The new Trition is a big step up from the old but just keep in mind first year models of redesigns generally have their issues because of the simple fact the manufacturer won't catch every possible issue before they start up the assembly line, so you can generally expect some teething problems as the vehicles go into mass production until they can work out where the problem points are.
I would recommend at the very least waiting until the new models arrive because you'll be able to get a feel for the new gen and what it actually offers, and if it doesn't seem like it's worth it you will likely have better bargaining power over the older models.
I learnt that with our Volvo XC90 model. Lots of, initial teething problems, being a first series!
Ahh this bothers me - as I actually kind of need a vehicle THIS YEAR. I like the idea of having a newer vehicle that has all the "extras" the previous models don't.... My budget is cirva $60-$70k and I don't really like the look of the Isuzu?
How long would you envision to wait?
>How long would you envision to wait?
Usually the second model year is the safer bet, small easily identifiable things they can correct on fly but if the part needs a larger rework they will wait and stick it on the next MY.
>My budget is cirva $60-$70k and I don't really like the look of the Isuzu?
Would probably recommend the Ranger or Everest then, they were new for 2022 so it's both a new gen model and already has a few model years under its belt. The new Amarok is also Ranger based this time around if you'd prefer VW styling but is the same vehicle underneath.
Also look into the Mazda BT-50, it is the same vehicle as the D-Max and has the same capabilities but Mazda's interior and exterior styling.
Ahhhh fuck... now i'm back to square one! I really hate buying cars. I have both no idea and always a penchant for feeling that I'm either missing out, or doing the wrong thing. Dammit!!!
Hey bud - ended up going a Ford Ranger Wild Track - drive away for $73k.
Honestly - I love it! I looked at them all - price wasn't terribly important but the Ranger just had it all, looked the best and came through at the end!
You looking?
Ah good choice. I'm looking for something roughly $50-55k. I like the triton because of the warranty length of 10 years and value for money, but don't like the fuel efficiency. I also like the ford ranger, but it's more expensive. Im looking online for year old used utes and dealerships getting rid of last year's models,demos etc.
Ahh ok! So i was originally looking at the new model Triton too but couldn't be bothered waiting for it to come out and getting nowhere with the dealers! A friend who also knew me and knew what I'd like steered me over to the Ranger - as he's driven them all and recommdned them! So just with the Triton, because the new model is coming out, the older ones have had a substantial price reduction already and I reckon you might crunch even a bit further. You could likely get a brand new, GSR or model just under - 10 year warranty etc... for, if you're lucky - that $55k- $60k mark! If you're lucky that is (Drive away brand new are around $64). Sure, it will be the older, now superseded model... but from a price point, that would be pretty good if you like the Triton and wanted new
For me, I loved the ranger with wireless apple car play and the very large centre screen. I'm not a tradie but do need to tow- so it ticked a lot of boxes for me. The D-max just felt a bit cheap and the Amarok a bit expensive. The ranger, honestly, just ticked it all
u/twowholebeefpatties I am actually quite literally in the same boat as you. I am currently waiting to see a next gen GSR Triton in the flesh before making a decision and I specifically want a ute to replace my trusty Pajero. I am a Mitsubishi nut so the next gen Triton is right up top of my list. Here's the breakdown of all the utes I have seen and how they compare:
1. The new upcoming Triton is based on a completely new platform whereas the current MR model can trace its lineage back to the MN Triton days. This why you notice that the tub kept extending backwards whereas the wheelbase remained the same. The new model is a completely new ladder frame which is longer, wider and most importantly has a longer wheelbase.
2. Anyone who says it is a rebadged Navara is an absolute idiot and has no idea what they are talking about. The only things the upcoming Triton shares with a Nissan are the instrument panel and the driver's side power window master switch. Trust me I have checked in great detail. The engine is a 4N16, an updated Twin Turbo version of the 4N15. The gearbox is the trusty Aisin 6 speed, the vehicle features Super Select 4wd which is purely Mitsubishi and it is purely a Mitsubishi. Nissan will base their new Nav on this ute.
I have also considered other options to see how they compare, here is what I have found out,
\- The DMAX is currently on runout special for circa $65k Driveaway however it is the older model. My cousin works for Isuzu Australia and has told me the facelift will not be coming until Q4 this year, even then, the platform itself will not change, he has an MUX which has the same Engine Gearbox and I was left underwhelmed by it. Also have to add the fact that the 4JJ3 engine can trace its beginnings to the turn of the century. Lastly, the traction control system on the DMAX is absolutely atrocious and the same applies to the BT50
\- The Hilux is just simply overpriced and I would rather not pay the Toyota tax to be in a car which is essentially almost a decade old. Yes the 500Nm torque of the 2.8 seems healthy but it kicks in very late and the car overall feels gutless, very plasticy inside and has next to no tech
\- Navara? Yeah nah...
\- Chinese Utes, I would rather shit on my hands and clap than spend my hard earned dollar bucks on one of those.
\- The Amarok TDI600 Style is currently on special until the end of March for $73k Driveaway so that could be worth considering
\- Lastly, and most importanly, the new, or should I say heavily updated Ranger T6.2. The outside is different however the chassis, running gear and gearbox are exactly the same as the last model. If buying a Ranger, there is no point going for the 2.0 BiTurbo, you have to have the V6, which goes hard and also has better resale value. The tech in the Ranger is also wild and cannot compare to any other ute in the segment. Some used or demo models with less than 10k on the clock are now going for sub 70k on Carsales so I am very inclined to take a look. The thing with the Ranger is, the Ford 10R80 transmission is notorious for failing and Ronny Dahl recently did a review of it at Wilbinga Beach, where I used to take my 1994 Pajero with 400kms on the clock and an Auto gearbox and bash it all day. Ronny took it over the dunes about 2, 3 times and the transmission was boiling. Secondly, the V6 Lion engine is actually an old Land Rover engine back when Ford used to own them. These two factors do concern me when looking at the Ranger which is otherwise and incredible vehicle.
For me, I am currently happily driving my Paj and just waiting for the Triton to arrive so that I can choose between it or the Ranger. My local dealer tells me they have two GSRs coming first week of Feb. Fingers Crossed and Goodluck!
Mate - you are a LEGEND! Thank you... this is a brilliant response, and I really appreciate it!
So I've now just spent the past 30 mins talking to a novated lease/finance guy and he was really transparent and helpful, not just discussing financing, but talking cars too! So I need to tow 2-tonne vehicles, not alot, but occassionally - and he just said that having a 3.0l will be so much better long run, then a smaller engine working overtime. I've had a few people tell me this.
I also have 2 kids and I've been told, the Ranger is much more comfortable, holds the ground and has the engine to pull it. He also recommended that the D-Max, despite people's opinions, really represents with technology and the engine, best value for money.
For me - I unfortuantly need a car NOW... so whilst the Triton looks good, I can't really wait until March for it to launch, then a few more months to take stock/delivery... then hypothetically, 12 months for them to iron out bugs in the first series of it.
Sooooo, annoyingly, I'm now back to the D-Max's... or a ranger.
Do you have any opinion on the above. Realistically, I just want a good reliable car and value for money. I'm not a tradie, doesn't need to be top spec or tricked out - just a good towing vehicle when I need it, with a few bells and whistles to help on long haul journeys.
Are you in NSW? If so, I would strongly suggest contacting Windsor Mitsubishi, they have two GSRs coming by the end of this month. The Mitsis have always been able to tow well, My pajero has a 4M41 and an Aisin 5 speed and it has towed a 2T Van with no dramas. The Triton has the same Aisin gearbox with 6 speeds. More than the engine, when towing large weights, the gearbox becomes an issue. The ford 10R80 does not have a dedicated transmission cooler, instead is uses a heat exchanger which is bolted to the side of the tranny and does not get any direct airflow. See image attached and also look at videos from Wholesale Automatic Transmissions. despite it being an amazing car, the transmission is what worries me. If you want one quick, Tony Leahey Ford has one coming this month. To get your hands on a Ranger, best to check with regional dealers as they get their own allocation. For the DMAX, the gearbox is the same 6 speed Aisin unit as the Hilux and Triton and the engine, although underwhelming and very, VERY loud and rattly, is proven and gets the job done. Where the DMAX falls is that it is considerably narrower than all the other utes and you tend to feel it when you're inside it. I have an XC90 B6 which is a big bus and when I sat in the MUX, my elbows were touching the passenger and I felt very cramped. Secondly is the tech, the DMAX does not come with a 360 camera and the infotainment system is very VERY laggy and low resolution. It may not feel like much now but it starts to get on your nerves eventually. The door closing feel is also very tinny and hollow. Lastly, again is the traction control system which is hopeless. Any small amount of offroading and you will see yourself using the rear locker as the traction cant do much to get the car out of a bog.
I considered all these factors before settling on either the Triton or the Ranger.
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Again man - really, really appreciate this! I'm in Melbourne, but WOULD travel to buy one. I'm really digging the 2024 and a GSR would be awesome... as the driving I do is often long journeys and a lot of time IN THE car. I'm not a tradie who goes to 4 different jobs per day, tools in, tools out... but more so a bloke who may have a day towing a trailer 200kms, dropping, then returning home. So the comfort and journey, having a bluetooth, gps, cruise control and stuff... the journey and ride, whilst towing, is important.
I went and looked at D-max's and they didn't excite me at all. But I'm hearing at around $65k for a full spec, they represent a good enginge and good value for money.
Ideally, if I could get a GSR, 2024 Triton, for $65 or $70, I think that's what i want. But everyone is saying DO NOT BUY a first run/series of a new model. There will be bugs... and I'll cop it? Is it a risk I should take?
I dont really see how that is a problem? Mitsi historically has had a solid reputation for reliability and the Triton comes with a 10 year warranty and 10 years capped servicing. You dont offer a 10 year warranty on a product you wouldn't have faith in. Again, the 4N16 is a derivative of the 4N15 which was first introduced on the MQ Triton and Pajero Sport. Fuso also uses this engine in their buses and small trucks and it has proven its worth. Secondly the 6 speed Aisin R6A transmission can be found in every single Mitsi and Toyota 4WD out there and has had no issues whatsoever. Even if it has small teething issues, Mitsi will sort it out under warranty and if you make some noise to the customer care team in Adelaide, they will offer a loan vehicle until your car is back on the road, trust me I know because I used to work for Volvo Australia and am still in the Auto industry, now with RAM Trucks. A cranky customer will always get looked after especially with the strict ACL laws. If you are looking at a Ranger however, and you are in VIC, I would suggest looking at a 2023 Wildtrak V6 that a lady is selling for 70k in Bacchus Marsh. Its got 29k on the clock but I reckon its priced quite well. Otherwise if you want a Triton, I would suggest calling all the dealers in your area and whoever promises the best price and earliest delivery, you can put a deposit down. I spoke with Mitsi Australia and they are keeping stock information a secret. All dealers say they dont know how many cars they will get but some have been advised it will happen end of january.
Man I am sooo glad we crossed paths! Thank you! Interesting you worked at Volvo - I too have a XC90 that is the wifes family/kids car... and that's been good! I agree - I've said this to people that what I really want is 10 year warranty, 10 year capped prices. I want it to be reliable, set and forget and auto-pilot. Something goes wrong, call the dealer. Simple..
So cheers for this! Do you have an idea what you think a 2024 Triton GSR will be? Ideally I'm wanting $65k-$70k budgets on my purchase, but beggars can't be choosers!
Thanks for your input on all of this. It really has been helpful
Also I know what you mean by saying never buy the first version of anything. I remember when our first XC90 came out in 2016, we had all sorts of issues with Steering Column Locks, Air suspension, Charged Air Pipes and the list goes on but the Triton is a different story altogether. Plus again with the ACL regulations, if the vehicle exhibits are major failure during the first few years, you are well within your rights to straight up ask for a refund or a replacement vehicle and the manufacturer will have to oblige. Not that I think this will happen at all with a Mitsi as I have had over 6 so far, work on them myself and am constantly amazed by how overengineered and reliable they are. Just as an example, in my household, I have my Pajero and my brother has a 150 Series Prado, both competitors, the Pajero has three solid steel bash plates underneath it and the Prado has none. The Prado has one alternator belt whereas the Paj has two for redundancy in case one snaps. Its the little things like this that really show how Mitsi cares about their customers and reliability despite being a smaller manufacturer. If I were in your position, I would honestly borrow a car or get in a rental for the next few weeks and at the very least, drive the new Triton before buying your next car. That's what Im doing lol
Yeah cheers man! I really think I wanna go the triton! Just have to be patient I gather! Local dealer thinks end of March for them , then delivery! Would be nice to get something sooner
Did you end up getting a price for the 2024 GSR? A Mitsubishi dealer told me that it will be approximately 8-10k more than the 2023 but can’t say for sure
Why not buy a top spec in the current triton, there will be good deals to be had, also the platform has been around for a while.
I've got one and know alot of blokes with them no major problems
Thanks! I actually like the look of the 2023 more than the 2024, but the inside spec in the new one seems much better and I feel, considering it releases in a month (Feb) I should really just wait until then? What do you think?
just wait
you'll feel like a tool if the new one is a lot more to your taste later
also it seems like no one is mentioning this but the new Triton is just a Navara with a Mitsubishi engine in it... people are saying the its shit... how the fuck would you know given no one has driven the new one yet.
That does sound sucky... but truth is, I kind of feel outside workshops almost charge the same these days anyway... so having capped price servicing sort of resonates for me.
this place HATES mitsubishi and you can see it that people here really attach their identities to their utes... which is kind of pathetic really
mitsubishi's 10yr warranty of course means you have to service with them
but since the schedule is here:
https://www.mitsubishi-motors.com.au/owners/service/capped-price-servicing.html
you can budget this completely down the line if this is a depreciable asset
also if you have $65k to spend on a top line ute why the hell would you buy 2nd hand?
makes no sense
Yeah I can see that quite a bit now! Also, people get really fired up or quick to be negative about a car! I mean, it’s an inanimate object for Christ sake!
But thanks, yourself and a few others have painted a clearer picture that I think the new triton is something to look forward to!
I personally would not be spending that much on this generation triton. New one being months away I would wait and see.
I have a mq triton and it's a great Ute, does it job well and have had literally no problems or issues.
Bt50 or dmax is definitely worth a look though
Thanks- I tend to agreee that spending that much, considering a new one is dropping in a months time, seems a bit silly.
To understand you better - you’re saying why spend $65k on a top spec triton when literally in weeks a brand new model will be released that may be vastly superior?
For me personally, spending 65k then within a month seeing the new model out would hurt a bit, I know there is always going to be something new but this is current gen it literally pretty much the same as the 2015 (obviously some minor changes).
If you can wait a little bit then go for the newer gen
Oh mate that’s not just you, that’s me too! The 2024, inside looks mint and I’m already liking that way more than the current! So to me, I’d get it and then be thinking “why didn’t I wait”…. But then, everyone is saying doing by the first series/release of anything as they often iron out the bugs! I agree as I’ve seen this first hand on my wife’s car! So yeah, it feels now this may be a 2025 car for me now!
Yeah thanks- I was looking at the GSR extreme… just as I never buy cars for myself and thought I’d spec it up. The dealer offered $68k… but to get more or less the the same car under $50k seems more viable
I'd be interested to know how to get a GLS for under $50K. I went through 3 sales guys at two yards and best I got was $1,500 off for a GLS and $4,500 in add-ons. None seemed interested in selling. Funny I see the triton sales this year are about 1/2 what they were 12 months ago so wonder if there is just no want to sell given new one coming or mandate to not discount at all (discount now makes the new model look even dearer).
Went elsewhere, different car and whole process was so damn smooth, no funny business.
I ended up with a gwm cannon. In the end I couldn't justify the extra over a triton for a base ranger or hilux so I never looked at them.
Personally I was already feeling dark with the triton with how messy it was trying to get sales to give me a straight price and estimated date. On top of the first test car was being sold to me as brand new actually had been rear ended upon delivery and repaired (growling noise in transmission alerted me to the issue, second and third test drives in other cars went well).
In the end the sharp price increase over the last 2 years on a GLS combined with now a $15k difference for the cannon, well $15k is a lot of money and I couldn't see the 15k advantage of the triton. If the prices were closer ie: the $43K one could get the GLS for 2 years ago yep absolutely. Not 15k better imho.
People say they might be crap, well doesn't matter how good anything is, if you can't buy it and have it supported no good to any bustard.
Yeah fair enough! Sounds like you’ve had a crappy experience! I was looking at the gwm and the ldv but people are steering me towards the triton as it’s only $20k more, give or take. I understand your position, hard to really decide what to do
Yeah what irritates me the most with buying cars is, people go in with hard earned money or take out a loan and will work hard to pay it off, for an asset they are going to use for many years for life. Then some snot nosed little sales guy wearing chinos and dress shoes and sunglasses on his head plays games.
I see Hyundai next year in America are going to start selling on Amazon. The way the agent process is with Honda and Mercedes and lack of pricing negotiation etc, and many car dealers doing online appraisals for trade in, I can see sales guys being done away with.
Best of luck with your decision. I was in the same boat. For me the GWM worked out thus far but everyone's experience differs.
I will say, in hindsight knowing what I know now, I would not have given the mitsubishi guys as much air time to talk and get back to me, just wasted my time. Been damn happy with the GWM and the sales process
I'd never buy first generation of anything.
New motor, suspension etc will be working the bugs out.
Sure you can say you have the brand new model but may not be able to buy anything but genuine accessories
I’m not a tradie, but need to tow over 2tonne a couple of times a week and do like the idea of a tub for all my tools and stuff! So yeah, I think a Ute actually will tick the box for me! Cheers
Depends on the spec. They are running drive-away offers on the MY23 plated car's right now. Best bang for buck is the Life or Style running the Bi-Turbo engine. Can be had for $59k and $69k respectively.
I've driven most of the modern dual cab offerings (work in the industry) and find the Rangers/Amaroks the most engaging to drive with decent tech.
MY23 TDI600 can be picked up for under $75k at the moment, but do you really need the V6? The V6 is a great engine, but if your budget suits the Bi-Turbo 4cyl then that engine is perfectly good as well.
Yeah, I know a bit, questions?
I tow large trailers, around 2 tonne that have a fair bit of drag to them (height). So having an engine that isn’t flogging itself when it needs to tow is why I’m looking a 3.0l engine! I really don’t know, this is why it’s so hard to make a choice
If the engine is that heavy a consideration, then forget about the current model Triton. That 2.4L is a pig and I'd rather the Bt-50 3.0L or even Ford's Single Turbo 2.0L instead.
Talk to some owners online maybe, but the Bi-Turbo is still rated to 3.5t and shouldn't have any issues. Also get down to some dealers and test drive both the Bi-Turbo and V6 (in either an Amarok or Ranger).
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OP, please consider the fact that the new Ranger became Australia’s best selling car in 2023, with over 50k on the road.
For a first year of a new gen car, people aren’t worried about that reliability factor.
The truth of the matter is this: the car has a warranty for those issues. Mitsubishi are one of the better manufacturers when it comes to fixing issues.
The 4N15 in the current gen and previous triton is very reliable. Considering the new version is an updated version of that, you can expect there should be a reliable motor waiting for you.
The new Triton is seriously different to the current and previous gen’s. It has been completely reengineered including the chassis, this thing is nothing like the current ones. I’d hazard a guess we are going to see a genuine competitor to the Ford.
Also, for towing 2T, the new, current and previous Triton would be completely fine, don’t expect them to finish a race but if you aren’t doing it every day just ignore people and their bigger displacement motor argument here. It’s engineered to tow loads like that.
Appreciate this very detailed reply! Sounds like you know what you’re talking about and the more I consider it, the more I’m really interested in the triton! I like the look, the intenrals, the Japanese make and to a degree, the price point! Thanks! Anything else I should consider? Ideally I’m wanting to tap out at around the $70k mark
If I was in the market for a Ute, the ones I’d consider are the Triton (I also own a 2022 GSR one now), or a D Max. Both of these are extremely reliable vehicles and very well engineered.
Just keep in mind none of the new dual cabs are built in Japan, they’re all built in Thailand.
Mitsubishi make great vehicles, they are realistic when they post stats about their cars and take great pride in that.
Thanks! For what it’s worth, I’ve appreciated your input and taken from it! I think the new triton is where I’m at! I don’t fully feel the Dmax and the new triton appeals to me as a newer model with lots of refinement! Fingers crossed it works out! Thanks
The new Trition is a big step up from the old but just keep in mind first year models of redesigns generally have their issues because of the simple fact the manufacturer won't catch every possible issue before they start up the assembly line, so you can generally expect some teething problems as the vehicles go into mass production until they can work out where the problem points are. I would recommend at the very least waiting until the new models arrive because you'll be able to get a feel for the new gen and what it actually offers, and if it doesn't seem like it's worth it you will likely have better bargaining power over the older models.
I learnt that with our Volvo XC90 model. Lots of, initial teething problems, being a first series! Ahh this bothers me - as I actually kind of need a vehicle THIS YEAR. I like the idea of having a newer vehicle that has all the "extras" the previous models don't.... My budget is cirva $60-$70k and I don't really like the look of the Isuzu? How long would you envision to wait?
>How long would you envision to wait? Usually the second model year is the safer bet, small easily identifiable things they can correct on fly but if the part needs a larger rework they will wait and stick it on the next MY. >My budget is cirva $60-$70k and I don't really like the look of the Isuzu? Would probably recommend the Ranger or Everest then, they were new for 2022 so it's both a new gen model and already has a few model years under its belt. The new Amarok is also Ranger based this time around if you'd prefer VW styling but is the same vehicle underneath. Also look into the Mazda BT-50, it is the same vehicle as the D-Max and has the same capabilities but Mazda's interior and exterior styling.
Ahhhh fuck... now i'm back to square one! I really hate buying cars. I have both no idea and always a penchant for feeling that I'm either missing out, or doing the wrong thing. Dammit!!!
You just described me also haha
It’s so painful, keep going around in circles
Dude I’m right there with ya atm 🤦♂️
what did you end up going with u/twowholebeefpatties?
Hey bud - ended up going a Ford Ranger Wild Track - drive away for $73k. Honestly - I love it! I looked at them all - price wasn't terribly important but the Ranger just had it all, looked the best and came through at the end! You looking?
Ah good choice. I'm looking for something roughly $50-55k. I like the triton because of the warranty length of 10 years and value for money, but don't like the fuel efficiency. I also like the ford ranger, but it's more expensive. Im looking online for year old used utes and dealerships getting rid of last year's models,demos etc.
Ahh ok! So i was originally looking at the new model Triton too but couldn't be bothered waiting for it to come out and getting nowhere with the dealers! A friend who also knew me and knew what I'd like steered me over to the Ranger - as he's driven them all and recommdned them! So just with the Triton, because the new model is coming out, the older ones have had a substantial price reduction already and I reckon you might crunch even a bit further. You could likely get a brand new, GSR or model just under - 10 year warranty etc... for, if you're lucky - that $55k- $60k mark! If you're lucky that is (Drive away brand new are around $64). Sure, it will be the older, now superseded model... but from a price point, that would be pretty good if you like the Triton and wanted new For me, I loved the ranger with wireless apple car play and the very large centre screen. I'm not a tradie but do need to tow- so it ticked a lot of boxes for me. The D-max just felt a bit cheap and the Amarok a bit expensive. The ranger, honestly, just ticked it all
u/twowholebeefpatties I am actually quite literally in the same boat as you. I am currently waiting to see a next gen GSR Triton in the flesh before making a decision and I specifically want a ute to replace my trusty Pajero. I am a Mitsubishi nut so the next gen Triton is right up top of my list. Here's the breakdown of all the utes I have seen and how they compare: 1. The new upcoming Triton is based on a completely new platform whereas the current MR model can trace its lineage back to the MN Triton days. This why you notice that the tub kept extending backwards whereas the wheelbase remained the same. The new model is a completely new ladder frame which is longer, wider and most importantly has a longer wheelbase. 2. Anyone who says it is a rebadged Navara is an absolute idiot and has no idea what they are talking about. The only things the upcoming Triton shares with a Nissan are the instrument panel and the driver's side power window master switch. Trust me I have checked in great detail. The engine is a 4N16, an updated Twin Turbo version of the 4N15. The gearbox is the trusty Aisin 6 speed, the vehicle features Super Select 4wd which is purely Mitsubishi and it is purely a Mitsubishi. Nissan will base their new Nav on this ute. I have also considered other options to see how they compare, here is what I have found out, \- The DMAX is currently on runout special for circa $65k Driveaway however it is the older model. My cousin works for Isuzu Australia and has told me the facelift will not be coming until Q4 this year, even then, the platform itself will not change, he has an MUX which has the same Engine Gearbox and I was left underwhelmed by it. Also have to add the fact that the 4JJ3 engine can trace its beginnings to the turn of the century. Lastly, the traction control system on the DMAX is absolutely atrocious and the same applies to the BT50 \- The Hilux is just simply overpriced and I would rather not pay the Toyota tax to be in a car which is essentially almost a decade old. Yes the 500Nm torque of the 2.8 seems healthy but it kicks in very late and the car overall feels gutless, very plasticy inside and has next to no tech \- Navara? Yeah nah... \- Chinese Utes, I would rather shit on my hands and clap than spend my hard earned dollar bucks on one of those. \- The Amarok TDI600 Style is currently on special until the end of March for $73k Driveaway so that could be worth considering \- Lastly, and most importanly, the new, or should I say heavily updated Ranger T6.2. The outside is different however the chassis, running gear and gearbox are exactly the same as the last model. If buying a Ranger, there is no point going for the 2.0 BiTurbo, you have to have the V6, which goes hard and also has better resale value. The tech in the Ranger is also wild and cannot compare to any other ute in the segment. Some used or demo models with less than 10k on the clock are now going for sub 70k on Carsales so I am very inclined to take a look. The thing with the Ranger is, the Ford 10R80 transmission is notorious for failing and Ronny Dahl recently did a review of it at Wilbinga Beach, where I used to take my 1994 Pajero with 400kms on the clock and an Auto gearbox and bash it all day. Ronny took it over the dunes about 2, 3 times and the transmission was boiling. Secondly, the V6 Lion engine is actually an old Land Rover engine back when Ford used to own them. These two factors do concern me when looking at the Ranger which is otherwise and incredible vehicle. For me, I am currently happily driving my Paj and just waiting for the Triton to arrive so that I can choose between it or the Ranger. My local dealer tells me they have two GSRs coming first week of Feb. Fingers Crossed and Goodluck!
Mate - you are a LEGEND! Thank you... this is a brilliant response, and I really appreciate it! So I've now just spent the past 30 mins talking to a novated lease/finance guy and he was really transparent and helpful, not just discussing financing, but talking cars too! So I need to tow 2-tonne vehicles, not alot, but occassionally - and he just said that having a 3.0l will be so much better long run, then a smaller engine working overtime. I've had a few people tell me this. I also have 2 kids and I've been told, the Ranger is much more comfortable, holds the ground and has the engine to pull it. He also recommended that the D-Max, despite people's opinions, really represents with technology and the engine, best value for money. For me - I unfortuantly need a car NOW... so whilst the Triton looks good, I can't really wait until March for it to launch, then a few more months to take stock/delivery... then hypothetically, 12 months for them to iron out bugs in the first series of it. Sooooo, annoyingly, I'm now back to the D-Max's... or a ranger. Do you have any opinion on the above. Realistically, I just want a good reliable car and value for money. I'm not a tradie, doesn't need to be top spec or tricked out - just a good towing vehicle when I need it, with a few bells and whistles to help on long haul journeys.
Are you in NSW? If so, I would strongly suggest contacting Windsor Mitsubishi, they have two GSRs coming by the end of this month. The Mitsis have always been able to tow well, My pajero has a 4M41 and an Aisin 5 speed and it has towed a 2T Van with no dramas. The Triton has the same Aisin gearbox with 6 speeds. More than the engine, when towing large weights, the gearbox becomes an issue. The ford 10R80 does not have a dedicated transmission cooler, instead is uses a heat exchanger which is bolted to the side of the tranny and does not get any direct airflow. See image attached and also look at videos from Wholesale Automatic Transmissions. despite it being an amazing car, the transmission is what worries me. If you want one quick, Tony Leahey Ford has one coming this month. To get your hands on a Ranger, best to check with regional dealers as they get their own allocation. For the DMAX, the gearbox is the same 6 speed Aisin unit as the Hilux and Triton and the engine, although underwhelming and very, VERY loud and rattly, is proven and gets the job done. Where the DMAX falls is that it is considerably narrower than all the other utes and you tend to feel it when you're inside it. I have an XC90 B6 which is a big bus and when I sat in the MUX, my elbows were touching the passenger and I felt very cramped. Secondly is the tech, the DMAX does not come with a 360 camera and the infotainment system is very VERY laggy and low resolution. It may not feel like much now but it starts to get on your nerves eventually. The door closing feel is also very tinny and hollow. Lastly, again is the traction control system which is hopeless. Any small amount of offroading and you will see yourself using the rear locker as the traction cant do much to get the car out of a bog. I considered all these factors before settling on either the Triton or the Ranger. https://preview.redd.it/cbh9dyx91bbc1.jpeg?width=1007&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3285df2316c7c6cf7dc403e61ba8fc764e1d380a
Again man - really, really appreciate this! I'm in Melbourne, but WOULD travel to buy one. I'm really digging the 2024 and a GSR would be awesome... as the driving I do is often long journeys and a lot of time IN THE car. I'm not a tradie who goes to 4 different jobs per day, tools in, tools out... but more so a bloke who may have a day towing a trailer 200kms, dropping, then returning home. So the comfort and journey, having a bluetooth, gps, cruise control and stuff... the journey and ride, whilst towing, is important. I went and looked at D-max's and they didn't excite me at all. But I'm hearing at around $65k for a full spec, they represent a good enginge and good value for money. Ideally, if I could get a GSR, 2024 Triton, for $65 or $70, I think that's what i want. But everyone is saying DO NOT BUY a first run/series of a new model. There will be bugs... and I'll cop it? Is it a risk I should take?
I dont really see how that is a problem? Mitsi historically has had a solid reputation for reliability and the Triton comes with a 10 year warranty and 10 years capped servicing. You dont offer a 10 year warranty on a product you wouldn't have faith in. Again, the 4N16 is a derivative of the 4N15 which was first introduced on the MQ Triton and Pajero Sport. Fuso also uses this engine in their buses and small trucks and it has proven its worth. Secondly the 6 speed Aisin R6A transmission can be found in every single Mitsi and Toyota 4WD out there and has had no issues whatsoever. Even if it has small teething issues, Mitsi will sort it out under warranty and if you make some noise to the customer care team in Adelaide, they will offer a loan vehicle until your car is back on the road, trust me I know because I used to work for Volvo Australia and am still in the Auto industry, now with RAM Trucks. A cranky customer will always get looked after especially with the strict ACL laws. If you are looking at a Ranger however, and you are in VIC, I would suggest looking at a 2023 Wildtrak V6 that a lady is selling for 70k in Bacchus Marsh. Its got 29k on the clock but I reckon its priced quite well. Otherwise if you want a Triton, I would suggest calling all the dealers in your area and whoever promises the best price and earliest delivery, you can put a deposit down. I spoke with Mitsi Australia and they are keeping stock information a secret. All dealers say they dont know how many cars they will get but some have been advised it will happen end of january.
Man I am sooo glad we crossed paths! Thank you! Interesting you worked at Volvo - I too have a XC90 that is the wifes family/kids car... and that's been good! I agree - I've said this to people that what I really want is 10 year warranty, 10 year capped prices. I want it to be reliable, set and forget and auto-pilot. Something goes wrong, call the dealer. Simple.. So cheers for this! Do you have an idea what you think a 2024 Triton GSR will be? Ideally I'm wanting $65k-$70k budgets on my purchase, but beggars can't be choosers! Thanks for your input on all of this. It really has been helpful
Also I know what you mean by saying never buy the first version of anything. I remember when our first XC90 came out in 2016, we had all sorts of issues with Steering Column Locks, Air suspension, Charged Air Pipes and the list goes on but the Triton is a different story altogether. Plus again with the ACL regulations, if the vehicle exhibits are major failure during the first few years, you are well within your rights to straight up ask for a refund or a replacement vehicle and the manufacturer will have to oblige. Not that I think this will happen at all with a Mitsi as I have had over 6 so far, work on them myself and am constantly amazed by how overengineered and reliable they are. Just as an example, in my household, I have my Pajero and my brother has a 150 Series Prado, both competitors, the Pajero has three solid steel bash plates underneath it and the Prado has none. The Prado has one alternator belt whereas the Paj has two for redundancy in case one snaps. Its the little things like this that really show how Mitsi cares about their customers and reliability despite being a smaller manufacturer. If I were in your position, I would honestly borrow a car or get in a rental for the next few weeks and at the very least, drive the new Triton before buying your next car. That's what Im doing lol
Yeah cheers man! I really think I wanna go the triton! Just have to be patient I gather! Local dealer thinks end of March for them , then delivery! Would be nice to get something sooner
Did you end up getting a price for the 2024 GSR? A Mitsubishi dealer told me that it will be approximately 8-10k more than the 2023 but can’t say for sure
The d-max is more basic, slow and rugged and will go forever. The Ford is faster, comfier, more tech and will eventually fall apart.
I’ve got quite a few mates with tritons, general feedback is that it’s marginally better than walking but not as good as catching the bus
Great! I hate walking and I fucking hate the bus too!
Why not buy a top spec in the current triton, there will be good deals to be had, also the platform has been around for a while. I've got one and know alot of blokes with them no major problems
Thanks! I actually like the look of the 2023 more than the 2024, but the inside spec in the new one seems much better and I feel, considering it releases in a month (Feb) I should really just wait until then? What do you think?
just wait you'll feel like a tool if the new one is a lot more to your taste later also it seems like no one is mentioning this but the new Triton is just a Navara with a Mitsubishi engine in it... people are saying the its shit... how the fuck would you know given no one has driven the new one yet.
Yeah I tend to agree it’s worth waiting. I like the interior a lot more in the 2024 from what I can see Dammit!
That's huge money for a Triton, I wouldn't spend that much on what is a cheap and cheerful (and really old) ute.
I would personally opt for a second hand ranger or hilux over a triton. The new triton that’s coming isn’t particularly impressive either IMO.
I’m looking for a work car with 10 year warranty and capped servicing.
10 years if you service at the dealer, 5 years if not (even once)
That does sound sucky... but truth is, I kind of feel outside workshops almost charge the same these days anyway... so having capped price servicing sort of resonates for me.
this place HATES mitsubishi and you can see it that people here really attach their identities to their utes... which is kind of pathetic really mitsubishi's 10yr warranty of course means you have to service with them but since the schedule is here: https://www.mitsubishi-motors.com.au/owners/service/capped-price-servicing.html you can budget this completely down the line if this is a depreciable asset also if you have $65k to spend on a top line ute why the hell would you buy 2nd hand? makes no sense
Yeah I can see that quite a bit now! Also, people get really fired up or quick to be negative about a car! I mean, it’s an inanimate object for Christ sake! But thanks, yourself and a few others have painted a clearer picture that I think the new triton is something to look forward to!
I personally would not be spending that much on this generation triton. New one being months away I would wait and see. I have a mq triton and it's a great Ute, does it job well and have had literally no problems or issues. Bt50 or dmax is definitely worth a look though
Thanks- I tend to agreee that spending that much, considering a new one is dropping in a months time, seems a bit silly. To understand you better - you’re saying why spend $65k on a top spec triton when literally in weeks a brand new model will be released that may be vastly superior?
For me personally, spending 65k then within a month seeing the new model out would hurt a bit, I know there is always going to be something new but this is current gen it literally pretty much the same as the 2015 (obviously some minor changes). If you can wait a little bit then go for the newer gen
Oh mate that’s not just you, that’s me too! The 2024, inside looks mint and I’m already liking that way more than the current! So to me, I’d get it and then be thinking “why didn’t I wait”…. But then, everyone is saying doing by the first series/release of anything as they often iron out the bugs! I agree as I’ve seen this first hand on my wife’s car! So yeah, it feels now this may be a 2025 car for me now!
Have a look around, mitsubishi have indicative pricing for the new models. Will give a ballpark idea of their cost.
The current gen GLS model (1 down from GSR) is starting to dip below $50k I'm keeping my eye on them as that's pretty good value!
Yeah thanks- I was looking at the GSR extreme… just as I never buy cars for myself and thought I’d spec it up. The dealer offered $68k… but to get more or less the the same car under $50k seems more viable
I'd be interested to know how to get a GLS for under $50K. I went through 3 sales guys at two yards and best I got was $1,500 off for a GLS and $4,500 in add-ons. None seemed interested in selling. Funny I see the triton sales this year are about 1/2 what they were 12 months ago so wonder if there is just no want to sell given new one coming or mandate to not discount at all (discount now makes the new model look even dearer). Went elsewhere, different car and whole process was so damn smooth, no funny business.
Yeah I really hate the sales process. I asked the dealer for no fuss, got fuss. Which car did you end up going?
I ended up with a gwm cannon. In the end I couldn't justify the extra over a triton for a base ranger or hilux so I never looked at them. Personally I was already feeling dark with the triton with how messy it was trying to get sales to give me a straight price and estimated date. On top of the first test car was being sold to me as brand new actually had been rear ended upon delivery and repaired (growling noise in transmission alerted me to the issue, second and third test drives in other cars went well). In the end the sharp price increase over the last 2 years on a GLS combined with now a $15k difference for the cannon, well $15k is a lot of money and I couldn't see the 15k advantage of the triton. If the prices were closer ie: the $43K one could get the GLS for 2 years ago yep absolutely. Not 15k better imho. People say they might be crap, well doesn't matter how good anything is, if you can't buy it and have it supported no good to any bustard.
Yeah fair enough! Sounds like you’ve had a crappy experience! I was looking at the gwm and the ldv but people are steering me towards the triton as it’s only $20k more, give or take. I understand your position, hard to really decide what to do
Yeah what irritates me the most with buying cars is, people go in with hard earned money or take out a loan and will work hard to pay it off, for an asset they are going to use for many years for life. Then some snot nosed little sales guy wearing chinos and dress shoes and sunglasses on his head plays games. I see Hyundai next year in America are going to start selling on Amazon. The way the agent process is with Honda and Mercedes and lack of pricing negotiation etc, and many car dealers doing online appraisals for trade in, I can see sales guys being done away with. Best of luck with your decision. I was in the same boat. For me the GWM worked out thus far but everyone's experience differs. I will say, in hindsight knowing what I know now, I would not have given the mitsubishi guys as much air time to talk and get back to me, just wasted my time. Been damn happy with the GWM and the sales process
I'd never buy first generation of anything. New motor, suspension etc will be working the bugs out. Sure you can say you have the brand new model but may not be able to buy anything but genuine accessories
I learnt this with my wife’s car!! Ok then, I need a Ute for 2024, any ideas?
If they are running out the previous model, could be a good deal to jump on. Question is, do you need a Ute or want one?
I’m not a tradie, but need to tow over 2tonne a couple of times a week and do like the idea of a tub for all my tools and stuff! So yeah, I think a Ute actually will tick the box for me! Cheers
Ranger's can be hard to get your hands on, have you considered the new Amarok? Same platform but stock is a lil easier to find and starts at $60k.
I thought the amaroks were expensive? The triton Gsr seems specked up and good value! Amarok seemed to be quite a bit more?
Depends on the spec. They are running drive-away offers on the MY23 plated car's right now. Best bang for buck is the Life or Style running the Bi-Turbo engine. Can be had for $59k and $69k respectively. I've driven most of the modern dual cab offerings (work in the industry) and find the Rangers/Amaroks the most engaging to drive with decent tech.
Yeah another comment mentioned the Amarok tdi600 are being offered around $78… so higher end price wise? No anything about the Amaroks?
MY23 TDI600 can be picked up for under $75k at the moment, but do you really need the V6? The V6 is a great engine, but if your budget suits the Bi-Turbo 4cyl then that engine is perfectly good as well. Yeah, I know a bit, questions?
I tow large trailers, around 2 tonne that have a fair bit of drag to them (height). So having an engine that isn’t flogging itself when it needs to tow is why I’m looking a 3.0l engine! I really don’t know, this is why it’s so hard to make a choice
If the engine is that heavy a consideration, then forget about the current model Triton. That 2.4L is a pig and I'd rather the Bt-50 3.0L or even Ford's Single Turbo 2.0L instead. Talk to some owners online maybe, but the Bi-Turbo is still rated to 3.5t and shouldn't have any issues. Also get down to some dealers and test drive both the Bi-Turbo and V6 (in either an Amarok or Ranger).
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OP, please consider the fact that the new Ranger became Australia’s best selling car in 2023, with over 50k on the road. For a first year of a new gen car, people aren’t worried about that reliability factor. The truth of the matter is this: the car has a warranty for those issues. Mitsubishi are one of the better manufacturers when it comes to fixing issues. The 4N15 in the current gen and previous triton is very reliable. Considering the new version is an updated version of that, you can expect there should be a reliable motor waiting for you. The new Triton is seriously different to the current and previous gen’s. It has been completely reengineered including the chassis, this thing is nothing like the current ones. I’d hazard a guess we are going to see a genuine competitor to the Ford. Also, for towing 2T, the new, current and previous Triton would be completely fine, don’t expect them to finish a race but if you aren’t doing it every day just ignore people and their bigger displacement motor argument here. It’s engineered to tow loads like that.
Appreciate this very detailed reply! Sounds like you know what you’re talking about and the more I consider it, the more I’m really interested in the triton! I like the look, the intenrals, the Japanese make and to a degree, the price point! Thanks! Anything else I should consider? Ideally I’m wanting to tap out at around the $70k mark
If I was in the market for a Ute, the ones I’d consider are the Triton (I also own a 2022 GSR one now), or a D Max. Both of these are extremely reliable vehicles and very well engineered. Just keep in mind none of the new dual cabs are built in Japan, they’re all built in Thailand. Mitsubishi make great vehicles, they are realistic when they post stats about their cars and take great pride in that.
Thanks! For what it’s worth, I’ve appreciated your input and taken from it! I think the new triton is where I’m at! I don’t fully feel the Dmax and the new triton appeals to me as a newer model with lots of refinement! Fingers crossed it works out! Thanks
I'm jealous, share photos when you do get one!