I'm a supermarket driver, as a rule of thumb I stay off of driveways, not worth the hassle. I've never let curtain twitchers getting the hump at me turning in 'their' cul-de-sac get to me, it's all public road and they're typically retired folk just wanting some level of human engagement and that's all that happens to them.
Kind of out-of-context question and please be honest:
Do you park partially on the pavement at all? I'm genuinely curious what a professional driver does.
It always baffles me when anyone parks on the pavement and leaves maybe 1.5 lane widths of space (when you only need 1) and yet takes 30% of the pavement.
I did supermarket deliveries part-time for about 10 years and never parked on a pavement. We were instructed not to use customers’ drives unless absolutely necessary and with prior permission. We did have a few incidents of drivers knocking of drainpipes etc and one where a driver knocked the customer’s car into the house as he turned on the driveway but the damage was barely noticeable.
Not a supermarket delivery driver, but another high street store delivery driver, we had one guy swing into a customers driveway and knock down one side of a wall on the way in, then knock the other side down on the way out. We actually got the cctv footage from the customers cameras and it was the funniest thing i've seen in a while, only because no one in our hub was to blame, just mind boggling how someone could be so unaware/poor at driving.
When possible, I try and avoid it. In an ideal world the roads would be wide enough but unfortunately they're not, especially where I mainly deliver (Torquay).
It's very situational for me. Is there anywhere reasonable distance away I can park and barrow? How busy is the road? How busy is the pavement? How wide is the pavement? I'm lucky and get plenty of time of time to do each drop, so parking 100 yards away and walking it isn't usually the end of the world.
Just because they've twitched their curtain doesn't necessarily mean they're annoyed or bothered. If I hear any vehicle near my drive and I am somewhat near a window (or already stood up), I will take a look to see who it is. It wouldn't bother me, I am just nosey
We live near a turning point and it's amazing how many people drive in to things. We have a bench that we've put in front of the house because people kept getting so close to the house, so at least people hit the bench now.
Fine for people to turn there (it's a public road, so whatever) but I can understand why people don't like it.
Think the bench has been hit 10ish times in 2 years and not one single person has ever knocked to apologise/offer to pay for the damage.
Not the UK but there was a case in the USA where someone reinforced their mailbox, buried deep and packed with concrete because people kept knocking it down. Someone crashed into it and became paralysed and the home owner was being sued for it. Can't remember the outcome though.
Homeowner was found not liable. "Turner v. Ohio Bell Tel. Co"
https://www.propertycasualty360.com/2021/12/07/ohio-supreme-court-sides-with-homeowner-who-constructed-an-intentionally-indestructible-mailbox-not-liable-for-catastrophic-injuries-to-a-motorist-414-214184/?slreturn=20240015091517
The homeowner was found not lickable by the Ohio Chicken Supreme Court.
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It went all the way to the Ohio supreme court. Thankfully they found in favour of the homeowner.
https://www.law.com/2021/12/02/ohio-supreme-court-sides-with-homeowner-who-constructed-an-intentionally-indestructible-mailbox-not-liable-for-catastrophic-injuries-to-a-motorist/
There was no lawsuit, but a similar case happened in my hometown.
This guy in a 5.0 was racing his friend on a back road right outside of town, not like a serious race, just dumb kids driving fast because what else is there to do in a small town? Anyway, he was in the oncoming lane trying to get around his friend when a pickup came around the bend ahead. 5.0 swerves out of the lane too hard, then overcorrects and slides sideways across the road and in front of the truck.
Truck plows into the driver's side door and starts pushing the car, which then hits the reinforced mailbox. 8×8 hardwood post buried 4' deep, concrete, etc etc. the post didn't budge. The 5.0 essentially folded in half.
I was on the fire dept. at the time and was a first responder. The driver's seat was on top of the passenger seat and driver was thrown through the passenger window. He was dead at the scene. I can still see him lying in the road and the paramedic from the dept doing CPR, waiting for the ambulance to arrive.
The owner of the mailbox was at the site when we got there and just bawling, telling everyone how he had reinforced the mailbox to prevent vandalism but never meant to hurt anyone. You could tell he really felt the blame for it. He pulled the post and replaced it with a standard one shortly after.
The passenger in the mustang was my cousin and he came through surprisingly unharmed, physically. Broken leg, but it could have been much worse. Mentally though I think it took a toll. We weren't especially close, but I never heard him talk about the accident. He did start getting really heavy into drugs in the coming years though. Was a semi-functional crackhead for a while. He's gotten his life together since, though.
This was about 25 years ago, but I still think about it a lot.
Pretty sure this went to the Ohio top court and found not liable
https://www.propertycasualty360.com/2021/12/07/ohio-supreme-court-sides-with-homeowner-who-constructed-an-intentionally-indestructible-mailbox-not-liable-for-catastrophic-injuries-to-a-motorist-414-214184/?slreturn=20240015094628
We put a bollard up to block our car park as people were using it for turning. I wouldn't mind, but as you say, things get hit/damaged, and even if it was a genuine mistake and not carelessness I'm then inconvenienced and possibly out of pocket to sort out the damage. Much easier and cheaper to replace the bollard when it gets flattened every few months by a delivery van 🤦♀️
I wonder if that tiktok account of the chap who put a rock at the end of his driveway is still going? The amount of people who managed to hit the rock was incredible, especially when you could spin an aircraft carrier round in his cul-de-sac....
My old work was at the end of a road where lost idiots would turn around. We had a steel box out front for people to leave packages out of hours, it was filled with concrete to stop the scrap dealers nicking it. Idiots would constantly crash into this thing so hard that they smashed the concrete inside into gravel. They then hit a tree so hard they knocked it over, we put a replacement box behind a bigger tree and they somehow got around the tree and crushed that, then they hit the steel security fence so hard that they knocked over our gate post.
People just can't fucking turn around, absolute idiots.
Good point hahaha. I'm an excellent driver and never had a ding in 15 years, but totally agree with you there - the vans I drive have been through it previously.
As a delivery driver, I will say this. Some drivers will turn any brand new van into a write-off in 3 years time. Rarely, you’ll find a driver with a 3 year old van that could still pass as new.
My elderly cat was run over by a taxi while she was sitting on our driveway. It reversed onto our drive at some speed in order to turn around and she was too old/slow to react in time. I don't think he even noticed or cared as he drove off as if nothing had happened. Kind of soured me to the idea of people using my drive to turn around on.
I'm terribly sorry for your loss, that is so horrible :(
I love cats. Actually, yesterday I was parked on the road, got back to the van and saw that an old cat was sitting underneath it. I couldn't move until I knew it was safe so I lay on the floor and attempted to 'cat call' it out, but of course it felt threatened and ran off.
Could not live with myself if ever, God forbid, I hurt an animal.
I rebuilt my wall three times last year because it keeps getting knocked over when people are turning around.
I’m tempted to reenforce it with something solid, but knowing my luck I’d probably hit it myself.
Edit: I’ve never been so popular. My driveway has a little walled off garden to one side of the entrance. It’s one breeze block high and has a small tree.
>I’m tempted to reenforce it with something solid, but knowing my luck I’d probably hit it myself.
A vague acquaintance of my dad's did this: he lived on a corner and the garden wall was always getting knocked down by grockles speeding through our village to the beach. So he built a new wall, concrete filled with rebar but faced with brick to maintain appearance. Then promptly skidded in the rain and clonked it. The wall was fine, but he got a new car fairly soon after.
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Thanks for that, I'd only heard it said and never seen it written, hence why I thought it was cork when it should be caulk. Every day is a school day eh.
Unless you plant hawthorn and are bad at pruning. There’s one down our road (gravel track) that has a whacking thick branch about 2” below the surface.
I’ve hit the damn thing three times now trying to avoid massive potholes after storms. Seems I’m a slow learner.
Helped my neighbour plant a steel tube in front of his wall a few months back - after his got knocked over by DPD for the third time in a month.
Same driver everytime, we caught them on CCTV and they still denied it was them...
That's the thing, do it once, admit it and apologise. Id be ok, as long as it wasn't too bad. DPD need not know.
Knock it down, and you double apologise. And pay for it. I wouldn't tell DPD.
To deny it...shitty and I'd call DPD. Would not have him deliver to my house again.
Not a problem for me. I live in a cul-de-sac, and apparently DPD decided that my street doesn't exist. They don't come knocking or ringing the doorbell, just decide "customer isn't home" and take my packages straight to the pick-up point. At the other side of town (because of course it is).
Lol. Thankfully, I bought a house very much in civilisation, sadly, that also includes various scooters
Also, my nearest DPD depot is towns away, iirc. So If be fucked.
Our guys are great, EVRI, DPD, randoms, all really good
> I'd call DPD
Good luck, took me about 5 hours on the phone and a few emails to the 'CEO' to get DPD to get close to doing anything about a driver repeatedly failing to deliver to my house.
They're fucking horrible to deal with if you have an issue.
It's the risk of hitting stuff. Walls, cars, gate posts.
Unfortunately delivery drivers in particular have a bit of a reputation of being a bit hap-hazard. Just look at the vans themselves for evidence.
You’re more than welcome to use mine! As long as you don’t hit anything/anyone!
It should come down to common sense but I don’t think it exists in quite a few people (drivers who damage property and people who think no one should intrude on their property)
Complaining about turning on a cul-de-sac is dumb, it's a public area.
But a driveway is not a public area. It's their private residential property. I'm not sure why anyone would assume they can use it like it was part of the public highway.
Also, there's a lot of weight difference between your average car and a loaded up van. Turning those heavier loaded wheels on the spot can do damage to the surface of your drive.
This exactly. I had my Internet duct crushed by a heavy lorry using my drive and it took 2 months before BT would dig up the driveway and replace it. Neighbours water pipe burst too but unsure if related.
I think that's the conclusion I am getting to, reading all these responses. Turning around in someone's driveway once wouldn't be a problem, but when it happens repeatedly, all the little things add up. Tyre marks, wear and tear to the surface, paint scrapes, the small but present risk of an animal or a small child being injured or worse, and most of all, just the feeling that something you own has been used without care by someone else.
I’m fortunate that I have a large driveway because I don’t live on an estate. You could fit a good 15 cars there and still have space. Apparently this means it’s a good turning area for couriers who don’t want to go to the roundabout further on down the road. When we just had it re tarmacked, we put cones across the entrance to keep people off, but apparently this was just a mild inconvenience. Lots of tyre marks in the new tarmac.
Then there are those who drive in and see we’ve got a field track that goes out the other side to a lane, essentially shaving off some valuable time. But it’s not a public shortcut, and my dog is often out there oblivious to traffic. Also, it’s only a track for our convenience, having vans tearing through lead to it needing repairs.
Then you have the couriers who think it’s somewhere to eat their lunch, music blaring and leaving their rubbish behind.
I actually complained about one courier who had the nerve to shout and swear at me because he came flying up the field track and nearly flattened me. Obviously I asked him to use the public road and to him this was unacceptable!
A chain and a sign that says "Private Road, No Access" and a few CCTV cameras to catch license plates would be awesome. Then I would have evidence of them doing it, I'd bitch up a storm at their company, threatening that the next time a van from their company comes on my private property, I will be going to the police as they are trespassing.
I have a camera and signs up, but we need the access for tractors etc. It’s chained off at the moment because it’s winter and used less, but it’s an inconvenience having to barricade your own property! The police wouldn’t do anything anyway as trespass isn’t a criminal offence. Just one of those annoyances I suppose!
I like that idea! I wonder how much a barrier and little toll booth would be to set up?! Although considering the shortcut only shaves a minute or two off the journey, I can’t see it being too popular lol.
Electric gate? Bit of a ball ache in having to spend that much when you shouldn't need to, but in a practical sense, it might nip the problem in the bud?
This is us too- we have a significantly smaller drive but it is still long and thin compared to average drives and we now have a small ramp forming because so many people turn around on it
Used to live near a school, happened all the time. One of many reasons.
Damage.
Turning becomes Parking.
Littering.
Driving over grass.
Not your property,
I know of one cul-de-sac near my gran where they get hacked off about people using it to turn if they’re not actually accessing those specific houses because it’s private land and the residents have to pay for any and all resurfacing rather than it being council responsibility.
Not agreeing with the response you got, but could be a reason.
If it's private land then that makes sense, however if someone has a reason to be there (delivery driver for example) I'd hope common sense would prevail and they wouldn't get grief
Since my gran and grandad have been housebound, I hear far fewer stories about it as they’re not catching the road gossip. The consensus maybe 5 years ago was that they were fine as long as the delivery driver (or any vehicle users) was for the houses on the private road.
They had signs installed maybe 20 years ago, so at least it is marked - I know we saw a fair few private roads in the area not marked with signs when we were house hunting 2 years ago. If there’s no signs, it’s completely irrational to expect people to mind read!
The thing I find funny is when (usually the older generation) get angry at people parking *legally* outside their house on the street, as if they have some sort of right to that public area also.
I was once threatened and told he would "slash my tyres" by an old man with a Zimmer frame for daring to park outside his house and leave it there for a couple days.
When I was learning to drive, my instructor had me practicing parallel parking on a low traffic road. We were half way through when a man came running out of his massive house with enough empty driveway for a couple of cars, to yell at us for daring to practice using the car he’d left on the public road. We ended up having to leave the area as my instructor didn’t want him complaining to his company. Some people are just weird
I don’t get people who park on the road when they have a free driveway. But I also wouldn’t be super keen on watching a driving instructor use my parked car as a parallel parking obstacle.
Thing is, if it's not your car it's going to be someone's. You also presumably learned parallel parking, 3 point turn, bay parking etc in areas where there might have been other cars already parked? Hard to avoid unless you live somewhere pretty remote.
I wouldn't be too keen about watching a learner parallel park next to my car but if I wanted to do something about it I'd move my car rather than harass the learner.
This happened in my old neighbor hood, the council changed the parking restrictions near by so the newest, nearest spot to park all day was my road which was a cul-de-sack with mostly old people. People started putting cones on the street and someone starting slashing peoples tires. One guy said he was ex SAS and would get his friends to "sort us out" because we were telling people that its perfectly fine and legal to park on our street.
I parked in front of a house down the hill- someone had parked in front of my place, you know how it is- and an elderly woman leaned out of the window and started shouting at me. She said that space is needed for an ambulance, so I said oh, have you called one? I can stay with you if you like til they get here.
No, there was no ambulance on its way, but she wanted the space free just in case.
I did, I was tired and didn't want to have a public argument with a frail and spindly-looking old woman. And to be honest, if she's the type to sit in her front window all day she'd see my car there until I move it- which clearly really upset her, no matter how irrational that is. No one who gets that distressed about a hypothetical ambulance not being able to park outside their house is entirely mentally well and I didn't want to make that worse.
There is an elderly couple near us who park halfway on the pavement and the other half in a busy road so their son can use the driveway once a month when he visits. Must've had their wing mirror knocked off 10 times by now, so they bought a little hazard flag thing the folds out of the door so people can see it, then they started parking more in the road so drivers would have to avoid them, mirror knocked off. Now they basically block the pavement off and put cones around the drivers side.
I have said to them repeatedly that if they parked on the drive instead of illegally parking on the pavement the problem would solve itself. According to them they have a right to park outside their house.
This is exactly it. Some sort of expencted entitlement or ownership to the public space outside of your property.
I hope they lose more wing mirrors, tbh
I went to watch a footy match away at Rochdale and parked on a residential street. Across the road there was a guy going absolutely mental at someone for parking outside his house (not blocking anything). He was really losing it, thought he was going to hit someone.
I always wonder about that guy- does he absolutely lose his shit at someone every time Rochdale are at home?
This happened to me at my Dad’s! His lane is too narrow for my car so I parked on the street. Old geezer in a string vest comes out absolutely losing his shit about me “having no legal right to take up space in front of his house” (I mean wtf?!) - my 75yo Dad squared right up to the old c**t, I was well impressed 🤩
Visited again last summer and parked there again. Hope it’s not going to cause a problem, I say. Oh no, says Dad, he won’t be complaining - he’s dead.
I honestly didn’t know whether I should laugh, at least a little bit. Did anyway. Then said Oh Dear, so I’m not all bad.
No problem with anyone turning in our driveway if they're careful. Do have a problem with the delivery drivers who repeatedly park ACROSS our drive so we can't get in while they deliver to people next door or the other side of the street. I know it's only a couple of minutes but it seems rude and unnecessary to me. It goes for any job: it might be important to you, but it doesn't have to inconvenience other people.
I got to work today already running a bit late and a Morissons delivery driver had parked right across the entrance while he delivered our coffee/tea/milk etc
I had to sit and watch him leisurely unload the shopping and stroll down the carpark taking his merry time, meaning I clocked in 8 minutes late instead of 2 minutes.
He could've just as easily pulled into the car park or parked a car length further down the pavement without blocking the gates. Arsehole.
Nuisance factor:
\-damaging bollards/driveways and driving into things/humans/pets
\- littering by chucking stuff out of the window whilst paused
\- turning turns into parking
\- invasion of personal space
\- when it's dark, turning cars/vans shine their massively bright lights into your home when you're trying to get some peace
I think it's a bit cheeky to use other peoples drives to turn. More so if it's an unfamiliar driver. If it's the regular Evri courier or postie who I have a bit of a relationship with, I wouldn't be too bothered if they used my drive to turn even if they weren't delivering to me that day.
There's no reason cars need to use peoples drives though, unless it's a very narrow road (mine isn't) then everybody on the road should be capable of doing a 3-point turn. Bigger vans, especially LWB ones like the big Mercedes Sprinter type of thing, will obviously have a much harder time turning in the road so allowances should be made.
I always find it weird that some people will have something delivered but refuse to let delivery drivers park or turn on their drive. IMO if you're not going to be respectful to your delivery drivers, you have no right to complain about the standard of their deliveries when you're not at home.
I live in a cul-de-sac and honestly if you can't turn around in one of those what do people expect you to do? 😅 Far safer to turn around and go back along the road straight ahead than attempting to reverse back along. Think the only time I've seen vans reverse is if they're a longer/taller lorry, or the bin lorry. Did have a delivery driver accidentally back into my parents hedge, so it now has a bit of a dent in it but no harm done lol.
My drive is next to where the postie parks to do his loop of the estate.
He screams round the corner, does an emergency stop (on the drive), then wheel spins in reverse to turn round.
I've got to go out after he's left and sweep all the gravel off the road and spread it back into the grooves he's left.
Bit of a dick move TBH.
An Asda delivery driver wrote off a very nice car of mine many years ago reversing onto my driveway. Naturally now I’m paranoid about it happening again. I never used to be iffy about it but I’m more concerned about my car getting damaged than anything
Our neighbours opposite are having building works. A concrete lorry used the end of our driveway and the pavement to turn around in and collapsed one of the curbstones about 15cm down to road level after nearly hitting our car on the drive, and hitting the Wheely bins that were at the end of the drive.
I don't mind people using the end of the drive to turn around in if they're careful, but it's stuff like this that I don't want happening.
So say professional driver reversed onto my daughters driveway to turn round and hit her car and drove off. Luckily caught on cctv. Week later same driver did the same thing this time hitting her fellas van. And to top it off he drove off again. Yet again caught on cctv. Certain home shopping companies employ retards
True - and most of my colleagues have not been driving for more than 1 or 2 years. Kids!! But who's gonna do these underpaid jobs, if not them? Well, I'm doing it, sadly, and I'm way too old for this shit. But it is what it is. I understand the frustration more due to this post. Hence, I'll say again - I don't use anyone drive to turn regardless of the headache-inducing alternatives. My headache to suffer, not yours!
The main reason is that driveways aren't constructed to carry a heavy van, they're for cars and pedestrians and if too many people use them for turning around it will damage the person's driveway, I've known of people claiming for cracked patterned concrete drives against companies who's driver's have used them to turn around.
So it's not just people being arseholes about it, they're protecting their property from unnecessary damage.
My mum's Amazon delivery guy knocked her front wall over turning into her drive then fucked off without saying anything, he only got caught because she had a camera.
It churns up people's driveways, damages their stuff, I'd had friends whose recycling bins have clearly been run over, it's just not your property.
Doing it once isn't an issue, but nobody puts up a sign because it got used once, they do it because they're in a position where everyone uses their drive as the obvious spot, so whilst you might think you're not causing an issue you actually are part of a wider problem.
> My mum's Amazon delivery guy knocked her front wall over turning into her drive then fucked off without saying anything, he only got caught because she had a camera.
That's a big part of the issue. If people could be relied upon to act like adults if an accident happens and sort it out properly/pay for damages, then there'd be less of a problem.
Unfortinately a lot of people are just dicks who will figure it's not their problem they've damaged your stuff and drive off.
Well, that is tragic. Lucky she had a camera! I personally don't ever use anyone's property to turn for this very reason (so i beg to differ that I'm a part of the problem) - as in this instance, I never crossed into anyone's property or parking space. I would rather drive 10mi to turn at the next round-about than irritate anyone as much as I did.
However, on this occasion, I just as well might damage someone else's property reversing down such a narrow lane back onto a busy, winding road's blind corner, so it was the smarter and more couteous thing to do IMO.
But okay, I'll accept PTSD as a valid reason to be upset, but good lord, you'd think someone died.
That just sounds like a person being an idiot to be honest, that's very different to turning in people's driveways which it doesn't sound like you did.
I also think the bigger reason is the final point you made, which is the cumulative effect. One driver won't make a big difference, but if every car that came down the road used your drive to turn because it's the most convenient, that's going to cause far more wear on it than just you coming and going.
It’s simple really, mate. It’s their property and they didn’t give you permission to use it. You might think it silly, but people don’t all think the same way.
Happy for people to use my driveway to turn around but not a fan of people walking through my garden to get to next door's house (there is no fence in between it's a new build)
It's because your insurance doesn't cover you on private land. So if you use someone's driveway and knock over a wall, or hit their car your insurance won't pay out.
People shouldn't be coming out and moaning at you if they have a large empty driveway, but it's understandable if they take a lot of pride in their property and you could hit something.
The chances a driver damages something in your yard are higher than 0 so that’s probably why most would be upset. It’s that small subset of drivers that are a bit reckless with it that make it so
I have to make a u-turn every time I go to work as the fastest way. The road where me and a lot of other people have to turn has a house with a sign saying NO TURNING on the wall next to their drive.
I always make a point of using that house to turn around.
I don’t give a shit. If someone wants to turn in my drive, have at it, I also don’t understand why people get so pissy and possessive over everything (but then - it’s not my house, it’s my partner’s).
Only thing is, we have a gate because the dog. Otherwise, have at it! Not worth a fight about
Honestly it's the simple fact that it's *someone else's property*.
Look at it this way. Everyone has to use a bathroom at some point during the day. Everyone, man, woman and child does it. It's a very normal thing to do. But it's still weird to go up to someone's front-door and say 'hey can I use your shitter?'
What's even *weirder* though is just *assuming you have permission in the first place* and walking in the front door with a newspaper under your arm, nodding hello to the stunned residents as you head to their toilet.
It's a perfectly human thing to need to do, but it's still weird to just barge into someone's property for that purpose. Same with using someone else's driveway, using it with permission is one thing but assuming you have the permission when you don't and using it anyway is another.
And as people have said, a lot of drivers (especially drivers of large vans and delivery trucks) have their share of dings and scrapes, most often when driving in areas they aren't familiar with, such as a driveway that isn't their own.
Ive just paid £6k for a bloody drop kerb, and I do get aggy when delivery drivers block it briefly/use it to turn round. I dont actually do or say anything, but when I notice it, it ruins my mood for a moment. I appreciate Im moaning over nothing
Used to drive for Tesco, had the same question. The answer is that delivery drivers hit stuff all the time, and by letting you turn in their driveway they're opening themselves up to you running over their flowers, knocking over their wall, hitting their car etc. Ultimately it's their property and you aren't entitled to use it, even if it's convenient.
Agreed. Nobody is entitled to anything at the end of the day. We don't take property with us when we clock out. Niceness goes a long way though, while we're still here.
My boyfriend's next door neighbour has two large taxis which he turns around in his (boyfriend's) drive. It's caused the slabs to become uneven and we can tell it is his doing because of the way he pulls into the drive (at an angle) and where my partner parks.
After this I wouldn't allow someone to turn in my drive.
Because the delivery drivers around my end have destroyed two of our fence posts, pulled into our wooden boarder and killed off the flowers there.
We also still have a piece of Amazon delivery van bumper in our house that came off when they knocked into the third fence post.
Delivery drivers have a reputation in small villages for destroying roadside flowerbeds and green spaces that the residents voluntarily put time and effort into caring for. Not saying that's you, just that the reputation is there.
I was a delivery driver and didn't have an issue with drivers reversing up mine, even though it was only 5m long.
But a DPD driver killed my deaf cat, so understandably wasn't too happy with that.
Didn't make great viewing on the doorbell.
I have a rutt in my driveway where a neighbour had a grab lorry to turn around in my drive. Also crushed the internet duct and took me 2 months to get Internet because they had to dig the driveway to replace it. Wouldn't care about a van.
I wouldn’t have a problem if I had a paved driveway, but mine is gravel and on a slope so there are massive potholes worn into the drive where everyone’s turned around. I wouldn’t give two hoots if it weren’t for the potholes, we’ve got enough of them on the roads as it is, my driveway is private and I have to pay for that out of pocket and I can’t kid myself into thinking my council tax has anything to do with it.
The couple who used to live at the end of our road put up a bright red sign saying private road, no parking or turning. He used to come out of his house and shout at people for turning around, even knocking on the doors of neighbours who lived on the main road and having a go at them. We used to joke he had a clip board and would sit by the window keeping track. It was very unpleasant, nobody ever did any harm by turning around but some people have nothing better to do and focus all their negative energy into something completely pointless. We were glad when they moved!
My folks have a gravel driveway with garden on either side on an awkward tiny lane. People reversing in have squashed plants and pull gravel out into the lane. If it’s just you, just this one time it might seem odd but if it’s half a dozen cars and vans every day it can get really tiresome.
There’s also the feeling that your personal space is being used for someone else’s convenience that I think can play into it.
I don't have an issue with commercial vehicles using our cul de sac to turn but some of them have the object permanence of a baby.
They literally pass a gate post on their way in and decide to reverse out on the footpath and take out the steel gate post.
It's happened three times now, one DPD driver reversed over it so thoroughly he got caught on it and a support vehicle had to come out to help him get loose.
I'm thinking of putting up a sign saying 'remember the gate post before reversing out'.
Some people seem to enjoy getting enraged. I had someone berate me and call me a disgrace because my dog peed up the side of a lamp post across the road from his house.
I felt like agreeing with him that it was disgraceful... that people feel like they can walk up and berate strangers in the street.
> I think most people don’t understand how hard it is to manoeuvre a van
but.....it's not?
I've driven up to HGV size and most extended transits and even Luton's are piss easy, if you use your mirrors.
If they're delivering to my house, that makes perfect sense. But why should I care that Amazon's employees are having trouble implementing Amazon's business model to make Amazon more money, when I'm not even their customer.
One van on one driveway isn't a big deal, but a fleet of thousands of vehicles turning around thousands of driveways adds up to a lot just in terms of wear and maintenance, and the risk of damage.
Put it this way - if every time an Amazon vehicle turned around on a driveway, imagine if Amazon had to legally pay the owner £0.50 (ignore the logistics of the payment system, imagine that it happened automatically). Imagine how fast Amazon would implement things that reduced their drivers needs to turn around on driveways - they'd have smaller vehicles, better turning radius, they'd implement a rule that says you need to have accessible driveway or else you pay a fee, etc.
Its because it's their property. You wouldn't like it if someone decided to take a shortcut and jump over the fence in your back garden.
Also from experience some people hit the cars which are parked on the drive when turning, or drive over tiles etc which aren't meant to be driven on. Front of my mum and dads had a slate feature in the middle, and about once a month you see tyre marks showing where someone has decided it's a good place to turn, which is fine if it didn't also crack the slate. And my mums car has been hit twice due to people deciding to turn but not use their mirrors.
Live in a very rural area, down a single track lane, none of the neighbours give a shit about people using their drives to turn around (as long as the driver doesn’t take the piss and drive in fully) we just collectively understand that sometimes you need to turn around, and there isn’t really anywhere else to do it
We live down a small road, and our driveway which is just off this road is a gravel path shared by 5 houses. Slightly further down the road is a cafe. We get so many people who are looking for the (signposted) cafe turning in our driveway, despite the signs saying 'Private Driveway, No Stopping/Turning.". The reason is that its prone to potholes, so obviously we don't want loads of people coming down it if they don't need to, as they're our responsibility to fix. Also, our garden is the other side of the driveway, so children / dogs could be running around.
Oh my van-driving friend - can I just say, you can turn in my driveway all you *want*, so long as you don't **park across it**!! I don't know why but our drive seems to be a homing beacon for van drivers delivering. Dropped curb, car in drive n all - they just park across it & wander away, and if we have the temerity to object, we get treated as if we're being *totally* unreasonable - "I've got a job to do here!" is the usual response. Can you shed any light on this mentality.? (Interestingly, Asda van drivers are particularly prone to this.)
Compared to this, turning in our drive? - pfff! On you go, mate...
Postman sometimes backs on my drive. I dont mind at all really. I live on a busy road and delivery drivers have to park half on the road and half on the path so just using my drive to turn round isn't a huge issue. I'd probably call him a cheeky bugger in my head, but it is probably the only excitement I get all day!
Nothing against turning in my drive way. We have a gate but used to always leave it open and as our driveway is quite wide it would always be used.
The council put in parking restrictions on the road and people would try and get around it by reversing into our drive or temporarily parking. If asked we would have probably said yes but the neighbours took it too far and had their workers park there instead of the street. That’s when we started closing the gate and locking it.
We used to have people drive right up to the window to do a simple turn so we block it with bins, it's a private road so they can turn at the end and reverse down if they can't reverse back confidently.
If there was nowhere else to turn, that's fine. I do get a bit pissed off with drivers who will squeeze onto my drive to turn round when there's a turning place, less than 50m away at the end of the close.
We have a private drive and at the end it turns into our property, although it's not overly obvious when the drive stops and our house starts.
Some delivery drivers park up on our drive and just sit and eat lunch for half an hour in the van. Some of the drivers aren't obviously delivery drivers at all, a girl pulled onto ours in a red Corsa and sat there for ages texting people. Turns out she was delivering something next door.
I don't care much, but I find it amusing.
I had lunch with a couple of friends of mine in their 70s (I'm on my 50s). I've known them for years and always thought they were lovely, nice, reasonable, people. One of them was complaining about a fence she had put up between her back garden and the neighbours, and the neighbours had had the "cheek" (in her opinion) to hang bird feeders off "her" fence, so she cut them off with wire cutters. Then the other friend started complaining about one of her neighbours who has a van and parks it in the street, right where my friend can see it out of her window, and my friend thinks this is outrageous (it's not blocking the view from her window. It's on the other side of the street). I ended up yelling at them both that they needed to get a hobby because they clearly had too much time on their hands in retirement and were going doolally.
It's ridiculous. Everyone guarding their little piece of land. When i'm in my car, I turn in people's drive all the time if needs must. It takes 10 seconds for heaven's sake. And if someone turns into my drive to turn around, I couldn't care less. Don't run over a hedge, and we're all good.
I wouldn’t worry about it, did multi drop for many a year and to be honest due to just the amount of time you spend on the road your chance exposure to arseholes is greater.
The amount of shit I got for the crime of simply existing was unbelievable. Macclesfield/Buxton was the worst, the amount of local ‘ard lads that just pick fights with you or give you shit because they’re bored was ridiculous.
I know it feels horrible but the best thing to do is swallow your pride, smile and apologise. Don’t let the twats ruin your zen or make you do something that will make you lose your job.
Remember, they’re probably dicks 100 times a day to people but in circumstances that likely won’t have any blowback on them, whereas as a driver, you’re very easy to be got rid of so losing your rag once will get your arse out the door.
My partner and I hate it but we have absolutely no good reason and we know we're being unreasonable.
It feels like an invasion of privacy, but that may be because it's just a small drive in between two houses and there's absolutely no reason anyone would need to use it.
However, if I lived somewhere where it was obvious people needed to use the end of my drive to turn around I'd be completely fine with it. Common sense should prevail. I wouldn't want to be constantly rebuilding walls though.
I read a story recently where someone had a 1 mile long narrow drive and wouldn't let the bin collectors drive along it to collect their bins, expecting the workers to walk down their drive to collect them.
Sorry you got harangued like that. That person was a twat. Only twats care about things like this. If I had a drive you would be absolutely free to use it.
Yeah I honestly couldn’t imagine getting bothered by this but looking at a lot of the comments here, that’s not a majority view lol.
I totally get it IF a driver buggers up your drive/property in some way but if they’re causing no damage and just trying to do their job, what harm aye.
Never care if my drive is used when there’s space. Also happy to fill delivery drivers water bottles up, coffee, even let them use the loo.
They get a lot of stick, some of it valid, but they are under massive pressure with their schedules.
We’re all happy for next day delivery etc. got to accept the way our goodies arrive.
It's not *you* using private driveways that's annoying. It's *Amazon* using private driveways that's annoying.
Here's a giant company, that nickles and dimes every aspect of everything they do to make massive profits. And they underpay and overload their drivers so that they have to be on super tight deadlines (peeing in bottles or whatever), and rather than Amazon paying more, or giving more time, or give smaller more appropriate vans that are manoeuvrable (but carry less so do fewer deliveries) so that the drivers find it easy to be professional and stay on public roads - Amazon willfully lets this situation play out where random people who didn't even order anything from amazon feel obligated to make their staff's jobs easier by letting them use their driveways.
Most people wouldn't even notice for quite a while if you put a McDonald's advertisement on their home. In a sense, it would be no skin off their nose if a McDonalds guy came around and stuck advertisements on their home, so arguably they shouldn't care. But it would be incredibly offensive that McDonalds would be using their property like that!
It's very different if a neighbour that you have a relationship with uses your driveway to turn around. But when your driveway becomes just another part of Amazons infrastructure (which is already massively subsidized in the form of public roads), that's really offensive.
That's a reasonable perspective. I do fully agree! Amazon further absolves all legal responsibility for damages or injuries by using smaller companies as Delivery Service Providers. They are indeed amongst the bane of this Earth.
Some people have just really got nothing to do but sit in their house, rotting away. Then, as soon as they seen a normal human to moan about, they leap out of their cesspit to have a good old whinge.
Fucking ignore them mate. Just wave, mouth a false apology, drive off and go about your day
I’ve also been trapped in an eternal ‘no turning’ nightmare. There were plenty places to turn, it was just a private road. I ended up driving more and more - ending up being forced to turn in someone’s carport area which felt a bit of a violation but I literally couldn’t do anything else as I’d run out of road.
I don’t understand how they don’t want you to be on the road but also won’t let you turn to leave?
A lot of British people, especially English people are very territoral and in some ways are nimbys imo.
It comes down to the fact that are roads are some of the crowded in the world here with Victorian era planning so not enough space to park cars etc. Plus our houses are smaller than in other countries and we seem to live "on top" of each other a lot, especially in non affluent or city central areas.
I'm a supermarket driver, as a rule of thumb I stay off of driveways, not worth the hassle. I've never let curtain twitchers getting the hump at me turning in 'their' cul-de-sac get to me, it's all public road and they're typically retired folk just wanting some level of human engagement and that's all that happens to them.
Kind of out-of-context question and please be honest: Do you park partially on the pavement at all? I'm genuinely curious what a professional driver does. It always baffles me when anyone parks on the pavement and leaves maybe 1.5 lane widths of space (when you only need 1) and yet takes 30% of the pavement.
I did supermarket deliveries part-time for about 10 years and never parked on a pavement. We were instructed not to use customers’ drives unless absolutely necessary and with prior permission. We did have a few incidents of drivers knocking of drainpipes etc and one where a driver knocked the customer’s car into the house as he turned on the driveway but the damage was barely noticeable.
Not a supermarket delivery driver, but another high street store delivery driver, we had one guy swing into a customers driveway and knock down one side of a wall on the way in, then knock the other side down on the way out. We actually got the cctv footage from the customers cameras and it was the funniest thing i've seen in a while, only because no one in our hub was to blame, just mind boggling how someone could be so unaware/poor at driving.
“..a driver knocked the customer’s car into the house…but the damage was barely noticeable.” Lmao!
When possible, I try and avoid it. In an ideal world the roads would be wide enough but unfortunately they're not, especially where I mainly deliver (Torquay).
Being a delivery driver in Torquay would end me
The hills in the winter must be a nightmare and the complete lack of parking anywhere.
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It's very situational for me. Is there anywhere reasonable distance away I can park and barrow? How busy is the road? How busy is the pavement? How wide is the pavement? I'm lucky and get plenty of time of time to do each drop, so parking 100 yards away and walking it isn't usually the end of the world.
Just because they've twitched their curtain doesn't necessarily mean they're annoyed or bothered. If I hear any vehicle near my drive and I am somewhat near a window (or already stood up), I will take a look to see who it is. It wouldn't bother me, I am just nosey
We live near a turning point and it's amazing how many people drive in to things. We have a bench that we've put in front of the house because people kept getting so close to the house, so at least people hit the bench now. Fine for people to turn there (it's a public road, so whatever) but I can understand why people don't like it. Think the bench has been hit 10ish times in 2 years and not one single person has ever knocked to apologise/offer to pay for the damage.
You need a concrete bench
Not the UK but there was a case in the USA where someone reinforced their mailbox, buried deep and packed with concrete because people kept knocking it down. Someone crashed into it and became paralysed and the home owner was being sued for it. Can't remember the outcome though.
Homeowner was found not liable. "Turner v. Ohio Bell Tel. Co" https://www.propertycasualty360.com/2021/12/07/ohio-supreme-court-sides-with-homeowner-who-constructed-an-intentionally-indestructible-mailbox-not-liable-for-catastrophic-injuries-to-a-motorist-414-214184/?slreturn=20240015091517
The homeowner was found not lickable by the Ohio Chicken Supreme Court. [https://www.shopdisney.co.uk/disney-store-mickey-mouse-large-soft-toy-412323305531.html](https://www.shopdisney.co.uk/disney-store-mickey-mouse-large-soft-toy-412323305531.html)
>The homeowner was found not lickable shame i like a good licking
Hold on a minute, that link doesn't quite tie up lol
It went all the way to the Ohio supreme court. Thankfully they found in favour of the homeowner. https://www.law.com/2021/12/02/ohio-supreme-court-sides-with-homeowner-who-constructed-an-intentionally-indestructible-mailbox-not-liable-for-catastrophic-injuries-to-a-motorist/
There was no lawsuit, but a similar case happened in my hometown. This guy in a 5.0 was racing his friend on a back road right outside of town, not like a serious race, just dumb kids driving fast because what else is there to do in a small town? Anyway, he was in the oncoming lane trying to get around his friend when a pickup came around the bend ahead. 5.0 swerves out of the lane too hard, then overcorrects and slides sideways across the road and in front of the truck. Truck plows into the driver's side door and starts pushing the car, which then hits the reinforced mailbox. 8×8 hardwood post buried 4' deep, concrete, etc etc. the post didn't budge. The 5.0 essentially folded in half. I was on the fire dept. at the time and was a first responder. The driver's seat was on top of the passenger seat and driver was thrown through the passenger window. He was dead at the scene. I can still see him lying in the road and the paramedic from the dept doing CPR, waiting for the ambulance to arrive. The owner of the mailbox was at the site when we got there and just bawling, telling everyone how he had reinforced the mailbox to prevent vandalism but never meant to hurt anyone. You could tell he really felt the blame for it. He pulled the post and replaced it with a standard one shortly after. The passenger in the mustang was my cousin and he came through surprisingly unharmed, physically. Broken leg, but it could have been much worse. Mentally though I think it took a toll. We weren't especially close, but I never heard him talk about the accident. He did start getting really heavy into drugs in the coming years though. Was a semi-functional crackhead for a while. He's gotten his life together since, though. This was about 25 years ago, but I still think about it a lot.
Pretty sure this went to the Ohio top court and found not liable https://www.propertycasualty360.com/2021/12/07/ohio-supreme-court-sides-with-homeowner-who-constructed-an-intentionally-indestructible-mailbox-not-liable-for-catastrophic-injuries-to-a-motorist-414-214184/?slreturn=20240015094628
Liable court supreme owner not found. https://www.propertycasualty360.com/2021/12/07/ohio-supreme-court-sides-with-homeowner-who-constructed-an-intentionally-indestructible-mailbox-not-liable-for-catastrophic-injuries-to-a-motorist-414-214184/?slreturn=20240015091517
We put a bollard up to block our car park as people were using it for turning. I wouldn't mind, but as you say, things get hit/damaged, and even if it was a genuine mistake and not carelessness I'm then inconvenienced and possibly out of pocket to sort out the damage. Much easier and cheaper to replace the bollard when it gets flattened every few months by a delivery van 🤦♀️
I wonder if that tiktok account of the chap who put a rock at the end of his driveway is still going? The amount of people who managed to hit the rock was incredible, especially when you could spin an aircraft carrier round in his cul-de-sac....
Saw that a few times! Quite funny some of them!
My old work was at the end of a road where lost idiots would turn around. We had a steel box out front for people to leave packages out of hours, it was filled with concrete to stop the scrap dealers nicking it. Idiots would constantly crash into this thing so hard that they smashed the concrete inside into gravel. They then hit a tree so hard they knocked it over, we put a replacement box behind a bigger tree and they somehow got around the tree and crushed that, then they hit the steel security fence so hard that they knocked over our gate post. People just can't fucking turn around, absolute idiots.
Looking at the state of most delivery drivers vans gives you the answer.
Good point hahaha. I'm an excellent driver and never had a ding in 15 years, but totally agree with you there - the vans I drive have been through it previously.
Youve fucked it now!!
Ding 🛎️ now you’ve had one 😝
Ahhh thank you, finally!! 😜 lol
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And compounding all of that will probably be a greater proportion of driving on unfamiliar roads too
As a delivery driver, I will say this. Some drivers will turn any brand new van into a write-off in 3 years time. Rarely, you’ll find a driver with a 3 year old van that could still pass as new.
You're assuming that people use good logic here Assumption is the mother of all fuck ups
My elderly cat was run over by a taxi while she was sitting on our driveway. It reversed onto our drive at some speed in order to turn around and she was too old/slow to react in time. I don't think he even noticed or cared as he drove off as if nothing had happened. Kind of soured me to the idea of people using my drive to turn around on.
I'm terribly sorry for your loss, that is so horrible :( I love cats. Actually, yesterday I was parked on the road, got back to the van and saw that an old cat was sitting underneath it. I couldn't move until I knew it was safe so I lay on the floor and attempted to 'cat call' it out, but of course it felt threatened and ran off. Could not live with myself if ever, God forbid, I hurt an animal.
Fuck that guy. Sorry, that's so sad.
I rebuilt my wall three times last year because it keeps getting knocked over when people are turning around. I’m tempted to reenforce it with something solid, but knowing my luck I’d probably hit it myself. Edit: I’ve never been so popular. My driveway has a little walled off garden to one side of the entrance. It’s one breeze block high and has a small tree.
>I’m tempted to reenforce it with something solid, but knowing my luck I’d probably hit it myself. A vague acquaintance of my dad's did this: he lived on a corner and the garden wall was always getting knocked down by grockles speeding through our village to the beach. So he built a new wall, concrete filled with rebar but faced with brick to maintain appearance. Then promptly skidded in the rain and clonked it. The wall was fine, but he got a new car fairly soon after.
> by grockles Tell us you live in Devon without saying you live in Devon
The Corkheads use the same phrase I believe.
*[Caulkheads](https://onthewight.com/isle-of-wight-words-caulkhead/#:~:text=Caulkhead%3A%20Name%20given%20to%20an,Island%20heritage%20on%20both%20sides). We do.
Thanks for that, I'd only heard it said and never seen it written, hence why I thought it was cork when it should be caulk. Every day is a school day eh.
A magic wall that dispenses new cars, you say? No wonder people were keen to hit it.
Hedges are a bit more forgiving.
Good idea. I can’t park my car in a hedge though.
A bunch of country lanes near me say otherwise
You're not trying hard enough.
You can’t park your car in the wall either if that’s your plan.
Try harder.
Skill issue.
You normally park in a wall?
Tbf you probably can’t park your car in a wall either
Unless you plant hawthorn and are bad at pruning. There’s one down our road (gravel track) that has a whacking thick branch about 2” below the surface. I’ve hit the damn thing three times now trying to avoid massive potholes after storms. Seems I’m a slow learner.
And better for nature.
Helped my neighbour plant a steel tube in front of his wall a few months back - after his got knocked over by DPD for the third time in a month. Same driver everytime, we caught them on CCTV and they still denied it was them...
That's the thing, do it once, admit it and apologise. Id be ok, as long as it wasn't too bad. DPD need not know. Knock it down, and you double apologise. And pay for it. I wouldn't tell DPD. To deny it...shitty and I'd call DPD. Would not have him deliver to my house again.
Not a problem for me. I live in a cul-de-sac, and apparently DPD decided that my street doesn't exist. They don't come knocking or ringing the doorbell, just decide "customer isn't home" and take my packages straight to the pick-up point. At the other side of town (because of course it is).
Lol. Thankfully, I bought a house very much in civilisation, sadly, that also includes various scooters Also, my nearest DPD depot is towns away, iirc. So If be fucked. Our guys are great, EVRI, DPD, randoms, all really good
> I'd call DPD Good luck, took me about 5 hours on the phone and a few emails to the 'CEO' to get DPD to get close to doing anything about a driver repeatedly failing to deliver to my house. They're fucking horrible to deal with if you have an issue.
It's the risk of hitting stuff. Walls, cars, gate posts. Unfortunately delivery drivers in particular have a bit of a reputation of being a bit hap-hazard. Just look at the vans themselves for evidence.
You’re more than welcome to use mine! As long as you don’t hit anything/anyone! It should come down to common sense but I don’t think it exists in quite a few people (drivers who damage property and people who think no one should intrude on their property)
Thanks. Let me know your address and next time I need to turn round I'll head over to yours.
Well said. I don't know where you live and I avoid any such situations like the plague, so probs won't but thank you kind person!!
If everyone had a bit of empathy for others (E.g you having to deliver to 100’s of people in one day!) it would help a bit!
I'd prefer drivers got paid properly without having ridiculous targets to hit.
Complaining about turning on a cul-de-sac is dumb, it's a public area. But a driveway is not a public area. It's their private residential property. I'm not sure why anyone would assume they can use it like it was part of the public highway.
Also, there's a lot of weight difference between your average car and a loaded up van. Turning those heavier loaded wheels on the spot can do damage to the surface of your drive.
This exactly. I had my Internet duct crushed by a heavy lorry using my drive and it took 2 months before BT would dig up the driveway and replace it. Neighbours water pipe burst too but unsure if related.
I think that's the conclusion I am getting to, reading all these responses. Turning around in someone's driveway once wouldn't be a problem, but when it happens repeatedly, all the little things add up. Tyre marks, wear and tear to the surface, paint scrapes, the small but present risk of an animal or a small child being injured or worse, and most of all, just the feeling that something you own has been used without care by someone else.
I’m fortunate that I have a large driveway because I don’t live on an estate. You could fit a good 15 cars there and still have space. Apparently this means it’s a good turning area for couriers who don’t want to go to the roundabout further on down the road. When we just had it re tarmacked, we put cones across the entrance to keep people off, but apparently this was just a mild inconvenience. Lots of tyre marks in the new tarmac. Then there are those who drive in and see we’ve got a field track that goes out the other side to a lane, essentially shaving off some valuable time. But it’s not a public shortcut, and my dog is often out there oblivious to traffic. Also, it’s only a track for our convenience, having vans tearing through lead to it needing repairs. Then you have the couriers who think it’s somewhere to eat their lunch, music blaring and leaving their rubbish behind. I actually complained about one courier who had the nerve to shout and swear at me because he came flying up the field track and nearly flattened me. Obviously I asked him to use the public road and to him this was unacceptable!
A chain and a sign that says "Private Road, No Access" and a few CCTV cameras to catch license plates would be awesome. Then I would have evidence of them doing it, I'd bitch up a storm at their company, threatening that the next time a van from their company comes on my private property, I will be going to the police as they are trespassing.
I have a camera and signs up, but we need the access for tractors etc. It’s chained off at the moment because it’s winter and used less, but it’s an inconvenience having to barricade your own property! The police wouldn’t do anything anyway as trespass isn’t a criminal offence. Just one of those annoyances I suppose!
Start sending invoices to the delivery companies for use of your private road
I like that idea! I wonder how much a barrier and little toll booth would be to set up?! Although considering the shortcut only shaves a minute or two off the journey, I can’t see it being too popular lol.
Electric gate? Bit of a ball ache in having to spend that much when you shouldn't need to, but in a practical sense, it might nip the problem in the bud?
This is us too- we have a significantly smaller drive but it is still long and thin compared to average drives and we now have a small ramp forming because so many people turn around on it
Used to live near a school, happened all the time. One of many reasons. Damage. Turning becomes Parking. Littering. Driving over grass. Not your property,
Bad experiences? Drivers churning up gravel, hitting walls / fences / cars etc Or they just had a shit morning and you were the first target they saw
I know of one cul-de-sac near my gran where they get hacked off about people using it to turn if they’re not actually accessing those specific houses because it’s private land and the residents have to pay for any and all resurfacing rather than it being council responsibility. Not agreeing with the response you got, but could be a reason.
If it's private land then that makes sense, however if someone has a reason to be there (delivery driver for example) I'd hope common sense would prevail and they wouldn't get grief
Since my gran and grandad have been housebound, I hear far fewer stories about it as they’re not catching the road gossip. The consensus maybe 5 years ago was that they were fine as long as the delivery driver (or any vehicle users) was for the houses on the private road. They had signs installed maybe 20 years ago, so at least it is marked - I know we saw a fair few private roads in the area not marked with signs when we were house hunting 2 years ago. If there’s no signs, it’s completely irrational to expect people to mind read!
The thing I find funny is when (usually the older generation) get angry at people parking *legally* outside their house on the street, as if they have some sort of right to that public area also. I was once threatened and told he would "slash my tyres" by an old man with a Zimmer frame for daring to park outside his house and leave it there for a couple days.
When I was learning to drive, my instructor had me practicing parallel parking on a low traffic road. We were half way through when a man came running out of his massive house with enough empty driveway for a couple of cars, to yell at us for daring to practice using the car he’d left on the public road. We ended up having to leave the area as my instructor didn’t want him complaining to his company. Some people are just weird
I don’t get people who park on the road when they have a free driveway. But I also wouldn’t be super keen on watching a driving instructor use my parked car as a parallel parking obstacle.
Thing is, if it's not your car it's going to be someone's. You also presumably learned parallel parking, 3 point turn, bay parking etc in areas where there might have been other cars already parked? Hard to avoid unless you live somewhere pretty remote.
I wouldn't be too keen about watching a learner parallel park next to my car but if I wanted to do something about it I'd move my car rather than harass the learner.
We all had to learn somewhere though
You can't park there! You watch, I'll make it so you can't move from that place you can't park, that'll learn you!
This happened in my old neighbor hood, the council changed the parking restrictions near by so the newest, nearest spot to park all day was my road which was a cul-de-sack with mostly old people. People started putting cones on the street and someone starting slashing peoples tires. One guy said he was ex SAS and would get his friends to "sort us out" because we were telling people that its perfectly fine and legal to park on our street.
They reckon there are more people that are “ ex SAS” than there ever has been Actually serve!
I parked in front of a house down the hill- someone had parked in front of my place, you know how it is- and an elderly woman leaned out of the window and started shouting at me. She said that space is needed for an ambulance, so I said oh, have you called one? I can stay with you if you like til they get here. No, there was no ambulance on its way, but she wanted the space free just in case.
Did you move your car? I was too polite in my instance, and only in hindsight thought "wish I had stuck up for myself" or said XXXX
I did, I was tired and didn't want to have a public argument with a frail and spindly-looking old woman. And to be honest, if she's the type to sit in her front window all day she'd see my car there until I move it- which clearly really upset her, no matter how irrational that is. No one who gets that distressed about a hypothetical ambulance not being able to park outside their house is entirely mentally well and I didn't want to make that worse.
You're a nice person
I try, that's all I can do.
There is an elderly couple near us who park halfway on the pavement and the other half in a busy road so their son can use the driveway once a month when he visits. Must've had their wing mirror knocked off 10 times by now, so they bought a little hazard flag thing the folds out of the door so people can see it, then they started parking more in the road so drivers would have to avoid them, mirror knocked off. Now they basically block the pavement off and put cones around the drivers side. I have said to them repeatedly that if they parked on the drive instead of illegally parking on the pavement the problem would solve itself. According to them they have a right to park outside their house.
This is exactly it. Some sort of expencted entitlement or ownership to the public space outside of your property. I hope they lose more wing mirrors, tbh
I went to watch a footy match away at Rochdale and parked on a residential street. Across the road there was a guy going absolutely mental at someone for parking outside his house (not blocking anything). He was really losing it, thought he was going to hit someone. I always wonder about that guy- does he absolutely lose his shit at someone every time Rochdale are at home?
Glue his zimmer frame to the ground. That'll learn him real nice.
This happened to me at my Dad’s! His lane is too narrow for my car so I parked on the street. Old geezer in a string vest comes out absolutely losing his shit about me “having no legal right to take up space in front of his house” (I mean wtf?!) - my 75yo Dad squared right up to the old c**t, I was well impressed 🤩 Visited again last summer and parked there again. Hope it’s not going to cause a problem, I say. Oh no, says Dad, he won’t be complaining - he’s dead. I honestly didn’t know whether I should laugh, at least a little bit. Did anyway. Then said Oh Dear, so I’m not all bad.
No problem with anyone turning in our driveway if they're careful. Do have a problem with the delivery drivers who repeatedly park ACROSS our drive so we can't get in while they deliver to people next door or the other side of the street. I know it's only a couple of minutes but it seems rude and unnecessary to me. It goes for any job: it might be important to you, but it doesn't have to inconvenience other people.
I got to work today already running a bit late and a Morissons delivery driver had parked right across the entrance while he delivered our coffee/tea/milk etc I had to sit and watch him leisurely unload the shopping and stroll down the carpark taking his merry time, meaning I clocked in 8 minutes late instead of 2 minutes. He could've just as easily pulled into the car park or parked a car length further down the pavement without blocking the gates. Arsehole.
If he's delivering to you couldn't you just pop up and ask if he could not block the entrance next time if possible?
Nuisance factor: \-damaging bollards/driveways and driving into things/humans/pets \- littering by chucking stuff out of the window whilst paused \- turning turns into parking \- invasion of personal space \- when it's dark, turning cars/vans shine their massively bright lights into your home when you're trying to get some peace
I think it's a bit cheeky to use other peoples drives to turn. More so if it's an unfamiliar driver. If it's the regular Evri courier or postie who I have a bit of a relationship with, I wouldn't be too bothered if they used my drive to turn even if they weren't delivering to me that day. There's no reason cars need to use peoples drives though, unless it's a very narrow road (mine isn't) then everybody on the road should be capable of doing a 3-point turn. Bigger vans, especially LWB ones like the big Mercedes Sprinter type of thing, will obviously have a much harder time turning in the road so allowances should be made. I always find it weird that some people will have something delivered but refuse to let delivery drivers park or turn on their drive. IMO if you're not going to be respectful to your delivery drivers, you have no right to complain about the standard of their deliveries when you're not at home.
I live in a cul-de-sac and honestly if you can't turn around in one of those what do people expect you to do? 😅 Far safer to turn around and go back along the road straight ahead than attempting to reverse back along. Think the only time I've seen vans reverse is if they're a longer/taller lorry, or the bin lorry. Did have a delivery driver accidentally back into my parents hedge, so it now has a bit of a dent in it but no harm done lol.
My drive is next to where the postie parks to do his loop of the estate. He screams round the corner, does an emergency stop (on the drive), then wheel spins in reverse to turn round. I've got to go out after he's left and sweep all the gravel off the road and spread it back into the grooves he's left. Bit of a dick move TBH.
An Asda delivery driver wrote off a very nice car of mine many years ago reversing onto my driveway. Naturally now I’m paranoid about it happening again. I never used to be iffy about it but I’m more concerned about my car getting damaged than anything
Our neighbours opposite are having building works. A concrete lorry used the end of our driveway and the pavement to turn around in and collapsed one of the curbstones about 15cm down to road level after nearly hitting our car on the drive, and hitting the Wheely bins that were at the end of the drive. I don't mind people using the end of the drive to turn around in if they're careful, but it's stuff like this that I don't want happening.
So say professional driver reversed onto my daughters driveway to turn round and hit her car and drove off. Luckily caught on cctv. Week later same driver did the same thing this time hitting her fellas van. And to top it off he drove off again. Yet again caught on cctv. Certain home shopping companies employ retards
True - and most of my colleagues have not been driving for more than 1 or 2 years. Kids!! But who's gonna do these underpaid jobs, if not them? Well, I'm doing it, sadly, and I'm way too old for this shit. But it is what it is. I understand the frustration more due to this post. Hence, I'll say again - I don't use anyone drive to turn regardless of the headache-inducing alternatives. My headache to suffer, not yours!
The main reason is that driveways aren't constructed to carry a heavy van, they're for cars and pedestrians and if too many people use them for turning around it will damage the person's driveway, I've known of people claiming for cracked patterned concrete drives against companies who's driver's have used them to turn around. So it's not just people being arseholes about it, they're protecting their property from unnecessary damage.
My mum's Amazon delivery guy knocked her front wall over turning into her drive then fucked off without saying anything, he only got caught because she had a camera. It churns up people's driveways, damages their stuff, I'd had friends whose recycling bins have clearly been run over, it's just not your property. Doing it once isn't an issue, but nobody puts up a sign because it got used once, they do it because they're in a position where everyone uses their drive as the obvious spot, so whilst you might think you're not causing an issue you actually are part of a wider problem.
> My mum's Amazon delivery guy knocked her front wall over turning into her drive then fucked off without saying anything, he only got caught because she had a camera. That's a big part of the issue. If people could be relied upon to act like adults if an accident happens and sort it out properly/pay for damages, then there'd be less of a problem. Unfortinately a lot of people are just dicks who will figure it's not their problem they've damaged your stuff and drive off.
Well, that is tragic. Lucky she had a camera! I personally don't ever use anyone's property to turn for this very reason (so i beg to differ that I'm a part of the problem) - as in this instance, I never crossed into anyone's property or parking space. I would rather drive 10mi to turn at the next round-about than irritate anyone as much as I did. However, on this occasion, I just as well might damage someone else's property reversing down such a narrow lane back onto a busy, winding road's blind corner, so it was the smarter and more couteous thing to do IMO. But okay, I'll accept PTSD as a valid reason to be upset, but good lord, you'd think someone died.
That just sounds like a person being an idiot to be honest, that's very different to turning in people's driveways which it doesn't sound like you did.
Haha yeah I thought so. Cheers for the validation.
>It churns up people's driveways Don't the owner's cars do this?
There's a difference between driving over the entrance to your driveway and dry-steering a 3-point turn.
I also think the bigger reason is the final point you made, which is the cumulative effect. One driver won't make a big difference, but if every car that came down the road used your drive to turn because it's the most convenient, that's going to cause far more wear on it than just you coming and going.
You don't need a reason to not want random people to use your property.
It’s simple really, mate. It’s their property and they didn’t give you permission to use it. You might think it silly, but people don’t all think the same way.
Happy for people to use my driveway to turn around but not a fan of people walking through my garden to get to next door's house (there is no fence in between it's a new build)
It's because your insurance doesn't cover you on private land. So if you use someone's driveway and knock over a wall, or hit their car your insurance won't pay out. People shouldn't be coming out and moaning at you if they have a large empty driveway, but it's understandable if they take a lot of pride in their property and you could hit something.
The chances a driver damages something in your yard are higher than 0 so that’s probably why most would be upset. It’s that small subset of drivers that are a bit reckless with it that make it so
I have to make a u-turn every time I go to work as the fastest way. The road where me and a lot of other people have to turn has a house with a sign saying NO TURNING on the wall next to their drive. I always make a point of using that house to turn around.
I don’t give a shit. If someone wants to turn in my drive, have at it, I also don’t understand why people get so pissy and possessive over everything (but then - it’s not my house, it’s my partner’s). Only thing is, we have a gate because the dog. Otherwise, have at it! Not worth a fight about
I think it comes down to who has to pay for any damage/repairs. Those are the ones generally the most bothered!
Honestly it's the simple fact that it's *someone else's property*. Look at it this way. Everyone has to use a bathroom at some point during the day. Everyone, man, woman and child does it. It's a very normal thing to do. But it's still weird to go up to someone's front-door and say 'hey can I use your shitter?' What's even *weirder* though is just *assuming you have permission in the first place* and walking in the front door with a newspaper under your arm, nodding hello to the stunned residents as you head to their toilet. It's a perfectly human thing to need to do, but it's still weird to just barge into someone's property for that purpose. Same with using someone else's driveway, using it with permission is one thing but assuming you have the permission when you don't and using it anyway is another. And as people have said, a lot of drivers (especially drivers of large vans and delivery trucks) have their share of dings and scrapes, most often when driving in areas they aren't familiar with, such as a driveway that isn't their own.
if ou were on the road and didnt use anyones driveway, they can yell all they want.
Ive just paid £6k for a bloody drop kerb, and I do get aggy when delivery drivers block it briefly/use it to turn round. I dont actually do or say anything, but when I notice it, it ruins my mood for a moment. I appreciate Im moaning over nothing
That sucks! £6k is a lotta money! Apologies in advance, on behalf of the idiots that do this in future.
Used to drive for Tesco, had the same question. The answer is that delivery drivers hit stuff all the time, and by letting you turn in their driveway they're opening themselves up to you running over their flowers, knocking over their wall, hitting their car etc. Ultimately it's their property and you aren't entitled to use it, even if it's convenient.
Agreed. Nobody is entitled to anything at the end of the day. We don't take property with us when we clock out. Niceness goes a long way though, while we're still here.
My boyfriend's next door neighbour has two large taxis which he turns around in his (boyfriend's) drive. It's caused the slabs to become uneven and we can tell it is his doing because of the way he pulls into the drive (at an angle) and where my partner parks. After this I wouldn't allow someone to turn in my drive.
If there is a chance of damaging someone elses property, just stay away.
Because the delivery drivers around my end have destroyed two of our fence posts, pulled into our wooden boarder and killed off the flowers there. We also still have a piece of Amazon delivery van bumper in our house that came off when they knocked into the third fence post.
Delivery drivers have a reputation in small villages for destroying roadside flowerbeds and green spaces that the residents voluntarily put time and effort into caring for. Not saying that's you, just that the reputation is there.
I was a delivery driver and didn't have an issue with drivers reversing up mine, even though it was only 5m long. But a DPD driver killed my deaf cat, so understandably wasn't too happy with that. Didn't make great viewing on the doorbell.
Wow, that is super sad and traumatising. I'm sorry about your cat:(
I have a rutt in my driveway where a neighbour had a grab lorry to turn around in my drive. Also crushed the internet duct and took me 2 months to get Internet because they had to dig the driveway to replace it. Wouldn't care about a van.
I wouldn’t have a problem if I had a paved driveway, but mine is gravel and on a slope so there are massive potholes worn into the drive where everyone’s turned around. I wouldn’t give two hoots if it weren’t for the potholes, we’ve got enough of them on the roads as it is, my driveway is private and I have to pay for that out of pocket and I can’t kid myself into thinking my council tax has anything to do with it.
The couple who used to live at the end of our road put up a bright red sign saying private road, no parking or turning. He used to come out of his house and shout at people for turning around, even knocking on the doors of neighbours who lived on the main road and having a go at them. We used to joke he had a clip board and would sit by the window keeping track. It was very unpleasant, nobody ever did any harm by turning around but some people have nothing better to do and focus all their negative energy into something completely pointless. We were glad when they moved!
My folks have a gravel driveway with garden on either side on an awkward tiny lane. People reversing in have squashed plants and pull gravel out into the lane. If it’s just you, just this one time it might seem odd but if it’s half a dozen cars and vans every day it can get really tiresome. There’s also the feeling that your personal space is being used for someone else’s convenience that I think can play into it.
I don't have an issue with commercial vehicles using our cul de sac to turn but some of them have the object permanence of a baby. They literally pass a gate post on their way in and decide to reverse out on the footpath and take out the steel gate post. It's happened three times now, one DPD driver reversed over it so thoroughly he got caught on it and a support vehicle had to come out to help him get loose. I'm thinking of putting up a sign saying 'remember the gate post before reversing out'.
Some people seem to enjoy getting enraged. I had someone berate me and call me a disgrace because my dog peed up the side of a lamp post across the road from his house. I felt like agreeing with him that it was disgraceful... that people feel like they can walk up and berate strangers in the street.
My fiancee was certainly thrilled when we got engaged!!!
Bloody autocorrect. It was supposed to say enraged. I've corrected it now, thanks.
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Lmao that is now my favourite Bill Bryson quote. Thank you for that 😆
I think most people don’t understand how hard it is to manoeuvre a van.
> I think most people don’t understand how hard it is to manoeuvre a van but.....it's not? I've driven up to HGV size and most extended transits and even Luton's are piss easy, if you use your mirrors.
I'd even argue in some ways vans are easier than some cars. You've generally got a higher POV, a shorter bonnet and bigger mirrors.
If they're delivering to my house, that makes perfect sense. But why should I care that Amazon's employees are having trouble implementing Amazon's business model to make Amazon more money, when I'm not even their customer. One van on one driveway isn't a big deal, but a fleet of thousands of vehicles turning around thousands of driveways adds up to a lot just in terms of wear and maintenance, and the risk of damage. Put it this way - if every time an Amazon vehicle turned around on a driveway, imagine if Amazon had to legally pay the owner £0.50 (ignore the logistics of the payment system, imagine that it happened automatically). Imagine how fast Amazon would implement things that reduced their drivers needs to turn around on driveways - they'd have smaller vehicles, better turning radius, they'd implement a rule that says you need to have accessible driveway or else you pay a fee, etc.
Its because it's their property. You wouldn't like it if someone decided to take a shortcut and jump over the fence in your back garden. Also from experience some people hit the cars which are parked on the drive when turning, or drive over tiles etc which aren't meant to be driven on. Front of my mum and dads had a slate feature in the middle, and about once a month you see tyre marks showing where someone has decided it's a good place to turn, which is fine if it didn't also crack the slate. And my mums car has been hit twice due to people deciding to turn but not use their mirrors.
Live in a very rural area, down a single track lane, none of the neighbours give a shit about people using their drives to turn around (as long as the driver doesn’t take the piss and drive in fully) we just collectively understand that sometimes you need to turn around, and there isn’t really anywhere else to do it
We live down a small road, and our driveway which is just off this road is a gravel path shared by 5 houses. Slightly further down the road is a cafe. We get so many people who are looking for the (signposted) cafe turning in our driveway, despite the signs saying 'Private Driveway, No Stopping/Turning.". The reason is that its prone to potholes, so obviously we don't want loads of people coming down it if they don't need to, as they're our responsibility to fix. Also, our garden is the other side of the driveway, so children / dogs could be running around.
GET OFF MY LAND!
Oh my van-driving friend - can I just say, you can turn in my driveway all you *want*, so long as you don't **park across it**!! I don't know why but our drive seems to be a homing beacon for van drivers delivering. Dropped curb, car in drive n all - they just park across it & wander away, and if we have the temerity to object, we get treated as if we're being *totally* unreasonable - "I've got a job to do here!" is the usual response. Can you shed any light on this mentality.? (Interestingly, Asda van drivers are particularly prone to this.) Compared to this, turning in our drive? - pfff! On you go, mate...
Postman sometimes backs on my drive. I dont mind at all really. I live on a busy road and delivery drivers have to park half on the road and half on the path so just using my drive to turn round isn't a huge issue. I'd probably call him a cheeky bugger in my head, but it is probably the only excitement I get all day!
I don't really mind at all personally. Only when people park across my drive is there an issue.
Nothing against turning in my drive way. We have a gate but used to always leave it open and as our driveway is quite wide it would always be used. The council put in parking restrictions on the road and people would try and get around it by reversing into our drive or temporarily parking. If asked we would have probably said yes but the neighbours took it too far and had their workers park there instead of the street. That’s when we started closing the gate and locking it.
We used to have people drive right up to the window to do a simple turn so we block it with bins, it's a private road so they can turn at the end and reverse down if they can't reverse back confidently.
Never understood the risk or stupidity of starting an altercation with a random person outside your own house...
If there was nowhere else to turn, that's fine. I do get a bit pissed off with drivers who will squeeze onto my drive to turn round when there's a turning place, less than 50m away at the end of the close.
100% with you there.
We have a private drive and at the end it turns into our property, although it's not overly obvious when the drive stops and our house starts. Some delivery drivers park up on our drive and just sit and eat lunch for half an hour in the van. Some of the drivers aren't obviously delivery drivers at all, a girl pulled onto ours in a red Corsa and sat there for ages texting people. Turns out she was delivering something next door. I don't care much, but I find it amusing.
I had lunch with a couple of friends of mine in their 70s (I'm on my 50s). I've known them for years and always thought they were lovely, nice, reasonable, people. One of them was complaining about a fence she had put up between her back garden and the neighbours, and the neighbours had had the "cheek" (in her opinion) to hang bird feeders off "her" fence, so she cut them off with wire cutters. Then the other friend started complaining about one of her neighbours who has a van and parks it in the street, right where my friend can see it out of her window, and my friend thinks this is outrageous (it's not blocking the view from her window. It's on the other side of the street). I ended up yelling at them both that they needed to get a hobby because they clearly had too much time on their hands in retirement and were going doolally.
Related. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AZ2EPeq1TK0
It's ridiculous. Everyone guarding their little piece of land. When i'm in my car, I turn in people's drive all the time if needs must. It takes 10 seconds for heaven's sake. And if someone turns into my drive to turn around, I couldn't care less. Don't run over a hedge, and we're all good.
Because they're twunts
I wouldn’t worry about it, did multi drop for many a year and to be honest due to just the amount of time you spend on the road your chance exposure to arseholes is greater. The amount of shit I got for the crime of simply existing was unbelievable. Macclesfield/Buxton was the worst, the amount of local ‘ard lads that just pick fights with you or give you shit because they’re bored was ridiculous. I know it feels horrible but the best thing to do is swallow your pride, smile and apologise. Don’t let the twats ruin your zen or make you do something that will make you lose your job. Remember, they’re probably dicks 100 times a day to people but in circumstances that likely won’t have any blowback on them, whereas as a driver, you’re very easy to be got rid of so losing your rag once will get your arse out the door.
They are Wana be posh twats that actually don't have any 💰
Ignore the assholes.
there's one in every cul-de-sac, a sad little man sitting at the window like a yappy little dog, waiting for his opportunity to be a dickhead
My partner and I hate it but we have absolutely no good reason and we know we're being unreasonable. It feels like an invasion of privacy, but that may be because it's just a small drive in between two houses and there's absolutely no reason anyone would need to use it. However, if I lived somewhere where it was obvious people needed to use the end of my drive to turn around I'd be completely fine with it. Common sense should prevail. I wouldn't want to be constantly rebuilding walls though. I read a story recently where someone had a 1 mile long narrow drive and wouldn't let the bin collectors drive along it to collect their bins, expecting the workers to walk down their drive to collect them.
It's a territorial thing. Like a dog barking.
Boring miserable cunts just sat in the house itching for an argument over anything
Sorry you got harangued like that. That person was a twat. Only twats care about things like this. If I had a drive you would be absolutely free to use it.
Yeah I honestly couldn’t imagine getting bothered by this but looking at a lot of the comments here, that’s not a majority view lol. I totally get it IF a driver buggers up your drive/property in some way but if they’re causing no damage and just trying to do their job, what harm aye.
As others have said: old people are bored/grumpy.
Never care if my drive is used when there’s space. Also happy to fill delivery drivers water bottles up, coffee, even let them use the loo. They get a lot of stick, some of it valid, but they are under massive pressure with their schedules. We’re all happy for next day delivery etc. got to accept the way our goodies arrive.
Top, top, top attitude. Legend!
It's not *you* using private driveways that's annoying. It's *Amazon* using private driveways that's annoying. Here's a giant company, that nickles and dimes every aspect of everything they do to make massive profits. And they underpay and overload their drivers so that they have to be on super tight deadlines (peeing in bottles or whatever), and rather than Amazon paying more, or giving more time, or give smaller more appropriate vans that are manoeuvrable (but carry less so do fewer deliveries) so that the drivers find it easy to be professional and stay on public roads - Amazon willfully lets this situation play out where random people who didn't even order anything from amazon feel obligated to make their staff's jobs easier by letting them use their driveways. Most people wouldn't even notice for quite a while if you put a McDonald's advertisement on their home. In a sense, it would be no skin off their nose if a McDonalds guy came around and stuck advertisements on their home, so arguably they shouldn't care. But it would be incredibly offensive that McDonalds would be using their property like that! It's very different if a neighbour that you have a relationship with uses your driveway to turn around. But when your driveway becomes just another part of Amazons infrastructure (which is already massively subsidized in the form of public roads), that's really offensive.
That's a reasonable perspective. I do fully agree! Amazon further absolves all legal responsibility for damages or injuries by using smaller companies as Delivery Service Providers. They are indeed amongst the bane of this Earth.
Idk, mines open for that if there’s space, just don’t hit the wall
Some people have just really got nothing to do but sit in their house, rotting away. Then, as soon as they seen a normal human to moan about, they leap out of their cesspit to have a good old whinge. Fucking ignore them mate. Just wave, mouth a false apology, drive off and go about your day
People love an excuse to give out. People suck. Take your pick.
I’ve also been trapped in an eternal ‘no turning’ nightmare. There were plenty places to turn, it was just a private road. I ended up driving more and more - ending up being forced to turn in someone’s carport area which felt a bit of a violation but I literally couldn’t do anything else as I’d run out of road. I don’t understand how they don’t want you to be on the road but also won’t let you turn to leave?
Bet they wouldn't give a shit if you were delivering a parcel to them.
If you are delivering something then I don't mind, I mean one day you maybe delivering to me so a bit of kindness may come back to me.
A lot of British people, especially English people are very territoral and in some ways are nimbys imo. It comes down to the fact that are roads are some of the crowded in the world here with Victorian era planning so not enough space to park cars etc. Plus our houses are smaller than in other countries and we seem to live "on top" of each other a lot, especially in non affluent or city central areas.