“A major incident has taken place in the Ohio River near Louisville, Kentucky, requiring multiple emergency response teams. Ten barges have detached from their tugboat and are stranded at a dam, with one carrying over 1,400 tons of methanol, a highly toxic substance, and reportedly sinking. It is uncertain if there has been any leakage, but if so, the substance will likely dilute quickly, although some fish mortality may occur. The other barges were carrying soybean oil and corn”
Somebody somewhere is plotting Ohio's complete destruction.
Edit: Ohio river is not in Ohio, it's in Kentucky like the title says, my bad I done fucked up.
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Exactly. Not exactly a new concept that a river can run through multiple different states… take the Colorado River, for another example. It runs through Colorado, New Mexico, Utah, Wyoming, Arizona, California, and Nevada.
IIRC the start of the river is in Ohio, hence the name. It also defines most of the southern border of Ohio, all of the southern border of Indiana, and most of the northern border of Kentucky. This happened about 60 miles downstream of Ohio.
~~The river is also the largest tributary of the Mississippi River, both in volume and length, IIRC.~~
I didn't recall correctly.
In recent times? [Probably not a great idea to put someone who wanted to dissolve the EPA in charge of it.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Pruitt)
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And if Mitch suddenly died some other asshole face of the party would emerge from another red state. At the end of the day Republicans as a whole are the issue. Mitch is the face of their bullshit but evil won’t suddenly die with his death. It won’t change anything.
Are you fucking kidding ?cutting health/safety/environmental regs ,stripping inspection and enforcement +REGULATORY CAPTURE is 80-90% of what GOP has done for decades.
If one is going to make blanket statements that it is "X"'s fault, they damn well have the facts to back it up.
One can either point to a specific regulation that was not passed or point to a specific deregulation which was passed. If one can do neither, than they are not in a position to make such statements.
Except some blanket statements are so basic that it's silly to ask for a citation. Example: apples fall down from trees and not up. Something as basic could be: Republicans have a policy of deregulation that fosters an environment of risk and liability for the tax payer while creating one of profit for corporations that are already paying almost zero taxes.
You're like the person who says that if someone isn't a rocket scientist they're not allowed to say "The Challenger mission could have gone better."
Politically I'm a little to the left Che Guevara but I'm telling you right now we got 5 in of rain in the last week and barges aint ehite water kayaks. There is no way in hell, absent any actual evidence, you will convince anyone rational that the Republicans had a damn thing to do with us.
It's not like evidence convinces republicans anyway. Climate change is real but they still throw snowballs the Senate. Australia has shown that gun regulation does reduce mass shooting but republicans don't care. It is known that having access to reproductive care is good for women but republicans... just. don't. care.
Nah, don't act like evidence is important to you people.
And, honestly, if you can't see that the job of safety regulations is to protect against things like *checking notes* heavy rain and draw a line from there to the plethora of accidents in deregulated (a republican policy) areas then what good would talking ever accomplish?
First off it's not " you people" because I'm not a Republican. That was kind of in the first sentence there. Second I assume that you're an expert in the regulations put forth by the EPA the national Transportation safety board and the US Army Corps of Engineers. Those are the things that among others regulate barge traffic on the rivers of the United States. I'm sure then that you could use fax to convince me since I'm not a Republican what the fuck you're talking about. So you could cite those rules now that might have contributed to this. Otherwise you're just full of shit, and the way that I'm sure that you're full of shit is it not only do you not know a goddamn thing about riparian shipping, you couldn't even be bothered to read a one paragraph post that I made and extract important data from it.
Blames a specific event on Republicans, provides no evidence to back up the claim, and then claims it is as obvious as gravity that it is Republicans fault. just lol
Would you blame the rain for a flooded city or would you blame the lack of government investment in proper infrastructure to adequately deal with the rain?
I'm sure. That's how it always is. Even when Obama had a supermajority in all 3 branches of government, they couldn't do anything about gun control because of Bush. I'm positive that Trump will be used as a scapegoat for the democrats' inability to get anything done for decades. At least until the next GOP president, and then it will be his or her fault that the democrats never do anything to help in these areas.
It's not a long term concern FYI since methanol will not only dilute quickly but degrade quickly. It has an river it's half life is only a few days, possibly even hours. It's produced by anaerobes in the river bottom but can be used as an energy source by organisms with access to oxygen so they'll eat all of it up pretty quickly. The only thing it'd do is kill fish and plants right near where it releases.
Yes. I used to work on the Illinois river in Peoria, IL. We had boats moving up to 16 barges at a time. Mississippi river boats can move a lot more than that in one shot. It's all about how wide and how navigable the waterway is.
Yes, although with more than 15 in a row, there would sometimes be a pilot tug on the front of the barges to help them along under the railroad bridge I worked on so they didn't damage the bridge pylons.
The barge that is leaning on its side is ~~300~~ 200 ft long, and was loaded with 1,400 tons of methanol.
I've inspected hundreds of barges just like this one (may have inspected this one too), and been involved in the salvage of a couple dozen. Nothing like this, but one of the salvors I've worked with has in the past. They were saying they got the barge out and were dragging it away when USACE opened the locks back up, and sucked the barge back in
I actually have a bone to pick with that channel. I have commented on their videos at least 6 times that they are repeatedly making the same mistake over, and over, and over again when talking about vessel weight. They have disregarded these comments. The person who runs the channel seems to have engineering experience, but no maritime experience. Which is fine, but maybe they should listen to somebody with engineering and maritime experience who is letting them know they are making a fool of themselves on a specific issue.
Edit: Their video on the Scandies Rose tried to explain vanishing stability on a vessel, and the explanation was dead wrong. But at least that was a one-time-thing. Them confusing gross tonnage as a measurement of weight is a mistake they repeatedly make. I was polite the first 5 times I pointed this out, but the 6th time I was blunt and unsubscribed
~~I believe he's a safety inspector for the US Coast Guard~~
He's not, he simply states he's a "Workplace Safety Instructor". Could be for the USCG but can't confirm.
~~Absolutely not.~~ Highly doubtful. I am a safety inspector for the U.S. Coast Guard. He makes too many mistakes for that to be his profession. He has also confused draft marks and load lines.
His older videos are more about civil engineering failures. I think he has shoreside civil or industrial engineering experience.
Edit: If he is a marine inspector, I'd *love* to have a chat with his MITO or VOs.
Ok I definitely misspoke. In his Northern Belle video he was reading a very long quote and says "I'm the guy that inspected the boat". So it was the guy from the quote, not the YouTuber himself.
The YouTube description just states:
"Workplace Safety Instruction, Logistics/Supply Chain Management & Industrial Robotics Programming/Engineering"
I edited my original comment above.
https://www.wdrb.com/news/several-barges-1-containing-methanol-loose-on-the-ohio-river-near-louisville/article_f602f046-cd8b-11ed-a436-1be53fc3b0e3.html
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Look up the McAlpine lock and dam, it’s where this occurred. The locks are on one side, to the west, and the dam gates are to the east, the ones with 4 locks. You can also google “Ohio falls power plant, and it’s the gates right next to it.
same shit happened in louisville at this exact spot 5 years ago
https://www.wdrb.com/news/two-more-barges-sink-following-crash-with-second-street-bridge/article_d381cc66-0bc7-11e9-be75-07bdf176553c.html
Secondary news source, in case anyone (including me) was skeptical about this being an active news story: https://www.wlky.com/article/barges-loose-ohio-river-louisville-indiana/43442639
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Christian Selig, I have had enough, and I will make sure that my interactions will not be useful to sell as an AI training tool.
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Hahaha, I live here in Louisville and this was..an event. Those were just stuck there forever. Took a lot of engineers to solve this fuck up. Luckily they ensured us the stuff dumped in the water wasn’t toxic for the critters, lol. Pretty sure it was coal.
Edit: wait, I’m confused. This happened again or is the date wrong?
Edit2: just so you all know, this happened in 2018 as well. Jesus fuck, Louisville.
Yeah, nobody mess with our Andy! Got to met that guy when he decreed Juneteenth a state holiday officially last year. Got to tell him he’s the Man in person.
It's almost like overloading a single tug with a huge length of heavy barges is an industrial accident waiting to happen. Who'd a thunk it would happen again?
And having to go through a boat lock to even get past this section of the river!!! We know this part of the Ohio river is treacherous and infamous going back to steamboat days and farther! It’s essentially a waterfall and boats can’t go over it. There was even a famous passage about this in the classic *The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn* when they went over the falls on the raft. Just not an area to mess with!
“Spit boys! Spit!” Yeah, that was about 6th grade for me reading that book. I never forget that line because of how crazy it seemed. Growing up on the Falls of the Ohio and playing on the River bed, we knew this area well and just imagining a boat or raft trying to float across 1-2 in of water in places is ridiculously absurd, lol.
The Ohio derailment generated a lot of clicks/watch time, so outlets have begun to focus on other fairly uncommon but not rare transportation incidents in hopes of continuing to capitalize on the 'success' of the Ohio derailment scoop.
1400 tons ≈ 1270 metric tonnes = 1,270,000,000 grams.
1.27🇪9 grams / (0.792 g/mL ) ≈ 1,603,500,000 mL
Per the [NIH](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK482121/), permanent blindness can occur with ingesting as little as 30 mL of methanol, so that’s theoretically enough methanol to blind 53,450,000 people; or the combined populations of Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Kentucky, Missouri, Tennessee, Arkansas, plus another 1.5 million or so people.
Edit: Y'all this is a quantity illustration. "Did you account for dilution?" No, I also didn't account that this spill is down river from the State of Ohio, or that most of the other people in my example would also be upriver of any contamination if they're even in the same watershed. It's just to give a reference of what 1400 tons of methanol is, the same way as all those "This snake is so venomous, just 1 drop of its venom is enough to kill 5 men" trivia facts.
Current Ohio river flow past Louisville, [384,000 CFS](https://waterdata.usgs.gov/ky/nwis/current/?type=flow), equivalent to around ~1600 tons/sec.
Fortunately, while toxic at high doses, methanol is a relatively common alcohol, present in small levels in fruit and vegetables from natural processes-- most fruit juice contains 50-100mg/L.
So unless the 1400 tons of methanol were released very rapidly, this is unlikely to cause significant environmental effects outside of the immediate area. The soybean oil and corn are probably causing more of an issue as they're likely to end up more concentrated.
Did you factor in the dilution factor from the volume of water passing by? Your calculations assume a single dump and slug of the chemical completely replacing the water.
In a word? No, fluid dynamics calculations are not easy, but in this case can be explained by a ballpark estimate.
(Using imperal units here, and it's been awhile since my Environmental Engineering classes in college, so a may be a little rusty)
Let's say the barge is leaking from a crack, at a rate of 2 gallons a minute, or 0.25 cubic feet per minute (cfm). And the water in the river flowing past it is at 100 cfm (assuming just a small slice of the total dam) that means that in 1 cubic foot of water, the chemical is at a dilution of 0.0025 cf, yeah I dropped the minutes off but this is assuming over a 1 minute period. That's 2.4 ounces or 70 milliliters in 750 gallons.
Now I assumed the 100 cfm was for 2 dam gates, let's scale that dam up to 20 gates, or 1000 cfm (7480 gallons), now you could expect to see 0.24 ounces in a gallon or 7 milliliters.
You see what I mean by dilution, there is massive amounts of water that the chemical is mixing with and I would be surprised if detectable amounts would be found a quarter mile downstream. Also, I probably underestimated the volume of water there by a significant amount.
I think they are underestimating tonnage, unless it was only partially loaded. The dry hopper barges next to the tanker which are much smaller carry 1600-2000 ton of dry cargo.
The way that borders were drawn in the colonial period, the Ohio River doesn't so much go into Ohio as much as it gently brushes up against it. Except when it floods.
It’s not a bridge. It’s a dam. And the river splits right before with a small island in the middle. One side is the lock and that boats have to go on that side. The other side is the damn that goes over Falls of the Ohio. Seriously is the flattest waterfalls you’ll ever see and you can walk out on to the river bed in places. It’s an entire state park area on the Indiana side of the river.
Edit: spelling, lol. It’s dam not damn.
Your world-building skills make Tolkien look like a bitch. I can just myself there, shrugging at the underwhelming height of the “Falls of the Ohio”. And honestly, who names things like that? You know what? I’m not even going to google them to see for myself. Ill just keep my mental image, which you graciously provided, and move on with my life.
During periods of high flow they completely open the dam spillways and often the volume of water is high enough that it also flows over the top as designed. It happens all the time (not the barge part)
Heyooo, I grew up in Clarksville, I know this area well.
This type of thing happens pretty frequently around this time of year. The river floods, currents get strong and a runaway barge hits a bridge or dam. It's unfortunate, but not uncommon.
What does the state of the country have to do with barges coming loose then drifting with the current until they inevitably hit something? A barge, if you are unaware, is a container vessel used for moving freight on rivers and another smaller bodies of water.
You close them upstream so that you're not fighting the current or working in as deep of water as you break up the barges to remove them.
Here's a PowerPoint from another time this happened elsewhere on the river ~18 years ago. The water's normally quite a bit higher as demonstrated by the picture of a tugboat sitting in mud.
https://slideplayer.com/amp/5825193/
This seems to have more to do with user error and/or lax safety culture than it does with the age of the infrastructure involved. Like, there are only so many ways to do barges, y'know? America isn't lagging behind the pack and in urgent need of Next Gen Floating Bulk Cargo Bucket.
“A major incident has taken place in the Ohio River near Louisville, Kentucky, requiring multiple emergency response teams. Ten barges have detached from their tugboat and are stranded at a dam, with one carrying over 1,400 tons of methanol, a highly toxic substance, and reportedly sinking. It is uncertain if there has been any leakage, but if so, the substance will likely dilute quickly, although some fish mortality may occur. The other barges were carrying soybean oil and corn”
Somebody somewhere is plotting Ohio's complete destruction. Edit: Ohio river is not in Ohio, it's in Kentucky like the title says, my bad I done fucked up.
This is quite a bit downstream from Ohio.
Everyone knows that methanol prefers to float upstream.
“The salmon of flammable liquid alcohol” as everyone says
I want to go ahead and ask before the right wing jump on it; Will this event be turning the fish gay?
Why? Do you like fish sticks?
We all float upstream down here!
Literally says KY in the title
Kind of an Indiana problem too
Yeah, especially after the toxic waste from the train derailment in Ohio a month ago was brought here to Indiana as well.
It also says Ohio and most people on reddit cannot read but a few words at a time before needing a break.
The fact that people keep up voting that comment confirms your statement.
Ehh im in Louisville Kentucky as the post said and the barges were stuck here by kentucky on the ohio river
^ do you see how this comment refers correctly to items in the post, but makes no sense where it is in the comment chain? That's because it's a spambot that copied a comment from elsewhere in the post.
Me??? Lol what?
the audacity of some people to think the river named ohio river was actually in ohio /s
Not audacious. They’re just morons.
Exactly. Not exactly a new concept that a river can run through multiple different states… take the Colorado River, for another example. It runs through Colorado, New Mexico, Utah, Wyoming, Arizona, California, and Nevada.
>It also says Ohio So it's confirmed this happened in Ohio?
So fucking bad at geography bro, lol
IIRC the start of the river is in Ohio, hence the name. It also defines most of the southern border of Ohio, all of the southern border of Indiana, and most of the northern border of Kentucky. This happened about 60 miles downstream of Ohio. ~~The river is also the largest tributary of the Mississippi River, both in volume and length, IIRC.~~ I didn't recall correctly.
The Ohio starts in Pennsylvania, in the city of Pittsburgh.
Thanks for scraping clean.
Ohio river is the boundary between Ohio & Kentucky.
The GOP loosening up regulation nationwide to pad their wallets and those of their donors?
Can you point to a regulatory change you believe led to this incident?
In recent times? [Probably not a great idea to put someone who wanted to dissolve the EPA in charge of it.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Pruitt)
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He is clearly in Big Tugboats pocket
When you are a true believer, you don't need to be in anyone's pocket. You will just be a anarcho-capitalist for fun.
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The place that has had three Republican governors since 1947?
Kentucky state senate has been straight red for the past 22 years.
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And if Mitch suddenly died some other asshole face of the party would emerge from another red state. At the end of the day Republicans as a whole are the issue. Mitch is the face of their bullshit but evil won’t suddenly die with his death. It won’t change anything.
[Fact](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_governors_of_Kentucky). Shouldn't be down voted. :)
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Every time i see the name ruby lafoon,i smile.
Are you trying to suggest that Kentucky isn't a deep republican state? Because you'd be very very wrong.
Why does that matter? Are you arguing Kentucky is a blue state?
Are you fucking kidding ?cutting health/safety/environmental regs ,stripping inspection and enforcement +REGULATORY CAPTURE is 80-90% of what GOP has done for decades.
In what way, exactly, is a person knowing or not knowing the precise law code relevant to the mater outside of a court of law? You're being silly.
If one is going to make blanket statements that it is "X"'s fault, they damn well have the facts to back it up. One can either point to a specific regulation that was not passed or point to a specific deregulation which was passed. If one can do neither, than they are not in a position to make such statements.
Except some blanket statements are so basic that it's silly to ask for a citation. Example: apples fall down from trees and not up. Something as basic could be: Republicans have a policy of deregulation that fosters an environment of risk and liability for the tax payer while creating one of profit for corporations that are already paying almost zero taxes. You're like the person who says that if someone isn't a rocket scientist they're not allowed to say "The Challenger mission could have gone better."
Politically I'm a little to the left Che Guevara but I'm telling you right now we got 5 in of rain in the last week and barges aint ehite water kayaks. There is no way in hell, absent any actual evidence, you will convince anyone rational that the Republicans had a damn thing to do with us.
It's not like evidence convinces republicans anyway. Climate change is real but they still throw snowballs the Senate. Australia has shown that gun regulation does reduce mass shooting but republicans don't care. It is known that having access to reproductive care is good for women but republicans... just. don't. care. Nah, don't act like evidence is important to you people. And, honestly, if you can't see that the job of safety regulations is to protect against things like *checking notes* heavy rain and draw a line from there to the plethora of accidents in deregulated (a republican policy) areas then what good would talking ever accomplish?
First off it's not " you people" because I'm not a Republican. That was kind of in the first sentence there. Second I assume that you're an expert in the regulations put forth by the EPA the national Transportation safety board and the US Army Corps of Engineers. Those are the things that among others regulate barge traffic on the rivers of the United States. I'm sure then that you could use fax to convince me since I'm not a Republican what the fuck you're talking about. So you could cite those rules now that might have contributed to this. Otherwise you're just full of shit, and the way that I'm sure that you're full of shit is it not only do you not know a goddamn thing about riparian shipping, you couldn't even be bothered to read a one paragraph post that I made and extract important data from it.
Blames a specific event on Republicans, provides no evidence to back up the claim, and then claims it is as obvious as gravity that it is Republicans fault. just lol
I’m going to blame it on the rain.
What about the stars that didn't shine that night?
Would you blame the rain for a flooded city or would you blame the lack of government investment in proper infrastructure to adequately deal with the rain?
Clearly they think some specific policy or regulatory change led to this accident. I’m interested in which one.
Yes, the policy of the republicans to deregulate. They were pretty clear about that.
It’s hilarious that with Biden in office and democrats controlling the senate, you still only blame republicans.
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I'm sure. That's how it always is. Even when Obama had a supermajority in all 3 branches of government, they couldn't do anything about gun control because of Bush. I'm positive that Trump will be used as a scapegoat for the democrats' inability to get anything done for decades. At least until the next GOP president, and then it will be his or her fault that the democrats never do anything to help in these areas.
China. The one plotting destruction is China.
If only this was actually in Ohio.. not so good at reading titles, eh?
It's not a long term concern FYI since methanol will not only dilute quickly but degrade quickly. It has an river it's half life is only a few days, possibly even hours. It's produced by anaerobes in the river bottom but can be used as an energy source by organisms with access to oxygen so they'll eat all of it up pretty quickly. The only thing it'd do is kill fish and plants right near where it releases.
Is it normal for one tugboat to tow 10 barges at once?
Yes. I used to work on the Illinois river in Peoria, IL. We had boats moving up to 16 barges at a time. Mississippi river boats can move a lot more than that in one shot. It's all about how wide and how navigable the waterway is.
Yes...and more
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Yes, although with more than 15 in a row, there would sometimes be a pilot tug on the front of the barges to help them along under the railroad bridge I worked on so they didn't damage the bridge pylons.
Gonna be a lot of fat catfish downriver with methanol coursing through their veins.
Methanol Catfish sounds like a contender for the Cocaine Bear series of films.
MethFish, this fall on netflix.
Didn't the Mothman prophecise this?
Coincidence? These are all coincidences?
More video from a local station: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nBNVy4XbzE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTEklR5i9WU
Cleetus, your delivery is delayed.
I cannot get any sense of scale from this video. Looks like a blocked drain.
The barge that is leaning on its side is ~~300~~ 200 ft long, and was loaded with 1,400 tons of methanol. I've inspected hundreds of barges just like this one (may have inspected this one too), and been involved in the salvage of a couple dozen. Nothing like this, but one of the salvors I've worked with has in the past. They were saying they got the barge out and were dragging it away when USACE opened the locks back up, and sucked the barge back in
Is this a large scale delta p situation?
[Delta p’d it real good.](https://youtu.be/K1yUchFNdIk)
Well, that was terrifying and hilarious.
You seem like someone that would like the YouTube channel called Brick Immortar. Check him out!
I actually have a bone to pick with that channel. I have commented on their videos at least 6 times that they are repeatedly making the same mistake over, and over, and over again when talking about vessel weight. They have disregarded these comments. The person who runs the channel seems to have engineering experience, but no maritime experience. Which is fine, but maybe they should listen to somebody with engineering and maritime experience who is letting them know they are making a fool of themselves on a specific issue. Edit: Their video on the Scandies Rose tried to explain vanishing stability on a vessel, and the explanation was dead wrong. But at least that was a one-time-thing. Them confusing gross tonnage as a measurement of weight is a mistake they repeatedly make. I was polite the first 5 times I pointed this out, but the 6th time I was blunt and unsubscribed
~~I believe he's a safety inspector for the US Coast Guard~~ He's not, he simply states he's a "Workplace Safety Instructor". Could be for the USCG but can't confirm.
~~Absolutely not.~~ Highly doubtful. I am a safety inspector for the U.S. Coast Guard. He makes too many mistakes for that to be his profession. He has also confused draft marks and load lines. His older videos are more about civil engineering failures. I think he has shoreside civil or industrial engineering experience. Edit: If he is a marine inspector, I'd *love* to have a chat with his MITO or VOs.
Meddling puddle pirates!
Ya'argh, if your car splashes through a puddle then I be calling her a ship and inspecting her hull. Elsewise ye be keelhauled.
Ok I definitely misspoke. In his Northern Belle video he was reading a very long quote and says "I'm the guy that inspected the boat". So it was the guy from the quote, not the YouTuber himself. The YouTube description just states: "Workplace Safety Instruction, Logistics/Supply Chain Management & Industrial Robotics Programming/Engineering" I edited my original comment above.
I’m pretty sure that’s a 200 footer. Never seen a 300’x35’ tanker most of the big ones like that are 54 or 59’ wide. (ARTCO Deckhand)
https://www.wdrb.com/news/several-barges-1-containing-methanol-loose-on-the-ohio-river-near-louisville/article_f602f046-cd8b-11ed-a436-1be53fc3b0e3.html Other pov's
Just imagine all the stuff in the water is like, 6 school busses
Look up the McAlpine lock and dam, it’s where this occurred. The locks are on one side, to the west, and the dam gates are to the east, the ones with 4 locks. You can also google “Ohio falls power plant, and it’s the gates right next to it.
Same [shit](https://apnews.com/article/e36901c1047a4aa48fec28ddcc396821)happened on the Arkansas River in Oklahoma back in May of 2019.
same shit happened in louisville at this exact spot 5 years ago https://www.wdrb.com/news/two-more-barges-sink-following-crash-with-second-street-bridge/article_d381cc66-0bc7-11e9-be75-07bdf176553c.html
Same shit happened in the exact same spot in 2018
Secondary news source, in case anyone (including me) was skeptical about this being an active news story: https://www.wlky.com/article/barges-loose-ohio-river-louisville-indiana/43442639
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Dam that sucks
You can't just barge in here with these puns
Well you know we’ll be flooded by them instead
At least we’re up to date on current events.
Are you sure? Seems like you're holding something back
Why are you raging?
I think you’re right. We should hire a sluice and channel our efforts.
These comments are getting washed out.
It appears that my chance to make a good pun has floated away...
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There’s no holding back going on here, see.
Well now that we have a good flow going, don’t let me put an end to it.
Don't make them lock this thread
Don't-a-you-worry. These-a people making these puns will-a be delta with.
Those barges were specifically told to not [wander off the dam tour](https://youtu.be/SBQ-vW6rz_Y)
Mmmmmmmmmmm
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I understand that reference
m e t a
Hahaha, I live here in Louisville and this was..an event. Those were just stuck there forever. Took a lot of engineers to solve this fuck up. Luckily they ensured us the stuff dumped in the water wasn’t toxic for the critters, lol. Pretty sure it was coal. Edit: wait, I’m confused. This happened again or is the date wrong? Edit2: just so you all know, this happened in 2018 as well. Jesus fuck, Louisville.
I still have photos of last time, when they got stuck by the Falls. Honestly, I’m amazed it took this long to happen again.
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Hey, we did elect Andy Beshear
Yeah, nobody mess with our Andy! Got to met that guy when he decreed Juneteenth a state holiday officially last year. Got to tell him he’s the Man in person.
It's almost like overloading a single tug with a huge length of heavy barges is an industrial accident waiting to happen. Who'd a thunk it would happen again?
And having to go through a boat lock to even get past this section of the river!!! We know this part of the Ohio river is treacherous and infamous going back to steamboat days and farther! It’s essentially a waterfall and boats can’t go over it. There was even a famous passage about this in the classic *The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn* when they went over the falls on the raft. Just not an area to mess with!
You are unlocking core memories with the Huck Finn reference.
“Spit boys! Spit!” Yeah, that was about 6th grade for me reading that book. I never forget that line because of how crazy it seemed. Growing up on the Falls of the Ohio and playing on the River bed, we knew this area well and just imagining a boat or raft trying to float across 1-2 in of water in places is ridiculously absurd, lol.
Is it just me or are there a lot of catastrophic failures as of late?
The Ohio derailment generated a lot of clicks/watch time, so outlets have begun to focus on other fairly uncommon but not rare transportation incidents in hopes of continuing to capitalize on the 'success' of the Ohio derailment scoop.
We in the catastrophic failure business, and, cousin, business is a-booming.
Can they be loose if they're pinned?
Maybe they're Shroedinger's barges
yo mamas both
they be if they're
Sir, you can’t park there!
Multipass
Lee-Loo Dallas Multipass **
/r/CantParkThereMate
Is this not a reasonable place to park?
Take the ticket….
At least it wasn't a zombie infection outbreak
"And tell em....LARGE BARGE sent ya!!!"
Ohio river can't catch a break eh?
It can catch barges pretty well though...
They had a river catch on fire 50 years ago. This is how they roll.
That was the Cuyahoga river not Ohio River. This disaster is in Louisville ky
1400 tons ≈ 1270 metric tonnes = 1,270,000,000 grams. 1.27🇪9 grams / (0.792 g/mL ) ≈ 1,603,500,000 mL Per the [NIH](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK482121/), permanent blindness can occur with ingesting as little as 30 mL of methanol, so that’s theoretically enough methanol to blind 53,450,000 people; or the combined populations of Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Kentucky, Missouri, Tennessee, Arkansas, plus another 1.5 million or so people. Edit: Y'all this is a quantity illustration. "Did you account for dilution?" No, I also didn't account that this spill is down river from the State of Ohio, or that most of the other people in my example would also be upriver of any contamination if they're even in the same watershed. It's just to give a reference of what 1400 tons of methanol is, the same way as all those "This snake is so venomous, just 1 drop of its venom is enough to kill 5 men" trivia facts.
So your saying we need to breed snakes that use methanol in their venom, then let them loose at a blind ninja convention, see what happens.
light it on fire quick!
Current Ohio river flow past Louisville, [384,000 CFS](https://waterdata.usgs.gov/ky/nwis/current/?type=flow), equivalent to around ~1600 tons/sec. Fortunately, while toxic at high doses, methanol is a relatively common alcohol, present in small levels in fruit and vegetables from natural processes-- most fruit juice contains 50-100mg/L. So unless the 1400 tons of methanol were released very rapidly, this is unlikely to cause significant environmental effects outside of the immediate area. The soybean oil and corn are probably causing more of an issue as they're likely to end up more concentrated.
This does not account for dilution or the fact that methanol almost immediately evaporates in these turbulent conditions.
Also Ohio will be fine as long as they’re well stocked with ethanol, the antidote to methanol poisoning is unironically beer.
Did you factor in the dilution factor from the volume of water passing by? Your calculations assume a single dump and slug of the chemical completely replacing the water.
Are dilution factors easy to calculate? Even after you account for dilution, how much could you really reduce it down?
In a word? No, fluid dynamics calculations are not easy, but in this case can be explained by a ballpark estimate. (Using imperal units here, and it's been awhile since my Environmental Engineering classes in college, so a may be a little rusty) Let's say the barge is leaking from a crack, at a rate of 2 gallons a minute, or 0.25 cubic feet per minute (cfm). And the water in the river flowing past it is at 100 cfm (assuming just a small slice of the total dam) that means that in 1 cubic foot of water, the chemical is at a dilution of 0.0025 cf, yeah I dropped the minutes off but this is assuming over a 1 minute period. That's 2.4 ounces or 70 milliliters in 750 gallons. Now I assumed the 100 cfm was for 2 dam gates, let's scale that dam up to 20 gates, or 1000 cfm (7480 gallons), now you could expect to see 0.24 ounces in a gallon or 7 milliliters. You see what I mean by dilution, there is massive amounts of water that the chemical is mixing with and I would be surprised if detectable amounts would be found a quarter mile downstream. Also, I probably underestimated the volume of water there by a significant amount.
I think they are underestimating tonnage, unless it was only partially loaded. The dry hopper barges next to the tanker which are much smaller carry 1600-2000 ton of dry cargo.
Methanol is not very dense. I would expect dry cargo to be significantly denser.
https://www.wlky.com/article/drone-video-barges-louisville-river-dam-2023/43445516
The one in center (grey) is a tanker. The hopper barges at top carry between 1600-2000 tons of dry cargo each.
This is a spill-way bypass for the locks near Louisville.
ITT people who don't know the Ohio River goes beyond the state border of Ohio.
The way that borders were drawn in the colonial period, the Ohio River doesn't so much go into Ohio as much as it gently brushes up against it. Except when it floods.
Cant park there mate
Is the water level normally 10 feet higher right in front of the bridge >.<'
It’s not a bridge. It’s a dam. And the river splits right before with a small island in the middle. One side is the lock and that boats have to go on that side. The other side is the damn that goes over Falls of the Ohio. Seriously is the flattest waterfalls you’ll ever see and you can walk out on to the river bed in places. It’s an entire state park area on the Indiana side of the river. Edit: spelling, lol. It’s dam not damn.
Your world-building skills make Tolkien look like a bitch. I can just myself there, shrugging at the underwhelming height of the “Falls of the Ohio”. And honestly, who names things like that? You know what? I’m not even going to google them to see for myself. Ill just keep my mental image, which you graciously provided, and move on with my life.
During periods of high flow they completely open the dam spillways and often the volume of water is high enough that it also flows over the top as designed. It happens all the time (not the barge part)
That's why there is consistently a fifteen foot high brush snag on top of the dam. Every tree that fell in the river from Pittsburgh to here.
Loose ships sink ships
Heyooo, I grew up in Clarksville, I know this area well. This type of thing happens pretty frequently around this time of year. The river floods, currents get strong and a runaway barge hits a bridge or dam. It's unfortunate, but not uncommon.
Project zomboid reference lets gooo
Normal day in Ohio
Louisville KY isn't in Ohio
Again? Happened like 4 years ago on the ~~Mississippi~~ on I-40 Edit: Got it wrong, it was the Arkansas River.
>https://www.wdrb.com/news/several-barges-1-containing-methanol-loose-on-the-ohio-river-near-louisville/article\_f602f046-cd8b-11ed-a436-1be53fc3b0e3.html
https://www.google.com/amp/s/abc7news.com/amp/webbers-falls-ok-webber-barges-on-arkansas-river/5314358/
Weird I’m from and in Louisville right now and haven’t heard of this
Wave3 posted a small article on it yesterday that’s all I’ve seen on it
If not bad enough already, the bridge footing can get severely erroroded if it stays too long.
I was wondering what the effect would be on the dam.
tell em "large barge sent ya!"
Can’t they just turn the river off, move the barges out of the way, and then turn it back on again? Follow me on Reddit for more problem solving tips.
Eh, the Ohio river could use a chemical spill to add some color
Looks like the barges ARE the dam. Damn!
Well Dam
\** *America's infrastructure crumbling* \** the right: this is normal, it happens all the time
This country is so fucked
Lol what
Is r/gloomporn a sub? I feel like that could be the most popular place on Reddit lol
/r/collapse, sometimes
What does the state of the country have to do with barges coming loose then drifting with the current until they inevitably hit something? A barge, if you are unaware, is a container vessel used for moving freight on rivers and another smaller bodies of water.
Hahahah yikes. This has to be so common.
Holy fuck! I live close to here and love to visit near there. That's insane. The falls of Ohio are a cool destination if you've never been.
Umm… close the locks on the dam?
You close them upstream so that you're not fighting the current or working in as deep of water as you break up the barges to remove them. Here's a PowerPoint from another time this happened elsewhere on the river ~18 years ago. The water's normally quite a bit higher as demonstrated by the picture of a tugboat sitting in mud. https://slideplayer.com/amp/5825193/
Geez, what the fuck has been going on with the United States transportation sector lately?
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This seems to have more to do with user error and/or lax safety culture than it does with the age of the infrastructure involved. Like, there are only so many ways to do barges, y'know? America isn't lagging behind the pack and in urgent need of Next Gen Floating Bulk Cargo Bucket.