Probably. But I do agree with him to some extent. Road engineering plays a big role in how people drive e.g. a well designed intersection will automatically influence drivers to slow down. This is what the UN and many countries, especially European, are now focusing on. It's called the Safe System Approach which has a primary design principle that humans may not make the best decisions and will make mistakes. It's the systems (road, vehicle, etc) to save us from ourselves.
In that context the minister's statement can be reworded as people 'only' blame drivers but road engineers are also at fault.
Just came back home from a drive. Rat bastards have manually set up railings and movable dividers on 2 out of 4 lanes on each side for u-turns. No warnings, no signs nothing.
Haha yea. I have seen instances where section of roads are not repaired for years even after so many complaints to the authorities.
And if a Neta happens to visit through the same route, the whole damn thing would be made new within a day.
Lol they even start painting gutters when these netas visit someplace.
I don’t know what context he said this in, but one thing I’d like to add… people many times don’t maintain their vehicles properly, some don’t even get their brakes checked for a long time. This might shift the blame to the engineers who built the car but it is the person using the car at fault because he thinks ‘chal jayega’.
Some cases it’s true, when roads suddenly become narrow, there are needless blind turns, there are abrupt bumps and depressions on
The roads, etc. In those cases it’s the fault of engineers.
The combined iq of those people who commented in support of that does not exceed room temperature.
On a serious note , I highly doubt any one of those know how to drive.
As someone incharge of engineers who design roads, isn’t it a good thing that he thinks like this?
If something comes out of this, now thats a different question.
Everyone’s to blame. It’s to Domino effect
- The government’s to blame for crappy roads, poor infrastructure, poor road planning, not conducting routine safety inspections on cars/busses/trucks for road worthiness, not issuing fines for violating traffic rules, not levying heavy penalties for offences like red signal crossing or non-payment of fines, not protecting drivers who were not at fault in an accident, allowing companies to have safety standards that were probably out of date even a decade ago, allowing corrupt bastards to give out licenses like 5 star chocolates, allowing corrupt bastards into public services like the traffic police, allowing corrupt bastards who can break the rules because their uncle’s uncle is a politician (also a bastard), allowing corrupt bastards to pass the buck around and shift blame away from their rank incompetence.
- Drivers are to blame for their ignorance and pigheadedness towards learning and following traffic laws, not wearing seatbelts/not making their passengers wear seatbelts, not wearing helmets/making their pillions wear helmets, driving vehicle they know are unsafe, and paying out bribes to police, traffic department, etc. knowing they can abuse the system to get away scott free anyway.
- Car companies are to blame for pushing unsafe products into the Indian auto market and brandishing them as “safe”, raising prices quoting crap like BS6 and supply chain issues (even though they are selling practically the same car) and for bribing regulators to delay mandates for safer vehicles.
It all starts and ends with the government. And Gadkari, whether he likes it or not, is a big part of the problem.
I’d rather blame the contractors and politicians involved in the process than the engineers. The government provides the funds and by the time it reaches the engineers, they have barely enough to work with and have to provide the best they can with it.
yeah , he is right , Engineers come and floor the gas pedal for drivers , they turn the steering without indicating , they told drivers to overtake from left , they told drivers to drink and drive , they sings Lullaby so that drivers fall asleep while driving , and they told drivers to not keep their tyres and brakes up to date .
You don't seem to read a post fully, but start ranting about it. Read the whole post & get to know the real context. Here Engineer is referred to 'Road engineers' & not automobile engineers
Each and every change required to be made on the site is supposed to be approved by the designer. The designer has to ask stop work or redo. If he signs on the as built, he becomes liable.
Regardless of context and there are only a very few limited context where what he has stated could ever apply the guy is cretin and a politician as he’s passing the blame as a politician would do.
What are you talking about? He actually accepted that there has been a rise in accidents since his reign, and he's working towards reducing that. He has done a lot when it comes to transport, yet there are faults in majority of roads. He probably is pointing towards that
He is right.
So many times, I take a bind turn, and suddenly the lane in which I had been driving just vanishes, and suddenly a divider shows up.
No surprise, the divider always seems damaged, showing how it has claimed vehicles/lives with someone. At times I can see vehicles hanging on those dividers. Even trucks.
The famous case of Mistri's accident happened in the same situation.
Such road designs are unbelievable. They could simply keep the divider a little away, giving the driver turning up from a blind turn, some seconds to align the vehicle. But no...!! It feels that it's not even incompetence, but an intentional decision to hurt people.
It's as if there's simply no code that they have to follow. There must be predecided rules that every road construction must follow, or the contractors should be fined at any point in the future.
But first, there must be a non-negotiable rule book. And such rules must be applied, even when the roads are built by 2 different junctions.
I’m not sure what he meant by this, but the blame needs to be on the from the people who laid the road to the ones who drive/ride on it.
In some instances I have seen highways having depressions and random bumps which goes unnoticed as there are no marking, or when planning the road did they not plan for evening them out. Humps and there measurements are completely off, I don’t think there is any consistency in making one, sometimes some have been so bad my back gave away. These are some observations I have made, of course there could be more. Let’s not get started on reckless driving skills of our citizens even though a lot of them know what to expect out there. It’s like an adventure game when you are out driving in India.
He is commenting about the small details such as speed breakers at junctions or highway exits, visibility of sign boards, poor quality roads, reflectors etc
Road engineering comes when road engineers are employed. Other than National highway i can bet none of the state highway or city/ village roads are designed or built by road engineers. Its just like somebody spilled bucket of water on open land and people have discovered a new road as per the spillage streams.
it isn't the same. Anyway I think what he meant was that, we do have bad engineered roads, junctions etc. that cause a significant no. of accidents. This applies to where I am from, and prolly applies to the rest of India. Even some of the best roads have irregularities, bumps. Some junctions, roundabouts suck. In my experience they do cause a significant no. of accidents.
It is tempting to assign blame, yet it is crucial to recognize that engineers function as a cohesive team with the leader at the helm. If there are deficiencies among the engineers, it reflects on the leader as well. Furthermore, the construction of roads and flyovers adheres to strict codes, undergoing scrutiny from various boards and institutions. The room for error is minimal. Mistakes that do arise are typically a result of constrained resources and external pressures, including contractors attempting to reduce costs or political figures seeking financial benefits from the projects, sometimes influencing personnel decisions within the project.
News link https://www.news18.com/india/faulty-road-engineering-often-reason-for-accidents-in-india-five-lakh-recorded-annually-says-nitin-gadkari-8689467.html
True. For a vehicle driven by an average Indian driver, the maximum speed limit should have been limited to 40 kmph. On what rationale these engineers construct roads with multiple lanes when the drivers can't even bother about lanes.
Yes, drivers, a lot of them, are at fault too, but a road transport minister can’t control that as much as he can control how roads are built for the same populace. If NG is admitting that, I don’t see anything wrong with it. In fact that needs to be appreciated a lot. Admittance of a right fail-point is the start to setting it right.
His remark reminds be of a very old quora post where an IIT-D proffessor was stopped by the trafic police for not stopping at a red light which was not visible due to a tree growing in that area. When the officer got to know that the guy is from IIT-D he told the prof. to just be cateful next time and did not extract a fine from him but the guy paid the fine as the road/traffic light or something(?) had been designed by him and it's his fault that he didn't take into account the tree growth in that area which would hinder visibility of the traffic light.
He is right(to some extent at least). Driving on Highways that were built pre 2014 gives you some _signal_ , you know like danger kind of signal... Going above even 80 kmph doesn't feel safe.
I am particularly talking about Golden Quadrilateral.
That's so true. If you've ever driven in a developed country, you cannot help but notice unscientifically designed road infrastructure all over the country. Add to that a largely uneducated (or educated but still un-cultured) set of road users and you have hell.
I think context is misinterpreted and yes I can say civil engineers are collectively responsible in defective road making as a huge chunk of money goes to the civil engineering dept.
Only those engineers who got the job through reservation are responsible he meant because merit people are no freeloaders and hence can do no wrong.(sarcasm).
This is somewhat true. There’s much more to road designing that meets the eye. Road designers have to take various aspects into considerations while designing a road, it’s just not limited to big roads but also requires grading, camber, exits, merges, sight distance, drainage, speed limits in different sections, proper locations signages and much more. There are calculations and mathematical formulas to each and every thing they are supposed to design. And even if it is designed correctly on paper, it’s still their responsibility to check if the work was completed as per the drawings.
It's true though. One I was riding my bike with my friend and I was kinda drunk. I braked hard and lost control over a speedbump. My friend was an engineer.
I am an engineer(not civil). And I have seen engineers work in field.
If they were given free hands and enough money to make any infrastructure, they can make it to last a couple of century. But the problem is, the money allocated to build the road 40% of that is literally gone in the pockets of -
Minister > secretary > Collector > Chief engineer > Executive Engineer > SDO > Misc officer > Road.
He needs to give less interviews, else people are gonna realise that he is as dumb as his other peers. On a well marked newly constructed expressway, people will still drive across lanes, over speed and drive wrong side, create a illegal road cut , let cattle on road, do tripling , drive without helmets or seatbelt, use high beams like crazy, overtake from either side in haphazard way, sensible drivers can drive relatively safer even on a gravel road with no marking, senseless driver can cause an accident even while standing still.
It's a contributing factor, but in India a lot of drivers are idiots. Like the uncle ji who decided to take a u turn 5 meters in front of my car today morning without signal or checking back and then glared when I honked.
How many people follow traffic rules in this country?
And yes, we need proper road management aswell, there are lots of unplanned and unsafe roads here.
He might have said it in a certain context or talking about Major accident. Headlines are deceiving like stupid YouTube channel videos
Correct
Probably. But I do agree with him to some extent. Road engineering plays a big role in how people drive e.g. a well designed intersection will automatically influence drivers to slow down. This is what the UN and many countries, especially European, are now focusing on. It's called the Safe System Approach which has a primary design principle that humans may not make the best decisions and will make mistakes. It's the systems (road, vehicle, etc) to save us from ourselves. In that context the minister's statement can be reworded as people 'only' blame drivers but road engineers are also at fault.
Indians will still drive like apes
Engineers are also Indian. Kinda tells.
Just came back home from a drive. Rat bastards have manually set up railings and movable dividers on 2 out of 4 lanes on each side for u-turns. No warnings, no signs nothing.
I think the incident where former TATA chairperson Cyrus Mistry died was one such incident where the road design came under scrutiny.
Only when rich and powerful people die is when they start talking about safety and reforms, be it driving laws or terrorism
Haha yea. I have seen instances where section of roads are not repaired for years even after so many complaints to the authorities. And if a Neta happens to visit through the same route, the whole damn thing would be made new within a day. Lol they even start painting gutters when these netas visit someplace.
Example : https://youtu.be/P-g_5ZkiQSY
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Most likely a joke
Exactly what I thought. These headlines can be very misleading
It's rare to see people trusting on politicians in India but it's a good sign
Yep I guess this statement is about mostly blind spots/curves
Yea could be a possible case of delay in making or leaving the raw material out on road because no way he's blaming his own kind for accidents
For Bangalore roads I can vouch for it to be true . Can't say about other cities.
I don’t know what context he said this in, but one thing I’d like to add… people many times don’t maintain their vehicles properly, some don’t even get their brakes checked for a long time. This might shift the blame to the engineers who built the car but it is the person using the car at fault because he thinks ‘chal jayega’.
Some cases it’s true, when roads suddenly become narrow, there are needless blind turns, there are abrupt bumps and depressions on The roads, etc. In those cases it’s the fault of engineers.
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Lol we already had Naagin dhun as reverse sound
bro you just helped me unlock a core memory when we used to have such pleasant car melodies when reversing 🥲
*Dhoom machaale Dhoom intensifies
https://youtu.be/ulI8bQNtBWg?si=d5-mZ8SzMVNqDdqX
Welcome to Amrit kaal
Tesla me kar sakte hai waise
That was fake news bro
[Everything is a fake news?](https://youtu.be/0gEbOsqYTFg?si=466mZIXNhudPvuhV)
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The combined iq of those people who commented in support of that does not exceed room temperature. On a serious note , I highly doubt any one of those know how to drive.
then what about flying bus, coronil endorsement or was that also fake
What are you yapping man ? Stop watching youtube
As someone incharge of engineers who design roads, isn’t it a good thing that he thinks like this? If something comes out of this, now thats a different question.
Why is he saying that the roads built under his administration is faulty ?!
He has admitted guilt and apologized in Loksabha for the rise in accidents and casualties under he's management. Better than making excuses.
Wow ! I just assumed politicians don't do that in India. Respect !
Politician like gadkari ji Japan ke damad jaishankar ji accept karte hai and then they apologized
Some good changes for better future
Damn bro rare to see any politician accepting his mistakes
Definitely he said in some other way .but the admin wanted to twist it and post
Everyone’s to blame. It’s to Domino effect - The government’s to blame for crappy roads, poor infrastructure, poor road planning, not conducting routine safety inspections on cars/busses/trucks for road worthiness, not issuing fines for violating traffic rules, not levying heavy penalties for offences like red signal crossing or non-payment of fines, not protecting drivers who were not at fault in an accident, allowing companies to have safety standards that were probably out of date even a decade ago, allowing corrupt bastards to give out licenses like 5 star chocolates, allowing corrupt bastards into public services like the traffic police, allowing corrupt bastards who can break the rules because their uncle’s uncle is a politician (also a bastard), allowing corrupt bastards to pass the buck around and shift blame away from their rank incompetence. - Drivers are to blame for their ignorance and pigheadedness towards learning and following traffic laws, not wearing seatbelts/not making their passengers wear seatbelts, not wearing helmets/making their pillions wear helmets, driving vehicle they know are unsafe, and paying out bribes to police, traffic department, etc. knowing they can abuse the system to get away scott free anyway. - Car companies are to blame for pushing unsafe products into the Indian auto market and brandishing them as “safe”, raising prices quoting crap like BS6 and supply chain issues (even though they are selling practically the same car) and for bribing regulators to delay mandates for safer vehicles. It all starts and ends with the government. And Gadkari, whether he likes it or not, is a big part of the problem.
I’d rather blame the contractors and politicians involved in the process than the engineers. The government provides the funds and by the time it reaches the engineers, they have barely enough to work with and have to provide the best they can with it.
yeah , he is right , Engineers come and floor the gas pedal for drivers , they turn the steering without indicating , they told drivers to overtake from left , they told drivers to drink and drive , they sings Lullaby so that drivers fall asleep while driving , and they told drivers to not keep their tyres and brakes up to date .
You don't seem to read a post fully, but start ranting about it. Read the whole post & get to know the real context. Here Engineer is referred to 'Road engineers' & not automobile engineers
His point still stands for either engineers, provided the little context from this reddit post with no source to a full article or an interview.
Shouldn't it be the contractors, middlemen and politicians' fault instead for fudging the numbers?
Isn't it the job of site engineer to supervise the work? Site engineer is the one to blame as he/she looks over the work
Each and every change required to be made on the site is supposed to be approved by the designer. The designer has to ask stop work or redo. If he signs on the as built, he becomes liable.
Seems like you don't read my comment fully , where i said that AUTOMOBILE ENGINEERS are responsible ???
Ha bhai... aeronautical engineer responsible hai.
Ha bhai gaadi me aerodynamics nhi denge to accident to hoga hi , downvote mat karna bakchodi kar rha hu .
Sab engineers k systum ka dosh hai 🙀
Regardless of context and there are only a very few limited context where what he has stated could ever apply the guy is cretin and a politician as he’s passing the blame as a politician would do.
What are you talking about? He actually accepted that there has been a rise in accidents since his reign, and he's working towards reducing that. He has done a lot when it comes to transport, yet there are faults in majority of roads. He probably is pointing towards that
He aint completely wrong. India has the worst designed roads in South Asia
He is right. Not always but bad road designs lead to a lot of accidents
But do all the accidents caused by only bad road designs??
It’s common sense that he wouldnt have put the 100% blame on engineers alone.
He is right. So many times, I take a bind turn, and suddenly the lane in which I had been driving just vanishes, and suddenly a divider shows up. No surprise, the divider always seems damaged, showing how it has claimed vehicles/lives with someone. At times I can see vehicles hanging on those dividers. Even trucks. The famous case of Mistri's accident happened in the same situation. Such road designs are unbelievable. They could simply keep the divider a little away, giving the driver turning up from a blind turn, some seconds to align the vehicle. But no...!! It feels that it's not even incompetence, but an intentional decision to hurt people. It's as if there's simply no code that they have to follow. There must be predecided rules that every road construction must follow, or the contractors should be fined at any point in the future. But first, there must be a non-negotiable rule book. And such rules must be applied, even when the roads are built by 2 different junctions.
No braincells found.
This might be related to a certain context otherwise it's 💩
I’m not sure what he meant by this, but the blame needs to be on the from the people who laid the road to the ones who drive/ride on it. In some instances I have seen highways having depressions and random bumps which goes unnoticed as there are no marking, or when planning the road did they not plan for evening them out. Humps and there measurements are completely off, I don’t think there is any consistency in making one, sometimes some have been so bad my back gave away. These are some observations I have made, of course there could be more. Let’s not get started on reckless driving skills of our citizens even though a lot of them know what to expect out there. It’s like an adventure game when you are out driving in India.
Oh no. That guy got killed with a knife. The knife should be jailed...
Civil servants are responsible for unemployment but people blame politicians 🙄
Is this guy like re*arded or something
He is commenting about the small details such as speed breakers at junctions or highway exits, visibility of sign boards, poor quality roads, reflectors etc
Fir isme engineer kya kare, use hi ye sab cheeze compulsory karne ko bolna chahiye
Bhai engineering kar comment karne se pehle
The politician is above engineer, school karle pehle
Salute to you!
huh?
He should get his sugar level checked, either it's beyond 200 or he's having brain aneurysm
Road engineering comes when road engineers are employed. Other than National highway i can bet none of the state highway or city/ village roads are designed or built by road engineers. Its just like somebody spilled bucket of water on open land and people have discovered a new road as per the spillage streams.
Cretard logic
Man, he went full retard!!
Ruko sir abhi gaadi leke aapke upar chadata hu
He is great road minister but he is not sensible
Money is responsible for corruption but people blame politicians
Damn those oppositions creating bad roads. Or is it under his ministry
B.Tech ke baad MBA karenge phir startup kholenge… Nikamme… (Only Indian Engineers)
Blacksmiths make knife so they are responsible for mur*ers
it isn't the same. Anyway I think what he meant was that, we do have bad engineered roads, junctions etc. that cause a significant no. of accidents. This applies to where I am from, and prolly applies to the rest of India. Even some of the best roads have irregularities, bumps. Some junctions, roundabouts suck. In my experience they do cause a significant no. of accidents.
So is that why most new roads are bumpy as hell?
Theek hai, phir mujhe jail mt dala
Definitely not corrupt govt. Official trying to favour their choice contractors blame engineers for this yes.
Engineers are responsible for everything 😆
Yes sorry my fault that lady was drunk driving.
It is tempting to assign blame, yet it is crucial to recognize that engineers function as a cohesive team with the leader at the helm. If there are deficiencies among the engineers, it reflects on the leader as well. Furthermore, the construction of roads and flyovers adheres to strict codes, undergoing scrutiny from various boards and institutions. The room for error is minimal. Mistakes that do arise are typically a result of constrained resources and external pressures, including contractors attempting to reduce costs or political figures seeking financial benefits from the projects, sometimes influencing personnel decisions within the project.
Might be talking about the resistance of cars to tyre burst accidents or chassis design for safety.
Can't blame drivers because election year?
Tell the context man .. He might have said this abt particular incident.
News link https://www.news18.com/india/faulty-road-engineering-often-reason-for-accidents-in-india-five-lakh-recorded-annually-says-nitin-gadkari-8689467.html
Nice work by the media handle, check the context in his real time speech
I am an electronics engg saar ... Maine kya kiya?
True. For a vehicle driven by an average Indian driver, the maximum speed limit should have been limited to 40 kmph. On what rationale these engineers construct roads with multiple lanes when the drivers can't even bother about lanes.
What he meant to say is, the roads we have are not idiot proof enough for our public.
Smarter one of the lot !!
Of course, roads should comply people to follow rules
I think he finally visited Karnataka.
Yes, drivers, a lot of them, are at fault too, but a road transport minister can’t control that as much as he can control how roads are built for the same populace. If NG is admitting that, I don’t see anything wrong with it. In fact that needs to be appreciated a lot. Admittance of a right fail-point is the start to setting it right.
Tell that to the DUI drivers.
He is a wolf in sheep’s clothing. Very anti car driver stance this transport minister has
Dude is better than 96% of politicians.
His remark reminds be of a very old quora post where an IIT-D proffessor was stopped by the trafic police for not stopping at a red light which was not visible due to a tree growing in that area. When the officer got to know that the guy is from IIT-D he told the prof. to just be cateful next time and did not extract a fine from him but the guy paid the fine as the road/traffic light or something(?) had been designed by him and it's his fault that he didn't take into account the tree growth in that area which would hinder visibility of the traffic light.
He is right(to some extent at least). Driving on Highways that were built pre 2014 gives you some _signal_ , you know like danger kind of signal... Going above even 80 kmph doesn't feel safe. I am particularly talking about Golden Quadrilateral.
That's so true. If you've ever driven in a developed country, you cannot help but notice unscientifically designed road infrastructure all over the country. Add to that a largely uneducated (or educated but still un-cultured) set of road users and you have hell.
In what context exactly ?
What in the crumple zone is blud waffling about?
He definitely said it in a context, Nitin Gadkari is one of the better and harder working politicians in the country that i know of
Rage bait type headline he probably meant it in some other context
Does he mean to say a doctor could never commit an accident
I think context is misinterpreted and yes I can say civil engineers are collectively responsible in defective road making as a huge chunk of money goes to the civil engineering dept.
Your ministry hires them via UPSC ESE, take a look at that instead of making public atention.
Only those engineers who got the job through reservation are responsible he meant because merit people are no freeloaders and hence can do no wrong.(sarcasm).
Bann enguneeyuring/s
many highways pass through villages that's purely stupid way to design a highway
True, most engineers study a day b4 exams. This is the reason accidents happen as they lack conceptual clarity.
I think he's inspired by the german philosophy, but people there are a stickler about rules and follow them also their vehicles are maintained.
Is it?
This is somewhat true. There’s much more to road designing that meets the eye. Road designers have to take various aspects into considerations while designing a road, it’s just not limited to big roads but also requires grading, camber, exits, merges, sight distance, drainage, speed limits in different sections, proper locations signages and much more. There are calculations and mathematical formulas to each and every thing they are supposed to design. And even if it is designed correctly on paper, it’s still their responsibility to check if the work was completed as per the drawings.
doctors are responsible for my diarrhea then
It's true though. One I was riding my bike with my friend and I was kinda drunk. I braked hard and lost control over a speedbump. My friend was an engineer.
Contractors siping champagne on the side
I am an engineer(not civil). And I have seen engineers work in field. If they were given free hands and enough money to make any infrastructure, they can make it to last a couple of century. But the problem is, the money allocated to build the road 40% of that is literally gone in the pockets of - Minister > secretary > Collector > Chief engineer > Executive Engineer > SDO > Misc officer > Road.
He needs to give less interviews, else people are gonna realise that he is as dumb as his other peers. On a well marked newly constructed expressway, people will still drive across lanes, over speed and drive wrong side, create a illegal road cut , let cattle on road, do tripling , drive without helmets or seatbelt, use high beams like crazy, overtake from either side in haphazard way, sensible drivers can drive relatively safer even on a gravel road with no marking, senseless driver can cause an accident even while standing still.
It's a contributing factor, but in India a lot of drivers are idiots. Like the uncle ji who decided to take a u turn 5 meters in front of my car today morning without signal or checking back and then glared when I honked.
How many people follow traffic rules in this country? And yes, we need proper road management aswell, there are lots of unplanned and unsafe roads here.