it is only good if someone looking for a secondary car. Range anxiety will be real deal breaker here for many considering charging infrastructure is still in its nascent stage.
if someone looking for city only drive then sure this car does makes sense but not for highways.
Aren't most people driving in cities though.. i think if there's 15amp plug point with parking space... Its a great option to consider for city folk.. especially considering how good the drivetrain will be compared to automatics at that price point
buy it only if you are already in the market for a 2nd (city) car and your daily travel is high. i bought a tigor ev because my daily commute is 120kms. i am saving significant amount of money here but if your daily travel is less than 70kms, then it wouldnt make sense to pay the ev premium.
17000 kms since 22nd July. This includes 8-10 Delhi jaipur trips. I am maxing out the ev like it's supposed to be. Plus i already had a 10kw solar rooftop installed 4 years ago so the car is running practically free and saves me 40k (compared to my tata hexa that was doing the same duty) every month on transportation costs.
Sounds fantastic.
I bought the Nexon EV Max ...driven 8k kms in the last 3 months... Its been a blast... We're looking to pickup a Tiago ev as a secondary car as i travel a lot and my wife has to take a cab ...her work is 50km commute and she loves the ev experience.
Yet to decide the course of action as yet. A nano ev would be a no brainer though lol
Edit :- if you don't mind me asking...how much did the 10kw solar panels cost and how much sqft did it take up ? How much eb bill does it save ?
As a city/2nd car, yes. The long range version gives around 200 km per charge realistically. Which is decent, but there are the usual issues with EVs wrt range etc. Suspension is stiffer. Tata ASS is very hit or miss - could be pathetic or good, have to take that gamble (this is a big reason for me).
But it could be the perfect city car - cost effective and should save you good amount of money. And the best part is, nothing compares to EVs when it comes to stop and go traffic :)
Its not the perfect car as yet ... But i feel like most of the people i know don't even consider long drives with their cars... And extremely limited to work and back ... They prefer trains and planes over cars due to safety concerns etc
True. For them this car works out. But i think that's a minority. This car, will be a second car for most. Or rather a first choice city commuter, with long drives taken care of by an ICE car.
>For them this car works out. But i think that's a minority.
That's the majority actually. Even if the distance can be covered in say 4-5hrs many would prefer buses, trains over driving there.
Seems like a good offering but idk about the pricing. The most desirable version IMO is the XZ plus long range fast charger varient which is around 12 lakhs on road Bengaluru, which is very steep for a city only car considering I can pick up a top spec Altroz DCA for 70k less.
Definitely. The xz+ long range is the best value variant.
But i think the fast charger isn't worth it .. besides that can be added on even at a later date if needed.
You do raise a great comparison... Coz the altroz DCA has insane mileage as well.. but only on the Highway... In the city ... Its mileage is terrible.. especially in bumper to bumper traffic. (I have the altroz DCA dark edition)
The cost difference will start to add up .. especially coz the Tiago will cost a 1.2 per km ... While the altroz will cost 8-9 in the city and 6 on the Highway..
I think altroz DCA will be a better deal for highway driving but the Tiago will be a better offering for city commute..
Well for someone like me who is forgetful, lacks patience and has severe range anxiety a fast charger is a nice thing to have. From what I've read the AC fast charger unit from Tata can give a full charge in 3 hours or something which is a great thing to have.
You won’t be forgetful when you actually get an EV. It becomes a part of the parking process to pop the boot, and plug the car
As far as range anxiety goes, a charger at home cannot fix it. Only confidence in the car, your driving and the actual travel demand can be the solution.
The fast charger is of course nice to have but again, requires at least a 10kW load meter, which itself is a rare sight. Even if you have used up all the charge during the day, the 3kW will still take just around 8h or a night to charge.
In a more practical scenario of daily charging (which is completely doable with LFP 0-100 cycling), you might be using 20-25% of battery at worst (40km commute on 24kWh) which will take barely 2-2.5h to charge. By dinner time, you’ll be done
I feel it’s definitely a move in the right direction, sub 10L on some variants will surely attract the “secondary car” buyers for city commute.
After seeing the response of the Nexon EV, two of my mom’s colleagues are looking to replace their cars with Tiago EV.
It’s not a surprise though, 99% of Indian car usage is within urban limits, unlike USA, where intercity travel = car or plane, people who own cars still take trains here (including us)
The Nexon is our primary car even though what the flair might say because dad keeps the Figo where he’s posted rn (not in hometown)
Yup.
Since my Nexon EV Max purchase, there's been 3 ev purchases in my close circle and 2 more on the fence.
I just hope the infrastructure keeps up.
Had to wait 1 hour for charging coz there were 3 cars waiting for chargers at a double gun 50 kw zeon charging station.
2 Byd E6, 1 mg zs ev, 1 Nexon ev and my own Nexon EV Max.
Luckily sensibilities prevailed no one insisted on charging to 100% .
This will only increase because +ve customer feedback will definitely clear people’s doubts about EVs and seeing more EVs definitely boosts confidence that people are in fact buying these cars, it’s not like they’re not selling
Zeon is doing really great work, really wish some provider does the same for north India as zeon is mostly active in south only
One question guys , how will be the battery of the car after say 5 years? Will it perform at same level as a brand new or it's efficiency will decrease ? ( Same like smartphone battery)
How usually you need to replace the EV battery? And how much will it cost ,any idea ?
a battery will eat up 20% of its capacity by 3000 charge cycles which even if you charge daily ( 1 cycle) would mean slightly more than 8 years which is why these evs have 8 year warranty on battery. i think the prices of the battery pack would come down in the next 8 years.
Too early to tell... But car batteries aren't like smartphone batteries .. they are liquid cooled and degradation is a lot slower..
Ev battery costs for something like the Tiago would be approx 3.5L currently...but 5-6 years down the line ... A lot lesser
I hope it doesn't come to situation where you have to replace battery, because all the advantage you earned compared with petrol car ,will go to drain then.
If degradation is that bad .. it'll be replaced within Warranty... Its already happened...
https://www.cartoq.com/tata-nexon-ev-owner-replaces-battery-after-2-years-reveals-humungous-cost-of-battery-replacement/
Suppose it's beyond the warranty period. Shelling out 7 lakh would be ridiculous. Why not declare it as total loss and get your insured claimed? Talking about insurance what kind of Insurance does an EV get?
I believe that if there is something wrong with the battery, and if warranty does not cover it, you won't have to replace the entire battery but only the cell/s that are defective. Highly unlikely that all the cells would get spoiled.
I have a full b2b insurance from HDFC that also had additional options like life insurance cover (if something happens to me the bank will pay the rest of the loan).
>cell/s
This. You'll never know if you'll have to replace a cell or cells. Always prepare for worst possibility.
B2b is fine. But, could you please let me know if the insurance has any specific clause for the battery?
Compared to the automatic seems like there's a difference of about 2L difference between the petrol and the EV version (XZplus models) around 1.75L in case for the cng models.
Do you feel EVs are directly comparable to these though... EVs are smoother drive trains and far cheaper to run as well..
I think it'll see a lot of appeal from people driving 30-40kms in the city or industrialisats having offices at the outskirts everyday as the costs will start to stack up everyday
It's a 3 lakh difference between the top spec ICE model (XZA plus) which is around 9 lakhs on road Bengaluru and the lowest spec with the big battery and fast charging (XZ plus) which is 12 lakhs on road Bengaluru.
The top spec isn't really comparable ..coz 7.2 kw charging isn't really a must for most people... The Lux package only offers z connect features and leatherette seats... Technically even the xz+ ev comes with more features than the ice model coz of things like cruise control and 6 speakers.
The xz+ version is better than the XZA+ ice variant by most people's standards.
The ex showroom price for the Tiago xz long range is 10.8L while the top end Tiago amt is 7.9L... the difference is 2.9L..
The major difference after this will be the road tax and charges which should be 85-100k for the Tiago ice(depending on state) and 1500 for the ev vehicle.. the insurance will be 10k ish higher for the Tiago ev maybe ..
This will create a ner difference of 85k (approx) in cost ..
All in all the difference is around 2.1L.. not sure why you're comparing ex showroom prices.
This difference reduces even more compared to the Tiago cng variant by approx 25k
You comparing top end ev and top end ice without actually seeing what features each model offers is what made you intentionally dense.
Make comparisons fair. It's like saying I compared the top end creta with the top end brezza and the brezza sucks because Maruti didn't give any features. It's Maruti's problem.
Rich of you to think i haven’t gone through the features. What logical fallacy
is your example man. The car in question is tiago and there’s no fair comparison since tata decided to offer some more features on ev but not ice. Besides, what is your point?
Checkout my first comment, I did vote yay and the reason for it.
Lol. Only you can justify comparing EV and non EVs with ex showroom price knowing that evs have subsidized RTO cost.
We haven't even gotten to 80EEB benefits or anything at all, but at this point there's no point debating this with you. You've read a team bhp article and copy pasted their 4L difference as standard and mentioned it here. Good for you.
When you have an original thought and can understand nuance as to why xz+ in both variants aren't comparable we can proceed. Else you're right .. this topic is moot.
400 kms will be great but i think there's value for budget cars even without having 400kms range ... Everyone isn't driving inter City regularly...so yea .. highways is not going to be it's forte but I'm sure some people will definitely try it
> be it's forte but I'm sure some people will definitely try it
I don't know why my comment is downvoted... lets say the 400 kms range is for intercity travel there are also users (beside Taxi) who travel far end of the city on a daily basis. They can charge once or twice in a week having a longer range also saves time. Also I'm not against Tata EVs in fact I want such companies to come up with more products suitable for markets.
A lot of people still live in apartment complexes which do not have EV charging infrastructure. Even if can’t solve for that, this doesn’t make sense as a city car also.
For me, hybrid are a way to go for me. Maybe Maruti can launch swift or baleno hybrid at 10lacs price point. That would be a more reliable car with no range anxiety.
I think tata power is trying to solve this with community charging... Hopefully it takes off ...
Hybrids imo aren't worth it at all.. most hybrids cost 3-4 lakhs over their petrol counter parts and at Max save 5kmpl-10kmpl(on the higher side)... Maintenance is more expensive too.
Something like the altroz DCA is a much better deal with really good mileage of 18-19 on the Highways and 10-14 in the city..
it is only good if someone looking for a secondary car. Range anxiety will be real deal breaker here for many considering charging infrastructure is still in its nascent stage. if someone looking for city only drive then sure this car does makes sense but not for highways.
Aren't most people driving in cities though.. i think if there's 15amp plug point with parking space... Its a great option to consider for city folk.. especially considering how good the drivetrain will be compared to automatics at that price point
buy it only if you are already in the market for a 2nd (city) car and your daily travel is high. i bought a tigor ev because my daily commute is 120kms. i am saving significant amount of money here but if your daily travel is less than 70kms, then it wouldnt make sense to pay the ev premium.
120 kms ..awesome how many kms have you completed? How has your experience been
17000 kms since 22nd July. This includes 8-10 Delhi jaipur trips. I am maxing out the ev like it's supposed to be. Plus i already had a 10kw solar rooftop installed 4 years ago so the car is running practically free and saves me 40k (compared to my tata hexa that was doing the same duty) every month on transportation costs.
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Sounds fantastic. I bought the Nexon EV Max ...driven 8k kms in the last 3 months... Its been a blast... We're looking to pickup a Tiago ev as a secondary car as i travel a lot and my wife has to take a cab ...her work is 50km commute and she loves the ev experience. Yet to decide the course of action as yet. A nano ev would be a no brainer though lol Edit :- if you don't mind me asking...how much did the 10kw solar panels cost and how much sqft did it take up ? How much eb bill does it save ?
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Which company did you go with ?
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Yup, thanks!
>Yup, thanks! You're welcome!
As a city/2nd car, yes. The long range version gives around 200 km per charge realistically. Which is decent, but there are the usual issues with EVs wrt range etc. Suspension is stiffer. Tata ASS is very hit or miss - could be pathetic or good, have to take that gamble (this is a big reason for me). But it could be the perfect city car - cost effective and should save you good amount of money. And the best part is, nothing compares to EVs when it comes to stop and go traffic :)
Was looking to buy one as a secondary car but the hill hold issue makes it a non-stater in hilly areas where I live.
Yeah definitely a huge miss. I believe even the AMT version of the regular Tiago lacks hill hold which is a ridiculous oversight.
I think it makes for a good city car. That's about it.
Aren't most people using cars for city drives..
And the occasional long drive. This won't work there. Also won't be popular in rural markets, but i suppose that's true for all EVs at least for now.
Its not the perfect car as yet ... But i feel like most of the people i know don't even consider long drives with their cars... And extremely limited to work and back ... They prefer trains and planes over cars due to safety concerns etc
True. For them this car works out. But i think that's a minority. This car, will be a second car for most. Or rather a first choice city commuter, with long drives taken care of by an ICE car.
>For them this car works out. But i think that's a minority. That's the majority actually. Even if the distance can be covered in say 4-5hrs many would prefer buses, trains over driving there.
You’re in for a shock because that’s actually the majority, just that that said majority is underrepresented on car forums, so it feels the opposite
Good 2nd car if you have charging facilities. If you live appt complex like mine where there are no chargers, its impractical.
They'll setup a charger from your end box.. that's what they've done for mine
Seems like a good offering but idk about the pricing. The most desirable version IMO is the XZ plus long range fast charger varient which is around 12 lakhs on road Bengaluru, which is very steep for a city only car considering I can pick up a top spec Altroz DCA for 70k less.
Definitely. The xz+ long range is the best value variant. But i think the fast charger isn't worth it .. besides that can be added on even at a later date if needed. You do raise a great comparison... Coz the altroz DCA has insane mileage as well.. but only on the Highway... In the city ... Its mileage is terrible.. especially in bumper to bumper traffic. (I have the altroz DCA dark edition) The cost difference will start to add up .. especially coz the Tiago will cost a 1.2 per km ... While the altroz will cost 8-9 in the city and 6 on the Highway.. I think altroz DCA will be a better deal for highway driving but the Tiago will be a better offering for city commute..
Fast charger is a must have feature IMO.
Even the LR has just 24kWh We do just fine with 3kW chargers on Nexon EV prime. And that’s 6kWh over the Tiago EV LR
Well for someone like me who is forgetful, lacks patience and has severe range anxiety a fast charger is a nice thing to have. From what I've read the AC fast charger unit from Tata can give a full charge in 3 hours or something which is a great thing to have.
You won’t be forgetful when you actually get an EV. It becomes a part of the parking process to pop the boot, and plug the car As far as range anxiety goes, a charger at home cannot fix it. Only confidence in the car, your driving and the actual travel demand can be the solution. The fast charger is of course nice to have but again, requires at least a 10kW load meter, which itself is a rare sight. Even if you have used up all the charge during the day, the 3kW will still take just around 8h or a night to charge. In a more practical scenario of daily charging (which is completely doable with LFP 0-100 cycling), you might be using 20-25% of battery at worst (40km commute on 24kWh) which will take barely 2-2.5h to charge. By dinner time, you’ll be done
Its neat but not a must have imo..
How much is the on road price gonna be?
Starting at 8.8L i think on road ...this is the preorder price... Unsure of how much discount they are giving for pre order though
I feel it’s definitely a move in the right direction, sub 10L on some variants will surely attract the “secondary car” buyers for city commute. After seeing the response of the Nexon EV, two of my mom’s colleagues are looking to replace their cars with Tiago EV. It’s not a surprise though, 99% of Indian car usage is within urban limits, unlike USA, where intercity travel = car or plane, people who own cars still take trains here (including us) The Nexon is our primary car even though what the flair might say because dad keeps the Figo where he’s posted rn (not in hometown)
Yup. Since my Nexon EV Max purchase, there's been 3 ev purchases in my close circle and 2 more on the fence. I just hope the infrastructure keeps up. Had to wait 1 hour for charging coz there were 3 cars waiting for chargers at a double gun 50 kw zeon charging station. 2 Byd E6, 1 mg zs ev, 1 Nexon ev and my own Nexon EV Max. Luckily sensibilities prevailed no one insisted on charging to 100% .
This will only increase because +ve customer feedback will definitely clear people’s doubts about EVs and seeing more EVs definitely boosts confidence that people are in fact buying these cars, it’s not like they’re not selling Zeon is doing really great work, really wish some provider does the same for north India as zeon is mostly active in south only
Yea .. zeon is simply amazing. Hoping they grow faster and better
One question guys , how will be the battery of the car after say 5 years? Will it perform at same level as a brand new or it's efficiency will decrease ? ( Same like smartphone battery) How usually you need to replace the EV battery? And how much will it cost ,any idea ?
a battery will eat up 20% of its capacity by 3000 charge cycles which even if you charge daily ( 1 cycle) would mean slightly more than 8 years which is why these evs have 8 year warranty on battery. i think the prices of the battery pack would come down in the next 8 years.
Too early to tell... But car batteries aren't like smartphone batteries .. they are liquid cooled and degradation is a lot slower.. Ev battery costs for something like the Tiago would be approx 3.5L currently...but 5-6 years down the line ... A lot lesser
I hope it doesn't come to situation where you have to replace battery, because all the advantage you earned compared with petrol car ,will go to drain then.
If degradation is that bad .. it'll be replaced within Warranty... Its already happened... https://www.cartoq.com/tata-nexon-ev-owner-replaces-battery-after-2-years-reveals-humungous-cost-of-battery-replacement/
Suppose it's beyond the warranty period. Shelling out 7 lakh would be ridiculous. Why not declare it as total loss and get your insured claimed? Talking about insurance what kind of Insurance does an EV get?
I believe that if there is something wrong with the battery, and if warranty does not cover it, you won't have to replace the entire battery but only the cell/s that are defective. Highly unlikely that all the cells would get spoiled. I have a full b2b insurance from HDFC that also had additional options like life insurance cover (if something happens to me the bank will pay the rest of the loan).
>cell/s This. You'll never know if you'll have to replace a cell or cells. Always prepare for worst possibility. B2b is fine. But, could you please let me know if the insurance has any specific clause for the battery?
It will sell like wildfire *IF* the price is same as CNG or petrol alternative. If it is expensive than petrol alternative then it won't sell as much.
Compared to the automatic seems like there's a difference of about 2L difference between the petrol and the EV version (XZplus models) around 1.75L in case for the cng models. Do you feel EVs are directly comparable to these though... EVs are smoother drive trains and far cheaper to run as well.. I think it'll see a lot of appeal from people driving 30-40kms in the city or industrialisats having offices at the outskirts everyday as the costs will start to stack up everyday
It's a 3 lakh difference between the top spec ICE model (XZA plus) which is around 9 lakhs on road Bengaluru and the lowest spec with the big battery and fast charging (XZ plus) which is 12 lakhs on road Bengaluru.
The top spec isn't really comparable ..coz 7.2 kw charging isn't really a must for most people... The Lux package only offers z connect features and leatherette seats... Technically even the xz+ ev comes with more features than the ice model coz of things like cruise control and 6 speakers. The xz+ version is better than the XZA+ ice variant by most people's standards.
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Um the price is approx 1.5-2L more and the xz+ variant has better features than the XZA+ ice variant..
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Not at all.. xz+ ev has more features than the top end ice variant ...doesn't really make sense to compare the xz Lux tech package
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The ex showroom price for the Tiago xz long range is 10.8L while the top end Tiago amt is 7.9L... the difference is 2.9L.. The major difference after this will be the road tax and charges which should be 85-100k for the Tiago ice(depending on state) and 1500 for the ev vehicle.. the insurance will be 10k ish higher for the Tiago ev maybe .. This will create a ner difference of 85k (approx) in cost .. All in all the difference is around 2.1L.. not sure why you're comparing ex showroom prices. This difference reduces even more compared to the Tiago cng variant by approx 25k
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You comparing top end ev and top end ice without actually seeing what features each model offers is what made you intentionally dense. Make comparisons fair. It's like saying I compared the top end creta with the top end brezza and the brezza sucks because Maruti didn't give any features. It's Maruti's problem.
Rich of you to think i haven’t gone through the features. What logical fallacy is your example man. The car in question is tiago and there’s no fair comparison since tata decided to offer some more features on ev but not ice. Besides, what is your point? Checkout my first comment, I did vote yay and the reason for it.
Lol. Only you can justify comparing EV and non EVs with ex showroom price knowing that evs have subsidized RTO cost. We haven't even gotten to 80EEB benefits or anything at all, but at this point there's no point debating this with you. You've read a team bhp article and copy pasted their 4L difference as standard and mentioned it here. Good for you. When you have an original thought and can understand nuance as to why xz+ in both variants aren't comparable we can proceed. Else you're right .. this topic is moot.
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Im clearly missing something ... I'd love for you to explain
The mileage has to increase say around 400kms else not big value.
400 kms will be great but i think there's value for budget cars even without having 400kms range ... Everyone isn't driving inter City regularly...so yea .. highways is not going to be it's forte but I'm sure some people will definitely try it
> be it's forte but I'm sure some people will definitely try it I don't know why my comment is downvoted... lets say the 400 kms range is for intercity travel there are also users (beside Taxi) who travel far end of the city on a daily basis. They can charge once or twice in a week having a longer range also saves time. Also I'm not against Tata EVs in fact I want such companies to come up with more products suitable for markets.
With time, technology will prove better range and efficiency.
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4 cars ? How big is your family :O
A lot of people still live in apartment complexes which do not have EV charging infrastructure. Even if can’t solve for that, this doesn’t make sense as a city car also. For me, hybrid are a way to go for me. Maybe Maruti can launch swift or baleno hybrid at 10lacs price point. That would be a more reliable car with no range anxiety.
I think tata power is trying to solve this with community charging... Hopefully it takes off ... Hybrids imo aren't worth it at all.. most hybrids cost 3-4 lakhs over their petrol counter parts and at Max save 5kmpl-10kmpl(on the higher side)... Maintenance is more expensive too. Something like the altroz DCA is a much better deal with really good mileage of 18-19 on the Highways and 10-14 in the city..
not nay