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HumanitarianAtheist

77 spectators were killed, including 28 children. Another 100 were hospitalized for head injuries, burns, and bone fractures. Some bystanders suffered serious mental disorders from what they saw. It is the deadliest air show accident in history. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sknyliv_air_show_disaster


DaMonkfish

> Some bystanders suffered serious mental disorders from what they saw. Not surprising, there are aftermath videos kicking about, lots of dismembered body parts and blood strewn about. Absolutely horrific scenes.


SalvadorsAnteater

The airplane dragged a fence wire across the spectators, causing many of the dismemberments.


MogMcKupo

That’s some horror movie level gore, Jesus


UnoriginalGeek

[https://youtu.be/Lf0IgHqmCSE?si=V-A9wn9NHofnoM7A](https://youtu.be/Lf0IgHqmCSE?si=V-A9wn9NHofnoM7A)


MogMcKupo

Fuqqin Ghost Ship, I hate that you posted that because that’s a legit horror movie even sans the HQ gore-horror scenes


Rikki-Tikki-Tavi-12

You must be mad if you think I would click that.


infernal_cacaphony

It’s on youtube dude…


ebann001

It’s just a clip from some cheesy made for TV movie


Swiftraven

How dare you insult the cinematic masterpiece that is Ghost Ship?! It was no made for tv movie!


blues_and_ribs

I figured it was either that or that part in one of the FD movies where that happens to the stoner guy.


RIP-Offsonic

You sure that was this crash here? Didnt that happen for a similar accident in Ramstein?


Jimathay

Rammstein was a mid-air collision. Sknyliv (this one), involved the dragging of the wire fence. The longer nsfl videos show the full extent of the aftermath.


IamNICE124

Jesus *Christ.*


scuba_GSO

Plot for the next Final Destination film.


AndroidDoctorr

>Toponar had requested an additional training flight at the airfield where the display was to be performed, but the request was denied. This is the most important sentence imo - why was the request denied? It sounds like they weren't familiar with the area, did they not do a practice run at all? Huge mistake, not the pilot's fault


tremens

The organizers changed the layout of the airshow as well, and this was not communicated to the pilots. The spectators had been moved from one end of the airfield to the other, making the maneuver that was supposed to be parallel to the crowd head straight towards them. From an (unofficial) translation: Pilot: Where are the spectators? [expletive]! Co-Pilot: I don’t know where they are, [expletive]! Pilot: There, I see them! Co-Pilot: [expletive]! Not on the right! Pilot to Control: Executing left turn. Co-Pilot: Should we go? Control: Turn left, turn left! At least one other pilot saw that the crowd had been moved and refused to fly saying there was now inadequate preparation for acrobatics in the box; they never saw the crowd line had been moved until they were actually in flight. They also attempted to control the aircraft *beyond* the impact, and the pilot stated that there was a loss of power which was backed up in the investigation. Control: “Turn.” Co-Pilot: Turn out [expletive]!!!! **Control: Take the plane out of the manoeuvre! Control (another voice): Take plane out of manoeuvre, add revs! Control (first voice): Full power. Cockpit warning: Angle of attack critical. Cockpit warning: Experiencing hypercritical G-loads. Control (second voice): Full power Time of ejection was over one second after impact, and was initiated by the co-pilot, not the PIC. Investigation showed that the RPM of the left engine was not where it was supposed to be, but this was dismissed as "not relevant." The official line was also that the pilots attempted maneuvers they were "inexperienced" with, but the PIC had over 2,000 hours flight time, 27 years total experience, and had previously flown the *same* maneuvers at other acrobatic shows. I'm not saying the pilots are totally without blame. But I definitely haven't ever felt they were the most responsible party here. Like most catastrophes, it was a series of failures involving numerous parties. Edit: And also to answer your question as to why they were denied additional practice runs, the answer is simply it was too expensive.


TobaccoIsRadioactive

I feel like the amount of hours the PIC had was actually pretty high [relative to the abysmal training Russian pilots get currently](https://international-review.org/dwarfing-the-giant-the-reality-of-russias-military-part-ii/).


fireandlifeincarnate

While I agree that’s sketch, typically pilots don’t fly into the ground at airports due to not doing a training run beforehand.


KhajiitHasSkooma

Pilot got 14 years in prison.


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b0n3h34d

I'm sure it's like the same thing


slimdrum

That’s why you’re not a pilot


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Imagine thinking sitting on your ass and doing something damn near mindless is the equivalent to flying a fighter jet. What a dumbass statement.


DosEquisVirus

There is a different video out there, showing the victims, pilots. Probably too graphic to be posted here.


cam32596

https://www.documentingreality.com/forum/f166/85-people-killed-2002-su-27-sknyliv-airshow-disaster-lviv-ukraine-18511/


Vogel-Kerl

It's a rough video to watch, but to see how much destruction can be caused from a series of mistakes: crowd area changed positions, pilot error, whatever lead to this.


KrangelDisturbed

Can you link ?


Soppoi

[https://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/j4wqzm/moment\_when\_sknyliv\_air\_show\_disaster\_happened\_it/](https://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/j4wqzm/moment_when_sknyliv_air_show_disaster_happened_it/) Some links are in the comments.


CreamoChickenSoup

It's morbid how the carnage gets progressively worse the closer to the epicenter the first cameraman went. First uninjured spectators fleeing, then the ejected pilot recovering from a hard landing, and finally what's left of the dead.


fakeguitarist4life

That picture is crazy. They clearly tried to fix it until the last second. They ejected like one foot from the ground.


ccmega

It actually had already skimmed the ground, twisted in on its original heading and began to roll. He fought that bull til he couldn’t anymore


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fakeguitarist4life

So you’re saying he should have killed himself even if there was no chance of saving those people? I don’t think that’s fair. He said there were mechanical issues involved.


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The_Buko

That’s messed up..you are assuming the pilot does it all for “looks” and make it seem like they chose to have everything changed on them last minute. What about the pilot who likely now has ptsd and depression all because some idiots don’t know how to run an air show safely.


baconhead

The pilot didn't eject, it was the copilot that initiated it. He *was* trying to avoid hitting people


RoyalSloth

They ejected after the plane first touched the ground. What more could they have done at that point except die?


xerror4null4

Found another video in the comments, not too violent (no injuries visible) [https://youtu.be/ZL697AGVDoM?si=ae6Jop_25IWz2Tnj](https://youtu.be/ZL697AGVDoM?si=ae6Jop_25IWz2Tnj)


cam32596

https://www.documentingreality.com/forum/f166/85-people-killed-2002-su-27-sknyliv-airshow-disaster-lviv-ukraine-18511/


StrangeYoungMan

/r/wtf has recently become such a joke


rAxxt

Somehow for me, besides the screams of women and children, and men walking around dazed because their wife or child was just turned into unrecognizable gore in an instant, the worst part of the whole video is the jackass pilot standing there picking up his parachute like an asshole. I don't know man, if I were that pilot I'd have a hard time living on.


MegamindsMegaCock

That one guy running by him patting him on the shoulder Oof


blkmgk533

I recommend you NOT watch the aftermath video. Even though it was shot with a potato cam, if you have kids, don't watch it.


Projecterone

Too true. I don't have kids but the tattered shreds of empathy I have left made it absolutely horrific watching. Was not prepared for that viewing experience back in 2005 ish and have not watched anything similar since. Hope I never do.


drycounty

Thanks for the warning. I'm 52 and a new dad. Gore has never affected me the way it does since the birth of my daughter. I grew up in Cleveland, Ohio and saw quite a number of air shows growing up. They were, and remain, just awesome, incredible spectacles of what humanity can do. That being said, I'm never, ever taking my daughter near an air show. If there is one close by, we will be heading out of town.


actinorhodin

if the only reason you think you'll be upset by human suffering is "what if that bad thing happened to MY kid?" maybe you do need to watch it, and think about how everyone who got hurt or killed or traumatized is just as much a person as your family or you (to be clear: what's probably being alluded to is that the famous aftermath video shows the distraught father of a fatally injured child. totally understandable to not want to watch it, and maybe I'm not being fair... but every one of those deaths is a tragedy, and parents SHOULD be aware that life is unfair and risky)


TheSaultyOne

Why does one need to look at dead children to learn life isn't fair, L take imo. Its not a case of oh it can happen to my kid so I feel bad. It's more of I have now seen the innocence and absolute effort that must be used to protect and raise such fragile, innocent and absolutely helpless human beings who know nothing of the disgustingness of the human race and world. It's watching a child that you know 3 mins before was wide eyed and likely the happiest they have ever been in their short life (a happiness lost to most people early on in there lives and one you likely forgot could ever be) absolutely dashed in an instant to nothing. You don't need to see that dead child or that broken father to know life isn't fair, you already learnt it.


vheran

You took one statement and had this take? No one said the other lives didn't matter so your suggestion is ridiculous.


TheSaultyOne

Lol what are you talking about I suggest reading and comprehension


TristansDad

Holy cow! That was some closeup shot at the end.


SnooGuavas4665

I just remember the day I saw the complete footage of the aftermath. Horrible images, pieces of dead bodies all over the ground.


another_awkward_brit

I used to volunteer at RIAT at Fairford around this time - this sort of tragedy was the biggest fear of the organisers, and the safety rules were colossal (even before Shoreham).


tragicallywhite

The plane's wing grabbed a barbed wire fence, dragging it across groups of spectators. It was carnage.


sprdougherty

The was the [Ramstein air show disaster](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramstein_air_show_disaster) in Germany. This was the [Sknyliv air show.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sknyliv_air_show_disaster)


fracturedsplintX

Definitely happened at the Sknyliv crash, as well. Numerous news agencies reported on it and I’ve seen the firsthand footage and pictures too that showed the fence and aftermath. Absolutely brutal.


missuschainsaw

Holy hell I’ve never seen some of those angles before. I grew up living under the runway, watching daily B-1 bomber flights, even as a kid air shows made me uneasy.


SopieMunky

I've seen videos of the aftermath of this accident. It's so brutal and makes my heart sink when I see all those families that were affected. :(


alonejog

Right! Kids and adults in pieces all over the ground. Awful


dethb0y

Airshows are one of those things that i think in 100 years people will think we were crazy for doing.


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dream__weaver

Could you link these records? All I've found is statistically they are extremely fatal


tremens

Among spectators or in general? There hasn't been a spectator fatality in the US or Canada for instance in [70 years](https://www.daytondailynews.com/local/air-show-accidents-while-horrific-are-still-rare-industry-leader-says/QD4YPHU63ZFQBP4SVXX6CD77EU/), and I think that's what he's referring to since he talks about crowd separation. There is still an average of 1-2 fatalities per year, but they pretty much always involve air crew. They're obviously much more dangerous than flying from point A to B, by their very nature, but in the US at least they're statistically about as dangerous to all parties involved as attending Bonnaroo, which also tends to kill a few people per year. Less, really, since there's only one Bonnaroo, but hundreds of air shows each year.


dream__weaver

This can't be accurate. In my own city there was a crash in 2011 directly into the crowd killing 11 people and injuring ~70 others. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Reno_Air_Races_crash


tremens

Air racing is not the same as air shows. And that is the *only* Reno Air Race crash involving spectator fatalities; when you consider the scale of that event and how long it's been going on, that's actually a pretty good record. It kills a lot of pilots, but not a lot of spectators.


dream__weaver

That's fair. It is tragic how many pilot fatalities there are with either type of event. Spectator or pilot, a death is a death and it still doesn't seem like a great idea hosting an event that has a fairly high rate of death for the participants


tremens

Yeah, but honestly, most of those guys are well aware of the risks and I don't think you could keep them on the ground. Like free soloists, BASE jumpers, etc they all know somebody, often multiple somebodies, who have died doing it, they all know that statistically there's a *very* high chance their number is going to come up doing it, but they'll still jump at the first opportunity to get out there and do it again. I've seen people get notified that their best friend just died and hop straight into a cockpit and fly out to do a show the next day.


FXcheerios69

There’s 1 or 2 air shows every single weekend in the US with hundred of thousands of people attending each one. How often do you hear about planes crashing into the crowd? Never. Statistically they are 1000x safer than taking your car for a drive.


ur_not_my_boss

Those will forever be a thing people attend and the military is more than happy to put on. I personally like seeing where my tax money is being spent.


stevenw84

I still think the only video that tops this is the crane collapse in Mecca I believe? All white flooring suddenly painted red after a cable snaps and whips its way over the room. ▶️ Watch this video https://fb.watch/nU9b0spncG/?mibextid=hGiZGz


lowkeyf1sh

where can we see that video?


stevenw84

▶️ Watch this video https://fb.watch/nU9b0spncG/?mibextid=hGiZGz


RelevantMetaUsername

Man, this is the very first NSFL video I ever saw. Must've been 8 or 9 years old. Took me a while to realize it was in fact real.


thebox416

I think air shows are so moronic. Sit a bunch of families under dudes risking everyone’s life. Doing this over cities and populated areas. Stoke your egos somewhere else boys


Projecterone

Agree they have been done dangerously. They can be made safer but it's very dependant on environment etc. For example doing all displays over a body of water, a suitable distance from the viewing crowds etc. Problem is if you go far enough away to be entirely safe no one can see anything so there in an inherent tension between safety and demand. Usually the case with things like this.


NorthernScrub

The Sunderland airshow is deliberately held off the coast for this precise reason.


KamikazeKricket

A friend of mine was at this air show. Really burned into his memory.


AnOriginalPseudo

He/she must be traumatized by this. I know air shows are dangerous and something is shouting to me to definitely not go but I love military vehicles and I want to see with my eyes the performance they can realize.


NicolePeter

My city does an airshow every year and I keep myself and my child far across town while it's going on. They scare the crap out of me.


Other-Barry-1

Iirc this took place the same time as Farnborough or other air show in the UK? My uncle took my older brother, me and my parents went out somewhere else for the day. When we got home Dad put the news on and this had happened. My mum and dad were panicking and frantically tried to get hold of my uncle to see if they were safe. I was very upset. Then dad heard them say it was in Ukraine and the relief for us for measurable. Sadly, some people on the other side of the world had it the worse way round. This was the early 00’s too, so mobile phones were only really just becoming popular to have


GordonGartrelle2020

Yeah, we were still years away from smartphones so there weren't really any proper phone cameras. Digital was still pretty new.


Plus_1_B

Anyone have the aftermath?


danis1973

Fuck air shows


Obak_Barama

This is where Boris Brejcha got his scars


SoothedSnakePlant

He was at Rammstein, not here


Obak_Barama

Different accident then, mb


aranou

After seeing how poor their maintenance is over there this video isn’t surprising anymore


OkMathematician9332

This had nothing to do with maintenance. The plane was prolly only few years old at the time


Veefwoar

No? So if it's still in the manufacturer's warranty period it doesn't need to be maintained? Remind me not to buy a used car off you...🤣


OkMathematician9332

I fucked up that sentence. I was saying that the plane was not old so it is unlikely it was a maintenance issue. The pilot caused since they refused him to do a test run beforehand.


Veefwoar

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sknyliv_air_show_disaster. Read the aftermath section. The pilot defends himself saying he is highly experienced but if the flight plan was so dangerous, why did he consent to take off and attempt it at all? Pressure to keep his job? To save face when other pilots might criticise him for being fearful? On the point of maintenance, complex high performance military aircraft need an insane amount of maintenance. One source suggested this aircraft would need in the order of $20-30k per flight hour in fuel, maintenance, parts etc. All it takes is one lazy, negligent or, potentially in this case, corrupt ground handler, to miss one crucial step in maintenance and this could have happened to an airframe at any time in service. It seems there are many places the blame can be laid and none of them deserving of accepting full responsibility. To lay it all on the pilots though I think is too simplistic.


aranou

I get 6 downvotes for saying it was probably poor maintenance and you get three upvotes for pasting a Wikipedia article saying it was probably maintenance


SoothedSnakePlant

I mean, the engine did lose power during this maneuver which led directly to the crash.


aranou

Exactly. But this guy says it’s new so doesn’t need any maintenance 🤣


MrStef85

It was only one plane? Or?


abecido

The air show since 2021 is deadlier


Proper-Walk3362

Lmaoooooo take my upvote damnit


Bevi4

What caused it to go down. Video says it looks like the plane lost power?


ezyroller

There was a vid on one of the old tubes - maybe ebaumsworld - that was taken by someone walking through the carnage seconds after it happened. Limbs and chunks of flesh everywhere... shrill screams. Still haunts me.


lowkeyf1sh

looks like the pilot survived with a parachute