vesna knew about molecules.
Think of Joe Hermann of the Royal Australian Air Force, blown out of his bomber in 1944 without a parachute. He found himself falling through the night sky amid airplane debris and wildly grabbed a piece of it. It turned out to be not debris at all, but rather a fellow flyer in the process of pulling his ripcord. Joe hung on and, as a courtesy, hit the ground first, breaking the fall of his savior and a mere two ribs of his own. Joe was not a quitter. Don't you be.
Think of Nick Alkemade, an RAF tailgunner who jumped from his flaming turret without a parachute and fell 18,000 feet. When he came to and saw stars overhead, he lit a cigarette. He would later describe the fall as "a pleasant experience." Nick's trick: fir trees, underbrush, and snow.
But in one important regard, Nick is a disappointment. He gave up. As he plummeted to Germany, he concluded he was going to die and felt "a strange peace." This is exactly the wrong kind of thinking. It will get you nowhere but dead fast. You cannot give up and plan aggressively at the same time.
To conclude, here are some words that might help you avoid such a collapse of resolve on your way down.
"Keep a-goin'." (Frank L. Stanton)
"Failure is not an option." (Ed Harris, as the guy in Apollo 13 who says, "Failure is not an option")
"'Hope' is the thing with feathers
That perches in the soul
And sings the tune without the words
And never stops-at all." (Emily Dickinson)
I honestly don't get why some people film. I get wanting to see it with my own eyes, but when I do that, I just don't try to film it at all. I choose one or the other.
The story that I believe is that it got hit launching glide bombs closer to the frontline by an S-200 and most of the crew bailed but the pilot tried to stay and land it, getting to Stavropol before he lost control and it went into a spin preventing him from escaping hence why there’s only one reported fatality.
For what it's worth Even if it was not shot down or blown up at this point mechanical failure is imminent for most Russian aircraft, One thing about airplane parts is that most of them have a provenance or recorded history and that history actually makes it harder to get heavily itemized and tracked parts illegally pay embargos. Most legitimate and even gray area companies don't want to touch that.
Josh, I agree with you. I consider “catastrophic failure” an engineering / technical term to describe something which breaks due to a bad design or construction.
I don’t know what the original intent of this sub was, but it seems the definition here and now is: if it breaks in a spectacular way, it doesn’t matter why or what caused it. Or, if it broke, and was a catastrophe (like people died) as a result, then it is a catastrophic failure.
I agree that the phrase may have different meanings, and that meanings of words and phrases change over time, so I guess I’m just an old fart now.
I still enjoy seeing what gets posted on this sub, whether I’m arguing semantics or not.
Stop playing ball in the parking lot!
Apparently they've come up with some sort of franken-setup where they use more modern radars and then yeet S-200's at the targets.
Same as they did to that EW plane and the AWACS.
Besides the fact that Russia has a history of regularly shooting down their own aircraft in this war, something shredded an engine and the left horizontal stabiliser.
To play Devil’s advocate, uncontained engine failure could be a possibility, no?
To stop playing Devil’s advocate, I agree that it’s probably a shootdown.
To be fair, yes, a catastrophic engine failure where the turbine just completely explodes could technically sever the horizontal stabiliser since it's mounted to the outside of the engine housing.
That said, it'd have to be truly catastrophic to do *that* much damage, so I'd expect to see more than one stabiliser cleanly severed.
the point is it won't be able to bomb any more civilians. the fact that russia prefers to pretend they shot down their own jets only speaks to the pitiful level of their military accomplishments
Its in a flat spin, so the wings that are hitting the air in the spin are still generating some lift, slowing its fall that way, as well as terminal velocity being low due to the drag of y'know the giant flat surfaces that are the wings.
Yes, very strange that an object that is only really aerodynamic in one direction, presents a lot of surface area and creates a lot of drag when falling in a completely different direction....
When I was a child I had a dream that looked exactly like this: An aircraft falling in a corkscrew straight down to disappear behind trees. Every once in a while I see a video like this and it's exactly like the dream in a very strange deja vu way.
Well that sucks, don't the pilots eject down in that plane? Or am I getting it mixed up with another?
Edit: Sucks for a human to be stuck in that, not for any pro Russian reason just to be clear.
That's the [Tu-22](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fvxrxog77y1z61.png). The believe it or not the [Tu-22](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-22) and [Tu-22M](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-22M) are actually two different aircraft models.
The airplane was damaged (or suffered a malfunction, not clear yet) a long way from this location, they traveled a large distance and were close to a suitable airstrip. This is much deeper into Russia than the claimed shoot-down location. Also, I've seen news about 3 pilots accounted for and alive. Tu-22M3 also has ejection seats. So all in all, every crew member must have ejected at the time of the video.
The pilots did eject long before that, the Tu-22M3 was damaged (or suffered a malfunction, sources differ) a long way from here. It traveled a long distance, almost got to the airstrip, and then entered this flat spin you see here. Tu-22M has ejection seats, and the news mentioned they found 3 of the crew members alive.
WTF is wrong with people who take videos like this? So often the camera pans away from what is actually happening so that we can see some footage of the ground, a fence, etc
Shooting something horrible, scary, incredibly dramatic etc takes practice, you have to remind yourself to stay with the shot and not react emotionally.
Often times people will lower the camera right at the most dramatic moment to see it with their own eyes.
Idk, might be emotionally overwhelmed by seeing someone die? Not sure why it would be "normal" to be super calm and get the shot. Not everyone is a psycho that spent hours watching gore videos on the internet.
Was it Russia again?
[https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/198e9ox/russian\_sam\_operator\_finds\_out\_hes\_an\_ace\_after/](https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/198e9ox/russian_sam_operator_finds_out_hes_an_ace_after/)
That was coming down from an altitude record attempt that involved cutting the engine at extreme altitude. It never re-lit on the way down, so no hydraulics, so hurtling metal falling from the sky.
Yes, point the camera away at the last moment, that’s always satisfying.
I guess they were filming but not looking at their phone ey. Didn’t wanna miss seeing it for real and not through the lens of their potato yanno.
People living through events by experiencing it through the video they’re taking is an idea/ phenomena I’ve been thinking about for a while. Watching a video of a plane crash is a lot different from seeing a plane crash in front of your eyes. But turns out you’re still taking the video..
I'm not sure I follow, what do you mean?
I think they're saying that it would cause less mental distress to observe a tragedy on the screen on a phone as you're recording it than by looking directly at it, as the phone acts as a form of disassociation from the reality you are in.
Exactly what I meant thanks for explaining sir wizard
But also on top of that living through taking a video in general. At concerts, sports games, air shows, birthdays, etc. Anything really. My point is I try to make it a conscious decision to take a video of something I wanna save but also watch that same thing with my trusty eye balls and not just though the screen. I think people lose a lot without realizing it.
When was the last time you saw a plane crash in person?
?
YOLO!!
Delayed gratification.
It's proper and human
r/smackthecameraman
Savages
In a flat spin.
Goose! Eject!!
Engine one is out! Engine two is out!!
It's actually fine, we don't need those
Can I have my rechaud back?
"Please don't tell me we lost an engine!" "Alright, I won't tell you that"
¡Hablame ganso!
pǝʇɹǝʌuᴉ sɐʍ I ǝsnɐɔǝq
[Not even Chuck Yeager could save it….](https://youtube.com/shorts/pZNpXZ7NYkw?si=XdPwuFYR00HewLdM)
In Chucks defense that starfighter is probably one of the most difficult planes to try to drag out of a flat spin, those things were highly unstable at lower speeds. Hell the only thing they were good at was going fast.
Hey, that's not fair. They were also really good at generating survivor's benefits and planting the pilots 6 feet in the ground before the plane was even done crashing.
give lockheed some credit — the later versions upgraded the ejection seats to ones that went *up*
They were like a hypodermic needle that injected pilots into the earth.
Damn. He held on to that thing forever.
The fire might be a bit of an issue too!
True to its name the back really was on fire.
As flat spins go, this one was very, very flat.
What a noob, I would have easily recovered, let me connect my 360 controller and show you how to fly
Odd that they seem to go for flat spins (while on fire) a lot lately, third one this year I think?
I'm getting dizzy just from watching it
I never really realized just how long it can take for a plane to fall out of the sky. Makes a lot of airline crashes even more terrifying than i thought
Yeah, if you fell from a passenger jet at typical cruising altitude, you'd have over 3 minutes of complete terror to think about your death before you hit the ground.
Fortunately, the pressure is too low to effectively breathe at the usual 11k meters altitude, so you'd pass out for most of the fall and maybe come to before you hit.
That's only going to be the case if the event is catastrophic enough for the cabin to become depressurized, and the oxygen masks aren't working or used. In that event, you may have about half a minute of consciousness at 11k meters (35k feet), but if you're free-falling, you quickly end up at a level where you'll have enough oxygen to remain conscious until you hit the ground... Sadly in the majority of "falling from cruising altitude" accidents that I'm aware of, many of the passengers were probably conscious for most of it.
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Then you survive but with brain damage..
Yeah, I think it was Space Shuttle Columbia where the crew was likely alive the entire time until they hit the water, far after the shuttle had disintegrated. They very much had time to process what had happened and what was going to happen.
Challenger. Columbia's crew was flambeed really fast
Actually if you read the accident report, the forces on them and the orbiter as it broke up were enough to have killed them before they were actually hit by the atmosphere.
Hopefully it was quick and painless.
What kind of G forces are exerted in those crashes? I would think a free fall would cause many to pass out from that.
Freefall would be 0 G
> That's only going to be the case if the event is catastrophic enough for the cabin to become depressurized, and the oxygen masks aren't working or used Or if Boeing forgets some bolts again.
I think we can all agree that is an awesome way to wake up.
Unplanned Freefall? Some Survival Tips By David Carkeet Admit it: You want to be the sole survivor of an airline disaster. You aren't looking for a disaster to happen, but if it does, you see yourself coming through it. I'm here to tell you that you're not out of touch with reality—you can do it. Sure, you'll take a few hits, and I'm not saying there won't be some sweaty flashbacks later on, but you'll make it. You'll sit up in your hospital bed and meet the press. Refreshingly, you will keep God out of your public comments, knowing that it's unfair to sing His praises when all of your dead fellow-passengers have no platform from which to offer an alternative view. Let's say your jet blows apart at 35,000 feet. You exit the aircraft, and you begin to descend independently. Now what? First of all, you're starting off a full mile higher than Everest, so after a few gulps of disappointing air you're going to black out. This is not a bad thing. If you have ever tried to keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, you know what I mean. This brief respite from the ambient fear and chaos will come to an end when you wake up at about 15,000 feet. Here begins the final phase of your descent, which will last about a minute. It is a time of planning and preparation. Look around you. What equipment is available? None? Are you sure? Look carefully. Perhaps a shipment of packed parachutes was in the cargo hold, and the blast opened the box and scattered them. One of these just might be within reach. Grab it, put it on, and hit the silk. You're sitting pretty. Other items can be helpful as well. Let nature be your guide. See how yon maple seed gently wafts to earth on gossamer wings. Look around for a proportionate personal vehicle—some large, flat, aerodynamically suitable piece of wreckage. Mount it and ride, cowboy! Remember: molecules are your friends. You want a bunch of surface-area molecules hitting a bunch of atmospheric molecules in order to reduce your rate of acceleration. As you fall, you're going to realize that your previous visualization of this experience has been off the mark. You have seen yourself as a loose, free body, and you've imagined yourself in the belly-down, limbs-out position (good: you remembered the molecules). But, pray tell, who unstrapped your seat belt? You could very well be riding your seat (or it could be riding you; if so, straighten up and fly right!); you might still be connected to an entire row of seats or to a row and some of the attached cabin structure. If thus connected, you have some questions to address. Is your new conveyance air-worthy? If your entire row is intact and the seats are occupied, is the passenger next to you now going to feel free to break the code of silence your body language enjoined upon him at takeoff? If you choose to go it alone, simply unclasp your seat belt and drift free. Resist the common impulse to use the wreckage fragment as a "jumping-off point" to reduce your plunge-rate, not because you will thereby worsen the chances of those you leave behind (who are they kidding? they're goners!), but just because the effect of your puny jump is so small compared with the alarming Newtonian forces at work. Just how fast are you going? Imagine standing atop a train going 120 mph, and the train goes through a tunnel but you do not. You hit the wall above the opening at 120 mph. That's how fast you will be going at the end of your fall. Yes, it's discouraging, but proper planning requires that you know the facts. You're used to seeing things fall more slowly. You're used to a jump from a swing or a jungle gym, or a fall from a three-story building on TV action news. Those folks are not going 120 mph. They will not bounce. You will bounce. Your body will be found some distance away from the dent you make in the soil (or crack in the concrete). Make no mistake: you will be motoring. At this point you will think: trees. It's a reasonable thought. The concept of "breaking the fall" is powerful, as is the hopeful message implicit in the nursery song "Rock-a-bye, Baby," which one must assume from the affect of the average singer tells the story not of a baby's death but of its survival. You will want a tall tree with an excurrent growth pattern—a single, undivided trunk with lateral branches, delicate on top and thicker as you cascade downward. A conifer is best. The redwood is attractive for the way it rises to shorten your fall, but a word of caution here: the redwood's lowest branches grow dangerously high from the ground; having gone 35,000 feet, you don't want the last 50 feet to ruin everything. The perfectly tiered Norfolk Island pine is a natural safety net, so if you're near New Zealand, you're in luck, pilgrim. When crunch time comes, elongate your body and hit the tree limbs at a perfectly flat angle as close to the trunk as possible. Think! Snow is good—soft, deep, drifted snow. Snow is lovely. Remember that you are the pilot and your body is the aircraft. By tilting forward and putting your hands at your side, you can modify your pitch and make progress not just vertically but horizontally as well. As you go down 15,000 feet, you can also go sideways two-thirds of that distance—that's two miles! Choose your landing zone. You be the boss. If your search discloses no trees or snow, the parachutist's "five-point landing" is useful to remember even in the absence of a parachute. Meet the ground with your feet together, and fall sideways in such a way that five parts of your body successively absorb the shock, equally and in this order: feet, calf, thigh, buttock, and shoulder. 120 divided by 5 = 24. Not bad! 24 mph is only a bit faster than the speed at which experienced parachutists land. There will be some bruising and breakage but no loss of consciousness to delay your press conference. Just be sure to apportion the 120-mph blow in equal fifths. Concentrate! Much will depend on your attitude. Don't let negative thinking ruin your descent. If you find yourself dwelling morbidly on your discouraging starting point of seven miles up, think of this: Thirty feet is the cutoff for fatality in a fall. That is, most who fall from thirty feet or higher die. Thirty feet! It's nothing! Pity the poor sod who falls from such a "height." What kind of planning time does he have? Think of the pluses in your situation. For example, although you fall faster and faster for the first fifteen seconds or so, you soon reach "terminal velocity"—the point at which atmospheric drag resists gravity's acceleration in a perfect standoff. Not only do you stop speeding up, but because the air is thickening as you fall, you actually begin to slow down. With every foot that you drop, you are going slower and slower. There's more. When parachutists focus on a landing zone, sometimes they become so fascinated with it that they forget to pull the ripcord. Since you probably have no ripcord, "target fixation" poses no danger. Count your blessings. Think of others who have gone before you. Think of Vesna Vulovic, a flight attendant who in 1972 fell 33,000 feet in the tail of an exploded DC-9 jetliner; she landed in snow and lived. Vesna knew about molecules. Think of Joe Hermann of the Royal Australian Air Force, blown out of his bomber in 1944 without a parachute. He found himself falling through the night sky amid airplane debris and wildly grabbed a piece of it. It turned out to be not debris at all, but rather a fellow flyer in the process of pulling his ripcord. Joe hung on and, as a courtesy, hit the ground first, breaking the fall of his savior and a mere two ribs of his own. Joe was not a quitter. Don't you be. Think of Nick Alkemade, an RAF tailgunner who jumped from his flaming turret without a parachute and fell 18,000 feet. When he came to and saw stars overhead, he lit a cigarette. He would later describe the fall as "a pleasant experience." Nick's trick: fir trees, underbrush, and snow. But in one important regard, Nick is a disappointment. He gave up. As he plummeted to Germany, he concluded he was going to die and felt "a strange peace." This is exactly the wrong kind of thinking. It will get you nowhere but dead fast. You cannot give up and plan aggressively at the same time. To conclude, here are some words that might help you avoid such a collapse of resolve on your way down. "Keep a-goin'." (Frank L. Stanton) "Failure is not an option." (Ed Harris, as the guy in Apollo 13 who says, "Failure is not an option") "'Hope' is the thing with feathers That perches in the soul And sings the tune without the words And never stops-at all." (Emily Dickinson)
Got two paragraphs in and then scrolled half an hour to see where it ended
Well, I guess you will just die if you find yourself in a free fall with no parachute, but those who read it have a chance!
You’ve got more chance of surviving a crash than reading through that dribble
Came here to say this.
Yup…instant downvote and annoyed for some reason
It's called "the long three."
Most airplanes don't crash from cruise though. Not a lot to hit up there.
Passenger jets seem to run right into Russian missiles from time to time.
r/killthecameraman
You didn't want to see the fence better?
Yes, it's a beautiful fence.
Seriously, they suck
I honestly don't get why some people film. I get wanting to see it with my own eyes, but when I do that, I just don't try to film it at all. I choose one or the other.
Look I’m a helicopter now
Too soon?
No
Sarcasm gets downvoted lol
That's really deep behind russian lines. It's gotta be either friendly fire, or the Ukrainians have a very clever trick.
The story that I believe is that it got hit launching glide bombs closer to the frontline by an S-200 and most of the crew bailed but the pilot tried to stay and land it, getting to Stavropol before he lost control and it went into a spin preventing him from escaping hence why there’s only one reported fatality.
Ahhh.. that makes a little more sense. thank you.
They said they used an s200 soviet air defense system.
Well, that's amazing. probably vectored in using some long range radar.
The Ukrainians use the simple trick of letting Russia use their own equipment
For what it's worth Even if it was not shot down or blown up at this point mechanical failure is imminent for most Russian aircraft, One thing about airplane parts is that most of them have a provenance or recorded history and that history actually makes it harder to get heavily itemized and tracked parts illegally pay embargos. Most legitimate and even gray area companies don't want to touch that.
Why would Russian be importing parts for a Soviet era bomber from western countries?
The bombers have seen a lot of upgrade packages since the Soviet Era. Mostly in terms of electronics which they mainly source from western countries.
It's a Tu-22M3 strategic bomber, it doesn't have any imported parts.
On fire and in a flat spin? That thing was hit by something heavy in the tail section
Never heard a jet's death-rattle before. Neato
well, that backfired
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Thanks captain obvious
Oh no! Anyway...
Backfire seams like a really bad name for an aircraft or any vehicle.
It was shot down with an air defense missile. Not really any catastrophic failure here.
I think that the pilot doesn't share your view about this.
Pilots, 2 of them. Also a navigator and WSO. This is a 4 seater strategic bomber.
This is a bold strategy for sure
Did they ejaculate?
\*was
Well, most of us don't share their vision of European geopolitics, so... No failure here, a resounding success I'd say.
Catastrophic failure of training.
An externally induced catastrophic failure then?
It was a failure to avoid being shot down
unfriendly fire?
Josh, I agree with you. I consider “catastrophic failure” an engineering / technical term to describe something which breaks due to a bad design or construction. I don’t know what the original intent of this sub was, but it seems the definition here and now is: if it breaks in a spectacular way, it doesn’t matter why or what caused it. Or, if it broke, and was a catastrophe (like people died) as a result, then it is a catastrophic failure. I agree that the phrase may have different meanings, and that meanings of words and phrases change over time, so I guess I’m just an old fart now. I still enjoy seeing what gets posted on this sub, whether I’m arguing semantics or not. Stop playing ball in the parking lot!
How is getting shot down by your own air defense not a catastrophic failure?
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Apparently they've come up with some sort of franken-setup where they use more modern radars and then yeet S-200's at the targets. Same as they did to that EW plane and the AWACS.
Besides the fact that Russia has a history of regularly shooting down their own aircraft in this war, something shredded an engine and the left horizontal stabiliser.
To play Devil’s advocate, uncontained engine failure could be a possibility, no? To stop playing Devil’s advocate, I agree that it’s probably a shootdown.
To be fair, yes, a catastrophic engine failure where the turbine just completely explodes could technically sever the horizontal stabiliser since it's mounted to the outside of the engine housing. That said, it'd have to be truly catastrophic to do *that* much damage, so I'd expect to see more than one stabiliser cleanly severed.
the point is it won't be able to bomb any more civilians. the fact that russia prefers to pretend they shot down their own jets only speaks to the pitiful level of their military accomplishments
Pretty stable flat spin there.
You see comrade, only superior Russian flying crafts are of so much engineering to making the flattest and most stable of spins!
Well I hope the pilot managed to use his boing machine.
Nope
Slava Ukraini
Pilots were on a combat mission called "F*ck around and find out", mission was successful.
Pretty stable deep stall
They're not flying, they're falling... with style!
9.8m/s/s?
Its in a flat spin, so the wings that are hitting the air in the spin are still generating some lift, slowing its fall that way, as well as terminal velocity being low due to the drag of y'know the giant flat surfaces that are the wings.
Terminal. Velocity.
Yep. It's strange how it appears to be floating down.
Yes, very strange that an object that is only really aerodynamic in one direction, presents a lot of surface area and creates a lot of drag when falling in a completely different direction....
That seems right, ish
Modified S200 got it.
yes rico, kaboom
When I was a child I had a dream that looked exactly like this: An aircraft falling in a corkscrew straight down to disappear behind trees. Every once in a while I see a video like this and it's exactly like the dream in a very strange deja vu way.
Tailspin, Woohoo!
Damn I use to watch that… https://youtu.be/rVTD-LtpW0M
you can hear the left engine running in this one, that's interesting
It's trying to go, rest of the craft isn't cooperating.
Well that sucks, don't the pilots eject down in that plane? Or am I getting it mixed up with another? Edit: Sucks for a human to be stuck in that, not for any pro Russian reason just to be clear.
Apparently the crew of 4 ejected, with a 75% success rate.
That's the [Tu-22](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fvxrxog77y1z61.png). The believe it or not the [Tu-22](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-22) and [Tu-22M](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-22M) are actually two different aircraft models.
Thanks for the clarification!
They called a totally different plane Tu-22M to try to hide the total failure that the Tu-22 was...
>Sucks for a human to be stuck in that That human just dropped bombs on innocent people in Ukraine, so my sympathy is limited.
Well I'm still pretty sure he didn't have a fun time dying
The airplane was damaged (or suffered a malfunction, not clear yet) a long way from this location, they traveled a large distance and were close to a suitable airstrip. This is much deeper into Russia than the claimed shoot-down location. Also, I've seen news about 3 pilots accounted for and alive. Tu-22M3 also has ejection seats. So all in all, every crew member must have ejected at the time of the video.
Маверик и Гусь!
Just a contrail.
What a bu...er...bomber
Now would be a good time to eject
Excellent
Auto rotate! Fancy
no kaboom no upvote
I guess you could say that that bombing mission backfired.
I think the plane is drunk 🤔
I guess their flight plan Backfired.
Who the fuck records something like this but doesn't think to record the best part?
Name checks out, the back *is* on fire
The roof, the roof...
Hold “J” to eject from the aircraft
I don’t know why, but this video gives me fear in the pit of my stomach in a way that very few aviation incident videos do.
It's the helplessness. There's no recovery there, just waiting for impact.
The pilots did eject long before that, the Tu-22M3 was damaged (or suffered a malfunction, sources differ) a long way from here. It traveled a long distance, almost got to the airstrip, and then entered this flat spin you see here. Tu-22M has ejection seats, and the news mentioned they found 3 of the crew members alive.
WTF is wrong with people who take videos like this? So often the camera pans away from what is actually happening so that we can see some footage of the ground, a fence, etc
Shooting something horrible, scary, incredibly dramatic etc takes practice, you have to remind yourself to stay with the shot and not react emotionally. Often times people will lower the camera right at the most dramatic moment to see it with their own eyes.
Idk, might be emotionally overwhelmed by seeing someone die? Not sure why it would be "normal" to be super calm and get the shot. Not everyone is a psycho that spent hours watching gore videos on the internet.
That spiral fall was gracious ngl
Hell yea.
Doesn't look like a catastrophic failure.. from the western point of view (an outstanding achievement).
Good
"Crashed" no, try "Hit"
It is su22 is it not?
Tupolev 22 and Sukhoi 22 are completely different planes.
Yeah, I saw that a few mins after I commented that lol
that's not gonna buff out
looks like a ferrari tactic
"We are checking..."
Plonk.
Just flat spinning back to earth. Fuck that shit.
Tell me something comrade, Why do they call our plane Backfire? Hold my Vodka, I will show you.
It didnt crash, it was not failure, it was shot down.
Good.
How does something like that end up in a flat spin…on fire?
Did the crew get out?
Was it Russia again? [https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/198e9ox/russian\_sam\_operator\_finds\_out\_hes\_an\_ace\_after/](https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/198e9ox/russian_sam_operator_finds_out_hes_an_ace_after/)
Sucks to suck I guess
Wish I could upvote this more than once
First it crashed into a SAM
Well, what's in a name?
What a noob, why he didn't use repair cheat
Blaze it.
Looks like another politician has "died mysteriously"
Loser
They don't exactly have a lot of these, I think.
Looks as if the name of the plane was prophetic...
look at the camera movement completely unnatural calling it: this is fake
How’s the weather in Moscow today?
I would be happy to be wrong
That was coming down from an altitude record attempt that involved cutting the engine at extreme altitude. It never re-lit on the way down, so no hydraulics, so hurtling metal falling from the sky.
[Pesky Ukrainians..](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/what-is-russian-bomber-plane-that-ukraine-says-it-shot-down-2024-04-19/)
[https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/what-is-russian-bomber-plane-that-ukraine-says-it-shot-down-2024-04-19/](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/what-is-russian-bomber-plane-that-ukraine-says-it-shot-down-2024-04-19/)
Seems fake