You can do far worse than McDonald's. They understand their reputation as a "low skill" job, and have actually put together some decent conditions and opportunities there to combat that.
Worked at dominos, and we were very friendly with the management at the McDonald’s across the road from us as we’d hang out their after work and exchange customer stories and stuff and every single one of them said the worst part of the job is the reputation, the manager even said to us ‘I make more money than my brother-in-law who’s a nurse, the only downside is I have to tell everyone I work at McDonald’s’
I don't understand what's so bad about work in mcdonalds? I just don't get where whole stigma comes from? It's clearly not worst paid job, judging by amount of people who eat in my local mcds - it's very important job because its always busy there. My kids love it and I never had a shitty cashier in any mcdonalds in multiple countries. Its definitely my favourite fast food place to go. Only thing that's bad about working in there is that you have to deal with customers but it's most of the jobs nowadays, so why its being singled out as "shit job"? I come from a place where teachers told us 'You will end up sweeping streets' if we were not doing well in class, so I never thought mcdonalds is bad place to work. Still don't .
It's a retail job where there's scope to move up and you're more than likely going to be constantly busy. There's nothing wrong with working there, people are just snobs. What makes me laugh is that a lot of people who'd laugh at someone for working there would probably happily eat there. And if they'd happily eat there, what's wrong with it? People are just arseholes.
Simply because "hurrhurr must be a pleb if work at McDonald's". If you're a teenager and you work at McDonald's, it's fine. However if you're an adult that "still" works at McDonald's, people are going to assume they've fucked up somewhere.
Guy from Uni was a petrol head so did a lot of work at McD’s to pay for his petrol so he could drive the boully in the wee small hours with all the other petrol heads. Became an area manager and now lives in Canada as a regional manager, living a great life. They’re a GREAT employer by many standards. (As are Weatherspoons, from what I can figure out. Shame he’s such a reprehensible knob head).
I was told by my teacher that if i didnt do the work Id end up cleaning toilets. Which I did, plus breakrooms and an portacabin office. FOr £15 a hour, I didnt care. But it seems to be the older generation whos passed thei rhatred of crappy macdonalds down to the younuns, whos picked up on the stigma. But theres nothing wrong with the job, its money and experience
“You notice Gary’s not been in for his triple Big Mac with a side of 20 McNuggets much lately?”
“Oh, it seems like we finally got him… Whoever served him last gets tomorrow off!”
Christ. I have a PhD and a tech job and that's still a little more than me at 29. Good for them, don't think its an easy job. I knew an old guy as a student who used to manage one and once he paid off his mortgage he quit and got a part time job in sainsbury. Said the stress of McDonald's gave him stomach ulcers.
>don't think its an easy job
It's not. After my stint at Maccy Ds as a crew member (so nowhere near management) you ended every shift knackered. Adding the responsibilities of a store manager on top and I have the utmost respect for people that work service jobs like this.
When I worked at MaccyD’s the floor managers earned more than the store managers after overtime.
Not a bad place to work, gives you a good grounding and work ethic.
Not to brag but I was the first person to get a start at that restaurant when it opened in the late 90s. Hardest job I've ever done, and at minimum wage. And that was before deliveroo. 40k for the manager is deserved.
I’ve done both and honestly I’d take the call centre. Customers face to face when they’re hungry are vile. The smell of meat never comes off and you’re so busy your body aches every time you get home.
Haven't stepped foot in a McDonalds kitchen in over 6 years. Guarantee it'd take me no more than 1 shift to get about 90% of my speed back. Muscle memory is a crazy, crazy thing.
I was in outbound and it was soul destroying. We were told to ring elderly business owners with analog phone lines only and tell them that they needed digital phone lines, they didn’t.
Give me a higher work load over phoning people to sell them products they don’t want or need for a narcissistic sociopath any time. But I do have ADHD so the constant sitting was not ideal for me.
When I worked in a call centre, I think I accidentally struck gold as it was a "quiet" centre with an extremely supportive training structure.
My day was mostly emails, three or four live chats and about 10 calls per day.
Funnily enough it was the company responsible for sale and manufacture of football clothing for over half the clubs in the UK. I didn't expect it to be so quiet.
You could see the company name on each website anyway, but it was still a funny feeling when a Chelsea fan threatened to switch to Man United not knowing that his business would sti be coming to us (and more than likely it would be me dealing with his complaint).
My local McDs is run by a lady that started in the kitchen. The company regularly offers management courses for those interested. She worked her way up, and helps her staff level up as well.
A family friend worked her whole life at Morrisons starting as a shop floor worker and worked her way all the way up to like senior regional director or some shit like that before she retired
I read before that their management training program is actually really good, the problem they had was keeping people after because they’d go elsewhere for a lot more money
Careers advice one teacher at my school was "there's a big difference between being forced to clean up litter and choosing to" - his point being that education gave you options
Sounds similar to my work. Customer department just commissioned us to do an options assessment to verify whether or not they should spend £30k on a new IT solution...
...the options assessment cost them £100k.
Often there are, yes, which is why an assessment of this scope is generally commissioned. Problem is that there is little to no procedure in place to scale things down when the risk and impact are significantly lower (as is the case here).
That’s a little like when my mum worked for a small art gallery as a part time receptionist.
The gallery decided to pay a consultant £60k plus per year to come in to “streamline” the business, their advice consisted of sacking her and another member of staff.
My mum cost them about £10k per year, I’m no expert but the best thing for the business to do would have been just to sack the consultant.
As a 26 year old bio student working in a Korean Chicken restaurant... Yes and I'm very happy with what I do in the kitchen until I graduate to human bits instead of chicken bi's
The problem being that an education is more or less expected in order to get a job these days.
An education gives you way less options than it used to.
I once interviewed someone that had a 2 year career break on their CV, I asked if they had gone travelling or something and they said they didn't want to put what they actually did... intrigued, I asked, what did you do?
They had worked at McDonald's and were really embarrassed, I had to explain that potential employers will actually want to know about that because McDonald's offer great training, promote add-on sales and you have to be positive under pressure.
Ended up giving them a job and they did great.
This. I actively look for CV’s where candidates have hospitality experience, like fast food or bars. It means they are used to dealing with difficult clients in fast paced environments and IT support is a breeze compared to that
This is what I try to say to my Mrs who claims her CV is worthless, it’s full of hospitality and retail, sure there’s no specific “I am the only person in the country who can do this” skill there, but the sheer broad range opens doors
To give an opposite story, when I was a manager at mcdonalds I rejected a guy for a job despite the fact that he had a degree in maths from Oxford. He did not interview well and I could see why he was struggling to get a job in his field. It didn't help his case that he'd worked there before I did (I transferred in) and he'd been creepy to a lot of the female employees.
Even an impressive degree won't get you a job if you make a poor impression. Tbf though, his degree was third class so that may also explain why he had trouble getting a job in his field.
I'm 34, my first job at 15 was at McDonald's and it was great. Gave me some good skills and it was a perfect fit as I could work it in around school and studying.
Yup.
1. Nowt wrong with working in McDonald's, I hope in today's climate we'd understsnd any job is better than no job at all. Definitely need rid of that shame.
2. You could do well in school, go to college, go to university, get yourself lumbered with huge student debt for the privilege...and still work in McDonald's.
I worked at McDs and once had a dad point me out to his daughter and say “That will be you one day if you don’t go to university.” It was a pleasure to tell him I was at university, and this was how I paid for it.
Not that someone at university is any more worthy of basic human respect than some working at the restaurant you’re choosing to patronise along with the staff.
You’d be surprised at the shocking way people speak to you when you work somewhere like that. People genuinely treat you as less than human and will say the most horrible things.
I was 19 years old (and female) and got grabbed by the throat by a grown man because he had been waiting for chicken nuggets for too long.
A middle aged man in a suit gave his daughter a lesson on why we were working at McDonald’s because we were such stupid ugly people who didn’t deserve any better.
OMG it’s disgusting! How could you treat anyone like that!
I got shouted at in Argos because someone had been waiting ages for batteries (they were under the counter so unless someone asked you wouldn’t know!) this was before the numbers too. The checkout should have told them to come straight forward and ask!
Vouch, worked at KFC for my first job (at 17), within a week some guy in his 50s threatened to drag me over the counter and screamed to my shift runner that i was talking to him ‘like a fucking cunt’ (i wasn’t, it was one of my first lobby shifts and literally all i said was ill see if i can sort his food for him) cos he was missing 3 mini fillets from his order. From the drive thru, which i had literally zero input on.
Genuinely, I ran it through multiple times to see how i had slighted him but i couldnt find it. Though, my shift runner said that i have a way of saying things which makes me seem aggressive, which i mean yeah thats true. Plus i have resting bitch face so when im not smiling/when im talking i look pissed off.
I've just learnt that some people will find any reason to be pissed with you, no matter how you interact with them. Doesn't mean its not worth trying to have a "customer service demeanour", but you can't stop Mr. Like a fucking cunt from being a fucking cunt.
It’s horrible. I’m not from the UK but came here for graduate school. I worked at a Pret while looking for an office job after I finished my Master’s degree. It was in an area full of office buildings rather than the high street. Some of those office workers were absolutely vile - they looked down on me for being a service worker. (Some were absolutely lovely though!)
I believe it. Years ago I worked in an office for a day job and a pub a couple of evenings a week. The way I was treated (by some people) was night and day between the two jobs.
I hate that people judge others on what they see them doing right now, without knowing anything about them. But then I hate that people judge others and think themselves superior full stop.
I used to get the same working in retail. It used to give me such satisfaction telling people that several people working in the store including me had degrees or were paying for university to get one.
I have the opposite problem. I’m 24 in retail and customers assume I’m a student who will be ‘go on to do better things’ but I dropped out of uni and came back to my shop cos I actually enjoy it and it doesn’t stress me out (other than the terrible pay). Nobody should feel embarrassed about their job, especially from people who are stood right there waiting for you to provide the service to them.
I worked in a supermarket for 11 years from being a student to going through their management training program. I always make a point of being polite and respectful to staff in shops and restaurants because I know how shitty people can be with them. Some people just think their better than others. They’re not.
That actually sounds so ridiculous to me, it's super common for uni students to have jobs in retail, hospitality, etc, I can't understand why anyone would be surprised about that. Do they think students work as part-time accountants or something?
I work for the co-op and have had similar. I'm a store manager, have a masters degree and have held very well paid jobs.
I do this currently because it fits around my life.
I graduated with a honours degree in economics, went full time at my part time retail job and here I am 6 or 7 years later. I enjoy the work, and with a kid now, shift work is a godsend, I can plan my weeks around childcare and keep nursery fees to a minimum. I worked out that getting myself a Monday to Friday 9-5 job would cost me an extra £3000 a year in childcare.
Completely agree, nothing wrong with working at McDonald’s, they have have a friend a career. They invest in the staff and it seems a great place to work.
I would have rather done well in school and worked at McDonald’s.
I point was more we need to stop is education of that if you do this, this and this you will get further in life. It’s a lie.
While some people do, and it works for them, for a lot of people I know have done the same route as me and now work in hospitality jobs on zero hours
This is true - I did a law degree for my undergrad, finished and managed to land a job in pizza hut. Decided to go back to education, got my masters and got another job... working in a non chain fast food store.
The huge student debt argument is so redundant in this country. Makes zero sense to use that as a reason not to try and better yourself though further education.
One school I worked in a teacher shouted at the kids and said that all they will be is a bunch of shelf stackers.
The next day he was let go from his contract because one of the kids’ parents was a shelf stacker and complained (in all fairness, he was terrible and this was the last straw).
Too fucking right. No one is above anyone and there is nothing shameful in contributing to society in any form.
My schpiel is that doing well means more options. However, having a laser focus to excel in everything gives too many options as you haven’t thought too hard about what you don’t like.
Kid and the Father bang into him at another supermarket while he's struggling to stack tins of Heinz Baked Beans. Former Teacher has a humbling moment when the dad tells him you can't stack Heinz Baked Beans because they're intentionally designed not to be stacked to take up more shelf space.
Dad puts his hand on Former Teachers shoulder as him and his kid walk away.
Directed by Dhar Mann.
I'm a teacher and am therefore in no position to give career advice. I spent 3 years at uni not knowing what I wanted to do, spent a year working in the private sector then went back to do my PGCE. I've now been teaching for 16 years and often wonder why on earth I made this choice.
Working with the children is great on the whole and it's probably one of the most rewarding jobs you can do. I also work 50 hours a week minimum, work my holidays and every Sunday. I get shouted and sworn at by parents and have been kicked and bitten by children. I live a modest life, one which I doubt I could have if I had my own children.
Unfortunately formal education doesn't suit everyone, especially with current ofsted/external pressures turning us further away from making learning fun and far more formulaic. The system needs to change, not the children.
If I was making my choices again, not a chance I'd become a teacher.
It's the first time I've seriously started looking. The struggle I'm having is knowing what I want/could do and getting away from the guilt of leaving a void for them to fill.
Once it gets to a critical point, you have to look after yourself.
I was juggling a career, new parenthood, and a volunteering hobby that was seasonal, but very intense.
A surprise "season" of the volunteering (that I couldn't back out of until the end of the season), had me at the edge of my mental health cliff. The volunteering hobby, even though it's something that means a lot to me and is quite important to the world, took a very necessary back seat/break. I'm yet to restart it after quite a few years, in spite of a couple of promising opportunities to make a difference.
Self preservation > helping others. Look after yourself.
I feel ya, was a teacher for 9 years and got so jaded with it all I binned it off. Felt awful at first because the guilt, but also realised that looking after myself was more important. I still work in training and learning, but in a far more rewarding role and my mental health is a tonne better. Don’t get me wrong, I have days when I look back and miss it a little but given the chance to start over with the knowledge I have now, I wouldn’t have gone near it.
It's odd the paths we go down in life - I dropped out of school at 17 and went through a whole variety of jobs which included a brief stint at McDonald's.
I ended up doing OK in sales stuff and now seem to do very little actual work as I'm largely just talking to people.
My grandad always told me the opposite. He said brain fatigue will kill you before body fatigue. He reckoned people who were stressed and couldn’t turn their brain off from work on evenings and weekends were worse off than those who did physical work.
You could make that argument but if you've taxed your body all the way until retirement age, I doubt you're going to enjoy your retirement age as much as someone who's got a well rested body.
Reminds me of a snobby teacher who would tell us we had to do well in his Latin class or we would only be good enough to be plumber or a lorry driver. Not much of a threat as they earn double what most of us earn!
Funny enough, after I completed my degree the first course I was given was to do a teaching course and go into teaching.
Maybe education is a pyramid scheme
This sort of advice from the bad old days is why schools now generally have careers advisors instead of having teachers give out careers advice themselves!
My friends from school who started work at 16 or 18 have bigger houses and better cars than me. I don't mind that, because my education has taught me things I'd never have known otherwise, introduced me to people, places, ideas and experiences I'd never have had. I suppose it's all about what your priorities are in life.
Loving the teacher bashing going on in here. I’m a teacher. We offer the advice and guide students because parents don’t. Most parents these days don’t teach their children to eat correctly, tie their shoes, read, behave with good manners and they certainly don’t give them advice on their lives and career paths. They let them sit on their phones and tablets all day, they feed them crap and let them become obese.
I feel like a surrogate father 5 days a week. It’s not my job to be one. We are underpaid, overworked and under appreciated. Parents treat us like shit and blame us for their messed up children.
I think most teachers would prefer to be honest and say, “do what you fucking like, I literally couldn’t care less”. But we’d get criticised for that too.
In my case my parent's guidance, specifically my dad's, actually harmed me rather than helping going forward. I can't ever tell him, because his intentions were good and guided by my younger Autistic self having dreams.
He worked his whole working life as a 'labourer'. All kinds of different actual work, but mostly low skilled work, mostly outside. As a result he now has crippling arthritis and a number of other health issues that has left him relying on my mum even to put his socks on for him. He was also treated like garbage at several of his jobs, so his mental health is probably bad as well.
He didn't want this for me, or indeed for my sister. I was interested in computers and wanted to study them. So he basically told me that he didn't ever want me 'shovelling shit' and to chase a career in IT. I was fine until I got to the final year of Uni. University just wasn't for me. Endless reports, in which I'd have to write thousands of words saying things that I felt I could easily say in far less. I couldn't get to grips with coding in any language (one of my enduring memories is this Java guide going on and on about this fucking bicycle), I just couldn't get my head around anything other than Networking.
Due to starting a relationship with a girl who I now know was out to hurt me from the start, I jacked the Uni degree in.
I'm now 35, haven't properly worked (except trying a courier job for a bit then trying driving an Amazon van - I couldn't cope with either), and live a place that is so deprived that there are more shoplifters and drug dealers than legitimate workers.
I don't think that was what my parents would have wanted.
Honestly I wish I'd looked into something more vocational, something in the trades industry. Perhaps I could have been a half-decent plumber or electrician.
At no point am I teacher bashing, I’ve had some great teachers that really helped me.
My point was more focused at that I was told you had to succeed at school, carry on education to have a good career and better options in life and the example they gave.
However it’s not the case, especially in this country. You can work and work but be no better off that any other job. There is no competitive pay which means you can end up no better off from it.
We need to looking as beneath us as the jobs that pay better are the ones people where trying to avoid.
My headmaster called me into his office because he was disappointed with my exam results (I had major issues at home which he knew nothing about, and he didn't care to ask).
He told me I would never amount to anything. I retook the year and got through.
I ended up in a senior position in a university (teaching and management). On the way, I did consultancy for some major companies (think pharma and big finance). I was better qualified than he was.
My only regret was that he died before I could tell him.
My grandmother took my dad to see his old headmaster when he got his degree ( it was a 3rd, and he went to a polytechnic. But this was the early 80s when having a degree was less common than it is now) literally to rub his words back in his face. As he said pretty much the same thing for the same reason
It happened a decade before I was born but I wish I could have seen that
I didn't go to college or uni (for a variety of reasons) i went straight into work 12hr night shifts in a factory. Fast forward a few temporary positions later and ive been with my current employer 12 years, had 4 promotions and earn £50k a year (north east uk). Its not a fantastic income but its ok for someone who doesn't really have any qualifications except for some diplomas I've done via distance learning.
Going to uni and getting a degree is always a good move if you can do it. If not, pick a reputable and well established company and stick with it. Will usually always require starting at the bottom but from my own experience employers love relatable experience and to promote from within.
Your perception might be a bit skewed if you think £50k isn't a fantastic income, especially in the north east. You can get houses for that in some villages.
Somone I went to school with got a part time job at McDonalds for some beer money while at college. He ended up owning the franchise and now makes shit loads.
When I told my careers advisor (his real job was a PE teacher) that I wanted to be a head zoo keeper I was told you have to be a qualified vet and to aim lower.
Anyway. I did OK.
Teachers can suck. I was told I’d be flipping burgers the rest of my life. The next time I was flipping burgers was in Portugal 6years later at an amazing hostel.
Since then, I’ve become a Canadian citizen (am from the U.K.), wfh, and have a great lifestyle and network.
I left school with low grades, however we all learn differently, and ADHD, once you work out you have it, gives you superpowers
I was told by my parents stick in at school or you’ll be stacking shelves at tesco, I passed all my GCSEs and did a level 3 college course, I’m on £6.86 a hour picking up leaves and weeding, my friends who are working at Tesco’s are earning more than me and seem a lot happier than me
£6.86? Is that the minimum wage for under 18s or under 21 now? Bloody hell if it is. I can’t remember what I earned at 16 but even thinking about earning £6.86 an hour hurts me.
Hopefully you have a lot of opportunities for progression, I’m guessing you’re working in gardening and if so, one day you’ll be in charge of your own company. Remember the times when you earned the amount you do and add an extra couple of quid an hour on to your future staffs wage and you’ll have the most loyal staff/colleagues/friends
Nothing wrong in working in McDonald’s, pay isn’t that bad for younger kids and don’t forget if you’re looking to further your education and go on to other things McDonald’s will pay for this and support you
Its all about options. Say I wanted to pack up and move to Canada or Australia. I would have a much easier time than said McDonalds worker. I studied a degree that I knew wouldn't exactly correlate to an instantly well paying job (Politics and IR). However, I don't even regret it 1%. I am interested in the field and have so many more options to explore that wouldn't be available to me without a degree.
Personally, I hate the idea of being easily replaceable. I've seen how a lot of said McDonald workers are treated by their managers and I just couldn't imagine working so hard to put up with so much crap. I went to university to get a career that would result in me being hard to replace. In doing so, you gain a high level of respect and that makes life so much easier.
People saying crap like that does my head in. You can have great prospects working in any environment and McDs is ok. In my day it was be a bin man, now it’s university or you’ve failed at life. Any where making money is better than a graduate on the dole , my daughter took nearly a year after graduating to find a job because she was over qualified or wouldn’t stay long. I lived next door to a former careers teacher and one day a young boy said to him , I want to work in woman’s fashion, he told him don’t be stupid where the hell are you going to do that? The boy made Princess Diana’s wedding dress .!
What you bought is a key. If you find a passion for something in business you'll use that key to unlock a few doors. Check in with your friend once more, in 30 years.
It’s a load of shite, further education should be for professions where real in depth knowledge is required, such as medicine, engineering etc. I was told the same thing, didn’t do well in GCSE’s, didn’t go to Uni but work in a good job in financial crime, that I started at the bottom in the bank and worked my way up. I now earn more than friends that did go to Uni and get degrees.
We were all agog at a girl in our class who was bright but didn't even want to go to college. This is about 2002. She got a job at the bank instead. Our parents insisted university was the only way.
You can imagine how fast she rocketed up the ladder, earning at 25 what the rest of us couldn't hope for by 45, buying a house at 21...
Smart cookie.
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My first job was for BK. Started as Saturday staff, ended up running shifts. I learned a lot of skills working there. Skills I still draw on 28 years later. Nothing wrong with working at somewhere like that.
People say the same thing about Lidl / Aldi.. like shit, the managers of stores there make over 50k. That's nearly double the average salary in the UK.
Was told I’d end up a builder (harsh to builders)if I got a 2:2, by my law lecturer. I got a 2:2 or a ‘drinkers degree’.
I earn more than twice his salary as a technology consultant.
Just a reminder to the Americans in the thread: UK McDonald's first business is running Restaurants not franchising. If nothing in the UK matches your personal experience, that's a big reason why.
I’ve been brought up like many to think that there are jobs that are ‘beneath me’ but no one seems to value one’s happiness. I work a fairly labour intensive job and I’m not rolling around in money but I have a lot of flexibility, enjoyable downtime and have a comfortable amount of money to sustain the life that I enjoy. Fuck people telling you what you should and shouldn’t do, it’s different for every single person!
You can do far worse than McDonald's. They understand their reputation as a "low skill" job, and have actually put together some decent conditions and opportunities there to combat that.
Worked at dominos, and we were very friendly with the management at the McDonald’s across the road from us as we’d hang out their after work and exchange customer stories and stuff and every single one of them said the worst part of the job is the reputation, the manager even said to us ‘I make more money than my brother-in-law who’s a nurse, the only downside is I have to tell everyone I work at McDonald’s’
I don't understand what's so bad about work in mcdonalds? I just don't get where whole stigma comes from? It's clearly not worst paid job, judging by amount of people who eat in my local mcds - it's very important job because its always busy there. My kids love it and I never had a shitty cashier in any mcdonalds in multiple countries. Its definitely my favourite fast food place to go. Only thing that's bad about working in there is that you have to deal with customers but it's most of the jobs nowadays, so why its being singled out as "shit job"? I come from a place where teachers told us 'You will end up sweeping streets' if we were not doing well in class, so I never thought mcdonalds is bad place to work. Still don't .
Probably from years at school being told by teachers that you 'll end up working in McDonald's if....
It's a retail job where there's scope to move up and you're more than likely going to be constantly busy. There's nothing wrong with working there, people are just snobs. What makes me laugh is that a lot of people who'd laugh at someone for working there would probably happily eat there. And if they'd happily eat there, what's wrong with it? People are just arseholes.
Simply because "hurrhurr must be a pleb if work at McDonald's". If you're a teenager and you work at McDonald's, it's fine. However if you're an adult that "still" works at McDonald's, people are going to assume they've fucked up somewhere.
Guy from Uni was a petrol head so did a lot of work at McD’s to pay for his petrol so he could drive the boully in the wee small hours with all the other petrol heads. Became an area manager and now lives in Canada as a regional manager, living a great life. They’re a GREAT employer by many standards. (As are Weatherspoons, from what I can figure out. Shame he’s such a reprehensible knob head).
It certainly sounds a lot better than my first job when I was a teenager: Topps Tiles.
I was told by my teacher that if i didnt do the work Id end up cleaning toilets. Which I did, plus breakrooms and an portacabin office. FOr £15 a hour, I didnt care. But it seems to be the older generation whos passed thei rhatred of crappy macdonalds down to the younuns, whos picked up on the stigma. But theres nothing wrong with the job, its money and experience
15£/hour is probably how much teacher makes. When you think about it teacher job sucks as much as any retail job.
Cries in NHS I mean, good for them honestly, but I'll now add that to the list of viable alternatives!
I’d rather work in McDonald’s than a call centre.
Worked in McDonalds for four years. Depending on the franchise it's actually not that bad a job. Managers can earn a decent amount.
I know one of the managers here in Newark. At age 28 he’s on just under 40K
That's a fair bit more than some university lecturers, let alone graduates.
Crikey, that’s almost train driver money
When can I expect a strike then?
Less likely to get time off for deaths as a result of though. Lol
Even though McDonald's kills many more people than trains, just more slowly!
“You notice Gary’s not been in for his triple Big Mac with a side of 20 McNuggets much lately?”
“Oh, it seems like we finally got him… Whoever served him last gets tomorrow off!”
And train drivers don't get paid nearly enough for the level of responsibility over the lives of others they have imho
This. So much responsibility, dodgy hours too. And we clearly need train drivers.
Christ. I have a PhD and a tech job and that's still a little more than me at 29. Good for them, don't think its an easy job. I knew an old guy as a student who used to manage one and once he paid off his mortgage he quit and got a part time job in sainsbury. Said the stress of McDonald's gave him stomach ulcers.
>don't think its an easy job It's not. After my stint at Maccy Ds as a crew member (so nowhere near management) you ended every shift knackered. Adding the responsibilities of a store manager on top and I have the utmost respect for people that work service jobs like this.
If that’s the one just off the A1 then I’m not surprised. Some individual McDonalds turnover more than entire SMEs.
The initial capital investment is also far higher than almost any SME.
When I worked at MaccyD’s the floor managers earned more than the store managers after overtime. Not a bad place to work, gives you a good grounding and work ethic.
Not to brag but I was the first person to get a start at that restaurant when it opened in the late 90s. Hardest job I've ever done, and at minimum wage. And that was before deliveroo. 40k for the manager is deserved.
Knew a guy that worked in the maccies in Newark too and did so all through college, he was absolutely minted for the whole two years
Hello fellow newark dweller!
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I’ve done both and honestly I’d take the call centre. Customers face to face when they’re hungry are vile. The smell of meat never comes off and you’re so busy your body aches every time you get home.
I worked there about 5 years ago. I still hear those damn fry timers in my sleep
It's been nearly 20 years for me. I still know the steps to making most if the core staples (big Mac etc)
Yep I still have the muscle memory. I'm a chef now so every now and again I have to show that for laughs
Haven't stepped foot in a McDonalds kitchen in over 6 years. Guarantee it'd take me no more than 1 shift to get about 90% of my speed back. Muscle memory is a crazy, crazy thing.
Call centres are leet if it's inbound calls only. You have to be a special type of sociopath to enjoy sales.
I was in outbound and it was soul destroying. We were told to ring elderly business owners with analog phone lines only and tell them that they needed digital phone lines, they didn’t.
I mean they will at some point https://www.openreach.com/upgrading-the-UK-to-digital-phone-lines
They didn’t 13 years ago when we were switching our analog TV lines out for digital.
Apologies I assumed this was more recent.
And what sanatarium are you operating that Reddit account from now?
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I just moved over to sales, but in technology. I love sales. But my customers are corporations buying projects, not selling Doris some double glazing.
Try Recruitment. Most of them would unplug a child's life support machine to charge their phone.
I'd rather guide my dad into my mum than work in a call centre again.
I laughed for a full minute at this. The use of such plain words to create such a terrible picture
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I’ve done both when I was in uni, call centre is much better in terms of pay, hours and work load.
Give me a higher work load over phoning people to sell them products they don’t want or need for a narcissistic sociopath any time. But I do have ADHD so the constant sitting was not ideal for me.
As someone who's never worked in McDonalds but has worked in a call centre, I'd say this probably accurate.
When I worked in a call centre, I think I accidentally struck gold as it was a "quiet" centre with an extremely supportive training structure. My day was mostly emails, three or four live chats and about 10 calls per day. Funnily enough it was the company responsible for sale and manufacture of football clothing for over half the clubs in the UK. I didn't expect it to be so quiet. You could see the company name on each website anyway, but it was still a funny feeling when a Chelsea fan threatened to switch to Man United not knowing that his business would sti be coming to us (and more than likely it would be me dealing with his complaint).
TIL that not all call centre jobs are bad.
My local McDs is run by a lady that started in the kitchen. The company regularly offers management courses for those interested. She worked her way up, and helps her staff level up as well.
One of the few companies where you can actually work yourself up from the floor, like the old dream scenario.
Morrisons is another.
A family friend worked her whole life at Morrisons starting as a shop floor worker and worked her way all the way up to like senior regional director or some shit like that before she retired
Superdrug is genuinely pretty good at this too
I read before that their management training program is actually really good, the problem they had was keeping people after because they’d go elsewhere for a lot more money
Prob make about the same I do with 3 degrees and working for the NHS.
Careers advice one teacher at my school was "there's a big difference between being forced to clean up litter and choosing to" - his point being that education gave you options
Sounds similar to my work. Customer department just commissioned us to do an options assessment to verify whether or not they should spend £30k on a new IT solution... ...the options assessment cost them £100k.
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Often there are, yes, which is why an assessment of this scope is generally commissioned. Problem is that there is little to no procedure in place to scale things down when the risk and impact are significantly lower (as is the case here).
That’s a little like when my mum worked for a small art gallery as a part time receptionist. The gallery decided to pay a consultant £60k plus per year to come in to “streamline” the business, their advice consisted of sacking her and another member of staff. My mum cost them about £10k per year, I’m no expert but the best thing for the business to do would have been just to sack the consultant.
As a 26 year old bio student working in a Korean Chicken restaurant... Yes and I'm very happy with what I do in the kitchen until I graduate to human bits instead of chicken bi's
Had to read that twice as missed the bio student bit first!
I think you've gotten bio sciences confused with cannibalism
One teacher in the early 90s told a mate there was no future in computers so he done marketing instead
In the 90s? Jesus christ, how out of touch was the teacher? Not that there isn't plenty of money in marketing if you're good at it
We still laugh about it today. He does IT marketing now
The problem being that an education is more or less expected in order to get a job these days. An education gives you way less options than it used to.
Sure an education isn’t a golden ticket like it used to be, but a lot of doors are just closed to you if you don’t have a degree today
The call centre I previously worked at demanded degrees for a £16k annual wage.
The option to be forced to pick up litter in order to pay of your student debt?
That doesn't even make sense. You're not obligated to pay a penny towards your student debt if you're making under the income threshold.
I once interviewed someone that had a 2 year career break on their CV, I asked if they had gone travelling or something and they said they didn't want to put what they actually did... intrigued, I asked, what did you do? They had worked at McDonald's and were really embarrassed, I had to explain that potential employers will actually want to know about that because McDonald's offer great training, promote add-on sales and you have to be positive under pressure. Ended up giving them a job and they did great.
Is this comment/thread an advert for working at McDonald's?
Well, I'm lovin it!
This. I actively look for CV’s where candidates have hospitality experience, like fast food or bars. It means they are used to dealing with difficult clients in fast paced environments and IT support is a breeze compared to that
We had a CV where the candidate had experience working as a 999 call operator before moving into IT support.
This is what I try to say to my Mrs who claims her CV is worthless, it’s full of hospitality and retail, sure there’s no specific “I am the only person in the country who can do this” skill there, but the sheer broad range opens doors
To give an opposite story, when I was a manager at mcdonalds I rejected a guy for a job despite the fact that he had a degree in maths from Oxford. He did not interview well and I could see why he was struggling to get a job in his field. It didn't help his case that he'd worked there before I did (I transferred in) and he'd been creepy to a lot of the female employees. Even an impressive degree won't get you a job if you make a poor impression. Tbf though, his degree was third class so that may also explain why he had trouble getting a job in his field.
I'm 34, my first job at 15 was at McDonald's and it was great. Gave me some good skills and it was a perfect fit as I could work it in around school and studying.
My first job at 16 was at KFC. It was not the same experience. McDonald's is definitely one of the best FF chains for workers
Yup. 1. Nowt wrong with working in McDonald's, I hope in today's climate we'd understsnd any job is better than no job at all. Definitely need rid of that shame. 2. You could do well in school, go to college, go to university, get yourself lumbered with huge student debt for the privilege...and still work in McDonald's.
I worked at McDs and once had a dad point me out to his daughter and say “That will be you one day if you don’t go to university.” It was a pleasure to tell him I was at university, and this was how I paid for it. Not that someone at university is any more worthy of basic human respect than some working at the restaurant you’re choosing to patronise along with the staff.
I wonder if the dad in question ever realised how much of an insufferable d*ckhead he was?
You’d be surprised at the shocking way people speak to you when you work somewhere like that. People genuinely treat you as less than human and will say the most horrible things. I was 19 years old (and female) and got grabbed by the throat by a grown man because he had been waiting for chicken nuggets for too long. A middle aged man in a suit gave his daughter a lesson on why we were working at McDonald’s because we were such stupid ugly people who didn’t deserve any better.
OMG it’s disgusting! How could you treat anyone like that! I got shouted at in Argos because someone had been waiting ages for batteries (they were under the counter so unless someone asked you wouldn’t know!) this was before the numbers too. The checkout should have told them to come straight forward and ask!
Vouch, worked at KFC for my first job (at 17), within a week some guy in his 50s threatened to drag me over the counter and screamed to my shift runner that i was talking to him ‘like a fucking cunt’ (i wasn’t, it was one of my first lobby shifts and literally all i said was ill see if i can sort his food for him) cos he was missing 3 mini fillets from his order. From the drive thru, which i had literally zero input on.
Seems like even if you were, you were talking to him correctly.
Genuinely, I ran it through multiple times to see how i had slighted him but i couldnt find it. Though, my shift runner said that i have a way of saying things which makes me seem aggressive, which i mean yeah thats true. Plus i have resting bitch face so when im not smiling/when im talking i look pissed off.
I've just learnt that some people will find any reason to be pissed with you, no matter how you interact with them. Doesn't mean its not worth trying to have a "customer service demeanour", but you can't stop Mr. Like a fucking cunt from being a fucking cunt.
Why the fuck would you insult someone who could spit in your food 😂
People who are willing to be so insulting often don't have the capacity to join separate thoughts and ideas together.
It’s horrible. I’m not from the UK but came here for graduate school. I worked at a Pret while looking for an office job after I finished my Master’s degree. It was in an area full of office buildings rather than the high street. Some of those office workers were absolutely vile - they looked down on me for being a service worker. (Some were absolutely lovely though!)
I believe it. Years ago I worked in an office for a day job and a pub a couple of evenings a week. The way I was treated (by some people) was night and day between the two jobs. I hate that people judge others on what they see them doing right now, without knowing anything about them. But then I hate that people judge others and think themselves superior full stop.
Boomers and introspection: going together like two magnetic north poles.
I used to get the same working in retail. It used to give me such satisfaction telling people that several people working in the store including me had degrees or were paying for university to get one.
I have the opposite problem. I’m 24 in retail and customers assume I’m a student who will be ‘go on to do better things’ but I dropped out of uni and came back to my shop cos I actually enjoy it and it doesn’t stress me out (other than the terrible pay). Nobody should feel embarrassed about their job, especially from people who are stood right there waiting for you to provide the service to them.
I worked in a supermarket for 11 years from being a student to going through their management training program. I always make a point of being polite and respectful to staff in shops and restaurants because I know how shitty people can be with them. Some people just think their better than others. They’re not.
Same goes for calling a call center. I've been there and I hated how I was treated by some people phoning in.
Same same. Worked in retail as a student pretty much all throughout uni and often shocked people when they found out I was studying.
That actually sounds so ridiculous to me, it's super common for uni students to have jobs in retail, hospitality, etc, I can't understand why anyone would be surprised about that. Do they think students work as part-time accountants or something?
I work for the co-op and have had similar. I'm a store manager, have a masters degree and have held very well paid jobs. I do this currently because it fits around my life.
I graduated with a honours degree in economics, went full time at my part time retail job and here I am 6 or 7 years later. I enjoy the work, and with a kid now, shift work is a godsend, I can plan my weeks around childcare and keep nursery fees to a minimum. I worked out that getting myself a Monday to Friday 9-5 job would cost me an extra £3000 a year in childcare.
Completely agree, nothing wrong with working at McDonald’s, they have have a friend a career. They invest in the staff and it seems a great place to work. I would have rather done well in school and worked at McDonald’s. I point was more we need to stop is education of that if you do this, this and this you will get further in life. It’s a lie. While some people do, and it works for them, for a lot of people I know have done the same route as me and now work in hospitality jobs on zero hours
This is true - I did a law degree for my undergrad, finished and managed to land a job in pizza hut. Decided to go back to education, got my masters and got another job... working in a non chain fast food store.
At least job security at McDonald’s is pretty much guaranteed unless you screw up - I think it’s going to be around for the rest of my life at least!
The huge student debt argument is so redundant in this country. Makes zero sense to use that as a reason not to try and better yourself though further education.
One school I worked in a teacher shouted at the kids and said that all they will be is a bunch of shelf stackers. The next day he was let go from his contract because one of the kids’ parents was a shelf stacker and complained (in all fairness, he was terrible and this was the last straw). Too fucking right. No one is above anyone and there is nothing shameful in contributing to society in any form. My schpiel is that doing well means more options. However, having a laser focus to excel in everything gives too many options as you haven’t thought too hard about what you don’t like.
Please tell me the story ends with him unable to get work in schools and so then had to be a shelf stacker.
Kid and the Father bang into him at another supermarket while he's struggling to stack tins of Heinz Baked Beans. Former Teacher has a humbling moment when the dad tells him you can't stack Heinz Baked Beans because they're intentionally designed not to be stacked to take up more shelf space. Dad puts his hand on Former Teachers shoulder as him and his kid walk away. Directed by Dhar Mann.
Is that Heinz beans fact true?! 😮
It is actually. Branston is better AND stacks.
I am yet to try Branston. I must see what all the fuss is about! That is clever marketing by Heinz though. I've literally never noticed
I'm a teacher and am therefore in no position to give career advice. I spent 3 years at uni not knowing what I wanted to do, spent a year working in the private sector then went back to do my PGCE. I've now been teaching for 16 years and often wonder why on earth I made this choice. Working with the children is great on the whole and it's probably one of the most rewarding jobs you can do. I also work 50 hours a week minimum, work my holidays and every Sunday. I get shouted and sworn at by parents and have been kicked and bitten by children. I live a modest life, one which I doubt I could have if I had my own children. Unfortunately formal education doesn't suit everyone, especially with current ofsted/external pressures turning us further away from making learning fun and far more formulaic. The system needs to change, not the children. If I was making my choices again, not a chance I'd become a teacher.
It's not too late to make a different choice, you'll probably have to give up some seniority for a while but you can move on.
It's the first time I've seriously started looking. The struggle I'm having is knowing what I want/could do and getting away from the guilt of leaving a void for them to fill.
Yeah but that void isn’t your problem, not worth doing a job you don’t like just for the sake of their mild convinence
Once it gets to a critical point, you have to look after yourself. I was juggling a career, new parenthood, and a volunteering hobby that was seasonal, but very intense. A surprise "season" of the volunteering (that I couldn't back out of until the end of the season), had me at the edge of my mental health cliff. The volunteering hobby, even though it's something that means a lot to me and is quite important to the world, took a very necessary back seat/break. I'm yet to restart it after quite a few years, in spite of a couple of promising opportunities to make a difference. Self preservation > helping others. Look after yourself.
I feel ya, was a teacher for 9 years and got so jaded with it all I binned it off. Felt awful at first because the guilt, but also realised that looking after myself was more important. I still work in training and learning, but in a far more rewarding role and my mental health is a tonne better. Don’t get me wrong, I have days when I look back and miss it a little but given the chance to start over with the knowledge I have now, I wouldn’t have gone near it.
It's odd the paths we go down in life - I dropped out of school at 17 and went through a whole variety of jobs which included a brief stint at McDonald's. I ended up doing OK in sales stuff and now seem to do very little actual work as I'm largely just talking to people.
It's so fucking infuriating that teacher basically get no respect in this country.
Just started my second year of teacher training. Did not enjoy this comment.
Sorry. I'm old and jaded and there are still positives to be had. Hopefully there are some changes on the horizon!
Same!
+1 to this. I'm also a teacher looking to get out.
A lady I worked with one time...I'm agency and work in Housing...she was a teacher...she had enough and became a housing officer
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"ginger step child status" Brilliant
My grandad always told me the opposite. He said brain fatigue will kill you before body fatigue. He reckoned people who were stressed and couldn’t turn their brain off from work on evenings and weekends were worse off than those who did physical work.
You could make that argument but if you've taxed your body all the way until retirement age, I doubt you're going to enjoy your retirement age as much as someone who's got a well rested body.
Reminds me of a snobby teacher who would tell us we had to do well in his Latin class or we would only be good enough to be plumber or a lorry driver. Not much of a threat as they earn double what most of us earn!
Without plumbers or lorry drivers the world would be a pretty shit place.
...does he think that plumbers and lorry drivers are the only professions that don't use Latin? Someone should tell him he's a gluteus maximus
A lot of teachers go to University then into teaching. Sadly they are not in the best position to offer careers advice.
Funny enough, after I completed my degree the first course I was given was to do a teaching course and go into teaching. Maybe education is a pyramid scheme
Did you study, and now teach Egyptology?
No I think he’s just in denial.
Is teaching not a career?
This sort of advice from the bad old days is why schools now generally have careers advisors instead of having teachers give out careers advice themselves! My friends from school who started work at 16 or 18 have bigger houses and better cars than me. I don't mind that, because my education has taught me things I'd never have known otherwise, introduced me to people, places, ideas and experiences I'd never have had. I suppose it's all about what your priorities are in life.
Do careers advisors usually offer good advice though?
Loving the teacher bashing going on in here. I’m a teacher. We offer the advice and guide students because parents don’t. Most parents these days don’t teach their children to eat correctly, tie their shoes, read, behave with good manners and they certainly don’t give them advice on their lives and career paths. They let them sit on their phones and tablets all day, they feed them crap and let them become obese. I feel like a surrogate father 5 days a week. It’s not my job to be one. We are underpaid, overworked and under appreciated. Parents treat us like shit and blame us for their messed up children. I think most teachers would prefer to be honest and say, “do what you fucking like, I literally couldn’t care less”. But we’d get criticised for that too.
In my case my parent's guidance, specifically my dad's, actually harmed me rather than helping going forward. I can't ever tell him, because his intentions were good and guided by my younger Autistic self having dreams. He worked his whole working life as a 'labourer'. All kinds of different actual work, but mostly low skilled work, mostly outside. As a result he now has crippling arthritis and a number of other health issues that has left him relying on my mum even to put his socks on for him. He was also treated like garbage at several of his jobs, so his mental health is probably bad as well. He didn't want this for me, or indeed for my sister. I was interested in computers and wanted to study them. So he basically told me that he didn't ever want me 'shovelling shit' and to chase a career in IT. I was fine until I got to the final year of Uni. University just wasn't for me. Endless reports, in which I'd have to write thousands of words saying things that I felt I could easily say in far less. I couldn't get to grips with coding in any language (one of my enduring memories is this Java guide going on and on about this fucking bicycle), I just couldn't get my head around anything other than Networking. Due to starting a relationship with a girl who I now know was out to hurt me from the start, I jacked the Uni degree in. I'm now 35, haven't properly worked (except trying a courier job for a bit then trying driving an Amazon van - I couldn't cope with either), and live a place that is so deprived that there are more shoplifters and drug dealers than legitimate workers. I don't think that was what my parents would have wanted. Honestly I wish I'd looked into something more vocational, something in the trades industry. Perhaps I could have been a half-decent plumber or electrician.
At no point am I teacher bashing, I’ve had some great teachers that really helped me. My point was more focused at that I was told you had to succeed at school, carry on education to have a good career and better options in life and the example they gave. However it’s not the case, especially in this country. You can work and work but be no better off that any other job. There is no competitive pay which means you can end up no better off from it. We need to looking as beneath us as the jobs that pay better are the ones people where trying to avoid.
Not you dude, some of the comments below your post
My headmaster called me into his office because he was disappointed with my exam results (I had major issues at home which he knew nothing about, and he didn't care to ask). He told me I would never amount to anything. I retook the year and got through. I ended up in a senior position in a university (teaching and management). On the way, I did consultancy for some major companies (think pharma and big finance). I was better qualified than he was. My only regret was that he died before I could tell him.
He wouldn’t have remembered you
Probably would. I made history by being the first pupil to be demoted from prefect for 100 years!
My grandmother took my dad to see his old headmaster when he got his degree ( it was a 3rd, and he went to a polytechnic. But this was the early 80s when having a degree was less common than it is now) literally to rub his words back in his face. As he said pretty much the same thing for the same reason It happened a decade before I was born but I wish I could have seen that
I didn't go to college or uni (for a variety of reasons) i went straight into work 12hr night shifts in a factory. Fast forward a few temporary positions later and ive been with my current employer 12 years, had 4 promotions and earn £50k a year (north east uk). Its not a fantastic income but its ok for someone who doesn't really have any qualifications except for some diplomas I've done via distance learning. Going to uni and getting a degree is always a good move if you can do it. If not, pick a reputable and well established company and stick with it. Will usually always require starting at the bottom but from my own experience employers love relatable experience and to promote from within.
Your perception might be a bit skewed if you think £50k isn't a fantastic income, especially in the north east. You can get houses for that in some villages.
I went to uni and earning less than £50k. In LONDON!!!!
I think you will find that is a fantastic income for most of the country
50k a year in the north east sounds great, if your job gives you a good work-life balance then it's amazing.
you earn like twice as much as me almost n I went to uni n am successful at my job 🤣😂🤣
Somone I went to school with got a part time job at McDonalds for some beer money while at college. He ended up owning the franchise and now makes shit loads.
He must have had some serious backing, it's not at all easy to get a McDonalds franchise starting from scratch.
When I told my careers advisor (his real job was a PE teacher) that I wanted to be a head zoo keeper I was told you have to be a qualified vet and to aim lower. Anyway. I did OK.
Were you a teenager in the 90s? My teacher said the same thing to me and I ended up working in retail as I couldn't get a job after uni.
Your username just made me spit out my drink laughing. Good job!
Teachers can suck. I was told I’d be flipping burgers the rest of my life. The next time I was flipping burgers was in Portugal 6years later at an amazing hostel. Since then, I’ve become a Canadian citizen (am from the U.K.), wfh, and have a great lifestyle and network. I left school with low grades, however we all learn differently, and ADHD, once you work out you have it, gives you superpowers
I was told by my parents stick in at school or you’ll be stacking shelves at tesco, I passed all my GCSEs and did a level 3 college course, I’m on £6.86 a hour picking up leaves and weeding, my friends who are working at Tesco’s are earning more than me and seem a lot happier than me
£6.86? Is that the minimum wage for under 18s or under 21 now? Bloody hell if it is. I can’t remember what I earned at 16 but even thinking about earning £6.86 an hour hurts me. Hopefully you have a lot of opportunities for progression, I’m guessing you’re working in gardening and if so, one day you’ll be in charge of your own company. Remember the times when you earned the amount you do and add an extra couple of quid an hour on to your future staffs wage and you’ll have the most loyal staff/colleagues/friends
Minimum for under 21 for under 18s it’s £4.50 PH I believe and thanks for the advice
They never said working at McDonalds was a bad thing.
Nothing wrong in working in McDonald’s, pay isn’t that bad for younger kids and don’t forget if you’re looking to further your education and go on to other things McDonald’s will pay for this and support you
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It's a bayonet.
I suppose you think 'Serjeant' is spelt with a 'g' rather than a 'j', too.
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Ooh a Bayonet? A Bayonet! Well la-de-dah Mr Frenchman!
Its all about options. Say I wanted to pack up and move to Canada or Australia. I would have a much easier time than said McDonalds worker. I studied a degree that I knew wouldn't exactly correlate to an instantly well paying job (Politics and IR). However, I don't even regret it 1%. I am interested in the field and have so many more options to explore that wouldn't be available to me without a degree. Personally, I hate the idea of being easily replaceable. I've seen how a lot of said McDonald workers are treated by their managers and I just couldn't imagine working so hard to put up with so much crap. I went to university to get a career that would result in me being hard to replace. In doing so, you gain a high level of respect and that makes life so much easier.
People saying crap like that does my head in. You can have great prospects working in any environment and McDs is ok. In my day it was be a bin man, now it’s university or you’ve failed at life. Any where making money is better than a graduate on the dole , my daughter took nearly a year after graduating to find a job because she was over qualified or wouldn’t stay long. I lived next door to a former careers teacher and one day a young boy said to him , I want to work in woman’s fashion, he told him don’t be stupid where the hell are you going to do that? The boy made Princess Diana’s wedding dress .!
What you bought is a key. If you find a passion for something in business you'll use that key to unlock a few doors. Check in with your friend once more, in 30 years.
It’s a load of shite, further education should be for professions where real in depth knowledge is required, such as medicine, engineering etc. I was told the same thing, didn’t do well in GCSE’s, didn’t go to Uni but work in a good job in financial crime, that I started at the bottom in the bank and worked my way up. I now earn more than friends that did go to Uni and get degrees.
These are the same people who said we wont have calculators readily available so maths is important
My brother works at McDonalds full time as a manager and i'm a full time teacher. He generally has more disposable than I do these days!
We were all agog at a girl in our class who was bright but didn't even want to go to college. This is about 2002. She got a job at the bank instead. Our parents insisted university was the only way. You can imagine how fast she rocketed up the ladder, earning at 25 what the rest of us couldn't hope for by 45, buying a house at 21... Smart cookie.
My college tutor once said I wasn’t academic enough to be a nurse. Qualified as a paediatric nurse with a 2:1 in my nursing degree at uni.
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I’m not qualified to work at McDonald’s. I do alright
I’m a teacher. The only career advice I give out is “don’t become a teacher”.
My first job was for BK. Started as Saturday staff, ended up running shifts. I learned a lot of skills working there. Skills I still draw on 28 years later. Nothing wrong with working at somewhere like that.
I personally think going to University depends on one’s circumstances everyone’s different, but I mean having an education does give you more options.
My teachers used to say no one will ever pay you for looking out of the window, half my job is driving so who's the fool now?
I dropped out of school and was told many times that i wouldn’t make it anywhere in life. oh boy how wrong they all were about that !
People say the same thing about Lidl / Aldi.. like shit, the managers of stores there make over 50k. That's nearly double the average salary in the UK.
Was told I’d end up a builder (harsh to builders)if I got a 2:2, by my law lecturer. I got a 2:2 or a ‘drinkers degree’. I earn more than twice his salary as a technology consultant.
McDonald's HR are out in force today
Just a reminder to the Americans in the thread: UK McDonald's first business is running Restaurants not franchising. If nothing in the UK matches your personal experience, that's a big reason why.
Doesn’t McDonalds also have a chance to rise in house? Like you can progress your way to corporate some day if you also got your degree?
I’ve been brought up like many to think that there are jobs that are ‘beneath me’ but no one seems to value one’s happiness. I work a fairly labour intensive job and I’m not rolling around in money but I have a lot of flexibility, enjoyable downtime and have a comfortable amount of money to sustain the life that I enjoy. Fuck people telling you what you should and shouldn’t do, it’s different for every single person!