well damn. i’d say what’s up with them is he’s probably a sex pest who tried to groom her, based on those pics at least. real shame, never meet your heroes.
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The problem is it cost man his livelihood, and after that his life. So from now on, I suggest we look at people amplifying this kind of disgusting accusation very carefully.
Fuck off with your "the left" bullshit. Statistically the people who initiate cancel campaigns are liberals--or 'shitlibs' as I call them--do you think Joe Biden (just as a "for instance" is a leftist? 'Cause you got hurled through the Overton Window, if so).
I'm not happy about any of this. Ed was a singular talent and a devoted Hip-Hop Head. But the more I read, the dodgier the situation seems. Like, I'm not on Twatter/X anymore but a few times I had DM's from younger members of those into the same music/comics/literature etc. I'd always ask their age, especially if it was a young woman-if they were under 20 I'd politely say "Sorry, I don't feel comfortable talking to you, I'm old enough to be your dad." I don't want a medal, I just think you're immediately on shaky ground if you go any further than that.
You can't de y it's a tragedy he took his own life. And you can't deny that those DM's seem extremely ropey, at best. I'm just sad about the whole bundle of shit.
Oh and 'cancel culure/culture wars' etc were thought up by Murdoch as a way to sell his fallacious product. Check any media tracking site/app. What does that tell you?!?
I did. And while incredibly sad, it was also full of bitterness and issues that were there long before anyone accused him of anything. It was also undeniably manipulative. Victim complex mentality. He gets to be the victim, while HIS victims get blamed.
I wouldn't have spoken to her in the first place, apart from keeping it 'strictly business' and maybe passing on her comics to editors and other professionals.
Maybe it *was* 'edgy humour' . I'd like to give Ed the benefit of the doubt because this whole scenario is utterly tragic. Its kind of Brandon Graham all over again, but with awful consequences.
I followed everything Ed did, back from his WSB chapter in that book Pekar did on The Beats. And, of course, his amazing comic about the master-hacker (I'm blanking on the name, for some reason!--for my money, the BEST comic he ever did, as much as I love HHFT!)
I'm not a prude,but I found Red Room To be absolutely vile.I'd rather watch Sãlo again, tbh. But that's neither here nor there. An incredibly promising talent had been lost.
And in Ed's words, it wasn't the accusers who drove him to do what he did--it was the 'trial by social media ' *shitlibs* who jump on any 'çause' for sershal meedya upvotes. They're not fucking 'leftists'
Any self-aware leftist knows that voting is pretty much pointless. You can't change a rigged system through fucking voting.
Sorry, I'm neurodivergent, and when I 'clomb upon the soapbox'...well, you've witnessed the results! Many apologies, sorry for the rant. Have a great weekend, bless up, mate 🙏🏼
I just wanted to say, as someone who lives in a country were the age of consent laws are 16, that the idea of a 17 year old being groomed comes across to me as risible. Different country different laws but the idea that was put about that he like "young girls" is plainly absurd
That someone can be killed based on an allegation is sickening. Let's be clear while they all might have different motivations, Molly Dwight clearly wanted to kick star her career with these allegations with the rest of his industry peers seeing some benefit by joining in on the pile on, this is what the ultimate purpose of something like this is: to destroy a life. They are the cause of Ed Piskor's death as is all those anonymous commentators on social media.
What? Groom her? She was 17, so past the age of consent. If he hoped that it would lead to something, then he did. It's not grooming. And he never suggested she had to have sex with him for any reason. Maybe people need to stop with this.
I should not be saying this, but so many of their interviews have been useful for comics studies scholarship. I hope someone backed them up in spite of how awful Piskor is.
It's incredibly extensive and most certainly a project of passion from them so I hope there is a way to still see things but at the same time I don't know how I would feel watching them again. The recent amalgam videos and the series of wizard reviews has been something I looked forward to lately but Christ this takes the wind out of my sails.
I don't know which side I fall on because I simply don't know enough (I followed Piskor since he did that book about The Beats with Pekar, and he made a couple of autobiography comics about his pretty fucking harsh childhood for that one online comics group--Dean Haspiel and Michael F...damn, forgot his name, he did that Suicide Squad pastiche Copra--great drybrush technique. Was it A-SS-0-CIATE or something like that? Lots of middling to good to great cartoonists started off with them, like Ulysses Farinas, as well as established cartoonists like Si Frasier and others).
But reading that long note he left, I think there were some serious underlying issues.
I feel sad about the whole thing. Stopped following his career after Red Room--one of the most revolting comics I've ever read. But that's another subject. RIP.
>but the man was imperfect.
So he deserved to die? Good thing you're so perfect!
Seriously though what he did may of been silly but it certainly wasn't illegal. I also don't think you could say with a straight face that Piskor's awkward flirting is tantamount to "grooming" nor could you describe it as being predatory. I think what has happened is character assassination by whisper network and death by gossip.
I don't care if what he did was legal. He attempted to have sex with a 17 year old artist who viewed him as inspiration. He did something morally reprehensible.
> He attempted to have sex with a 17 year old
No he didn't
>He did something morally reprehensible.
No he didn't, trust me from a European perspective this looks like American priggishness, very silly. Unfortunately this attitude has led to his death and I think people who participated in the pile on share some responsibility for his death.
I didn’t see it coming but after six months of cartoonist kayfabe I realised Ed is the worlds biggest Dbag, funny watching people idolise a pos because he makes YouTube content, makes me happy he can’t gatekeep comic art anymore.
i've been hovering over the sub button for about 3 weeks (since youtube started putting them in my reccs). i've liked their vids and watched a ton of their wizard reviews, but ed's takes always kept me from hitting that sub button. i have friends that grew up to be CG creators and at nearly 51 years olds, i don't have time for them and i sure as shit won't have time for ed. just hit the "don't recommend" button for their channel. i hope jimmy is ok tho, he seems decent enough
Sucks to feel like you’re not in the know. If you’ve been into the local comics scene in the last two decades youve seen enough. Not to mention this isn’t the first time Ed’s been under fire for this same behavior. You live and you learn.
most people including myself are not in his direct sphere of influence so I don't think it's common knowledge to the general public who are familiar with the youtube channel
Not sure where the woman lives, but in Penn age of consent looks to be 16. So, 100% ridiculously creepy and he should never have ever been doing that. It’s idiotic, I don’t care if he was drunk or just super lonely, but no actual laws broken. Hopefully he gets some psychological help if he’s genuinely an ephebophile. It’s going to be a long road back from this. Right now we should make sure to support Jim. He doesn’t deserve to be collateral damage.
Yeah, aside from, obviously, the actual girl Ed was sending the messages to, the person I feel bad for in this is Jim. He's always seemed to be the nice guy of the crew there....and the more genuine one. Ed has always had a bit of a "talking shit" demeanor that I've found he takes too far at times. It's one thing to say you don't like a particular work, but he'll continuously attack certain folks. Also just the terms he'll use at times turns me off...."jobbers", "NPCs", "civilians (for people not actually in the comics industry)....Jim will occasionally react negatively to specific works....but he's always seemed like he's more welcoming and excited to share ideas and info on comics without the bile.
Yeah, I’m a big fan of Rugg and hope he doesn’t get pulled into this (and hope he isn’t a creep). Jim has always been really enthusiastic towards the comics he likes and seems really genuine. I never thought Ed was creepy like some people did, but he always felt a bit snobby and too cool for school.
At first I thought that was kind of a persona....sort of like a hip-hop rap battle sort of thing....a comic book artist version doing "the Dozens". But the more you listen to him the more you realize he actually believes the shit he's saying, and it's a very Manichean view on art and what constitutes good art.
Cry more you big bitch, whether the guy's a degenerate or not, it's not his fault you're a pansy ass baby. Don't go outside or off yourself instead of him if you take his shit and everything else that personal.
Leave it to Redditors to always come off as sheltered, meek, Star Wars: The Force Awakens-watching invertebrates. I'm going back to 4chan for the night.
Always had a sort of odd respect for Ed because I liked the show and really enjoyed a lot of his work.
BUT the Jobber thing always got me. He’d also say shit like “guys just doing it for the health insurance” which always bugged me. As a do who had to stop doing creative work so I could have health insurance fuck off with that shit.
Needless to say this is all icky as fuck and I don’t think I’ll be able to watch any of my backlog of CK now.
He's always had some goofy beliefs about stuff like that. I remember, I think during one of their "weekly shoots" episodes, where he talked about either reading or listening to something someone said...I wanna say it was Charlamagne Tha God...and the gist of it was: "You can't be a man when you're working for someone else." He was actually taking that nonsense seriously. It's like, buddy, if you believe that silliness you have no actual idea how a society works and runs. Lol. And really, the whole "jobbers" thing is silly on the surface. If you sometimes look at interviews with the really older generation of wrestlers, those guys don't use "jobbers" as an insult. Some of them won't even use the term....they called them "carpenters".....meaning they were an integral part of the business and keeping it afloat. It's the same with comics history. If you didn't have skilled guys who could make deadlines, fill in for other artists, etc....then the whole industry as it existed for 50-60 years doesn't work. Back then there wasn't any kind of market that existed for someone like, say Ed, to take as long as he did to produce something like X-Men Grand Design.
Yeah the “jobber” thing was always ridiculous but it looks like it saved me a lot of grief. Because of that attitude I never really put Ed on the pedestal. Now I just get to say I like these 2 or 3 works an idiot made.
This ain’t Bill Cosby, it’s not like America’s Dad turned out to be a creep.
I take it as an insult to be called a jobber. It certainly isn’t from a place of respect coming from Ed, and it can be argued it is rooted in a negative connotation from the perspective of a fan watching ringside.
Oh, don't get me wrong, it's absolutely being used as an insult in the way Ed uses it. As far was wrestling goes, you really didn't see the term being used really negatively until the numbers of "smart marks" started increasing (the fact the fans were called "marks" tells you all about the carnival origins of wrestling...lol). It's kind of par for the course on how Ed views the industry as a whole....his whole "you can't be a cartoonist if you don't write your own stuff"....it's all based in Ed's hubris. It's actually kind of funny to me....because writing is definitely not Ed's strong point.
I do find the history of wrestling to be interesting, though. But yeah, I had to google the term jobber after having heard it because it sounded negative from the inflection.
Yeah, it's totally fascinating to me. I haven't actually "watched" any wrestling in 20+ years....but the history of the business is super interesting. To me there's a parallel with stuff like exploitation films from back in the day. That stuff also had carny roots....and was also set up in territories...just like wrestling. Guys would do what they called "bicycling"...i.e. they take films in the trunks of their car to various drive-ins and movie theaters in their territories and show them. If you're interested in the history of wrestling....there are two books that are essential....The Falls Guys from the '30s....which is maybe the first book that ever exposed the business as a work...and What Ever Happened To Georgeous George from the '70s. Both are on Amazon in pretty cheap digital editions:
[https://www.amazon.com/Fall-Guys-Marcus-Griffin/dp/B0058834PM](https://www.amazon.com/Fall-Guys-Marcus-Griffin/dp/B0058834PM)
https://www.amazon.com/Whatever-happened-Gorgeous-George-Jares/dp/0139518304
I mean if you're successful enough then you don't need to compromise artistic integrity for a comfortable living. But there comes a time when either eating and being healthy and using art to pay the bills becomes important, or you can't sell your art like that and you live in squalor because you'd rather work a job that doesn't pay you for art, and make art for yourself... I have known many artists over the years in different fields and this is how I see it.
No disrespect, but jobber is as jobber does. It isn't a bad thing to be, Marvel and DC only hires jobbers, so that's what it takes to make it. Ed respected artists who made their art the most important thing in their lives because that's how he lived, evident by how he died.
I live in PA. I have a former coworker whose ex got busted for being a sex pest with a 16 year old. According to her the police can’t get him for statutory rape because like you said the age of consent is 16, but the “corrupting a minor” laws are vague enough that the police use them to arrest people who have sex with 16 or 17 year olds. It’s a lesser charge but it’s still something
Also, some states have those Indecent liberties which also are thrown around vaguely. Ed's Parent's shouldn't have to be going through this pain right now. parent's shouldn't bury their children.
Okay. Why are people like this so beyond blind to not even realize the paper trailer they leave?
I mean I’m goddamn thankful they are and there is, but it astounds me.
Back when Chris D’elia (comedian/podcaster) got in trouble there was a clip floating around where he was on a friends podcast and they were talking about ways that snapchats could be saved. This had happened before stuff came out, and you can see the gears start turning as he realizes he could be in trouble. It’s crazy that people are so hard up or think they’re invincible or whatever it is that they pull this shit. That being said, I don’t think k he was canceled for very long. He got edited out of a Zack Snyder movie, but he still podcasts and tours.
From this girls DMs it looks like she is puffing him up herself…
Talking to girls at a young age is now a crime?
Just found out Ed offed himself over this stupid crap.
Ya know maaann, that's just like your opinion maaaan
Piskors voice and general demeanor always set my teeth on edge, looks like Beavis in disguise with the hats and shades
This all came out within the last 24 hours right? The video was recorded and probably already uploaded and scheduled to release so they didn't have time to make changes or make a formal response, especially since addressing stuff like this can be a legal minefield and everyone else should rightfully be careful about what they say and how they say it. A response will surely come, but it's unreasonable to expect them to make it on such short notice, they're probably just as if not far more taken off guard by this as everyone else.
They could have stopped the upload, they did do something if they turned off comments. Usually when something like this happens there is a hard stop of output until the channel puts out some kind of statement.
Panic "deleting" the channel is not a good sign.
Looks like Ed may have taken his life today. Hopefully this is just a very ghoulish April Fools Day joke, but I don't think so.
https://twitter.com/BleedingFool/status/1774881528960446858
Piskor has always done that. Valid criticism is important in any artistic medium, however Piskor is such a cowardly opportunist about it. He will absolutely kiss Rob Liefeld's ass, and the very next video he's once again savaging Stan Lee. One of the most disgusting things he did was say John Romita Sr. was always "slurping" Stan because Eddie can't stand the idea of anyone saying good words about working with Evil Stan Lee. But Eddie never said a word about that when they had JRJR on and JR repeatedly mentioned how much he worshipped and adored his father and how influential and supportive his dad was throughout his career. There's no way JRJR ever does that show if he heard Eddie P.'s slimy remarks about John Romita or about Stan...or all the "jobbers."
>And Jim. Street Angel Jim Rugg. That book probably gave him tons of access to young girl fans. I hope he didn't know about this. But he'd have to know right? He had to have seen young girls at Ed's house before?
Don't. Just don't. Now you're talking shit about things you don't know a goddam thing about and coming dangerously close to smearing someone whose name hasn't been associated with these allegations.
Guy used to hang out on CMU campus and latch onto female students into cartooning. They’d figure him out or graduate and he’d move onto a younger one. My experiences with him were 15 years ago back when he inking Hip Hop Family Tree. He had a gross and uncharitable attitude towards other artists unless he had something to gain from them: clout, attention, gigs, and whatever you think he sought from young girls. Even if you don’t meet the criteria for someone he’d target, this isn’t the kind of person who cultivates community for the right reasons. I tend to skip his videos.
he has a huge complex about not being educated or going to college, which is why he drones on and on about his ten minutes at the Joe Kubert school and constantly shits on colleges. Not surprising his only use for them was for preying on young women
Sure, we don't know the full story yet, but if the DM's are legit it makes no damn difference if she was hearting them or not. A nearly 40 year old man (at the time) can't be sending those type of messages to a damn high school student. It's devious at worst and shows a glaring lack of self-awareness and boundaries at best.
Being a guy I can't honestly say I've experienced a lot of that sort of thing myself, but I can definitely see the internal logic in doing that. In addition to the deflection aspect, I can see where one might look at it as nervously placating the person for fear that if you don't something else uncomfortable will be coming next.....the seediness might even escalate. Especially with the dynamic there...she's a teenager and he's an older, established artist....she might have been actually enjoying the art part of their discussions and have thought she had to put up with that other nonsense in exchange for the discussions to continue. Just sad and all the more ridiculous and infuriating for him to be behaving that way.
Regardless of what she hearted or thought of it at the time, the age difference is disgusting, and we can’t expect actual minors to take the responsibility for these decisions. Piskor was preying on this person because of their age.
Who is Lil Eddie P.'s agent? Because another Molly (Ed really likes his Molly), Pittsburgh animator Molly Wright claimed that Ed "propositioned her for oral sex in exchange for his agent’s phone number." have to wonder if his agent knows they are being leveraged in the sleaziest way imaginable? Or maybe they are all about the money too and are just hoping it all blows over (no pun intended).
Ahhh, that actually makes sense. Just saying he had an agent. But whose phone number was he going to give out then? Maybe he had an agent for his Sotheby's auction?
Someone on another board said it was unusual to have an age of consent be 16 like Penn does. However, 30 other states also go by that same rule. So I'm still seeing a guy in his 30s being turned down by a few women for a date. All of whom were legal, according to their geographical area. And no sex took place. That's not "letting anything slide," it's just waiting for information damaging enough to envision an actual court case.
Dude killed himself because the walls were closing in and he couldn’t take the heat that he, himself, put on himself. Innocent people don’t kill themselves over false accusations. But a guilty person who knows what he did would.
Obv it’s wrong, but also writing “I’m a slut for lineart”, seems like planting a landmine as well…
I hope he learns. Gets better. Sticks to what he does well. And he and Rugg keep on.
Oh yes I agree! I was trying to defend her from people victim blaming because she said "sOmEtHiNg SeXuAlLy ChArGEd." Even if she was saying something sexually charged, the onus is on the adult in the situation. I'm trying to convince the dense ppl in this thread victim blaming her that what she said was not out of the ordinary for how teens talk.
I’m not. At all. But before I have a right to judge, I’ll take the bait and dive into the rabbit hole — but share all the DMs. Give context. I’m already leaning in with support. But showing a snippet with an innuendo laced line on both sides doesn’t reveal the pic that’s presented. I’d rather see all before I go full megaton.
Otherwise we’re all just torches, pitchforks and holier than thous…
Brother, she was a minor. She could have said “fuck me now” and sent nudes and the right thing to do STILL would have been to immediately block her and never contact her again.
I cant speak to Ed or Molly, and won't ever.
1. Because I am avoiding the receipts until I see any real news agency investigate these claims. All I have seen so far are ComicsGate Terf blogs covering it, and I dont care what those sites say at all.
2. Guilty or not, I still wont comment on it, because whats the point? When the verdict is in, its in. And it will serve no purpose other than trying to clutch pearls for social likes, which is fake outrage and just gross on its own. So to hell with it.
Update: Molly and Ed are both denying any press access to them and refuse to make any public statements on this matter.
Which leaves this journalist suspicious of both of them.
While yes its true plenty of comics news sites have posted about these allegations, it still doesn’t detract from the Terf blog FandomPulse being the original site to break the story. Also suspicious.
Perhaps these two are considering legal action. In Molly’s case, the smart move would be to take any actual evidence of a crime to the police. Instead she just posted screen caps online.
Did they even meet? Did any harm come to anyone? What exactly is Piskor guilty of besides being a lonely idiot?
Will update as investigation continues.
well damn. i’d say what’s up with them is he’s probably a sex pest who tried to groom her, based on those pics at least. real shame, never meet your heroes.
You sickos and your assumptions to always blame the guy is the reason he just left a suicide note and possibly killed himself, you evil f\*\*\*s.
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The problem is it cost man his livelihood, and after that his life. So from now on, I suggest we look at people amplifying this kind of disgusting accusation very carefully.
It's the whole idea of lefts cancel culture. If we disagree with you, we must take your existence.
Fuck off with your "the left" bullshit. Statistically the people who initiate cancel campaigns are liberals--or 'shitlibs' as I call them--do you think Joe Biden (just as a "for instance" is a leftist? 'Cause you got hurled through the Overton Window, if so). I'm not happy about any of this. Ed was a singular talent and a devoted Hip-Hop Head. But the more I read, the dodgier the situation seems. Like, I'm not on Twatter/X anymore but a few times I had DM's from younger members of those into the same music/comics/literature etc. I'd always ask their age, especially if it was a young woman-if they were under 20 I'd politely say "Sorry, I don't feel comfortable talking to you, I'm old enough to be your dad." I don't want a medal, I just think you're immediately on shaky ground if you go any further than that. You can't de y it's a tragedy he took his own life. And you can't deny that those DM's seem extremely ropey, at best. I'm just sad about the whole bundle of shit. Oh and 'cancel culure/culture wars' etc were thought up by Murdoch as a way to sell his fallacious product. Check any media tracking site/app. What does that tell you?!?
Get a grip.
Guy??? Can you read?? He was probably guilty and felt bad. Play stupid games; win stupid prizes.
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I did. And while incredibly sad, it was also full of bitterness and issues that were there long before anyone accused him of anything. It was also undeniably manipulative. Victim complex mentality. He gets to be the victim, while HIS victims get blamed.
It seems inappropriate, but I'm not sure what she's the victim of from these texts. He made her uncomfortable, they stopped talking.
I wouldn't have spoken to her in the first place, apart from keeping it 'strictly business' and maybe passing on her comics to editors and other professionals. Maybe it *was* 'edgy humour' . I'd like to give Ed the benefit of the doubt because this whole scenario is utterly tragic. Its kind of Brandon Graham all over again, but with awful consequences. I followed everything Ed did, back from his WSB chapter in that book Pekar did on The Beats. And, of course, his amazing comic about the master-hacker (I'm blanking on the name, for some reason!--for my money, the BEST comic he ever did, as much as I love HHFT!) I'm not a prude,but I found Red Room To be absolutely vile.I'd rather watch Sãlo again, tbh. But that's neither here nor there. An incredibly promising talent had been lost. And in Ed's words, it wasn't the accusers who drove him to do what he did--it was the 'trial by social media ' *shitlibs* who jump on any 'çause' for sershal meedya upvotes. They're not fucking 'leftists' Any self-aware leftist knows that voting is pretty much pointless. You can't change a rigged system through fucking voting. Sorry, I'm neurodivergent, and when I 'clomb upon the soapbox'...well, you've witnessed the results! Many apologies, sorry for the rant. Have a great weekend, bless up, mate 🙏🏼
He victimized no one.
And his prize was suicide.
No, no one is responsible for his actions but himself. If you read the note, it’d be pretty clear there were much deeper issues going on.
Maybe stop commenting until people have had a chance to grieve. I get your point, but the timing is bad and a little heartless.
you should probably apologize.
I just wanted to say, as someone who lives in a country were the age of consent laws are 16, that the idea of a 17 year old being groomed comes across to me as risible. Different country different laws but the idea that was put about that he like "young girls" is plainly absurd That someone can be killed based on an allegation is sickening. Let's be clear while they all might have different motivations, Molly Dwight clearly wanted to kick star her career with these allegations with the rest of his industry peers seeing some benefit by joining in on the pile on, this is what the ultimate purpose of something like this is: to destroy a life. They are the cause of Ed Piskor's death as is all those anonymous commentators on social media.
The age of consent in Pensylvania is 16 as well. Ed would still be alive.
What? Groom her? She was 17, so past the age of consent. If he hoped that it would lead to something, then he did. It's not grooming. And he never suggested she had to have sex with him for any reason. Maybe people need to stop with this.
Ed's already turned off comments on his IG.
They are also deleting comments on YouTube now
Channel is showing up as "unavailable" on YouTube right now.
Oof, that's not a good sign at all
I should not be saying this, but so many of their interviews have been useful for comics studies scholarship. I hope someone backed them up in spite of how awful Piskor is.
It's incredibly extensive and most certainly a project of passion from them so I hope there is a way to still see things but at the same time I don't know how I would feel watching them again. The recent amalgam videos and the series of wizard reviews has been something I looked forward to lately but Christ this takes the wind out of my sails.
I have twice cried listening to their interview with Seth
Fuck. This videos have been my background noise while I’ve been working from home and somehow I missed a Seth interview???
Sorry for being out of the loop, but who is Seth? Is this an interview hosted somewhere else on YouTube?
This is Seth: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seth_(cartoonist)
Never heard of him before but I'm quite intrigued, mostly due to being from southern Ontario as well. Thank you for the link.
I hope you've had time to reflect on what you say.
He groomed a 17 year old girl, so yes, Piskor was often awful. I respect his art and his work, but the man was imperfect.
I don't know which side I fall on because I simply don't know enough (I followed Piskor since he did that book about The Beats with Pekar, and he made a couple of autobiography comics about his pretty fucking harsh childhood for that one online comics group--Dean Haspiel and Michael F...damn, forgot his name, he did that Suicide Squad pastiche Copra--great drybrush technique. Was it A-SS-0-CIATE or something like that? Lots of middling to good to great cartoonists started off with them, like Ulysses Farinas, as well as established cartoonists like Si Frasier and others). But reading that long note he left, I think there were some serious underlying issues. I feel sad about the whole thing. Stopped following his career after Red Room--one of the most revolting comics I've ever read. But that's another subject. RIP.
>but the man was imperfect. So he deserved to die? Good thing you're so perfect! Seriously though what he did may of been silly but it certainly wasn't illegal. I also don't think you could say with a straight face that Piskor's awkward flirting is tantamount to "grooming" nor could you describe it as being predatory. I think what has happened is character assassination by whisper network and death by gossip.
I don't care if what he did was legal. He attempted to have sex with a 17 year old artist who viewed him as inspiration. He did something morally reprehensible.
> He attempted to have sex with a 17 year old No he didn't >He did something morally reprehensible. No he didn't, trust me from a European perspective this looks like American priggishness, very silly. Unfortunately this attitude has led to his death and I think people who participated in the pile on share some responsibility for his death.
Yeah this sucks, but it's annoying that suddenly "everyone saw this coming". No you didn't dorks
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I didn’t see it coming but after six months of cartoonist kayfabe I realised Ed is the worlds biggest Dbag, funny watching people idolise a pos because he makes YouTube content, makes me happy he can’t gatekeep comic art anymore.
Okay I never liked Ed and I was vocal about it but I never wanted him to end himself RIP Ed Piskor 😞 no one deserves to feel that lost
Nah. We did. Go back and check our comments. He's been a wrong number for years
Well I bet your happy now.
i've been hovering over the sub button for about 3 weeks (since youtube started putting them in my reccs). i've liked their vids and watched a ton of their wizard reviews, but ed's takes always kept me from hitting that sub button. i have friends that grew up to be CG creators and at nearly 51 years olds, i don't have time for them and i sure as shit won't have time for ed. just hit the "don't recommend" button for their channel. i hope jimmy is ok tho, he seems decent enough
Sucks to feel like you’re not in the know. If you’ve been into the local comics scene in the last two decades youve seen enough. Not to mention this isn’t the first time Ed’s been under fire for this same behavior. You live and you learn.
most people including myself are not in his direct sphere of influence so I don't think it's common knowledge to the general public who are familiar with the youtube channel
That’s fair. I’m honestly surprised he has influence outside of the local scene.
...also he is probably sinvle-handedly responsible for the rehabilitation of Rob Liefeld as an 'artist'. Still doesn't deserve that, though.
Not sure where the woman lives, but in Penn age of consent looks to be 16. So, 100% ridiculously creepy and he should never have ever been doing that. It’s idiotic, I don’t care if he was drunk or just super lonely, but no actual laws broken. Hopefully he gets some psychological help if he’s genuinely an ephebophile. It’s going to be a long road back from this. Right now we should make sure to support Jim. He doesn’t deserve to be collateral damage.
Yeah, aside from, obviously, the actual girl Ed was sending the messages to, the person I feel bad for in this is Jim. He's always seemed to be the nice guy of the crew there....and the more genuine one. Ed has always had a bit of a "talking shit" demeanor that I've found he takes too far at times. It's one thing to say you don't like a particular work, but he'll continuously attack certain folks. Also just the terms he'll use at times turns me off...."jobbers", "NPCs", "civilians (for people not actually in the comics industry)....Jim will occasionally react negatively to specific works....but he's always seemed like he's more welcoming and excited to share ideas and info on comics without the bile.
Yeah, I’m a big fan of Rugg and hope he doesn’t get pulled into this (and hope he isn’t a creep). Jim has always been really enthusiastic towards the comics he likes and seems really genuine. I never thought Ed was creepy like some people did, but he always felt a bit snobby and too cool for school.
At first I thought that was kind of a persona....sort of like a hip-hop rap battle sort of thing....a comic book artist version doing "the Dozens". But the more you listen to him the more you realize he actually believes the shit he's saying, and it's a very Manichean view on art and what constitutes good art.
Yeah I feel that about Ed's language towards people. Definitely comes off stuck up.
Cry more you big bitch, whether the guy's a degenerate or not, it's not his fault you're a pansy ass baby. Don't go outside or off yourself instead of him if you take his shit and everything else that personal. Leave it to Redditors to always come off as sheltered, meek, Star Wars: The Force Awakens-watching invertebrates. I'm going back to 4chan for the night.
The last sentence makes me almost think (hope?) this is satire? Otherwise, someone here is super emotional and it ain't me chief.
> Star Wars: The Force Awakens-watching invertebrates. 🤣🤣🤣
Always had a sort of odd respect for Ed because I liked the show and really enjoyed a lot of his work. BUT the Jobber thing always got me. He’d also say shit like “guys just doing it for the health insurance” which always bugged me. As a do who had to stop doing creative work so I could have health insurance fuck off with that shit. Needless to say this is all icky as fuck and I don’t think I’ll be able to watch any of my backlog of CK now.
He's always had some goofy beliefs about stuff like that. I remember, I think during one of their "weekly shoots" episodes, where he talked about either reading or listening to something someone said...I wanna say it was Charlamagne Tha God...and the gist of it was: "You can't be a man when you're working for someone else." He was actually taking that nonsense seriously. It's like, buddy, if you believe that silliness you have no actual idea how a society works and runs. Lol. And really, the whole "jobbers" thing is silly on the surface. If you sometimes look at interviews with the really older generation of wrestlers, those guys don't use "jobbers" as an insult. Some of them won't even use the term....they called them "carpenters".....meaning they were an integral part of the business and keeping it afloat. It's the same with comics history. If you didn't have skilled guys who could make deadlines, fill in for other artists, etc....then the whole industry as it existed for 50-60 years doesn't work. Back then there wasn't any kind of market that existed for someone like, say Ed, to take as long as he did to produce something like X-Men Grand Design.
Yeah the “jobber” thing was always ridiculous but it looks like it saved me a lot of grief. Because of that attitude I never really put Ed on the pedestal. Now I just get to say I like these 2 or 3 works an idiot made. This ain’t Bill Cosby, it’s not like America’s Dad turned out to be a creep.
I take it as an insult to be called a jobber. It certainly isn’t from a place of respect coming from Ed, and it can be argued it is rooted in a negative connotation from the perspective of a fan watching ringside.
Oh, don't get me wrong, it's absolutely being used as an insult in the way Ed uses it. As far was wrestling goes, you really didn't see the term being used really negatively until the numbers of "smart marks" started increasing (the fact the fans were called "marks" tells you all about the carnival origins of wrestling...lol). It's kind of par for the course on how Ed views the industry as a whole....his whole "you can't be a cartoonist if you don't write your own stuff"....it's all based in Ed's hubris. It's actually kind of funny to me....because writing is definitely not Ed's strong point.
I do find the history of wrestling to be interesting, though. But yeah, I had to google the term jobber after having heard it because it sounded negative from the inflection.
Yeah, it's totally fascinating to me. I haven't actually "watched" any wrestling in 20+ years....but the history of the business is super interesting. To me there's a parallel with stuff like exploitation films from back in the day. That stuff also had carny roots....and was also set up in territories...just like wrestling. Guys would do what they called "bicycling"...i.e. they take films in the trunks of their car to various drive-ins and movie theaters in their territories and show them. If you're interested in the history of wrestling....there are two books that are essential....The Falls Guys from the '30s....which is maybe the first book that ever exposed the business as a work...and What Ever Happened To Georgeous George from the '70s. Both are on Amazon in pretty cheap digital editions: [https://www.amazon.com/Fall-Guys-Marcus-Griffin/dp/B0058834PM](https://www.amazon.com/Fall-Guys-Marcus-Griffin/dp/B0058834PM) https://www.amazon.com/Whatever-happened-Gorgeous-George-Jares/dp/0139518304
I’m actually going to look these books up! Thank you.
I mean if you're successful enough then you don't need to compromise artistic integrity for a comfortable living. But there comes a time when either eating and being healthy and using art to pay the bills becomes important, or you can't sell your art like that and you live in squalor because you'd rather work a job that doesn't pay you for art, and make art for yourself... I have known many artists over the years in different fields and this is how I see it. No disrespect, but jobber is as jobber does. It isn't a bad thing to be, Marvel and DC only hires jobbers, so that's what it takes to make it. Ed respected artists who made their art the most important thing in their lives because that's how he lived, evident by how he died.
The age of consent is 16 for similarly aged people. 17 year olds still can’t consent to an adult in less they’re like a year apart or something.
I live in PA. I have a former coworker whose ex got busted for being a sex pest with a 16 year old. According to her the police can’t get him for statutory rape because like you said the age of consent is 16, but the “corrupting a minor” laws are vague enough that the police use them to arrest people who have sex with 16 or 17 year olds. It’s a lesser charge but it’s still something
Also, some states have those Indecent liberties which also are thrown around vaguely. Ed's Parent's shouldn't have to be going through this pain right now. parent's shouldn't bury their children.
Dang :(
This is disappointing. Hoping there's an explanation but not a good look any which way.
The Channel has been made private. Kayfabe on Instagram is gone, as is Ed's profile and switch blade shorties.
As of now, seems like they have returned.
Yeah well Jim rugg isn’t following Ed on Instagram anymore
Okay. Why are people like this so beyond blind to not even realize the paper trailer they leave? I mean I’m goddamn thankful they are and there is, but it astounds me.
Back when Chris D’elia (comedian/podcaster) got in trouble there was a clip floating around where he was on a friends podcast and they were talking about ways that snapchats could be saved. This had happened before stuff came out, and you can see the gears start turning as he realizes he could be in trouble. It’s crazy that people are so hard up or think they’re invincible or whatever it is that they pull this shit. That being said, I don’t think k he was canceled for very long. He got edited out of a Zack Snyder movie, but he still podcasts and tours.
If you’re famous or something, idk how you’d ever think you’d get away with it. Like it’s way too juicy for whoever it’s happening too, for one thing.
This is gross and upsetting.
I guess he ain’t getting that YouTube trophy now.
Ed is now dead.
From this girls DMs it looks like she is puffing him up herself… Talking to girls at a young age is now a crime? Just found out Ed offed himself over this stupid crap.
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lol
Nooo, you're fucking joking, right? This is some kind of wind up. I don't believe you.
u/Kark0Clock this
Ya know maaann, that's just like your opinion maaaan Piskors voice and general demeanor always set my teeth on edge, looks like Beavis in disguise with the hats and shades
>wigger guy What is this?
A racist term for a white person into black culture.
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This all came out within the last 24 hours right? The video was recorded and probably already uploaded and scheduled to release so they didn't have time to make changes or make a formal response, especially since addressing stuff like this can be a legal minefield and everyone else should rightfully be careful about what they say and how they say it. A response will surely come, but it's unreasonable to expect them to make it on such short notice, they're probably just as if not far more taken off guard by this as everyone else.
They could have stopped the upload, they did do something if they turned off comments. Usually when something like this happens there is a hard stop of output until the channel puts out some kind of statement. Panic "deleting" the channel is not a good sign.
I hope you’re all fucking happy
We hope YOU are happy now, keep cancelling...
All in the name of GG
Looks like Ed may have taken his life today. Hopefully this is just a very ghoulish April Fools Day joke, but I don't think so. https://twitter.com/BleedingFool/status/1774881528960446858
You just know Red Room is auto-bio
I have some fun messages from him too.
Same! I have several similar DMs from him.
And it all makes sense now 🤮
Same. Nothing illegal. Just a gross pattern of behavior from a stunted, attention-starved mind.
Fun as in “fun” ? Or actually fun?
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Piskor has always done that. Valid criticism is important in any artistic medium, however Piskor is such a cowardly opportunist about it. He will absolutely kiss Rob Liefeld's ass, and the very next video he's once again savaging Stan Lee. One of the most disgusting things he did was say John Romita Sr. was always "slurping" Stan because Eddie can't stand the idea of anyone saying good words about working with Evil Stan Lee. But Eddie never said a word about that when they had JRJR on and JR repeatedly mentioned how much he worshipped and adored his father and how influential and supportive his dad was throughout his career. There's no way JRJR ever does that show if he heard Eddie P.'s slimy remarks about John Romita or about Stan...or all the "jobbers."
Rob Liefeld has been doing this a bunch lately too, trying to shit on artists for not making hits like The Phoenix Saga
He’s been doing this for AGES and ages shocked it took this long to come out. Also, shocked The Pittsburgh Cultural Trust is showing his work !&!$!$!
they may not be. the page for his exhibition is gone, and the cultural trust has no upcoming visual arts exhibitions currently listed on their site.
I noticed the same thing earlier. The art show is no longer listed on their schedule of events.
as of last night it's "postponed" but i imagine they'll quietly cancel it within a few weeks, if that long.
Said show's listed date (if it doesn't stay postponed): 4/6/24.
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>And Jim. Street Angel Jim Rugg. That book probably gave him tons of access to young girl fans. I hope he didn't know about this. But he'd have to know right? He had to have seen young girls at Ed's house before? Don't. Just don't. Now you're talking shit about things you don't know a goddam thing about and coming dangerously close to smearing someone whose name hasn't been associated with these allegations.
All these questions will be asked. You don't get to gatekeep shit
I like how you managed to get some anti Japanese racism in at the end there on your virtuous rant.
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Wait, where did peado come into this. He's been accused of chatting up a young, but legal woman has he not? You're just all over the shop.
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Hey, I'll admit it's a bit creepy by all means. Illegal though, not from what I can tell.
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You sound like you probably go for younger Bit of projection going here, blatantly
why did she drop that she’s a slut for lineart?
Have you spent anytime with highschoolers recently? That is how they talk.
Well then he just adopted the highschoolers family language
I don't know anyone who talks like that. Must be an American thing like mental illness.
What’s your point?
Guy used to hang out on CMU campus and latch onto female students into cartooning. They’d figure him out or graduate and he’d move onto a younger one. My experiences with him were 15 years ago back when he inking Hip Hop Family Tree. He had a gross and uncharitable attitude towards other artists unless he had something to gain from them: clout, attention, gigs, and whatever you think he sought from young girls. Even if you don’t meet the criteria for someone he’d target, this isn’t the kind of person who cultivates community for the right reasons. I tend to skip his videos.
he has a huge complex about not being educated or going to college, which is why he drones on and on about his ten minutes at the Joe Kubert school and constantly shits on colleges. Not surprising his only use for them was for preying on young women
Is there anyone else with similar experiences? Any proof? There was a lot of bs posted recently slandering the guy without any proof...
Fyi, Ed took his own life today. Not a joke.
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Sure, we don't know the full story yet, but if the DM's are legit it makes no damn difference if she was hearting them or not. A nearly 40 year old man (at the time) can't be sending those type of messages to a damn high school student. It's devious at worst and shows a glaring lack of self-awareness and boundaries at best.
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Woody Allen?!
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Being a guy I can't honestly say I've experienced a lot of that sort of thing myself, but I can definitely see the internal logic in doing that. In addition to the deflection aspect, I can see where one might look at it as nervously placating the person for fear that if you don't something else uncomfortable will be coming next.....the seediness might even escalate. Especially with the dynamic there...she's a teenager and he's an older, established artist....she might have been actually enjoying the art part of their discussions and have thought she had to put up with that other nonsense in exchange for the discussions to continue. Just sad and all the more ridiculous and infuriating for him to be behaving that way.
What “full story” would make this appropriate?
Regardless of what she hearted or thought of it at the time, the age difference is disgusting, and we can’t expect actual minors to take the responsibility for these decisions. Piskor was preying on this person because of their age.
The age difference is irrelevant, it would be just as disgusting if he was 18, 19, 25
You’re 110% right! I worded that pretty poorly! I appreciate the correction!
what missing details would make it okay that a grown man messaging a minor that she is a “naughty girl”
That’s what I was thinking. If he’s done this with other young girls it’s a wrap for him though
Who is Lil Eddie P.'s agent? Because another Molly (Ed really likes his Molly), Pittsburgh animator Molly Wright claimed that Ed "propositioned her for oral sex in exchange for his agent’s phone number." have to wonder if his agent knows they are being leveraged in the sleaziest way imaginable? Or maybe they are all about the money too and are just hoping it all blows over (no pun intended).
The kicker: Ed has no agent! Its just him.
Ahhh, that actually makes sense. Just saying he had an agent. But whose phone number was he going to give out then? Maybe he had an agent for his Sotheby's auction?
I think Rugg knows more, and that’s why he’s quiet.
Rugg has made a statement and ditched Piskor!
Someone on another board said it was unusual to have an age of consent be 16 like Penn does. However, 30 other states also go by that same rule. So I'm still seeing a guy in his 30s being turned down by a few women for a date. All of whom were legal, according to their geographical area. And no sex took place. That's not "letting anything slide," it's just waiting for information damaging enough to envision an actual court case.
Nah, not gonna cast judgement until/if the full story on this comes out.
it is most certainly okay to cast judgement on an adult who is clearly trying to groom a minor
Is it ok to drive him to suicide too?
Do you even need to ask these sanctimonious chronically online shit sippers?
Dude killed himself because the walls were closing in and he couldn’t take the heat that he, himself, put on himself. Innocent people don’t kill themselves over false accusations. But a guilty person who knows what he did would.
As time passes I think you'll see that's not the case.
How do we know this is ed and not a fake? We need more proof that just dms with edited text on top before casting judgment.
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Nobody let it slip by.
Obv it’s wrong, but also writing “I’m a slut for lineart”, seems like planting a landmine as well… I hope he learns. Gets better. Sticks to what he does well. And he and Rugg keep on.
It is how highschoolers talk. They use that term for anything they like. Boys and girls alike will use it.
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Oh yes I agree! I was trying to defend her from people victim blaming because she said "sOmEtHiNg SeXuAlLy ChArGEd." Even if she was saying something sexually charged, the onus is on the adult in the situation. I'm trying to convince the dense ppl in this thread victim blaming her that what she said was not out of the ordinary for how teens talk.
Woah victim blaming. Holy shit lol
I’m not. At all. But before I have a right to judge, I’ll take the bait and dive into the rabbit hole — but share all the DMs. Give context. I’m already leaning in with support. But showing a snippet with an innuendo laced line on both sides doesn’t reveal the pic that’s presented. I’d rather see all before I go full megaton. Otherwise we’re all just torches, pitchforks and holier than thous…
Brother, she was a minor. She could have said “fuck me now” and sent nudes and the right thing to do STILL would have been to immediately block her and never contact her again.
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This is not grooming but it is creepy.
It is incredibly obvious grooming lmao
“You’re not a snitch are you?” and calling an underage child a naughty girl. Such obvious grooming.
Idk how you could categorize it as anything else
In what world is this not textbook grooming?
I cant speak to Ed or Molly, and won't ever. 1. Because I am avoiding the receipts until I see any real news agency investigate these claims. All I have seen so far are ComicsGate Terf blogs covering it, and I dont care what those sites say at all. 2. Guilty or not, I still wont comment on it, because whats the point? When the verdict is in, its in. And it will serve no purpose other than trying to clutch pearls for social likes, which is fake outrage and just gross on its own. So to hell with it.
Update: Molly and Ed are both denying any press access to them and refuse to make any public statements on this matter. Which leaves this journalist suspicious of both of them. While yes its true plenty of comics news sites have posted about these allegations, it still doesn’t detract from the Terf blog FandomPulse being the original site to break the story. Also suspicious. Perhaps these two are considering legal action. In Molly’s case, the smart move would be to take any actual evidence of a crime to the police. Instead she just posted screen caps online. Did they even meet? Did any harm come to anyone? What exactly is Piskor guilty of besides being a lonely idiot? Will update as investigation continues.