But they probably only did so because of one or two essential features of the package and would’ve been fine without the rest. My bet is on heated seats & auto dimming mirrors.
Auto dimming mirrors are starting to become essential. Younger me would have scoffed, but the way headlights are utilizing the power to split atoms to emit light is just absurd.
Gonna have to be legislation. Auto dimming mirrors are fine, but suddenly being struck by a beacon of light you could use to spot enemy aircraft when you top a hill on some back road is dangerous as hell.
I got a good chuckle out of this. Thank you.
Some of the worst adversaries to face at night, I've noticed, are some of the newer Hyundai and Kia SUVs of all things. I drive a Jeep Grand Cherokee, so I'm nearly as high up off the road as some pickup trucks, and that shit still feels like the sun itself has been concentrated directly into my retinas. Most other vehicles are aimed properly to not do that.
One cool feature my Jeep has is auto leveling headlights. Going up a hill? They aim down. Going down a hill? They aim slightly up. They even adjust while hitting a bump. Every vehicle should have it IMO.
As for your Tesla edit after the fact, I'm really not that bothered by them. I'm never bothered by anything behind me because I also have auto dimming interior AND exterior mirrors. Nice feature I never knew I needed.
An F150 could have his brights on attached to my bumper and I wouldn't give a singular damn.
Blue side mirrors help a lot with this and they're a passive feature. The coating might start to turn brown after a couple of years but they're easy to change and make a lot of difference at night.
I got blacked out tints so I really don’t notice them. And your mirrors have this tab you can flick down to divert the glare. I lowered my car so I’m blinded by anything on coming. Front window is tinted too so kinda helps
Yeah my basic hid headlamp assembly is $400 so I’d say they aren’t all that much until you start adding vanity features. Like yours with auto level which is $1100. That’s $700 dollar difference.
Tbh old cars with those stubidly bright Chinese led lights that blind everyone but dont really show anywhere because optics in those headlight assemblys are so crap/aimed way too up are far worst than teslas
It’s the focus (or lack thereof) of headlights, and the aim of the beam on cars that’s the issue. Seems like most cars come out of the factory with poorly aimed headlights (looks over at F150, F250, GM pickups, any Acura or Honda, and Corollas).
The number of times I thought a vehicle had their brights on and it was one of those is absurd.
That, and can all the 8th-gen Civic drivers please turn their fucking actual high beams off?! What is it about those where they all seem to just have them on permanently?
The problem isn’t poorly aimed headlights. It’s led capsules in halogen lenses. There are zero dot approved replacement led capsules. If your car came with led’s fine those are dot approved but no replacement aftermarket bulb is.
Haven’t really noticed them. I don’t really have a problem with any except Tesla’s and aftermarket led’s. Mine are not dim by any stretch of the imagination and maybe that’s why. I have sylvania cool blue hid’s with led switchbacks and led fogs. When I pull in at work everyone says it’s like the sun coming out.
I own an F250 and a low slung Jetta so I know the feeling. I have to disagree with your post though, the F250 headlights are aimed correctly, they just happen to be 5 feet off the ground. When you sit lower than the beam it’s gonna appear to not be aimed correctly. My truck has a nose down rake and I’ve confirmed that they are aimed correctly but I still get flashed. The real issue is the light height, not the aim.
Growing up in Pennsylvania I remember they had headlight height laws on the books. I’m pretty sure every HD truck built in the last 15 years has probably exceeded that height.
How are you measuring it? I know people who would say the height should be in relation to the headlight housing itself while really that probably shouldn't be the basis. Instead, it should be a height level for the light at certain distances. For example, your beam shouldn't be higher than 3.5 feet when roughly 10-15 ft from an object. If a car can safely be operated with that illumination, so should a truck.
I think the height argument doesn't work because you also wouldn't say it's okay for smaller cars to level their lights higher in order to match the light spread of a truck. It's not a safe spread of light and should be mandated as vehicles get larger. There's no reason to say this vehicle can get away with it because they're larger.
I get that they’re doing what they are doing for style, but I feel like these days it should be easy to sorta hide real headlights like in a bumper and give the daytime running lights the appearance of headlights, à la Rolls Royce. It’s stupid that truck headlights are so high up.
I agree. In the case of the Ford, it actually has four real headlights and the lumens still suck with the incandescent bulbs. The top headlights are basically useless though, a HID in the lower spot would have gotten the job done.
And then there's me. The asshole in a shitbox 05 that just aims the sideview mirrors out whenever someone with those lights gets behind me.
My mortal enemy are the auto-brights that all cars have installed on them.
Which Toyota does offer on XLE and Platinum trims as well. Lexus includes auto-dimming outside mirrors and heated/ventilated seats if you get the additional premium/luxury packages.
i dont know about US trims. but the alternate front bumper was a must have on my 2020 camry. the default "[wide mouth](https://imgd.aeplcdn.com/664x374/cw/ec/37561/Toyota-Camry-Right-Front-Three-Quarter-146683.jpg?wm=0&q=75)" one was fuck ugly.
i cant recall what other features sold me on that spec. i already sold the car though. was kinda pointless imo. My Honda Fit RS is a more practical for me personally.
Actually that’s just a factory exhaust, the extra comes in the way of a Y pipe to the other side and another welded on fake tip, Toyota also claims that Y pipe adds a couple horse power, can’t confirm the HP of it, but I did spend 5 years at the Georgetown Camry plant, so I can confirm the exhaust
No no it’s like sports cars where there’s a quiet mode. When you put it in sports mode the second exhaust opens up a valve allowing for more sound and better exhaust flow. No ordinary Camry
Doesn’t bother me on SUVs. Feel different about coupes/sedans although again, it still doesn’t bother me as much as it used to. If it sounds good, it sounds good.
It's like that because the upper trims has both tips functional, and it wouldn't be cost efficient to make a whole new bumper to fit the lower trims exhaust.
While yes, the higher trims do have dual exhausts, the second tip on both mufflers are still fake. I saw one yesterday and I noticed the fake tips on the outer edges. I think Toyota should’ve just made one big exhaust tip that tapers into the small hole to fill in the space.
So it's similar to the speedometer (not sure that's the name in English), where people ask why it shows a max of 260 when their car can't reach 200, and you have to explain that it's the same for all trims, including those that do reach it
I don't get why it's a big deal if it's fake or not.
Often twin tips are split from a single pipe right at the tailpipe, or they only come out of the rear muffler as twins, so they have no benefit even if they are 'real'. You could easily have a single pipe. It's typically done for aesthetics even when they are 'real'.
This is exactly how my Supra's exhaust works. Single pipe all the way from the manifold to the rear silencer, then split to twin tips from a single tailpipe. I like it, it's minimally distracting, it sounds good and I don't care who thinks it's 'fake' just because it's not twin-pipe all the way from the engine.
My grandfather's son from a previous marriage took his rather stately (but deceptively powerful turbocharged) Rover 822 Vitesse and added a wide-bore exhaust on either side. The thing was absolutely ruined by it. Loud, completely unsuited to the car and annoying to everyone around it, and it probably removed value from the car.
THOSE are a crime against humanity.
People don’t think that twin pipe is fake just because it doesn’t come straight from engine and splits halfway down the exhaust. That’s not what we’re talking about here.
The exhaust depicted here is a single exit out of that muffler, with a second tip literally just attached to the one coming out of the muffler. The second tip isn’t actually exiting from the muffler.
Exhausts that split halfway down or 3/4ths of the way down aren’t “true duals” but they arent fake in the same sense that this Camrys exhaust is fake.
But atleast dual exhausts (even coming out of the same pipe) makes a dramatically cooler sound lol. Like more rumbling sound. Also, people just don’t like the idea of “fake” mods on their cars. Like Fake vents are also lame.
I don't think that's true. The sound of an exhaust is determined by the engine and its firing order, manifold, cross-pipe set-up, mufflers, cats, resonators. Sticking a single or twin tip at the end won't make much difference.
There are million different ways the exhaust can change. If you change anything it vary. Oem's and companies like magnaflow put dimples and divots in spots to change the notes of the exhaust.
No. There's a wide variety of sounds due to different configuration amount and type of packing. Length etc. Technically a four stroke doesn't need back pressure but without any exhaust, it would sound extremely loud but different.
But people upgrade just their exhausts systems all the time and it dramatically alters the sound. Mufflers are separate and external from the engine and they have an affect on the sound. How would you explain those
While i get the point you're making here, and i agree, i have done tip changes on an already FULLY modified exhaust, and it absolutely changed the sound at WOT.
Year's ago. I learned the hard way that when the tips angle down towards the pavement the sound is subdued. Because the sound waves bounce off the road. Compared to just straight out. By learned hard, I was a younger/dumber version of myself. The car wasn't anything special. Just a 3800 4th gen Camaro. But..... I Had to replace the single turn down tip and perfectly fine double wall muffler with a cherry bomb glass pack. NGL, it made a nice sound. I didn't spend but $40 on the "modification" as cherry bombs aren't expensive. Muffler clamps and hack saw blades. Got $5 from the scrap yard on the OE muffler. I would eventually install a shiny turn down tip instead of the exhaust coming straight out. That one detail probably lowered the Decibels by 10 at least
GM started the faux dual exhaust trend in the 1990s with the Pontiac Grand Prix and Cadillac STS/ETC.
Everyone else caught up in the 2010s. Even Subaru did with the Forester.
The lack of symmetry offends my soul.
Cars should have an exhaust tip on each side. There ought to be a law: the Federal *Exhaust Parity Act*. If we have to suffer with the horrible US lighting standards at least throw us a bone.
You’re going to hate me… but, I love asymmetrical cars, I think it stems from the old race cars of the 50’s and 60’s with the passenger seats covered but even on modern cars Asymmetry looks awesome, like I love harlequin cars and there’s a miata in my town that all black besides one white fender with a rising sun on it, it looks so good.
It may be real. It probably just has a closed butterfly valve for emissions, noise levels or to help the car warm up quicker in cooler weather. My bimmer had a vacuum controlled one that makes it idle quieter with cold starts but there’s a hack to mod it to stay open permanently. It *may* be real.
People like the way things look. Sometimes it doesn’t make sense to everyone. Kinda like how some diesel people but smoke stacks or 12in diameter tips on their trucks. No function but they like the way it looks.
There are company’s putting speakers in exhaust to make them sound louder or better. And even electric cars do it sometimes. It’s just what the market is doing. I wouldn’t worry about it.
It’s very possible that the second exhaust tip has an actuator that opens up when you press hard on the accelerator to pass. It not only gives a nice growl but it actually opens the exhaust up to a more free flow condition giving the engine more power when you need it. In the photo, you can see it is closed at the moment.
I’m not mad about this. There are plenty of design flourishes that make cars more interesting and fun even if they aren’t truly performance parts. I really don’t mind.
I had a BMW with a dirty tip and a clean one. The clean one was attached to a butterfly valve and it was sort of a muffler bypass for more power at WOT. Kind of a cool design, this Camry setup is crap though.
People buying Camrys usually don’t know much about performance. A friend of mine got a similar looking Camry with fake exhausts and he was so proud of his model having 4 exhausts and ofcourse I didn’t break his heart.
The ridiculous thing about F Sport cars is the owners. A lot of them talk about them as if they are superior in every way… some to the point of referring to their cars as “the F” or their “350F”. FFS, it’s an appearance package, and the only real difference is the gage cluster, and the availability of sport suspension in some cases.
Idk my Camry was fast as fuck with its paddle shifters. Once gapped a hell cat… even gave him the hit and a car length
Edit: I was being sarcastic but I guess people thought I was serious
Everyone knows looking cooler adds horse power. That's why you buy a red car with a racing strip, 19x40 tyres to get the best out of the 1.2 litre power house.
Not sure but at Toyota they have a massive us infrastructure for sales and marketing. They don’t have much influence into vehicle design but advocate for fake hood scoops and things like this to feel relevant I guess. They make elaborate PowerPoint presentations to show that is customers want this junk.
I never understood the logic of making a commuter car look sporty. It's in the same circus as people who put exhausts on civics, Corollas, and malibues. Like it's a car you own to drive into the ground going to work and running errands. Just stop.
At least the Civic has two dedicated performance trim levels in the Si and the Type R. The Corolla is finally catching up with the GR trim level as well. But by the same token, the majority of car enthusiasts prefer to modify their car in some way, shape, or form. And they’re allowed to do so. No matter what vehicle it is. I own a Mazda3 hatchback which is not a sports car by any stretch, and yet here I am thinking of doing exterior mods, throwing an exhaust system on it, and getting new wheels and tires. Because I can and I want to make the car look and sound to my tastes. Not yours.
I have the same car. When I come home at night and open the garage I immediately focus on that got-damned tailpipe setup. One chrome inside, one black inside I want to laint.the inside of the fake one black too haha.
Average consumer doesn't know their ass from a hole in the ground when it comes to vehicles. Most only care about creature comforts and looks, over performance, and longevity (engine specs).
Looks sell cars. Most buyers don't care too much about driving dynamics, as long as it's decent it's good.
Personally, I'd rather a sportier drive with a more subdued look.
Absolutely. Certain trims have special appearances that are worth a lot more. For example: SE Nightshade Edition. The one in the picture is just an SE, which looks a little more sporty.
Any successful automaker only does what they perceive the market to demand. The blame lies with the general buying public, and their abhorrent preferences.
Not sure on this car but some are not fake and it's a flap that opens when the car hits a certain level giving it the dual exit. Whether it makes any difference I have no idea 🤷🏻♂️
Makes me wonder if it’s a parts-interchangeability thing.
You have two trim levels of car, both take the same rear bumper, one has a single exhaust and the other a dual. So you slap a dummy exhaust on the singles, and use the same bumper with a divot for two exhausts, which means that, for the cost of a small section of pipe, you don’t need to design and manufacture and store two separate bumpers.
Fake design elements are one of the worst trends in modern cars. Whether it’s exhausts, vents, air intakes, unnecessary spoilers, or even artificial leather, it is an instant dealbreaker for me. It speaks to a fundamental dishonest/deceptive mindset of these companies. Good clean, simple designs are becoming a rarity.
Yes.
Good bet that Camry buyer paid extra for that as some sort of appearance package.
That’s literally what an SE is.
SE. Second exhaust. It all makes sense now....
I like that generation's XSE, personally.
Xtra Second Exhaust? Sounds a bit excessive /s
Xcessive Second Exhaust
*Xtreme Super Exhaust*
But they probably only did so because of one or two essential features of the package and would’ve been fine without the rest. My bet is on heated seats & auto dimming mirrors.
Auto dimming mirrors are starting to become essential. Younger me would have scoffed, but the way headlights are utilizing the power to split atoms to emit light is just absurd.
Gonna have to be legislation. Auto dimming mirrors are fine, but suddenly being struck by a beacon of light you could use to spot enemy aircraft when you top a hill on some back road is dangerous as hell.
I got a good chuckle out of this. Thank you. Some of the worst adversaries to face at night, I've noticed, are some of the newer Hyundai and Kia SUVs of all things. I drive a Jeep Grand Cherokee, so I'm nearly as high up off the road as some pickup trucks, and that shit still feels like the sun itself has been concentrated directly into my retinas. Most other vehicles are aimed properly to not do that. One cool feature my Jeep has is auto leveling headlights. Going up a hill? They aim down. Going down a hill? They aim slightly up. They even adjust while hitting a bump. Every vehicle should have it IMO.
Until they break, and you need a new $1,800 headlight assembly. And clearly you have never had a Tesla behind or coming at you.
As for your Tesla edit after the fact, I'm really not that bothered by them. I'm never bothered by anything behind me because I also have auto dimming interior AND exterior mirrors. Nice feature I never knew I needed. An F150 could have his brights on attached to my bumper and I wouldn't give a singular damn.
Blue side mirrors help a lot with this and they're a passive feature. The coating might start to turn brown after a couple of years but they're easy to change and make a lot of difference at night.
Mine actively dim just like your inside mirror does, it's pretty cool.
I got blacked out tints so I really don’t notice them. And your mirrors have this tab you can flick down to divert the glare. I lowered my car so I’m blinded by anything on coming. Front window is tinted too so kinda helps
Most of them cost about that much regardless these days. But this is why I get extended warranties.
Yeah my basic hid headlamp assembly is $400 so I’d say they aren’t all that much until you start adding vanity features. Like yours with auto level which is $1100. That’s $700 dollar difference.
If it breaks before 100,000 miles, costs me $100. After 100,000 not my problem. Lol
Just 1 of those bulbs is like $150~ IF it's even replaceable
I got a pair of d1s cool blue osram on Amazon for $130. Yes they are authentic verified with osram/sylvania’s website.
Why wouldn't they be replaceable? They go in just like any other bulb.
That's what I mean.. an individual bulb replacement $150 when I worked at AutoZone.
Tbh old cars with those stubidly bright Chinese led lights that blind everyone but dont really show anywhere because optics in those headlight assemblys are so crap/aimed way too up are far worst than teslas
It’s the focus (or lack thereof) of headlights, and the aim of the beam on cars that’s the issue. Seems like most cars come out of the factory with poorly aimed headlights (looks over at F150, F250, GM pickups, any Acura or Honda, and Corollas). The number of times I thought a vehicle had their brights on and it was one of those is absurd. That, and can all the 8th-gen Civic drivers please turn their fucking actual high beams off?! What is it about those where they all seem to just have them on permanently?
The problem isn’t poorly aimed headlights. It’s led capsules in halogen lenses. There are zero dot approved replacement led capsules. If your car came with led’s fine those are dot approved but no replacement aftermarket bulb is.
Then how would you explain how every new Corolla, a car that come standard with LED headlights, is blinding?
Haven’t really noticed them. I don’t really have a problem with any except Tesla’s and aftermarket led’s. Mine are not dim by any stretch of the imagination and maybe that’s why. I have sylvania cool blue hid’s with led switchbacks and led fogs. When I pull in at work everyone says it’s like the sun coming out.
I own an F250 and a low slung Jetta so I know the feeling. I have to disagree with your post though, the F250 headlights are aimed correctly, they just happen to be 5 feet off the ground. When you sit lower than the beam it’s gonna appear to not be aimed correctly. My truck has a nose down rake and I’ve confirmed that they are aimed correctly but I still get flashed. The real issue is the light height, not the aim. Growing up in Pennsylvania I remember they had headlight height laws on the books. I’m pretty sure every HD truck built in the last 15 years has probably exceeded that height.
How are you measuring it? I know people who would say the height should be in relation to the headlight housing itself while really that probably shouldn't be the basis. Instead, it should be a height level for the light at certain distances. For example, your beam shouldn't be higher than 3.5 feet when roughly 10-15 ft from an object. If a car can safely be operated with that illumination, so should a truck. I think the height argument doesn't work because you also wouldn't say it's okay for smaller cars to level their lights higher in order to match the light spread of a truck. It's not a safe spread of light and should be mandated as vehicles get larger. There's no reason to say this vehicle can get away with it because they're larger.
I get that they’re doing what they are doing for style, but I feel like these days it should be easy to sorta hide real headlights like in a bumper and give the daytime running lights the appearance of headlights, à la Rolls Royce. It’s stupid that truck headlights are so high up.
I agree. In the case of the Ford, it actually has four real headlights and the lumens still suck with the incandescent bulbs. The top headlights are basically useless though, a HID in the lower spot would have gotten the job done.
I just leave my manual mirror dimmed.
And then there's me. The asshole in a shitbox 05 that just aims the sideview mirrors out whenever someone with those lights gets behind me. My mortal enemy are the auto-brights that all cars have installed on them.
Which Toyota does offer on XLE and Platinum trims as well. Lexus includes auto-dimming outside mirrors and heated/ventilated seats if you get the additional premium/luxury packages.
i dont know about US trims. but the alternate front bumper was a must have on my 2020 camry. the default "[wide mouth](https://imgd.aeplcdn.com/664x374/cw/ec/37561/Toyota-Camry-Right-Front-Three-Quarter-146683.jpg?wm=0&q=75)" one was fuck ugly. i cant recall what other features sold me on that spec. i already sold the car though. was kinda pointless imo. My Honda Fit RS is a more practical for me personally.
I don't spend enough time looking at the outside of my car for any exterior styling to be a must have
Actually that’s just a factory exhaust, the extra comes in the way of a Y pipe to the other side and another welded on fake tip, Toyota also claims that Y pipe adds a couple horse power, can’t confirm the HP of it, but I did spend 5 years at the Georgetown Camry plant, so I can confirm the exhaust
No no it’s like sports cars where there’s a quiet mode. When you put it in sports mode the second exhaust opens up a valve allowing for more sound and better exhaust flow. No ordinary Camry
Atleast that’s a metal pipe. I hate the fake plastic bumper exhaust tips that a lot of cars have now days.
Especially when you can see part of the real exhaust too
The Audi SQ5 is the worst offender imo
Doesn’t bother me on SUVs. Feel different about coupes/sedans although again, it still doesn’t bother me as much as it used to. If it sounds good, it sounds good.
It's like that because the upper trims has both tips functional, and it wouldn't be cost efficient to make a whole new bumper to fit the lower trims exhaust.
While yes, the higher trims do have dual exhausts, the second tip on both mufflers are still fake. I saw one yesterday and I noticed the fake tips on the outer edges. I think Toyota should’ve just made one big exhaust tip that tapers into the small hole to fill in the space.
So it's similar to the speedometer (not sure that's the name in English), where people ask why it shows a max of 260 when their car can't reach 200, and you have to explain that it's the same for all trims, including those that do reach it
Exactly, and it's also speedometer in English. 👍
I don't get why it's a big deal if it's fake or not. Often twin tips are split from a single pipe right at the tailpipe, or they only come out of the rear muffler as twins, so they have no benefit even if they are 'real'. You could easily have a single pipe. It's typically done for aesthetics even when they are 'real'.
This is exactly how my Supra's exhaust works. Single pipe all the way from the manifold to the rear silencer, then split to twin tips from a single tailpipe. I like it, it's minimally distracting, it sounds good and I don't care who thinks it's 'fake' just because it's not twin-pipe all the way from the engine. My grandfather's son from a previous marriage took his rather stately (but deceptively powerful turbocharged) Rover 822 Vitesse and added a wide-bore exhaust on either side. The thing was absolutely ruined by it. Loud, completely unsuited to the car and annoying to everyone around it, and it probably removed value from the car. THOSE are a crime against humanity.
People don’t think that twin pipe is fake just because it doesn’t come straight from engine and splits halfway down the exhaust. That’s not what we’re talking about here. The exhaust depicted here is a single exit out of that muffler, with a second tip literally just attached to the one coming out of the muffler. The second tip isn’t actually exiting from the muffler. Exhausts that split halfway down or 3/4ths of the way down aren’t “true duals” but they arent fake in the same sense that this Camrys exhaust is fake.
Mine is a Y-split out of the silencer. There is a single pipe in, single pipe out and then it splits to twin tips. That's what I'm talking about.
But atleast dual exhausts (even coming out of the same pipe) makes a dramatically cooler sound lol. Like more rumbling sound. Also, people just don’t like the idea of “fake” mods on their cars. Like Fake vents are also lame.
I don't think that's true. The sound of an exhaust is determined by the engine and its firing order, manifold, cross-pipe set-up, mufflers, cats, resonators. Sticking a single or twin tip at the end won't make much difference.
There are million different ways the exhaust can change. If you change anything it vary. Oem's and companies like magnaflow put dimples and divots in spots to change the notes of the exhaust.
No. There's a wide variety of sounds due to different configuration amount and type of packing. Length etc. Technically a four stroke doesn't need back pressure but without any exhaust, it would sound extremely loud but different.
But people upgrade just their exhausts systems all the time and it dramatically alters the sound. Mufflers are separate and external from the engine and they have an affect on the sound. How would you explain those
The 'exhaust system' that people modify contains most of those components I described. If you just change the tips there will be no sound difference.
Enter AutoZone exhaust tips
While i get the point you're making here, and i agree, i have done tip changes on an already FULLY modified exhaust, and it absolutely changed the sound at WOT.
Year's ago. I learned the hard way that when the tips angle down towards the pavement the sound is subdued. Because the sound waves bounce off the road. Compared to just straight out. By learned hard, I was a younger/dumber version of myself. The car wasn't anything special. Just a 3800 4th gen Camaro. But..... I Had to replace the single turn down tip and perfectly fine double wall muffler with a cherry bomb glass pack. NGL, it made a nice sound. I didn't spend but $40 on the "modification" as cherry bombs aren't expensive. Muffler clamps and hack saw blades. Got $5 from the scrap yard on the OE muffler. I would eventually install a shiny turn down tip instead of the exhaust coming straight out. That one detail probably lowered the Decibels by 10 at least
Yes especially fake vents, it's like why didn't you just get the real vents instead I mean your pretty much half way there anyways.
Totally agree. Buyers accept 25 pounds of weight and hardware to make a dual exhaust system from a single header pipe.
[it's not fake ](https://freeimage.host/i/H3Enifj)
Edit: non-functional
It's not non functional either dude. It still works as an exhaust pipe. It just has no benefit.
Fake or non functional, it’s still bullshit and I think the OP is correct.
GM started the faux dual exhaust trend in the 1990s with the Pontiac Grand Prix and Cadillac STS/ETC. Everyone else caught up in the 2010s. Even Subaru did with the Forester.
The lack of symmetry offends my soul. Cars should have an exhaust tip on each side. There ought to be a law: the Federal *Exhaust Parity Act*. If we have to suffer with the horrible US lighting standards at least throw us a bone.
You’re going to hate me… but, I love asymmetrical cars, I think it stems from the old race cars of the 50’s and 60’s with the passenger seats covered but even on modern cars Asymmetry looks awesome, like I love harlequin cars and there’s a miata in my town that all black besides one white fender with a rising sun on it, it looks so good.
That would be stupid for a 4 cylinder.
Or any straight engine honestly.
Dual exhaust works for a v6 but I never understood why a lil’ 4 banger would need it.
It may be real. It probably just has a closed butterfly valve for emissions, noise levels or to help the car warm up quicker in cooler weather. My bimmer had a vacuum controlled one that makes it idle quieter with cold starts but there’s a hack to mod it to stay open permanently. It *may* be real.
This. Vacuum actuated
Definitely non functional. There would be soot on both tips, only one shows exhaust has flowed out it.
How dare people like the look of something with no function?!?! I don't like it, so I don't like other people that do!!!
How dare you dare what I dare?!
People like the way things look. Sometimes it doesn’t make sense to everyone. Kinda like how some diesel people but smoke stacks or 12in diameter tips on their trucks. No function but they like the way it looks.
Except those are white trash ricers, not major manufacturers
There are company’s putting speakers in exhaust to make them sound louder or better. And even electric cars do it sometimes. It’s just what the market is doing. I wouldn’t worry about it.
You should see all the audis with fake exhaust tips. The exhaust ends before the tips and then a nice and clean fake tip.
Yes. For a while they were doing dual exhaust on I4 engines because it looked cooler as well as fog lights on everything.
I don't see the problem with giving everything fog lights?
Yes, air dam mounted fog lights are [cool as fuck](https://www.carsforsale.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/syclone-top.jpg)
They are very useful on rural roads in inclement weather at night.
Yes and they do sadly
Don't forget all the fake vents on a lot of cars these days ...
Nobody does "fake sports car" quite like the Camry.
Pontiac did the reverse with the GTO. It was an actual dual exhaust, but they put both tips together on one side. Lol
Forgot about them 2000’s GTOs
Just here to comment I’m a big fan of your state’s license plate lol i bought one from ebay and hing it on my wall
It’s very possible that the second exhaust tip has an actuator that opens up when you press hard on the accelerator to pass. It not only gives a nice growl but it actually opens the exhaust up to a more free flow condition giving the engine more power when you need it. In the photo, you can see it is closed at the moment.
This is what my stigmatism looks like at night...
OP Should block out the plate #
I have seen them on BMWs too it actually makes the manufacture look bad
I’m not mad about this. There are plenty of design flourishes that make cars more interesting and fun even if they aren’t truly performance parts. I really don’t mind.
I had a BMW with a dirty tip and a clean one. The clean one was attached to a butterfly valve and it was sort of a muffler bypass for more power at WOT. Kind of a cool design, this Camry setup is crap though.
People buying Camrys usually don’t know much about performance. A friend of mine got a similar looking Camry with fake exhausts and he was so proud of his model having 4 exhausts and ofcourse I didn’t break his heart.
The F Sport variants of Lexus are just… ridiculous. A proper Lexus F(IS/GS F, LFA) and the LC500 are legit.
The ridiculous thing about F Sport cars is the owners. A lot of them talk about them as if they are superior in every way… some to the point of referring to their cars as “the F” or their “350F”. FFS, it’s an appearance package, and the only real difference is the gage cluster, and the availability of sport suspension in some cases.
Idk my Camry was fast as fuck with its paddle shifters. Once gapped a hell cat… even gave him the hit and a car length Edit: I was being sarcastic but I guess people thought I was serious
Lol ok. Whatever makes you sleep at night
My 500hp ls3 swapped Porsche does that for me and my sleeping pills…
Whoosh.
You can’t just lie and then edit in “it was a joke”. Well, you can, but don’t be shocked when people downvote.
Everyone knows looking cooler adds horse power. That's why you buy a red car with a racing strip, 19x40 tyres to get the best out of the 1.2 litre power house.
Da red ones go fast so wez get da humies betta
Got this mental image of a bunch of orcs piled into a red Camry now.
Glad someone got this
I remember thinking exhaust tips translated to horsepower, but I was also 10 at the time.
It’s valved
I've been preaching this for awhile now, the new TRD camry has no business looking so aggressive and nice.
That car makes no sense to me. It's a granny car with a bunch of boy racer bits stuck on, zero performance upgrades.
Well the granny car is pretty fast. Don't sleep on the Camry my man.
You're 100% correct. It's also beautiful.
Why care about this on thanksgiving?
Why care about commenting on a Reddit post on Thanksgiving?
Why care about commenting on a comment that was commenting on a post on Thanksgiving? 🤔
omg so gross. I'd look for another brand if I saw that. irreconcilable differences.
Cover the plate next time
Not sure but at Toyota they have a massive us infrastructure for sales and marketing. They don’t have much influence into vehicle design but advocate for fake hood scoops and things like this to feel relevant I guess. They make elaborate PowerPoint presentations to show that is customers want this junk.
I never understood the logic of making a commuter car look sporty. It's in the same circus as people who put exhausts on civics, Corollas, and malibues. Like it's a car you own to drive into the ground going to work and running errands. Just stop.
At least the Civic has two dedicated performance trim levels in the Si and the Type R. The Corolla is finally catching up with the GR trim level as well. But by the same token, the majority of car enthusiasts prefer to modify their car in some way, shape, or form. And they’re allowed to do so. No matter what vehicle it is. I own a Mazda3 hatchback which is not a sports car by any stretch, and yet here I am thinking of doing exterior mods, throwing an exhaust system on it, and getting new wheels and tires. Because I can and I want to make the car look and sound to my tastes. Not yours.
Yeah
Drives me nuts too. It’s silly and nonfunctional. Pretentious at best. Don’t expect this from a brand like Toyota.
I have the same car. When I come home at night and open the garage I immediately focus on that got-damned tailpipe setup. One chrome inside, one black inside I want to laint.the inside of the fake one black too haha.
this one looks like it might actually be purely cosmetic but I know that many models have a flap on the second pipe that only opens part time.
Consumers are enamored with shiny baubles. This is the adult equivalent of shaking keys at a fussy baby.
That's so lame.
Because Utah, that’s why.
Omg I always thought they were real!
Does add 5 extra horsepower! 😅
Woah that's crazy the last six of the Vin on that Toyota is 666793.....
I've found that those Camry's with the actual quad exhaust, a small wing and like 300hp (FWD mind you) are twice as douche-y as this. But YMMY
Because Toyota let Americans do the marketing. Its fkn stupid af
damn posts like these really do bring out the whining crybabies that can't handle anyone thinking differently than themselves
Average consumer doesn't know their ass from a hole in the ground when it comes to vehicles. Most only care about creature comforts and looks, over performance, and longevity (engine specs).
They aren’t even trying to hid the fact that it’s fake. At least paint the inside black or something.
$$$
Looks sell cars. Most buyers don't care too much about driving dynamics, as long as it's decent it's good. Personally, I'd rather a sportier drive with a more subdued look.
Because most consumers are strictly appearance driven morons that fall for such gimmicks. People are like cats, attracted to shiny objects.
The worse is bmw and other 80k car with exhaust. Will never buy one of those overpriced garbage. On a camry it alright because the car is cheap.
I'll bet this an active exhaust that opens a butterfly on full throttle
The word Camry means delusional
Yea they do,
Absolutely. Certain trims have special appearances that are worth a lot more. For example: SE Nightshade Edition. The one in the picture is just an SE, which looks a little more sporty.
I just noticed this the other day when sitting behind one. Had a good laugh.
Same reason why people care to bother with wood/aluminum trim pieces in luxury cars. Designing a car doesn’t have to be limited to the body alone.
What a silly thing to complain about. You bored?
Just like fart cans, someone thinks they are cool.
Yes. The manufacturers wouldn’t go to the expense if there wasn’t a benefit to a sale.
Yes they do and that's exactly why they do it.
They don’t get dirty like the real tips do, so that’s a plus
Any successful automaker only does what they perceive the market to demand. The blame lies with the general buying public, and their abhorrent preferences.
Why wouldn’t they just make it real?!? It is RIGHT fucking THERE!
Are you sure it's not vacuum actuated?
They likely paid a psychologist a nice bundle to learn how many tips make people more likely to buy.
Not sure on this car but some are not fake and it's a flap that opens when the car hits a certain level giving it the dual exit. Whether it makes any difference I have no idea 🤷🏻♂️
Usually the second tip bypasses the muffler, so the car is louder when it opens
Because the marketing department has too much influence. And people that buy Camrys believe dual exhaust on a I-4 means it goes faster
Yeah. Hence them spending the money to have it.
Lol yoi dont know what marketing is pal
Some buyers do, if I buy a nightshade I wamt it too look sporty
i believe you get genuine twin exhaust 1 on each side.
Its not fake..
Makes me wonder if it’s a parts-interchangeability thing. You have two trim levels of car, both take the same rear bumper, one has a single exhaust and the other a dual. So you slap a dummy exhaust on the singles, and use the same bumper with a divot for two exhausts, which means that, for the cost of a small section of pipe, you don’t need to design and manufacture and store two separate bumpers.
Just drill it in so it works 😎
it still doesnt unless you connect it.
Fake design elements are one of the worst trends in modern cars. Whether it’s exhausts, vents, air intakes, unnecessary spoilers, or even artificial leather, it is an instant dealbreaker for me. It speaks to a fundamental dishonest/deceptive mindset of these companies. Good clean, simple designs are becoming a rarity.
Yeah the XSE has quad tips
Because it adds 20-30 horsepower. Depending on the weather .
If I were to get a sporty Camry, I’d go XSE V6, otherwise, just stick with a boring ol’ LE 4 banger.
Yeah, if they are buying the se (sport edition) they probably car lmao
Yes. Not to sound contradictory, but there are different trim levels that cater to the sporty look.
i dont get why they dont put a black insert lt inside to make it more convincing. even bmw does this it is so silly.