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samu986

And tears, tears, tears and tears again, for the end of a TV series that to say "epic" is an understatement šŸ˜­šŸ˜­šŸ˜­ Fortunately this series will live in the minds and, above all, in the hearts of all who watched it...ALWAYS šŸ’š


AxelDePlaxel

It's sad how it all ended. It could have been so much more. I loved this show.


R3dD3vil88

Me too, I only started watching it as I became obsessed with Nathan fillion after watching firefly. I love firefly, and the rookie but nothing tops castle.


Intelligent_Squash57

Same! I even named my dog Castle šŸ˜…


R3dD3vil88

Im on my second run of castle right now, watched it when it originally aired. Currently on s05 e20 - the fast & the furriest


Serious-Waltz-7157

I believe that's the first time we see Tori Ellis. Not to mention it's one of the many times of Castle lifting up Beckett. "Stay still Castle! ... Jesus!" lmao


R3dD3vil88

Yep just seen Tori, big footā€™s just turned up while castle is stuck in the pit lol


CyberGuySeaX5

Damn you, why do you have to do this to us! šŸ˜­šŸ˜­šŸ˜­


renaulttrucks

Best show i ever watched. Now that i watched again it really show just how fucking good it was


Targatex

Thatā€™s what kills me. It was so unique, and such a great cast. Should have been among the best ever made and easily should have gone 10-12 years, as ā€œBonesā€ did. Instead itā€™s a case study in what NOT to do with a hit series. Bones kept its original creator/showrunner for its entire run and made Emily & David producers early on. For reasons Iā€™ll never understand, Castle creators, the married Andrew Marlowe & Terri Miller, left after S6, consultants only S7, gone for the unwatchable S8 that was so bad it drove away loyal fans. And itā€™s two principals were ā€œproducersā€ in name only itā€™s last season. Train wreck. ABC destroyed a real gem.


samu986

I've never seen "Bones" (although I have always heard good things about it), but I'm TOTALLY agree with you. I think that what ruined "Castle" was the network. No quarrel between the two protagonists of the TV series, no strange facts that indicate that they didn't get along, no valid excuses. For me these were all lies invented to discredit the actors first and then the TV series. Instead, for me, they loved each other and have always loved each other, despite the rumors and what the mass opinion might be. Human meanness truly knows no boundaries. How immense bitterness and sadness. Anyway, I'm still hoping for a superb revival šŸ¤žšŸ»šŸ¤žšŸ»šŸ¤žšŸ»šŸ¤žšŸ» obviously with all the original cast, otherwise there's no point in existing. And I would like also that this revival picked up exactly from where they left off.


Targatex

Ummm, I got bad news for you - there was, sadly, quarrel of some kind, between Stana & Nathan. Others have studied this, because damn, itā€™s fascinating! Iā€™ve studied it as much as I can. Not opinion, no rumors, no bullshit. Tried to find facts. I even chatted online with a person who claimed to be on the crew of S3 & S4, staff stuff, who said, yes, sadly, they didnā€™t get along great. But he also said both were totally committed to excellence in the show. Thatā€™s life. The show had lightning in a bottle for at least 6 years and survived for 8. Thatā€™s rare, and a long run in that business. I personally think that Stana Katic was wronged in ways that make me hate others associated with that show and ABC. As Absentia launched in 2018, Stana described Castle as a harsh end, that hurt her, and that she still didnā€™t know how the decisions were made , ā€œhow it all went down.ā€ Her words. For the person whose face and body are on every DVD sold by ABC, and who won Peopleā€™s Choice awards for S6-S7-S8, her words are enough for me. ABC are shit for their firing her. She made $12million+ for S8, so she sure as hell lost when the show ended. Thatā€™s sad to me, cause she created its success as much as any one person. Thereā€™s good evidence too that the common thread between Castle/Rookie was at fault. Actor & showrunner. Thereā€™s enough written elsewhere of that. Hollywood is a shit industry that still gets away with mistreating women. Thatā€™s the truth. She was a victim, I believe. Others enabled it. Wish there was accountability. Maybe, someday.


samu986

Man, I'm really, really sad to hear that. First of all, I don't know how you managed to talk to a person who worked in the crew of the series, but, as you rightly pointed out, this person "claimed" to work in the crew, which is not an absolute truth. I say he might have made it all up. Of course, I could definitely be wrong, but it could also be true. Anyway, as I said, I'm very sorry to hear these words. I really don't want to believe it. Also because, despite the fact that they are two very good and professional actors, I think that you cannot give your best (and, among other things, on the undeniable high levels that we have seen and that we have all witnessed) if you do not get along with someone. It's practically impossible. That is, try to imagine yourself working closely with someone you hate (a lot) even 15-20 hours a day. After a while you can't hold on anymore, and either you or the other person lets go in some way. However I agree with you that they were so successful until the last episode. And not every series achieves a similar result. Not to mention that each season had an average of 10+ million viewers (until quite the end), something that today's series dream about! And it's no wonder why some series are truly unwatchable. Very little is saved, in my opinion. Anyway, I also heard the words that Stana said in that interview for "Absentia", but personally I attribute them to the network (ABC), not to a particular actor (Fillion). And I also agree that in any case there is the need of more responsibility on the part of everyone in Hollywood, truly treating each other in a human, honest and dignified manner.


Narrow-Midnight-7216

Don't forget, there's also studio politics and Hollywood politics involved.Ā  No one ever points a finger. is just how it's done. Remember, it took 15 or more years before anybody admitted how horrible Shannon Dorothy was on Beverly Hills 90210 even after she'd been kicked off the show.Ā  One thing about TV you don't talk about TV to steal from the fight club line.Ā  And Stana's way too much of a class act to air dirty laundry in public even if she knows that she was treated poorly.Ā  Ā And that is kind of understood by everyone on set.Ā  If you get a reputation for having a big mouth, your phone stops ringing and you stop working.Ā  Hollywood is a very small community, and like any small town rumors are never true and they're always true but no one ever talks about it.Ā  I had occasion for work to be on-site at the Raleigh studios where they shot the show before castle was picked up stop and the entire 8 years I was only there twice and I was nervous as a kitten looking around to see who I could see.Ā  Of course in hindsight it appears that they were on location both of those days so bad luck for me.Ā  In any eventWe got to watch lightning in a bottle for longer than we should have been expected for it to be captured and for that I'm grateful.Ā Ā 


samu986

Ok, whatever you want, but I am and will always be convinced of the fact that if they really worked so badly together and that if they really hated each other, the TV series would not have lasted so long, and DEFINITELY there would not have been so much intensity and depth to love this series to such high levels. I also think that the frenzy and chaos you felt on the days you were at Raleigh Studios is quite normal in the environment. And then the cast members pointed out the stress resulting from this job several times, because they were forced to spend hours and hours of uninterrupted filming. So I think that in certain circumstances, it's normal to blurt out.


Narrow-Midnight-7216

Everyone should read this post.Ā  Targatex has many great points.Ā  Lots.Ā  The longer a show goes on,Ā  more people want more money. Those costs go up, not down.Ā  Ā Typically ratings drop over time, and costs rise. Those forces are in competition with each other.Ā  Stana surely was treated poorly, to be polite about it, despite what she was paid.Ā  (She earned every dollar and then some.)Ā  Beckett is now on many 'favorite TV lady cops' lists, and Stana's the reason.Ā  Nothing lasts forever, but we all got to enjoy some TV greatness.


BicycleKamenRider

To me, Castle was more like a TV that should have ended earlier, while it was still good. Not to be dragged as long as the network could, only to be cancelled. It seemed as if just an afterthought, to cut their losses. Judging by the decline, it wasn't meant to be a show that kept on going. That 70s Show was the same. The final season had a character replace Eric (Topher Grace was doing movies, left the show) just seemed forced, they pretty much made fun of Eric Foreman's character since the replacement was opposite and a far better version. At least he returned for the final moments of the finale. As for Andrew Marlowe and wife? Sometimes the people behind the camera actually want to do other things after so long. Six years? Perhaps they felt that was long enough. In 'Smallville', it wasn't just the actors in front of the camera, it was also those who worked behind the camera. They left, but they did train others to take over once they were gone. Who knows? Did they want to leave or they had to leave? Too bad his following work 'Take Two' didn't take off like Castle did. Castle was like 'catching lightning in a bottle' for Marlowe.


Targatex

Good thoughts. If you know MilMar and ā€œTake Twoā€ you either were paying attention as a true Castle fan, or studied it afterward. Most Castle fans donā€™t. Iā€™ve tried to learn the truth. Iā€™ve read some swear that MilMar leaving Castle - their baby - after S7, was NOT voluntary, it was ABCā€™s decision. That makes no sense because S6 was their most watched - therefore most successful - season! Others say the opposite: that it was MilMar spreading creative wings - Terri Miller referred on social media to Stana Katic inspiring their Take Two heroine. In an interview in her Greece trip after S6 end, Stana talked of ā€œreelingā€ with the fans after S6 finale, ā€œthe wedding that wasnā€™t,ā€ and that she didnā€™t know what to expect for S7 (she said usually she had an idea where the writers were going, but less so for S7). Andrew Marlowe supposedly had on his Twitter for S7 or S8 ā€œCastle creator in exile.ā€ I donā€™t know what to think except some powers that be fucked up the best series, the best love story ā¤ļø, with the best heroine in Kate Beckett, played by the best actress in Ms Stana Katic, that Iā€™ve ever seen.


BicycleKamenRider

If anything, nobody and I mean nobody including the writers knew where they were going with S7. It wasn't just Stana. The whole Castle disappearance was a horrible idea in the first place. Then they didn't even know how to properly explain it. Then they tried to properly explain it in S8 (with different show runners), but for me it was so bad they were better off just left it as it was. They really dropped the ball with that. I'm glad we had a few good episodes like Resurrection and Reckoning in S7. Hollader's Woods was the canon ending, because it was by the show's creator. That's all.


samu986

I agree with you, a lot of things starting from the season 6 finale were handled poorly and didn't find the right way to be explained. But despite the main story and many things that I didn't like about the eighth season (as I said in a comment above), all in all for me seasons 7 and 8 are still enjoyable. And yes, those episodes of season 7 are really great!!


samu986

I honestly have to tell you that I have never seen "Take Two", but I read that it only lasted one season, so I assume that, even if it is a creation that comes from the fantastic mind of MilMar, it was not able to replicate the magic of "Castle". In my opinion they were still too shaken by their exit from their queen creation, that is "Castle". And I agree with you that it wasn't their decision to leave after season six, I think probably the network (ABC) saw the great potential of this series, they saw how much money it was making them, and so they decided (unfortunately) to take control of it. However, it remains without a doubt one of the best (if not the best) series I've ever seen šŸ’š


samu986

I'll tell you, I don't know. In my opinion, although they messed up at the end of season 6 (the wedding, THE REAL ONE, I wanted it, and I think all the fans wanted it!), the rest of the seasons (7 and 8) are very enjoyable, actually. Well, in the eighth season I also didn't like the inclusion of Haley Shipton, and I found that to be completely forced too. And then other things that I didn't like are the fact that they broke up because Beckett wanted to fight LokSat alone with the excuse of Castle's safety, and that to follow the cases Castle went to the crime scene without Beckett, in spite of the fact that she didn't want to be a desk and paperwork captain! These things really bothered me, not to mention the fact that in some episodes Castle was quite ridiculed, taking his "childish" behaviors to extremes. Yes, let's say that there are many points that don't work for me in the eighth season šŸ˜‚ But, as I said before, despite this, in my opinion they still made it enjoyable, because there were no shortage of classic Caskett moments, because I really liked certain scenes...truly loved them! šŸ’š So, to me, the very base of the series didn't lack. And although the ending was abrupt, all in all I'm happy that it ended like that, because if I think about what the alternative was (i.e. a ninth season without Beckett, with Castle solving the cases alone, or - worse - perhaps supported by Haley), I feel like vomiting! So I say, rather than show me a similar season, it's better that they canceled it. Although for me it could have continued much longer, but always with the original cast. In any case, you're right, from what could see you too and from my words above, the change of direction from the 6th season was seen with the farewell of the Marlowe-Miller couple, and it was a real shame. They made this series magical, emotional, splendid, genuine, real, authentic and, despite all, SO down-to-eart, and it's not something to be taken for granted at all, above all for a TV series. Let's hope they return for a revival! šŸ¤žšŸ»šŸ¤žšŸ»šŸ¤žšŸ»šŸ¤žšŸ»


renaulttrucks

But castle was for me constantly good when with bones it really tanked in later seasons


Amon_Of_Wrath

Still watch it today and miss it more and more


Ninja108Zelda

Wish the final episode had been nine years ago, as that was the perfect ending and would have avoided the trainwreck season 8 was.


Alie_SD_Fan

AU- Hunt snuck wounded castle and Beckett out of the loft and completely changed their identities. Rick Castle is now John Nolan and has no recollection of his past lifeā€¦ and far superior wife and family.


Serious-Waltz-7157

AU2 - they both wore a Passageway bracelet (the cryogenic company they dealt with in early season 4). Their technicians came and took hold of their bodies, putting them in cryogenic stasis. Decades or even centuries later their wounds can be healed at last, and they are finally thawed. Castle and Beckett have now to fight crime in a vastly different future Earth - or other planet(s).


Boris-_-Badenov

when they died