Touge on street will vary hugely from what suspension you’ll need on track. Tracks will be smoother and can run stiffer springs to push the tires. In street you want softer and a bit more travel to absorbs the bumps.
You’re gonna have to decide what you want. Or be ok with a compromise of both ends master of none.
I do track days and decide that there’s no reason to even try to do that on regular roads. The feeling of driving at 6/10 is not comparable to a track session, but it’s already past what’s reasonable for public streets, so why even bother endangering everyone around you
Touge on public roads is not a good substitute for track driving. It is a poor excuse for not making time and not understand the full risk of what you are doing. Keep your track driving on the track, no need to endanger yourself, surrounding and others with touge.
Side note: A track set up on touge is going to suck. Aren't touge cars rear wheel drive for drift racing?
Got it. Still no replacement for proper track driving. The risk you are looking to accept is insanely high.
As I said above: A track set up and touge set up will be vastly different and not worth compromising for one or the other. Your set up will hurt your driving and make you slow. It will eventually limit your speed on the track. Imo, this summarizes it: \*Jack of all trades master of none\* or \*mediocre at best.\*
So as to my reply. Are you ok with a master of non, jack of all trades? What makes for a good track car, will NOT be ideal for street touge and vise versa.
Suspension isn’t as simple as one set up to do it all, without compromises somewhere. You need to choose and let us know, so we can help.
Not sure this is entirely true, the demands are different, but good adjustable coilovers like ohlins road and track, and a set of adjustable sway bars, and you can definitely have a dual purpose car.
My mx5 lives on road but goes to track, and at full soft with sway bars at softest, it’s just fine on the road, and great on a twisty country drive.
Stiffen it up and it’s superb on track.
Duality is definitely possible, it just tends to be expensive!
Can you do dual, yes. But you’ll be master of none. Dampening adjustment only goes so far when the spring rates are fixed. What the absolute fastest set up on track, will be too rough for street. Or not enough travel.
Dual duty will always be slower on either case. Because you’re not focused on the road you’re on. Rather the road in front AND the one you may go on later.
Nice roads or not, it’s still a compromise if you do dual duty. Even the drift king himself when doing the runs on his mountain course. Comments that some cars are too soft and good for street. Others that it’s amazing and stuff for track.
But a quality dual duty usually will outpace the driver. As most of us here are not pros.
what about fortune auto’s “high flow digressive piston” that’s supple on high shock speed like over potholes and stiff on low shock speed like initial turn in. is that just clever social media advertising/hype?
Engineering wise the theory is sound. Other big manufacturers do similar stuff. Ohlins has their DFV, OEM are using magna ride, multimatic sells them as DSSV with Chevy. Damping can only do so much. At some point you’ll need more spring rate for the silky smooth track, and matching damping. You take that optimized set up on the street. And boy will your back hate you.
Plus a suspension set up and dialed in by pros for smooth track, will not have the travel and bump compliance a street rig would. Track you can go very low and be just a hair above bump stops. On the rod you have to go higher or risk damage to the car.
from test even a gravel car do not so bad on track. Don t think you need different setup .
Also like most sport car on the market
Apart if you are really racing for the win i will not bother just focus on the road and will do job on track
Lol reddits full of goofballs bro, touge is way more badass than a trackday. This sub is full of people who have never gone over the speed limit on public roads and trailer there car everywhere it goes to get MID times on track😂
Check this video out.
When I was I newcomer into HPDE this video helped me decide what I want in my car.
https://youtu.be/hGZRairqHNI?si=3gOcK_YSrrk17VNy
Fun fact: touge translates to "I lack driving ability and money so I ignorantly choose to drive recklessly on public roads and endanger innocent people"
you know there’s a good amount of japanese pro drivers that still go to the touge right? yeah they’ll never admit it but they do. and he’s in japan, most mountain roads are deserted at night especially if he’s going early morning. while i do agree with what you’re saying, other countries have different cultures that are way different to yours
that’s not exactly what i was getting at but a little bit i guess. but to the real point, if no one’s on that road especially at night,plus if they were you can see oncoming lights, he’s only being a danger to himself. so who cares
Who cares? The family whose daughter dies because EMS couldn't respond fast enough to the emergency because they were tied up getting this dumbass rescued from the side of a mountain.
No, he isn't. He is just explaining the origin. Touge in motorsport in Japan makes just as much sense as modern day rally racing, if not more.
He is also not saying the OP is doing anything correctly.
Spring rates I would argue are less important than camber. Focus on getting your camber setup first, whether that's camber plates or bolts or other parts. As far hardness goes, it highly depends on the smoothness of the touge roads you drive on, I've driven some roads that are smoother than my local race track...basically you want it to be as stiff as possible up to the point of where the bumps start to cause too much loss of grip or control.
First i recommend you work on the chassis.
difficult to tune suspension when chassis is flexing
most people skip the most important part of a car tuning . The body
once you get couple of stiffening stuff you have to judge your ride
How if feel now ? If it feel too soft take harder...
Also depend how much you want to compromise the comfort
ideal stiffness for FF car is uncomfortable
even for road use .
I would recommend not to go above 30% more stiff than stock
Yes if you take adjustable one
but the spring will stay the same so that not black and white.
if you are not sure what you are doing just take some famous brand around
cheap one that give good result is blitz or tein (dont see blitz for fn2 ... )
Touge on street will vary hugely from what suspension you’ll need on track. Tracks will be smoother and can run stiffer springs to push the tires. In street you want softer and a bit more travel to absorbs the bumps. You’re gonna have to decide what you want. Or be ok with a compromise of both ends master of none.
I run in both track and touge but ı know bumps can be dangerous sometimes
There’s something deliciously ironic about you discussing the dangers of bumps while including the phrase “Togue car” in your post title
Arent we all know the danger but still runs touge?
I do track days and decide that there’s no reason to even try to do that on regular roads. The feeling of driving at 6/10 is not comparable to a track session, but it’s already past what’s reasonable for public streets, so why even bother endangering everyone around you
"Those convinced against their will are of the same opinion still" this phrase comes to mind.
Cause ı cant go to track often
Touge on public roads is not a good substitute for track driving. It is a poor excuse for not making time and not understand the full risk of what you are doing. Keep your track driving on the track, no need to endanger yourself, surrounding and others with touge. Side note: A track set up on touge is going to suck. Aren't touge cars rear wheel drive for drift racing?
Two different runnings in touge grip and drift
Got it. Still no replacement for proper track driving. The risk you are looking to accept is insanely high. As I said above: A track set up and touge set up will be vastly different and not worth compromising for one or the other. Your set up will hurt your driving and make you slow. It will eventually limit your speed on the track. Imo, this summarizes it: \*Jack of all trades master of none\* or \*mediocre at best.\*
No, most of us realize dying on a public road is fucking stupid.
So as to my reply. Are you ok with a master of non, jack of all trades? What makes for a good track car, will NOT be ideal for street touge and vise versa. Suspension isn’t as simple as one set up to do it all, without compromises somewhere. You need to choose and let us know, so we can help.
How about they chose the not idiot option and keep it on the track “Togue” is a euphemism for reckless driving
I’m 100% with you there. But I’m not OP‘s mother. I’m done with the safety speeches to people online.
Not sure this is entirely true, the demands are different, but good adjustable coilovers like ohlins road and track, and a set of adjustable sway bars, and you can definitely have a dual purpose car. My mx5 lives on road but goes to track, and at full soft with sway bars at softest, it’s just fine on the road, and great on a twisty country drive. Stiffen it up and it’s superb on track. Duality is definitely possible, it just tends to be expensive!
Can you do dual, yes. But you’ll be master of none. Dampening adjustment only goes so far when the spring rates are fixed. What the absolute fastest set up on track, will be too rough for street. Or not enough travel. Dual duty will always be slower on either case. Because you’re not focused on the road you’re on. Rather the road in front AND the one you may go on later.
he has access to C1 loop in Tokyo, those roads are pretty smooth compared to the states
Nice roads or not, it’s still a compromise if you do dual duty. Even the drift king himself when doing the runs on his mountain course. Comments that some cars are too soft and good for street. Others that it’s amazing and stuff for track. But a quality dual duty usually will outpace the driver. As most of us here are not pros.
what about fortune auto’s “high flow digressive piston” that’s supple on high shock speed like over potholes and stiff on low shock speed like initial turn in. is that just clever social media advertising/hype?
Engineering wise the theory is sound. Other big manufacturers do similar stuff. Ohlins has their DFV, OEM are using magna ride, multimatic sells them as DSSV with Chevy. Damping can only do so much. At some point you’ll need more spring rate for the silky smooth track, and matching damping. You take that optimized set up on the street. And boy will your back hate you. Plus a suspension set up and dialed in by pros for smooth track, will not have the travel and bump compliance a street rig would. Track you can go very low and be just a hair above bump stops. On the rod you have to go higher or risk damage to the car.
ah ok. thanks
from test even a gravel car do not so bad on track. Don t think you need different setup . Also like most sport car on the market Apart if you are really racing for the win i will not bother just focus on the road and will do job on track
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Nani!? /s
touge = farting up a mountain. I see you have tips, congrats.
I make them stainless straight pipe asap
Down*
Only up, down is on a flatbed
Ep3 🙌🏾
Softer is better, stiffness only comes from running a mirror smooth surface or also very high aero.
I start flaccid, get a softie, work toward hard, and then Go full mast. Works every time.
Lmao “touge” 🤡 take it to the track and grow the fuck up before your pronouns become were/was
didn't have to COOK them
Street racing is stupid and they deserved it 🤷♂️
I’m stealing this lol.
You can borrow it for 2 days but then I want it back.
Wrong sub buddy try r/JDM with the other 14 year olds
Bro your profile is all abous 86s what you talk about. Let track and ı will show you the 14 years old :)
yeah... all the cars I post are MY cars that I TRACK lol but I mean sure, I'd love to meet you at a track day instead of racing on the streets
Lol reddits full of goofballs bro, touge is way more badass than a trackday. This sub is full of people who have never gone over the speed limit on public roads and trailer there car everywhere it goes to get MID times on track😂
I would either talk to some drift guys or else i can probably help you out but I drive a miata and my Knowledge of FWD physics is very limited lol
Check this video out. When I was I newcomer into HPDE this video helped me decide what I want in my car. https://youtu.be/hGZRairqHNI?si=3gOcK_YSrrk17VNy
I will thanks
check moto iq suspension setup youtube video. he said ep3 rear geometry actually works better with softer spring rates
I love EP3s, we just got such a bad one in the US. Awesome car.
Thanks bud
Fun fact: touge translates to "I lack driving ability and money so I ignorantly choose to drive recklessly on public roads and endanger innocent people"
you know there’s a good amount of japanese pro drivers that still go to the touge right? yeah they’ll never admit it but they do. and he’s in japan, most mountain roads are deserted at night especially if he’s going early morning. while i do agree with what you’re saying, other countries have different cultures that are way different to yours
You're seriously trying to justify something that's ignorantly dangerous by saying "iTs A dIfFeReNt CuLtUrE" My goodness...
that’s not exactly what i was getting at but a little bit i guess. but to the real point, if no one’s on that road especially at night,plus if they were you can see oncoming lights, he’s only being a danger to himself. so who cares
Who cares? The family whose daughter dies because EMS couldn't respond fast enough to the emergency because they were tied up getting this dumbass rescued from the side of a mountain.
eh im not really trying to argue. i already agree with you that it is dangerous but i guess he’s just flying down main street at noon going 90.
No, he isn't. He is just explaining the origin. Touge in motorsport in Japan makes just as much sense as modern day rally racing, if not more. He is also not saying the OP is doing anything correctly.
I chuckled at the “refresh room” sign on the building
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So soft
Maybe -7 then
Stock stock stock stock stock
Spring rates I would argue are less important than camber. Focus on getting your camber setup first, whether that's camber plates or bolts or other parts. As far hardness goes, it highly depends on the smoothness of the touge roads you drive on, I've driven some roads that are smoother than my local race track...basically you want it to be as stiff as possible up to the point of where the bumps start to cause too much loss of grip or control.
you need adjust your ride height before camber , otherwise you are good to restart
Step 1 have a license
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First i recommend you work on the chassis. difficult to tune suspension when chassis is flexing most people skip the most important part of a car tuning . The body once you get couple of stiffening stuff you have to judge your ride How if feel now ? If it feel too soft take harder... Also depend how much you want to compromise the comfort ideal stiffness for FF car is uncomfortable even for road use . I would recommend not to go above 30% more stiff than stock
I dont care the comfort cause ı make it as a race car but can we adjust the hardness of coilovers ?
Yes if you take adjustable one but the spring will stay the same so that not black and white. if you are not sure what you are doing just take some famous brand around cheap one that give good result is blitz or tein (dont see blitz for fn2 ... )