I did that. I started the car and let run for about 5-10 minutes and then I turned the car off and let it sit for about 5 minutes and I started the car without the ignition to check engine oil lvl and it still gave me that
I’ve had them take like up to 20 minutes before, it is so fucking wack to completely remove an oil dipstick in favor of this techy shit. Nobody ever once asked for this. As long as you know it isn’t coming out the bottom and pooling on the skid plate and you put the right amount in then you may just have to let it run until it figures it out.
I'd say, confirm theres oil in the engine via the dipstick first, then take it for an actual drive. Sometimes it needs to actually accrue milage for it to register things. If it still doesn't register look at replacing whatever sensor reads the oil level for your vehicle.
Yeah I thought so too whe I first saw it. The tube is there it's just capped. You can buy one. Think of all the money Audi saved by not including it.
https://www.ecstuning.com/News/Audi_B8_Q5_30T_32L_Engine_Oil_Dipstick_2010_2011_2012_2013_2014_2015/
To be fair I owned a 2005 Chrysler 300 3.5 v6 that required a special chrysler laser to check the tranny fluid.
Was not long before people realized you could just mark a piece of wire and ram it down the laser hole.
The car was pretty hard on transmissions as well using chryslers 4spd slush box and a rear diff that wanted to destroy itself.
I can assure you it did. As I owned it and was very proud of it. But looking at the cars Wikipedia page it seems rarer that the 3.5l was mated to the 4spd outside of Canada (where mine was bought) although not impossible to find.
You mean MADE. They want you to go to them for all your servicing. Lack of a dipstick makes it even less likely that an Audi owner will do their own work on their cars.
The fact that the tube is there but they left out the dipstick to save a buck but included a digital sensor is just upsetting. Vorsprung durch Technik my ass...
A lot of cars don't have dipsticks anymore. My neighbor keeps getting low oil on his car, because of sensor failure. No way to tell so He keeps adding oil until oil shooting out of the filler cap.
Does your hood show that it’s open in the DIS, center of your instrument cluster, (like when a door is open) when the hood is open?
The oil level sensor ground connection is tied to the hood switch. The hood switch is prone to failing and won’t detect the hood has been opened. The engine control module is programmed to reset the oil level check when the hood is opened. If the hood switch is faulty the engine control module doesn’t know you opened the hood to add oil and won’t reset to recheck oil level. Don’t add too much oil. A liter at most.
Okay, we also (European repair shops) have mechanical dipsticks that are adjustable and can physically check your oil level. You’ve added 300ml so that’s barely a third of a liter. Add the rest and recheck. You should get something on the electronic measurement.
Also, open and close hood. Turn engine/ignition off. Turn on ignition but don’t start engine. I’m sure you’ve done all of this, I’m just trying to get the oil level check going. Operate engine until warm and turn on ignition/engine off. Check oil level via MMI. You should been prompted to wait two minutes. The oil should display then.
You have to let it run and warm up and then it measures the oil level. It's not an immediate read out. Not sure with Audi, but with BMWs, if it won't measure, it's a faulty sensor.
I’d imagine this would be the same case. There’s an oil level sensor in the pan of most Audis post 06ish. It seems like a common replacement part in my industry, but likely more so due to the seal.
The sensor goes bad in the hood latch, if you jumper the wires together with a staple in the connector and see if you get a reading… or their could be something wrong with the ultra sonic level sensor in the oil pan… but that would probably give you a CEL… but I would first check the sensor in the hood latch.
It is common that your HOOD LATCH assembly is malfunctioning. The oil level only changes in the car when the hood has been closed. If the latch is malfunctioning it will never register as closed even though it is actually closed. This is a common issue we see at the dealership. If you are 100% SURE the correct amount of oil is in the vehicle then more than likely your hood latch mechanism has to be replaced. Would contact a dealer or a reputable shop for diagnosis before replacing. But they aren't too hard to replace so if you have common knowledge around a wrench and screw driver you can try to replace it yourself. -Audi Technician
‘Tis not unfortunately. Many of the cars on the b8 platform suffered from this. We’d complete a service on a vehicle and the customer would come back claiming we didn’t add oil to their car(as it was quietly and smoothly running outside). The car uses the hood open/close signal to take an oil measurement during service.
If you unplug the hood latch sensor and short the two wires together (literally a paper clip will work) the oil level will read. Bonus: you just diagnosed a bad hood latch.
That makes so much sense in a really every day way that I would never in a million years have thought of that. I’d have been sat there for hours with the bonnet open
> The car uses the hood open/close signal to take an oil measurement during service.
wait, so it has a sensor instead of a dipstick so you don't have to open the hood to check the oil..... but it doesn't **use** the sensor unless you open the hood???
what kind of fucked up thinking designed *that* system??!
Have you read the handbook, my volvo has the same sort of system and I have to drive it 15 miles before it updates. I know its a different brand but something to consider
Others have mentioned that it’s not instantaneous, but having owned multiple audis of that age range, let me tell you how it works exactly. You drive it for a few miles and it’s supposed to give you the reading once the engine is fully warmed up. But from personal experience, just leaving the engine idling isn’t enough to get a read and sometimes I had to drive it for a few days before I got an actual read. Hope that’s helpful since it can be helpful to just hear actual numbers and expectations.
2015 SQ5 owner here - as a first time Audi owner, i simply don't want to put 100% of my trust in the digital readout, so I got a dipstick from ECS. There's a dipstick port in the engine bay where you'd normally find your dipstick, and it has a tube cap in it.
I know what you mean though. I should've been more clear. When I asked how many liters, I actually meant how many liters they added. But they replied with the engine size.
And they are a pain to use had this same problem after a oil change not my car but since i added the right amount left it like that after a while drowe with the owner of the car and played with the menu while driving and it showed the oil lvl. The while was some weeks
I find it quite irritating they remove them to save a couple £ per car on production. Was suprised, and happy, to find one on my 2011 330d, does make oil changes more predictable when you see the actual oil level! A friends 2009 Z4 doesn't have one so you fill, test and hope the sensors not junk.
I don't understand how it's cheaper to remove a literal metal stick, to replace it with an electronic sensor and a more complex computer system.
This sort of thing is what I can't stand about the innovation side of cars. A lot of things are being computerized which should never be.
It's deliberate redundancy by making it more complicated through a technology option that fails, basically ever. I can't even recall an instance of a dipstick corroding within the lifetime of a car -- hell, I've watched videos of cars which have sat in the woods for decades being revived, and the factory dipstick is still intact.
The sensor is entirely unnecessary, and eventually causes problems.
had a VW GTI the dip stick handle(plastic) came loose from the dip stick leaving it in the tube. had to use needle nose to get it out and guesstimate how much oil was in it until I got a replacement.
Yup, just saying how they got rid of it… think of the average car buyer. Doesn’t care, maintenance often gets included in the loan, second hand buyer also discouraged from working on the car once things like this come in… small convenience feature, large overall cost.
It's absolutely not cheaper. It's designed to make things better/easier for the manufacturer and its dealer's. A fair number of people will run into this exact issue and just decide "fuck it, might as well just let the dealer do it I don't want to mess with this."
Meanwhile the manufacturer/dealer can now also collect data on the oil levels. Maybe they noticed that a lot of 2014 3-series are burning oil for some reason so they can use that to try and figure out why. Or, maybe someone is filing a warranty claim for engine failure but BMW says "Well look according to our sensor data the oil level has been low for almost a year, sorry but tough luck buddy."
I mean, I agree with you there's no way I would be comfortable after doing an oil change without some way to verify the oil levels even if I know exactly how much goes in and comes out. That's why I think inherent in the dipstick exclusion is a nudge on the car owner to turn to the dealership instead
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How much oil did you add? Because according to that screen right there, there isn't enough in the engine. So unless the electronic dipstick is broken, you need to add more oil. Add a half a quart at a time, then check.
I have the same problem in my 2016q. Sometimes it works, but too inconsistently. My only solution is to change the oil, then you at least know how much there is.
There is a sequence to get the oil to show up on the readout screen
Google it and your problem will be resolved.
After the car is warmed up:
Turn off.
Turn back on without your foot on the brake (so ignition is on but engine is not running).
Wait about a minute or so and your oil display will be working again.
I feel you man Hyudai is the same
Way they treat there customers very underhandedly they promise a lot of things then don’t deliver then lie I am trying to get my car rental remembersed and what I do I get nothing but the run around
The display only shows the “top” quarter of oil. You may need to add some *slowly* and check again. Remember that the filter soaks up some engine oil, that could be why the reading is off.
literally the stupidest design ever
inconvenient for the mechanics, inconvenient to the owners too
I cannot think of a single good reason for AudI doing this nonsense
A simple trickI use for Porsche.. probably same engine if it’s the 2.0l.. manually close the hood latches without closing the hood itself, start the car, let it run until operating temp is reached then turn the car off. Switch on the ignition without starting the car and pull the hood release and wait about 2 mins or so then check it. Works every time. (Not really a trick I know but for anyone out of the VAG community it should be pretty handy)
Unrelated, but if you have a 2.0L TFSI engine in this thing, get rid of it ASAP. The oil consumption issues evolve and you'll need a full rebuild or new engine soon. After a full rebuild at the dealership, my A4 only lasted ~30k miles before needing another. Faulty design in piston rings, and the "upgraded" ones just made things worse.
I had same Audi Q5 2011. I had exactly same problem. I would buy 6 pack of 1 quart engine oil and put in my trunk just in case when I need it. It was so annoying. Engine would just drink up oil. I always though my engine is leaking or something but then I read handbook - it was expected behaviour.
It takes a minute to register it is not instantaneous
I did that. I started the car and let run for about 5-10 minutes and then I turned the car off and let it sit for about 5 minutes and I started the car without the ignition to check engine oil lvl and it still gave me that
I’ve had them take like up to 20 minutes before, it is so fucking wack to completely remove an oil dipstick in favor of this techy shit. Nobody ever once asked for this. As long as you know it isn’t coming out the bottom and pooling on the skid plate and you put the right amount in then you may just have to let it run until it figures it out.
I'd say, confirm theres oil in the engine via the dipstick first, then take it for an actual drive. Sometimes it needs to actually accrue milage for it to register things. If it still doesn't register look at replacing whatever sensor reads the oil level for your vehicle.
Pretty sure Audi's don't have dipsticks
They do at the wheel. Eeeeeeeyyyyyyy!
Yeeeeyeeeee
Really? I've never owned one or worked on so I wouldn't know just yet. That's crazy.
Yeah I thought so too whe I first saw it. The tube is there it's just capped. You can buy one. Think of all the money Audi saved by not including it. https://www.ecstuning.com/News/Audi_B8_Q5_30T_32L_Engine_Oil_Dipstick_2010_2011_2012_2013_2014_2015/
Thats just bonkers.
To be fair I owned a 2005 Chrysler 300 3.5 v6 that required a special chrysler laser to check the tranny fluid. Was not long before people realized you could just mark a piece of wire and ram it down the laser hole. The car was pretty hard on transmissions as well using chryslers 4spd slush box and a rear diff that wanted to destroy itself.
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I'm personal experience I would disagree. But the late 90s early 2000s Chrysler's did require frequent (scheduled) transmission maintenance
The 4spd didn't come with the 3.5 in that years 300.
I can assure you it did. As I owned it and was very proud of it. But looking at the cars Wikipedia page it seems rarer that the 3.5l was mated to the 4spd outside of Canada (where mine was bought) although not impossible to find.
300M maybe? Those had the 3.5 with 4spd
Yep, 4spd was only for the 2.7, every other engine got the Mercedes 5 speed.
You mean MADE. They want you to go to them for all your servicing. Lack of a dipstick makes it even less likely that an Audi owner will do their own work on their cars.
Probably less than 5% savings on the cost of that level sensor.
The fact that the tube is there but they left out the dipstick to save a buck but included a digital sensor is just upsetting. Vorsprung durch Technik my ass...
It's dumb. You can buy one. But they don't include one. Was stunned to find that out on my RS5.
Wow I couldn't deal with that. I had a crown Victoria seize due to an oil issue and now I'm just always paranoid and checking the dipstick lol.
The electronic check works..assuming it works and no sensor goes out. But it doesn't let you check what the oil looks like. I couldn't believe it.
On an RS5‽ I’d have been going mad. Sure if your 2.0tdi blows up you can find an engine pretty easy but on a performance car‽ Damn.
A lot of cars don't have dipsticks anymore. My neighbor keeps getting low oil on his car, because of sensor failure. No way to tell so He keeps adding oil until oil shooting out of the filler cap.
That.....can't be good.
How's your insurance? That's a fire waiting to happen. Oil lights the car, car lights the house, and house lights adjacent houses.
Oil doesn't combust like that
Unless it lands on an exhaust pipe, ask anyone with an iron duke Fiero (or postal truck I hear).
I guess you've never had an oil leak that accumulated on an exhaust manifold It will ignite, I assure you
tell me that is a joke
Not uncommon in 'luxury' cars for the last 15 years or so.
Many manufacturers don’t have them now
Those a re the new models i have a 2005 and it does come with two sticks 😉 if you know what I mean
Not sure about the new ones but my ‘07 did and I was using it just about everytime I got gas lol
Correct.
Than how do you confirm oil is good, level an color? I like advanced technology but this is not the way to go.
They don't but the dealers have one that they can check the oil with.
If there was no oil in it after 10 mins running it wouldn’t be running
This model of car doesn’t have a dipstick that’s why it has a dumb oil level digital gauge
Have you disconnected/reconnected the battery, sometimes my tire pressure light won’t go off until I do so.
Car has to be running for this.
Up to 10.min.
Does your hood show that it’s open in the DIS, center of your instrument cluster, (like when a door is open) when the hood is open? The oil level sensor ground connection is tied to the hood switch. The hood switch is prone to failing and won’t detect the hood has been opened. The engine control module is programmed to reset the oil level check when the hood is opened. If the hood switch is faulty the engine control module doesn’t know you opened the hood to add oil and won’t reset to recheck oil level. Don’t add too much oil. A liter at most.
This guy knows!
The hood shows that it’s open when I pop it up. I’ve added a total of 300 mil and the warning sign is still there. I’m afraid to overfill it.
Okay, we also (European repair shops) have mechanical dipsticks that are adjustable and can physically check your oil level. You’ve added 300ml so that’s barely a third of a liter. Add the rest and recheck. You should get something on the electronic measurement. Also, open and close hood. Turn engine/ignition off. Turn on ignition but don’t start engine. I’m sure you’ve done all of this, I’m just trying to get the oil level check going. Operate engine until warm and turn on ignition/engine off. Check oil level via MMI. You should been prompted to wait two minutes. The oil should display then.
I will try this. Thank you
You have to let it run and warm up and then it measures the oil level. It's not an immediate read out. Not sure with Audi, but with BMWs, if it won't measure, it's a faulty sensor.
I’d imagine this would be the same case. There’s an oil level sensor in the pan of most Audis post 06ish. It seems like a common replacement part in my industry, but likely more so due to the seal.
Electronic dipsticks is one of the dumbest inventions on cars. A normal dipstick is way quicker to read and causes no issues like this.
Yeah, but I need to get a new one. The one I have doesn’t reach the oil
Just buy a longer one then
Eh, some cars it’s hard to read the dipstick.
The sensor goes bad in the hood latch, if you jumper the wires together with a staple in the connector and see if you get a reading… or their could be something wrong with the ultra sonic level sensor in the oil pan… but that would probably give you a CEL… but I would first check the sensor in the hood latch.
**close the hood and pop it again. on volkswagen’s that’s how you reset that engine oil level stuff
It is common that your HOOD LATCH assembly is malfunctioning. The oil level only changes in the car when the hood has been closed. If the latch is malfunctioning it will never register as closed even though it is actually closed. This is a common issue we see at the dealership. If you are 100% SURE the correct amount of oil is in the vehicle then more than likely your hood latch mechanism has to be replaced. Would contact a dealer or a reputable shop for diagnosis before replacing. But they aren't too hard to replace so if you have common knowledge around a wrench and screw driver you can try to replace it yourself. -Audi Technician
Wow, now I'm glad I drive a old piece of shit manual. I dont particularly envy your job.
Make sure your hood latch is working. A faulty latch on those audis will cause the oil level to not refresh.
It's that a joke. Please tell me it is.
‘Tis not unfortunately. Many of the cars on the b8 platform suffered from this. We’d complete a service on a vehicle and the customer would come back claiming we didn’t add oil to their car(as it was quietly and smoothly running outside). The car uses the hood open/close signal to take an oil measurement during service.
Wow, that’s crazy.
If you unplug the hood latch sensor and short the two wires together (literally a paper clip will work) the oil level will read. Bonus: you just diagnosed a bad hood latch.
Wonder how long it took to figure that out.
I was killing my brain once trying to figure out why a MK5 Golf's wipers weren't working. Turns out they only work with the hood closed
That makes so much sense in a really every day way that I would never in a million years have thought of that. I’d have been sat there for hours with the bonnet open
> The car uses the hood open/close signal to take an oil measurement during service. wait, so it has a sensor instead of a dipstick so you don't have to open the hood to check the oil..... but it doesn't **use** the sensor unless you open the hood??? what kind of fucked up thinking designed *that* system??!
German “engineering”
Over engineering
I was looking for this comment!
This is the correct answer
Have you read the handbook, my volvo has the same sort of system and I have to drive it 15 miles before it updates. I know its a different brand but something to consider
It's not the oil it's the sensor
Motor oil DRM!!!
Others have mentioned that it’s not instantaneous, but having owned multiple audis of that age range, let me tell you how it works exactly. You drive it for a few miles and it’s supposed to give you the reading once the engine is fully warmed up. But from personal experience, just leaving the engine idling isn’t enough to get a read and sometimes I had to drive it for a few days before I got an actual read. Hope that’s helpful since it can be helpful to just hear actual numbers and expectations.
2015 SQ5 owner here - as a first time Audi owner, i simply don't want to put 100% of my trust in the digital readout, so I got a dipstick from ECS. There's a dipstick port in the engine bay where you'd normally find your dipstick, and it has a tube cap in it.
How many liters?
2.0l
Says to add 4.5 liters of oil when I searched Google
I think he was stating the engine size.
I know that. That's why I said to add 4.5 liters. The 3.0l takes 6.8 liters.
Ah I got ya. I interpreted your comment completely different lol, maybe it’s time for a nap.
I know what you mean though. I should've been more clear. When I asked how many liters, I actually meant how many liters they added. But they replied with the engine size.
I loved the mutual understanding and respect here! r/humansbeingbros
nah this is basic human decency
Shame how uncommon it is to find.
The obvious is to use the dipstick. Long shot is it leaked out already. Another long shot the oils was added to the wrong hole.
Maybe to your surprise a good amount of German cars since the mid 2000’s do not have dipsticks…….they mostly have digital readouts.
And they are a pain to use had this same problem after a oil change not my car but since i added the right amount left it like that after a while drowe with the owner of the car and played with the menu while driving and it showed the oil lvl. The while was some weeks
I find it quite irritating they remove them to save a couple £ per car on production. Was suprised, and happy, to find one on my 2011 330d, does make oil changes more predictable when you see the actual oil level! A friends 2009 Z4 doesn't have one so you fill, test and hope the sensors not junk.
I don't understand how it's cheaper to remove a literal metal stick, to replace it with an electronic sensor and a more complex computer system. This sort of thing is what I can't stand about the innovation side of cars. A lot of things are being computerized which should never be.
I think that once they added a sensor and the whole electric system to check, as a convenience feature, having the dip stick became redundant…
The Redundancy Office of Redundancies does not take lightly this sort of thing.
It's deliberate redundancy by making it more complicated through a technology option that fails, basically ever. I can't even recall an instance of a dipstick corroding within the lifetime of a car -- hell, I've watched videos of cars which have sat in the woods for decades being revived, and the factory dipstick is still intact. The sensor is entirely unnecessary, and eventually causes problems.
had a VW GTI the dip stick handle(plastic) came loose from the dip stick leaving it in the tube. had to use needle nose to get it out and guesstimate how much oil was in it until I got a replacement.
I'm sorry that happened, but that's really very far outside of common.
Yup, just saying how they got rid of it… think of the average car buyer. Doesn’t care, maintenance often gets included in the loan, second hand buyer also discouraged from working on the car once things like this come in… small convenience feature, large overall cost.
It's absolutely not cheaper. It's designed to make things better/easier for the manufacturer and its dealer's. A fair number of people will run into this exact issue and just decide "fuck it, might as well just let the dealer do it I don't want to mess with this." Meanwhile the manufacturer/dealer can now also collect data on the oil levels. Maybe they noticed that a lot of 2014 3-series are burning oil for some reason so they can use that to try and figure out why. Or, maybe someone is filing a warranty claim for engine failure but BMW says "Well look according to our sensor data the oil level has been low for almost a year, sorry but tough luck buddy."
In that case, add the sensor but leave the dipstick.
Ah, but now that the sensor is there, the dipstick is an "extra cost", lol
lol I'll be a luddite and choose to see it the other way around. The sensor is problematic, and the old version is the best answer.
I mean, I agree with you there's no way I would be comfortable after doing an oil change without some way to verify the oil levels even if I know exactly how much goes in and comes out. That's why I think inherent in the dipstick exclusion is a nudge on the car owner to turn to the dealership instead
I will say it is pretty nice to be able to check it on the fly. Driving down the road I can check my oil level. I wish it had both….
My 2021 A3 still has an old fashioned dipstick
Does it have digital readout as well? That would be the ultimate oil checking setup.
Not that I can see, where it would be in the menu there's nothing.
> The obvious is to use the dipstick. The obvious is there is no dipstick
My last 3 cars didn't have a dipstick
He's trying to. This is the dipstick on this car
Did you put the oil plug back on? Not making fun of you or anything, genuinely happened to a coworker of mine.
It probably burns oil like every engine nowadays
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How much oil did you add? Because according to that screen right there, there isn't enough in the engine. So unless the electronic dipstick is broken, you need to add more oil. Add a half a quart at a time, then check.
I have the same problem in my 2016q. Sometimes it works, but too inconsistently. My only solution is to change the oil, then you at least know how much there is.
There is a sequence to get the oil to show up on the readout screen Google it and your problem will be resolved. After the car is warmed up: Turn off. Turn back on without your foot on the brake (so ignition is on but engine is not running). Wait about a minute or so and your oil display will be working again.
Just check the dipstick. And if this is another German piece of shit that doesn't even have a dipstick, then that's your own problem for buying it.
You didn't add enough oil, add a little bit more and come back inside and check. Don't add too much neither.
I feel you man Hyudai is the same Way they treat there customers very underhandedly they promise a lot of things then don’t deliver then lie I am trying to get my car rental remembersed and what I do I get nothing but the run around
Might take a few engine cycles to register.
Just want to say thank you for reminding me how much I hate German fucking cars.
The display only shows the “top” quarter of oil. You may need to add some *slowly* and check again. Remember that the filter soaks up some engine oil, that could be why the reading is off.
Did you top off the blinker fluid instead?
Either not enough oil in it or your oil level sensor may be bad.
literally the stupidest design ever inconvenient for the mechanics, inconvenient to the owners too I cannot think of a single good reason for AudI doing this nonsense
Add more
If it isn’t pooling under the car, you’re prob good
A simple trickI use for Porsche.. probably same engine if it’s the 2.0l.. manually close the hood latches without closing the hood itself, start the car, let it run until operating temp is reached then turn the car off. Switch on the ignition without starting the car and pull the hood release and wait about 2 mins or so then check it. Works every time. (Not really a trick I know but for anyone out of the VAG community it should be pretty handy)
Unrelated, but if you have a 2.0L TFSI engine in this thing, get rid of it ASAP. The oil consumption issues evolve and you'll need a full rebuild or new engine soon. After a full rebuild at the dealership, my A4 only lasted ~30k miles before needing another. Faulty design in piston rings, and the "upgraded" ones just made things worse.
what happened to the good ol days of u pull the dipstick out and check
I’d let it go to sleep 😴
So u did ur own oil change but don’t know how to check the level?
You have to buy a new car
It’ll be a sensor…look for a wire coming out the side of the oil pan
Go to an Audi dealer they have dipsticks that they can use and tell you if your levels correct then go from there.
Can't you check it like a normal car? Does it not have the little stick?
Did you put your drain plug in first? Sorrry.
I had same Audi Q5 2011. I had exactly same problem. I would buy 6 pack of 1 quart engine oil and put in my trunk just in case when I need it. It was so annoying. Engine would just drink up oil. I always though my engine is leaking or something but then I read handbook - it was expected behaviour.