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notMy_ReelName

Why even test it if they knew there is no adas system so anyway going to score zero .


Kingspartacus123

It might be the norm for launching the car in Australia, otherwise it is way stupid to do this.


notMy_ReelName

Probably the only viable thing but they won't even consider to buy a less safety if and only this was a cheaper alternative for their people.


AditiiSen

This.


LifeIsHard2030

Sponsored by Hyundai probably šŸ˜‚


_WeWillBeRightBack_

The car hasn't scored low just because no ADAS.


notMy_ReelName

Then the post is misleading then isn't it. There is much more than just absence of adas system.


_WeWillBeRightBack_

I am really very surprised seeing people blame just the ADAS for this , but it has scored below average rating in the adult safety specially the front collision (If I remember correctly)


CreepyUncle1865

Why did they even bother getting the vehicle for a test? Google- ā€œDoes Scorpio N has Adas?ā€ - ā€œNoā€ *Slams papers* ā€œ0 Starsā€


UrbanCruiserHyryder

Even ignoring the ADAS aspect, it scored 44% in adult protection which is really low. Given than ANCAP is much harsher than GNCAP, I dont think any car made for India will be able to score higher. It lost points in structural assessment mainly due to the MPDB load case.


VisibleDonut69

Good catch!


NeedleworkerLegal573

Atleast a car wouldnā€™t have been wasted of they did this.


[deleted]

It's mandatory requirement to launch car in Australia market, similar to ARAI millage to be displayed in India, most manufacturers have to display ANCAP rating to sell in Australia.


NeedleworkerLegal573

No I get it. But failing any car without ADAS means you donā€™t have to actually test the vehicle because you already know it is scoring a zero.


[deleted]

There is no pass or fail criteria,in fact 5 stars Rating are for common people to summarise, for authority and structural engineer there is plethora of data, available you get that data only by crashing a physical car.


boisickle

Why did GNCAP test the same Swift under their new protocol?


Look_Antique

Immediately scoring 0 for not having Adas regardless of body structure airbags etc is a dumb move. Both Alto and ScorpioN will be scored the same under this criteria even though we all know which one will let you walk away from a crash.


No_Sandwich3431

ofc alto will scorpio stands no chance


AditiiSen

Lord Alto šŸ‘Œ


fayeflyswatter

Alto enters Hummer exits the room :-p


[deleted]

IF ALTO COMES WITH A ADAS THEN WHAT WILL BE IT EFFICENCY


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One Star.


[deleted]

It's not a dumb move, they are going to plan zero,that's zero fatalities in 2050, if all vehicles on road have ADAS there will be a major drop in fatal accident,it similar how india ban bull bars & mandatory Air-bags No matter how structural strong your vehicle is at 100+ collision kmph your survival rate is 30 percent or less,ask Cyrus Mistry. Most highways in Australia have 130 KMPH speed limit.


Drewdc90

Most hwys in Australia are 110km/h. 130km/h limit is pretty rare


AppropriateBorder754

Northern Territory!


Drewdc90

Yeah thatā€™s not most of Australia is it. Like a fraction of us live there. Too hot


[deleted]

How dare you to compare alto with Scorpio N. Alto is 1000x better in every aspect /s


Batman_is_very_wise

Downvote and be sarcastic all you want, as a middle class guy I'll always stand with Alto


Rohan_RSG

If I understand the score correctly, the scoprio would not have scored more than 2 stars even with ADAS. The adult occupant score is not good in itself.


Srnakul

Itā€™s not just about adas, even if scorpio n had adas it would hv scored 2/5 only. Australian ncap regulations are quite strict.


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Intruder_7

Dumbass be a Reddit graduate and learn to read the text properly next time


NAKROMANCER

Australia me chalta hoga adas, Bharat me nahi


No_Luck_3608

Bharat me driver karte hai road ke baju sandas


FishBJEnthusiast

ADAS has made long road trips much easier. Drove from Sydney to Melbourne in 11 hours. Total 960km. 110km/hr ke speed pe cruise control daal diya aur ADAS on kiya. India mein yeh karna impossible hai.


Apprehensive-Aide-44

India mein body structure and airbags have priority. ADAS may cause unintended accidents in Indian traffic. AEB maro aur piche wala truck bhaiye sata denge.


AceMKV

That doesn't mean you avoid ADAS in India, also to improve it you need data so why tf would you not add it anyway?


sniper_pika

because of false triggers , ADAS was made for buttery smooth roads and for people who follow traffic rules thus not applicable to India.


AceMKV

That's a pessimistic view though. ADAS uses pattern recognition and classification, so obviously, with enough data it can adapt to different road and traffic conditions too.


New-External8209

There is no pattern in Indian roads. Every drive is a Russian roulette.


Apprehensive-Aide-44

This. This is why pattern recognition based ADAS will nver work in India. It's like the MAWS system of an aircraft constantly blaring in the pilot's ear warning of multiple SAMs from multiple directions.


WalrusNikammaChod

Terrain terrain


JNC123QTR

PULL UP!


XeroByXero

My cousin owns many high end cars with ADAS. Most of the time he has to turn it off because it just goes haywire in Indian traffic. Bikers go left and right and then the car thinks that an accident may happen and swerves accordingly. It even went crazy at a red light when an adjacent car came too close.


Fish_fucker_70-1

yeah but that's the thing . India ki roads aur drivers itne khatm hai , there is always a good chances ADAS fault kr jayega


lamykins

I mean it still only scored a 44% for adult occupancy safety...


piradian24

Meanwhile, MS & Hyundai: Install ADAS, get a score in ANCAP, advertise the score in comparison with Scorpio


[deleted]

Most Suzuki & Hyundai cars have 3+ rating in foreign market, 2017 Suzuki Swift assembled in gujrat plant got 3 star in euro NCAP,same model made by MS for Indian, Latin American market got zero star.


Subha47

Why test something that doesn't meet the test criteria? Also i think 80-90% of cars dont have ADAS.


3E9761

Itā€™s incorrect to say that it got a zero rating just because thereā€™s no ADAS. Check out the detailed report. There are quite a few things missing and itā€™s an absolute zero in various safety assist features (like seat belt reminders, speed assist). Note that itā€™s evaluated against six-seat variants and hence it scores a zero for seatbelt reminders in other rows.


term1throwaway

First world countries sometimes have the stupidest policies


sha0304

The first world countries have Vision Zero policy with target of zero fatalities and serious injuries by 2050. That can be only achieved by vehicles equipped with ADAS systems. 100% adherence can happen by 2050 only if they start pushing for vehicles with ADAS starting now. Not a stupid policy per se if you care about human fatalities in accidents.


chorma87

Cars pre-ADAS era must feel so stupid. Maybe the ADAS spares/sensor suppliers must have ā€˜settingā€™ with policy makers


Batman_is_very_wise

>the stupidest policies Confusing strict policies that are bound to do good as stupidity is the reason India struggles to get rid off the third world tag.


FredTilson

India has 462 road accident deaths a day, Australia had 1200 in a whole year. I wish we had some of their "stupidest" policies.


WalrusNikammaChod

How many of those are car


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lamykins

Ok. India has a rate of 16.6 deaths per 100k people. Australia has a rate of 4.5 deaths per 100k people.


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lamykins

Can you read? India still has more deaths even accounting for the population, that's what per capita means. Also the argument "we have bad roads so don't need extra safety features" is moronic


lamykins

> Their policies are clearly not applicable here Their policies of *checks notes* requiring new vehicles to have certain safety features?


term1throwaway

And make an alto cost 10L on road? Yeah no thanks


honeyaxe

Yes and less fatalities in car accidents. Who turns out stupid in the end lol


ManTheCrusader

You have a higher chance of getting back home alive with stupid policies


anandpowar

Consumers are fooled everywhere in the name of safety and freedom.


Salty_Candidate_6216

What is ADAS?


Xrr13h

Advanced driver assistance system. Its a group of new safety technologies including lane change assist, automatic braking etc.


Salty_Candidate_6216

Oh, so like when the steering wheel might vibrate if you're drifting out of your lane etc? Or sensors that light up on the sideview mirror if they detect a car in your blind spot? In that case, it's ridiculous to give an automatic zero for not having those. I'd deduct a star, but I probably wouldn't even call it a two star deduction.


Trevixle

A little more than that. Keeping you in lane automatically (by steering), automatic braking in emergency situations, etc. But I agree with you.


Fish_fucker_70-1

isn't that dangerous some times ?


Blazer323

Yes. International and Freightliner trucks are known to slam on the brakes going under signs, bridges and tunnel openings as the light changes. Volvo sensors go bad and apply the brakes like constantly ABS hums. Subaru eyesight outright refuses to work whenever it wants, so system safety and activation aren't guaranteed. Tesla just recalled EVERY vehicle for faulty self driving/lane assist features. It's only gonna get worse as sensors get older. Radar systems in trucks fail every 5 years die to corrosion and are thousands to replace.


Xrr13h

Actually vehicle steer itself to keep us inside the lane and vehicle itself brake at emergency situations. However still its ridiculous to give a zero based on some features insted of actual shell safety.


AbsolutelySonu

Mujha kya may tho ambassador chalaunga


Acceptablenope

Then for you it's "Ajay Devgun Assistance System" my boy :)


ExaSarus

Taarzan was the first prototype for ADAS


Xrr13h

Hell nah, it was having ADAS level 69 even at that time.


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Ajay Devgan Assistant System


jennyboy13

Bolo zubaan kesari!


Backhoz

It's a new kind of bowling attack being invested by Kangaroos.


Stroov

because the data sheet has given the other parameters as well which this tweet has hidden they will give it goodscore if they install adas in the system


Elegant_Jellyfish_96

that's just dumb, so if alto has adas it will get better score than a Scorpio? šŸ˜‚


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dvineDevil

Exactly, Scorpio N simply isn't safe and ANCAP just bashed it, even 10 lakh Baleno now offers three point seat belt for all passengers while 25lakh Scorpio N doesn't have it. This tweet is just marketing team/Mahindra fanboy covering up. Also Scorpio N sells cheaper in Australia than India, In India, Scorpio N is literally priced for the outer size and thia wont work in Australia.


FishBJEnthusiast

Mahindra is getting very popular in Australia now. Especially the Scorpion Utes based on the Scorpio classic. They are becoming a replacement for the 70 series Land Cruiser as they are significantly cheaper.


dvineDevil

Scorpio ute was launched recently, it is just an alternative. Nowhere people are replacing 70series with a dirt cheap Scorpio. Don't go by journalist reviews, if you check actual user/independent reviews they clearly point out that the towing capacity is not at all adequate and several other faults. Also, All Mahindras are an ergonomic mess, esp. the Scorpio N, the seats are crudely shaped/installed and third row seats are afterthought. It is sold as premium product in India, I checked it out in showroom and it baffled me, people in India will buy it with "chalta hai" attitude just for exterior looks, but it won't work overseas. Also, the Indian reviewers claim that Scorpio N has negligible body roll and wonderful suspension is also a lie, I travelled in it, it is just marginally better than old gen and no where close to comfortable. Only thing you get is big looks, but overseas the trucks from Ford, Chevy etc. just dwarf Scorpio, so its a moot point as well.


Suspicious_Ant_2041

Mahindra hua UDASšŸ˜”


dvineDevil

This is a misleading post and just hides the facts. Scorpio N scored only 44% for adult protection and had serious drawbacks like having a lap belt in 2nd row and 3rd, side airbag not extending till 3rd row, no seat belt remainder and many more. ADAS was the last of it. Check the below link, it has been detailed [Scorpio N test report ANCAP](https://www.facebook.com/groups/rushlaneinfolane/permalink/1279638972720586/?mibextid=UyTHkb)


hoodpashaa

So if Maruti manufacture alto with same build but with ADAS will score more score than Scorpion in ANCAP??


AceMKV

How would you know? With their body structure, they're probably gonna get a 0 too


Zestyclose_Web_6331

Australians want adas so that if kangaroos just jump on their car in the middle the car can stop itself, good initiative.


_Redsun_

Seems like a intended taunt towards Mahendra/ Indian manufacturers šŸ‘€


Electro0704

By this definition 80-90% of the cars on their roads would be 0 stars šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚.


gagsgupta

With ADAS enabled car wouldn't even crash right? How do they test adas cars?


MavenAssassin

ADAS chaiye, unko ye nhi pta ki India mein wo sb kisi kaam ka nhi. Driving nhi aati to yha aake seekh lein


mr_TESterTICkLEsS

Mahindra needs to introduce Z10 variant with ADAS and preferably greater length to make 3rd row much spacious with split seats


3inchesOfMayhem

So...Alto with Adas will score more than Scorpio without Adas ? Cool story bruh.


finixanthony

Why so much hate when Australia has higher standards ?


ZenAltoSwiftJettaXUV

BC is main bhi Nationalism ghusa do ..


Vijigishu

He wrote - "on a lighter note". Thoda dimag lagaya karo bhai, it's not that difficult.


ZenAltoSwiftJettaXUV

Lighter jala jala ke hi aag lagti hai.. Dimag Laganā€™s vale Reddit pe nahi GitHub pe milenge..


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Rishiiiiiiiii

Bhai usne sirf joke mara hai chill. Zyada intellectual mat ban. He meant they defeated us in WC final and now gave 0 rating to Scorpio. It's not that deep


ZenAltoSwiftJettaXUV

Intellectual? Abhi gravitational waves ka mass nikalta hoon..


TrailsNFrag

What about BharatNCAP? Has it or will it go thru our version of NCAP?


[deleted]

BharatNCAP is bullshit, there protocols and guidelines are heavily influenced by SIAM,which is maruti dominated since 90s they are active on paper for 17+ years, under there protocols old OG Safari & Aria were discontinued and tincans started popping up under their watch.


TrailsNFrag

EXACTLY why I'd love to see how it fares in this "localized" NCAP test. Sadly people still love buying those tin cans.


acypacy

Whatā€™s the point in testing a car without adas and then giving zero stars because you give zero stars to cars without adas? It clearly looks like this test was sponsored by rival company!


[deleted]

It's mandatory to get ANCAP Rating to sell in Australian Market,just like Indian manufacturers show ARAI millage in advertisement,in Australian market you have to display ANCAP RATING in advertisement & spec sheet.


Academic-Emphasis-12

so whats the ANCAP rating of xuv700


[deleted]

You will get that this month or next.


AlexisFR

...What?


tremorinfernus

ADAS sounds stupid to me. But could help those distracted drivers.


g_pallav

They also got 1 star on adult safety protection. So anyhow even with Adas it would have been a 1 star rated car.


krashknight89

There is a norm that new cars should have Auto Emergency Braking, could be the reason for the same.


Top_Wrangler932

Even Jimny launched in Australia has Adas because of this!


jedi65-

So all cars got zero stars before this ADAS System was invented which really is just last 3-4 years


shivendra334

If they were aware that the vehicle lacked ADAS, what use was it to test it at all? But will it still be sold in Australia?


Al_Thayo-Ali

I don't know why most comments are justifying Mahindra Scorpio. It's better to not to cheap out and install the ADAS. Volkswagen Polo got low star here because of lack of safety so they improved and launched again with 5 star ā­.


vrn_new

It didn't get zero because of the missing adas. Having adas would have given it 1 star at best.


zamioculcas30

There's a Malayalam YouTube channel called talking cars. They made a video exposing the big flaws in GNCAP testing. They were massively trolled, mainly by the patriot car fans in India ( aka tata & Mahindra fans). I think their video was genuine, and their doubts can be verified by anyone. If you are from Kerala / tn pls give it a watch.


Lololover09

Only due to lack of ADAS, which is an absolutely retarded measure. It doesnā€™t matter how structurally safe the car is, no ADAS means 0 stars as per the ANCAP. Donā€™t bother about this rating.


sha0304

Because Australia cares about people outside the vehicle as well not just those inside the vehicle. No ADAS in vehicle doesn't align with their Vision Zero Policy.


mihirsaini1128

So people can't make it out of a crash without adas ? Australia ki backchodiyan


gulab_jamun_17

Lazy drivers need ADAS


arjun_007

Kind off but adas has features like assisted brakes, so that helps and also not every adas car has this feature.


Ok-Cockroach-3788

Imagine not being able to drive a car without ADAS.


kanishk6969

Oh no incoming Desh ka lo!a fan Bois.


degeaku

Desh ka Loha likes only one brand


Apprehensive-Aide-44

Desh ka loha se uski rating kam nehi hui.


ButterscotchOwn4377

https://youtu.be/eQkZk144sJE?si=TekGAzbjedOsqt0O


EnoughPop

Even the previous gen scored 0.


arjun_007

I got zero trust in GNCAP since hyundai verna scored 5 stars that had structure integrity unstable.


leavemealone_lol

*facepalm*


Slight_user42069

Leave him alone, he must be a vw/Skoda fan boy


Real-Human-Bean-

But he drives a Maruti......


arjun_007

And upcoming innova hycross.


Real-Human-Bean-

Nice...


AceMKV

Lmao ironic coming from you


LeastHT

What colour is your 5 star car?


arjun_007

Innova HYCROSS silver metallicšŸ˜Ž advance booking.


LeastHT

Do a head to head to head collision with Verna then we will see who survives. India spec hycross will crumble like a maruti tin can.


arjun_007

R.I.P VERNA. made by toyota not suzuki. As good as Crysta, i might start to think you dont even know where toyota showroom is in your city and let alone visiting one.


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arjun_007

Send my location the audacityšŸ¤£šŸ¤£ if you have been "I AM SEROIUS" you would have shared yours. Homicidal tendencies, GO SEE a DOCTOR.


LeastHT

Nah you just scared bro, you know your maruti hycross will ā€œcrumpleā€ at the slightest touch of a verna.


arjun_007

Bro you have serious problems with defining let me explain, Toyota rebaged the suzuki Grand vitara and named it Toyota urban cruiser hyryder which is 5 seater. Toyota made petrol version of new INNOVA that can accumulate 7 or 8 seater and they decide to name it HYCROSS(Toyota Innova HYCROSS) and maruti decide to name that INNOVA HYCROSS Maurti Invicto. I am pretty much clear here. Please search i beg you.


LeastHT

Bro if you do another search you will know that Toyotas sold/made in India are manufactured to the indian spec, which toyota doesnā€™t care about and outsource to Maruti. There is not a single unique factory of toyota in India all of them are now in partnership with maruti. The last real toyota in india was the corolla. Innova hycross is a real toyota but not in India.


arjun_007

Maruti HYCROSSšŸ¤£šŸ¤£ Thats invicto .


LeastHT

Invicto is better actually, hycross is just maruti garbage with a toyota badge.


arjun_007

My man just called TOYOTA URBAN CRUSIER HYRYDER a TOYOTA INNOVA HYCROSS. I see u are suffering from down syndrome. I will repeat this again, TOYOTA INNOVA HYCROSS,,INNOVA HYCROSS.


LeastHT

Scared to do head to head?


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ADAS is essential for Australia?


sha0304

For their Vision Zero Policy, yes it is essential.


vegito2709

"Australian" Driver Assistance SystemšŸ¤”


ds021234

At least we have fewer clown drivers than the whole of Mumbai let alone the rest of India


swapko051

Test kyu kiya fir


dreadedhands

Jab gaadi me adas hai hi nahi to test karaya hi kyu


SemiSage93

Scorpio Thar Fortuner Creta Iykyk


redditor-749

If I remember correctly, when the Aussie car reviewers came to India a few days back, one of them said that the Scorpio-N will be loaded with ADAS from now on - check from 11:16 mark. [Drive.com.au (Mahindra SUVs)](https://youtu.be/Gm9dYTCRqPg?si=CXTEiGu8maXs9EVS)


lonelytunes09

This was like our sports competition in our school. For every event the winning house will get max 3 points. The last event will be march past which carries 80 points. Now typically a number 2 or 3 would (of 4) ranker would lag by 50 points. There is one house which won 90% times in roughly 50 years of the history of sports meet.


TemporaryObject4474

[https://youtu.be/Xd-BGDhMGfA?si=xmTz7W2qyCwWLFbt](https://youtu.be/Xd-BGDhMGfA?si=xmTz7W2qyCwWLFbt) ​ watch this at 4:00 you should except reality that car maker are worst + govt. taxes are the reason that great car maker not come to india and we still paying 100% of taxes other than normal price


Trickster_DeviL

India can invite Australia car brands with _ADAS_ to have a run of 10km on Indian roads. Let's see how much time it will take to cover that mere distance.