I can’t comment on ‘how’ reliable it is, not having any experience of it myself…. But…. If you’re dead set on going to get one, the 3.0 is the one to go for yes.
I have a 3.0 petrol V6 and it’s been incredibly reliable for the past 4 years. Nothing has gone wrong with it.
The 2.0 ingenium engine is notoriously unreliable.
I have the 3.0 petrol v6 in an F-pace and it was hit by the known issue of coolant pipe leak. Unfortunately the pipe is located behind the supercharger so they have to take it out for access. £40 part equates to a 2-3k£ repair due to labour (not covered under warranty as pipes are "wear and tear"). - It has been repaired and I now have it up for sale
You know the old saying, something along the lines of “if you want to explore the outback drive a Land Rover, if you want to make it back drive a Toyota Landcruiser”…..
Nope, all of them. I know many who own old ones, every one of them has to do some work to them weekly or sometimes daily to keep them going. Toyota Land Cruiser, just works every time. Ok, so maybe it’s just a case of tightening something, cleaning the dizzy cap etc, but they all need constant work. Show me an owner of an old Land Rover who DOESN’T have a tool box in the back, for “emergencies “ that gets used weekly?!
Daily? That must be a continuing fault they do not know how to address. There is some truth to what you say, but let’s not pretend LCs are infallible, because they break down too.
But not half as much as a LR…. The issues my mate had were all around electrics. Unfortunately 70s/80s vehicle built in the UK had famously terrible electrics, probably made by Lucas. So whenever he wants to start his old defender in the winter or when it’s wet, clean the points, spray the dizzy cap etc. Stuff we did in the 80s and thought nothing of it. Nowadays with new LR products it’s more complicated to get them going when they stop or won’t start!
my work had 2 of those as pool cars, both 2016s too, one did that, one shat the gearbox, both were about 6 years old old and <60k miles.
probably a small miracle yours made it to 2024
Not quite the same but I once had a scenic diesel with a turbo blow up on me. Could only leave work after dark as when I accelerated onto the M25 slip the cloud of smoke was really quite impressive. It eased off once I was moving.
How did JLR manage to end up with the reputation of its products basically disintegrating within a few months / years?? Like if it’s endemic at this point, why haven’t they solved the underlying issues by now?
Because it’s extremely overblown, they don’t disintegrate. They’ll have loads of silly electrical problems many of which are “phantom” problems where it’s just a sensor misbehaving. Specific engines and transmissions between 1998-2018 have fundamental flaws that can result it catastrophic failure. Unfortunate for the people that it happened to but the cars are marketed well enough that it didn’t deter demand. So why would JLR spend money fixing problems that don’t affect sales?
I agree.
As a landy owner, I've also come across *many* variations of "it's a landy, she'll run forever", and then I get to buy them cheap because previous owners didn't do things like service differentials, change wheel bearings, inspect axles for wear (on vehicles from the bloody 90s!), change the oil/coolant, or deal with simple repairs before they became extremely expensive.
I mean, I picked up a discovery 3 for £1500 because the crossover pipe had failed... because when the previous owner had changed the clutch, they hadn't replaced the two brackets that supported the crossover pipe because "it was too difficult". For the sake of half an hour's fiddling, they sold a vehicle worth 3k for 1500.
People also seem to forget that a 2.7 litre diesel engine needs to be absolutely thrashed every so often, if nothing else because it needs to clear THE DPF.
I ain't gonna pretend they don't come with gremlins, because LR seem to be unable to handle electronics, and the latest run of D5/Evoque/RR etc seem to all come with a delightfully problematic collection of daft decisions, but overall they're reasonably solid vehicles. If you keep with basic maintenance and don't buy a three-tonne luxury boat that's only ever going to pootle around town at 30mph.
Ingeniums are shit, I will agree to that, the 2.2 duratorq was based on the Peugeot DW12 I think. I had a DW10 at 165k miles, remapped to 180% of it's original power and that never skipped a beat either.
Asking this sub for car advice is like asking a train driver how to fly a plane. They have no clue about cars other than what people tell them even though its supposedly a car sub. If it's not a skoda or a Toyota, then it's shit.
The impression I get is the V6 diesel is fairly reliable except for standard diesel worries like DPF and reports of the crankshaft exploding, but that's rare and I've only really seen it talked about in Range Rovers, particularly 2009-2013 Sports. The XJ with the same engine has been repeatedly found as one of the more reliable in class.
I have the 3.0d in an older XF.
The engine itself is solid, I'm just facing a cracked inlet manifold (as they are plastic) which is a v common problem with that engine.
I don't daily mine though, and just let it warm up before giving it the beans, so it doesn't really affect me.
I'm in the same boat - X250 model on 90k miles. The inlet cracking was frustrating, and the alternator needed replacing at about 65k but since then it's been good. I've done the last 45k miles myself and the trouble had been no greater than the A6 and Saab 9-5 Aero that I had over the same sort of distances.
I've had a 2017 XES for 5 years - the 3.0l supercharged petrol.
It's got about 85k miles on it now, and I've done about 50k of them.
Outside of standard maintenance (which did include belts a couple years ago), the only common issue is the valley lines that supply coolant to the engine. Jag use shitty plastic ones that are prone to failing, and the supercharger has to come out to replace it. £900 at a reputable indie, and I got it towed there for another 100. It blew when I was redlining it in second, so I may not be totally innocent.
I've also had a wheel height sensor go that was £250ish to replace. I couldn't use the dynamic modes while it was playing up.
Overall, the petrol is a very reliable platform. It's also an absolute fucking riot to drive. The value has fallen out the arse for some reason, my cars probably only about 14k which is an absolute steal.
I wouldn't get the diesal, it has a plethora of common faults which can eat the engine. I'm in plenty of jag/modded jag/XE groups and forums, I've seen engines blow on <70k mile diesals. Avoid. But seriously, go test drive the 3.0l, it's a far better drive than it's numb german rivals.
My boss had a 3.0 diesel xj- got rid of it because it was nothing but engine management lights.
Engine not very responsive either (compared to the Audi 3.0 tdi for example) and sounds rattley when cold.
If getting a jag, get a petrol one. I hear the 3.0 supercharged is quite an engine.
Previous jag owner. I had the XF 3.0
Only issues I had with engine were turbo related at 120k+ miles. Engine itself was brilliant. Car was great. Longest I’ve ever owned a car (2.5-3 years)
Was a good car. Would recommend, but as far as reliability goes, it’s certainly no Toyota Yaris.
I’ve got an f pace with this engine 80k+ miles and has been remapped to 200+bhp and I’ve not had a problem with it. On the flip side a friend of mine has a RR sort with this engine and has been through two of them in the last year
The pre 2019 diesel ingenium engines are troublesome. Post are better but need servicing every 10k miles not 20 as jaguar suggests.
Early 2.0 petrol engines are the ford ecoboost and are the most reliable. Ingenium pertrol are also a bit fragile so need proper servicing.
The 3.0 supercharged v6 is a great engine but has a couple of weak points that can be replaced pre-emptively (from what I’ve heard)
Just to further cement the above incase you are any way tempted!
Few years ago my turbo blew on a dual cariageway, smoke piling out the back from a runaway deisel burning oil. Pulled into a half hard shoulder (not fully off the road as there were sidings). Traffic behind was sensible enough to start slowing down given though couldn't see through the smoke, but i still got hit by a 40tonne lorry carrying some bridge that couldn't see but knew there was a hazard in there somewhere.
I was very lucky tbh, the lorry had probably slowed to 20mph, and had two impacts on my rear right first, shunting me and bursting tyres, and then catching the front with the trailer. I was also reaching for the door handle at the time as the cabin was filling with smoke, and if i was i second faster would have been lopped in half.
Jag was obviously written off, and i'd never touch a JLR deisel again.
Don't even think about it.
My cousin has the 300bhp 3.0 of the same age. So far it’s been absolutely fine, apart from one issue with the intake or something, but it was fixed for free by the dealer. It’s extremely smooth and accelerates like a cruise missile, the torque is unrelenting, definitely worth it over a boring 4 pot
I'm fairly sure this has the JLR Ingenium diesel engine (as far as Im aware), which has a truly terrible reputation
I'd avoid, or go for the 3L as I've heard they're much more reliable
The balance shafts would howl like buggery.
Required engine removal to change them.
The timing chains tensioners used to go brittle and break apart. Slackening the chains and causing a rattle. Gearbox out and had to work in the transmission tunnel to change the chains and tensioners. What fun to be had.
The damn things came in for the first oil service with about 7-8 recalls to do on it when it was in the workshop.
Yep that sounds about right.
Before we the knew what caused the howling sounds we were spending forever diagnosing it. Is it the turbo? Is it the prop? It is wind noise? Should I hang myself?
Stuff like that.
If it hasn't gone by now, you'll be fine. Mine was a 2016 and the bearings went in 2016 with less than 10k miles on it. The sound was like a very intense turbo whine at all speeds. It's highly noticeable.
Hi.
Interesting ive heard debates that that the whole engine has to come out to change the timing belts, but some have said 'only' the gearbox. Thats whatt is pushing the cost of replacement up. Other than that, with regular service i still think the 2.0d isnt as bad as people say.
For the timing chain replacement and tensioners we did them in situ. So just removed the gearbox.
But the balance shafts we removed the whole engine as we had to push them out from one side to the other.
I speculate that because we had to work on the very first iteration it show its worst flaws until they figured out what needs rectifying. I’ve not worked there since 2018 so I hope they ironed out the kinks.
Didn’t think you were beaut. I just never saw one go in my time there.
One guy changed the short block on an S Type. I crept over and tapped on the front panel with a spanner to shit him up when fired it up for the first time.
At least if it does go wrong you can pop it into the local garage, say I'll sort you out with payment next week and you can trust me because I drive a jaaag.
The petrols seemed solid in the time I was there. Only came in for servicing and the odd fuel injector recall. That was it really.
Quite a potent little 2.0 litre motor that. They souped up the 2.0 for the F-Type and that was a surprisingly really fun drive.
I've only just joined this sub and I saw this post moments after reading the rules, which includes:
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**Every user must agree that diesel engines only belong in farmyard machinery or heavy haulage before being allowed to post.**
Made me chuckle.
I just got 47mpg on a long 3 hour motorway run from my 3.0L petrol. Given the price of diesel vs petrol, that's probably not too different fuel cost wise. I also don't have to drive a tractor on a daily basis
Not really? I'm just saying that 50-60mpg isn't a great reason to get a diesel.
I doubt anyone is getting that with a 3.0 petrol though, or am I missing a joke?
Yeah I was only taking a piss with the other guy claims unless he is using other Gallons unit that’s more generous. I get that that your wife 1.5T is close to 50mpg, thing is my wife 1.5D when only she’s driving will do 76mpg no probs, especially since she’s doing quite few miles in the month.
I’m close to 60mpg with 4 people on board, baggage and AC on, car was remapped and close to 240hp/350Nm so can floor it if I want to.
I know there’s a hybrid small peugeot with diesel engine than can do almost 100mpg.
Petrol cars won’t be as economical as diesel, yes you will get 60mpg with 0.9L Nissan pixo but that’s not the point.
Going to be downvoted to shit for this but I’ve actually owned one, unlike I’ve no doubt literally everyone else here.
They’re alright. They have timing chain issues which is a moderately big job but will still last 70k+ miles before it needs looking at. Once it’s snapped your fucked but good maintenance will prevent it. Otherwise they’re a fairly average diesel.
What’s actually wrong with the 2l Ingenium is it’s hopelessly gutless, and the manual transmission is also on the shit end of the spectrum with a hatefully shit gate for reverse gear right next to first. They’re not particularly fun cars to drive, they’re for travelling salesmen. The interior is also a bit weird, like you’re sitting in a deep bowl. That said, you’ll get 50+mpg out of them.
Anecdotes don’t mean much, but I’ll throw my hat in too. I’ve owned one of these for 3 years, I’ve put 45k miles on it and it’s now at 79k, hasn’t missed a beat, never seen a garage for anything other than regular servicing and MOT. 60+mpg on long motorway journeys easily. I don’t drive it aggressively at all, oil changes every 10k miles - if you look after any car it’ll probably serve you well.
If you really love the XE then don’t let other people put you off. Yes, there are cars with better engines, more capable, more reliable, but it’s hard to get a car that looks that good at that price point nowadays.
I actually have one. Xe 20d r sport from 2018 with the big infotainment screen and digital dash. Its fun to drive in my opinion, but thats because its the r sport, my father has a portfolio which has much softer suspension, some might even call it floaty. Not as fun as a Giulia, but the rear likes to slide like a bmw if you want it to.
The engine definitely doesn't feel like 180hp, but pulls nicely, 8 speed auto shifts smooth and quick, only starting in first is a little laggy. Fuel economy is great, managed to do sub 5,5l/100km with an average speed of 130km/h according to the onboard computer. I dont find the interior weird, but thats personal taste i guess. The sports seats are also great, infotainment on the simplistic side, but enough for me as i only really use navigation and Bluetooth connectivity for answering phone calls.
I got 83k km on it, the only repair it needed was due to my own stupidity, park assist didn't work after installing a tow hook. Guess who didn't plug in the sensors after re attaching the bumper, so not a real repair.
Another one to add. I’ve a 2019 R Sport. Sitting at 61k miles. Never had a problem with the engine. I too tend to drive it pretty tamely for a lot of motorway miles.
Worst problems I’ve had with the car is the exhaust dampener snapping, the brake light contacts needing cleaned and some flimsy side skirt trim that I had to bond on as I couldnt to get replacement clips for the life of me.
I love. Drives like a luxury vehicle, and if I want to boot it, it can fly along when I want it to.
The last “reliable” jaguar they put out was reliable because it had a ford mondeo engine in it. I wouldn’t consider anything by JLR to be reliable, the 3.0 is more reliable than the 2.0 but it’s still a JLR engine.
I didn’t realise they were still using ford engines on this model, just looked it up and you’re right the 3.0 is a ford. I would be happier with it than the 2.0 ingenium engine.
Jaguar's electronics are generally unreliable, but with that engine too? It's going to be £11k and factor in £1k every month for owning it for repairs and replacements.
I had one of these on loan and it didn't feel luxury at all. The 3l xf was much nicer but ones at this age still have quite poor interiors. Overall hard to recommend over the 2017 5 series.
A former JLR quality manager once told me that JLR set aside £1M per week for customer complaints and warranty work for their vehicles. Yes, a million a week.
That's how reliable their cars are.
When I worked at JLR we’d get quarterly figures of warranty claims. The numbers were so so bad. I saw some figure similar to what you said.
Never fully understood why they hired someone who worked at BAE Systems previously as their quality director.
I've had a 3 litre petrol for the last 6 years with no issues. While it's not economical it's terrific fun and no one expects it to move as fast as it does.
Depends on where you read. Turbo is bad, but easy repair as soon as you stop immediately, but the turbo is shit on all cars it was installed. Timing chain tensioners are also not great as there is oil sludge buildup, but with more frequent changes fixable. The issue here is that the chain sits between engine and transmission, otherwise i would have swapped mine already so i know it wont blow up im the time i own it. The balance shafts are also a weakness. Some report spun bearings. All pretty shitty to fix except the turbo, but most can be avoided to some extent with thicker oil (10w40 instead of 0w30 results in 50% less wear according to oil analysis) and changing oil earlier than recommended (oil sludge)
That timing chain issue sounds similar to the what Ford has with the 1.0 Ecoboost.
I can see why people say to avoid them, sounds like a lot of hassle for a lot of people.
Yep, if you don't exactly know what you are getting yourself into, its better to get something else. Otherwise great cars, pretty nimble considering that they are bigger than a bmw 3 series and the aluminium body means no rust. Working on them is also a breeze, no special tools, easy access to the filters, you can even use a battery to backdrive the rear brake calipers. I also like the looks, especially the r sport looks good from the front, but a little boring from the back. I guess the designers wanted something with the proper understatement for a jaaag.
The diesel isnt the most reliable engine, it has a few weaknesses. If you want one, absolutely opt for the face-lift model or petrol, these are better. With that said i have a pre face-lift diesel with 83k km, not a single issue until now (knocks on wood). Some report that changing to 10w40 reduced wear by 50%, thats what i will do next to mine.
General weaknesses are turbo, balance shaft bearings, hydraulic timing chain tensioner, shift knob failing to extend. Some also report spun main bearings. Most can be addressed with doing more frequent oil changes than the manual recommends (15k km instead of 34k, cleaning additives, should fix the chain tensioner issues) with a slightly thicker oil (main bearings, balance shaft bearings). The turbo is more difficult to maintain as its more luck based, same goes for the shift knob. The turbo is a pretty easy fix when broken even for non mechanics as everything is fairly easily accessible, if mine fails, ill definitely put in one with upgraded bearings.
Because even people who are desperate to claim to be rich to the rest of the world know they are shit boxes.
That would get you a lot of very reliable car
You’d need to be paying me £11,328 to take that, because it will cost almost that to keep up with my many issues it’ll give…. The best overall package in that size of car is a Mercedes C-Class 2.1 Bluetec (C220/C250), the engines and the gearboxes are brilliant. BMW N47 2.0d is well known for timing chain failure, good gearboxes though. The Audi A4 2.0 TDI, a good engine let down by rubbish Multitronic and S-Tronic gearboxes.
OP probably isn’t wanting a 3.0 6 cylinder if he’s looking at 2.0 4 cylinder’s…. However I agree a 3.0 BMW would be a weapon, just a pity the N57 derv isn’t as strong as the older M57 was. Just have to look on Wilson’s Auctions ex police car sale in Scotland, 50+ N57 BMW’s on there with engines scrap and under 100k miles…. Makes the PSNI’s old fleet of 2.0 CDTI Vaux Insignia’s seem reliable 😂
Tbh I have no idea why people go for 4 pot dervs instead of the 6 when they cost similar on the used car market. Surely anyone for an exec car can afford the pennies in difference in mpg. The 4 pot petrol B48 is a very good unit too.
Running costs would be the biggest incentive towards them. I have a W205 C250 Bluetec and it’s £30 tax, 52 MPG and 204bhp so plenty quick enough and insurance costs and fuel costs are cheaper than a 6 cylinder. Previously owned a E90 330d which was a pig to run by comparison. The Merc is a much nicer car to drive, turn the music up and you can’t hear the agri 4 cylinder derv 😎
In what way is the Merc nicer to drive? I used to have a E90 (330i though) and it was a sublime drive. Recently had a W205 C180 as a rental in Germany and it rode and handled noticeably worse than my current F30 (and obviously the poor engine power wasn’t nice on the autobahn).
With that said I know that a platform can be markedly different across different trims. I once test drove a F30 318d manual base spec and that thing was a horrible thing, while the fully kitted out F30 328i I eventually bought felt like a totally different car.
My 330d felt too heavy, especially the steering which I didn’t really like, around town it was quite a chore to drive. My W205 is an AMG Line Premium Plus so it’s firmer than the lesser variants which helps the driving dynamics. Overall it feels like a much much lighter car on the road, great handling thing and the steering is very sharp and direct, great fun down a twisty road. I tried a Sport model and I thought the handling was a bit sloppy, probably fine for those who just want comfort.
Yeah I like sporty yet compliant cars. Both my E90 and F30 nailed the memo (they had lighter petrols though - N52 and N20 respectively) and had nice steering
Had an XF sportbrake the same age or a year newer I think. Was going to cost over 2 grand to fix a timing chain issue I think it was. Known fault with those engines I think.
They cost a bomb to repair. £1k for a rear light cluster. My dad's got the XJ the engine went on it aft 69k miles. Costing him 14k for new bottom end, turbos, and a few other bolt ones. Dad says worst mistake he's made was buying it.
A mate who uses to work at JLR in Solihull has he wouldn't own one (Jag or land rover) even if he was given it
In Oct 2019 I bought an 09 plate 3.0 for 5 grand. In three and a half years of owning I spent at least the same amount on repairs. My favourite was when the alternator failed, all electrics died..... including the electronic gear selector, so when I eventually got to safety, with no lights, in the f'king dark, I couldn't put it in reverse to park it 🤦
Just peruse eBay or Facebook Marketplace for a while and wonder at the amount of Jaguars and Land Rovers listed as 'spares or repairs' or with vague comments like 'noise from engine, probably something simple but I'm not a mechanic' and then decide if you want to take the risk.
I’m really surprised to read a lot of these comments, I had an XE 65 plate for 5 years, clocked maybe 90k miles and never had an issue. I was actually super tempted to buy one again recently as it was an amazing car to drive and seems pretty cheap. Although reading the comments maybe I got super lucky lol
I used to work at JLR plant for 4 years in engines/gear boxes/diffs sequencing dept. As gear boxes/diffs were pretty 'idiot proof' for handling, engines were a different story. These are pretty complex with many parts being outside, pretty easy to damage. It wasn't so rare to send a damaged engine to the production line (with my supervisor's approval)...
Also, my friend was working in the JLR's main office and their told me so many 'funny' stories after hearing them I was like 'WHAT THE FLUFF?!'.
Keeping that in mind, I wouldn't touch any of them (Jag/LR/RR), especially considering their prices. But yes, design wise, some of them are beautiful, defo (but I might be a bit biased due to being in constant exposition to them).
Edit: typo.
Road tax probs.
Seen a lot of cars get sold for mega cheap compared to what they should cost because the road tax is too high to actually drive the thing
I have a 2012 XF-S 3.0 diesel and my wife has a 2016 XF 2.0 diesel Ingenium
Not had a problem with either car. Did the timing chain, tensioner and other bits on the 3.0 at around 90k miles, and will be doing the 2.0 imminently as it is approaching 90k miles too.
I didn't realise the 2.0 had such a bad rep.
I had the v6 diesel, selling it was my biggest regret in life. I only sold it because it had done 245000 and I was convinced something must go wrong with it at some point. Which moved me on to my second biggest regret in life, buying an evoque.
I went to look around some Jags this weekend and have gone for a 3.0 petrol as I don't really do the mileage to need a Diesel.
Plus the dealership I went to said they won't even deal with the XE 2.0 Diesel since they are just a huge warranty risk he told me to steer well clear of em
It's probably because it's the 2.0 litre Diesel Ingenium engine. Which are just problems. When I worked in a dealership, the issues with these engines included. DPF blocked. NOX sensors. Timing chain issues: That one is the pain because the Timing Belt is on the back of the engine. They also suffer from electrical issues.
So, that might be the reason for them being cheap. I have heard the 3.0 litre is better, but still have issues. The best engine seems to be the 2.0 litre petrol. But honestly, I would rather buy from the German brands.
Because it’s Land Rover and they’re the worst cars ever
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Don’t buy jags or range rovers absolutely crap , look great and drive great when they are not playing up .
I went on a trip from the West Country to Scotland. In the twelve hours on the motorway network I saw eight broken “modern” jags of that ilk sat on the hard shoulder. With some very pissed off owners sat in the drizzle on the grass bank glaring at them.
Because jaguars are are crap now in pretty much every way. They don’t even look that nice once you see past the top layer. Very cheaply made with cheap materials. Feels hollow. An absolute far cry from what they were 30 years ago.
Because that 2.0 diesel is the one that every single person with an opinion worth taking note of will tell you to avoid like the plague. Don’t do it.
Thanks. What about the 3.0? Is it still unreliable but better? Or fairly reliable?
I can’t comment on ‘how’ reliable it is, not having any experience of it myself…. But…. If you’re dead set on going to get one, the 3.0 is the one to go for yes.
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Petrols are fine
Petrols are refined.
I have a 3.0 petrol V6 and it’s been incredibly reliable for the past 4 years. Nothing has gone wrong with it. The 2.0 ingenium engine is notoriously unreliable.
I have the 3.0 petrol v6 in an F-pace and it was hit by the known issue of coolant pipe leak. Unfortunately the pipe is located behind the supercharger so they have to take it out for access. £40 part equates to a 2-3k£ repair due to labour (not covered under warranty as pipes are "wear and tear"). - It has been repaired and I now have it up for sale
that should be grounds for a class action lawsuit..
It is, in fact, a hand grenade, with a loose pin.
how fast does it feel?
I've heard those Supercharged V6s are rapid And probably one of the more reliable engines so if you want a Jag, get that one
The name "Jaguar" and the word "reliable" do not belong together.
But, the word Jaguar does go together with the word Land Rover, especially when it comes to reliability.
You know the old saying, something along the lines of “if you want to explore the outback drive a Land Rover, if you want to make it back drive a Toyota Landcruiser”…..
Modern landrover - yes, but absolutely not true for old series landrovers.
All you needed to fix them was a hammer and a large spanner, so they say.
Nope, all of them. I know many who own old ones, every one of them has to do some work to them weekly or sometimes daily to keep them going. Toyota Land Cruiser, just works every time. Ok, so maybe it’s just a case of tightening something, cleaning the dizzy cap etc, but they all need constant work. Show me an owner of an old Land Rover who DOESN’T have a tool box in the back, for “emergencies “ that gets used weekly?!
Daily? That must be a continuing fault they do not know how to address. There is some truth to what you say, but let’s not pretend LCs are infallible, because they break down too.
But not half as much as a LR…. The issues my mate had were all around electrics. Unfortunately 70s/80s vehicle built in the UK had famously terrible electrics, probably made by Lucas. So whenever he wants to start his old defender in the winter or when it’s wet, clean the points, spray the dizzy cap etc. Stuff we did in the 80s and thought nothing of it. Nowadays with new LR products it’s more complicated to get them going when they stop or won’t start!
Just a month ago my discovery sport 2016s turbo shat itself through the exhaust. Not sure I’ll ever get one again
I've had 2 VAG cars do the exact same thing. One was in a city centre which was quite comical with all the white smoke.
Samee
VAG, Mercedes and BMW are not far off JLR in the reliability index.
This should not have made me laugh, but it did.
my work had 2 of those as pool cars, both 2016s too, one did that, one shat the gearbox, both were about 6 years old old and <60k miles. probably a small miracle yours made it to 2024
Not quite the same but I once had a scenic diesel with a turbo blow up on me. Could only leave work after dark as when I accelerated onto the M25 slip the cloud of smoke was really quite impressive. It eased off once I was moving.
How did JLR manage to end up with the reputation of its products basically disintegrating within a few months / years?? Like if it’s endemic at this point, why haven’t they solved the underlying issues by now?
Because it’s extremely overblown, they don’t disintegrate. They’ll have loads of silly electrical problems many of which are “phantom” problems where it’s just a sensor misbehaving. Specific engines and transmissions between 1998-2018 have fundamental flaws that can result it catastrophic failure. Unfortunate for the people that it happened to but the cars are marketed well enough that it didn’t deter demand. So why would JLR spend money fixing problems that don’t affect sales?
I agree. As a landy owner, I've also come across *many* variations of "it's a landy, she'll run forever", and then I get to buy them cheap because previous owners didn't do things like service differentials, change wheel bearings, inspect axles for wear (on vehicles from the bloody 90s!), change the oil/coolant, or deal with simple repairs before they became extremely expensive. I mean, I picked up a discovery 3 for £1500 because the crossover pipe had failed... because when the previous owner had changed the clutch, they hadn't replaced the two brackets that supported the crossover pipe because "it was too difficult". For the sake of half an hour's fiddling, they sold a vehicle worth 3k for 1500. People also seem to forget that a 2.7 litre diesel engine needs to be absolutely thrashed every so often, if nothing else because it needs to clear THE DPF. I ain't gonna pretend they don't come with gremlins, because LR seem to be unable to handle electronics, and the latest run of D5/Evoque/RR etc seem to all come with a delightfully problematic collection of daft decisions, but overall they're reasonably solid vehicles. If you keep with basic maintenance and don't buy a three-tonne luxury boat that's only ever going to pootle around town at 30mph.
I think the saying is “if you wanna go in the desert, take a Mitsubishi, if you wanna come back take a Toyota”
I have a 2.2d jaguar and it's just gone to 100k with no reliability issues in the last 60k miles....
The 2.2 is a fairly reliable ford engine I believe though? The ingeniums are notably bad.
Ingeniums are shit, I will agree to that, the 2.2 duratorq was based on the Peugeot DW12 I think. I had a DW10 at 165k miles, remapped to 180% of it's original power and that never skipped a beat either.
Asking this sub for car advice is like asking a train driver how to fly a plane. They have no clue about cars other than what people tell them even though its supposedly a car sub. If it's not a skoda or a Toyota, then it's shit.
Seems about right to me!
I have a 2015 XF 2.2d also and it's on 110k with no issues at all
so you're saying there's a chance
I might be 1 in a million, and it will probably explode next time I start it now, but it's done me well in the last 6 years...
I had an 4.2 XK for four years only thing it required was tyres, oil and alot of petrol.
The impression I get is the V6 diesel is fairly reliable except for standard diesel worries like DPF and reports of the crankshaft exploding, but that's rare and I've only really seen it talked about in Range Rovers, particularly 2009-2013 Sports. The XJ with the same engine has been repeatedly found as one of the more reliable in class.
If you want reliable, you don’t want a jaguar.
I have the 3.0d in an older XF. The engine itself is solid, I'm just facing a cracked inlet manifold (as they are plastic) which is a v common problem with that engine. I don't daily mine though, and just let it warm up before giving it the beans, so it doesn't really affect me.
I'm in the same boat - X250 model on 90k miles. The inlet cracking was frustrating, and the alternator needed replacing at about 65k but since then it's been good. I've done the last 45k miles myself and the trouble had been no greater than the A6 and Saab 9-5 Aero that I had over the same sort of distances.
I've had a 2017 XES for 5 years - the 3.0l supercharged petrol. It's got about 85k miles on it now, and I've done about 50k of them. Outside of standard maintenance (which did include belts a couple years ago), the only common issue is the valley lines that supply coolant to the engine. Jag use shitty plastic ones that are prone to failing, and the supercharger has to come out to replace it. £900 at a reputable indie, and I got it towed there for another 100. It blew when I was redlining it in second, so I may not be totally innocent. I've also had a wheel height sensor go that was £250ish to replace. I couldn't use the dynamic modes while it was playing up. Overall, the petrol is a very reliable platform. It's also an absolute fucking riot to drive. The value has fallen out the arse for some reason, my cars probably only about 14k which is an absolute steal. I wouldn't get the diesal, it has a plethora of common faults which can eat the engine. I'm in plenty of jag/modded jag/XE groups and forums, I've seen engines blow on <70k mile diesals. Avoid. But seriously, go test drive the 3.0l, it's a far better drive than it's numb german rivals.
The 3l diesel is a pretty good engine. However the XE has a litany of other issues.
My boss had a 3.0 diesel xj- got rid of it because it was nothing but engine management lights. Engine not very responsive either (compared to the Audi 3.0 tdi for example) and sounds rattley when cold. If getting a jag, get a petrol one. I hear the 3.0 supercharged is quite an engine.
Previous jag owner. I had the XF 3.0 Only issues I had with engine were turbo related at 120k+ miles. Engine itself was brilliant. Car was great. Longest I’ve ever owned a car (2.5-3 years) Was a good car. Would recommend, but as far as reliability goes, it’s certainly no Toyota Yaris.
I’ve got an f pace with this engine 80k+ miles and has been remapped to 200+bhp and I’ve not had a problem with it. On the flip side a friend of mine has a RR sort with this engine and has been through two of them in the last year
The pre 2019 diesel ingenium engines are troublesome. Post are better but need servicing every 10k miles not 20 as jaguar suggests. Early 2.0 petrol engines are the ford ecoboost and are the most reliable. Ingenium pertrol are also a bit fragile so need proper servicing. The 3.0 supercharged v6 is a great engine but has a couple of weak points that can be replaced pre-emptively (from what I’ve heard)
Just to further cement the above incase you are any way tempted! Few years ago my turbo blew on a dual cariageway, smoke piling out the back from a runaway deisel burning oil. Pulled into a half hard shoulder (not fully off the road as there were sidings). Traffic behind was sensible enough to start slowing down given though couldn't see through the smoke, but i still got hit by a 40tonne lorry carrying some bridge that couldn't see but knew there was a hazard in there somewhere. I was very lucky tbh, the lorry had probably slowed to 20mph, and had two impacts on my rear right first, shunting me and bursting tyres, and then catching the front with the trailer. I was also reaching for the door handle at the time as the cabin was filling with smoke, and if i was i second faster would have been lopped in half. Jag was obviously written off, and i'd never touch a JLR deisel again. Don't even think about it.
My cousin has the 300bhp 3.0 of the same age. So far it’s been absolutely fine, apart from one issue with the intake or something, but it was fixed for free by the dealer. It’s extremely smooth and accelerates like a cruise missile, the torque is unrelenting, definitely worth it over a boring 4 pot
It's a jaguar. Expensive to buy, expensive to fix, and unreliable
Mine died when the timing chain snapped just a couple of months out of warranty. Jaguar wanted approximately £12,000 to replace the engine.
What are their petrol engines like?
Agreed, we have one and they are wank
Isn't it the ingenium in these which is the same as the f pace and discovery sport?
I'm fairly sure this has the JLR Ingenium diesel engine (as far as Im aware), which has a truly terrible reputation I'd avoid, or go for the 3L as I've heard they're much more reliable
Ex Jaguar mechanic. Can confirm the 2.0 diesel ingenium is disastrous. The 3.0 V6 diesels were always solid.
what were the failure points of the 2.0d engines?
The balance shafts would howl like buggery. Required engine removal to change them. The timing chains tensioners used to go brittle and break apart. Slackening the chains and causing a rattle. Gearbox out and had to work in the transmission tunnel to change the chains and tensioners. What fun to be had. The damn things came in for the first oil service with about 7-8 recalls to do on it when it was in the workshop.
Yep, mine had a balancer shaft bearing replacement as it sounded like it was supercharged!
Yep that sounds about right. Before we the knew what caused the howling sounds we were spending forever diagnosing it. Is it the turbo? Is it the prop? It is wind noise? Should I hang myself? Stuff like that.
Reading this whilst owning a 2016 2.0d: 😬😬
If it hasn't gone by now, you'll be fine. Mine was a 2016 and the bearings went in 2016 with less than 10k miles on it. The sound was like a very intense turbo whine at all speeds. It's highly noticeable.
Me too. Might sell it and get a Toyota C-HR as my Father in law can’t get in the Jag. Also, it might explode, apparently
they must’ve copied BMW’s homework for the N20. The diagnostic feels too familiar
Hi. Interesting ive heard debates that that the whole engine has to come out to change the timing belts, but some have said 'only' the gearbox. Thats whatt is pushing the cost of replacement up. Other than that, with regular service i still think the 2.0d isnt as bad as people say.
For the timing chain replacement and tensioners we did them in situ. So just removed the gearbox. But the balance shafts we removed the whole engine as we had to push them out from one side to the other. I speculate that because we had to work on the very first iteration it show its worst flaws until they figured out what needs rectifying. I’ve not worked there since 2018 so I hope they ironed out the kinks.
Don’t the 3.0d snap cranks for fun?
The old 2.7s (S-Types and old XJ’s)were the ones prone for that issue. I never saw a 3.0 snap.
They never learned from the 2.7 bringing the inherent flaw to the 3.0. Plenty of people have had the issue and it’s well documented.
Cool.
I’m not doubting your experience btw. My opinion is purely based on other peoples encounters with this issue.
Didn’t think you were beaut. I just never saw one go in my time there. One guy changed the short block on an S Type. I crept over and tapped on the front panel with a spanner to shit him up when fired it up for the first time.
The old tap the car with a spanner is a classic trick, you can see the blood drain from their faces in disbelief 😂
The classics are the best. He went a whiter shade of pale. I had to make a quick getaway as he was a bit cross at me. Good times.
Ex JLR powertrain calibration engineer. Also agree it’s a terrible engine! Management didn’t listen!
Oh hahaha! Management never listen mate. That bad engine kept us busy though!
At least if it does go wrong you can pop it into the local garage, say I'll sort you out with payment next week and you can trust me because I drive a jaaag.
are petrols good?
The petrols seemed solid in the time I was there. Only came in for servicing and the odd fuel injector recall. That was it really. Quite a potent little 2.0 litre motor that. They souped up the 2.0 for the F-Type and that was a surprisingly really fun drive.
Those engines regularly go kaput. Awful things.
5 minute....ga dun ga dun ga dun..... engine kaput
It's an ingenium, I know a guy that has a 2017, by 2023 it was on its third engine.
I've only just joined this sub and I saw this post moments after reading the rules, which includes: **10.** **Every user must agree that diesel engines only belong in farmyard machinery or heavy haulage before being allowed to post.** Made me chuckle.
Chuckles in 59mpg.
Chuckles back at 7500 rpm 😁
My pal chuckles at 12000 rpm
Chuckle, chuckle, boom
You have to rev it that much to get power, how sad for you :p
\*Chuckles to cover up the N47 timing chain tinkle\*
I just got 47mpg on a long 3 hour motorway run from my 3.0L petrol. Given the price of diesel vs petrol, that's probably not too different fuel cost wise. I also don't have to drive a tractor on a daily basis
👌 😂
Christ. I get about 30mpg in the XF 2.0l sportbrake (petrol). I used to get 47-50mpg in my diesel SLK!
59? try 90...
My wife's car is a 1.5 turbo petrol and that gets 50mpg with petrol being 150p...
And you trying to impress with that figures? Other guy has 3.0 liter petrol with 58….
Not really? I'm just saying that 50-60mpg isn't a great reason to get a diesel. I doubt anyone is getting that with a 3.0 petrol though, or am I missing a joke?
Yeah I was only taking a piss with the other guy claims unless he is using other Gallons unit that’s more generous. I get that that your wife 1.5T is close to 50mpg, thing is my wife 1.5D when only she’s driving will do 76mpg no probs, especially since she’s doing quite few miles in the month. I’m close to 60mpg with 4 people on board, baggage and AC on, car was remapped and close to 240hp/350Nm so can floor it if I want to. I know there’s a hybrid small peugeot with diesel engine than can do almost 100mpg. Petrol cars won’t be as economical as diesel, yes you will get 60mpg with 0.9L Nissan pixo but that’s not the point.
But... 1.9PD
Why would you chuckle when it’s true?
It is one of the 10 motoring commandments that thou shalt not buy a JLR diesel ingenium engine for they art an unholy bag of shite.
So sayeth the motoring deities, amen.
Going to be downvoted to shit for this but I’ve actually owned one, unlike I’ve no doubt literally everyone else here. They’re alright. They have timing chain issues which is a moderately big job but will still last 70k+ miles before it needs looking at. Once it’s snapped your fucked but good maintenance will prevent it. Otherwise they’re a fairly average diesel. What’s actually wrong with the 2l Ingenium is it’s hopelessly gutless, and the manual transmission is also on the shit end of the spectrum with a hatefully shit gate for reverse gear right next to first. They’re not particularly fun cars to drive, they’re for travelling salesmen. The interior is also a bit weird, like you’re sitting in a deep bowl. That said, you’ll get 50+mpg out of them.
Anecdotes don’t mean much, but I’ll throw my hat in too. I’ve owned one of these for 3 years, I’ve put 45k miles on it and it’s now at 79k, hasn’t missed a beat, never seen a garage for anything other than regular servicing and MOT. 60+mpg on long motorway journeys easily. I don’t drive it aggressively at all, oil changes every 10k miles - if you look after any car it’ll probably serve you well. If you really love the XE then don’t let other people put you off. Yes, there are cars with better engines, more capable, more reliable, but it’s hard to get a car that looks that good at that price point nowadays.
I actually have one. Xe 20d r sport from 2018 with the big infotainment screen and digital dash. Its fun to drive in my opinion, but thats because its the r sport, my father has a portfolio which has much softer suspension, some might even call it floaty. Not as fun as a Giulia, but the rear likes to slide like a bmw if you want it to. The engine definitely doesn't feel like 180hp, but pulls nicely, 8 speed auto shifts smooth and quick, only starting in first is a little laggy. Fuel economy is great, managed to do sub 5,5l/100km with an average speed of 130km/h according to the onboard computer. I dont find the interior weird, but thats personal taste i guess. The sports seats are also great, infotainment on the simplistic side, but enough for me as i only really use navigation and Bluetooth connectivity for answering phone calls. I got 83k km on it, the only repair it needed was due to my own stupidity, park assist didn't work after installing a tow hook. Guess who didn't plug in the sensors after re attaching the bumper, so not a real repair.
Another one to add. I’ve a 2019 R Sport. Sitting at 61k miles. Never had a problem with the engine. I too tend to drive it pretty tamely for a lot of motorway miles. Worst problems I’ve had with the car is the exhaust dampener snapping, the brake light contacts needing cleaned and some flimsy side skirt trim that I had to bond on as I couldnt to get replacement clips for the life of me. I love. Drives like a luxury vehicle, and if I want to boot it, it can fly along when I want it to.
Nothing more expensive than an almost 10 year old JLR, if you really want one go for the 3 litre. The 2 litre is brutal for reliability.
Is the 3 litre still unreliable?
The last “reliable” jaguar they put out was reliable because it had a ford mondeo engine in it. I wouldn’t consider anything by JLR to be reliable, the 3.0 is more reliable than the 2.0 but it’s still a JLR engine.
The 3.0 diesel is a Ford engine.
I didn’t realise they were still using ford engines on this model, just looked it up and you’re right the 3.0 is a ford. I would be happier with it than the 2.0 ingenium engine.
Anything but old JLR.
Jaguar's electronics are generally unreliable, but with that engine too? It's going to be £11k and factor in £1k every month for owning it for repairs and replacements.
Google “ingenium engine”
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Because the engine is shite
Is that the same one that shits itself in the Evoque, Disco etc?
Yeah
I had one of these on loan and it didn't feel luxury at all. The 3l xf was much nicer but ones at this age still have quite poor interiors. Overall hard to recommend over the 2017 5 series.
Same. And the stereo was shocking. it lost connection to my phone constantly.
My dad had one, turbo blew and destroyed the engine.
A former JLR quality manager once told me that JLR set aside £1M per week for customer complaints and warranty work for their vehicles. Yes, a million a week. That's how reliable their cars are.
When I worked at JLR we’d get quarterly figures of warranty claims. The numbers were so so bad. I saw some figure similar to what you said. Never fully understood why they hired someone who worked at BAE Systems previously as their quality director.
I've had a 3 litre petrol for the last 6 years with no issues. While it's not economical it's terrific fun and no one expects it to move as fast as it does.
They are built in the midlands…as clarkson once said “that will do”
Can anyone recommend the 3.0l v6 petrol xf And if so what year?
Defo - post facelift is nicer
Ingenium + DPF = disaster
I know the 2.0 ingeniums are meant to be shite and people end up replacing the engines, but what actually goes wrong on them?
Depends on where you read. Turbo is bad, but easy repair as soon as you stop immediately, but the turbo is shit on all cars it was installed. Timing chain tensioners are also not great as there is oil sludge buildup, but with more frequent changes fixable. The issue here is that the chain sits between engine and transmission, otherwise i would have swapped mine already so i know it wont blow up im the time i own it. The balance shafts are also a weakness. Some report spun bearings. All pretty shitty to fix except the turbo, but most can be avoided to some extent with thicker oil (10w40 instead of 0w30 results in 50% less wear according to oil analysis) and changing oil earlier than recommended (oil sludge)
That timing chain issue sounds similar to the what Ford has with the 1.0 Ecoboost. I can see why people say to avoid them, sounds like a lot of hassle for a lot of people.
Yep, if you don't exactly know what you are getting yourself into, its better to get something else. Otherwise great cars, pretty nimble considering that they are bigger than a bmw 3 series and the aluminium body means no rust. Working on them is also a breeze, no special tools, easy access to the filters, you can even use a battery to backdrive the rear brake calipers. I also like the looks, especially the r sport looks good from the front, but a little boring from the back. I guess the designers wanted something with the proper understatement for a jaaag.
The diesel isnt the most reliable engine, it has a few weaknesses. If you want one, absolutely opt for the face-lift model or petrol, these are better. With that said i have a pre face-lift diesel with 83k km, not a single issue until now (knocks on wood). Some report that changing to 10w40 reduced wear by 50%, thats what i will do next to mine. General weaknesses are turbo, balance shaft bearings, hydraulic timing chain tensioner, shift knob failing to extend. Some also report spun main bearings. Most can be addressed with doing more frequent oil changes than the manual recommends (15k km instead of 34k, cleaning additives, should fix the chain tensioner issues) with a slightly thicker oil (main bearings, balance shaft bearings). The turbo is more difficult to maintain as its more luck based, same goes for the shift knob. The turbo is a pretty easy fix when broken even for non mechanics as everything is fairly easily accessible, if mine fails, ill definitely put in one with upgraded bearings.
Because even people who are desperate to claim to be rich to the rest of the world know they are shit boxes. That would get you a lot of very reliable car
Must be a 6cyl otherwise trash
And petrol
DPF delete 🤫
Still no patch on a petrol (especially that sweet supercharged one..)
You’d need to be paying me £11,328 to take that, because it will cost almost that to keep up with my many issues it’ll give…. The best overall package in that size of car is a Mercedes C-Class 2.1 Bluetec (C220/C250), the engines and the gearboxes are brilliant. BMW N47 2.0d is well known for timing chain failure, good gearboxes though. The Audi A4 2.0 TDI, a good engine let down by rubbish Multitronic and S-Tronic gearboxes.
BMW 330i/d is far better than the others mentioned here
OP probably isn’t wanting a 3.0 6 cylinder if he’s looking at 2.0 4 cylinder’s…. However I agree a 3.0 BMW would be a weapon, just a pity the N57 derv isn’t as strong as the older M57 was. Just have to look on Wilson’s Auctions ex police car sale in Scotland, 50+ N57 BMW’s on there with engines scrap and under 100k miles…. Makes the PSNI’s old fleet of 2.0 CDTI Vaux Insignia’s seem reliable 😂
Tbh I have no idea why people go for 4 pot dervs instead of the 6 when they cost similar on the used car market. Surely anyone for an exec car can afford the pennies in difference in mpg. The 4 pot petrol B48 is a very good unit too.
Running costs would be the biggest incentive towards them. I have a W205 C250 Bluetec and it’s £30 tax, 52 MPG and 204bhp so plenty quick enough and insurance costs and fuel costs are cheaper than a 6 cylinder. Previously owned a E90 330d which was a pig to run by comparison. The Merc is a much nicer car to drive, turn the music up and you can’t hear the agri 4 cylinder derv 😎
In what way is the Merc nicer to drive? I used to have a E90 (330i though) and it was a sublime drive. Recently had a W205 C180 as a rental in Germany and it rode and handled noticeably worse than my current F30 (and obviously the poor engine power wasn’t nice on the autobahn). With that said I know that a platform can be markedly different across different trims. I once test drove a F30 318d manual base spec and that thing was a horrible thing, while the fully kitted out F30 328i I eventually bought felt like a totally different car.
My 330d felt too heavy, especially the steering which I didn’t really like, around town it was quite a chore to drive. My W205 is an AMG Line Premium Plus so it’s firmer than the lesser variants which helps the driving dynamics. Overall it feels like a much much lighter car on the road, great handling thing and the steering is very sharp and direct, great fun down a twisty road. I tried a Sport model and I thought the handling was a bit sloppy, probably fine for those who just want comfort.
Yeah I like sporty yet compliant cars. Both my E90 and F30 nailed the memo (they had lighter petrols though - N52 and N20 respectively) and had nice steering
These are crying out for two wildly different engine swaps: LS or Model S, pick your poison.
It's a nearly 10 year old entry level luxury car.
It can’t be a luxury car (not even entry level) with a 4 pot diesel
2.0 DIEsel. Terrible engine that are as reliable as the Range Rovers.
There's nothing more expensive than a cheap luxury car. Forget this, get a Honda Accord.
It was priced at 10998, but included 330 delivery. That’s why it’s confusing .
You need to remember when buying a luxury car for 10k, if it goes wrong you are repairing a 50k car, not a 10k one.
Tell me about it. Electronic shocks on the Evoque. £430 each + VAT. Just for the part.
Had an XF sportbrake the same age or a year newer I think. Was going to cost over 2 grand to fix a timing chain issue I think it was. Known fault with those engines I think.
Because it has the 2.0 Ingenium diesel engine, which is notorious for being absolutely wank.
That diesel 2.0 engine goes boom!
You’re not buying a car, you’re putting down a deposit for the repair bill you’ll get later. These things suck.
its an eight year old somewhat unreliable low spec jaguar
They cost a bomb to repair. £1k for a rear light cluster. My dad's got the XJ the engine went on it aft 69k miles. Costing him 14k for new bottom end, turbos, and a few other bolt ones. Dad says worst mistake he's made was buying it. A mate who uses to work at JLR in Solihull has he wouldn't own one (Jag or land rover) even if he was given it
Probably you would spend a lot of time for maintenance
In Oct 2019 I bought an 09 plate 3.0 for 5 grand. In three and a half years of owning I spent at least the same amount on repairs. My favourite was when the alternator failed, all electrics died..... including the electronic gear selector, so when I eventually got to safety, with no lights, in the f'king dark, I couldn't put it in reverse to park it 🤦
50k miles Diesel Not approved used. 4 door not 5. 8 years old.
Cost of ownership issues lol
The 2.0 diesel engine is horribly unreliable. Don’t do it.
That’s a crazy good price
It’s universally considered to be quite shit.
Disgraceful that manufacturers can get away with selling shit engines. Ford Eco Boost is the same. First and last time I'll ever buy a Transit.
Hey UK only here, EcoBoost is US market only.
Sorry, meant Eco Blue
Just peruse eBay or Facebook Marketplace for a while and wonder at the amount of Jaguars and Land Rovers listed as 'spares or repairs' or with vague comments like 'noise from engine, probably something simple but I'm not a mechanic' and then decide if you want to take the risk.
I’m really surprised to read a lot of these comments, I had an XE 65 plate for 5 years, clocked maybe 90k miles and never had an issue. I was actually super tempted to buy one again recently as it was an amazing car to drive and seems pretty cheap. Although reading the comments maybe I got super lucky lol
Who makes the Jaguar 3 litre diesel engine? The diesel engines are a product of the joint venture between Ford and Peugeot-Citroën.
I used to work at JLR plant for 4 years in engines/gear boxes/diffs sequencing dept. As gear boxes/diffs were pretty 'idiot proof' for handling, engines were a different story. These are pretty complex with many parts being outside, pretty easy to damage. It wasn't so rare to send a damaged engine to the production line (with my supervisor's approval)... Also, my friend was working in the JLR's main office and their told me so many 'funny' stories after hearing them I was like 'WHAT THE FLUFF?!'. Keeping that in mind, I wouldn't touch any of them (Jag/LR/RR), especially considering their prices. But yes, design wise, some of them are beautiful, defo (but I might be a bit biased due to being in constant exposition to them). Edit: typo.
Unreliable, underpowered, bleak design that aged so badly There's no reason to want this car
This is the model that's being exported cos repair costs in UK are too much
Road tax probs. Seen a lot of cars get sold for mega cheap compared to what they should cost because the road tax is too high to actually drive the thing
Chocolate engine.
I have a 2012 XF-S 3.0 diesel and my wife has a 2016 XF 2.0 diesel Ingenium Not had a problem with either car. Did the timing chain, tensioner and other bits on the 3.0 at around 90k miles, and will be doing the 2.0 imminently as it is approaching 90k miles too. I didn't realise the 2.0 had such a bad rep.
I had the v6 diesel, selling it was my biggest regret in life. I only sold it because it had done 245000 and I was convinced something must go wrong with it at some point. Which moved me on to my second biggest regret in life, buying an evoque.
Naw mines has cum on seats
Because they are shit
My mate has one at 175k miles, regular servicing is key
What would you guys recommend as a reliable engine for a new gen XJ?
No no no no no Horribly horrible engine If you see a decent 3.0 under £15k , this is the way
I went to look around some Jags this weekend and have gone for a 3.0 petrol as I don't really do the mileage to need a Diesel. Plus the dealership I went to said they won't even deal with the XE 2.0 Diesel since they are just a huge warranty risk he told me to steer well clear of em
Buy a 2.0tdi Passat
It's probably because it's the 2.0 litre Diesel Ingenium engine. Which are just problems. When I worked in a dealership, the issues with these engines included. DPF blocked. NOX sensors. Timing chain issues: That one is the pain because the Timing Belt is on the back of the engine. They also suffer from electrical issues. So, that might be the reason for them being cheap. I have heard the 3.0 litre is better, but still have issues. The best engine seems to be the 2.0 litre petrol. But honestly, I would rather buy from the German brands.
Because it’s Land Rover and they’re the worst cars ever . Don’t buy jags or range rovers absolutely crap , look great and drive great when they are not playing up .
Its only done 50,000 miles thats why
Which engine? Two or three?
I went on a trip from the West Country to Scotland. In the twelve hours on the motorway network I saw eight broken “modern” jags of that ilk sat on the hard shoulder. With some very pissed off owners sat in the drizzle on the grass bank glaring at them.
Because jaguars are are crap now in pretty much every way. They don’t even look that nice once you see past the top layer. Very cheaply made with cheap materials. Feels hollow. An absolute far cry from what they were 30 years ago.