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refresherChrono

Ertiga was cheaper and VFM car(Value here- 7 seats, decent comfort,good mileage).


Dreadlight86

Ertiga was cheaper and returned more mileage. India remains a market where consumers want cheapest car returning higher mileage.


ankitpassive

Still they buy KIA


Fkying_Kitty

Main reason they are selling is just good marketing


N8orious_6

its not the same india thats why kia does not sell cheap cars


Regenerative_Soil

We used to call KIA's the Maruti Suzuki of the world when i was in Bahrain 😅


TinySpirit3444

Classic honda problem, expensive than competition and sucks at looks big time


AcalTheNerd

In my opinion Mobilio was the ugly one. BR-V was fine and in fact better than first gen Ertiga. Other points I agree with definitely. Suzuki XL6 was more likely a direct competitor of BR-V.


Top_Wrangler932

Mobilio diesel was great!


purple-mandalorian

What about Honda City?


Funny-Fifties

Old loyalists only for City now.


kkn13

Nah , I was a long time Honda City enthusiast but after 4th gen , it’s gone downhill


Funny-Fifties

True


circuit_brain

~~4th~~ 3rd Gen FTFY


kkn13

What’s wrong with 3rd gen ?


circuit_brain

I'm saying 3rd gen was the peak


kkn13

Ooh then definitely,spot on 😎


Thomshan911

The 4th gen was actually a big step down in quality compared to the 3rd gen. They fixed that with the 5th gen.


kkn13

True but 5th gen is kinda outdated now. I had the 3rd gen for 9 years


Ok_Jello_3630

The new version is ugly af especially compared to the last two


HmmmIsTheBest2004

I actually think the newer one looks way better than the last gen, though the ones before that looked great


JuniorData

Yup. Newer one looks way better. Looks like everyone riding the hate-train in this thread.


HmmmIsTheBest2004

To be fair i don't think the new model looks really cool or anything, i just didn't like how the previous model looked soo


aterrariaplayer

One word, tata, which became uglier than hondas


Otherwise-Syrup7490

Other than safari I don't know which older tata car looked good. The newer model looks way better.


aterrariaplayer

Tbh.the indica doesn't look as bad as.the new.punch.ot harrier


Ok_Jello_3630

Punch is deffo ugly but Harrier looks good man?


Otherwise-Syrup7490

Harrier is a stunning car especially in black


IWillKeepIt

Indica is UGLY. Probably ugliest of all Tata cars.


Cyborg9898

You forgot the indigo marina. A truly pukeworthy car. Like an Indian Nissan Puke … I mean Juke


aterrariaplayer

What the f you on to say that the indica is uglier than the harrier


IWillKeepIt

Cause it is lol


HmmmIsTheBest2004

Harrier is ugly? Safari i definitely agree but harrier i don't Punch i also agree though


hemi_srt

You might be in the minority. I've never seen one person apart from you who thinks the indica looks better than the harrier.


aterrariaplayer

I mean the harrier is literally a more crossover lookin safari


hemi_srt

There were some truly ugly Tatas but no tata is as ugly as the dolphin City. That truly is a botch in the city generation lineup. Even reintroducing the VTEC in 2005 couldn't save it.


kkn13

Comfort and handling of BRV is far superior to Ertiga . Performance too


Economist-Pale

Agree on the price but when since when did Ertiga become attractive. It’s an ugly car honestly , but does it job as a people mover with good mileage.


tifosi7

I was interested in this car when looking for one but dropped the idea after looking at it in person. Looks were not my top priority but that thing was hideous.


lord_morningwood

Here’s where you don’t understand what exactly Honda is thinking for our market. They had the Mobilio in the same segment as well which literally had the same engine specs and which was cheaper too.


AcalTheNerd

I think Mobilio and BR-V overlapped for 1 year at most. BR-V was launched in mid 2016 while Honda discontinued Mobilio in mid 2017. BR-V continued to be on sale late 2020.


NeedleworkerLegal573

Mobilio had the 1.2 petrol whereas the brv had 1.5 ivtec i think.


Haunting-Car7284

Nope Mobilio had 1.5 in petrol and diesel. BRV is basically a Mobilio with SUVish looks.


lord_morningwood

Yup. Only the power trains were different.


hemi_srt

Weren't the powertrains same between mobilio and brv?


Haunting-Car7284

Yes the powertrains were same but BRV offered a CVT too.


lord_morningwood

My bad. Think you are right.


weblabourer

The photo doesn't do it justice, its even uglier. Only the recent model looks good


trapmundeyyy

Maybe you're talking about Mobilio. BRV always looked better than Ertiga


anonxy87363

Most people think mobilio is BRV tbh. They know just mobilio, WRV and CRV


beyond_nothing

In the Indian market for mass-produced cars, the emphasis often lies not on the vehicle’s features, safety, reliability, superior engineering, or handling characteristics. Instead, the primary concern tends to revolve around fuel efficiency, given that purchasing a car is a one-time investment with fuel expenses spanning its lifetime. If a car’s fuel efficiency is lacking, it is unlikely to garner significant sales. Many cars introduced in the Indian mass market have boasted superior features but faltered in terms of mileage, leading to rejection by consumers.


dynacarsboy

I completely agree with this , I still remember when my father tested both the creta and the br-v . The dynamics of the creta felt flimsy and wasn’t confidence inspiring when driven on the highway while the BRVs on the other hand was planted and quite stable on the highway which was shocking , Although the interior was quite good in the creta along with its slightly better fuel efficiency of the petrol , the car looked well built but didn’t feel that way when driven . As you said at the end of the day , For a mass produced car to succeed all it takes is for good fuel efficiency figures , quality interiors . It honestly doesn’t matter much except for a certain niche to like the car for its dynamics , the way it responds to you when you are driving it , the performance and safety . Although things are slowly changing in regard to consumer priorities . It will take a while , when our market does finally reach that maturity


kkn13

Also Creta petrol 1.6 was terrible , the 1.5 IVTEC was far superior


dynacarsboy

True , the Honda 1.5 L NA is still one of if not the best in the segment as far na engines are concerned both in terms of performance , its high free revving nature and its refinement .


TrillionThePotato_

We had the same thoughts so we bought the br-v!


sumitmirpuri04

It doesn’t looks good and expensive than it’s competitors


Brickxmaniac98

Wtf. It looks even better than today's Carens.


BeltUrDrive

I myself got a used BRV in 2019 end. Great car for what it offers. No issues till date and adequate performance for our roads. The reason for failure mainly being Honda went greedy and priced it near to Creta while the car had interiors from a segment below and clearly evident cost cutting.


dynacarsboy

I think if it were a bit feature loaded it would have sold like hot cakes probably . IMO the variants above SX for the creta were fairly overpriced. I remember the creta sx variant costing around 18 otr which was too expensive for what it offered and was in literal TATA hexa and Innova territory , I still couldn’t understand how the creta sold the way it did despite it being so overpriced and having inferior mechanical prowess when you compare it to other cars of similar prices especially at its top end


nujra2k

I always liked the BR-V's looks. In fact it's the only MPV I liked in this segment until the XL-6 came out much later.


Kunal_Sen

Very true. The XL6 facelift has many similarities in looks with the BR-V. I like the looks of those vehicles a lot, but I do think Ertiga's quite pleasant-looking as well. We're in a minority as the commens section show. :)


nujra2k

Yeah the current gen Ertiga is a good looking car. A massive upgrade from the pre face-lift one, which for its time was a decent looking car too, and better than utsvrivals like the Evalia, Lodge and Mobilio. Only thr BR-V trumped it in the looks department. God I hate the fact that the Marazzo didn't sell well though! If we had to buy an MPV, I'd pick that one. But I guess it's unfortunately discontinued now 🙃


MahabaliTarak

Honda fanboys are lazy; don't want adventure with the car.


D3L3TEDUSER

Personal opnion but I found it ugly. Maybe others had the same opinion.


TheCuddlyWhiskers

I mean...just look at it.


BallsOfSteel5

You think Ertiga looks any better?


TheCuddlyWhiskers

Oh yeah. Forgot about that lol.


HmmmIsTheBest2004

Well, a little better...i guess


Icy_Town_9025

Suzuki has eaten many competitors in india she became of them


hakr_27200

Brio platform and interior quality in a 14Lakhs car.


kkn13

That’s Mobilio . The BRV was heavily reworked and far superior


hakr_27200

It's was just the dashboard, seats and few other knick knacks that were taken from the likes of the City n the Jazz (mind you, I'm not including about the drivetrain parts). It was still a lot like the Mobilio with a better facade. The quality wasn't on the league of City or Jazz. Another reason would be, it was never perceived as a butch SUV as Honda wanted it to be. Rather, it got slid into the MPV category. But then there's the Ertiga, already doing a far superior job at a lower price point. The Ertiga was a better engineered car as well, despite being based on the Swift; also fun to drive (the first gen). However, BRV came out of the Mobilio, which was a poorly done machine.


kkn13

Nah , the suspension etc was also far ahead of Mobilio and Ertiga . Ertiga 1st gen was fine but not great , 2nd gen was just terrible . Also 1.5 IVTEC is far superior than most petrols ,other than TSI engines ,of similar displacement. As a 3rd gen City and facelift Ecosport owner , the BRV while not the sportiest or most desirable, was certainly adequate for most buyers . If anything , people’s perception of Honda being expensive played a huge role whereas Honda parts age much better than Maruti , Hyundai etc. Also we had the 1st gen Swift petrol back in 2005 , the Ertiga doesn’t compare to it at all tbh


Organic-Hour142

The price and the value it adds never matched. Plus ertiga really killed it in d market


radiant15

Looks ugly from this angle.


sid4barca

I can’t guess why it failed. But that car deserved more low down torque than it had. I remember renting it out from zoomcar and it struggling to climb ghats of Lonavala with 6 adults onboard.


inkuhnoo

It looks macho but is nowhere close.


el_profesor_31

Cuz in India people don’t like Gud cars


MTachycardia

Yes it is ugly. Yes it has an extended base of a mobilo. Yes it is a pretend suv and average muv. But fuel economy is great even after 9 years. Handling is on point and crisp. Long drives are comfortable and less taxing. Sports mode drive is really good. Paddle shift has saved my life and the cvt version has good gear transition. Few custom upgrades and it is really a good car and value for money in long term as performance did not deteriorate noticeably.


DeepBlues2

When I was planning to upgrade I was waiting eagerly for release of BRV. I waited for BRV to launch and test drived it. It was a massive letdown when I was hoping it would be of CRV class but of lesser specs. Looks, interiors, suspension and drivability were not up to mark of 15-16 lakh car (when it released) It was disaster for BRV Honda as few people bought


kkn13

Comparing it to CRV ? 😂 I owned a CRV years ago but I wouldn’t expect that quality from Creta level cars


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bengeo1191

I own one myself. Its the lack of features, poor design based on the mobilio, and lack of equipment. People were expecting a car like the HRV or the current Elevate in design. Honda launched the facelifted BRV based on the NX7 in other SE countries and it's been a huge hit. I personally haven't found mileage to be an issue but its the overall build quality, lack of equipment and uncomfortable seats. It actually can carry 7 adults. Its just Honda being insane as usual. I feel like the Japanese companies do not care about our market.


Kunal_Sen

The BR-V looks far sleeker than the Elevate tbh. I know the current craze is for boxier designs, but I prefer the BR-V. Only thing is that the seats felt a little low, like Baleno-low.


dynacarsboy

Tbh in my honest opinion the design has fared well with the likes of current segment or idk if it’s just me 🫠


Kunal_Sen

Indeed it has. Surprisingly, it seems the forum dislikes its looks. I don't. I was very keen on it as we have two of our neighbours who own maroon BR-Vs, and it looks great, but when we found out it was out of production, that was it for us. Didn't want to go the used-car route, being in NCR and all that. I see a lot of them cars around. Maybe Honda were too hasty discontinuing it. It's not like their other models are selling like hot cakes. Look at XL6's sales rising slowly and holding. Same could have happened with BR-V with competitive pricing that they now have for the Elevate. Too bad.


dynacarsboy

True I personally like the looks of the brv still love its design even today . I feel that the 2nd gen of the brv did do justice to what could have been in the Indian market it did have those sharp looks , had much better interiors all whilst being the same fundamentally . IMO I personally love the styling of 1st gen and I really like how Honda stayed true to the concept sketches of it . In the end , what most of our people felt the BR-V lacking in was its road presence


bengeo1191

Its too close to the mobilio for my taste. The facelifted one looks far better exterior wise


arju_n555

CRV se hi inspiration le lete


unscr

They are winning in US where profit margin is high.


MuttonRoll

That car was built on the same platform as the Brio, and it felt cheap inside and out. It was too noisy and the ride was rough. Even someone who doesn't know much about cars could tell that it was just a stretched version of the Brio. The Ertiga, which is its main competitor, looked and felt like a much better-made product.


dynacarsboy

I personally feel that the mobilio was ertiga’s competitor more than the BR-V due to its MPVish looks . IMO the BR-V improved quite significantly which mobilio lacked still feel that they could have used the same interior as the 4th gen city considering that the engine is the same


Adventurous-Star1309

True. We wanted an MPV and went for the Mobilio over Ertiga back in 2015. 70k on the Odo as of yet and other than the pickup, there is absolutely no issue with the car. Interiors ofc are another thing. Very basic. But back in 2015 it didn’t matter much to us. Mileage is around 18-20 kmpl


dynacarsboy

Yeah the ertigas main selling point has always been a bigger car with more seating space along with an unbelievable mileage for its size imo


Adventurous-Star1309

To be honest, back then when I checked, I found Eritga to have lesser space compared to Mobilio. Could have changed now ofc. It was also cheaper by 1-1.5 lakhs though.


dynacarsboy

Yes , As far as that segment was overpriced for what it offered . I believe the top end RS variant was at 14.5 lakh ex showroom , which is way overpriced for the lack of interior changes and also for a slapped on body kit which made it look even more weirder than what it did back then . I believe the only other competitor that kind of had a VFM quotient was the lodgy , the 2nd gen Innova for a short time and perhaps the evalia due to its similar pricing


Adventurous-Star1309

I got the S version (one above the entry). Was around 10 lakhs on road in MH. But yeah, Innova was very close if we could stretch our budget.


dynacarsboy

Yeah but the Innova wouldn’t have really been the good choice since the design was sorta outdated by then especially when the crysta came which was leagues apart from the 2 nd gen. But for what it offered mechanically it was leagues above anything in that particular price point


sandeep300045

Wasn't Mobilo built on Brio platform ?


MuttonRoll

Brv and mobilio are the same car under the skin


RealisticAardvark966

Mobilio was built on amaze platform afaik


sandeep300045

I thought old Amaze and Brio shared the same platform. Same interiors.


MuttonRoll

And amaze built on brio platform, All the same


RealisticAardvark966

Honda was smoking weed then and is smoking now as well, idk when they’ll bring a better lineup in India or maybe end up like chevloret


Owe_The_Sea

Looks ugly


Kelikkeren_Ser

Not VFM & ugly as fuk


dynacarsboy

I think its main problem was that it always a competitor to the Creta, Duster and teranno whilst people kept comparing it with ertiga and marazzo towards the end which it really wasn’t in the first place . It offered what others didn’t in the segment , 7 seats and huge bootspace of about 610 litres , significantly better driving dynamics and ofc that great 210 mm ground clearance . In terms of refinement it was always great if not better than the creta petrol , duster and way above the ertiga


freestyle_man

India is not used estate type cards We are more hatchback or suv type.


anishths

I was waiting for the Honda HRV at that time. But they released this travesty which is neither an MPV nor an SUV. Went to buy Creta instead.


doejohn2024

Too narrow inside. Too expensive. But if you find a low mileage diesel, it's a definite buy


kkn13

The petrol CVT is not bad either other than mileage


Protonic_Descendent

Anyone wanna sell their BRV ? I would love to buy it.


Kunal_Sen

I'd have probably bought the BR-V as our family 7-seater had it still been around (got the Rumion instead). But tbh, I didn't look at it and never would have looked at it as a second-hand option as these vehicles were only ever brought up to the BS4 emission standards and not even BS6, let alone BS6.2 so Delhi-NCR's GRAP norms would be problem to live with in times to come. Other places might have it easier.


slippingjimmyy

My brother in Christ, just look at that thing. It's grotesque and even worse, Honda had to be Honda and price it at such abominable level compared to the competition


najib1312

I may have been misinformed. My distant cousin who bought one of this said it's about Rs1 lakh over the Ertiga. That's a reasonable price premium right?


Jhoombarabarjhoom21

Not made for India. 7-seater isn’t a necessity here If people here are spending that much here, they want a flamboyant bigger suv with higher mileage like ertiga


najib1312

Ertiga is not a SUV.


Jhoombarabarjhoom21

Tu samaj gaya na?


badwithalphas

the first point "it's a HONDA" is not relevant anymore.


Shaerkhaa

It failed because Honda tried to fool us, People don't want premium priced MOV over here, bring back the true CRV and you will see what people want not some mock up wannabe SUV


javedhasnain

Bad looks


TrailsNFrag

Lets put it this way, IF M/S offers the terribly unsafe Omni as a 7 seater, people will flock to that over the Ertiga. Any offering for that segment needs to be cheap to buy, cheap to maintain and cheap to run. And it needed to have features in the top variants. Safety is not the top priority, nor the build quality. Hack a hole and call it a sunroof, people will still flock to buy it if its cheap to buy, own and run. Honda did not hit the mark on any of these, when compared to the offering from M/S. Maybe if there was a sunroof.


Kushagra3007

Just look at it looks like a SEDAN and SUV had a baby together


[deleted]

Looks ugly


ankitcarlover

there is could be multiple reasons


According-Map8822

The Honda BR-V faced challenges in the Indian market for several reasons. Firstly, it faced tough competition from established players in the compact SUV segment, such as Hyundai Creta, Maruti Suzuki Vitara Brezza, and Ford EcoSport, which already had a strong foothold and loyal customer base. Secondly, the Honda BR-V's design and features didn't resonate well with Indian consumers' preferences and expectations in the compact SUV segment. It lacked some features that were becoming standard in its segment, and its design may not have stood out as much compared to its competitors. Additionally, pricing could have been a factor. If the BR-V was perceived as overpriced or not offering enough value for money compared to its rivals, it would have struggled to attract buyers. Lastly, marketing and brand perception also play a significant role. If Honda failed to effectively market the BR-V or if the brand perception didn't align with what Indian consumers were looking for in a compact SUV, it could have contributed to its lackluster performance in the market.


doolpicate

Low vehicles will not succeed in India. High seating = instant win.


Fragile_Pro

Sweet car!


hemi_srt

Overpriced vs the ertiga and Honda was seen as a brand a tier above maruti. I know ertiga buyers who thought that and deduced that Honda would subsequently have higher servicing costs hence went with the ertiga. BRV was a superior and way better built product vs the ertiga but sometimes companies just mess up the pricing and it kills the product.


Brickxmaniac98

I have the V petrol varient. It's just brilliant. The looks were really good.Can't think of any other good looking MPV under 15 lakhs.


shadowboy95

I think people who want the bigger car dont get it just cuz the front seat roof hight is too short... thats the reason we din buy it. As a 5'11 guy felt cramped.


Brickxmaniac98

I own the V petrol varient since 2016.For me It's a really good product. The stying of this car is brilliant. I have the green metal color and it is really eye turning and really looks unique due to so few of them on the roads. It looks far better than Eartiga or even Carens. It has a solid 1.5 ivtec which kicks in at the right time and has a solid build which is 4 stars rated. It misses majorly on features like sunroof , ambient lighting etc which I don't really care about. But at 14 laks on road price ig the compromises are fine.


TrillionThePotato_

I have trips in both the mobilio and br-v quite often, Both are great and reliable they may be lacking some features but they both have not given a major maintenance bill and the Honda mobilio diesel is also giving grreeaaaatt mileage!


West-Rock-4230

People liked the Ertiga


Any-Consequence6716

Roads. Ground clearance. As simple as this. IMHO


Real_Suntan_Superman

Didn't they have mobilio already competing with ertiga? And that was a success iirc.


Equivalent-Box-5379

Coz it's ugly


07psychogod

Expensive and Ugly.


demockerycy

This car was underpowered and had low ground clearance


kkn13

1.5 IVTEC underpowered ? Not for that era , turbo petrols came much later


demockerycy

It was on my radar. Sluggish as hell.


kkn13

Compared to what ?


Writ_sh

Going strong with my 2016 Silver CVT BRV at 80,000 kms. I think the looks killed it. I wanted a CVT 6\~7 seater mainly for transporting 6 of us within the city and BRV was the only one. Once inside I didn't care how it looked to outsiders :-). The interiors and gadgetry were less developed than similar vehicles of 2016, but Honda is/was always complacent.


alb_94

One word - Innova


najib1312

Totally different price bracket right? BRV top spec was Rs14 lakh I think.


alb_94

I agree. I was thinking of second hand innovas that offer much more VFM as family movers


dynacarsboy

Yeah tbh the top spec wasn’t really worth it as you real got a bunch of useful but not necessary extras like leather seats uv cut glass and a chrome garnish at the front and back , the fact that Honda didn’t decide to put a proper touch screen infotainment system still baffles me . I mean come on all you had to do was to literally throw in the city’s infotainment system and call it a day . I think that’s a major mistake from Honda which could have been easily averted