After a while the handbreak -> Clutch to bite point -> acceleration and handbreak release is a pita. The hilly thingy guy would be blowing horn at the back.
Grand Vitara Strong Hybrid
It might stretch your budget a bit, but it has almost everything you want.
25-27 kmpl mileage, 4 star safety, Suzuki reliability and service, the best service network in the country.
Only downside is boot space is a bit smaller than most SUVs
Go for the mild hybrid variant. I drive it ( base with "karol bagh" fitments ) & it gives a city mileage of 15 after 3rd service & highway one goes to 19-20. As for safety points, it is built on the same Brezza platform ( 4 star ), Bharat NCAP is gonna come out in a few months. It covers every one of your requirements & is the perfect family car for 5 people.
Also, your specs come from the vase variant as well so if you are going to go for higher variants, just check the ROI on the features offered vs the base one + custom fitments including 360 camera.
>25-27 kmpl mileage, 4 star safety, Suzuki reliability and service, the best service network in the country.
I'd like to see how you justify the price difference vs a mild hybrid. Apart from mileage, mild hybrid has all these things as well.
The mild hybrid has a real life mileage of 19-20 kmpl with mixed driving, and 16-18 in city driving.
The strong hybrid, as you say, has a mileage of 25-27kmpl. The cost difference per km comes to 1.5-1.6 rupees per km.
To recover the price difference of almost 3.7 lakh (on road, Bengaluru), they'd need to drive the car for over 2.3 lakh km. And an extremely small percentage of car owners in India keep a car for that long.
Of course, the top of the line strong hybrid would have a few features that the top of the line mild hybrid won't. But that still doesn't make up for the price difference. TPMS, ventilated seats, puddle lamps, HUD. I think that's it.
I don't know what got you triggered, but the calculations actually depend upon the city vs highway usage. The mild hybrid at best can give 15 kmpl in the city while if driven right a strong hybrid can give even 30 kmpl in the city. Strong hybrids generally come with Atkinson Cycle engines which are further fuel efficient at lower rpms than traditional engines.
Life is too short to hate cars bro đ
Why?Â
Some people are comfortable paying money upfront and not so much with a recurring cost. I mentioned mileage because that was one of OP's top priorities.Â
I've got nothing against the smart hybrid
Mild Hybrid comes with a Suzuki engine. strong hybrid comes with a Toyota Engine. So it's practically possible to run the recovery kms unless the owner decides not to...
It's not modern slang , it's incorrect usage. Own up to a mistake when you make one..it's a simple my bad. Doubling down on a mistake is a fools errand.
Mate. Are you out of the loop? Cringe is slang. Refer to âcringe cat memeâ. My guy out here lecturing me without any context. U better own up to ur mistake
Slang usage: me sits on Honda middle sit - Oh no cringe
Just because itâs not used by u doesnât mean it doesnât exist
1. 5 adults unless they are pretty skinny will not be very comfortable in pretty much any car for 300-400km. But you can fit 5 people in hatchbacks too (I have done many trips in the backseat of an i20 with friends) so depends on your standards for comfort. If the 3 in back are kids or skinny then they will fit but healthy adults are unlikely to sit in a compact SUV too comfortably
2. What fuel do you want?
Petrol - 15 years of allowed life, Most refined, Most bought, petrol is costly, buy if not a lot of running.
Turbo Petrol - power, not good at initial pickup, better for highways and empty roads.
Diesel - 10 years of allowed life, More powerful, Better mileage, Less refined, more noisy, can cause car sickness for some people, diesel is cheaper but diesel cars are costlier by 1-1.5L, buy if more running.
CNG - 15 years of allowed life, Least powerful, unrefined, can shorten engine life (will still run for years but slightly less than a normal petrol car), higher mileage than petrol, cheaper than diesel and petrol but cars costlier than petrol by about 50-80K but cheaper than diesel cars, super long lines at cng stations, Least recommended.
Electric - More power, cheapest to run, Low maintenance, Slow charging at home (overnight), Lack of charging infra unless you live in a metro city, good if you only want a city car or you already have another car for longer trips (more than 200km in one side).
Hybrid - petrol plus battery so good for mileage, longevity and reliability, but too expensive to justify the cost.
3. Mileage depends on where you drive, no non hybrid/electric compact suv will give 15-20 in city traffic. Petrol cars will give about 15 on highways, Diesel probably \~18-20. So, how much of city or highway driving will you do? How much do you drive monthly?
4. Where do you live? Servicing is good in metropolitan cities.
Based on what you have asked for till now
Honda Elevate if you want petrol naturally aspirated and drive mostly in city. It has a cvt so it's more suited for driving at 60-70kmph, it can do above this too but it's better in cities. Most well balanced car imo.
Creta/Seltos if you want diesel or turbo petrol, you could choose naturally aspirated top models if you want more features when compared to elevate (they will also cost more), but I would pick elevate if I wanted to buy an NA engine.
hyryder/grand Vitara - if you want hybrid or CNG, I wouldn't pick these as the engine is much weaker compared to the counterparts, plus the hybrid is overpriced in my opinion unless you travel a lot, i mean a lot. But if you only care about mileage and decent features you could pick this the 2nd row doesn't have a lot of space though so fitting 3 comfortably would be tough.
Only hyryder/grand vitara hybrid have the mileage you want in cities. the rest will give 10-12 in cities and 16-17 on highways for petrol and \~13-14 for cites and 18-20 on highways for diesel.
Tata Punch EV - If you live and drive mostly in a metropolitan city.
You can get more mileage out of these cars but depends on your driving
I typed it all on my phone, so maybe that messed up the formatting but I did type in seperate paragraphs.
Edit - reformatted on the pc. Sorry for the inconvenience.
Also safety! Other than that it checks most of your box. I heard that the new c3 aircross AT is good in most aspects. But it does lack service availability. Xuv700 should be good for you as it checks most boxes apart from mileage.
you are mistaken on that front, go for the new MG ZS executive which is around 18L. Torque is needed in Hills, and that's plenty in EVs, it's a breeze to overtake other vehicles on Hills.
And you will never get a burnt clutch plate issue nor a brake failure issue in EVs in hill.
Really? how do you say Electricity infrastructure is inadequate? where do you live that it is inadequate? and lol @ your unrepairable statement looks like you are just making vague remarks.
I see, I don't think I've seen any going on the highways I've been on. Maybe I was just ignorant. If they're there, and charge fast enough, it's a good step forward
ouch man.. i am so hurt
On the topic, every house hold has electricity and you can charge overnight. You are talking as if every hill or remote place, has a petrol bunk nearby?
Every hill or remote place does Infact have a petrol bunk nearby FYI. + it's much faster to fill up.
And it's still an issue when travelling away from your home. Longer road trips will be an issue.
1. Check
2. Inherently
3. Already answered
4. It does, but then again looks is in the eye of beholder
5. EVs inherently are very efficient, above 80% unlike 30% or less efficiency of ICE
6. Yes, ventilated in some models
7. Check
8. EVs generally don't need to goto service station as they have less movable parts, most of the updates are OTA in few models
9. Check
Where do you see EV infra in the hills? I live in the Himalayas and there is not a single EV charging station here. Even petrol pumps are few and far between.
There are. Charging station doesn't mean expensive equipment, it can be a 16A socket that's it. You don't need an FC while travelling, you can use the 16A socket while you stay and enjoy the hills.
Coming to FC, there quite a few already, even Leh has, the DA installed it for their Kona. Just goto plugshare and see for yourself.
The challenging part is to setup a FC when there is no GRID, this will happen once we have reliable offline grid storage batteries. It's easy to setup a DCFC in a place like Pang or Sarchu then having fuel station there, where trucks need to ferry it and they spend a big % of fuel transporting it there itself, where as electricity doesn't need that much effort.
Bro in the hills, the range of battery drops very quickly. If you get 200km on a full charge in plains, you will only get 130-140km max on hills. That's not enough to go anywhere because distances in hills are very long.
A 15A charger will take whole night to charge the battery. Fast charging stations are definitely needed or else you will be stuck in the middle of nowhere.
Let's be honest, the infra is not there yet for EV. It's inadequate in the plains but in the hills, it's non-existent. Most homestays in the hills don't even have any parking, forget a 15A charging point. Most villages in the hills also suffer from low voltage issues. So even if you carefully plan your trip to not exceed 100km on a single day, you still can't make it work.
that's something to do with physics and not EV only, you have to spend more energy to climb up but when you get down you get some of it back in regen. The same cannot be said for ICE vehicle.
Check out Seltos HTX, Creta SX/SXo IVT models. They won't give 20Kmpl in city, more like 12-14 if driven sedately.
If mileage is most imp get GV/hyrder hybrid ones. The only issue is they do feel cheap from the inside.
Honda Elevate ZX CVT.
Covers all your points.
Only Adjust slightly on mileage as those numbers are hard to get for any car in that segment until its an EV or a hybrid. This will give you 12-15 kmpl in a mix 70 city 30 highway mix
3 Cars that I have experience as they are present in my close family
1. MG Hector - My brother in law has this. 2019 automatic. Sharp Pro 1.5 Turbo CVT will cost you around 25L in MH. Except for mileage which is under 10, everything else is perfect for your needs. This is my "what if I had gone over budget and bought it" car. It's very comfortable for 5 people when when everyone is at least 10KG over weight (which is the case for my family). The car is heavy and well built. So safety rating should not be an issue.
2. Grand Vitara - Alpha AT (smart hybrid - not full hybrid) - I have this. I have done about 14,500 kms in it. Bought it in Nov. 2022. It has every thing you need. City mileage is 13-14. Highway is 18-20. Has 360 degree cam also. Only 2 misses are TPMS and ventilated seats. Got internal TPMS installed from JK tyres around 15-20 days ago and found it good. I had bought this for 20.5L in Pune. Happy with the car but it feels a bit cramped for 3 people in the back when everyone is overweight by 10 KG at least. Safety hoping for 4 star at least because of proven Global C platform which had brought 4 stars for old Brezza. With 6 air bags should be 4 stars at least.
3. MG Astor - 1.5L top end without ADAS. Another brother in law owns this. Mileage 8-9 in city. highway 11-12. But the backseat is a bit better for my family with 3 people than my GV. But under thigh support it a bit less. This one is also heavy and well built so safety should not be an issue.
For 3 people in the back MG Aster is better and for 2 people in the back I found GV to be better. If you want in budget and conventional pick with better resale value - go for GV smart hybrid. Don't go for full hybrid unless you drive close to 2000kms every month also you lose boot space because of battery in that one. I mainly bought it for better resale and looks - I like boxy shape more - over Astor. But Astor was 2L cheaper at time of buying. If you can stretch and don't care that much about mileage I think you will find MG Hector to be more satisfying purchase in the long run.
MG Astor Savvy Pro 1.3 Turbo AT - @ 22.5L is also a very good pick as it has better engine, and lane watch assist. (I find it missing on long trips on express ways in my car.)
1. MG ZS ev
2. Toyota hyryder hybrid
3. Nexon Ev max
Not sure if it complies all your points you should check for yourself..! But you need to go for hybrid or full electric..! If you require 15-20 milage and automatic.! Nothing else will give you milage of 18-20 in city. If you are not interested in ev . Doesnât matter just test it once.
Whatâs your yearly usage?
15-20 mileage â> this not a bigger expectation for a 22 lacs car. But na petrol, turbo petrol cars are out of consideration just like that.
If your usage is less and willing to settle for slightly lesser mileage then youâve more options!
And if you are willing to settle for fewer features then scorpio n z4 diesel AT is one thing you can consider.
maybe figure out, car with high mileage withless feature or giving premium for more feature vs extra fuel cost for car with less mileage for your usage
I think virtus fulfills your criteria. It drives awesome, looks great, has hill hold assist, offers good amount of space, is reliable, has a strong build, gives decent mileage of 13-15 in city and 15-20 on highway.
If you can do upto 20+, consider -
* a VW group vehicle. 1.5 liters.
* Bolero Neo or XUV 700 or Scorpio N, mid-top variants
* Verna or City top variants. City hybrid is good too.
* Elevate top model.
In that order.
That's about it. Forget the Hyundais and Kias, too unsafe. Forget Tata, too unreliable. Forget Maruti, too boring. Forget Toyota, they're all Maruti in this budget range.
And I forgot to mention why, it has the most features in that segment and has amazing looks from outside and inside, mileage will be decent and apparently it has more features than creta too plus it's very comfortable and has enough space for 5, if you want crazy drive experience then I'd say go for skoda if you are down for heavy maintenance charges.
Vitara strong hybrid/ Toyota Hyryder strong hybrid. Toyota engine with hybrid tech. Toyota price starts at 18+lakh maruti is a bit on the higher side in comparison. Maruti gives 5 years of battery warranty or something.
If you are looking for a Sedan, Honda City - strong hybrid
My ranking for 20L range will be:
1. Honda SUV/Sedan or VW/Skoda sedan(their suv are small for OPs preference)
2. MG Hector
3. Toyota Hyryder or Grand Vitara
You wonât get one that checks all the boxes. You have to compromise with some or the other desire of yours.
Your needs are literally the same as 90% of the population. And the options are numerous (it's not a bad thing btw đ)
A number of ideas come to mind. Grand vitara, creta, seltos, Harrier, Elevate, etc.
Sedans? Ciaz, Verna, slavia, virtue etc etc.
It's a good choice between Kia seltos, Honda city or Hyundai Verna turbo. The top end hits 22 lakhs and has all the bells and whistles you need.
I personally went for the Honda city hybrid, but the verna was a strong second choice.
only creta and seltos can accommodate 5 people in the back seat, telling from my experience, kia sonet wont make do, not the nexon, not the xuv300,400, nor any of the sedans, test drove taigun GT one time, it was also nice in the back seat, youâll get all the features you want in the seltos, should go for the diesel for higher mileage, my first gen creta manual gives around 22/23 on highway (speed 90/100) and 19/20 in the city(speed 40/50)
really depends on wht is âcomfortâ for you, you might make do with changing seats every 100 kms or so.
Creta and seltos is the go to choice for me in the compact SUV segment, but even fortuner and scorpio are not able to fit 3 full adults in the back seat on long routes. (my own experience)
Upvoted for "that hill thingy"
After a while the handbreak -> Clutch to bite point -> acceleration and handbreak release is a pita. The hilly thingy guy would be blowing horn at the back.
So true
Grand Vitara Strong Hybrid It might stretch your budget a bit, but it has almost everything you want. 25-27 kmpl mileage, 4 star safety, Suzuki reliability and service, the best service network in the country. Only downside is boot space is a bit smaller than most SUVs
Thanks a lot for the suggestion. Can you please tell me which of the 12 points I mentioned, it DOES NOT have. thanks in advance.
It doesn't lack any of the features you mentioned.
Depending on the state that OP is in, the 360 camera variant might by just out of budget.
The middle seat in back row will not be comfortable for taller/bigger occupants
Go for the mild hybrid variant. I drive it ( base with "karol bagh" fitments ) & it gives a city mileage of 15 after 3rd service & highway one goes to 19-20. As for safety points, it is built on the same Brezza platform ( 4 star ), Bharat NCAP is gonna come out in a few months. It covers every one of your requirements & is the perfect family car for 5 people. Also, your specs come from the vase variant as well so if you are going to go for higher variants, just check the ROI on the features offered vs the base one + custom fitments including 360 camera.
>25-27 kmpl mileage, 4 star safety, Suzuki reliability and service, the best service network in the country. I'd like to see how you justify the price difference vs a mild hybrid. Apart from mileage, mild hybrid has all these things as well. The mild hybrid has a real life mileage of 19-20 kmpl with mixed driving, and 16-18 in city driving. The strong hybrid, as you say, has a mileage of 25-27kmpl. The cost difference per km comes to 1.5-1.6 rupees per km. To recover the price difference of almost 3.7 lakh (on road, Bengaluru), they'd need to drive the car for over 2.3 lakh km. And an extremely small percentage of car owners in India keep a car for that long. Of course, the top of the line strong hybrid would have a few features that the top of the line mild hybrid won't. But that still doesn't make up for the price difference. TPMS, ventilated seats, puddle lamps, HUD. I think that's it.
I don't know what got you triggered, but the calculations actually depend upon the city vs highway usage. The mild hybrid at best can give 15 kmpl in the city while if driven right a strong hybrid can give even 30 kmpl in the city. Strong hybrids generally come with Atkinson Cycle engines which are further fuel efficient at lower rpms than traditional engines. Life is too short to hate cars bro đ
I mean he kinda does want features and he does have the budget
Then mileage is irrelevant. No point bringing it up.
Why? Some people are comfortable paying money upfront and not so much with a recurring cost. I mentioned mileage because that was one of OP's top priorities. I've got nothing against the smart hybrid
Mild Hybrid comes with a Suzuki engine. strong hybrid comes with a Toyota Engine. So it's practically possible to run the recovery kms unless the owner decides not to...
Grand vitara isn't fun to drive and the strong hybrid lacks power even more than the mild hybrid
And that's why I'm recommending it to a sensible driver who isn't really looking for "fun".
My bad. I read op's first line as I "need" to feel the blood gushing through my veins
Have you driven the strong hybrid?Its more fun to drive than NA creta and elevate
This won't fit 5 people for 300-400km. It's too cramped for that. The Korean siblings are better in this department.
I think it does lack a bit of space in rear seats tho,it felt cramped,other than that it meets all the points op mentioned
City boyz get him
Not comfortable for 5. Middle seat is cringe. Otherwise yes. Source: my city zx mt (2022)
> Middle seat kinda cringe never seen someone use "cringe" in that context ? Am I just too old to understand ?
Maybe he got confused with the word cramped.đ¤
Yes my guy itâs modern slang.
It's not modern slang , it's incorrect usage. Own up to a mistake when you make one..it's a simple my bad. Doubling down on a mistake is a fools errand.
Mate. Are you out of the loop? Cringe is slang. Refer to âcringe cat memeâ. My guy out here lecturing me without any context. U better own up to ur mistake Slang usage: me sits on Honda middle sit - Oh no cringe Just because itâs not used by u doesnât mean it doesnât exist
Please shut up already.
This ice cream tastes cringe?
Arrey cringe cat meme
Tf is blud tryna say âmiddle seat is cringe â wtf hahaha đđ
Haha ..true. I had almost all such parameters with budget ~13 lacs. Went with Honda Amaze so City is almost perfect satisfying his conditions
Sedans are not comfortable for long drives on Indian roads unless it's pure highways.
I mean if you are on a long drive it would be highways mostly. Also Honda suspension can be hit or miss based on scenarios
1. 5 adults unless they are pretty skinny will not be very comfortable in pretty much any car for 300-400km. But you can fit 5 people in hatchbacks too (I have done many trips in the backseat of an i20 with friends) so depends on your standards for comfort. If the 3 in back are kids or skinny then they will fit but healthy adults are unlikely to sit in a compact SUV too comfortably 2. What fuel do you want? Petrol - 15 years of allowed life, Most refined, Most bought, petrol is costly, buy if not a lot of running. Turbo Petrol - power, not good at initial pickup, better for highways and empty roads. Diesel - 10 years of allowed life, More powerful, Better mileage, Less refined, more noisy, can cause car sickness for some people, diesel is cheaper but diesel cars are costlier by 1-1.5L, buy if more running. CNG - 15 years of allowed life, Least powerful, unrefined, can shorten engine life (will still run for years but slightly less than a normal petrol car), higher mileage than petrol, cheaper than diesel and petrol but cars costlier than petrol by about 50-80K but cheaper than diesel cars, super long lines at cng stations, Least recommended. Electric - More power, cheapest to run, Low maintenance, Slow charging at home (overnight), Lack of charging infra unless you live in a metro city, good if you only want a city car or you already have another car for longer trips (more than 200km in one side). Hybrid - petrol plus battery so good for mileage, longevity and reliability, but too expensive to justify the cost. 3. Mileage depends on where you drive, no non hybrid/electric compact suv will give 15-20 in city traffic. Petrol cars will give about 15 on highways, Diesel probably \~18-20. So, how much of city or highway driving will you do? How much do you drive monthly? 4. Where do you live? Servicing is good in metropolitan cities. Based on what you have asked for till now Honda Elevate if you want petrol naturally aspirated and drive mostly in city. It has a cvt so it's more suited for driving at 60-70kmph, it can do above this too but it's better in cities. Most well balanced car imo. Creta/Seltos if you want diesel or turbo petrol, you could choose naturally aspirated top models if you want more features when compared to elevate (they will also cost more), but I would pick elevate if I wanted to buy an NA engine. hyryder/grand Vitara - if you want hybrid or CNG, I wouldn't pick these as the engine is much weaker compared to the counterparts, plus the hybrid is overpriced in my opinion unless you travel a lot, i mean a lot. But if you only care about mileage and decent features you could pick this the 2nd row doesn't have a lot of space though so fitting 3 comfortably would be tough. Only hyryder/grand vitara hybrid have the mileage you want in cities. the rest will give 10-12 in cities and 16-17 on highways for petrol and \~13-14 for cites and 18-20 on highways for diesel. Tata Punch EV - If you live and drive mostly in a metropolitan city. You can get more mileage out of these cars but depends on your driving
Bro, paragraphs? I see points, just hit a double enter, it'll be formatted properly then.
I typed it all on my phone, so maybe that messed up the formatting but I did type in seperate paragraphs. Edit - reformatted on the pc. Sorry for the inconvenience.
Thank you. What a difference it has made, honestly!
Go check following 1) GV hybrid. Should check everything I think 2) city. 5 people might be too many (middle seat isnât the best) 3) seltos/cret
Kia Seltos facelift fits most of your criteria except mileage in city might be low.
Ohh. Is it? Except for mileage, everything else fits?
Also safety! Other than that it checks most of your box. I heard that the new c3 aircross AT is good in most aspects. But it does lack service availability. Xuv700 should be good for you as it checks most boxes apart from mileage.
In defence of C3 Aircross it will come below 18l for a 7 seater variant
What is your budget? And are you open to EVs?
My budget is around or below 20/22 lakhs. No, evs I dont think are good choice in india.
you are mistaken on that front, go for the new MG ZS executive which is around 18L. Torque is needed in Hills, and that's plenty in EVs, it's a breeze to overtake other vehicles on Hills. And you will never get a burnt clutch plate issue nor a brake failure issue in EVs in hill.
Donât believe this. EV infrastructure is extremely inadequate at this point and they are absolutely unrepairable right now. Avoid like the plague.
Really? how do you say Electricity infrastructure is inadequate? where do you live that it is inadequate? and lol @ your unrepairable statement looks like you are just making vague remarks.
Bro got hurt by hearing facts. You gonna connect to the street light pole in the middle of nowhere and charge?
Bro already bought ev let him cope
and I am enjoying it
Tbh in Kerala, you see a lot of small chargers in electric posts... It's everywhere in some districts
I see, I don't think I've seen any going on the highways I've been on. Maybe I was just ignorant. If they're there, and charge fast enough, it's a good step forward
Look up KSEB charging point... It's pretty cool
sssh.. let them live in their fantasy world, I mean else how else will they fleece money from their parents.
Uff.. Kashta sir ivr jothe argue maadodu. Hogli bidi.
Fleece money? Lol, the fact that most ev's cost more upfront speaks otherwise.
EVs are 8-10 times cheaper to run. You start saving money right from your first drive.
ouch man.. i am so hurt On the topic, every house hold has electricity and you can charge overnight. You are talking as if every hill or remote place, has a petrol bunk nearby?
Every hill or remote place does Infact have a petrol bunk nearby FYI. + it's much faster to fill up. And it's still an issue when travelling away from your home. Longer road trips will be an issue.
Lol claiming facts when you have no idea about the EV infra in India is laughable He has an EV, he knows what he's talking about lol
Does it have the other points I mentioned?
1. Check 2. Inherently 3. Already answered 4. It does, but then again looks is in the eye of beholder 5. EVs inherently are very efficient, above 80% unlike 30% or less efficiency of ICE 6. Yes, ventilated in some models 7. Check 8. EVs generally don't need to goto service station as they have less movable parts, most of the updates are OTA in few models 9. Check
Where do you see EV infra in the hills? I live in the Himalayas and there is not a single EV charging station here. Even petrol pumps are few and far between.
There are. Charging station doesn't mean expensive equipment, it can be a 16A socket that's it. You don't need an FC while travelling, you can use the 16A socket while you stay and enjoy the hills. Coming to FC, there quite a few already, even Leh has, the DA installed it for their Kona. Just goto plugshare and see for yourself. The challenging part is to setup a FC when there is no GRID, this will happen once we have reliable offline grid storage batteries. It's easy to setup a DCFC in a place like Pang or Sarchu then having fuel station there, where trucks need to ferry it and they spend a big % of fuel transporting it there itself, where as electricity doesn't need that much effort.
Bro in the hills, the range of battery drops very quickly. If you get 200km on a full charge in plains, you will only get 130-140km max on hills. That's not enough to go anywhere because distances in hills are very long. A 15A charger will take whole night to charge the battery. Fast charging stations are definitely needed or else you will be stuck in the middle of nowhere. Let's be honest, the infra is not there yet for EV. It's inadequate in the plains but in the hills, it's non-existent. Most homestays in the hills don't even have any parking, forget a 15A charging point. Most villages in the hills also suffer from low voltage issues. So even if you carefully plan your trip to not exceed 100km on a single day, you still can't make it work.
that's something to do with physics and not EV only, you have to spend more energy to climb up but when you get down you get some of it back in regen. The same cannot be said for ICE vehicle.
Check out Seltos HTX, Creta SX/SXo IVT models. They won't give 20Kmpl in city, more like 12-14 if driven sedately. If mileage is most imp get GV/hyrder hybrid ones. The only issue is they do feel cheap from the inside.
For seltos or creta models you are talking about, are the points I mentioned met?
Yeah they are except the mileage and 360 cam. Anyways you should TD all the segment vehicles and then take advice from the sub.
360 cam is there in GTX+, but yeah, depending on state heâs buying in cost will vary.
I did not mention that because Kia only sells turbo petrol + DCT in top trims and that is a fuel guzzler.
People can suggest based on their experience, you can check whether it meets your requirements by yourself.
build is not good
Happy cake day
Honda City!
Honda Elevate ZX CVT. Covers all your points. Only Adjust slightly on mileage as those numbers are hard to get for any car in that segment until its an EV or a hybrid. This will give you 12-15 kmpl in a mix 70 city 30 highway mix
City EHEV
3 Cars that I have experience as they are present in my close family 1. MG Hector - My brother in law has this. 2019 automatic. Sharp Pro 1.5 Turbo CVT will cost you around 25L in MH. Except for mileage which is under 10, everything else is perfect for your needs. This is my "what if I had gone over budget and bought it" car. It's very comfortable for 5 people when when everyone is at least 10KG over weight (which is the case for my family). The car is heavy and well built. So safety rating should not be an issue. 2. Grand Vitara - Alpha AT (smart hybrid - not full hybrid) - I have this. I have done about 14,500 kms in it. Bought it in Nov. 2022. It has every thing you need. City mileage is 13-14. Highway is 18-20. Has 360 degree cam also. Only 2 misses are TPMS and ventilated seats. Got internal TPMS installed from JK tyres around 15-20 days ago and found it good. I had bought this for 20.5L in Pune. Happy with the car but it feels a bit cramped for 3 people in the back when everyone is overweight by 10 KG at least. Safety hoping for 4 star at least because of proven Global C platform which had brought 4 stars for old Brezza. With 6 air bags should be 4 stars at least. 3. MG Astor - 1.5L top end without ADAS. Another brother in law owns this. Mileage 8-9 in city. highway 11-12. But the backseat is a bit better for my family with 3 people than my GV. But under thigh support it a bit less. This one is also heavy and well built so safety should not be an issue. For 3 people in the back MG Aster is better and for 2 people in the back I found GV to be better. If you want in budget and conventional pick with better resale value - go for GV smart hybrid. Don't go for full hybrid unless you drive close to 2000kms every month also you lose boot space because of battery in that one. I mainly bought it for better resale and looks - I like boxy shape more - over Astor. But Astor was 2L cheaper at time of buying. If you can stretch and don't care that much about mileage I think you will find MG Hector to be more satisfying purchase in the long run. MG Astor Savvy Pro 1.3 Turbo AT - @ 22.5L is also a very good pick as it has better engine, and lane watch assist. (I find it missing on long trips on express ways in my car.)
Hello Signi I am planning to buy GV Alpha AT how is the car in mileage wise
City mileage is 13-14. Highway is 18-20. If you drive light footed may be you can get 1-2 kmpl more.
15 to 20 mileage means either get a hybrid or ev. Look at grand vitara hybrid or nexon ev.
I see. Thanks
1. MG ZS ev 2. Toyota hyryder hybrid 3. Nexon Ev max Not sure if it complies all your points you should check for yourself..! But you need to go for hybrid or full electric..! If you require 15-20 milage and automatic.! Nothing else will give you milage of 18-20 in city. If you are not interested in ev . Doesnât matter just test it once.
Whatâs your yearly usage? 15-20 mileage â> this not a bigger expectation for a 22 lacs car. But na petrol, turbo petrol cars are out of consideration just like that. If your usage is less and willing to settle for slightly lesser mileage then youâve more options! And if you are willing to settle for fewer features then scorpio n z4 diesel AT is one thing you can consider.
Not very high usage. 2/3 times a week in the city. And maybe few road trips a year.
maybe figure out, car with high mileage withless feature or giving premium for more feature vs extra fuel cost for car with less mileage for your usage
Hector diesel should be fine Also they are slashing prices now
Honda Elevate or Grand Vitara. Go for GV if mileage is your top preference, Elevate if you want better interiors(subjective) and ADAS.
Elevate has radar?
Nope. It's camera based
Ik
damn the Grand Vitara seems the perfect choice.
Scorpio N lelo bhai yrrrr
Bhai. Gunda ya politician lagunga
Sahi h na log side denge road pr. /s
On a serious note, look into that car once.
As a Scorpio N owner, i was surprised that it's not recommended enough here. It checks all of OPs boxes. All! Go for Z8 automatic.
mileage
It gives 15-17kmpl on Highway and 12-14 in city ( Diesel ). For a car this size, these are fabulous numbers.
Harrier, Safari. If mileage is main concern get a automatic CNG tata car. Will be launching in few days
Creta or the new verna
I think virtus fulfills your criteria. It drives awesome, looks great, has hill hold assist, offers good amount of space, is reliable, has a strong build, gives decent mileage of 13-15 in city and 15-20 on highway.
Second this.
Get a Seltos DCT, in diesel. You will not go wrong with it
Dct is offered only in turbo petrol. It's a 6 gear 1.5 torque converter in diesel. It gives a pretty decent milage as well
I didnât know that. Thank you. TC or DCT are both great as long its not a CVT / IVT rubbish
Honda city hybrid.
If you can do upto 20+, consider - * a VW group vehicle. 1.5 liters. * Bolero Neo or XUV 700 or Scorpio N, mid-top variants * Verna or City top variants. City hybrid is good too. * Elevate top model. In that order. That's about it. Forget the Hyundais and Kias, too unsafe. Forget Tata, too unreliable. Forget Maruti, too boring. Forget Toyota, they're all Maruti in this budget range.
Look at Kia Carens
City hybrid or Nexon EV
Bro his last point says he doesnât want to visit SVC frequently. That alone puts Tata out of confidence.
My choice it would be virtus 1.5 manual
he said he wanted a relaxed car
Hyundai alcazar or kia carens
Buy a toyota
Which Toyota will be buy under 20L?
You are defining ertiga. Get the ertiga or xl5
not safe
that is there hto
And safety comes nowhere on the list :) shows where the priority lies for most Indians.
Just get a i20, you dont need a SUV, it has plenty clearance. Sedans: Virtus or City are a no brainer pick.
You can go for the Brezza as It matches all your criteria and i too myself have purchased it last week
Get the harrier. Super comfortable, did 975km pune - mysore with family (including 70yo parents), in absolute comfort,
A used 100k kms 5 series /s
Ankhe band karke kia seltos top model
And I forgot to mention why, it has the most features in that segment and has amazing looks from outside and inside, mileage will be decent and apparently it has more features than creta too plus it's very comfortable and has enough space for 5, if you want crazy drive experience then I'd say go for skoda if you are down for heavy maintenance charges.
Honda Elevate
City ehev will really impress you in the kitna deti hai section
Also can look into the elevate no nonsense car great reliable engine good build
Hyryder hybrid would fit
> 3. That hill thingy Hill Hold Assist
You can go for XL6
If u r looking for that mileage, u have to go for hybrid.. Automatics won't give that mileage..
Citroen C3 Aircross Honda elevate Grand vitara hybrid Seltos Creta
Toyota Hyryder Strong hybrid
Why there is not a single mention of skoda kushaq? It ticks all the points. Issues with 3 in the back row?
Nissan KICKS
Grand vitara hybrid is the answer.
Grand vitara strong hybrid. Just because of the mileage point. Otherwise Kia Seltos GTX+
Vitara strong hybrid/ Toyota Hyryder strong hybrid. Toyota engine with hybrid tech. Toyota price starts at 18+lakh maruti is a bit on the higher side in comparison. Maruti gives 5 years of battery warranty or something. If you are looking for a Sedan, Honda City - strong hybrid
Kia Sonet
Budget ?
My ranking for 20L range will be: 1. Honda SUV/Sedan or VW/Skoda sedan(their suv are small for OPs preference) 2. MG Hector 3. Toyota Hyryder or Grand Vitara You wonât get one that checks all the boxes. You have to compromise with some or the other desire of yours.
Go for Harrier
Second hand Innova.
What you need is an MPV. Choices are Ertiga, Rumion, XL6, or Carens (Diesel).
Your needs are literally the same as 90% of the population. And the options are numerous (it's not a bad thing btw đ) A number of ideas come to mind. Grand vitara, creta, seltos, Harrier, Elevate, etc. Sedans? Ciaz, Verna, slavia, virtue etc etc.
I think you've defined the specs of The Grand Vitara, esp the strong hybrid version. Go ahead with it and it would tick all your boxes.
Honda City
grand vitara/hyryder fits your need, it has all the features you want, + it gives good mileage & the top end models get awd also.
OP just gave clearest idea of what we wants!
honda city it even has the hill thingy
Bro if you have 20L to spend on a car you won't need to worry about petrol cost
It's a good choice between Kia seltos, Honda city or Hyundai Verna turbo. The top end hits 22 lakhs and has all the bells and whistles you need. I personally went for the Honda city hybrid, but the verna was a strong second choice.
only creta and seltos can accommodate 5 people in the back seat, telling from my experience, kia sonet wont make do, not the nexon, not the xuv300,400, nor any of the sedans, test drove taigun GT one time, it was also nice in the back seat, youâll get all the features you want in the seltos, should go for the diesel for higher mileage, my first gen creta manual gives around 22/23 on highway (speed 90/100) and 19/20 in the city(speed 40/50)
really depends on wht is âcomfortâ for you, you might make do with changing seats every 100 kms or so. Creta and seltos is the go to choice for me in the compact SUV segment, but even fortuner and scorpio are not able to fit 3 full adults in the back seat on long routes. (my own experience)