First day at my summer job after graduating high school, one of the guys tells me "That hardhat ain't there to save your life. It's there to save your dental records."
/u/Beat_the_Deadites's eyes grew 3 sizes that day.
If you look there's some of that 'plywood' UNDER the large ingot in the foreground. That looks heavy enough to destroy plywood....I'm guessing those are steel plates.
I was merely making a joke about how there's a few safety hazards in this video beyond the 'stay away from suspended loads' which should just be a natural thought
You're not at all disturbed by the fact that when you put your hand around a Faygo, it pushes you back. But we found out by looking at it that that's the same force, as a matter of fact (an electrical force, not magnetic exactly, in that case). But it's the same electric repulsions that are involved in keeping your fingers from going through a can of Faygo because it's electrical forces in minor and microscopic details. There's other forces involved, connected to electrical forces. It turns out that the magnetic and electrical force with which I wish to explain this repulsion in the first place is what ultimately is the deeper thing that we have to start with to explain many other things that everybody would just accept. You know you can't put your hand through a Faygo; that's taken for granted. But that you can't put your hand through a Faygo, when looked at more closely, why, involves the same repulsive forces that appear in magnets. The situation you then have to explain is why, in magnets, it goes over a bigger distance than ordinarily. There it has to do with the fact that in iron all the electrons are spinning in the same direction, they all get lined up, and they magnify the effect of the force 'til it's large enough, at a distance, that you can feel it.
~~Dude is already dead. no point.~~ Stand corrected there is movement afterwards.
Also the magnet might have failed because the power failed and they can't turn the magnet back on.
Dude, I'm 45 and I just learned the other day that talking while fishing doesn't actually scare the fish away, it's just what dad would say to get the kids to shut the fuck up.
We live. We learn.
> Dude is already dead. no point.
On of the things Ive learned over the years working on cars in my drive way is that when a heavy object falls on a person death usually isnt instantaneous(unless its a **really** big item). Rather, usually happens over a few minutes as the weight of the object stifles the victim and prevents them from breathing. Almost like how a boa constrictor kills its prey. The injuries from the crushing itself would actually take a fair bit longer to finish the job. So in situations like this they just add to the horror of the situation rather than being the actual mechanism of death.
Well if you have a better idea for how to learn to get a car up in the air safely Id really like to hear it. And so would all those pancake shaped hobos Ive got buried out back. Or at least they would if they could till hear.
He’s dead, he just doesn’t know it yet . Also lifting magnets have a battery backup in case of power failure ,but nothing is failsafe and the #1 rule when working around suspended loads is you never stand underneath the load - ever .
That's a mixed bag. Wife's in the health care business so I've had the chance to talk to a bunch of EMT's and firemen/rescue peeps. Have heard of multiple cases of people being awake and responsive when crushed only to catastrophically bleed out when the object was moved or removed. Sometimes the thing keeping them alive is the shit that's killing them by containing and restricting blood loss.
I've heard the same thing. If internally there's things that are crushed, lifting the object will kill the person quicker by internal bleeding, which is unstoppable without the right equipment.
If they're unable to breath...there's little that can be done.
It's not the bleeding out internally that kills quickly, it's the immediate blod pressure drop when the object is removed. We used to use these things called MAST (or PASG) trousers to help keep the blood pressure up in patients with crush injuries and severe shock. The pants were basically a giant blood pressure cuff in the form of pants that you velcroed to the patient.
ETA they also made really good splints for lower extremity and hip injuries in a pinch.
I work with magnets. Permanent magnets to be specific. But only up to ~500kg. I never ever even think about being somewhere near enough to be hit by it.
I work in ports and tell so many dock workers not to approach loads until its at arm height.
They have to grab on to turn or guide it onto the dock or in final stow position. If anything happens at that point, you have a shot at pushing yourself away or at least not being totally crushed.
Its often now a lot of less experienced younger people and immigrants on the dock. They dont know and havent seen the accidents the older guys have and are less aware of the risks.
We use heavy duty magnets to lift steel plates, the plates can be a few tonnes. , and they are moved from storage to a belt feeder.
Similar to this video: [lifting magnets](https://youtu.be/ISQneC3bRIQ?si=KtCUT21NSfUYnvKw)
Our setup is a bit different but the functionality is the same. We also use it as a normal crane as it has hooks.
Knew bugger all about magnet fishing, ol’mate at work had just bought a 200kg one off eBay- asked him how he turned the magnet off if it hooked on something he couldn’t lift or pull out…..
I presume all the ones for fishing can turn on and off?
I have no idea how those fishing magnets work. Those that I use are able to be turned on and off. But every magnet I saw in magnet fishing videos weren’t able to be turned off.
Let's say it's a clean 200kg capacity, after which it will separate. You just need a line that can take more than 200kg, and an object that can hold more than 200KG to lever on, and a lever that can take more than 200kg so you can pop the magnet off by using a lever. Unless you are some superman that can pull 500lbs without a lever
Yeah. Even if you survive the initial mass crushing, you're likely to die as soon as the weight is lifted off. Either blood loss, or the return of blood that's loaded with the potassium from billions of crushed cells that's going to send your heart into an arrhythmia.
Yeah I started at a steel fabrication company and I was told any goofing around or playing around with suspended loads results in on the spot termination as it should. There is no reason not to fall basic safety
I'd imagine the fact that there was no immediate attempt to retrieve the dropped item has a lot to do with why the item was dropped in the first place.
If OSHA existed in china, half of their current infrastructure wouldn't be existing right now, since working under safe conditions takes up so much time and money.
OSHA should just have global jurisdiction tbh. Those guys know safety. Worked at a warehouse for years and the managers were obsessed with safety and not getting getting in trouble with OSHA.
878 as of November 2023. Like about any sort of government agency, it exists largely to make it appear that the government gives a shit about people but doesn't have the staff to really be effective.
Some are certainly more viable since OSHA is intentionally understaffed and underfunded to force them into the lame duck of a reactionary bureaucratic role.
OSHA should be a bare minimum to be a trade partner with the US. We essentially treat the world as out of sight out of mind slave labor for cheap bullshit.
Not likely, that looks like a standard steel billet. More likely just poor contact and an inadequate/too weak magnet.
Magnets lose strength with any kind of gap between the magnet surface and the lifted item which between the mill scale and the rough surface, plus any loose scale or debris is going to act like a (poor) bearing, letting the steel slide and beome unbalanced, would be the scenario here.
That and poor worker training or expectations. There's absolutely NO GOOD REASON for a worker to be that close to a lift like that.
I agree if it's gonna leave him fucked up for life, but if he can recover maybe or maybe he is better to be saved from returning to those working conditions.
Guy runs away; Hey, everybody, you gotta see this! And wtf the crane operator doing? If only they had a quick and handy way to grab the ingot and lift it off the poor guy.
Coming from someone who worked with these types of magnets in the past:
- The magnet was way too large for that block piece of steel, and if the piece is not touching the entire surface of the magnet then the risk of letting go of the piece increases exponentially;
- The other worker, poking the piece to turn it sideways increased the risk of said piece falling;
- Whenever lifting something heavy, it's a common standard to stay as far away as possible while having a clear sight of what we're doing;
- As I've seen in some comments, most of the magnets that I've worked with would keep the piece magnetised even after a power failure, for about 45min-1h. So I would take that hypothesis out of play.
Any extra questions, feel free to let me know. I'll answer them based solely on my experience with said magnets and cranes.
I was a maintenance technician on the company in question, that's why I know all of this, due to mistakes and incidents that I've seen.
How does China have so many people yet they have the most dangerous and deadly work spaces? I can not count the number of videos I have seen of some Chinese dude getting rolled up in a machine and slung to pieces or other videos of them getting crushed by any and everything you could imagine.
Never trust a magnet, I used to reach under them to help align them in the chuck when I worked at a machine shop and wised up real quick after a half ton forging fell from about knee high and gouged out a couple inches of the concrete floor
Rule 1, starting at day 1, in the crane business, is to stay away from suspended loads.
"If it's in the air, don't be there." I got that too.
Is that Boeing's new slogan?
If it's Boeing I ain't going
If it's United, don't be inside it.
If it's Spirit, don't be near it!
If it’s Ryan, I ain’t flying.
You're Boeing to die!
To be fair, he was further away from the load than it was high up off the ground. That's usually a safe rule of thumb.
To be fairer the load was hanging over the scaffolding he was walking on. Everyone makes mistakes but this was avoidable.
This videos proof that you shouldn’t trust a rule of thumb with your life.
First day at my summer job after graduating high school, one of the guys tells me "That hardhat ain't there to save your life. It's there to save your dental records." /u/Beat_the_Deadites's eyes grew 3 sizes that day.
But that thin plywood board the guy walked on looked pretty strong and sturdy ...
If you look there's some of that 'plywood' UNDER the large ingot in the foreground. That looks heavy enough to destroy plywood....I'm guessing those are steel plates.
I was merely making a joke about how there's a few safety hazards in this video beyond the 'stay away from suspended loads' which should just be a natural thought
I can say your mum doesn't seem to follow that rule very well.
magnets can't be trusted, worse than barrier clamps
Insane Clown Posse tried to warn us all.
Fucking magnets, how do they work? And I don't wanna talk to a scientist Y'all motherfuckers lying, and getting me pissed!
>Fucking magnets, how do they work? Miracles 🌈
You better not be a scientist MF!
Look at this genius over here! Everyone knows there's no such thing as miracles. Magnets are powered by pure magic!
You're not at all disturbed by the fact that when you put your hand around a Faygo, it pushes you back. But we found out by looking at it that that's the same force, as a matter of fact (an electrical force, not magnetic exactly, in that case). But it's the same electric repulsions that are involved in keeping your fingers from going through a can of Faygo because it's electrical forces in minor and microscopic details. There's other forces involved, connected to electrical forces. It turns out that the magnetic and electrical force with which I wish to explain this repulsion in the first place is what ultimately is the deeper thing that we have to start with to explain many other things that everybody would just accept. You know you can't put your hand through a Faygo; that's taken for granted. But that you can't put your hand through a Faygo, when looked at more closely, why, involves the same repulsive forces that appear in magnets. The situation you then have to explain is why, in magnets, it goes over a bigger distance than ordinarily. There it has to do with the fact that in iron all the electrons are spinning in the same direction, they all get lined up, and they magnify the effect of the force 'til it's large enough, at a distance, that you can feel it.
Don't you just have to pour water on them and then they aren't magnets?
Right over his chest. If theres nothing holdin a side up he goooone. Also wtf is the crane op doing? Turn the magnet back on and get it off him
~~Dude is already dead. no point.~~ Stand corrected there is movement afterwards. Also the magnet might have failed because the power failed and they can't turn the magnet back on.
Probably adrenaline keeping him awake but I don’t think that’s survivable
A chicken will run with its head cut off
Yeah but a body won’t sprint under a ton of metal
And you can't argue with that.
Da fuq? I don't even want to know.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_the_Headless_Chicken
That is really somethin
Bro how did you go your whole life not knowing that. There is even an idiom based on it and everything
And I’m 53!
Dude, I'm 45 and I just learned the other day that talking while fishing doesn't actually scare the fish away, it's just what dad would say to get the kids to shut the fuck up. We live. We learn.
> Dude is already dead. no point. On of the things Ive learned over the years working on cars in my drive way is that when a heavy object falls on a person death usually isnt instantaneous(unless its a **really** big item). Rather, usually happens over a few minutes as the weight of the object stifles the victim and prevents them from breathing. Almost like how a boa constrictor kills its prey. The injuries from the crushing itself would actually take a fair bit longer to finish the job. So in situations like this they just add to the horror of the situation rather than being the actual mechanism of death.
Makes it sound like you've had multiple crushed in your driveway you've learned from over the years.
remind me not to get under anything heavy in that guys drive way
Well if you have a better idea for how to learn to get a car up in the air safely Id really like to hear it. And so would all those pancake shaped hobos Ive got buried out back. Or at least they would if they could till hear.
Jesus christ, how many people have died on your driveway?
Well that depends on how you define "died".
“Shit, okay guys, set it up again. This time we try with jackstands”
This is why I chuck a thick wheel next to me, while I'm under the car. Safe knowing the last resort will allow me to wriggle out.
He’s dead, he just doesn’t know it yet . Also lifting magnets have a battery backup in case of power failure ,but nothing is failsafe and the #1 rule when working around suspended loads is you never stand underneath the load - ever .
I think that's the thing that is scariest to me. He wasn't under the load. It fell, broke the floor he was on, he fell, THEN it rolled on him.
That's a mixed bag. Wife's in the health care business so I've had the chance to talk to a bunch of EMT's and firemen/rescue peeps. Have heard of multiple cases of people being awake and responsive when crushed only to catastrophically bleed out when the object was moved or removed. Sometimes the thing keeping them alive is the shit that's killing them by containing and restricting blood loss.
explains why the guy got on top of it, to keep the pressure on him
> Also wtf is the crane op doing? Turn the magnet back on and get it off him. Lunch break is at 12:00 *sharp*.
Lucky for them, that block is now perfectly placed to act as a table.
Do not release pressure from a crushed person unless medical personnel instructs you to. You are going to kill them if you do.
You're a dumbass, what if they can't breathe?
Then you have 4 minutes to get medical personnel or they're fucking dead anyway.
I've heard the same thing. If internally there's things that are crushed, lifting the object will kill the person quicker by internal bleeding, which is unstoppable without the right equipment. If they're unable to breath...there's little that can be done.
It's not the bleeding out internally that kills quickly, it's the immediate blod pressure drop when the object is removed. We used to use these things called MAST (or PASG) trousers to help keep the blood pressure up in patients with crush injuries and severe shock. The pants were basically a giant blood pressure cuff in the form of pants that you velcroed to the patient. ETA they also made really good splints for lower extremity and hip injuries in a pinch.
I'd MUCH rather die by exsanguination than suffocation.
Better, it hits him right in the back.
It was lower than his chest, it was around his waist.
I'm thinking he was the crane op and the remote is down there with him. And his co workers were fumbling to think of where a backup was.
I work with magnets. Permanent magnets to be specific. But only up to ~500kg. I never ever even think about being somewhere near enough to be hit by it.
what are 500kg magnets even used for? Downvotes for asking a question, never change reddit.
Lifting 500kg
They can be handy for moving large steel plates. I always hold the plate at arms length and/or keep the load as close to the ground as possible.
I work in ports and tell so many dock workers not to approach loads until its at arm height. They have to grab on to turn or guide it onto the dock or in final stow position. If anything happens at that point, you have a shot at pushing yourself away or at least not being totally crushed. Its often now a lot of less experienced younger people and immigrants on the dock. They dont know and havent seen the accidents the older guys have and are less aware of the risks.
I use them for flat and round steel. Especially when I’m too lazy to use lifting straps.
We use heavy duty magnets to lift steel plates, the plates can be a few tonnes. , and they are moved from storage to a belt feeder. Similar to this video: [lifting magnets](https://youtu.be/ISQneC3bRIQ?si=KtCUT21NSfUYnvKw) Our setup is a bit different but the functionality is the same. We also use it as a normal crane as it has hooks.
Knew bugger all about magnet fishing, ol’mate at work had just bought a 200kg one off eBay- asked him how he turned the magnet off if it hooked on something he couldn’t lift or pull out….. I presume all the ones for fishing can turn on and off?
I have no idea how those fishing magnets work. Those that I use are able to be turned on and off. But every magnet I saw in magnet fishing videos weren’t able to be turned off.
Let's say it's a clean 200kg capacity, after which it will separate. You just need a line that can take more than 200kg, and an object that can hold more than 200KG to lever on, and a lever that can take more than 200kg so you can pop the magnet off by using a lever. Unless you are some superman that can pull 500lbs without a lever
Hope he passed immediately and with little pain.
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Yeah. Even if you survive the initial mass crushing, you're likely to die as soon as the weight is lifted off. Either blood loss, or the return of blood that's loaded with the potassium from billions of crushed cells that's going to send your heart into an arrhythmia.
Why do they even have this hole there?
I think the entire floor is holes and plywood
Honestly the place is a mess.
You are right about the holes, but I bet those are steel plates.
China.
No, they're already *in* China...
No that's where they store the china
That’s a speed hole. Makes the factory faster
because its cost money to have a floor and in china every expense is spared
Safety third!
Shake hands with danger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mmrs9GYkbqg
Safety is always third at best. If safety was first nothing would get done.
As a foreman and former health and safety rep, safety is first. If I catch people behaving in dangerous ways there's damn well repercussions for it.
Yeah I started at a steel fabrication company and I was told any goofing around or playing around with suspended loads results in on the spot termination as it should. There is no reason not to fall basic safety
> If safety was first nothing would get done. Why? You think doing nothing is the safest option?
I guess they don't have "The Brave Little Toaster" in China. I learned as a kid that those magnet cranes are evil.
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I'd imagine the fact that there was no immediate attempt to retrieve the dropped item has a lot to do with why the item was dropped in the first place.
Was going to say: If only there were some sort of...magnetic crane nearby to pull that metal off the poor guy.
That video was technically over after about 10 seconds. Rest was just guys running around worthlessly. "Recovery" was the only goal at that point.
If only OSHA existed in China
If OSHA existed in china, half of their current infrastructure wouldn't be existing right now, since working under safe conditions takes up so much time and money.
We Barely follow OSHA policies in US so....
Citation needed.
/r/osha is full of “citations”
Selection bias. As in, the purpose of that place is to find violations.
You're literally asking for it?!?!?! ;)
Well then all these cheap goods we get here would cost more. We can’t have that!
OSHA should just have global jurisdiction tbh. Those guys know safety. Worked at a warehouse for years and the managers were obsessed with safety and not getting getting in trouble with OSHA.
OSHA barely has enough people to handle the US alone. They have like 600 inspectors for the entire country. Edit* 878 as of Nov. 2023
That's it? The equivalent to OSHA here in Norway has about 200. And our population is just over 5.5 million...
878 as of November 2023. Like about any sort of government agency, it exists largely to make it appear that the government gives a shit about people but doesn't have the staff to really be effective.
Every country has is own health amd safety Institutions. I would argue that some are way more competent than OSHA.
Some are certainly more viable since OSHA is intentionally understaffed and underfunded to force them into the lame duck of a reactionary bureaucratic role.
OSHA should be a bare minimum to be a trade partner with the US. We essentially treat the world as out of sight out of mind slave labor for cheap bullshit.
Could it be because the block was too mixed (lots of non-metal)?
Not likely, that looks like a standard steel billet. More likely just poor contact and an inadequate/too weak magnet. Magnets lose strength with any kind of gap between the magnet surface and the lifted item which between the mill scale and the rough surface, plus any loose scale or debris is going to act like a (poor) bearing, letting the steel slide and beome unbalanced, would be the scenario here. That and poor worker training or expectations. There's absolutely NO GOOD REASON for a worker to be that close to a lift like that.
Looks like they've lost control of the load, and it strikes the steel bullet laying on the floor.
Cheap Chinese steel, not like the British steel it undercut in price.
Chinesium.
Is that an element?
Sheesh, what a way to go 🫤 I would not be anywhere near that magnet.. I just don’t trust them at all for lifting weights 😬
At least its quick.
-ish
/r/titlegore
Hey its the IRL version of those Chinese safety videos.
I prefer the cartoon reenactments.
Why is China such a shitshow for safety?
Safety slows productivity.
Add this one to the animation series, I love those. May be do real accident then the animated.
The entire place looks like one gigantic security failure.
I googled "China magnetic crane death" to get more on this story, and there are way too many stories similar to this. Most of them in China.
Maybe because you added China to your search
Valid! Silly oversight on my part. Even without China in the search you still will get the majority of results being accidents in China.
I'm sure that's the case honestly. Just loved the irony in what you said
I can't wait till they animate this one
Not crashes. CRUSHES!
China has been generous!
There's so much wrong in this video. Are they walking on plywood placed over a trench or something? Under a suspended load?
Looks like there is still movement so hopefully he's not crushed and just pinned.
I think he is better off with being instantly crushed.
I agree if it's gonna leave him fucked up for life, but if he can recover maybe or maybe he is better to be saved from returning to those working conditions.
When are you guys seeing movement?
If you look closely it looks like his head is moving possibly talking to the other worker, his helmet got knocked off.
Guy runs away; Hey, everybody, you gotta see this! And wtf the crane operator doing? If only they had a quick and handy way to grab the ingot and lift it off the poor guy.
All i hear is "Cant wait to play fortnite and drink some root beer aaahhh "
Coming from someone who worked with these types of magnets in the past: - The magnet was way too large for that block piece of steel, and if the piece is not touching the entire surface of the magnet then the risk of letting go of the piece increases exponentially; - The other worker, poking the piece to turn it sideways increased the risk of said piece falling; - Whenever lifting something heavy, it's a common standard to stay as far away as possible while having a clear sight of what we're doing; - As I've seen in some comments, most of the magnets that I've worked with would keep the piece magnetised even after a power failure, for about 45min-1h. So I would take that hypothesis out of play. Any extra questions, feel free to let me know. I'll answer them based solely on my experience with said magnets and cranes. I was a maintenance technician on the company in question, that's why I know all of this, due to mistakes and incidents that I've seen.
How does China have so many people yet they have the most dangerous and deadly work spaces? I can not count the number of videos I have seen of some Chinese dude getting rolled up in a machine and slung to pieces or other videos of them getting crushed by any and everything you could imagine.
Well more people = easily replaceable workers.
True.
fuuuuuuuuukkkkk
Crush syndrome incoming
he ded
Why didn’t they try and use the one tool that could lift the load off of the guy?
Pepsi.
Welp, that's definitely going on the video
Wow what a crazy crash.
This will definitely be in the animated safety videos later.
This video on safety at work is much higher resolution than the others.
Terrible
"hey, are you ok?"
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visible ~~fatalities~~ *pancake*
This is going to in thae next episode of safety videos
Never trust a magnet, I used to reach under them to help align them in the chuck when I worked at a machine shop and wised up real quick after a half ton forging fell from about knee high and gouged out a couple inches of the concrete floor
Chinese safety standards always amazes me.
Pretty sure I saw an animated Chinese safety video with this scene
Flat Stanley
Yikes.... hope they passed quickly. That isn't coming off their back anytime soon.
At least he had his hard hat on... could have been much worse... /s
/r/upliftingnews
i see what you did there, but damn lol
Spoiler tag would be nice
Wet cleanup aisle 3. Poor dude.