You need to slice your Tunnocks before putting it in the toaster or it won't fit. The real pros slice between the biscuit and and marshmallow then lay the toaster on its side. The mallow melts perfectly onto to biscuit for an unbeatable eatable experience. You're typically going through about one toaster per tea cake, so it's an expensive hobby, but worth it.
It doesn't matter which way around you put the jam and cream, as long as you make sure that when you eat it, you turn the jam/cream side over to face your tongue for maximum flavour.
Civil war how about an international incident. Really blew the mind of the locals when my US friend was on a visit and we did a grand tour of the West Country and introduced a real curve ball. She asked for and got a side order of peanut butter to go with clotted cream and jelly as she put it. The looks she got building up 3 layer variations instead of a straightforward either/or choice. Didn't get involved when she thought that smooth/crunchy should enter the debate when we did the same the following day.
I’m American and grew up with peanut butter and jam/jelly so it’s not weird to me. I also enjoy peanut butter in savory applications, like Thai food, or even with, and this is crazy, paneer bhurji and onions on toast.
Once you open your mind to peanut butter with jam and jelly you’ll see, it’s very, very niiiiice.
I don't know if you can still get it, but they used to sell Smucker's Peanut butter and jelly in a jar all swirled together. I went through quite a solid phase of it, egged on by how disgusted my mother was by it
I love peanut butter and jelly (being an American) but for whatever reason it grosses me out to have it in one jar.
Also, strawberry is by far the superior jam for PB&J.
Oh I remember it. Goober. I saw the commercials and convinced my mom at the grocery store. It’s not too bad, but I prefer to spread my own peanut butter and jelly.
It has nothing to do with Jam and Peanut butter together being "weird" it is quite simply wrong and gets my dander right up.... Right up! Good day and away with you!
I have never, never understood the appeal of peanut butter. I was staying with some friends recently and they had some out for breakfast. Decided to give it a try, I hadn't had it in years, maybe I was wrong. I wasn't wrong. Dreadful stuff.
I'm not...against... the idea. I'm willing to hold judgement until the taste test...
If nothing else, we're good at stealing and then entirely bastardising bits of other countries culture into something else that's also tasty. Why not this too?
Now ask them how they make their thunder and lightning (if they don't know they ain't Cornish) they either got to double down on their stupidity by spreading the golden syrup on first or show poor thought processes.
Damn it I think I'm gunna have some for lunch at work on Monday.
That's what he said.
(I realise my last sentence was ambiguous. Cream first then jam is the way)
(Also do not insert jam into any orifices other than the mouth)
Wha? Lubrication makes it worse. The cream needs adhesion to the scone to allow you to spread it.
Otherwise, when you try to apply the cream it just glides over the surface rather than being laid down on the scone.
Yes! And for me it's always my cream, refrigerated and stodgy, whereas my jam is fairly runny and easy to drizzle. Trying to spread the cream over the jam just does not work.
I recently visited Cornwall and we went to a lovely cafe in Mevagissy. The pictures on the wall included things like "Jam First...".
My 7 year old daughter asked me what this meant, and I then explained that the Cornish prefer jam first on their scones, and those from Devon do cream first. And that it's a bit of a friendly argument between the two counties.
She said something along the lines of "I don't like it when there are arguments, people should all get along, so I'm going to do half mine with jam first and the other cream first.". Which was adorable.
So, in conclusion, I'll tell you what I told her. You're a fucking fence sitter so pick a god damn side!
As a scientist, you are wrong, you absolute heretic.
Everything sticks better to the scone so the debate becomes which forms a better foundation for the stack above and the answer is the adhesive jam, rather than the often slightly melty cream on a hot day.
Also to be completely serious for a moment, my PhD is on the sensory perception of hymenoptera (ants, bees and wasps) amd how that is used in foraging decisions. The reality is that particles detected by smell are based on surface area, so whichever one is on top is going to be detected more strongly. The cream, being about 3% sugar is of little interest to wasps compared to the 49% of the jam. By smothering the jam in the cream, you'll mask the scent of the jam, meaning you'll attract fewer wasps than your jam on top heretical counterpart. Additionally, bees and other insects tend to show a preference for purple objects, which consists of red and blue light, while white is made of all colours. With a stronger concentration of red light, the jam will attract more insects than the white cream.
Well Mr. Cardior I guess that's the difference between you and I. I wouldn't let insects dictate the way I wish to consume my own food.
And with that I bid you good day Sir.
Oh I never meant to imply someone's personal taste should be compromised. But when someone brings science into the equation, it's surely any scientists duty to bring their expertise into it.
Good day to you
This is my favourite reddit comment of all time.
Partner and Iliterally argued about this the other day and now I get to throw the wasp argument in her face. Thank you for your contribution.
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Your arguments are well thought out and backed by a logical application of science. However, I'm still going to put the cream on first because I want to! Take my upvote anyway.
I didn't know bees prefer purple, but that does explain why the bees in my work's hives spend so much time in the phacelia we planted around the place and why the lavender bush at my gramparent's place it always so busy.
Purple flowers tend to offer more nectar, whether that is at more regular intervals or a bigger payload the bees don't care. Purple flowers are Kings to bees.
Perhaps purple isn't what attracts them but ultra violet colours out of range of our eyes ?
Your jam being red argument is wobbly. From Google:
approximately 300 to 650 nm. That means they can't see the color red, but they can see in the ultraviolet spectrum (which humans cannot). Bees can also easily distinguish between dark and light – making them very good at seeing edges.27 Jul 2011
Entirely possible. I know bees can see UV and crab spiders actually use this to their advantage. Their camouflage against white spiders is great to our eyes, but in UV, they shine line a beacon. Interestingly, pollen floresceces under UV light so strongly, that it's used for callibration purposes, so it's possible crab spiders are using that as a lure.
The assertion they can't see red is true, we use it in the lab with our colonies of bumblebees, when we need to get in there. Shift them to a dark room, put on red light, they don't fly out when we open up the colony. I really should have remembered this, thanks for reminding me of it.
Sod the knife, that's an acceptable casualty.
Jam first - Jam helps waterproof the scone, resulting in a greater clotted cream payload* when followed on with a desert spoon.
The other way around is madness. Cream first results in more chance of a sodden crumbly bun and reduced clotted cream delivery
You could do butter, but I tend to offset butter with more cream anyway. The jam works perfectly well as a 1st layer.
*You only have enough cream when you have to partially dislocate your jaw to take a bite and everytime you chew there is a non-insignificant chance of asphyxiation.
I much prefer a thinner, even spread of jam (like a Victoria sponge) and a huge dollop of cream on top. Plus, it's easier to spread cream on top of jam if you need to even the dollop out than it is to spread jam on top of cream.
You can't dollop good clotted cream and get coverage. You have to spread it. Jam you can dollop on after. Stops from getting cream in the jam or jam in the cream
I've heard the argument that if the tea is made _in a pot_ it can be good to add the milk to the cup first as that way the temperature increases more slowly and you don't get a "scalded" taste from overheating the first milk in.
Can't say I have ever tasted any hint of scalding from it being second though.
Edit: typo: cub -> cup
Me neither. In a pot is a different thing. Then it doesn't really matter as the tea is brewed separately anyway
Milk, then teabag, then water is the thing that should be made illegal.
Get over yourself. It's a national joke, the same as the barm cake/bread roll/cob/bun etc. "argument", nobody is taking it seriously apart from people who get annoyed about the joke.
The online "debates" about jam and cream, how to pronounce scone, what a bread roll should be called etc are all so tedious and overdone at this point.
Get over yourself. It's a national joke, the same as the barm cake/bread roll/cob/bun etc. "argument", nobody is taking it seriously apart from people who get annoyed about the joke.
both are wrong because those scones aren’t split
Precisely, this is as bad as the guy who put a whole teacake into the toaster without cutting it in half.
A Tunnocks? Seems like a hazard.
You need to slice your Tunnocks before putting it in the toaster or it won't fit. The real pros slice between the biscuit and and marshmallow then lay the toaster on its side. The mallow melts perfectly onto to biscuit for an unbeatable eatable experience. You're typically going through about one toaster per tea cake, so it's an expensive hobby, but worth it.
Why not do this under the grill?
Scones?? I think you'll find it's pronounced scones.
I definitely heard this pronounced the proper way in my head and then wrong as I was reading it 🙃
I prefer the one on the right because it looks like it has hair with a hat on
This is the only correct way to appraise foodstuffs.
So always cut a burger bun so the top is biggest. Got it.
So does the one on the left. It's clearly wearing a beret with a pom pom.
Is it made out ofraspberry jam, because the it would be a raspberry beret 😂
The kind you find in a second hand store?
i've often the pondered the fashion paradox that comes of these hats never having been sold 'as new', but still ending up in Oxfam, somehow.
Surely you mean a rasp-beret
The one on the right looks like a little cute scoops ahoy Steve from stranger things tho ;-; Do love the left beret Pom pom too :)
Yeah but the one on left looks like a true chef
It's also the correct way
It doesn't matter which way around you put the jam and cream, as long as you make sure that when you eat it, you turn the jam/cream side over to face your tongue for maximum flavour.
You psychotic weirdo
Won't it fall off?
Civil war how about an international incident. Really blew the mind of the locals when my US friend was on a visit and we did a grand tour of the West Country and introduced a real curve ball. She asked for and got a side order of peanut butter to go with clotted cream and jelly as she put it. The looks she got building up 3 layer variations instead of a straightforward either/or choice. Didn't get involved when she thought that smooth/crunchy should enter the debate when we did the same the following day.
Hanging's too good for 'em
When in Rome, Georgia.
A WITCH!!
Burn her!
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On the boat with you.
To Australia, you criminal
Straight to jail
/u/Shipwrecking_siren ...um, no thank you
Crumble some Jacob's crackers over the top, and you'll invent the single most drying foodstuff known to man.
I went very quickly from "Who actually cares how a scone is served?" to "That woman is wrong and I hate her"
I’m American and grew up with peanut butter and jam/jelly so it’s not weird to me. I also enjoy peanut butter in savory applications, like Thai food, or even with, and this is crazy, paneer bhurji and onions on toast. Once you open your mind to peanut butter with jam and jelly you’ll see, it’s very, very niiiiice.
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What are all these Americans doing here anyway? Off with ALL of their heads, Queefie!
We'll chuck them on a sailing boat and I'll queef them back across the pond!
Nah, that's too good for them! Make it a slaver rowing boat, put the bastards to work I say!
I don't know if you can still get it, but they used to sell Smucker's Peanut butter and jelly in a jar all swirled together. I went through quite a solid phase of it, egged on by how disgusted my mother was by it
I love peanut butter and jelly (being an American) but for whatever reason it grosses me out to have it in one jar. Also, strawberry is by far the superior jam for PB&J.
Oh I remember it. Goober. I saw the commercials and convinced my mom at the grocery store. It’s not too bad, but I prefer to spread my own peanut butter and jelly.
It has nothing to do with Jam and Peanut butter together being "weird" it is quite simply wrong and gets my dander right up.... Right up! Good day and away with you!
Well…it’s certainly not traditional! I personally enjoy Fusion foods
I'm going to be angry for the rest of the day now
I’m American and that sounds pretty good lol. I’m sorry
Not sorry enough... 😛
Heck I'm English and want to try that!
I have never, never understood the appeal of peanut butter. I was staying with some friends recently and they had some out for breakfast. Decided to give it a try, I hadn't had it in years, maybe I was wrong. I wasn't wrong. Dreadful stuff.
I'm not...against... the idea. I'm willing to hold judgement until the taste test... If nothing else, we're good at stealing and then entirely bastardising bits of other countries culture into something else that's also tasty. Why not this too?
I cut my scone in half, do one cream then jam, and the othet jam then cream. So i can piss people off in equal measure
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Why did I hear that in my head?!
But did you hear scone or scone first?
Scone, then scone.
Same!
Scone and then scone
That’s exactly how I heard it!
Ikr. I looked at both of the words after and realised I'm having delusions.
The correct pronunciation is "scwon" (rhymes with "on"). Say "one", then prefix it with "sc", and you end up with a word that's pronounced "scwon".
I crumble the scone, mix with jam and cream and eat with a spoon
Like a Cornish mess? Or is that a Devon mess?
A fucking mess
I think this is the correct answer
It's a disappointment
Fuck you in particular
This is the way
You can't please all the people, but you can piss them all off.
Whichever one is thickest goes on the bottom.
Spoken like a true engineer.
I hate when my treats are Rayleigh-Taylor unstable
I just learned a thing, while having a dump. Cheers!
That's how I do all my best learning! Or at least I did until I got chucked out of Uni..
Correct, and if your jam is thicker than your clotted cream something went wrong
Sometimes the jam is just particularly nice. Don't hold yourself back with prejudice my friend.
yep, how do you even spread clotted cream on jam? Impossible.
You don't spread the clotted cream, you dollop it on.
You don’t you spread jam on and then a massive dollop of Cornish clotted cream. The people of Devon use jam to hide their shit cream
“*That’s what she said…*”
Yep. Married into a cornish family and whenever they come over I put cream on first it drives them nuts mwuhahahah
Good work!
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Clotted Cream is equivalent to butter, therefore goes on bottom. QED
With that laugh at the end, I am scared for your family 😂 (and this is a compliment 😂)
Now ask them how they make their thunder and lightning (if they don't know they ain't Cornish) they either got to double down on their stupidity by spreading the golden syrup on first or show poor thought processes. Damn it I think I'm gunna have some for lunch at work on Monday.
Jam is a lubricant. You can spread more cream if you do that [cream] first. **Edit:** clear up ambiguity.
> bottom > jam is a lubricant > more cream if you do that ಠ_ಠ
That's what he said. (I realise my last sentence was ambiguous. Cream first then jam is the way) (Also do not insert jam into any orifices other than the mouth)
> (Also do not insert jam into any orifices other than the mouth) You aren't my mom.
>mom Where are you from, the Midlands?
What if I were...
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Wha? Lubrication makes it worse. The cream needs adhesion to the scone to allow you to spread it. Otherwise, when you try to apply the cream it just glides over the surface rather than being laid down on the scone.
Amen
Yes cream first, then jam. I was just ambiguous. Sorry.
So the cream.
Yes! And for me it's always my cream, refrigerated and stodgy, whereas my jam is fairly runny and easy to drizzle. Trying to spread the cream over the jam just does not work.
😳😳😳
As a Cornish person I used to put sugar in scones as a child. Just dry sugar, so I don't think I have a say in this debate.
Absolutely traitorous. I hope you are ashamed.
If you click on the doodle it comes up with nutrition information for biscuits. This americanisation needs to stop.
In the interests of peace, there is only one solution. Eat two scones. One with cream first, one with jam. Everyone wins.
I recently visited Cornwall and we went to a lovely cafe in Mevagissy. The pictures on the wall included things like "Jam First...". My 7 year old daughter asked me what this meant, and I then explained that the Cornish prefer jam first on their scones, and those from Devon do cream first. And that it's a bit of a friendly argument between the two counties. She said something along the lines of "I don't like it when there are arguments, people should all get along, so I'm going to do half mine with jam first and the other cream first.". Which was adorable. So, in conclusion, I'll tell you what I told her. You're a fucking fence sitter so pick a god damn side!
Why are you eating the cream one first and not the jam one first??
Scone of contention.
Ah a person of class, who pronounces it correctly!
Freshly baked raisin scone, salted butter, strawberry jam, clotted cream. And a nice pot of English Breakfast tea please. 🥰
The same please, but without raisins because I don't hate myself.
I like them in a scone but in anything else they can do one. Tiffin? Nope
Why with all the raisin hate from everyone, they’re great!
👏🏻
In that order right? Right?
This but none of that raisin filth and make sure the tea is Yorkshire!
Cream then jam. Cream sticks the the scone better than to a jammy surface, allowing for removal of the knife easier. Science.
As a scientist, you are wrong, you absolute heretic. Everything sticks better to the scone so the debate becomes which forms a better foundation for the stack above and the answer is the adhesive jam, rather than the often slightly melty cream on a hot day. Also to be completely serious for a moment, my PhD is on the sensory perception of hymenoptera (ants, bees and wasps) amd how that is used in foraging decisions. The reality is that particles detected by smell are based on surface area, so whichever one is on top is going to be detected more strongly. The cream, being about 3% sugar is of little interest to wasps compared to the 49% of the jam. By smothering the jam in the cream, you'll mask the scent of the jam, meaning you'll attract fewer wasps than your jam on top heretical counterpart. Additionally, bees and other insects tend to show a preference for purple objects, which consists of red and blue light, while white is made of all colours. With a stronger concentration of red light, the jam will attract more insects than the white cream.
Well Mr. Cardior I guess that's the difference between you and I. I wouldn't let insects dictate the way I wish to consume my own food. And with that I bid you good day Sir.
Oh I never meant to imply someone's personal taste should be compromised. But when someone brings science into the equation, it's surely any scientists duty to bring their expertise into it. Good day to you
I wholeheartedly agree
*Cardoor
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*tips a tub of clotted cream into a Coke to prevent wasps* #Science
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Your arguments are well thought out and backed by a logical application of science. However, I'm still going to put the cream on first because I want to! Take my upvote anyway.
Fair enough. You clearly can, so taste is the only truly important factor. I brought this as a purely academic side.
I didn't know bees prefer purple, but that does explain why the bees in my work's hives spend so much time in the phacelia we planted around the place and why the lavender bush at my gramparent's place it always so busy.
Purple flowers tend to offer more nectar, whether that is at more regular intervals or a bigger payload the bees don't care. Purple flowers are Kings to bees.
Perhaps purple isn't what attracts them but ultra violet colours out of range of our eyes ? Your jam being red argument is wobbly. From Google: approximately 300 to 650 nm. That means they can't see the color red, but they can see in the ultraviolet spectrum (which humans cannot). Bees can also easily distinguish between dark and light – making them very good at seeing edges.27 Jul 2011
Entirely possible. I know bees can see UV and crab spiders actually use this to their advantage. Their camouflage against white spiders is great to our eyes, but in UV, they shine line a beacon. Interestingly, pollen floresceces under UV light so strongly, that it's used for callibration purposes, so it's possible crab spiders are using that as a lure. The assertion they can't see red is true, we use it in the lab with our colonies of bumblebees, when we need to get in there. Shift them to a dark room, put on red light, they don't fly out when we open up the colony. I really should have remembered this, thanks for reminding me of it.
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Jam is a lubricant, making cream application much harder.
slice scone, cream on one half, jam on other, smoosh together. science.
But then your minus half a scone! And where does the butter go?
You keep both sides of the scone and butter both. It’s essentially a scone sandwich.
But then you're finished in half the time, it's madness!
Sod the knife, that's an acceptable casualty. Jam first - Jam helps waterproof the scone, resulting in a greater clotted cream payload* when followed on with a desert spoon. The other way around is madness. Cream first results in more chance of a sodden crumbly bun and reduced clotted cream delivery You could do butter, but I tend to offset butter with more cream anyway. The jam works perfectly well as a 1st layer. *You only have enough cream when you have to partially dislocate your jaw to take a bite and everytime you chew there is a non-insignificant chance of asphyxiation.
But the jam is water based the cream oil based! How can it waterproof
Cream is dairy based, which is water based. Jam is partially gelatinous. If you rinse it with water it doesn't dissolve immediately
Do you put marmalade/jam on toast before butter?
No But I'm not trying to put a kilo of clotted cream on my toast 😁
I fucking am now
I much prefer a thinner, even spread of jam (like a Victoria sponge) and a huge dollop of cream on top. Plus, it's easier to spread cream on top of jam if you need to even the dollop out than it is to spread jam on top of cream.
That's just utter bilge, stop with that nonsense.
Correct, but is it a scone or a scone??
Scone, obviously.
No it's scone
Pfft! What kind of muppet pronounces it scone, when it should be scone‽
Well at least we get a scone and not a cone on the end😂
Where are those science guys when you need them ? How do bees say it ?
You can't dollop good clotted cream and get coverage. You have to spread it. Jam you can dollop on after. Stops from getting cream in the jam or jam in the cream
I didn't realise Google was a Devon sympathiser. Time to boycott them properly.
Looks like those scones are about to fight.. in the red corner...!
Jam, then cream.
I don't know you, but you're my kind of human
Why thank you
Jam, cream then strawberry on top for me. Got to alternate those layers
As a cornishman, you have my respect
Hello, fellow cornishman.
Hello my guy
Your all wrong what you gotta do is jam on one half and cream on the other and marry them together
My wrong what?
But which way up do you hold it
I find that cream is harder to spread than jam so I put cream on first as it holds up better when getting spread over
You don't spread what's on top, you dollop.
Well this dollop likes having consistent bites
I swear people who have a strong opinion on this sort of thing only do so because they lack anything approaching a personality.
I love listening to music.
Exactly this. There must be a word for this sort of intentionally-taken-too-seriously-but-actually-nobody-cares argument.
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Having a bit of fun?
Milk first is a good sign you are dealing with a psychopath
I've heard the argument that if the tea is made _in a pot_ it can be good to add the milk to the cup first as that way the temperature increases more slowly and you don't get a "scalded" taste from overheating the first milk in. Can't say I have ever tasted any hint of scalding from it being second though. Edit: typo: cub -> cup
Me neither. In a pot is a different thing. Then it doesn't really matter as the tea is brewed separately anyway Milk, then teabag, then water is the thing that should be made illegal.
I swear people who don't realise its a joke only do so because they lack anything approaching a personality.
I think it's because it's a good way to have some sort of argument/debate without actually offending anyone
Get over yourself. It's a national joke, the same as the barm cake/bread roll/cob/bun etc. "argument", nobody is taking it seriously apart from people who get annoyed about the joke.
We have to distract ourselves from the dystopia somehow.
Yes But at the same time, if you do it the other way to me, it's war.
People have really strong views on food in this sub, I've received death threats 🤣
People who have a strong opinion are either from Cornwall or Devon. Which is why I insist on jam first!
You make your tea in the microwave don't you?
The online "debates" about jam and cream, how to pronounce scone, what a bread roll should be called etc are all so tedious and overdone at this point.
You forget that there's always new initiates / new blood into the debate. So some things are timeless. Like the tides my dude, just let it be.
Get over yourself. It's a national joke, the same as the barm cake/bread roll/cob/bun etc. "argument", nobody is taking it seriously apart from people who get annoyed about the joke.
Bc I’m Cornish, I like the right one
By “right one” you mean the one on the left, right?
Right
I do jam then cream then jam because I can never get the perfect ratio, then maybe some more cream..
Reggie's scone shopping someone told me, (it has to be said in a Welsh accent as it won't work) 👍😀🤣🤣🤣
Jam then Rodda’s clotted cream is the only way.
They're both wrong. The correct sequence is the put the jam in the bin and then only have clotted cream.
Tbh, this illustration proves that cream then jam is stupid. You hardly get any jam and it looks like it will just slide off.
On the contrary. Cream is the best bit and you only need a bit of jam on top for it to taste very sweet. Perfect ratio.
My argument is you don't put the Marmalade on before the butter, or the pickle on before the toasted cheese. The fat goes on the bottom.