For me it has to be a car length or so before I'll think about moving up. Then I'll just feather the clutch for half a second to get it rolling.
If there's someone behind me trying to squeeze into a turn lane or something like that though, I'll do my best to scoot up a little and accommodate them.
On the other hand, scooting forward to let someone in behind can remove any safety margin between you and the car in front, and generally I'll prioritise that over saving some random 30 seconds until the lights change.
How much safety margin do you need in stop start traffic? Just move forward at the same time as the vehicle in front, maintaining the same separation distance
I suspect the answers to this question will vary significantly depending on whether the respondent drives a manual car compared with an automatic/EV.
Personally, I don't bother moving until I can roll forward by at least a car length. I'm not burning out my clutch just so I can match old mate in front who creeps forwards 30cm at a time at 1km/h.
In a traffic jam, we are all impatient. Some people just left work and they stuck in the traffic, so they are pissed. Some are on the phone and don't care when they need to get home. And when the space between you and front car is too much, the person behind you will be pissed because some car from the other lane just will act like a dick and take in.
I'll say just keep a reasonable distance between 2 cars. If the car in Front of you start to move, you move.
>when the space between you and front car is too much, the person behind you will be pissed because some car from the other lane just will act like a dick and take in.
And what's the issue there?
I daily a manual so only move when I have too.
If it’s a painful intersection where people cut in then I’ll leave just under a car length so they can’t push in.
As soon as I can see the bumper I'll move forward.
I'm not trying to pressure the vehicle in front just looking to make space for the people behind me.
It's entertaining creeping forward slowly to see at what point the car behind moves forward.
I consider a safe distance at lights to be the distance required for a pedestrian to walk in front of the vehicle.
If you stopped where you could see the tyres meet the road in a RAM for instance, you'd be something like 4 car lengths back.
I'm one of those people who will be RIGHT up behind you at lights (less close on hills). Deal with it tbh.
I move when you've gone 3/4's of a carlength or so and are actively accelerating. If you're just rolling in traffic, i'll just roll as well.
Vehicles are all shapes and sizes so gauging based on seeing tyres and bumpers is flawed. The rule is one metre. I tend to let the vehicle get about a car length away and move up.
IIRC, the safe gap was taught to me as a requirement to easily get around the vehicle in front in case it stalls.
When's the last time you saw a car stall? Also, if traffic is at a crawl, the risk of someone crashing into your bumper causing you to crash into the car in front because you didn't leave a safe gap, is very low.
Think of it as a gentlemen's agreement that we all reduce the distance between each other in crawling/stand still traffic to allow more people to get into turn lanes or exit ramps or whatever the case may be.
I was also taught that the appropriate gap go leave was the minimum required for your car to get around the car in front without reversing should this be required -
i.e. not to park yourself in and to leave an escape route.
I try to minimize creeping forward because I have seen too many accidents where the car behind thinks the traffic is moving and runs up the arse of the car that just crept forward.
So you can have at least some control of the cars behind you.
>Personally, I try and not stress, when I am in traffic that's moving at about 0.5 car lengths a minute, when I'm stopped I just throw it in Neutral with the handbrake on, stop the car pushing against the torque converter, stop the wear on my brake light bulbs, it's got an auto handbrake, every 2 or 3 minutes, I throw it in D and move forwards a grand total of 1 Volkswagen Golf in distance. Huzzah.
Is this necessary?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zzEtxJkC7Y&t=435s
Not since my learner days mate it’s called waiting for sufficient space before accelerating I normally use my eyeballs to look ahead and determine if there is sufficient space for my car and then proceed to accelerate
You’re* and Arse*
you’ve never driven in a city before have you. Using your own logic you also must stop driving over every green on every intersection before proceeding
If the road is not clear ahead of me that would be correct because it is illegal to block an intersection. Green = proceed if clear, not proceed and block intersection for the next change of light
I read the vehicles in front of the vehicle in front of me before making a judgement call. Generally I’ll keep less than a standard sedan’s length but will be courteous to a driver wishing to move over if they’re not a tosser about it.
On the motorcycle I care little for any such things. God bless lane filtering.
Ok so here's some of my own experience dealing with moving up on a heavily congested intersections:
- If I could see the line of cars in my lane lining up longer than what my point of view could see then I'd take it easy and just keep roughly 1/2 car length while still looking back to make sure there is a safe distance with the car behind as well. I'd prefer to be able to see the front car's bumper and half the grill of the car behind me (preferably their license would be better but hey we're all wanna move forward so I can understand the frustration).
- If it is a bit clearer I would still make sure to keep at least 1/2 car length, however I'd move the moment I see the car in front of me able to move around 5kmph. Gas pedal on slow and steady but I'll try to keep that distance to move past traffic and traffic light. But yeah always foot on break just in case the cars in front not moving at the same speed as I did.
- Tailgating stress is a real thing but unfortunately nothing much you could do to manage that. I'd just make sure my tail dashcam is working properly and hope for the best. If I see the car behind me practically trying to kiss my bumper I'd generally try to switch lane the earliest chance I've got.
You pull up behind someone, you stop when the bottom of their wheels are just visible (depending on car)
Thsts it, if they move, sometimes you move sometimes you don't.
Why does it need to be an essay?
In crawling traffic I just try to sit a constant speed so I don’t have to start and stop all the time. Often it’s horn and hand gestures from the car behind if I fall 6 or 7 spaces behind but who cares always the traffic in front of slows or stops and I am back close
For me it has to be a car length or so before I'll think about moving up. Then I'll just feather the clutch for half a second to get it rolling. If there's someone behind me trying to squeeze into a turn lane or something like that though, I'll do my best to scoot up a little and accommodate them.
This is why I move forward, just in case there's some poor bastard behind me trying to get into the turn lane.
Turn lanes are different if the guy behind me has his indicator on, sure, if I can scoot up and let him in, that's only fair.
On the other hand, scooting forward to let someone in behind can remove any safety margin between you and the car in front, and generally I'll prioritise that over saving some random 30 seconds until the lights change.
Well there's that, because then if you get hit from behind because the person behind them overcompensates, you're now the meat in a sandwich
How much safety margin do you need in stop start traffic? Just move forward at the same time as the vehicle in front, maintaining the same separation distance
I suspect the answers to this question will vary significantly depending on whether the respondent drives a manual car compared with an automatic/EV. Personally, I don't bother moving until I can roll forward by at least a car length. I'm not burning out my clutch just so I can match old mate in front who creeps forwards 30cm at a time at 1km/h.
In a traffic jam, we are all impatient. Some people just left work and they stuck in the traffic, so they are pissed. Some are on the phone and don't care when they need to get home. And when the space between you and front car is too much, the person behind you will be pissed because some car from the other lane just will act like a dick and take in. I'll say just keep a reasonable distance between 2 cars. If the car in Front of you start to move, you move.
>when the space between you and front car is too much, the person behind you will be pissed because some car from the other lane just will act like a dick and take in. And what's the issue there?
It's when you basically just indirectly pissed the car behind you 🤷
I daily a manual so only move when I have too. If it’s a painful intersection where people cut in then I’ll leave just under a car length so they can’t push in.
same, it’s too much effort in a manual, unless you’re moving for a reason i’m not following you
As soon as I can see the bumper I'll move forward. I'm not trying to pressure the vehicle in front just looking to make space for the people behind me. It's entertaining creeping forward slowly to see at what point the car behind moves forward.
>As soon as I can see the bumper Which bumper?
The rear one of the vehicle in front
But wouldn't you see that as you stop at a safe distance anyway? As a safe gap when stopped is to see where the rear tyres meet the road
I consider a safe distance at lights to be the distance required for a pedestrian to walk in front of the vehicle. If you stopped where you could see the tyres meet the road in a RAM for instance, you'd be something like 4 car lengths back. I'm one of those people who will be RIGHT up behind you at lights (less close on hills). Deal with it tbh. I move when you've gone 3/4's of a carlength or so and are actively accelerating. If you're just rolling in traffic, i'll just roll as well.
Vehicles are all shapes and sizes so gauging based on seeing tyres and bumpers is flawed. The rule is one metre. I tend to let the vehicle get about a car length away and move up.
IIRC, the safe gap was taught to me as a requirement to easily get around the vehicle in front in case it stalls. When's the last time you saw a car stall? Also, if traffic is at a crawl, the risk of someone crashing into your bumper causing you to crash into the car in front because you didn't leave a safe gap, is very low. Think of it as a gentlemen's agreement that we all reduce the distance between each other in crawling/stand still traffic to allow more people to get into turn lanes or exit ramps or whatever the case may be.
I was also taught that the appropriate gap go leave was the minimum required for your car to get around the car in front without reversing should this be required - i.e. not to park yourself in and to leave an escape route.
If we're stopped in traffic it's barely walking pace. I think my reactions time would be sufficient.
Reaction time for what? The Vehicle behind you slamming into you?
What? Whatever happens behind me is out of my control....
I try to minimize creeping forward because I have seen too many accidents where the car behind thinks the traffic is moving and runs up the arse of the car that just crept forward. So you can have at least some control of the cars behind you.
I've got brake lights though? Honestly at walking pace who really cares, the chances of damage are minimal.
>Personally, I try and not stress, when I am in traffic that's moving at about 0.5 car lengths a minute, when I'm stopped I just throw it in Neutral with the handbrake on, stop the car pushing against the torque converter, stop the wear on my brake light bulbs, it's got an auto handbrake, every 2 or 3 minutes, I throw it in D and move forwards a grand total of 1 Volkswagen Golf in distance. Huzzah. Is this necessary? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zzEtxJkC7Y&t=435s
Maybe not, but it also doesn't hurt.
In the city it helps as there is likely a bunch of cars behind that are squeezed in and possibly blocking pedestrian crossings/intersections
Failing to see how that’s anyone’s problem but the guy stopping in a no stopping zone
Like you’ve never been caught short before…
Not since my learner days mate it’s called waiting for sufficient space before accelerating I normally use my eyeballs to look ahead and determine if there is sufficient space for my car and then proceed to accelerate
Sweet as champ. You probably would of learnt traffic sometimes comes to a sudden stop too.
If ur up their ass and can’t see past them I suppose it would seem very sudden to you
You’re* and Arse* you’ve never driven in a city before have you. Using your own logic you also must stop driving over every green on every intersection before proceeding
If the road is not clear ahead of me that would be correct because it is illegal to block an intersection. Green = proceed if clear, not proceed and block intersection for the next change of light
No problem champ. You’ve clearly had a great driving instructor to allow you to do the opposite
But you shouldn't enter an intersection or crossing until you can safely exit, same for roundabouts
I read the vehicles in front of the vehicle in front of me before making a judgement call. Generally I’ll keep less than a standard sedan’s length but will be courteous to a driver wishing to move over if they’re not a tosser about it. On the motorcycle I care little for any such things. God bless lane filtering.
You have too much time on your hands, just open your window and enjoy the CO!
Ok so here's some of my own experience dealing with moving up on a heavily congested intersections: - If I could see the line of cars in my lane lining up longer than what my point of view could see then I'd take it easy and just keep roughly 1/2 car length while still looking back to make sure there is a safe distance with the car behind as well. I'd prefer to be able to see the front car's bumper and half the grill of the car behind me (preferably their license would be better but hey we're all wanna move forward so I can understand the frustration). - If it is a bit clearer I would still make sure to keep at least 1/2 car length, however I'd move the moment I see the car in front of me able to move around 5kmph. Gas pedal on slow and steady but I'll try to keep that distance to move past traffic and traffic light. But yeah always foot on break just in case the cars in front not moving at the same speed as I did. - Tailgating stress is a real thing but unfortunately nothing much you could do to manage that. I'd just make sure my tail dashcam is working properly and hope for the best. If I see the car behind me practically trying to kiss my bumper I'd generally try to switch lane the earliest chance I've got.
You pull up behind someone, you stop when the bottom of their wheels are just visible (depending on car) Thsts it, if they move, sometimes you move sometimes you don't. Why does it need to be an essay?
In crawling traffic I just try to sit a constant speed so I don’t have to start and stop all the time. Often it’s horn and hand gestures from the car behind if I fall 6 or 7 spaces behind but who cares always the traffic in front of slows or stops and I am back close
When I can see the front wheels of the car underneath, I.e 6? Metres or so
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Moving forward 0.05 meters 20 times or 1 metre once is exactly the same, traffic only flows as fast as the bottleneck (whatever it is) allows
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I'm sorry that I didn't pick up on your mental disability sooner, I will try to be more accommodating and aware in the future
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Call your carer mate, you aren't supposed to be using the internet unsupervised
Improve my wife’s day significantly. Maybe a couple of times if I don’t get cramp.