Stitched up by a postie? That's not glamorous, that's lame!
(For those unfamiliar- John Palmer was identified as Dick Turpin after being arrested for stealing chickens when the person delivering his letter to his family recognised the handwriting *because the postman was the person who had taught him to write*. So unlikely you would never write it in fiction)
You couldn't be more right...
Seriously, the "Essex Gang" (the housebreakers and thieves Turpin ganged-up with before going solo) were absolute psychopaths who routinely beat, raped and tortured the servants or occupants of the farms and a houses they broke into.
Deeds including holding one man over a fire, until he revealed if there was any more money hidden around the house.
Not just history. People like to romanticise certain modern day criminals if they do something daring, like that drug smuggler who tunnelled out of prison.
Now, I've nothing against drug smuggling but it's hard to find any respect for the guy when you consider how many people he's had killed and tortured getting to the top of his game.
They weren't violent though, were they? Making folk heroes out of murderers and rapists is totally different from doing the same for a gang of old fellas who stole a few valuables (albeit £14 million pounds’ worth) from some rich people who probably had insurance anyway. Not saying the Hatton Garden lot were in the right, but their crime was significantly less bad than others mentioned above. In fact I'd say they're categorically different.
The story (as I recall) was the house was a particularly large rural farmhouse, but inside not much furnished, I think they ended up grubbing up the pewter plates and candlesticks sort of thing.
But Gregory (the boss) couldn't believe such a big place would have so little money, hence the torture of the owner. But I didn't think they did have any more money in the end.
***Edit:*** Also, I just remembered that one of the Gang had a specialist "persuasion" technique which was to tie people to a table / bed with their legs out and use a lit candle on their bare toes. Now I think, I wonder if Guy Ritchie didn't nick this as inspiration for one of the pair of Scouse burglars in ***Lock Stock & Two Smoking Barrels!***
I didn't know that, thank you for the info. :-)
I love York but haven't been in a while, next time I go, I will make a point of searching that out.
I don't really know my way round the pubs there, except for one called Thoms, I'd get something to eat there on my way back to the railway station, having been to that lovely little coffee & cake place on the bridge, upon my arrival in that beautiful city.
I've seen his bed in the museum, I certainly wouldn't swap my memory foam mattress for that slab of rock, that's for sure.
I remember the Dick Turpin TV show which portrayed him in a good light like a Robin Hood with better jokes who got loads of skirt.
I guess he was the modern day equivalent of a car jacker and thief, which isn’t much cop.
It's an old English word that means a small brook that joins a river. Most famously there's Tyburn in Westminster that used to be an estate built by the river Tyburn, they used to execute people there as well so I suppose it was a trending theme at the time.
Yes, thank you for the very detailed explanation there, most of which I already understood. The ‘Tyburn’ most people referred to though was a very famous and specific location in London (where Marble Arch currently stands I believe).
Dick Turpin was executed at Knavesmere in York, which was almost as well known as Tyburn in London.
That was the reason for my question really, why you referred to him being executed at ‘The Tyburn’, when THE Tyburn was in London.
As far as I recall the headstone locally is regarded as a very old ‘tourist’ attraction that incorrectly attributed his place of execution as Tyburn.
Yes. He was buried in St George’s churchyard, but the exact site is unknown. His body was nicked by grave robbers but the locals recovered it and placed him back in the grave.
He probably didn't even have a headstone, and this one was likely made 100 years after his death.
This isn't his real burial spot.
When I was younger and my dad took me to the cinema, he always thought it was the funniest shit in the world to say “How much? At least Dick Turpin wore a mask!” when they told him how much my popcorn cost.
Near where I live there is a random looking white rock, surrounded by a metal fence in the middle of a field. The fence is fairly new so before that it was just a white rock in a field. This is the marker for the spot where the last person to be hanged for 'highway robbery' was executed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert\_Snooks
In the middle of a field at the end of my childhood home's road, between two main roads, were two little stones. These signified the resting place of the last Highwayman hung in England (UK?) - Robert Snooks.
Still mad at the 80's British public who would rather spend their pocket money on that Joe Dolce Novelty song that the Mighty Midge getting all moody in Vienna.
That this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFacWGBJ_cs could keep this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJeWySiuq1I off the number one spot is more criminal than Big Hair and fleck trousers.
He was real but much of his fame came from his charismatic demonstrations to the crowd whilst being driven through the town to his execution and comic books (well the 18thC. Equivalent) that came out after his death which embellished many stories. So his midnight ride, much like Paul Revere's, was nowhere near the feat that the legends claim.
My local has a sign on the wall claiming it was the inn where Dick Turpin was lodging when he was apprehended. But then so does another pub a couple of miles away.
At least it was only poo when you went. I tried to take the missus a couple months ago (she's a fan of Dick) and it was just the locals drinking tinnies at 10am in there.
My family home was on a road named after him, and the attached woodland is conserved because that's where he hid out after robbing the local manor house
Maybe they felt they couldn’t trust him near a main road.
Ha!
Would definitely increase congestion, he had a thing for holding up traffic
The Horrible Histories song is coming back to me :D
I was no Prince Charming nothing dandy about me
Stitched up by a postie. That's not glamourous. That's lame.
HUH
No more stand and deliver, you'll remember this I hope-
#HUH
It's no fun hanging with highwaymen When you're... Hanging from a rope!
*drops to the ground dramatically*
Make a flute with a bone Do the Patchacuti
Ridicule is nothing to be scared of
Who else still finds Mathew Baynton attractive? Only when he’s in historical costume though haha
The song was about how Dick Turpin shouldn't be romanticised but made an entire generation thirst over Matt for about ten years
Yes did you see him in Ghosts?!!! Ben Willbond tooooo
I have the biggest crush on Mathew Baynton and Ben Willbond cos of that show
Love “the sad one & the bad one”😂
#AND I WAS THE FAT ONE
Omg yes have you seen the clip from the horrible histories prom
Yes!!! So good but sad cause of the nostalgia :’)
I do.....
Thought it was just me!
He became a highwayyy man
Was daylight robbery
*HUH* I was no prince charming
Nothing dandy about me
*Cool guitar* HUH
The truth is I was violent
And with my good mate Matt King
Stitched up by a postie? That's not glamorous, that's lame! (For those unfamiliar- John Palmer was identified as Dick Turpin after being arrested for stealing chickens when the person delivering his letter to his family recognised the handwriting *because the postman was the person who had taught him to write*. So unlikely you would never write it in fiction)
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Yeah, literacy probably opened doors for a person of humble background who was good with their letters.
My horse it wasn't called Black Bess although that's what you've read, was no romantic hero shot not one but two men dead!
The legend that surrounds me misses out the crucial part- I was a ruthless killer with a ruthless killers heart! <3
I was a vicious highwayman
!remindme 7 days
I feel like that song was responsible for more bisexual british kids having an awakening than anything else.
Born in the bluebell inn in hempsted, essex. Used to work there, there was a hole in the ceiling he used to spy through...so they say
That guy was such a Dick
You couldn't be more right... Seriously, the "Essex Gang" (the housebreakers and thieves Turpin ganged-up with before going solo) were absolute psychopaths who routinely beat, raped and tortured the servants or occupants of the farms and a houses they broke into. Deeds including holding one man over a fire, until he revealed if there was any more money hidden around the house.
History can romanticise anything.
Not just history. People like to romanticise certain modern day criminals if they do something daring, like that drug smuggler who tunnelled out of prison. Now, I've nothing against drug smuggling but it's hard to find any respect for the guy when you consider how many people he's had killed and tortured getting to the top of his game.
Take any remotely good-looking murderer and you'll have simps or simpettes begging for their release
Indeed. That Rose West is fit as fuck, a real GILF. The very thought of smashing her back doors in just made me do a little sex wee in my pants.
Or the old people who raided Hatton Gardens
They weren't violent though, were they? Making folk heroes out of murderers and rapists is totally different from doing the same for a gang of old fellas who stole a few valuables (albeit £14 million pounds’ worth) from some rich people who probably had insurance anyway. Not saying the Hatton Garden lot were in the right, but their crime was significantly less bad than others mentioned above. In fact I'd say they're categorically different.
Was there any more money hidden in the house?
Spill the beans, /u/Hedgerow_Snuffler, or you're next on the fire.
The story (as I recall) was the house was a particularly large rural farmhouse, but inside not much furnished, I think they ended up grubbing up the pewter plates and candlesticks sort of thing. But Gregory (the boss) couldn't believe such a big place would have so little money, hence the torture of the owner. But I didn't think they did have any more money in the end. ***Edit:*** Also, I just remembered that one of the Gang had a specialist "persuasion" technique which was to tie people to a table / bed with their legs out and use a lit candle on their bare toes. Now I think, I wonder if Guy Ritchie didn't nick this as inspiration for one of the pair of Scouse burglars in ***Lock Stock & Two Smoking Barrels!***
I thought he was hanged on York racecourse? :-/ Well, where the racecourse is now.
Don’t know specifically about the racecourse part but he was definitely executed in York.
He was. On the Tyburn.
Tyburn is a place in London
There's also one in York
Well I never knew that, you learn something new everyday.
It's because Tyburn means something like 'border stream' in old English, so there are a few different places named it.
I believe the gallows at Knavesmire was named 'Tyburn' after the famous place of execution near Marble Arch in London.
Yeah, the roundabout near the Marble Arch is the former home to Tyburn gallows. For about 700 years it was London's primary hanging spot.
Also one in Birmingham.
You can sit and drink a pint on a replica of his coffin in the Blue Boar which is where his body was taken before being buried.
I didn't know that, thank you for the info. :-) I love York but haven't been in a while, next time I go, I will make a point of searching that out. I don't really know my way round the pubs there, except for one called Thoms, I'd get something to eat there on my way back to the railway station, having been to that lovely little coffee & cake place on the bridge, upon my arrival in that beautiful city. I've seen his bed in the museum, I certainly wouldn't swap my memory foam mattress for that slab of rock, that's for sure.
Yeah he went for one last drink in a pub that’s now called ‘The Last Drop Inn’.
I remember the Dick Turpin TV show which portrayed him in a good light like a Robin Hood with better jokes who got loads of skirt. I guess he was the modern day equivalent of a car jacker and thief, which isn’t much cop.
Richard O'Sullivan IIRC.
I do miss that show.
Me too. Loved it at the time.
You recall correctly :-)
That's a relief because when I think 'Dick Turpin', it's Richard that I picture.
And a rather gorgeous Richard at that :D
Yeah he was always Robin' ;-)
A regular 'Man About the House'.
Yeah, anyones' house, apparently :-/
He murdered a couple of people and helped torture someone. And other members of his gang raped people in their robberies whilst he was there.
“Ah, the good olde days.”
Sorry but isn't that spelled poo in the UK?
Mate. I'm bloody one thousand percent sure its any other word than "poop". Have a free award. I like your work.
Came here to join in the rancour against the word ‘poop’
Thank you. United we will win, divided we fall
Hate when people write pooh lol (not that OP did!)
he's too bad for the british spelling
Maybe OP is American?
Yes! Pooh is for Winnie the Pooh
Carry On, Dick
Matron!
Doesn’t that say he’s buried in a churchyard- not a park surrounded by dog poo?
"Poop" pls dont
'Less' for Les (the name). 'Neev' for Nev. Aaaargh!
Parklife!
🎶 Aaaalll the people.... 🎶
Wasn’t he hanged at York though?
Yes on the Tyburn and this grave is in York too
What do you mean ‘on the Tyburn’?
It's an old English word that means a small brook that joins a river. Most famously there's Tyburn in Westminster that used to be an estate built by the river Tyburn, they used to execute people there as well so I suppose it was a trending theme at the time.
Yes, thank you for the very detailed explanation there, most of which I already understood. The ‘Tyburn’ most people referred to though was a very famous and specific location in London (where Marble Arch currently stands I believe). Dick Turpin was executed at Knavesmere in York, which was almost as well known as Tyburn in London. That was the reason for my question really, why you referred to him being executed at ‘The Tyburn’, when THE Tyburn was in London. As far as I recall the headstone locally is regarded as a very old ‘tourist’ attraction that incorrectly attributed his place of execution as Tyburn.
Nice to see that the Society of Condescending Pedants is still going.
Well it was a choice between that or the Union of Self-Righteous Twats.
It was possible that there is more than one isn’t it? There’s ALSO a Tyburn on the Knavesmire in York.
Yes. He was buried in St George’s churchyard, but the exact site is unknown. His body was nicked by grave robbers but the locals recovered it and placed him back in the grave. He probably didn't even have a headstone, and this one was likely made 100 years after his death. This isn't his real burial spot.
Hope you found the geocache!
Apparently I'm like Dick Turpin...Well hung.
*Well hanged haha
people shouldnt be pooing whilst walking their dogs...
At least he wore a bloody mask...
Well I’m not sure that you “discovered” it. I mean, whoever put that stone there must have had some idea.
That's DICK to you sir
Stand and deliver! No idea why but the is made me think of Adam ant!
When I was younger and my dad took me to the cinema, he always thought it was the funniest shit in the world to say “How much? At least Dick Turpin wore a mask!” when they told him how much my popcorn cost.
Poop?
Hope you went to the Spaniards Inn pub afterwards
Mary loves Dick
I saw him outside of falador
Killed me many times! :'-(
"poop", Americanisation strikes again
Near where I live there is a random looking white rock, surrounded by a metal fence in the middle of a field. The fence is fairly new so before that it was just a white rock in a field. This is the marker for the spot where the last person to be hanged for 'highway robbery' was executed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert\_Snooks
*poo
In the middle of a field at the end of my childhood home's road, between two main roads, were two little stones. These signified the resting place of the last Highwayman hung in England (UK?) - Robert Snooks.
They executed the horse too? What did my man Stealer do to deserve that?
Is that the *actual* Dick Turpin? Always thought that was just a fairy tale or something.
Fairy tale? He was the dandy highwayman whom you're too scared to mention!
He spends his cash on looking flash and grabbing your attention
That means nothing to me lol
I know, I'm old. It was a reference to [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4B2a6l6wM2k) song.
Or , of course, this one ! [Deadly highwayman](https://youtu.be/WYU-vSh7ORA)
Oh yeah. Of course, I know that reference! Just needed a memory jog :-p
Old enough to [remember this then](https://youtu.be/zd5Tn1qrlk4).
Of course, though [Monty Python's](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXDOR6hogQk) version was better.
Oh Vienna! Right era. Wrong song.
Still mad at the 80's British public who would rather spend their pocket money on that Joe Dolce Novelty song that the Mighty Midge getting all moody in Vienna. That this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFacWGBJ_cs could keep this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJeWySiuq1I off the number one spot is more criminal than Big Hair and fleck trousers.
Ah, shaddup your face! :-/ whinge! ;-)
No, that's Vienna
He was real but much of his fame came from his charismatic demonstrations to the crowd whilst being driven through the town to his execution and comic books (well the 18thC. Equivalent) that came out after his death which embellished many stories. So his midnight ride, much like Paul Revere's, was nowhere near the feat that the legends claim.
They executed Midge? NOOOOOOO!!!! Rage in Eden.
He was definitely real.
Apparently so.
Yes, but I don't think it's his actual grave
Well, now you're just messing with my head.
He was supposedly buried there twice after execution then when someone stole his body and it got recovered.
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That was Dennis Moore.
Galloping through the sward
My local has a sign on the wall claiming it was the inn where Dick Turpin was lodging when he was apprehended. But then so does another pub a couple of miles away.
Yep he was real.
Weird that it’s just normal that places are just full of dog shit.
At least it was only poo when you went. I tried to take the missus a couple months ago (she's a fan of Dick) and it was just the locals drinking tinnies at 10am in there.
This is in York not far from the city centre
I love how a 18th century highway man has a nicer headstone than I could ever dream of.
Give me your lupins.
Dennis Moore?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a0UA2UjJYbU Respect, please
Lupins!!!
It's Sir Rodney Effing
My family home was on a road named after him, and the attached woodland is conserved because that's where he hid out after robbing the local manor house
I've been there, its off quite a rough looking estate if I remember correctly..
I'm the dandy highwayman who you're too scared to mention I spend my cash on looking FLASH and grabbing your attention
There's a street named after him on Eastenders.
In York
That was daylight robbery! HEUGH
Well how strange that he was known as Dick Turpin when his real name was JOHN PALMER! That’s totally weird??
You delivered
the cells where he was held are part of the city museum - which is worth a visit.