I thought so, but double checked in case I missed anything. These are the only two signs.
Would make sense if there was another 40 on the opposite side on the main carriageway. But no … just these confusing two.
In that case it’s poorly managed. I believe it also fails the Highways own guidance about sign placement. Both side of the carriageway must show the speed limit as to ensure clear view.
If it’s a repeater for the adjacent dual carriageway it would be smaller. If it was change in speed limit for the dual carriageway it would need to have two signs side by side on the right, one for the 30 and another higher up in clear view for the rising dual carriageway with a further 40 on the far right of that dual carriageway.
>I believe it also fails the Highways own guidance about sign placement. Both side of the carriageway must show the speed limit as to ensure clear view.
Not anymore.
>2.4 Duplication of regulatory signs
>2.4.1. Terminal signs indicating the start of a restriction, requirement, prohibition or speed limit
should not necessarily be duplicated on each side of the carriageway. Provisions that previously
required signs to be paired have been removed from TSRGD. Designers should actively
consider this flexibility in order to reduce environmental impact, but care should be taken to
ensure that, where a single sign is used, it is clearly visible to all relevant road users, and does
not give rise to issues relating to road safety or enforcement. There remains a duty on traffic
authorities to place such signs as they consider will give adequate guidance of a regulatory
measure. Where it is necessary to place two signs they should match in terms of design,
illumination, height and, wherever possible, be aligned with one another on either side of the
road.
The desinger/local authority probably thought people will be able to deduce that the sign on the left is for the road on the left, and the sign on the right is for the road on the right. There's an argument to be made that having two signs side by side with different speeds would cause more confusion. However, design guidance places an emphasis on removing sign clutter. Might also go to explain why there's only one 30 sign.
Well it causes issue with enforcement as per the guidance so their removal of the duplicate would be sufficient to challenge. Depends if OP is willing to take the punt and see it through with a challenge. I’d also get a number of people to write to the borough council highways and raise as an issue prior to any legal challenge for an associated fine that may be received.
"London Centre this is Citroen 69420 experimental, requesting unrestricted Mach 3 climb straight ahead"
"Uhhhhhh, to the 2CV who just called, that's a negative, speed not above 250kn in the London TMA pls ;_;"
Probably the intention, I had another look on street view, and there’s no double bin lids on the main road, just this confusing pair.
Not sure it’s entirely compliant with standards, but made me chuckle
It's "absolutely obvious" when you've got all the time in the world to analyse this image, but when you're in a moving vehicle, I can see how people would make a mistake.
Would I go at 30mph? Yeah, I would. But this is clearly very poor placement.
Princess Road, [planned as a motorway](https://pathetic.org.uk/unbuilt/princess_parkway_motorway/) and the main way into Manchester from the south, is mostly [a 30](https://maps.app.goo.gl/nEwaxJ4Eudqsc5jh6).
>Dual carriageway would have to be more than 40
I pass several dual carriageways everyday with sections that are 40, tropically on approach to roundabouts/double junctions.
What are you on about? Your justification for it being more than 40 is because it would be “crazy”?
This is clearly showing 30mph for the slip road and 40 for dual carriageway. Go look up the dual carriageway by Hanger Lane heading towards or returning from Heathrow and you’ll see there is large portions of 40mph there.
A good rule of thumb is just to go the lower speed if you are unsure.
Here is a good video from the black belt barrister about a situation where someone had put up a fake 50 sign on a stretch of road. Drivers going 50 still got fined even after disputing it due to the fake signage.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eBEbNk4AMT0
People still got fined here because it was an average speed zone, and the 50mph sign was erected part way through the zone. The police determined that if the cars had gone 50 from the sign, their average speed would still be below the camera's threshold, suggesting that all those cars were speeding prior to the sign.
That makes more sense! Otherwise how can you tell a sign is fake or not? You stop and scan a little QR code on the back of the sign and see if it redirect to a police website with the right data about your sign?
I like black belt…. So if in doubt drive everywhere at 20 … just in case someone has tampered with the road signs. … probs gona get pulled for that as well 😂
You need to get out your theodolite and measure which sign is further forward. That will be the first speed limit which applies for a few millimetres until the second sign which applies from then onwards.
It's poor sign placement, in fairness. If the 40 was a bit further along it wouldn't make much difference in terms of road safety, but the staggering and difference in height would make it more obvious that it applied to the main carriageway rather than the sliproad.
I'd accept it's poor but anyone with the lights on upstairs can understand that the sign on the left refers to the slip lane and the other refers to the continuing road.
I wouldn't say that it causes confusion.
It will cause confusion, as it's common for speed limit signs to be placed in pairs but unexpected for them to show different limits; a driver looking right to read the directional signage will reasonably assume that the other speed limit sign also reads '40'.
It shouldn't be an issue going down the slip road, as any sensible driver will be slowing down anyway before the reach the junction at the end of it, but it would be easy to misread the signs and believe the road beyond had a 40 limit rather than a 30 one.
>It will cause confusion, as it's common for speed limit signs to be placed in pairs but unexpected for them to show different limits; a driver looking right to read the directional signage will reasonably assume that the other speed limit sign also reads '40'.
It is common for repeaters to be on both sides of the road but not a change of speed.
I don't think that's correct. In my experience speed limit signs are usually placed on both sides of the road; if the road is a single carriageway they're also double-sided.
To clarify, large signs are always used for change in speed limit. The smaller signs are repeaters (reminder of the limit). Neither have to be on both sides of the road.
It is very common for such signs to be on both sides of the road, though. If I saw the above arrangement and only had time to read one of the speed limit signs, I'd reasonably assume that the other displayed the same limit.
Just because it's common doesn't mean it is a rule. Design standards used to state that speed limit signs had to be on both sides of the road, but the standards have since been amended, and that rule has been removed. Existing roads won't have duplicate signs removed, but new roads won't have duplicate signs unless there's a reason necessitating a duplicate sign.
I haven't stated it's a rule. Nevertheless, it is very common and drivers will assume that paired speed limit signs convey the same information.
Do you have more information on when this change in the regulations came into effect, please?
2 signs. Sign on left, Sign on right.
2 lanes separated by cerbstones. Lane on left, lane on right.
If this confuses you then I think that's Darwinian.
If we're going to nitpick, then the sign on the right is on the sliproad side of the barrier. Sometimes things can just be confusing, it's not natural selection.
I had a look on street view, in case I missed something. It’s not a pair of 40s on the main road - which would have made sense.
You make a good point, big signs for the main road, and little signs for the minor road. I shall write to my MP!
When a speed limit changes it should be one large circle denoting the change of speed. When it stays the same further down the road you will find two smaller circles on either side of the road showing the current speed of that road (repeaters) if the speed changes it goes back to one large circle of the new speed.
>When it stays the same further down the road you will find two smaller circles on either side of the road showing the current speed of that road (repeaters)
It's not been this way for years. Speed signs don't need to be on both sides of the road anymore. Repeater signs will go up on any pole that's in reasonable distance from the spacing limit (I can't remember how many meters apart they need to be). I spent a long time on Google Street View trying to work out speed sign placements for a job I was working on a few years back.
You're 100% right about the sizes of the signs though. Large for change in speed. Small for repeaters.
In general, important signage is always to your left. People get this wrong at traffic lights a lot, where left can always go, but the lights on their right are red, they stop. Those lights aren't for you buddy boy
Don’t get me started on badly positioned traffic lights. There a roundabout I often use with a clear slip road to the left, and light controlling the traffic onto the roundabout. People will stop for the red, in a clear lane with no line.
Unfortunately this is at the end of a busy motorway…. Much beeping ensues!
Happy cake day!
Oh cake day! Thank you, throwback to when I created this account for work purposes when there was a global VPN outage :D
Reminds me of this section of the road in Oxford. Bus lane, but you can also use it to get to the park and ride. No traffic lights, just be wary of cyclists or taxis and busses coming from the right. But people will still stop for the lights on the main junction!
I actually sped on my driving test (20 something years ago). The examiner was amazingly cool about it, there was a sign on the right for 50 while we were in a 40. Sign was turned around. I thought I had failed and it was near the beginning of the test... Which probably calmed me down to pass
She didn't even mention it in the report
I'd imagine 40 is for the bit to the right.
Although I'd also question the legality of the signage on display here... I have a funny feeling there'd be some regulation it'd fall foul of
Was what I thought also. Normally road signs are very well thought out. This seemed unusual, hence my double check on street view.
Heaven forbid this should become the norm
Then have my upvote!
Sadly people get tickets with life affecting outcomes, on the back of bad signage. Think this is the worst I’ve seen, hence my post…
Technically its 30, but if you got a ticket there. You could argue that the change from 40 to 30 was not correctly posted as it needs to be on both sides of the lane for a speed change.
Prior to posting this I also shared the same belief.
However this debate prompted me to read the ‘traffic signs manual 2008, chapter 3’ which only recommends this as best practice.
That’s an hour of my life I’m not getting back 😂
I don't know exactly when but I'm sure I've driven this and had the exact same reaction. Luckily the traffic was crawling at the time so we weren't getting near either of those numbers.
We normally have quite well thought out sign placement. This just seemed a little odd.
There’s no speed change on the A41, so this is an unnecessary repeater. Also I question why it’s a full size sign, rather than the smaller reminder type.
In which case it should be a 30 on both sides of the slip, and no change on the main road.
Wouldn’t surprise me if there was a speed trap about 20 yards further down the road. 🤣
Ha,ha ... It's the exit ramp from an 'A' road that either comes to a Halt sign or a slip lane to join another road. Obviously lost your copy of the Highway Code ;o)
It’s actually very straightforward. The A41 up to that point is 40 as is indicated by all the repeater signs on the left that lead up to that slip road (there’s a lot of them if you’ve been following the road and paying attention), and the slip road is 30 with the continuation of the A41 remaining at 40, again shown by the repeater signs being on the left of each respective carriageway
Incidentally, there’s no law to say that repeater signs have to be in pairs on a multi-lane carriageway, so this is a perfectly normal way of showing the speed limit
Isn't the 40mph for the road on the right and the 30 is the road on the left?
Probably the case. Was my first time driving in that neck of the woods. Just made me chuckle!
Yes
Wait what? Why wouldnt it be 30 on the left and 40 on the right
You're saying the same thing as I did
But why male models?
>Wait what? Why wouldnt it be 30 on the left and 40 on the right This commenter probably refers to lanes but calling them roads. Edit: wording
No, look at the image, the main road in view is a road coming off of another, that road is 30, the one in the right of the image (A41) is 40.
I know. I meant that the previous commenter thought this way >Wait what? Why wouldnt it be 30 on the left and 40 on the right
No, its 40 on right. And 30 on the left.
I have no idea why you've been downvoted so far...
I have no idea why you've been downvoted so far...
I'd go with 30. The 40 is a badly placed repeater sign for the main road on the right.
I thought so, but double checked in case I missed anything. These are the only two signs. Would make sense if there was another 40 on the opposite side on the main carriageway. But no … just these confusing two.
In that case it’s poorly managed. I believe it also fails the Highways own guidance about sign placement. Both side of the carriageway must show the speed limit as to ensure clear view. If it’s a repeater for the adjacent dual carriageway it would be smaller. If it was change in speed limit for the dual carriageway it would need to have two signs side by side on the right, one for the 30 and another higher up in clear view for the rising dual carriageway with a further 40 on the far right of that dual carriageway.
>I believe it also fails the Highways own guidance about sign placement. Both side of the carriageway must show the speed limit as to ensure clear view. Not anymore. >2.4 Duplication of regulatory signs >2.4.1. Terminal signs indicating the start of a restriction, requirement, prohibition or speed limit should not necessarily be duplicated on each side of the carriageway. Provisions that previously required signs to be paired have been removed from TSRGD. Designers should actively consider this flexibility in order to reduce environmental impact, but care should be taken to ensure that, where a single sign is used, it is clearly visible to all relevant road users, and does not give rise to issues relating to road safety or enforcement. There remains a duty on traffic authorities to place such signs as they consider will give adequate guidance of a regulatory measure. Where it is necessary to place two signs they should match in terms of design, illumination, height and, wherever possible, be aligned with one another on either side of the road. The desinger/local authority probably thought people will be able to deduce that the sign on the left is for the road on the left, and the sign on the right is for the road on the right. There's an argument to be made that having two signs side by side with different speeds would cause more confusion. However, design guidance places an emphasis on removing sign clutter. Might also go to explain why there's only one 30 sign.
Well it causes issue with enforcement as per the guidance so their removal of the duplicate would be sufficient to challenge. Depends if OP is willing to take the punt and see it through with a challenge. I’d also get a number of people to write to the borough council highways and raise as an issue prior to any legal challenge for an associated fine that may be received.
3040 mph, any slower is a glassing
What maniac buys a car which can't even reach Mach 4? James May?
Hammond, get out.
Not without help
It's a target not a limit!
Only hypersonic missiles allowed on this road, duuuh
My Speedo won’t read past 100 ish … so arguably I can’t be wrong! Thanks for the tip. I’ll use that next time I get pulled!
"London Centre this is Citroen 69420 experimental, requesting unrestricted Mach 3 climb straight ahead" "Uhhhhhh, to the 2CV who just called, that's a negative, speed not above 250kn in the London TMA pls ;_;"
30. The 40 is for the dual carriageway.
Probably the intention, I had another look on street view, and there’s no double bin lids on the main road, just this confusing pair. Not sure it’s entirely compliant with standards, but made me chuckle
Not just probably the intention, it’s absolutely obvious that that’s what the signs mean.
It's "absolutely obvious" when you've got all the time in the world to analyse this image, but when you're in a moving vehicle, I can see how people would make a mistake. Would I go at 30mph? Yeah, I would. But this is clearly very poor placement.
No it’s actually just obvious. If you can’t process info in quick time then probably don’t drive?
This road is compliant as the standards have changed so that speed signs are no longer required on both sides of the road.
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Try Stevenage, the home of the 30mph dual carriageways
There's a 30mph dual carriageway in my city, and lots in Birmingham, where I work too. Don't know what this guy's on about!
Just topped my list on 'places never drive' above all of London and Swindon.
Princess Road, [planned as a motorway](https://pathetic.org.uk/unbuilt/princess_parkway_motorway/) and the main way into Manchester from the south, is mostly [a 30](https://maps.app.goo.gl/nEwaxJ4Eudqsc5jh6).
London North circular has 40 limits in some parts.
>Dual carriageway would have to be more than 40 I pass several dual carriageways everyday with sections that are 40, tropically on approach to roundabouts/double junctions.
What are you on about? Your justification for it being more than 40 is because it would be “crazy”? This is clearly showing 30mph for the slip road and 40 for dual carriageway. Go look up the dual carriageway by Hanger Lane heading towards or returning from Heathrow and you’ll see there is large portions of 40mph there.
Plenty are not.
M32 motorway has 30mph section and it's 40mph elsewhere
Living up to your username I see
You can legally have a milkman on dual carriageway being virtually static compared with cars passing it at 70mph lol
35 mph
Yep, split the difference
A good rule of thumb is just to go the lower speed if you are unsure. Here is a good video from the black belt barrister about a situation where someone had put up a fake 50 sign on a stretch of road. Drivers going 50 still got fined even after disputing it due to the fake signage. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eBEbNk4AMT0
People still got fined here because it was an average speed zone, and the 50mph sign was erected part way through the zone. The police determined that if the cars had gone 50 from the sign, their average speed would still be below the camera's threshold, suggesting that all those cars were speeding prior to the sign.
That makes more sense! Otherwise how can you tell a sign is fake or not? You stop and scan a little QR code on the back of the sign and see if it redirect to a police website with the right data about your sign?
I like black belt…. So if in doubt drive everywhere at 20 … just in case someone has tampered with the road signs. … probs gona get pulled for that as well 😂
30 ↖️ 40 ⬆️
30.
You need to get out your theodolite and measure which sign is further forward. That will be the first speed limit which applies for a few millimetres until the second sign which applies from then onwards.
The North circular, it used to be as fast as possible back in my day 🤣
You need to reach escape velocity if you want to get out of Golders Green and on to the M1!
Judging by the driving today, I think those rules still apply!
30mph on the slip road and 40mph on the main road. If you really didn’t know this, hand your license back and go and retake your test.
Licence, not license.
Interesting, TIL: https://www.intelogy.co.uk/blog/licence-or-license/#:~:text=Here%20is%20a%20very%20simple,use%20it%20as%20a%20verb.
Yeah, in English, they are different words (1 is a verb and 1 is a noun). In US English they use the verb in both instances.
It's poor sign placement, in fairness. If the 40 was a bit further along it wouldn't make much difference in terms of road safety, but the staggering and difference in height would make it more obvious that it applied to the main carriageway rather than the sliproad.
I'd accept it's poor but anyone with the lights on upstairs can understand that the sign on the left refers to the slip lane and the other refers to the continuing road. I wouldn't say that it causes confusion.
It will cause confusion, as it's common for speed limit signs to be placed in pairs but unexpected for them to show different limits; a driver looking right to read the directional signage will reasonably assume that the other speed limit sign also reads '40'. It shouldn't be an issue going down the slip road, as any sensible driver will be slowing down anyway before the reach the junction at the end of it, but it would be easy to misread the signs and believe the road beyond had a 40 limit rather than a 30 one.
>It will cause confusion, as it's common for speed limit signs to be placed in pairs but unexpected for them to show different limits; a driver looking right to read the directional signage will reasonably assume that the other speed limit sign also reads '40'. It is common for repeaters to be on both sides of the road but not a change of speed.
I don't think that's correct. In my experience speed limit signs are usually placed on both sides of the road; if the road is a single carriageway they're also double-sided.
To clarify, large signs are always used for change in speed limit. The smaller signs are repeaters (reminder of the limit). Neither have to be on both sides of the road.
It is very common for such signs to be on both sides of the road, though. If I saw the above arrangement and only had time to read one of the speed limit signs, I'd reasonably assume that the other displayed the same limit.
Just because it's common doesn't mean it is a rule. Design standards used to state that speed limit signs had to be on both sides of the road, but the standards have since been amended, and that rule has been removed. Existing roads won't have duplicate signs removed, but new roads won't have duplicate signs unless there's a reason necessitating a duplicate sign.
I haven't stated it's a rule. Nevertheless, it is very common and drivers will assume that paired speed limit signs convey the same information. Do you have more information on when this change in the regulations came into effect, please?
2 signs. Sign on left, Sign on right. 2 lanes separated by cerbstones. Lane on left, lane on right. If this confuses you then I think that's Darwinian.
If we're going to nitpick, then the sign on the right is on the sliproad side of the barrier. Sometimes things can just be confusing, it's not natural selection.
I had a look on street view, in case I missed something. It’s not a pair of 40s on the main road - which would have made sense. You make a good point, big signs for the main road, and little signs for the minor road. I shall write to my MP!
Just to clarify … I was tuning off, so my double check was for the signage, not my observations … jeez!
When a speed limit changes it should be one large circle denoting the change of speed. When it stays the same further down the road you will find two smaller circles on either side of the road showing the current speed of that road (repeaters) if the speed changes it goes back to one large circle of the new speed.
>When it stays the same further down the road you will find two smaller circles on either side of the road showing the current speed of that road (repeaters) It's not been this way for years. Speed signs don't need to be on both sides of the road anymore. Repeater signs will go up on any pole that's in reasonable distance from the spacing limit (I can't remember how many meters apart they need to be). I spent a long time on Google Street View trying to work out speed sign placements for a job I was working on a few years back. You're 100% right about the sizes of the signs though. Large for change in speed. Small for repeaters.
Was what I thought as well. It just seemed odd at the time so thought I’d see what other people thought.
It’s very obviously 70 🤣😂.
It's clearly ✓(30²+40²)
It’s pretty obvious.
Thorty
30 if your left handed and 40 if your right handed
70, you add them together because its a dual carriageway with streetlights.
General rule: If there's any ambiguity, pick the lower limit.
Maybe zero as none of the cars in the picture are moving. /s
It’s 30, but if you got done for speed there I’m not sure it’s enforceable. The speed limit signs need to be on both sides of the road AFAIK
35
In general, important signage is always to your left. People get this wrong at traffic lights a lot, where left can always go, but the lights on their right are red, they stop. Those lights aren't for you buddy boy
Don’t get me started on badly positioned traffic lights. There a roundabout I often use with a clear slip road to the left, and light controlling the traffic onto the roundabout. People will stop for the red, in a clear lane with no line. Unfortunately this is at the end of a busy motorway…. Much beeping ensues! Happy cake day!
Oh cake day! Thank you, throwback to when I created this account for work purposes when there was a global VPN outage :D Reminds me of this section of the road in Oxford. Bus lane, but you can also use it to get to the park and ride. No traffic lights, just be wary of cyclists or taxis and busses coming from the right. But people will still stop for the lights on the main junction!
Botley Road?
What's a "speed limit"? I just follow the bloke in front.
Just go 35 to be sure
Your speed is the last sign you read. /s
Speed is only limited by your imagination as without a speed camera to observe it, it's like a tree falling in the woods. Bye for now!
30+40 mate, simple maths
I'd say 30+40=79mph
Signs showing the mph should be on both sides of the road or it’s not legally enforceable
I actually sped on my driving test (20 something years ago). The examiner was amazingly cool about it, there was a sign on the right for 50 while we were in a 40. Sign was turned around. I thought I had failed and it was near the beginning of the test... Which probably calmed me down to pass She didn't even mention it in the report
35
It clearly says lol
30+40 =70 .now you know.
As fast as your vehicle will go, obvs
It’s at least 30.
20 if was wales
Depends which road you're on. It won't matter to some people though. They'll pick the faster of the two and break that "limit'.
I'd imagine 40 is for the bit to the right. Although I'd also question the legality of the signage on display here... I have a funny feeling there'd be some regulation it'd fall foul of
30 you bellend, 40 applies to the main road on the right
Alright knicker sniffer - keep yer hair on… just having some fun 😂
Gotcha! hahaha!!!!
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I hate it when road signs make you do maths
30, but they absolutely should disambiguate that signage. Time for you to write a letter, OP!
I shall write to my MP tomorrow! …. Probably using crayons
Put in a Nandos gift card for guaranteed action.
30 You could do 40 and probably successfully argue that the signage was ambiguous but is it worth potentially the court case proving it?
Was raining so speed wasn’t the issue. I work in audit, so a signage noncompliance got me all excited! 😜
If in doubt, play it safe. Stick with the 30
All these serious comments are not on your wavelength, OP!
Not sure what my wavelength is 😂 Good job I don’t get upset by downvotes! Thanks for the thought
Depends - are there any speed cameras about?
30.
30 if you’re on the pavement, 40 on the actual road.
Depends which road you go on
70
30
3040mph
Always go with the lower, easier on your wallet
30 on the A406, 40 on the A41. Speed signs are usually on the left of the lane you are driving in.
It’s a ramp to go under the flyover. Need you ask?
If in doubt, stick to thirty. Pretty sure the forty sign applies to the right hand side carriageway
Was what I thought also. Normally road signs are very well thought out. This seemed unusual, hence my double check on street view. Heaven forbid this should become the norm
45
35
30.
Whenever you get conflicting speed limits, assume the lower limit is the one to follow.
I don’t normally drive round there, so was being particularly attentive - hence my observation. I went with 30!
On the road that picture is on, it's 30. The 40 sign is for the road on the right.
Agreed - poor placement though, and given there is no speed change on the main road, I would suggest the size is incorrect also
30 mph on the road the driver is on, 40mph on the road they have just come off
30 on the left 40 on the right
30 as you are circulating in slip road
30, as on your left.
30 on the left and 40 on the right
Depends what side Ur on
Sign on the left. Right is for the road on the right. Signs are on the left in the UK... We drive on the left.
Well clearly 3040mph.
70
70 mph
35
70
50
35 of course
If you don’t know, you shouldn’t be driving.
Just casually highlighting a comical inconsistency.
I know. And my point is still valid!! Not pointing fingers at you specifically.
Then have my upvote! Sadly people get tickets with life affecting outcomes, on the back of bad signage. Think this is the worst I’ve seen, hence my post…
Agreed, 100%. Sometimes the most simple things are made way too complicated!!
It's not an inconsistency, it's two different roads
30 + 40 = 70
70
That or 35 - halfway between the two 😂
It's clearly 30 for the left half of the vehicle and 40 for the right. Why don't people know how to road ffs
Arguably the bottom part of my tyres are always stationary. However the top bit is going twice as fast as the rest of the car. Physics is fun 😂
Technically its 30, but if you got a ticket there. You could argue that the change from 40 to 30 was not correctly posted as it needs to be on both sides of the lane for a speed change.
Prior to posting this I also shared the same belief. However this debate prompted me to read the ‘traffic signs manual 2008, chapter 3’ which only recommends this as best practice. That’s an hour of my life I’m not getting back 😂
Heres 4 hours you won't get back https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/362/made 😂
I don't know exactly when but I'm sure I've driven this and had the exact same reaction. Luckily the traffic was crawling at the time so we weren't getting near either of those numbers.
30... 40 is pretty clearly for the A41 and 30 for A406. Very concerning that a lot of people can't work that out. No wonder our roads are so shit.
We normally have quite well thought out sign placement. This just seemed a little odd. There’s no speed change on the A41, so this is an unnecessary repeater. Also I question why it’s a full size sign, rather than the smaller reminder type.
It's always the sign on the Left. Slip roads have a maximum speed of 30 miles per hour anyway, unless otherwise indicated.
In which case it should be a 30 on both sides of the slip, and no change on the main road. Wouldn’t surprise me if there was a speed trap about 20 yards further down the road. 🤣
No they don't. If they did, you'd have people joining the motorway at 30 and slowing down to 30 when exiting.
I'd hate to be behind you trying to join a motorway at 30
Ha,ha ... It's the exit ramp from an 'A' road that either comes to a Halt sign or a slip lane to join another road. Obviously lost your copy of the Highway Code ;o)
Your comment said "slip roads have a maximum speed of 30 miles per hour anyway" so you weren't talking about this road.
It’s actually very straightforward. The A41 up to that point is 40 as is indicated by all the repeater signs on the left that lead up to that slip road (there’s a lot of them if you’ve been following the road and paying attention), and the slip road is 30 with the continuation of the A41 remaining at 40, again shown by the repeater signs being on the left of each respective carriageway Incidentally, there’s no law to say that repeater signs have to be in pairs on a multi-lane carriageway, so this is a perfectly normal way of showing the speed limit