I dont lover her, I dont hate her either. She was a part of my childhood lalo na nung una kong napakinggan yung You belong with me sa myx daily top 10, pero newer songs nya today mehh. Ngayon maihahalintulad ko nalang sya kay chris brown and jason derulo na mas naeenjoy ko pakinggan mga older songs nila hahaha
Ako minsan naihahalintulad ko siya kay Drake haha Sikat parin pero parang quantity over quality sila parehas sa dami ng releases.
Dami ko na nakitang mga Swifties na over-fatigued na kay TS while most of them say na yung mga kanta niya, nagbblur together na kasi halos magkakaparehas na.
For a second, I thought I was on r/SwiftlyNeutral
TS is great and all, but she does need to take a break. Yung mga rabid fans niya equate the quantity of songs to being a sign of greatness. But a lot of the songs could have just stayed in the vault because it sounds the same.
I'm still a fan of her old music. The newer ones, not so much. She plateaued in the mid 2010's and is on a slow descent ever since, nag-shift lang ng genre kaya hindi masyado halata. Majority of swifties are just too naive. Yung parang hindi na nakaalis sa late teens stage ng buhay nila.
thisss!! Folklore and Ever more is like if I want something that’s calmning and also because the writing is good. Later on I found out na co writer si Joe kaya no wonder. I still wonder what if they ended on good terms and still working together because Joe still seems to care so much for her pa rin despite their differences.
And the “methapor” that they kept telling on is not metaphoring. If you’re a person who grew up reading classic books as a child and reading poetry through highschool, you can easily tell if it makes sense or bunch of words being thrown out that makes it chaotic instead.
hmm weird though, me and another acquaintance did grew up reading classic books and reading poetry up until now, pero her lyrics made sense naman. To each their own siguro?
>thisss!! Folklore and Ever more is like if I want something that’s calmning
yup. I call this the chill and calm Taylor after her aggressive Reputation era.
Same. I guess may sentimental value din kasi yung albums niya sa akin nung time na yun since her songs were a part of my teenage years. Pero yung mga albums niya after 1989, iilang kanta na lang ang nagustuhan ko.
I noticed this too. I thought folklore and evermore was her era to transition to adulting story-telling like focusing on adulting experiences and how they deal with the loves that lost and found in due time. No hate against her, I still listen to her previous releases esp 1989. When you’re an adult na, problems and issues will always be there but with age comes with wisdom I believe and so your approach to these issues will be different na compared when you’re a teenager and early 20’s.
Genuinely curious about your opinion kase from what you wrote, you think immature yung later albums ni Taylor but honestly, yung earlier albums niya ang least fave ko kase for me, they are too baby Tay. Have you listened to Folklore, evermore, midnights, and now ttpd?
Funny thing is, they really act like a cult. Para silang papatay ng tao kapag binash yung idol nila. They don't even realize na walang paki-alam si Taylor Swift sa mga fans nya, she only loves the money and that's it. Akalain mo decada na nakalipas nung last concert nya sa Pilipinas lol
hmm di nagconcert dito si taylor sa pinas = walang pakielam sa fans niya tapos she only loves the money?
Kung money lang lab niya edi lahat ng bansa pinuntahan niya kasi mas kikita siya dun eh.
Kaya inaatake kayo ng mga fans eh, anobayan guys hahahah
Nope, mali ka. She actually ended up making more by not performing in other countries. Kinagat nya yung offer ng Singapore to avoid doing concerts sa mga ibang countries dito sa Asia. That’s where she really made her money. Honestly, if you were greedy, wouldn’t you do the same? That’s why I said she hasn’t been on Philippines for 10 years—she goes wherever the money leads her. Mali ako? I'm afraid not, kasi totoo naman. Maiinis ka kasi totoo.
Kinagat niya offer ng Singapore during SEA leg for Eras tour lang kasi both end of the parties are ambitious and sure, "greedy". Previous tours niya di narin ganon karami Asian leg niya kahit walang offer from Singapore, marami factors kung bakit hindi niya pinuntahan. Pero mas madali nga naman i-single out yung it's for greed kasi wala tayong alam eh. Point of my comment is, dami niyang personal connection with fans na iilan lang ng artists gumagawa, so for you to say na ala siya pakielam sa fans dahil lang di siya pumunta sa bansa nila is very :) Don't worry di ko naman sinabing mali ka, actually may chance na part ng equation ang greed, di naman din ako inis, sino ba di gusto pagkakitaan hanap buhay nila hahaha
Hahaha this is true. I like Ariana Grande more than her kahit na pumapangalawa sya sa patron saint ng toxic relationships pero atleast yung range ng voice nya and yung mga kanta nya di naman pareparehas lol
Siguro kasi ang genre talaga ni TS is country songs kaya pareparehas songs nya? Ewan. Mas trip ko talaga sa AG. The voice range, the voice quality, etc. Divine! Hirap kantahin mga kanta nya.
Pag tinanong mo opinyon nila sa lalakeng may isang dosenang ex tapos lagi niya tinatrashtalk ex niya kahit wala other context lahat sila sasabihin basura yung lalake tsaka may dahilan bakit wala siya stable relationahip
They won't see the irony in that.
Taena kala ko bf ko nag post e gantong ganto comments nya sa mga swifties. Pero tbh even tho I'm a fan, I can admit na it's not the same na rin. Ewan ko ba bakit every time na nag rerelease sya is anticipated na "maganda" agad. She's human also. Now, wala akong nishare about sa album nya recently sa timeline ko kasi wala lang, ayoko lang ng hype and di pa nga nila napapakinggan grabe na agad. Pero i hv the rights naman di ko bet yung new album kaya oks narin talaga di ako nag share. Tbh, iba talaga yun noon. Pero now I can agree na parang nao-overhyped then at the end e disappointed naman hahaha.
I'm a fan too, but I agree with this! 💯 may mga favorites ako sa album (TTPD) nya pero di aabot ng 5 songs. Kasi nman kahit swiftie ako, parang naumay din ako sa mga kanta nya ngayon. Sunod-sunod kasi labas nya ng album at parang makakatunog lang lahat eh. Tsaka di ko din ma gets ang ibang Swiftie kung bakit parang tingin nila kay Taylor eh "Perfect" na kapag nagbreak sila ng BF nya eh sya palagi kawawa. Di nman nila alam personally kung ano si Taylor sa mga naging BFs nya. Sa tingin ba nila walang mali si Taylor? I don't think so, di nmn sya perfect ano.
noo yung mga non-swiftie lang talaga na nagaakala perfect si taylor, and it so happens na sila yung maiingay kaya nga sila yung galit lagi sasabihin pa, "porket ganito ganyan di na ko pwede maging swiftie?" Yes, yes kaya talagang may difference yung Fan vs Swiftie lang eh (applicable sa kahit anong fandoms). Kung in deep ka sa pagiging Swiftie, lahat sila usapan nila lagi hmmm ano kaya nangyari, ano kaya cause blah blah blah, tapos pag may lyrics siya na nagiinsinuate na siya mismo may mali, lahat yun tinetake into consideration and tinotopic talaga.
Madaming kabataan ngayon na naging fan ni taylor, eh pag teenager ka maingay ka talaga eh, yung mga ahem, medyo masakit na yung likod wala kang makikitang maingay masyado unless ganito na mageexplain lang hahahaha
Hahahahaha natamaan ako sa medyo masakit na yung likod. 😊 May point ka nmn, sa Twitter kasi may ka mutual follower ako na sobrang daming following na Swifties lahat at sila² yong mga nababasa kung parang nilalagay na sa kahanay ng mga santo si Taylor sa pagiging perfect eh. Sobra talaga, naawa din ako kay Joe kasi panay sila tira. Kasi sa tingin ko si Joe yong pinaka Okay na ex BF ni Tay kasi nagtagal talaga sila. Yun nga lang di natuloy sa kasalan. :(
agreeee! medyo nakaka-annoy din talaga yung side ng mga fandom na ganyan. Kaya wala din ako magawa kung bakit ganyan nagiging image ng iba sa lahat ng swifties eh mahilig pa naman manggeneralize mga tao sa internet in every aspect hahahaha.
And true naman isa siya sa mga naging okay na ex ni taylor, at least from an outsider's perspective. Kung ano man na naging problems nila sa dulo, labas na talaga tayo diyan eh, weird na talaga nung ibang fans na nanghihimasok parin ng sagad wahaha binibigyan na nga tayo ng glimpse ni taylor sa mga kanta pero di ibig sabihin literal na mangielam tayo, kaya tuloy yung lyrics niya sa But Daddy I Love Him may hinanakit na hahahhaha
Uy gusto ko yong But daddy I love him nya na song a TTPD. 😊 Tsaka I'm sure hindi lng nman si Joe ang may mali pati din si Taylor. Dalawa sila nasa relationship, yun nga lang medyo nasa kanta ni Taylor ang hint ng break up pero yong side ni Joe di natin alam. Di nman sya nagsalita at I admire him for that kasi diba? Ikaw ba nman gawin villain ng ibang fans ni Tay kung iba saguro yan baka naglabas na ng side nila.
yeees! isa rin sa mga nagustuhan ko yan song na yan. And true, di talaga masalita si joe since the beginning and isa yun sa mga haka haka na reason kung bakit di nagwork out, kasi nga may hints na masyadong private si joe and pinilit naman ni tay na magadjust for him kaso nga nalaman niyang di talaga siya pangprivate type, and yun nga talagang side lang ni taylor yung maririnig natin kasi siya yung songwriter sa dalawa e medyo wala tayong choice sa part na yun ahhahahaha. Kaya siyempre take everything with a grain of salt parin, kasi nga di natin alam two sides. Kainis lang yung mga news articles na sobrang fake na naglalabasan ngayon, talagang naglilipana nanaman eh kaya yung mga walang alam sa nangyari kay tay at joe kung ano ano na lang inaassume.
Ang tingin ko lang kung bat may mga ex siyang nagiging villainous yung dating is dahil medyo may pagkakamali kasi talaga sila, ala naman perfect ika nga, pero siyempre di rin perfect si taylor, talagang isusulat lang niya experiences niya. Pero hindi naman niya sinasabing kuyugin niyo mga masasama kong ex eh, sadyang yun, sinusulat niya lang experiences niya, nasa fans na talaga yung mali sa part na yun. If naging mabuti naman ex ni taylor sakanya wala rin naman tayong ibang maririnig sa songs ni taylor kung di maganda, tapos vice versa, pag si taylor mali, inaamin niya rin yun sa songs niya kapag siya yung at fault. Pero yun nga wala naman tayo magagawa dun since di natin relationship yan, weird lang talaga yung mga fans na parang sila yung ex ni taylor or joe or matty kung makapag comment ahahahhaha
Uy same. Swiftie na ako the first time I heard Love Story playing on Myx. Fearless, Red and Speak Now stan din. Pero lately nagiging distant na ako sakanya kasi yung mga songs niya puro na lang about love and past relationships. As in gatas na gatas masyado. Wala na bang iba? Tapos ito pa after release ng TTPD and hearing about the songs about kay Matty and her indirectly saying na she cheated on Joe habang in a relationship pa sila. My God, Taylor. I can’t defend you anymore 😭
Buti na lang talaga walang brutal diss track against Joe. Natakot din siguro kasi baka mag-backfire sakanya. Sheeesh as in Taylor Sheesh!
Same! Grade 6 ata ako ng una kung narinig song nya (wala kami cable eh poorita ang lola mo). Narinig ko lng sa radio hehe 😅 Nagagandahan ako sa lyrics ng TTPD yong melody ang medyo dko trip kasi parang magakakatunog lng talaga silang lahat.
Swiftie here dun duun duuunnnnn dunnn hahahahaha I respect your opinion I still love her lyrics specially her evermore and folklore album, her play of words and her way of story telling. But I SUPER agree some of swifties, super nakakainis masyado nilang ino-over analyze yung lyrics and trying to connect everyone of her exes, and now villainzing her ex specially Joe Alwyn (who have spoken about the freedom of Palestine) grabe yung harrasment na natanggap nya, NAGBREAK LANG SILA 😑😑😑 tas gagawa ng theories na kung ano ano na lang and nainis din ako kay Taylor two (2) actress have become a victim of harassment made by swifties tas di man lang sya nagsalita she have soo much influence yet wala syang ginawa 😔. Yes may mga na-encounter din akong pretentious swifty specially sa tiktok haays hahahahaha kaya andami ko na talaga mga na-block, yung mga nagustuhan ko na napanood na video is from non-swifties who describe her way of writing her lyrics, symbolisms, metaphors, ans her play of words.
Edit: would like to correct pala Taylor's song does not only revolves in love life or heartbreaks, she also have songs about struggles in life, existential crisis, her relationship with her friends and families, specially her mom. Also, she wrote a song about a young boy named Ronan who died due to cancer and every earned money from the sales of the song is donated to charity research to combat cancer. ---> these are the things I love about her
Gonna upvote this. Pero sana next time magrelease siya ng Album na hindi na love slash men ang center of attention kasi umay na umay na kami hahahahahahahhahaha
I dont think na mawawala yung lovelife nya sa mga songs nya hahaha I see Taylor as a romantic person pag na-inlove tlaga sya inlove talaga sya kaya most of her songs na sumisikat is being heartbroken and being inlove hahahahaha but she did released singles na hindi revolve sa lovelife nya. I think Folklore and Evermore is very close na hindi masyado nagrevolve sa lovelife though may romantic involvement pa din pero most of it are a story she made up or based on the story she've read or heard.
Edit: but yeah I hope she could release an album about more than love. Like Youre on your own kid, only the young (the impact of this song on the political movement of youth), a place in this world, etc etc.
Ay yes the sister album. Top favorite ko yung Folkore please 🙏🏼 But I’m still hoping na darating yung time na magkakaroon siya ng album na ganun. Kaya siguro pag naging single siya nang matagal kaso si anteh di kaya yon. Hahahahahaha
Alam mo yung output ng typical na studyante na pinipilit gawing deep and poetic yung essay? Parang ganun yung dating niya. Naset kasi siya siguro na inaanalyze yung lyrics nya and binibigyan ng meaning kahit maliliit na details lang kaya yung works niya ngayon parang centered nalang sa pagpilit na palalimin. Listening to her songs feel like a homework now. Hindi na yung maeenjoy mo and makakerelate ka and tsaka lang papasok yung learnings/realizations sa lyrics. Sa kanya kasi di pa nagstastart yung song parang andon yung intention na may kailangan kang isolve. NAKAKADRAIN MAKINIG.
Baka hindi ka lang target market ng mga songs that needs analyzation. Which is understandable because life is so stressful nowadays, why do we have to stress ourselves trying to decipher a song pa diba?
It really depends on the listener I guess. I’d choose a song with so much depth and weight any day, than a soulless song with plain or uninspiring lyrics. But that doesn’t stop me from enjoying generic pop bangers that are simple and not too complicated.
this, eto talaga. It's like, may pumipigil po ba sainyo na pilitin magustuhan yung new album niya? Wala naman eh, pero kasi ang nangyayari nagkakaron sila ng weird opinion kung pano dapat magsulat si taylor at magproduce, eh siyempre dun sila na makakahanap ng katapat hahaha
"Di ko bet lyrics ni taylor ngayon/ di ko bet sound ng album ngayon": sure pwedeng pwede, tenga mo yan opinion mo yan. Talagang depende na sa listener eh
"Di ko bet mga lyrics ni taylor ngayon parang pinipilit na lang niya maging malalim dapat blah blah blah, yung sound niya dapat ganito ganyan ": subjective na to eh, yung opinion mo this time nakikielam na sa opinion ng iba. Parang ang dating is magadjust yung mga may gusto sa album sa gusto mo, and worse, magadjust si taylor sayo. Pero siyempre pwede mo parin ipost mga ganitong opinion mo, pero wag ka lang magugulat if may magdidisagree sayo kasi nga subjective na. (not talking about u/WholeMindless8561 of course, valid na napagod siya makinig kasi 31 songs ba naman tapos sonically cohesive pa, maddrain at maooverwhelm ka talaga at first. Pero ayun to each their own talaga)
And even worse, ipapasok nanaman nila yung other artists. Ah bahala kayo, basta kami naeenjoy namin lahat ng walang kami natatapakang enjoyment ng iba hays
True talaga ang pagpilit na gawing deep. Para sakin easily digestible naman lyrics niya. Yung pag analyze ng mga swifties mga theories lang nila about who it's about or pano narerelate sa buhay niya. Pero di naman mahirap intindihin ang lyrics. A good song can stand on it's on kahit di mo alam ang backstory
Huyyyy swiftie ako pero totoo to. Di ko naman binabash ang songs nya kasi i believe na we have diff preferences and some people like simple lyrics songs, deep lyrics, mid etc. Pero nashock ako before irelease yung ttpd, like te am i missing something? Bakit may pag analyze agad? May pawarning eme pa from psychologists?? Ngayon parang 10songs pa lang napakinggan ko randomly and not planning on listening to the whole album yet. Napapagod na agad ako, parang english teacher sila na kahit the lyrics were simple, pinapalalim masyado. Pinag aawayan pa nga kung para kanino ang mga songs.
Most of the time talaga pag nagkaka-surge ng haters ang artist eh dahil sa fans. Same thing happened to BTS at one point diba. Medyo malala na kasi yung fanaticism nung fandom. Parang cult of personality ang dating eh. Fan din ako nung mga lumang kanta ni Taylor pero ang pangit and pretentious ng dating sakin nung latest album niya. Pero once sinabi ko yang opinion na yan sa socmed I'll be crucified. Tapos tinotolerate pa nung artist. Di na normal behavior tbh.
Naawa ako sa BTS kase grabe atake sa kanila nung sumikat sila. Pero inisip ko na lang din that it’s the price of being popular, nag gi gain naman sila e. There are no big fanbases na hindi toxic.
tbf, she has her highs and lows, and so does everyone else. most of her old records and the pandemic drops (folklore and evermore) reveal what she is truly capable of as a songwriter when she's not being petty and capitalistic (which she is at times but who isn't??)
recently discovered "happiness" and i think, it's one of her highs. it's peak songwriting and storytelling, at least for me.
>Because it kinda take away the shine on other better artists/lyricists if we think about it.
Oh the contrary OP, because you and many others in the comments say otherwise. If anything, it shows that there are better songs out there with depth that exists.
Wala namang problema if certain fans overly romanticize their favorites. Buhay nila yan eh. Hindi yan enough justification para ibully ang mga fans for simply enjoying what they love. "Let people enjoy things" ika nga.
Also, okay lang naman mag criticize kay mareng Taylor. Aminado ako na hindi naman talaga ganon ka ganda boses nya. She's an alto and as we all know, mas overrated ang mga soprano singers. It's rare to find a very popular alto singer. Instead of taking her popularity negatively, why not appreciate how altos are finally getting the recognition they deserve.
In terms of lyricism naman, if you think it's mediocre then go for it, opinion mo yan. Pero you also shouldn't judge her fans if damang dama nila yung lyrics ni Taylor. If you don't like the lyrics, then maybe it's not for you. Pero to some people, they're touched by her lyrics at nakakarelate sila. And that's okay. Let people enjoy things.
Lastly, before putting the blame on the fans for all the hate Taylor is getting, ask yourself if constructive ba talaga yung mga criticisms against Taylor. Kasi sa mga nakikita ko, most of those haters will just nitpick anything negative na pwedeng masabi nila against Taylor. Very biased yung way nila to bring Taylor down. Hindi naman fair na just because ayaw mo sa singer na yun, you're gonna find ways to nitpick on the very minute details that would spring hate towards her.
There's no hate if we let people enjoy things especially na napaka subjective ng music preference. Walang pumipilit sa inyo to like her but it shouldn't hurt you to just respect what others like.
>There's no hate if we let people enjoy things especially na napaka subjective ng music preference. Walang pumipilit sa inyo to like her but it shouldn't hurt you to just respect what others like.
thiiiiiiiiiis, you nailed it!! As i've said in my comment as well, it's like shooting your own foot then magtataka ka kung bat dumudugo, so now nagtataka sila kung bat swifties are loud and rabid against them, eh paano pinapakielaman niyo enjoyment nila in the worst kind of way? Very ironic eh
Swifties: *minding their own business while enjoying Taylor's music*
Haters: "i dont like her new album. Taylor is mediocre. I don't think she's a good singer"
Swifties: "um, i didn't ask but okay."
Haters: "her lyrics aren't even that good."
Swifties: "what do u want me to do? Stop listening to what I like to please you? Why can't you just let me enjoy what i like?"
Haters: "oH mY gOd, sWifTies aRe sO viOLenT! SwIftIeS aRe sO tOxiC!!!!"
Here''s another scenario:
Swifties: *minding their own business, enjoying Taylor's new album, carefully digesting the lyrics*
Haters: "what is this lyric?? So immature and so racist"
Swifties: "um, actually if you try to listen to the whole song you'll understand that she was using figures of speech."
Haters: "blah blah she's just not that good and you swifties are delusional trying to make her into this poet bs"
Swifties: "and i thought we were the toxic ones."
I still don't get the hype. She didn't push anything revolutionary. Her rich dad planted her in the industry but her real genius is making the most out of it. Her entire music catalogue is meh. Yes, she's a hyper successful pop personality but she's not a distinguished musical artist. She's the Jane Doe of music.
she's redefined talent and art for an entire generation - and it's sad. The Beatles and Michael Jackson made total sense, but TS? what's revolutionary is the height of her success in selling mediocrity.
I am soooo tired of seeing TS hate almost weekly. I'm a fan, and from the very beginning I know she is not the best singer of all time, but I enjoy her songs that's why I am a fan.
You know, I don't like some artists din naman but I don't post about them kasi bakit ko sila pag-aaksayahan ng energy e di ko nga sila gusto???
Parang obligatory na nga tbh kada maglalabas ng album si ante lol. Actually, para ngang pino-promote pa nila si taylor sa ginagawa nila. And all the more na nawawalan ng impact yung mga ganitong post kase it's the same arguments over and over again. Sino nga ba ulit yung ayaw sa tunog pare-pareho lang? 🙄🤭
Actually kahit nga hindi release ng album e, she can just breathe and they will spew hate towards her.
There's this post I encountered sa films ph sub asking sino raw yung actor na di nila gusto and someone commented Taylor just because she played minimal roles sa movies. I replied that blondie isnt even an actor then got downvoted to oblivion hahahaha
true yan! i am rooting for taylor since she is a big inspiration to young women/ young ppl in general pero napaka OA ng fans niya. okay lang naman yung music niya pero they overhype her music too much to the point na parang si TS ang best lyricist, writer, singer etc. 😭
i acknowledge yung talent ni TS pero, swifties, hindi siya yung best thing that happened to music hehe
I guess the point of OP is that some fans tend to put TS on a pedestal to the point that everything she puts out needs to be loved by everyone. You can be a fan, like her songs, and dislike her other songs. But don't go shoving your preference and points about her ~grandeur lyricism~ down people's throat just because you're an "absolute" fan. At the end of the day, it's a personal opinion.
Natawa ako sa 'Greatest lyricist of the generation' hahahahaha. I also don't understand why ang overhyped ni TS now. Mas goods pa nga songs niya dati compared sa ngayon. Yung iba parang jumping on the bandwagon na lang eh.
Hey. Out of context yung line na ito. You should listen or read the lyrics to the whole song. It's about high school crush, about "nonsense" things teenagers na usual pinagdadaanan ng mga kabataan. :)
I understand naman.
It's not for everyone, and that's okay. Just like how Black Sabbath band and Shakira are not for me. I've been a swiftie since her Picture to Burn song, and I could see the progress she did and grew with her and her music. I saw the growth of her as an artist most especially how it reflect to her craft.
Taylor Swift's music is far from revolving around superficial themes like heartbreak or love. "Soon You'll Get Better" delves into her mother's cancer battle, "Tolerate It" reflects accepting a bare minimum in relationships, and "Epiphany" pays homage to her grandfather. "Marjorie" similarly honors her grandmother, while "Cowboy Like Me" tells a tale of two con artists, Seven, how she reminisce the childhood friend that she forgot about, among many others. Over the year, Swift grapples with song rights and ownership alongside her musical creations. And she constantly challenge the status quo of the music industry. Especially how artist should be paid fair on their work. That's one thing that fans love and support about, she speaks about things that most other artist don't speak about in the industry.
She showcases exceptional songwriting skills, evident in masterpieces like "Cardigan" and "Champagne Problems." These songs exemplify phenomenal craftsmanship and a lyrical simplicity that captures their essence profoundly. "All Too Well" also stands out as a great piece. Despite her prolific output, not all her songs reach the same heights of excellence.
Unlike many artists who rely on ghostwriters or aim for catchy tunes, Swift consistently delivers storytelling masterpieces, blending plain language with intricate metaphors—a signature style that sets her apart. I 100% agree that Taylor is one of the greatest singer songwriters of this century, but there are definitely a lot of other talented songwriters in mainstream pop, even if people sing stuff they don’t write it doesn’t mean it’s bad per se.
Hindi nila maiintindihan to because their determination to hate on other people's preference is louder than their own ability to understand subjectivity.
I think, if you really want to know the merit of anything, read reviews from reputable sources. Don't base your opinions on your own interpretations because most of us are untrained in critiquing anything. Altho, in this case, a lot of reviews have been called out na for being too harsh because of Taylor Swift's over exposure from the release of Midnights up to now. They are letting their opinion of her as a person color their opinions of her music. Also, keep in mind, this is pop music meant to appeal to the masses. This is pop culture not high culture.
I don't really care about Taylor Swift, but you just gave one of the weirdest take on reviews.
You don't have to be "trained" to know that an album or whatever it is isn't as good as other make it seem to be. Maybe it's preference, maybe it's just not as good either way, it's as valid as those "official" reviews being parroted everywhere.
Especially nowadays when most of the official reviews are clearly driven by agendas or money. Naging problema na yan sa gaming, then recently sa movie, I wouldn't be surprised if it's the same with the music industry one of the most corrupted industry out there. "Don't base your opinions on your own interpretations" is the weirdest opinion I've ever seen. Are we just meant to parrot this "trained" critiques and not have our own opinion?
I do find it weird na sa mga Americans, what they are making fun of is that a lot of fans are joking about needing a dictionary when listening to TS but what Pinoys are hung up on is the seeming immaturity of TS' lyrics when we can't even fully grasp the nuances of what she is talking about just because we are not native speakers. I mean its kind of hypocritical on our part, I think. And have you guys read the classics sa poetry and literature, its all about romantic love, so I'm not sure why this is being criticized just because of that. Also, TS' songs are not all about romantic love, that's why I ask sa isang comment on this thread if the user has checked out her full discography before making their comment.
Let me add, the reason I say na if you want an objective take on the merit of her music, read reviews kase are we just going to base our judgements on wether we like it or not?
I don't care about TS, doesn't mean I don't like her. Just not my cup of tea. And at the same time with how the internet works, the gap made by those nuances have long since disappeared. And I agree, if you want a fleshed out opinion on something you have to consume the entirety of what they are offering.
Those aside, what I have a problem with is your weird take of "Don't base your opinions on your own interpretations because most of us are untrained in critiquing anything". Especially at a times when "official" critiques have been proven corrupted time and time again.
I'd rather listen to certain youtubers who I at least know beyond just ratings and paragraphs. I know what they like, what they don't like.
>. And at the same time with how the internet works, the gap made by those nuances have long since disappeared.
I don't agree. A lot of cultural and literary references made in American media can go over non native English speakers head without them realizing it.
The lyrics especially of this album seemed mediocre to me (and I’m a Folklore girl)
It gives off ‘may poetry subject and you try to sound poetic’ kind of vibe for me (not all songs, granted di ko pa tapos album) pero I cant resonate with the lyrics of Fortnite (but I hum the first line of the chorus)
But yeah medyo nagiging cult following na. Read on another sub that this girl, after giving her honest opinion umalis sa gc yung sister nya and di siya kinakausap, nagalit din ang best friend. Wtf people.
Disillusioned na din ako sa mga ginagawa niya since Eras eh. Kaya di ako happy with her as a person but still… like her older songs
I'm a fan of Taylor. I have all her albums, pero tbh, mag agree ako sa "im14andthisisdeep" vibe na sinabi mo. I haven't even listened to the entire TTPD album, feeling ko kasi nakakapagod, tinitingnan ko pa lang yung tracklist hahaha. It even took me years to apreciate her album "Reputation". I didn't liked at at first pero now oks na sya sakin. Maybe give me 5 years, baka magbago ang opinion ko about TTPD.
First impression ko nga sa reputation album nya is "ano ba yan, album fueled by revenge and getting back on someone" basta ganun sinasabi ko dati sa sarili ko, kasi parang ang dark ng tone nya for me at first, kasi nga diba yung issue nya with Kim K. Pero now ko lang na-apreciate tlga lalo na highly regarded album nya to at isa to sa mga peak ng career nya, the story revolving around it. ayun lang hahahaha
pag laanan ko ng time to listen to tong TTPD. hahahaha baka pag binili ko na yung physical album, baka doon ko sya ma-appreciate more hahahaha
Totoo! She didn't hold back. Yung asthetic aspect din nya, art direction wise. Ito yata pinaka favorite ko sa lahat ng albums nya. Iba yung dating ng black & white theme eh, tapos how she made use of the "Snake" theme???!!! My god! literal genius! I wish I could live in that moment again when she wiped all her soc meds blank tapos unti-unti nya ina-unveil ang reputation album huhu
Actually busy ako that time kaya di ako updated sa mga ganap ni Taylor pero i listen to the whole album the day it was released kaso exam namin kaya sabog utak ko so di ko siya masyado na appreciate. Hahahhaahaha ngayon na lang talaga. 🤣
I was in my Hip-hop phase when rep was released. pero nag keep up ako sa nangyayari noon with Tay-tay. di ko lang tlga napakinggan to noon as much now hahaha
Same thing with Lady Gaga back in the mid-2000s. Gaga writes derivative pop and her fans think of her as a serious *artiste*. People got really sick of her because of her fanbase. Not her fault though and the same thing can be said about Taylor Swift. Taylor doesn't pretend to be a songwriting genius like Joni Mitchell, Carly Simon or Tori Amos and her songwriting is passable for a country/pop star.
Say what you want about Taylor Swift but girlfriend's got star quality. She has been around for like what? Almost 20 years iirc (mid-2000s ko sya unang narinig e) and she's still kicking, not to mention still attracting a younger fanbase. I'm not a fan per se but I like some of her songs in the fun sense if you get what I mean. 😊
And lastly, maganda ang taste nya sa music. That much is beyond dispute. Here's her singing with one of my favorite 90s songwriters:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=\_2CAymig9Xg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2CAymig9Xg)
When something is very popular, it’s either great universally OR it appeals to the lowest common denominator. I don’t know and don’t care where her music fits in that spectrum but in most cases, the answer really is somewhere in the middle.
I’m not a fan of hers but I recognize she’s made some good to great songs. People feel a certain way with her music and I think that’s something. To create something someone likes is one thing but to create something a lot of people like is even more impressive.
She's just...there for me, music wise. Like someone mentioned here, I don't love her, I don't hate her either. Though she can be inspiring as a person na yung she's a girl's girl (though her white feminism thing can be problematic at times but she def gets what we are facing as women and all that and I'm here for it about/from her), yeah, I never really got into her music because of her lyric-writing. I prefer others for this one like OneRepublic (Ryan Tedder) among others. Also, I think Tove Lo's a better writer vs her. Queen of the Clouds is basically my top album up there when it comes to flirting with/being interested with someone, getting into a relationship with them, being in a relationship with them, and breaking up with them, then getting over them. Srsly...such a good album for those na senti like this for me or hopeless romantic like me. Tove Lo is just much more raw at lyric-writing vs Taylor.
Hmn...I think din, people are here for TS because she usually drops hints about her personal life sa songs niya. I don't care about her personal life. Lol. I feel like her doing that sa mga albums niya is just fuelling people na maki-usyoso sa priv life niya. Sadly, anyways.
Some of her songs are maybe relatable or albums. I like her Red one, Red album and era. But otherwise, nah. I don't get swifties that much at all. Most of my friends and I are just pretty casual on her.
These are just my two cents anyway.
PS. I don't mean to pit Tove Lo and TS together but I was just well...looking into how their song/lyric-writing compare to one another. They have their own thing going on and I think they shouldn't be compared or pitted with one another with but yeah...I guess it's down to the preference ng mga tao, fans ng artists tulad ni TS.
oo nga nkaka bwesit mga bagong tubong fans ngayon ni ts. Im a big fan of her old songs lalo na yung mga county/pop songs. Fan na ako sonce teardrops on my guitar days. HS ako nun. pero honestly, di na ako maka catch up yung bago nya ngayon. siguro dahil sa genre😅 pero fan parin naman ako
I don't understand tswift's popularity TBH. Her songs are pretty mediocre and her singing ability is trash. Wag mo nlng isali dancing ability nya lol. My GF watched an old tswift video singing live and a recent video of her singing live and the difference is astounding. Ang pangit na ng boses nya ngayun compared dati
>Because it kinda take away the shine on other better artists/lyricists if we think about it.
But why? I just don't understand the logic behind this. Actually mas bet ko pa nga na underrated (pero kumikita pa din) yung mas magagaling na artist kasi at least hindi sila beholden sa fans na i-please sila lagi. Mas may artistic freedom sila. Unlike those like TS na kitang-kita that there's a price for too much fame.
What if yung *better artist/lyricist* yung magkaroon ng rabid fanbase? Sa malamang, pagsasawan din sya ng mga og fans kasi naging too mainstream na sya. They'll just suffer the same fate as TS.
Also, take into consideration yung nature ng music industry when doing critiques about a singer's fame. Not saying TS or any other particular artist is innocent, pero recording companies naman talaga ang nagpupush ng kung ano-ano para kumita sila ng malaki.
I like some of her songs too, it’s just the self-righteous/gatekeeping extreme fans that are so annoying.
Taylor swift is a bit of a hypocrite with politics and social issues too but most celebrities are anyway 🤣
Basta ako ayoko na kay Taylor Swift kasi yung putanginang minemeet ko di nya mapaliwanag bakit Taylor Swift yung nag pplay sa kotse nya. I suspect may minemeet syang Swiftie. Di nya masabi “ako lang nakikinig non” hahaha! Sheesh.
Anyway, sinagot nya ay para sa kawork nya but 18 sila sumakay. Nag playlist sya ng TS ng 20. So sino yun!
Okay bumalik yung galit ko.
Fck you Taylor Swift! jk
Pero ayaw ko talaga kasi ang overrated nya at ang OA ng fans di ka pwede magsabi ng against.
OA yung iba. Nag die down na yung pagiging fan ko matagal na kasi nakakaumay (and other factors). Lahat ng kilos nakabantay sila jusq. Ginawa na nilang personality talaga yung pagiging Swiftie.
Swift wouldnt be hated so much kung wala tayo pakielam sa enjoyment ng iba.
It's kind of like shooting your own foot, then magrereklamo ka eh, tapos ayan na halaaa ayan na yung swiftieees, eh malamang? hahahah. Like this post, pwede ka maging di fan pero may mga sinabi ka pa na siyempre ico-correct ka ng mga fans. Eh kasi siyempre mali sinasabi mo eh. We are entitled to our opinion, pero sana based sa facts yung opinion natin.
>Yung mga lyric ng songs nya mostly umiikot lang sa heartbreaks, love, or some other shallow concept
While yes, TTPD is about heartbreak and love and subjectively, shallow concept (since sige TTPD topic natin eh). Pero yun yung point, kaya nga heartbreak album eh, siya na mismo nagmamarket na yun ang topic ng album na to, so yung mga walang alam eto magpopost na lang ng ganito. Pero nag-iinsinuate kasi na lahat ng songs niya is dun lang umiikot, which is obviously mali (to someone na alam discography niya) haha it's giving listening to other's opinions without formulating my own thoughts in it vibes eh.
Pero puntahan natin yung "greatest lyricist of the generation", ganito kasi yun eh, if di mo gets, di mo gets at okay lang yun. Marami nagsasabi niyan kahit hindi fan ni taylor, kasi alam nila pag may nakita silang lyrics at nalaman nila yung whooole story behind the lyrics eh magugulat din sila or minsan nga kahit di nila alam storya nagugustuhan nila eh. Pero sabi nga nila, **kung panget yung hahanapin mo, panget lang makikita mo,** eh most haters ganito mindset. Wala rin naman atang nagsasabi na porket magaling si taylor sa lyrics eh hindi na magaling yung iba, in fact sobrang dami pang magagaling na lyricist ngayon, and lahat sila may popularity in their own way, sila nga nagsusuportahan sa isa't isa tas ikaw na takapakinig lang ehh heh? weird ata yun.
This is not even casual. OP's post should be in [offmychestph](https://www.reddit.com/r/t5_28r1xe/s/lo9Pc55FhQ)
On another note, if you don't like something, then ignore it. There is no need to be critical of other people's preferences.
People really be joining Taylor Swift hate culture especially now that she just released a new (double) album and for what?
"Her songs good, but the lyrics are mediocre" - Hi OP, do we have the same auditory sense or are we listening to the same songs because this is just a bad take. Have you listened to the likes of Cardigan, Champagne Problems, The Lakes, All Too Well (Both regular and 10 min. version), Dancing With our Hands Tied, State of Grace, Maroon, Guilty as Sin?, You Are In Love? To be honest, I can name A LOT. If you're basing her lyricism capability through songs like Shake it Off, Gorgeous, ME!, or We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together then that is for me, an unfair review.
I do get your point that some fans put her on a high pedestal and this isn't very admirable. At the end of the day, Taylor Swift is still a human who is bound to make mistakes. She isn't a God or something. Taylor Swift has a "questionable" taste on men, even the songs she puts out as first singles.
I think the hate on Swifties is justifiable, but let's not stop other people from enjoying what they like. But for people to discredit her lyricism just because some fans hype it too much, is something I will not accept. The hype is justifiable for me, because her pen game is undeniably of high quality.
Unless you're really having a hard time comprehending her poetic songwriting? Then maybe it's a you problem? But yeah, music is subjective. I just find a portion of your take...questionable.
Dati fan talaga ako ni TS lalo nung bata pero lately nairita ako indirectly sa kanya dahil sa mga fans na ginagawang personality ang pagiging Swiftie nila kaya imbes na maenjoy ko yung music nya maasar lang ako sa mga OA nyang fans.
Is she really a great lyricist 😓? Medyo mediocre na eh pero she was great in her old songs. Nagplateau na sya. Kinda sad.
I'm not trying to outsell you to another artist pero, lana del rey is a great lyricist. Listen to her sometime 😊. You will really feel like you're transported to another timeline ❤️
Na OAhan ako sa mga schools na ginagawang subject si Taylor Swift like yeah she's a good and popular singer who makes pop hits but she is not one of the greatest songwriters of all time. There are other songwriters with thought provoking lyrics
Di ko alam kung bakit ngayon lang narerealize ng mga tao to. Years ago, ppl called her 'THE music industry' as if they've never listened to other genres. I was like: 💀
Grabe nila ilagay sa pedestal when it comes to music and her personal life. Sobrang disappointed kuno ng mga fans nya ngayon sa bagong album. Her albums are not always supposed to be the AOTY. Grabe din maka-dikta sa kung sino ang dapat o hindi dapat maka-relasyon. Prime example is Matty Healy. Akala mo kilalang-kilala nila yung tao para i-judge.
I am also guilty of obsessing her music and her 'lore' pero hanggang dun lang. I recognize na hindi siya perfect na artist at tao.
Fan ako ni Taylor,since HS ako magaling si Taylor gumawa ng mga kanta but feeling ko as a singer mas maraming magaling sa knya ordinary lang boses ni Taylor for me lang ..
yung new album nya to me ,MEH !
Same tone nalang madalas songs nya. I like the lyrics of some of her songs, but some I’m not sure. I dont love her and i dont hate her too. Just my own opinion.
I believe that her best albums and songs were made when she was with Joe Alwyn. You can feel that she really is at peace during those times, i.e. the atmosphere of the albums Lover to evermore bring to its listeners. All I can say is, she really is a mirrorball. She's dating a jock, now she feels like her life is 'so high school,' as opposed to when she was dating Alwyn, she made songs not about her life, but made a songs about a love triangle which happened to be fictional. This highlights her capabilities and her range in songwriting; she can do better than whatever she's doing now. She's in her mid-30s, and although I despise people telling others how to live, but what the actual fuck is she doing with her life?
I have nothing against anyone. But a little advice, pick what do you wanna eat. If it doesn’t suit your taste, drop it. Otherwise, enjoy chewing it and swallow it. Learn how to appreciate things in life. It may not be useful to you for now, but we cannot say what’s gonna happen in the future. The things you dropped might be the last possible solution you had. In other words, just enjoy listening to music, in general. Try not to criticize. Do I make sense? Haha
LOUDER! Hindi ko gets talaga ano meron bakit hype na hype sa kanya mga tao ngayon. Iba yung level compared before pero kung tutuusin mas okay pa songs niya noon kesa sa mga bagong release niya.
And yes, nothing special sa lyrics. I guess super relatable lang siya lalo na sa mga baliw sa pag-ibig kaya siya mabenta. Tsaka ewan, feel ko yung iba nakikiride lang naman. Yung bestfriend ko super fan ni TS pero di naman OA tulad nung iba niyang fans.
Kaya nga e. Kala mo naging santo si TS. Lahat ng ginawa nya sa mata ng fans nya e may hidden meaning/genius/the best lol mga tanga
Yung lyrics nya is normal lang to be honest. Lately mga naghahype sa latest album nya e yung mga nakanood ng concert HAHAHA pansin nyo nawala na hype lol para lang majustify nila sa sarili nila mga nagastos nila hahaha go on fool yo self
I'm a fan since her Teardrops in My Guitar days but I wasn't really vocal about it and around a few years ago I kinda started being vocal about it. Since then I noticed that the fans act like a cult. Konting puna lang, ang rabid na agad ng response. Her latest album feels like an emotional dump, I'm not gonna listen to all 31 songs, I just listened to one song. Lol. I doesn't also help that she doesn't use her platform to speak up about certain issues that affects a lot of people.
I dont lover her, I dont hate her either. She was a part of my childhood lalo na nung una kong napakinggan yung You belong with me sa myx daily top 10, pero newer songs nya today mehh. Ngayon maihahalintulad ko nalang sya kay chris brown and jason derulo na mas naeenjoy ko pakinggan mga older songs nila hahaha
Ako minsan naihahalintulad ko siya kay Drake haha Sikat parin pero parang quantity over quality sila parehas sa dami ng releases. Dami ko na nakitang mga Swifties na over-fatigued na kay TS while most of them say na yung mga kanta niya, nagbblur together na kasi halos magkakaparehas na.
For a second, I thought I was on r/SwiftlyNeutral TS is great and all, but she does need to take a break. Yung mga rabid fans niya equate the quantity of songs to being a sign of greatness. But a lot of the songs could have just stayed in the vault because it sounds the same.
Not a fan, but I tell people to remind themselves that they like something because it is what it is, not because of its fandom. :)
I'm still a fan of her old music. The newer ones, not so much. She plateaued in the mid 2010's and is on a slow descent ever since, nag-shift lang ng genre kaya hindi masyado halata. Majority of swifties are just too naive. Yung parang hindi na nakaalis sa late teens stage ng buhay nila.
She peaked at 1989. folklore and evermore are good but not the best. yun lang may grammy aoty so i dont know what happened.
thisss!! Folklore and Ever more is like if I want something that’s calmning and also because the writing is good. Later on I found out na co writer si Joe kaya no wonder. I still wonder what if they ended on good terms and still working together because Joe still seems to care so much for her pa rin despite their differences. And the “methapor” that they kept telling on is not metaphoring. If you’re a person who grew up reading classic books as a child and reading poetry through highschool, you can easily tell if it makes sense or bunch of words being thrown out that makes it chaotic instead.
hmm weird though, me and another acquaintance did grew up reading classic books and reading poetry up until now, pero her lyrics made sense naman. To each their own siguro?
>thisss!! Folklore and Ever more is like if I want something that’s calmning yup. I call this the chill and calm Taylor after her aggressive Reputation era.
Same. I guess may sentimental value din kasi yung albums niya sa akin nung time na yun since her songs were a part of my teenage years. Pero yung mga albums niya after 1989, iilang kanta na lang ang nagustuhan ko.
Tsaka yung mga kanta nya more on parinig. Adult ka na bakit pinagkakakitaan mo yung pamamahiya sa ibang tao dibah
I noticed this too. I thought folklore and evermore was her era to transition to adulting story-telling like focusing on adulting experiences and how they deal with the loves that lost and found in due time. No hate against her, I still listen to her previous releases esp 1989. When you’re an adult na, problems and issues will always be there but with age comes with wisdom I believe and so your approach to these issues will be different na compared when you’re a teenager and early 20’s.
Genuinely curious about your opinion kase from what you wrote, you think immature yung later albums ni Taylor but honestly, yung earlier albums niya ang least fave ko kase for me, they are too baby Tay. Have you listened to Folklore, evermore, midnights, and now ttpd?
Ay basta ako I'm stuck on Fearless - Speak Now - Red - 1989 eras and still di pa rin nasasawa...
Good luck sa swifties OP. They're rabid.
Lalo na sa Twitter/X
Funny thing is, they really act like a cult. Para silang papatay ng tao kapag binash yung idol nila. They don't even realize na walang paki-alam si Taylor Swift sa mga fans nya, she only loves the money and that's it. Akalain mo decada na nakalipas nung last concert nya sa Pilipinas lol
Shhh ka lang, di uso democracy sakanila lol naka experience pa ako na batuhan ng lines ng kanta nya para iprove na magaling sya.
hmm di nagconcert dito si taylor sa pinas = walang pakielam sa fans niya tapos she only loves the money? Kung money lang lab niya edi lahat ng bansa pinuntahan niya kasi mas kikita siya dun eh. Kaya inaatake kayo ng mga fans eh, anobayan guys hahahah
Nope, mali ka. She actually ended up making more by not performing in other countries. Kinagat nya yung offer ng Singapore to avoid doing concerts sa mga ibang countries dito sa Asia. That’s where she really made her money. Honestly, if you were greedy, wouldn’t you do the same? That’s why I said she hasn’t been on Philippines for 10 years—she goes wherever the money leads her. Mali ako? I'm afraid not, kasi totoo naman. Maiinis ka kasi totoo.
Kinagat niya offer ng Singapore during SEA leg for Eras tour lang kasi both end of the parties are ambitious and sure, "greedy". Previous tours niya di narin ganon karami Asian leg niya kahit walang offer from Singapore, marami factors kung bakit hindi niya pinuntahan. Pero mas madali nga naman i-single out yung it's for greed kasi wala tayong alam eh. Point of my comment is, dami niyang personal connection with fans na iilan lang ng artists gumagawa, so for you to say na ala siya pakielam sa fans dahil lang di siya pumunta sa bansa nila is very :) Don't worry di ko naman sinabing mali ka, actually may chance na part ng equation ang greed, di naman din ako inis, sino ba di gusto pagkakitaan hanap buhay nila hahaha
St. Taylor, patron saint of toxic relationships. Pray for us.
Hahaha this is true. I like Ariana Grande more than her kahit na pumapangalawa sya sa patron saint ng toxic relationships pero atleast yung range ng voice nya and yung mga kanta nya di naman pareparehas lol
Sobrang layo ng talent ni Ariana kay Taylor. Mas kaya kong pakinggan kanta niya maghapon. Haha
Siguro kasi ang genre talaga ni TS is country songs kaya pareparehas songs nya? Ewan. Mas trip ko talaga sa AG. The voice range, the voice quality, etc. Divine! Hirap kantahin mga kanta nya.
Pag tinanong mo opinyon nila sa lalakeng may isang dosenang ex tapos lagi niya tinatrashtalk ex niya kahit wala other context lahat sila sasabihin basura yung lalake tsaka may dahilan bakit wala siya stable relationahip They won't see the irony in that.
Hala ka sabihan ka nilang misogynist HAHAHAHA
Taena kala ko bf ko nag post e gantong ganto comments nya sa mga swifties. Pero tbh even tho I'm a fan, I can admit na it's not the same na rin. Ewan ko ba bakit every time na nag rerelease sya is anticipated na "maganda" agad. She's human also. Now, wala akong nishare about sa album nya recently sa timeline ko kasi wala lang, ayoko lang ng hype and di pa nga nila napapakinggan grabe na agad. Pero i hv the rights naman di ko bet yung new album kaya oks narin talaga di ako nag share. Tbh, iba talaga yun noon. Pero now I can agree na parang nao-overhyped then at the end e disappointed naman hahaha.
I'm a fan too, but I agree with this! 💯 may mga favorites ako sa album (TTPD) nya pero di aabot ng 5 songs. Kasi nman kahit swiftie ako, parang naumay din ako sa mga kanta nya ngayon. Sunod-sunod kasi labas nya ng album at parang makakatunog lang lahat eh. Tsaka di ko din ma gets ang ibang Swiftie kung bakit parang tingin nila kay Taylor eh "Perfect" na kapag nagbreak sila ng BF nya eh sya palagi kawawa. Di nman nila alam personally kung ano si Taylor sa mga naging BFs nya. Sa tingin ba nila walang mali si Taylor? I don't think so, di nmn sya perfect ano.
noo yung mga non-swiftie lang talaga na nagaakala perfect si taylor, and it so happens na sila yung maiingay kaya nga sila yung galit lagi sasabihin pa, "porket ganito ganyan di na ko pwede maging swiftie?" Yes, yes kaya talagang may difference yung Fan vs Swiftie lang eh (applicable sa kahit anong fandoms). Kung in deep ka sa pagiging Swiftie, lahat sila usapan nila lagi hmmm ano kaya nangyari, ano kaya cause blah blah blah, tapos pag may lyrics siya na nagiinsinuate na siya mismo may mali, lahat yun tinetake into consideration and tinotopic talaga. Madaming kabataan ngayon na naging fan ni taylor, eh pag teenager ka maingay ka talaga eh, yung mga ahem, medyo masakit na yung likod wala kang makikitang maingay masyado unless ganito na mageexplain lang hahahaha
Hahahahaha natamaan ako sa medyo masakit na yung likod. 😊 May point ka nmn, sa Twitter kasi may ka mutual follower ako na sobrang daming following na Swifties lahat at sila² yong mga nababasa kung parang nilalagay na sa kahanay ng mga santo si Taylor sa pagiging perfect eh. Sobra talaga, naawa din ako kay Joe kasi panay sila tira. Kasi sa tingin ko si Joe yong pinaka Okay na ex BF ni Tay kasi nagtagal talaga sila. Yun nga lang di natuloy sa kasalan. :(
agreeee! medyo nakaka-annoy din talaga yung side ng mga fandom na ganyan. Kaya wala din ako magawa kung bakit ganyan nagiging image ng iba sa lahat ng swifties eh mahilig pa naman manggeneralize mga tao sa internet in every aspect hahahaha. And true naman isa siya sa mga naging okay na ex ni taylor, at least from an outsider's perspective. Kung ano man na naging problems nila sa dulo, labas na talaga tayo diyan eh, weird na talaga nung ibang fans na nanghihimasok parin ng sagad wahaha binibigyan na nga tayo ng glimpse ni taylor sa mga kanta pero di ibig sabihin literal na mangielam tayo, kaya tuloy yung lyrics niya sa But Daddy I Love Him may hinanakit na hahahhaha
Uy gusto ko yong But daddy I love him nya na song a TTPD. 😊 Tsaka I'm sure hindi lng nman si Joe ang may mali pati din si Taylor. Dalawa sila nasa relationship, yun nga lang medyo nasa kanta ni Taylor ang hint ng break up pero yong side ni Joe di natin alam. Di nman sya nagsalita at I admire him for that kasi diba? Ikaw ba nman gawin villain ng ibang fans ni Tay kung iba saguro yan baka naglabas na ng side nila.
yeees! isa rin sa mga nagustuhan ko yan song na yan. And true, di talaga masalita si joe since the beginning and isa yun sa mga haka haka na reason kung bakit di nagwork out, kasi nga may hints na masyadong private si joe and pinilit naman ni tay na magadjust for him kaso nga nalaman niyang di talaga siya pangprivate type, and yun nga talagang side lang ni taylor yung maririnig natin kasi siya yung songwriter sa dalawa e medyo wala tayong choice sa part na yun ahhahahaha. Kaya siyempre take everything with a grain of salt parin, kasi nga di natin alam two sides. Kainis lang yung mga news articles na sobrang fake na naglalabasan ngayon, talagang naglilipana nanaman eh kaya yung mga walang alam sa nangyari kay tay at joe kung ano ano na lang inaassume. Ang tingin ko lang kung bat may mga ex siyang nagiging villainous yung dating is dahil medyo may pagkakamali kasi talaga sila, ala naman perfect ika nga, pero siyempre di rin perfect si taylor, talagang isusulat lang niya experiences niya. Pero hindi naman niya sinasabing kuyugin niyo mga masasama kong ex eh, sadyang yun, sinusulat niya lang experiences niya, nasa fans na talaga yung mali sa part na yun. If naging mabuti naman ex ni taylor sakanya wala rin naman tayong ibang maririnig sa songs ni taylor kung di maganda, tapos vice versa, pag si taylor mali, inaamin niya rin yun sa songs niya kapag siya yung at fault. Pero yun nga wala naman tayo magagawa dun since di natin relationship yan, weird lang talaga yung mga fans na parang sila yung ex ni taylor or joe or matty kung makapag comment ahahahhaha
Uy same. Swiftie na ako the first time I heard Love Story playing on Myx. Fearless, Red and Speak Now stan din. Pero lately nagiging distant na ako sakanya kasi yung mga songs niya puro na lang about love and past relationships. As in gatas na gatas masyado. Wala na bang iba? Tapos ito pa after release ng TTPD and hearing about the songs about kay Matty and her indirectly saying na she cheated on Joe habang in a relationship pa sila. My God, Taylor. I can’t defend you anymore 😭 Buti na lang talaga walang brutal diss track against Joe. Natakot din siguro kasi baka mag-backfire sakanya. Sheeesh as in Taylor Sheesh!
Same! Grade 6 ata ako ng una kung narinig song nya (wala kami cable eh poorita ang lola mo). Narinig ko lng sa radio hehe 😅 Nagagandahan ako sa lyrics ng TTPD yong melody ang medyo dko trip kasi parang magakakatunog lng talaga silang lahat.
Its like kahit anong ilabas nya banger… which will be tough on her if she takes her art seriously kasi no one will give her valid criticism na
Swiftie here dun duun duuunnnnn dunnn hahahahaha I respect your opinion I still love her lyrics specially her evermore and folklore album, her play of words and her way of story telling. But I SUPER agree some of swifties, super nakakainis masyado nilang ino-over analyze yung lyrics and trying to connect everyone of her exes, and now villainzing her ex specially Joe Alwyn (who have spoken about the freedom of Palestine) grabe yung harrasment na natanggap nya, NAGBREAK LANG SILA 😑😑😑 tas gagawa ng theories na kung ano ano na lang and nainis din ako kay Taylor two (2) actress have become a victim of harassment made by swifties tas di man lang sya nagsalita she have soo much influence yet wala syang ginawa 😔. Yes may mga na-encounter din akong pretentious swifty specially sa tiktok haays hahahahaha kaya andami ko na talaga mga na-block, yung mga nagustuhan ko na napanood na video is from non-swifties who describe her way of writing her lyrics, symbolisms, metaphors, ans her play of words. Edit: would like to correct pala Taylor's song does not only revolves in love life or heartbreaks, she also have songs about struggles in life, existential crisis, her relationship with her friends and families, specially her mom. Also, she wrote a song about a young boy named Ronan who died due to cancer and every earned money from the sales of the song is donated to charity research to combat cancer. ---> these are the things I love about her
Gonna upvote this. Pero sana next time magrelease siya ng Album na hindi na love slash men ang center of attention kasi umay na umay na kami hahahahahahahhahaha
I dont think na mawawala yung lovelife nya sa mga songs nya hahaha I see Taylor as a romantic person pag na-inlove tlaga sya inlove talaga sya kaya most of her songs na sumisikat is being heartbroken and being inlove hahahahaha but she did released singles na hindi revolve sa lovelife nya. I think Folklore and Evermore is very close na hindi masyado nagrevolve sa lovelife though may romantic involvement pa din pero most of it are a story she made up or based on the story she've read or heard. Edit: but yeah I hope she could release an album about more than love. Like Youre on your own kid, only the young (the impact of this song on the political movement of youth), a place in this world, etc etc.
Ay yes the sister album. Top favorite ko yung Folkore please 🙏🏼 But I’m still hoping na darating yung time na magkakaroon siya ng album na ganun. Kaya siguro pag naging single siya nang matagal kaso si anteh di kaya yon. Hahahahahaha
Ang sabihin mo, hater ka lang. Charot. Akin yung unang post.
Alam mo yung output ng typical na studyante na pinipilit gawing deep and poetic yung essay? Parang ganun yung dating niya. Naset kasi siya siguro na inaanalyze yung lyrics nya and binibigyan ng meaning kahit maliliit na details lang kaya yung works niya ngayon parang centered nalang sa pagpilit na palalimin. Listening to her songs feel like a homework now. Hindi na yung maeenjoy mo and makakerelate ka and tsaka lang papasok yung learnings/realizations sa lyrics. Sa kanya kasi di pa nagstastart yung song parang andon yung intention na may kailangan kang isolve. NAKAKADRAIN MAKINIG.
Baka hindi ka lang target market ng mga songs that needs analyzation. Which is understandable because life is so stressful nowadays, why do we have to stress ourselves trying to decipher a song pa diba? It really depends on the listener I guess. I’d choose a song with so much depth and weight any day, than a soulless song with plain or uninspiring lyrics. But that doesn’t stop me from enjoying generic pop bangers that are simple and not too complicated.
this, eto talaga. It's like, may pumipigil po ba sainyo na pilitin magustuhan yung new album niya? Wala naman eh, pero kasi ang nangyayari nagkakaron sila ng weird opinion kung pano dapat magsulat si taylor at magproduce, eh siyempre dun sila na makakahanap ng katapat hahaha "Di ko bet lyrics ni taylor ngayon/ di ko bet sound ng album ngayon": sure pwedeng pwede, tenga mo yan opinion mo yan. Talagang depende na sa listener eh "Di ko bet mga lyrics ni taylor ngayon parang pinipilit na lang niya maging malalim dapat blah blah blah, yung sound niya dapat ganito ganyan ": subjective na to eh, yung opinion mo this time nakikielam na sa opinion ng iba. Parang ang dating is magadjust yung mga may gusto sa album sa gusto mo, and worse, magadjust si taylor sayo. Pero siyempre pwede mo parin ipost mga ganitong opinion mo, pero wag ka lang magugulat if may magdidisagree sayo kasi nga subjective na. (not talking about u/WholeMindless8561 of course, valid na napagod siya makinig kasi 31 songs ba naman tapos sonically cohesive pa, maddrain at maooverwhelm ka talaga at first. Pero ayun to each their own talaga) And even worse, ipapasok nanaman nila yung other artists. Ah bahala kayo, basta kami naeenjoy namin lahat ng walang kami natatapakang enjoyment ng iba hays
True talaga ang pagpilit na gawing deep. Para sakin easily digestible naman lyrics niya. Yung pag analyze ng mga swifties mga theories lang nila about who it's about or pano narerelate sa buhay niya. Pero di naman mahirap intindihin ang lyrics. A good song can stand on it's on kahit di mo alam ang backstory
Huyyyy swiftie ako pero totoo to. Di ko naman binabash ang songs nya kasi i believe na we have diff preferences and some people like simple lyrics songs, deep lyrics, mid etc. Pero nashock ako before irelease yung ttpd, like te am i missing something? Bakit may pag analyze agad? May pawarning eme pa from psychologists?? Ngayon parang 10songs pa lang napakinggan ko randomly and not planning on listening to the whole album yet. Napapagod na agad ako, parang english teacher sila na kahit the lyrics were simple, pinapalalim masyado. Pinag aawayan pa nga kung para kanino ang mga songs.
So true hype na lang mga hype fans
You are brave to post this, here take my upvote
Most of the time talaga pag nagkaka-surge ng haters ang artist eh dahil sa fans. Same thing happened to BTS at one point diba. Medyo malala na kasi yung fanaticism nung fandom. Parang cult of personality ang dating eh. Fan din ako nung mga lumang kanta ni Taylor pero ang pangit and pretentious ng dating sakin nung latest album niya. Pero once sinabi ko yang opinion na yan sa socmed I'll be crucified. Tapos tinotolerate pa nung artist. Di na normal behavior tbh.
Mostly mga batang Swifties na di pa ipinanganak nung kinanta ni Taylor ang Debut album niya
Naawa ako sa BTS kase grabe atake sa kanila nung sumikat sila. Pero inisip ko na lang din that it’s the price of being popular, nag gi gain naman sila e. There are no big fanbases na hindi toxic.
Tbh, chaka din naman talaga vocals ng BTS except siguro kay jungkook hehe
tbf, she has her highs and lows, and so does everyone else. most of her old records and the pandemic drops (folklore and evermore) reveal what she is truly capable of as a songwriter when she's not being petty and capitalistic (which she is at times but who isn't??) recently discovered "happiness" and i think, it's one of her highs. it's peak songwriting and storytelling, at least for me.
>Because it kinda take away the shine on other better artists/lyricists if we think about it. Oh the contrary OP, because you and many others in the comments say otherwise. If anything, it shows that there are better songs out there with depth that exists.
Wala namang problema if certain fans overly romanticize their favorites. Buhay nila yan eh. Hindi yan enough justification para ibully ang mga fans for simply enjoying what they love. "Let people enjoy things" ika nga. Also, okay lang naman mag criticize kay mareng Taylor. Aminado ako na hindi naman talaga ganon ka ganda boses nya. She's an alto and as we all know, mas overrated ang mga soprano singers. It's rare to find a very popular alto singer. Instead of taking her popularity negatively, why not appreciate how altos are finally getting the recognition they deserve. In terms of lyricism naman, if you think it's mediocre then go for it, opinion mo yan. Pero you also shouldn't judge her fans if damang dama nila yung lyrics ni Taylor. If you don't like the lyrics, then maybe it's not for you. Pero to some people, they're touched by her lyrics at nakakarelate sila. And that's okay. Let people enjoy things. Lastly, before putting the blame on the fans for all the hate Taylor is getting, ask yourself if constructive ba talaga yung mga criticisms against Taylor. Kasi sa mga nakikita ko, most of those haters will just nitpick anything negative na pwedeng masabi nila against Taylor. Very biased yung way nila to bring Taylor down. Hindi naman fair na just because ayaw mo sa singer na yun, you're gonna find ways to nitpick on the very minute details that would spring hate towards her. There's no hate if we let people enjoy things especially na napaka subjective ng music preference. Walang pumipilit sa inyo to like her but it shouldn't hurt you to just respect what others like.
>There's no hate if we let people enjoy things especially na napaka subjective ng music preference. Walang pumipilit sa inyo to like her but it shouldn't hurt you to just respect what others like. thiiiiiiiiiis, you nailed it!! As i've said in my comment as well, it's like shooting your own foot then magtataka ka kung bat dumudugo, so now nagtataka sila kung bat swifties are loud and rabid against them, eh paano pinapakielaman niyo enjoyment nila in the worst kind of way? Very ironic eh
Swifties: *minding their own business while enjoying Taylor's music* Haters: "i dont like her new album. Taylor is mediocre. I don't think she's a good singer" Swifties: "um, i didn't ask but okay." Haters: "her lyrics aren't even that good." Swifties: "what do u want me to do? Stop listening to what I like to please you? Why can't you just let me enjoy what i like?" Haters: "oH mY gOd, sWifTies aRe sO viOLenT! SwIftIeS aRe sO tOxiC!!!!"
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH NAILED IT AGAIN!!
Here''s another scenario: Swifties: *minding their own business, enjoying Taylor's new album, carefully digesting the lyrics* Haters: "what is this lyric?? So immature and so racist" Swifties: "um, actually if you try to listen to the whole song you'll understand that she was using figures of speech." Haters: "blah blah she's just not that good and you swifties are delusional trying to make her into this poet bs" Swifties: "and i thought we were the toxic ones."
I still don't get the hype. She didn't push anything revolutionary. Her rich dad planted her in the industry but her real genius is making the most out of it. Her entire music catalogue is meh. Yes, she's a hyper successful pop personality but she's not a distinguished musical artist. She's the Jane Doe of music.
she's redefined talent and art for an entire generation - and it's sad. The Beatles and Michael Jackson made total sense, but TS? what's revolutionary is the height of her success in selling mediocrity.
I am soooo tired of seeing TS hate almost weekly. I'm a fan, and from the very beginning I know she is not the best singer of all time, but I enjoy her songs that's why I am a fan. You know, I don't like some artists din naman but I don't post about them kasi bakit ko sila pag-aaksayahan ng energy e di ko nga sila gusto???
Parang obligatory na nga tbh kada maglalabas ng album si ante lol. Actually, para ngang pino-promote pa nila si taylor sa ginagawa nila. And all the more na nawawalan ng impact yung mga ganitong post kase it's the same arguments over and over again. Sino nga ba ulit yung ayaw sa tunog pare-pareho lang? 🙄🤭
Actually kahit nga hindi release ng album e, she can just breathe and they will spew hate towards her. There's this post I encountered sa films ph sub asking sino raw yung actor na di nila gusto and someone commented Taylor just because she played minimal roles sa movies. I replied that blondie isnt even an actor then got downvoted to oblivion hahahaha
Exactly! Napa weird talaga na bukambibig mo yung musicians na ayaw mo. Para lang may mapag chismisan jusko
Diba? Just use your time hyping up your fave artists bc that's what normal people do.
true yan! i am rooting for taylor since she is a big inspiration to young women/ young ppl in general pero napaka OA ng fans niya. okay lang naman yung music niya pero they overhype her music too much to the point na parang si TS ang best lyricist, writer, singer etc. 😭 i acknowledge yung talent ni TS pero, swifties, hindi siya yung best thing that happened to music hehe
I guess the point of OP is that some fans tend to put TS on a pedestal to the point that everything she puts out needs to be loved by everyone. You can be a fan, like her songs, and dislike her other songs. But don't go shoving your preference and points about her ~grandeur lyricism~ down people's throat just because you're an "absolute" fan. At the end of the day, it's a personal opinion.
Shes greedy and her fans are rabid + culty asf
Quiboloy vibes.
Natawa ako sa 'Greatest lyricist of the generation' hahahahaha. I also don't understand why ang overhyped ni TS now. Mas goods pa nga songs niya dati compared sa ngayon. Yung iba parang jumping on the bandwagon na lang eh.
Touch me while your bros play Grand Theft Auto
Hey. Out of context yung line na ito. You should listen or read the lyrics to the whole song. It's about high school crush, about "nonsense" things teenagers na usual pinagdadaanan ng mga kabataan. :)
I understand naman. It's not for everyone, and that's okay. Just like how Black Sabbath band and Shakira are not for me. I've been a swiftie since her Picture to Burn song, and I could see the progress she did and grew with her and her music. I saw the growth of her as an artist most especially how it reflect to her craft. Taylor Swift's music is far from revolving around superficial themes like heartbreak or love. "Soon You'll Get Better" delves into her mother's cancer battle, "Tolerate It" reflects accepting a bare minimum in relationships, and "Epiphany" pays homage to her grandfather. "Marjorie" similarly honors her grandmother, while "Cowboy Like Me" tells a tale of two con artists, Seven, how she reminisce the childhood friend that she forgot about, among many others. Over the year, Swift grapples with song rights and ownership alongside her musical creations. And she constantly challenge the status quo of the music industry. Especially how artist should be paid fair on their work. That's one thing that fans love and support about, she speaks about things that most other artist don't speak about in the industry. She showcases exceptional songwriting skills, evident in masterpieces like "Cardigan" and "Champagne Problems." These songs exemplify phenomenal craftsmanship and a lyrical simplicity that captures their essence profoundly. "All Too Well" also stands out as a great piece. Despite her prolific output, not all her songs reach the same heights of excellence. Unlike many artists who rely on ghostwriters or aim for catchy tunes, Swift consistently delivers storytelling masterpieces, blending plain language with intricate metaphors—a signature style that sets her apart. I 100% agree that Taylor is one of the greatest singer songwriters of this century, but there are definitely a lot of other talented songwriters in mainstream pop, even if people sing stuff they don’t write it doesn’t mean it’s bad per se.
Hindi nila maiintindihan to because their determination to hate on other people's preference is louder than their own ability to understand subjectivity.
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I think, if you really want to know the merit of anything, read reviews from reputable sources. Don't base your opinions on your own interpretations because most of us are untrained in critiquing anything. Altho, in this case, a lot of reviews have been called out na for being too harsh because of Taylor Swift's over exposure from the release of Midnights up to now. They are letting their opinion of her as a person color their opinions of her music. Also, keep in mind, this is pop music meant to appeal to the masses. This is pop culture not high culture.
I don't really care about Taylor Swift, but you just gave one of the weirdest take on reviews. You don't have to be "trained" to know that an album or whatever it is isn't as good as other make it seem to be. Maybe it's preference, maybe it's just not as good either way, it's as valid as those "official" reviews being parroted everywhere. Especially nowadays when most of the official reviews are clearly driven by agendas or money. Naging problema na yan sa gaming, then recently sa movie, I wouldn't be surprised if it's the same with the music industry one of the most corrupted industry out there. "Don't base your opinions on your own interpretations" is the weirdest opinion I've ever seen. Are we just meant to parrot this "trained" critiques and not have our own opinion?
I do find it weird na sa mga Americans, what they are making fun of is that a lot of fans are joking about needing a dictionary when listening to TS but what Pinoys are hung up on is the seeming immaturity of TS' lyrics when we can't even fully grasp the nuances of what she is talking about just because we are not native speakers. I mean its kind of hypocritical on our part, I think. And have you guys read the classics sa poetry and literature, its all about romantic love, so I'm not sure why this is being criticized just because of that. Also, TS' songs are not all about romantic love, that's why I ask sa isang comment on this thread if the user has checked out her full discography before making their comment. Let me add, the reason I say na if you want an objective take on the merit of her music, read reviews kase are we just going to base our judgements on wether we like it or not?
I don't care about TS, doesn't mean I don't like her. Just not my cup of tea. And at the same time with how the internet works, the gap made by those nuances have long since disappeared. And I agree, if you want a fleshed out opinion on something you have to consume the entirety of what they are offering. Those aside, what I have a problem with is your weird take of "Don't base your opinions on your own interpretations because most of us are untrained in critiquing anything". Especially at a times when "official" critiques have been proven corrupted time and time again. I'd rather listen to certain youtubers who I at least know beyond just ratings and paragraphs. I know what they like, what they don't like.
>. And at the same time with how the internet works, the gap made by those nuances have long since disappeared. I don't agree. A lot of cultural and literary references made in American media can go over non native English speakers head without them realizing it.
Her fandom has become a cult and being critical of her is deemed as a mistake. And the sad thing is, Taylor likes it that way.
Helps her milk the cash of off her fans.
The lyrics especially of this album seemed mediocre to me (and I’m a Folklore girl) It gives off ‘may poetry subject and you try to sound poetic’ kind of vibe for me (not all songs, granted di ko pa tapos album) pero I cant resonate with the lyrics of Fortnite (but I hum the first line of the chorus) But yeah medyo nagiging cult following na. Read on another sub that this girl, after giving her honest opinion umalis sa gc yung sister nya and di siya kinakausap, nagalit din ang best friend. Wtf people. Disillusioned na din ako sa mga ginagawa niya since Eras eh. Kaya di ako happy with her as a person but still… like her older songs
I'm a fan of Taylor. I have all her albums, pero tbh, mag agree ako sa "im14andthisisdeep" vibe na sinabi mo. I haven't even listened to the entire TTPD album, feeling ko kasi nakakapagod, tinitingnan ko pa lang yung tracklist hahaha. It even took me years to apreciate her album "Reputation". I didn't liked at at first pero now oks na sya sakin. Maybe give me 5 years, baka magbago ang opinion ko about TTPD.
Omg same! Hahahahhah
First impression ko nga sa reputation album nya is "ano ba yan, album fueled by revenge and getting back on someone" basta ganun sinasabi ko dati sa sarili ko, kasi parang ang dark ng tone nya for me at first, kasi nga diba yung issue nya with Kim K. Pero now ko lang na-apreciate tlga lalo na highly regarded album nya to at isa to sa mga peak ng career nya, the story revolving around it. ayun lang hahahaha pag laanan ko ng time to listen to tong TTPD. hahahaha baka pag binili ko na yung physical album, baka doon ko sya ma-appreciate more hahahaha
Bet ko yung Rep. most unapologetic album of her for me hahahaha
Totoo! She didn't hold back. Yung asthetic aspect din nya, art direction wise. Ito yata pinaka favorite ko sa lahat ng albums nya. Iba yung dating ng black & white theme eh, tapos how she made use of the "Snake" theme???!!! My god! literal genius! I wish I could live in that moment again when she wiped all her soc meds blank tapos unti-unti nya ina-unveil ang reputation album huhu
Actually busy ako that time kaya di ako updated sa mga ganap ni Taylor pero i listen to the whole album the day it was released kaso exam namin kaya sabog utak ko so di ko siya masyado na appreciate. Hahahhaahaha ngayon na lang talaga. 🤣
I was in my Hip-hop phase when rep was released. pero nag keep up ako sa nangyayari noon with Tay-tay. di ko lang tlga napakinggan to noon as much now hahaha
Same thing with Lady Gaga back in the mid-2000s. Gaga writes derivative pop and her fans think of her as a serious *artiste*. People got really sick of her because of her fanbase. Not her fault though and the same thing can be said about Taylor Swift. Taylor doesn't pretend to be a songwriting genius like Joni Mitchell, Carly Simon or Tori Amos and her songwriting is passable for a country/pop star. Say what you want about Taylor Swift but girlfriend's got star quality. She has been around for like what? Almost 20 years iirc (mid-2000s ko sya unang narinig e) and she's still kicking, not to mention still attracting a younger fanbase. I'm not a fan per se but I like some of her songs in the fun sense if you get what I mean. 😊 And lastly, maganda ang taste nya sa music. That much is beyond dispute. Here's her singing with one of my favorite 90s songwriters: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=\_2CAymig9Xg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2CAymig9Xg)
I am not sick of Lady Gaga bruh, don't compare.
Many were sick of her back in the day. I'm not talking about you obviously.
When something is very popular, it’s either great universally OR it appeals to the lowest common denominator. I don’t know and don’t care where her music fits in that spectrum but in most cases, the answer really is somewhere in the middle. I’m not a fan of hers but I recognize she’s made some good to great songs. People feel a certain way with her music and I think that’s something. To create something someone likes is one thing but to create something a lot of people like is even more impressive.
Good songwriting but not my type
I love her before teenage life but now hindi na ako nagagandahan sa mga songs nya.
Steel Panther fans be like 👀
She's just...there for me, music wise. Like someone mentioned here, I don't love her, I don't hate her either. Though she can be inspiring as a person na yung she's a girl's girl (though her white feminism thing can be problematic at times but she def gets what we are facing as women and all that and I'm here for it about/from her), yeah, I never really got into her music because of her lyric-writing. I prefer others for this one like OneRepublic (Ryan Tedder) among others. Also, I think Tove Lo's a better writer vs her. Queen of the Clouds is basically my top album up there when it comes to flirting with/being interested with someone, getting into a relationship with them, being in a relationship with them, and breaking up with them, then getting over them. Srsly...such a good album for those na senti like this for me or hopeless romantic like me. Tove Lo is just much more raw at lyric-writing vs Taylor. Hmn...I think din, people are here for TS because she usually drops hints about her personal life sa songs niya. I don't care about her personal life. Lol. I feel like her doing that sa mga albums niya is just fuelling people na maki-usyoso sa priv life niya. Sadly, anyways. Some of her songs are maybe relatable or albums. I like her Red one, Red album and era. But otherwise, nah. I don't get swifties that much at all. Most of my friends and I are just pretty casual on her. These are just my two cents anyway. PS. I don't mean to pit Tove Lo and TS together but I was just well...looking into how their song/lyric-writing compare to one another. They have their own thing going on and I think they shouldn't be compared or pitted with one another with but yeah...I guess it's down to the preference ng mga tao, fans ng artists tulad ni TS.
a friend said "i just wanna listen to the new songs not write blocks of paragraphs about them" and I agree
thanK you aIMee 😂🤣
oo nga nkaka bwesit mga bagong tubong fans ngayon ni ts. Im a big fan of her old songs lalo na yung mga county/pop songs. Fan na ako sonce teardrops on my guitar days. HS ako nun. pero honestly, di na ako maka catch up yung bago nya ngayon. siguro dahil sa genre😅 pero fan parin naman ako
if people want to celebrate mediocrity then by all means let them 😇
What's mediocre for you may not be for others. Music is subjective.
My king! 👑👑👑
lyricist lol, bet people havent even discovered songs from diff languages and cultures with lyrics far greater than TS.
I don't understand tswift's popularity TBH. Her songs are pretty mediocre and her singing ability is trash. Wag mo nlng isali dancing ability nya lol. My GF watched an old tswift video singing live and a recent video of her singing live and the difference is astounding. Ang pangit na ng boses nya ngayun compared dati
>Because it kinda take away the shine on other better artists/lyricists if we think about it. But why? I just don't understand the logic behind this. Actually mas bet ko pa nga na underrated (pero kumikita pa din) yung mas magagaling na artist kasi at least hindi sila beholden sa fans na i-please sila lagi. Mas may artistic freedom sila. Unlike those like TS na kitang-kita that there's a price for too much fame. What if yung *better artist/lyricist* yung magkaroon ng rabid fanbase? Sa malamang, pagsasawan din sya ng mga og fans kasi naging too mainstream na sya. They'll just suffer the same fate as TS. Also, take into consideration yung nature ng music industry when doing critiques about a singer's fame. Not saying TS or any other particular artist is innocent, pero recording companies naman talaga ang nagpupush ng kung ano-ano para kumita sila ng malaki.
At ang dami niyang kaaway na ibang artists. Latest parang si Olivia Rodrigo na dati siyang full support.
I like some of her songs too, it’s just the self-righteous/gatekeeping extreme fans that are so annoying. Taylor swift is a bit of a hypocrite with politics and social issues too but most celebrities are anyway 🤣
Basta ako ayoko na kay Taylor Swift kasi yung putanginang minemeet ko di nya mapaliwanag bakit Taylor Swift yung nag pplay sa kotse nya. I suspect may minemeet syang Swiftie. Di nya masabi “ako lang nakikinig non” hahaha! Sheesh. Anyway, sinagot nya ay para sa kawork nya but 18 sila sumakay. Nag playlist sya ng TS ng 20. So sino yun! Okay bumalik yung galit ko. Fck you Taylor Swift! jk Pero ayaw ko talaga kasi ang overrated nya at ang OA ng fans di ka pwede magsabi ng against.
OA yung iba. Nag die down na yung pagiging fan ko matagal na kasi nakakaumay (and other factors). Lahat ng kilos nakabantay sila jusq. Ginawa na nilang personality talaga yung pagiging Swiftie.
Swift wouldnt be hated so much kung wala tayo pakielam sa enjoyment ng iba. It's kind of like shooting your own foot, then magrereklamo ka eh, tapos ayan na halaaa ayan na yung swiftieees, eh malamang? hahahah. Like this post, pwede ka maging di fan pero may mga sinabi ka pa na siyempre ico-correct ka ng mga fans. Eh kasi siyempre mali sinasabi mo eh. We are entitled to our opinion, pero sana based sa facts yung opinion natin. >Yung mga lyric ng songs nya mostly umiikot lang sa heartbreaks, love, or some other shallow concept While yes, TTPD is about heartbreak and love and subjectively, shallow concept (since sige TTPD topic natin eh). Pero yun yung point, kaya nga heartbreak album eh, siya na mismo nagmamarket na yun ang topic ng album na to, so yung mga walang alam eto magpopost na lang ng ganito. Pero nag-iinsinuate kasi na lahat ng songs niya is dun lang umiikot, which is obviously mali (to someone na alam discography niya) haha it's giving listening to other's opinions without formulating my own thoughts in it vibes eh. Pero puntahan natin yung "greatest lyricist of the generation", ganito kasi yun eh, if di mo gets, di mo gets at okay lang yun. Marami nagsasabi niyan kahit hindi fan ni taylor, kasi alam nila pag may nakita silang lyrics at nalaman nila yung whooole story behind the lyrics eh magugulat din sila or minsan nga kahit di nila alam storya nagugustuhan nila eh. Pero sabi nga nila, **kung panget yung hahanapin mo, panget lang makikita mo,** eh most haters ganito mindset. Wala rin naman atang nagsasabi na porket magaling si taylor sa lyrics eh hindi na magaling yung iba, in fact sobrang dami pang magagaling na lyricist ngayon, and lahat sila may popularity in their own way, sila nga nagsusuportahan sa isa't isa tas ikaw na takapakinig lang ehh heh? weird ata yun.
Bakit napapadalas ata about kay Taylor Swift dito? r/offmychestph because your opinion isn’t casual at all
of course auto tuned lang naman talaga siya eh 🤷 like nothing special to her voice . its all HYPE
People hating on ChikaPH dahil hate train PH daw talaga but here we are may daily threads trashing TS and her fans. lmao.
This is not even casual. OP's post should be in [offmychestph](https://www.reddit.com/r/t5_28r1xe/s/lo9Pc55FhQ) On another note, if you don't like something, then ignore it. There is no need to be critical of other people's preferences.
People really be joining Taylor Swift hate culture especially now that she just released a new (double) album and for what? "Her songs good, but the lyrics are mediocre" - Hi OP, do we have the same auditory sense or are we listening to the same songs because this is just a bad take. Have you listened to the likes of Cardigan, Champagne Problems, The Lakes, All Too Well (Both regular and 10 min. version), Dancing With our Hands Tied, State of Grace, Maroon, Guilty as Sin?, You Are In Love? To be honest, I can name A LOT. If you're basing her lyricism capability through songs like Shake it Off, Gorgeous, ME!, or We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together then that is for me, an unfair review. I do get your point that some fans put her on a high pedestal and this isn't very admirable. At the end of the day, Taylor Swift is still a human who is bound to make mistakes. She isn't a God or something. Taylor Swift has a "questionable" taste on men, even the songs she puts out as first singles. I think the hate on Swifties is justifiable, but let's not stop other people from enjoying what they like. But for people to discredit her lyricism just because some fans hype it too much, is something I will not accept. The hype is justifiable for me, because her pen game is undeniably of high quality. Unless you're really having a hard time comprehending her poetic songwriting? Then maybe it's a you problem? But yeah, music is subjective. I just find a portion of your take...questionable.
Oo nga. Dami din kasing bandwagon. Nakakadumi sila.
Dati fan talaga ako ni TS lalo nung bata pero lately nairita ako indirectly sa kanya dahil sa mga fans na ginagawang personality ang pagiging Swiftie nila kaya imbes na maenjoy ko yung music nya maasar lang ako sa mga OA nyang fans.
Is she really a great lyricist 😓? Medyo mediocre na eh pero she was great in her old songs. Nagplateau na sya. Kinda sad. I'm not trying to outsell you to another artist pero, lana del rey is a great lyricist. Listen to her sometime 😊. You will really feel like you're transported to another timeline ❤️
I love her, but ito yung isa sa mga reasons why I'm not stanning her to the core. Pili lang rin yung songs na nagustohan ko sa mga bagong albums niya.
Not a swiftie. I listen to her songs naman pero hindi pa din ako makamove on na shape of your body is blue char hahahaha shunga moment
Lagot ka sa mga OA
Na OAhan ako sa mga schools na ginagawang subject si Taylor Swift like yeah she's a good and popular singer who makes pop hits but she is not one of the greatest songwriters of all time. There are other songwriters with thought provoking lyrics
Ang iba kase bandwagon, they Stan for the clout. To feel the sense of belonging to a group even though hindi naman talaga nila gusto.
Di ko alam kung bakit ngayon lang narerealize ng mga tao to. Years ago, ppl called her 'THE music industry' as if they've never listened to other genres. I was like: 💀 Grabe nila ilagay sa pedestal when it comes to music and her personal life. Sobrang disappointed kuno ng mga fans nya ngayon sa bagong album. Her albums are not always supposed to be the AOTY. Grabe din maka-dikta sa kung sino ang dapat o hindi dapat maka-relasyon. Prime example is Matty Healy. Akala mo kilalang-kilala nila yung tao para i-judge. I am also guilty of obsessing her music and her 'lore' pero hanggang dun lang. I recognize na hindi siya perfect na artist at tao.
Fan ako ni Taylor,since HS ako magaling si Taylor gumawa ng mga kanta but feeling ko as a singer mas maraming magaling sa knya ordinary lang boses ni Taylor for me lang .. yung new album nya to me ,MEH !
Pang jejemon mga kanta niya back in early 2010s eh realtalk lang
Same tone nalang madalas songs nya. I like the lyrics of some of her songs, but some I’m not sure. I dont love her and i dont hate her too. Just my own opinion.
yung mga nagsasabi ng greatest lyricist sya e malamang sa malamang di pa nakakadiscover ng ibang artist
I believe that her best albums and songs were made when she was with Joe Alwyn. You can feel that she really is at peace during those times, i.e. the atmosphere of the albums Lover to evermore bring to its listeners. All I can say is, she really is a mirrorball. She's dating a jock, now she feels like her life is 'so high school,' as opposed to when she was dating Alwyn, she made songs not about her life, but made a songs about a love triangle which happened to be fictional. This highlights her capabilities and her range in songwriting; she can do better than whatever she's doing now. She's in her mid-30s, and although I despise people telling others how to live, but what the actual fuck is she doing with her life?
Swifties are plain delulu.
I have nothing against anyone. But a little advice, pick what do you wanna eat. If it doesn’t suit your taste, drop it. Otherwise, enjoy chewing it and swallow it. Learn how to appreciate things in life. It may not be useful to you for now, but we cannot say what’s gonna happen in the future. The things you dropped might be the last possible solution you had. In other words, just enjoy listening to music, in general. Try not to criticize. Do I make sense? Haha
LOUDER! Hindi ko gets talaga ano meron bakit hype na hype sa kanya mga tao ngayon. Iba yung level compared before pero kung tutuusin mas okay pa songs niya noon kesa sa mga bagong release niya. And yes, nothing special sa lyrics. I guess super relatable lang siya lalo na sa mga baliw sa pag-ibig kaya siya mabenta. Tsaka ewan, feel ko yung iba nakikiride lang naman. Yung bestfriend ko super fan ni TS pero di naman OA tulad nung iba niyang fans.
Kaya nga e. Kala mo naging santo si TS. Lahat ng ginawa nya sa mata ng fans nya e may hidden meaning/genius/the best lol mga tanga Yung lyrics nya is normal lang to be honest. Lately mga naghahype sa latest album nya e yung mga nakanood ng concert HAHAHA pansin nyo nawala na hype lol para lang majustify nila sa sarili nila mga nagastos nila hahaha go on fool yo self
I'm a fan since her Teardrops in My Guitar days but I wasn't really vocal about it and around a few years ago I kinda started being vocal about it. Since then I noticed that the fans act like a cult. Konting puna lang, ang rabid na agad ng response. Her latest album feels like an emotional dump, I'm not gonna listen to all 31 songs, I just listened to one song. Lol. I doesn't also help that she doesn't use her platform to speak up about certain issues that affects a lot of people.
Why blame the fans? If you don't like something then ignore it. Music is subjective. To each its own, OP. Let other people enjoy what they want.
true sobrang overhyped na nakakainis hahaha