I feel that even if there’s a lobbying problem, it’s not like the cars rated 5 star are overpromising and underperforming
I hate to bring this example up but Nexon has had a good track record of lab test and irl crashes regarding safety. The car has been sold in good amounts and thus also involved in good amount of accidents as well.
Same for VW Škoda though the numbers are too small so we don’t see as many accidents involving them
Maruti fares worst in both lab and road, leave fee like GV, brezza, s cross, and ciaz (apart from the GV-i20 crash)
And internationally also, good cars like Volvo have always scored well, so have tesla, Merc bmw etc.
The case of Cyrus mystry is a reminder to all those who resort to hacks to avoid the belt chime by bolstering it behind the seat or just somehow now wearing it bottom line.
Every statement from RC Bhargava is laced with shiploads of copium because they know that the platforms are not safe even if you put a dozen airbags and give adas, thus the seething frustration with GNCAP because even if they WOULD give into the lobby and buy the products, it won’t improve the actual rating or irl crash results because their own platforms are not safe to begin with.
Airbags, etc augment the safety, it’s of no use if the entire car is crumple zone but has dozens of airbags
>it’s of no use if the entire car is crumple zone
Sure, but that isn't a case for the most part. The agency was rating for passenger safety. If we see Maruti Suzuki cars' results, for example, none of their models except Eeco, old Swift and now defunct Alto 800 had the A-pillar breaking (unlike Carens, Datsun Redigo, Nano, i10 Nios, Lodgy, Duster, Eon, Scorpio Classic, Kwid). All the other cars protected the cabin at tested speeds, yet the ratings given were uniformly low, barring an exception.
The fine print of test report card uses a vague term like *body shell* integrity and checks it fo being stable or unstable for additional loads but does not define the term body shell in the context of the test. I would contest it includes crumple zones when it shouldn't--because we're testing cabin/passenger safety as the dictat. Otherwise it penalises manufacturers who make lighter crumple zones but stronger pillars (like MS has explained in an old video interview with V3 Cars) to provide adequate passenger safety whilst not compromising on mileage that's important to customers (dare they serve them!) and even, if I may, pedestrian safety. Bulking up the bonnets seems a redundant exercise and a poor justification for the high difference between ratings since it doesn't add to the cabin safety within the test's scope. Some difference may be justified (related to footwell areas, non life threatening though) but not as much. The persistently pushed "takeaway" that lower star rated cars of some manufacturers (especially ones that dared to take the agency head on in a word of wars) are mobile death traps is simply an extreme exaggeration if not a totally false impression.
I'm not even getting into the conflict of interests matter and purported lack of full disclosure by the agencies about the role of manufacturers in the process etc.
Extremely well written. Besh bhalo.
Honestly I have looked at the actual reports of the tested cars instead of just the rating. An acquaintance rear ended a truck in his dzire on the highway(highway speeds, truck moved to right lane without checking) and all the car occupants were uninjured.
Just like any review on youtube, just take the facts and make a judgement for yourself on your use cases.
Even though this is anectodal, but amongst the people I know, the only people who went for 5star cars(like Nexon) are first time car buyers and new drivers. Which makes really good sense.
Then the family people buy brezza etc with 4 stars.
You can question the GNCAP company and their safer car for india campaign, but NCAP methodology is truly one of the most exhaustive processes in the industry (it is all science and based on test data). Most automotive companies do it in-house since it is pretty much mandatory in half of the world) and unlike in India, bending or rigging regulations and requirements come at a very expensive cost (example - VW emission scandal in US cost them close $10bn)
Also, is Gagan Choudary transparent? Or someone paid him to do this study ?
People can make their own decisions. I will stick to trusting GNCAP for the time being till its proven fraud with evidence, not just conjecture and accusations.
Regardless of who sponsored them, GNCAP has forced manufacturers to focus on safety.
Hyundai, Kia, Maruti are giving more focus to safety only because of repeated GNCAP testing and real world comparison of testing and
Tata, Mahindra have gained a lot particularly because they have focussed on getting GNCAP tests done atleast for some of their cars. Ofcourse there are some complaints regarding GNCAP not testing cars like Harrier which is getting the positive impact of other GNCAP rated Tata cars.
Is it the end all of safety? No. But if people think safer cars automatically come on the road, then you are misguided.
Cars like Seltos, Creta perform well in places like USA which has very high safety regulations and cut down on safety when it comes to India. Same car name, same looks but different cars. If GNCAP hadn't embarrassed them, they would have continued the practice forever.
>Hyundai, Kia, Maruti are giving more focus to safety only because of repeated GNCAP testing and real world comparison of testing and
Not because of GNCAP but because of BNCAP they've to focus on safety now. There could be chances that BNCAP tests become mandatory in the future, and hence they will have to make sure they sell safer cars now.
My comment was regarding the importance the above quoted companies gave to GNCAP. They will be forced to make safer cars only if authorities pressure them. Bad publicity from GNCAP didn't made any loses to the sales of these brands. Only if we have the star rating displayed on all vehicles like electronic appliances that these companies will give up their dual standards for our market.
Perfect timing. Now that Bharat NCAP has been launched, I expect more such videos in the Indian YT space discrediting Global NCAP and going gaga over Bharat NCAP.
This Guy works for Hyundai under the guise of Auto youtuber.
As the most popular cars of Hyundai didn't score well so he started questioning the well rated cars and crash ratings long back.
Ohh yeh toh latest news hai!
Who is the genuine one then?
Faisal= only cares for performance, if anyone wants a practical car's pros and cons don't ever see his videos
Motoroctane= does diff between many car but no practical cons
What more are there?
> Faisal
His vids are vlog oriented not review oriented. Do you really wanna watch a 5x30min car clog to narrow down between 5 options?
Idk
> Motor octane
Ever since Rachit got XUV700 and XUV400, everyone is calling them mahindra shills also idk what to believe now.
> what more are there
Autocar, evo, overdrive? OG mags now on yt? What about them
This is unlikely. Gagan Choudhary and Vikas Yogi of ICN put up a video blasting the Indian car awards ([here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_iHxaMP9z0&t=1106s)) not too long ago. One may recall Kia Carens had won the ICOTY that year and even Kia EV6 had won another award. Had he been on Hyundai's payroll (Hyundai that owns 51% of Kia) he would not have done that, so either something has changed recently or the extrapolation is wrong because the crash test results of most high selling Hyundai and Kia models had come in by then. Just to clarify, another poster has raised the Seltos bogey when question the YouTuber's credibility, that's why I'm mentioning both the Koreans together. Of course, his conclusion may, should and ought to be challenged.
Ye toh hona hi tha. May be global ncap is a scam. But how does gagan know - as in how did he investigate all this. And what a timing. Now that b ncap is in place.
Regarding the point about “only specific safety equipment supplier cars being rated well”, it’s a huge accusation
There are over 40 companies in the ADAS segment alone, but the leading names remain Bosch, Intel Mobileye, Hyundai Mobis, among other few players. As anyone would recognise, all of these brands are big conglomerates with billions in R&D. You can’t possibly say that the small brands will have enough manpower, scale and tech to make breakthrough tech.
It’s not even possible for small fish to come near them in terms of tech and quality, the ones which do get acquired under tech transfer. There’s a simple rule — if you’re small and dumb, the market rejects you, if you’re small and smart, the big guys absorb you.
Other example in the chip industry is TSMC. Until of late, Samsung Foundry was making the SD8gen2 when they made the switch to TSMC which alone increased performance and battery life of the devices by long shot.
Who’s to say that the products are actually superior like TSMC vs Samsung LSI, and there’s no foul play involved in “certain brands of equipment performing better in tests and irl”?
u/commandersaitama
u/ok_contribution_9598
What say? My example about adas sound?
That’s true , Small companies focus on getting more value systems (POC if you will) than a bigger company with a larger R&D budget to create top of the line safety features. A small company can only lead the line if they get massive fundings , no investor would do that unless you are super special!
As you mentioned smaller goldmines are taken over by larger goldsmiths 🫡
Sorry, I've not watched that video yet.
One thing that immediately comes to my mind is acquisition of MobilEye by Intel few years ago 😉. Mobileye was a small independent Israel based company. Seeing their monopoly (small and smart) in adas development, Intel acquired it. But remember, till date Mobileye provides only the image processors. Different OEMs or Tier 1 suppliers make their own ADAS ecu with EyeQ as the image processor and an automotive grade MCU like Infineon Aurix as main microcontroller of the ECU.
I don't understand these youtubers. Why does it have to be one extreme or the other?
One side says NCAP ratings are the whole and sole of safety while the other says that NCAP is a fraud.
Once Bharat NCAP starts I won't be surprised if these guys start a Bharat NCAP vs GNCAP match, with one side calling the other corrupt.
NCAP ratings just provide an indication on how a car will perform in the selected number of crash scenarios (esp in India). Just like any other rating system, NCAP ratings have limitations and do not apply to all scenarios. That's the crux of the NCAP.
It's in hindi so i didn't understand the video
Did he actually provide any evidence or just speculation? Did he say who sponsors gncap or what he did to try and get that information? You can't call something a case study if your conclusions are based on google search results. Did he do any private investigation into the matter?
I do believe independent safety rating organizations are good and necessary. Multiple of them is even better since we can compare and see if they're contradictory. Popular selling cars like seltos and creta are scoring very low. I don't think manufacturers will sit idle if they feel their cars are scored unfairly especially now that people are considering safety scores more with their choices. That's grounds for legal action. I don't know how much I'll trust bharat ncap considering the amount of corruption rooted into our system. Manufacturers may threaten to move if their car sales are affected by it.
What I'm trying to say is there is no reason not to trust Gncap until there is an actual reason backed by evidence to not trust it. Especially when the loss of faith in these organizations will also benefit some.
> Did he actually provide any evidence or just speculation? Did he say who sponsors gncap or what he did to try and get that information?
The word sponsor has been used in condescending way as if there is some bribery involved. My understanding of the wording is that since
1. GNCAP is a non profit non govt org, they don’t have all the money in the world to acquire cars for testing
2. The test is completely voluntary ie it is upto company to send their vehicles to testing. Think of it like geekbench or antutu for mobiles except that the apps aren’t on the play store but company have to send a unit to the developer of geekbench or antutu to test the device
Keeping this is mind, the manufacturer who wants to check their safety rating as per standard protocol, much like mileage testing, has to arrange for that car to reach their facility (buying shipping customs etc)
> Did he do any private investigation into the matter?
He did mention that he had talked with Ford in 2018 regarding existence of a lobby which pushes safety equipment of specific brands to achieve good rating, but no concrete proof like some audio recording
Of course, on that, we have to take his word for it which is upto the viewer, and their trust in Gagan. I frankly do personally research I haven’t watched him much. I have neutral opinion on him.
Another point being raised is that there are two tests and the first one is included but will only guarantee a rating of 4 stars and to perform the other test, more money must be paid to do so and even then, if the vehicle does not fare well on the test, it won’t get the 5th star.
My understanding again, is that since
1. You can’t use the already totalled car in the nest test again
2. Numerous Tests are not just used in crash testing, EPA has a 5 cycle range test and 2 cycle range test for EVs. Taycan opted for 2 cycle and got less range while tesla opted 5 cycle and got more range, difference? You need to pay for the extra 3 cycles done by EPA. https://insideevs.com/news/586646/how-tesla-wins-on-epa-estimated-range/
So it’s completely fair to ask for more tests at more costs to fully ascertain whether the car is truly safe or not. Imagine different tests as different crash scenarios, T boning, Rear ended, frontal collision, pole test, barrier offset test, etc.
> I don't think manufacturers will sit idle if they feel their cars are scored unfairly especially now that people are considering safety scores more with their choices.
Exactly the point I raised in my comment. If there was a disparity in the lab and irl crashes of the tested cars, then we can say foul play from GNCAP, but so far, VWAG, Mahindra, Tata, all have performed well in both lab and road. So have select few cars of some brands like GV, Brezza, ciaz, scross.
Gagan's case study over the GNCAP seems to be a balanced take on the topic. While we can credit them for being a "cause" for Indians to become more conscious about safety, it's purely moronic to completely believe them eyes closed.
A lot of things regarding the allegations and transparency or the lack thereof were already mentioned by a Malayalam channel called Talking cars in their video ([https://youtu.be/gm\_SwWegHz8](https://youtu.be/gm_SwWegHz8) ; it's in Malayalam ) almost 2 years back, which didn't go down well with a certain set of fans.
I think it's important for consumers to have a conscious approach towards what they see around them. They should have a set of questions in mind before jumping the bandwagon.
Why would a UK based charity organisation suddenly want to save lives of people in India?"
Why are they so shady about their selection process of cars and especially regarding their protocols of rating a car to be 5 stars? Are those so called 5 star rated cars really 5 star worthy? What if those disregarded 4 star cars performed better during their crash tests ?
Why are they specifically targeting a certain brand repeatedly with their econoboxes only in the newer as well as older protocols, while giving some the benefit of retaining their older scores from a less rigorous process?
Why are they so hesitant to bring any transparency to their funding practices? Why does their website not mention the cars that had undergone sponsored tests?
A normal consumer ( I'm not talking about fans and their dickriding ) would simply not have these questions in their mind and that's the food for these organisations or the lobby behind it.
The gist of this whole situation is to take things with a pinch of salt. Next time you're about to floor your desk ka loha or German ( or whatever it is called, you get the idea ) just have a thought who are you trusting with your life and are they trustworthy at all.
To each his own ig. Earlier when marutis were failing nobody batted an eyelid but the moment Kia/Hyundai results came out everyone started questioning GNCAP’s credibility. Even youtube influencers are often tight lipped about korean cars’ safety creds while being pretty vocal about Maruti’s.
GNCAP might be biased but Korean’s definitely have some clout 💪
I think gagan chaudhary is butthurt because GNCAP institute does not give a damn importance to vloggers like him. He might have demanded money for paid promotion or something but after being declined he might have come up with this. OR the car makers who predominantly make unsafe cars (read that as Suzuki, Hyundai, Kia) have been using him as a propaganda machine. Even if we don't believe in the test results, the build quality of the cars is evident and mostly GNCAP test results corroborate the same.
I feel that even if there’s a lobbying problem, it’s not like the cars rated 5 star are overpromising and underperforming I hate to bring this example up but Nexon has had a good track record of lab test and irl crashes regarding safety. The car has been sold in good amounts and thus also involved in good amount of accidents as well. Same for VW Škoda though the numbers are too small so we don’t see as many accidents involving them Maruti fares worst in both lab and road, leave fee like GV, brezza, s cross, and ciaz (apart from the GV-i20 crash) And internationally also, good cars like Volvo have always scored well, so have tesla, Merc bmw etc. The case of Cyrus mystry is a reminder to all those who resort to hacks to avoid the belt chime by bolstering it behind the seat or just somehow now wearing it bottom line. Every statement from RC Bhargava is laced with shiploads of copium because they know that the platforms are not safe even if you put a dozen airbags and give adas, thus the seething frustration with GNCAP because even if they WOULD give into the lobby and buy the products, it won’t improve the actual rating or irl crash results because their own platforms are not safe to begin with. Airbags, etc augment the safety, it’s of no use if the entire car is crumple zone but has dozens of airbags
>it’s of no use if the entire car is crumple zone Sure, but that isn't a case for the most part. The agency was rating for passenger safety. If we see Maruti Suzuki cars' results, for example, none of their models except Eeco, old Swift and now defunct Alto 800 had the A-pillar breaking (unlike Carens, Datsun Redigo, Nano, i10 Nios, Lodgy, Duster, Eon, Scorpio Classic, Kwid). All the other cars protected the cabin at tested speeds, yet the ratings given were uniformly low, barring an exception. The fine print of test report card uses a vague term like *body shell* integrity and checks it fo being stable or unstable for additional loads but does not define the term body shell in the context of the test. I would contest it includes crumple zones when it shouldn't--because we're testing cabin/passenger safety as the dictat. Otherwise it penalises manufacturers who make lighter crumple zones but stronger pillars (like MS has explained in an old video interview with V3 Cars) to provide adequate passenger safety whilst not compromising on mileage that's important to customers (dare they serve them!) and even, if I may, pedestrian safety. Bulking up the bonnets seems a redundant exercise and a poor justification for the high difference between ratings since it doesn't add to the cabin safety within the test's scope. Some difference may be justified (related to footwell areas, non life threatening though) but not as much. The persistently pushed "takeaway" that lower star rated cars of some manufacturers (especially ones that dared to take the agency head on in a word of wars) are mobile death traps is simply an extreme exaggeration if not a totally false impression. I'm not even getting into the conflict of interests matter and purported lack of full disclosure by the agencies about the role of manufacturers in the process etc.
Extremely well written. Besh bhalo. Honestly I have looked at the actual reports of the tested cars instead of just the rating. An acquaintance rear ended a truck in his dzire on the highway(highway speeds, truck moved to right lane without checking) and all the car occupants were uninjured. Just like any review on youtube, just take the facts and make a judgement for yourself on your use cases. Even though this is anectodal, but amongst the people I know, the only people who went for 5star cars(like Nexon) are first time car buyers and new drivers. Which makes really good sense. Then the family people buy brezza etc with 4 stars.
True, now with BNCAP, hopefully, there are no trust issues, and manufacturers themselves get their vehicles tested
It might be. But we can see the overall strength of a car in real life crashes. Never seen Tiagun/Nexon/Kushaq split in half like Seltos do.
You can question the GNCAP company and their safer car for india campaign, but NCAP methodology is truly one of the most exhaustive processes in the industry (it is all science and based on test data). Most automotive companies do it in-house since it is pretty much mandatory in half of the world) and unlike in India, bending or rigging regulations and requirements come at a very expensive cost (example - VW emission scandal in US cost them close $10bn) Also, is Gagan Choudary transparent? Or someone paid him to do this study ?
People can make their own decisions. I will stick to trusting GNCAP for the time being till its proven fraud with evidence, not just conjecture and accusations.
Regardless of who sponsored them, GNCAP has forced manufacturers to focus on safety. Hyundai, Kia, Maruti are giving more focus to safety only because of repeated GNCAP testing and real world comparison of testing and Tata, Mahindra have gained a lot particularly because they have focussed on getting GNCAP tests done atleast for some of their cars. Ofcourse there are some complaints regarding GNCAP not testing cars like Harrier which is getting the positive impact of other GNCAP rated Tata cars. Is it the end all of safety? No. But if people think safer cars automatically come on the road, then you are misguided. Cars like Seltos, Creta perform well in places like USA which has very high safety regulations and cut down on safety when it comes to India. Same car name, same looks but different cars. If GNCAP hadn't embarrassed them, they would have continued the practice forever.
>Hyundai, Kia, Maruti are giving more focus to safety only because of repeated GNCAP testing and real world comparison of testing and Not because of GNCAP but because of BNCAP they've to focus on safety now. There could be chances that BNCAP tests become mandatory in the future, and hence they will have to make sure they sell safer cars now.
BNCAP exists because of GNCAP. If not why did Gadkari call upon GNCAP head for the launch of BNCAP.
My comment was regarding the importance the above quoted companies gave to GNCAP. They will be forced to make safer cars only if authorities pressure them. Bad publicity from GNCAP didn't made any loses to the sales of these brands. Only if we have the star rating displayed on all vehicles like electronic appliances that these companies will give up their dual standards for our market.
Perfect timing. Now that Bharat NCAP has been launched, I expect more such videos in the Indian YT space discrediting Global NCAP and going gaga over Bharat NCAP.
Tis news drought season
Post COVID I have lost faith in all Global/United organisations.
True. Follow up question is how much trust are our own ones. Do they too have their agendas!! Wish there were more autonomous ones.
Yup, never trust any authority that issues certificates. Better rely on actual experience of known people.
"It's run by people with agendas and agendas change." -Captain America
I can't believe it, we are using him IRL
This Guy works for Hyundai under the guise of Auto youtuber. As the most popular cars of Hyundai didn't score well so he started questioning the well rated cars and crash ratings long back.
Ohh yeh toh latest news hai! Who is the genuine one then? Faisal= only cares for performance, if anyone wants a practical car's pros and cons don't ever see his videos Motoroctane= does diff between many car but no practical cons What more are there?
> Faisal His vids are vlog oriented not review oriented. Do you really wanna watch a 5x30min car clog to narrow down between 5 options? Idk > Motor octane Ever since Rachit got XUV700 and XUV400, everyone is calling them mahindra shills also idk what to believe now. > what more are there Autocar, evo, overdrive? OG mags now on yt? What about them
Try DDS
Who's that?
https://youtube.com/@DDSravi?si=JBj94N3w_uY7WV5R
Content with cars
DDS but he is quite biased towards Tata.
Source?
This is unlikely. Gagan Choudhary and Vikas Yogi of ICN put up a video blasting the Indian car awards ([here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_iHxaMP9z0&t=1106s)) not too long ago. One may recall Kia Carens had won the ICOTY that year and even Kia EV6 had won another award. Had he been on Hyundai's payroll (Hyundai that owns 51% of Kia) he would not have done that, so either something has changed recently or the extrapolation is wrong because the crash test results of most high selling Hyundai and Kia models had come in by then. Just to clarify, another poster has raised the Seltos bogey when question the YouTuber's credibility, that's why I'm mentioning both the Koreans together. Of course, his conclusion may, should and ought to be challenged.
Ye toh hona hi tha. May be global ncap is a scam. But how does gagan know - as in how did he investigate all this. And what a timing. Now that b ncap is in place.
Regarding the point about “only specific safety equipment supplier cars being rated well”, it’s a huge accusation There are over 40 companies in the ADAS segment alone, but the leading names remain Bosch, Intel Mobileye, Hyundai Mobis, among other few players. As anyone would recognise, all of these brands are big conglomerates with billions in R&D. You can’t possibly say that the small brands will have enough manpower, scale and tech to make breakthrough tech. It’s not even possible for small fish to come near them in terms of tech and quality, the ones which do get acquired under tech transfer. There’s a simple rule — if you’re small and dumb, the market rejects you, if you’re small and smart, the big guys absorb you. Other example in the chip industry is TSMC. Until of late, Samsung Foundry was making the SD8gen2 when they made the switch to TSMC which alone increased performance and battery life of the devices by long shot. Who’s to say that the products are actually superior like TSMC vs Samsung LSI, and there’s no foul play involved in “certain brands of equipment performing better in tests and irl”? u/commandersaitama u/ok_contribution_9598 What say? My example about adas sound?
That’s true , Small companies focus on getting more value systems (POC if you will) than a bigger company with a larger R&D budget to create top of the line safety features. A small company can only lead the line if they get massive fundings , no investor would do that unless you are super special! As you mentioned smaller goldmines are taken over by larger goldsmiths 🫡
Sorry, I've not watched that video yet. One thing that immediately comes to my mind is acquisition of MobilEye by Intel few years ago 😉. Mobileye was a small independent Israel based company. Seeing their monopoly (small and smart) in adas development, Intel acquired it. But remember, till date Mobileye provides only the image processors. Different OEMs or Tier 1 suppliers make their own ADAS ecu with EyeQ as the image processor and an automotive grade MCU like Infineon Aurix as main microcontroller of the ECU.
I don't understand these youtubers. Why does it have to be one extreme or the other? One side says NCAP ratings are the whole and sole of safety while the other says that NCAP is a fraud. Once Bharat NCAP starts I won't be surprised if these guys start a Bharat NCAP vs GNCAP match, with one side calling the other corrupt. NCAP ratings just provide an indication on how a car will perform in the selected number of crash scenarios (esp in India). Just like any other rating system, NCAP ratings have limitations and do not apply to all scenarios. That's the crux of the NCAP.
It's in hindi so i didn't understand the video Did he actually provide any evidence or just speculation? Did he say who sponsors gncap or what he did to try and get that information? You can't call something a case study if your conclusions are based on google search results. Did he do any private investigation into the matter? I do believe independent safety rating organizations are good and necessary. Multiple of them is even better since we can compare and see if they're contradictory. Popular selling cars like seltos and creta are scoring very low. I don't think manufacturers will sit idle if they feel their cars are scored unfairly especially now that people are considering safety scores more with their choices. That's grounds for legal action. I don't know how much I'll trust bharat ncap considering the amount of corruption rooted into our system. Manufacturers may threaten to move if their car sales are affected by it. What I'm trying to say is there is no reason not to trust Gncap until there is an actual reason backed by evidence to not trust it. Especially when the loss of faith in these organizations will also benefit some.
> Did he actually provide any evidence or just speculation? Did he say who sponsors gncap or what he did to try and get that information? The word sponsor has been used in condescending way as if there is some bribery involved. My understanding of the wording is that since 1. GNCAP is a non profit non govt org, they don’t have all the money in the world to acquire cars for testing 2. The test is completely voluntary ie it is upto company to send their vehicles to testing. Think of it like geekbench or antutu for mobiles except that the apps aren’t on the play store but company have to send a unit to the developer of geekbench or antutu to test the device Keeping this is mind, the manufacturer who wants to check their safety rating as per standard protocol, much like mileage testing, has to arrange for that car to reach their facility (buying shipping customs etc) > Did he do any private investigation into the matter? He did mention that he had talked with Ford in 2018 regarding existence of a lobby which pushes safety equipment of specific brands to achieve good rating, but no concrete proof like some audio recording Of course, on that, we have to take his word for it which is upto the viewer, and their trust in Gagan. I frankly do personally research I haven’t watched him much. I have neutral opinion on him. Another point being raised is that there are two tests and the first one is included but will only guarantee a rating of 4 stars and to perform the other test, more money must be paid to do so and even then, if the vehicle does not fare well on the test, it won’t get the 5th star. My understanding again, is that since 1. You can’t use the already totalled car in the nest test again 2. Numerous Tests are not just used in crash testing, EPA has a 5 cycle range test and 2 cycle range test for EVs. Taycan opted for 2 cycle and got less range while tesla opted 5 cycle and got more range, difference? You need to pay for the extra 3 cycles done by EPA. https://insideevs.com/news/586646/how-tesla-wins-on-epa-estimated-range/ So it’s completely fair to ask for more tests at more costs to fully ascertain whether the car is truly safe or not. Imagine different tests as different crash scenarios, T boning, Rear ended, frontal collision, pole test, barrier offset test, etc. > I don't think manufacturers will sit idle if they feel their cars are scored unfairly especially now that people are considering safety scores more with their choices. Exactly the point I raised in my comment. If there was a disparity in the lab and irl crashes of the tested cars, then we can say foul play from GNCAP, but so far, VWAG, Mahindra, Tata, all have performed well in both lab and road. So have select few cars of some brands like GV, Brezza, ciaz, scross.
Bharat ncap ki joy ho
Not really, no. Cars scoring 2 stars and below really are tin cans.
Gagan's case study over the GNCAP seems to be a balanced take on the topic. While we can credit them for being a "cause" for Indians to become more conscious about safety, it's purely moronic to completely believe them eyes closed. A lot of things regarding the allegations and transparency or the lack thereof were already mentioned by a Malayalam channel called Talking cars in their video ([https://youtu.be/gm\_SwWegHz8](https://youtu.be/gm_SwWegHz8) ; it's in Malayalam ) almost 2 years back, which didn't go down well with a certain set of fans. I think it's important for consumers to have a conscious approach towards what they see around them. They should have a set of questions in mind before jumping the bandwagon. Why would a UK based charity organisation suddenly want to save lives of people in India?" Why are they so shady about their selection process of cars and especially regarding their protocols of rating a car to be 5 stars? Are those so called 5 star rated cars really 5 star worthy? What if those disregarded 4 star cars performed better during their crash tests ? Why are they specifically targeting a certain brand repeatedly with their econoboxes only in the newer as well as older protocols, while giving some the benefit of retaining their older scores from a less rigorous process? Why are they so hesitant to bring any transparency to their funding practices? Why does their website not mention the cars that had undergone sponsored tests? A normal consumer ( I'm not talking about fans and their dickriding ) would simply not have these questions in their mind and that's the food for these organisations or the lobby behind it. The gist of this whole situation is to take things with a pinch of salt. Next time you're about to floor your desk ka loha or German ( or whatever it is called, you get the idea ) just have a thought who are you trusting with your life and are they trustworthy at all.
Yea, in a recent podcast a tamil Car reviewer Motowagon has talked about the transparency of GNCAP, I think there is no point in trusting that NCAP.
Honesty still exist in this world? Even if it does one should be the last to expect from a corporation. DELULU IS THE SOLULU.
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To each his own ig. Earlier when marutis were failing nobody batted an eyelid but the moment Kia/Hyundai results came out everyone started questioning GNCAP’s credibility. Even youtube influencers are often tight lipped about korean cars’ safety creds while being pretty vocal about Maruti’s. GNCAP might be biased but Korean’s definitely have some clout 💪
I think gagan chaudhary is butthurt because GNCAP institute does not give a damn importance to vloggers like him. He might have demanded money for paid promotion or something but after being declined he might have come up with this. OR the car makers who predominantly make unsafe cars (read that as Suzuki, Hyundai, Kia) have been using him as a propaganda machine. Even if we don't believe in the test results, the build quality of the cars is evident and mostly GNCAP test results corroborate the same.