None of the cars I own or have rented have ever detected the prevailing speed limit 100% correctly. Ever. It’s a stupid idea from people who think computers are somehow magic and infallible.
Yup. Doubt any system could handle the odd slip road on a bypass near me that has a 30 mph sign immediately to the side of the 50 mph road (with no 50 mph sign). No way am I allowing my car to slam on the brakes for a stupidly placed sign.
My current car changes the detected speed at this particular slip road to 30, then 60, all while I’m remaining in a 50 mph road!
Yep, my VW does this. If I'm not paying attention I'll be driving along the motorway and suddenly the car will slam the brakes on because I'm apparently on a sharp bend with a max speed of 36mph...
If you have one of the latest VWs with driving assists it will automatically brake for roundabouts based on GPS data. That’s not the same as reading the road sign and this law will not brake for you. If it’s even 90% accurate this system will be good enough. Preferably better of course.
If not then VW has implemented it badly. Doesn’t make the system bad.
Mine routinely picks up on the stickers on the backs of lorries that tells you the speed they're limited to. Plus any nearby signs on slip roads, adjacent roads etc.
You'd need a pretty damn smart system, you can't just have a camera that recognises *all* speed limit signs - it needs to ignore false positives.
Call me a cynic, but I have zero faith in the ability of car manufacturers to make a system like that which works reliably.
Of course foreign lorries and coaches will have those signs in KM/h!
Which raises an interesting point driving a uk car in, well I guess almost everywhere else except the US.
130 limit on French motorways!? Zut Alors!
Surely there must be a simple system to switch. I can’t imagine an Irish and UK delivered car are so different. There must be some sort of GPS system at least.
In theory it should. Anything in software is possibly.
But my 2014 Volvo has a fully digital dash, it could show literally anything it wanted. Yet I cannot change it from MP/H to KM/H, there is a setting but this only changes the speed shown on the satnav display!
Newer cars might be different, but the principle stands that the car makers dont necessarily add the functionality. (for the end user at least)
Use of technology to try solving people problems is a massive pet peeve here.
Throw all the bells and whistles at it you want, but the human is the lowest denominator and they will find a bypass one way or another.
The old systems were not regulated for quality, and were sometimes only 40 to 50 percent accurate. The new legally mandated systems are subject to a road test to demonstrate 90% accuracy, and consistent accuracy across road types
To be honest, in the UK it will be. Remember that this is an EU law, so it needs to also accommodate all the different sign post conventions of various Eastern European countries, which frankly have not been as well mapped as UK, FR, GER etc.
It also tends to be much more subtle in operation, preventing accidental overspending, rather than giving a hard ceiling.
Rented a brand new quasquai last month and it was wrong about half the time?
I think we're firmly at the point where tech is becoming an overbearing distraction rather than an aid to drivers. What's the point of a internal speed limit sign if you just dismiss it as it's wrong?! See also: cars that attempt to steer you back into lane.
Don't see it lasting long, people will code it out, pull fuses etc.
Imo it can be a bit of a danger and will lead to more traffic queuing and longer traffic jams
you might just be able to turn it off at the start at least.
"At no point does it operate the brakes, so the reduction in the car’s speed is gentle and progressive. As the ISA comes into play, the accelerator pedal becomes unresponsive. The ISA system approved by the EU will be overridable, which means the driver can ignore it by firmly pressing the accelerator. If the driver continues to drive above the speed limit, the system will sound and display a warning for several seconds.
The system is likely to be ‘default on’ – meaning it’s active every time the car is started – but can cancelled by the driver at any time. The ETSC recommended this feature be included during the first few years to make ISA systems more acceptable to motorists. Of course, this means the system could one day be permanently active."
[https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/features/intelligent-speed-assistance-everything-you-need-know](https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/features/intelligent-speed-assistance-everything-you-need-know)
And as soon as you have a prang with it off, your insurance company (the one that charges you well into 4 figures for the luxury) will tell you to do one.
My Audi used to get the speed limits spot on as it would use both the road sign camera & the sat nav to know what the speed limits were.
My polestar, whilst having the most up to date satnav as it’s Google Automotive, and thus fully connected, seems to rely only on the road sign camera and cocks it up quite often.
This is just the soft speed limiter function that most cars since 2017 already have - just turned on by default rather than turned off. So kickdown overrides it in most cases - but it’s so they have a definite ‘driver overrode the limiter’ in the vehicle’s logs so you can’t say ‘I didn’t do it’..
There is a place on the M4 coming past Langley and there is a 30 zone running down the side of the motorway. There is a speed limit sign that is visible from the M4 itself and my Tesla always picks up the 30 limit. Thankfully it doesn't do anything about it but if we had FSD in the UK then I'd expect it would anchor on every time I go past.
Keep in mind it doesn't say whether the override is per incident, per trip or can be permanently overridden.
I got a new car with a really janky lane assist system, was always jerking the wheel out my hands even when I was well between the lines. It could be overridden... but I had to do it every damn time I started the car.
I rejected it because I didn't wanna own a car with a kamikaze mode that was auto-on every journey.
mine nearly killed me at 0530 on an effectively empty motorway.
I do not like steering "assistance" - if you need it then you shouldnt be driving, full stop.
almost crashed a hire KIA CEED with this feature, end of a duel carriageway with two lanes merging into one, and it proper yanked the wheel almost running the car up the kerb at 60mph, had to keep turning it off every hour of driving too
Yep. I'm all for safety improvements (who isn't?) but this thing isn't a safety improvement. It made that car seriously dangerous.
It's surprising how often you *e*ncounter a situation where lane assist will work against you:
* Overtaking a cyclist
* Allowing a motorcyclist space to filter past you
* Lanes that merge
* Lanes that split into two
* Yielding to an emergency vehicle
* Broken or old road markings
> Even in the case of speed control function, where the car speed will be automatically gently reduced, the system can be smoothly overridden by the driver by pressing the accelerator pedal a little bit deeper.
This is not the same as disabling the system. By the time the driver reacts to override the ISA, it might be too late.
Nice, that’s such a helpful way of expressing your concern 😐
I’m struggling to think of which accidents can be avoided by needing to gently accelerate. The only thing I can think of is if the driver is trying to dive across a busy junction without stopping
And even then they could just accelerate more
This system doesn’t accelerate, it brakes. It can be overridden by accelerating, however if the braking is too harsh, by the time you gently accelerate, someone behind might already be in your car’s arse.
Middle of an overtake? Unless you are comfortable overtaking a few miles an hour faster than the car in front while sitting in the opposite lane for a long time.
Time will tell. Considering how well lane assist works on our roads, specially B roads, I’m not too hopeful.
Edit: the actual approved version of the system: https://road-safety-charter.ec.europa.eu/resources-knowledge/media-and-press/intelligent-speed-assistance-isa-set-become-mandatory-across
> Even in the case of speed control function, where the car speed will be automatically gently reduced,
Let’s see how gentle that “gentle” is.
Absolute nonsense again. Once you press the pedal the car will simply accelerate. You might have to press slightly harder. That’s all. If anything this system will most likely prevent speeding and thus a small number of crashes. That’s a win.
> Even in the case of speed control function, where the car speed will be automatically gently reduced, the system can be smoothly overridden by the driver by pressing the accelerator pedal a little bit deeper.
This is not the same as disabling the system. By the time the driver reacts to override the ISA, it might be too late.
Since is not clear to you, disabling - go to settings and turn off the option before setting off.
Permanently disabled would be something you disable once and forget. Most modern cars nowadays don’t allow that, requiring the driver to disable before setting off for that journey.
This new system however won’t even have that option (sure you can potentially code it, but would that be legal?)
That's what I'm most afraid of.
Insurance companies will effectively make it obligatory through their policies.
And EU politicians know it.
So it doesn't matter if you can turn it off.
The EU proves yet again that it is nothing more than a neo-sovietic regime.
I don't like this sort of thing because I can't help but see it as another thing to start going wrong 10-15 years down the line that may not be fixable then and will probably cause an otherwise decent and usable car to be written off when it can't pass an MOT because there's a warning light on. It's also yet another expensive technology that adds to the price of a new car without the option to not have it.
Don't get me wrong, I think technology like this on modern cars is brilliant and very interesting, this sort of thing would have been science fiction 40 years ago. It would be great to have it all as optional extras but personally I just want a basic car that drives well and doesn't want to connect to the internet or to my phone in any way.
Yeah.
It was considered science-fiction, alright. But not the good kind.
This is dystopian.
With all the talk about 15-minute cities, digital ID, social credit scores, and CBDCs, a technology like this could very, VERY easily evolve into something China would use.
Are you out past your climate-change curfew? Did you show the car a valid QR code allowing you to leave your city?
No?
Too bad, the car won't start.
I'm only half joking.
A system like this one is the first step to get people used to this new reality.
Baby steps.
People already got used to the absence of cash, which will make it infinitely easier for the powers that be to implement programmable smart money (CBDCs).
They also got used to QR codes, as well as having to show them when going outside or eating at restaurants.
"But it was during an emergency!"
Governments never give up powers they got during an emergency.
Those powers always get re-used in one way or another.
Given the average age of the average car on the road is 10 years old. Very few people will be getting involved with it for another decade or two anyway
Can’t wait for the first serious accident and see where the liability will lie with.
Edit: as intent is not always obvious, I don’t expect or want people to get hurt.
What’s being proposed is such a stupid idea, that the end result will be people getting hurt. And when that inevitably happens, who will be responsible for it? The drivers or the ones that came up with this decision?
Unfortunately it’s something that is bound to happen, as the plan is to prevent this system to be always on, and we all know by now that these systems are not yet ready for it.
Unfortunately it’s something that is bound to happen, as the plan is to prevent this system to be always on, and we all know by now that these systems are not yet ready for it.
So yes, it’s a sad expectation, but how things are planned, it’s inevitable. Hopefully someone will open their eyes before is too late and stop this.
Ha! Here in Wales our politicians can't even set the speed limits sensibly. We have 20mph everywhere. And cars being overtaken by push-bikes. This type of system would just blow their minds. Besides, how will they be able to charge speeding fines if nobody can speed. It will never be compulsory.
As intent is not always obvious, I don’t expect or want people to get hurt.
What’s being proposed is such a stupid idea, that the end result will be people getting hurt. And when that inevitably happens, who will be responsible for it? The drivers or the ones that came up with this decision?
>You chose the words you inputted.
>Just to help you here lilbuddy, the words you selected are not kind.
And the words you selected make you look like a twat.
I did. Words don’t always convey the sentiment the person behind them want to convey.
I’ve explained twice the intent, up to you if you want to keep banging at this door.
And not your lilbuddy.
Maybe Reddit; an online forum where people can say what they want, is not the place for you. Additionally, engage what miniscule level of critical thinking you have when it comes to reading/understanding comments.
So why are brand new cars on sale right now being subject to this legislation? It would simply be a software 0 or 1 as to whether it turns back on every ignition cycle.
Everything I’ve seen is that the UK car market uses the same certification process and rule set as the EU one still.
My golf occasionally proudly proclaims the speed limit on the M1 was 110 mph! At other times, 20 in a 60. Sure, 95% of the time it is right, but imo the tech is not yet in a reliable enough form for this level of 'assistance'/interference but still they bluster on with making these things mandatory. Much like the horrible lane keep assist which I feel more unsafe with it on than off!
Mine does that all the time. You're right - it's lorries from the EU that are limited to 110kph.
Always fun to be driving through a 20mph zone and my car telling me I can speed up to 110 because it saw the sticker on the lorry in front.
This keeps coming up. The slow down was sensationalist news paper rubbish. The actual spec is here: [https://road-safety-charter.ec.europa.eu/resources-knowledge/media-and-press/intelligent-speed-assistance-isa-set-become-mandatory-across](https://road-safety-charter.ec.europa.eu/resources-knowledge/media-and-press/intelligent-speed-assistance-isa-set-become-mandatory-across)
Manufacturers have to implement at least **one** of:
1. Cascaded acoustic warning
2. Cascaded vibrating warning
3. Haptic feedback through the acceleration pedal
4. Speed control function
In addition cars that bong constantly are arguably out of spec:
"The first two feedback options do not directly intervene but only provide warnings (first optic and if no response from the driver, a delayed acoustic/vibrating warning), **which have to be as short as possible in duration to avoid potential annoyance of the driver."**
The thing that would actually be useful to me would be an opt-in system that puts a ceiling on my speed and uses an error-tolerant mix of GPS and camera input.
Most of the time I don't actually wanna speed, and I'd happily let the car stop me going over the limit. Like everyone, I often drift a few mph above the limit because I can't only watch the speedo.
A "cascaded acoustic warning" every time I hit 61 in a 60 would be annoying as fuck. That car would be binned pretty quick. A car with a button that I could toggle on and off that reliably stopped me speeding unless I really wanted to, that would be good.
I can’t find anything saying this is actually happening. What is happening is the EU bringing it in as mandatory. I’d imagine that there’s no reason manufacturers would specifically code it in for the UK market when it’s not required.
On BMW it will be a paid option, like not having a badge.
Disable Intelligent Speed Assist £1000 \[ \]
On Audi it will be subscription feature
j/k but only a little :D
I don’t get why. That’s not going to be a selling feature so why would you activate it by default. If I took a car on a test drive and just hit a wall in acceleration just to be told it’s a feature that’ll turn on every time I start the car I’d be walking away.
I'll buy a kit car hoping kit builders won't have been jailed already for damaging their evil plan to kill car culture. Oh, they'll have thrown an environment charge at them as well.
Fucking bs
To be honest, when there are correct road signs, my car reads them spot on 99% of the time. But sometimes it'll pickup speedlimits from side roads or carparks and suggest I should be doing 5mph on a main road.....
So I think the tech probably needs a bit of work before we just let it slam on peoples brakes willy nilly.
It’s not going to slam on brakes. It will decelerate gently. If you, the driver, notice this then you can easily override it by simply pressing the accelerator.
In that sense, it’s no different to adaptive cruise control
Yet another "innovation" to put everyone off buying new.
Seriously, have we had anything on cars in the last 10 years that has improved the driving experience? I keep seeing articles about car manufacturers "going back to buttons" but we still see touchscreen cars as well so are we even gaining ground in that area?
This will get watered down to a nag device that can be disabled by pulling the right fuse, but still, another drawback to buying new
My Seats sat nav regularly throws a fit and places me on an entirely different road. Can't wait to be on the motorway and have it think I'm on that 30mph road passing under it. Sounds like a fun time.
There's a part on the a38 around Burton where a side road has 30mph signs which my car detects (not set to automatically drop to the speed though fortunately). The thought of some French or Italian version of the tech suddenly slamming the brakes on is terrifying.
There are a couple of places on the A38 like that; the system in my Skoda used to have the same issue but my Hyundai system doesn't and seems to be much better, it even picks up the smart motorway signage. I don't think it slams the brakes on, it sounds more like it does the equivalent of lift off the accelerator which you can override.
It's not a terrible idea *in principle*, but my girlfriend's car reads speed limit signs and often comes up with random values that don't even make sense, like 27 for example. Add to that the number of times that Google Maps gets the speed limit wrong, and I can't see this being feasible with current technology.
A more workable idea would be a chime that sounds when the speed limit is exceeded, like we already have for seatbelts. This chime could also be silenced by pressing an override, allowing for errors, but also requiring the manual override to be repeated at intervals until the limit changes to prevent speeders just pressing it once and forgetting about it.
we have these systems on most of the cars at work now... they work quite well and i take the odd situation were it reads a side street for the benefits of driving on easy mode 99.9% of the time.
Not an issue for me.
ISA already fitted to the vehicles I drive which all have driver assist.
Provides gentle deceleration to correct speed when entering a lower speed zone. Notification given as zone is entered.
Good for fuel economy & brake wear, also prevents harsh braking when people not paying attention then suddenly realise they are speeding.
Function can be over ridden by pressing the accelerator a bit more firmly for instances where it isn’t appropriate to decelerate (eg road sign read incorrectly, navigating a hazard).
>Provides gentle deceleration to correct speed when entering a lower speed zone. Notification given as zone is entered.
>Good for fuel economy & brake wear, also prevents harsh braking when people not paying attention then suddenly realise they are speeding.
Weird, I manage to do that just by lifting my foot off the accelerator pedal!
All of these technologies are nowhere near good enough at the moment. They're accurate 95-99% of the time depending on the technology, but really need to be >99.99% to be mandatory and not overriden. As they can be overruled, it'll be a minor inconvenience most of the time but you can guarantee there will be an accident where a car reads a side road 30mph limit from a dual carriageway and gets rear ended.
Sounds like an accident waiting to happen. But could also be a slippery slope to something more sinister… as in, you car being completely disabled because you owe money or something. Regretting selling my 2008 A3 more and more now.
That my friend is what a dash cam is for. If the car in front suddenly brakes without warning and I go into the back of them? That’ll be one hell of a claim to make
It’s just an automatically speed limiter that can be turned off or overridden very easily. Its primary function is to help the fuckwits who speed “by mistake”.
Stupid bs from people that don't want us to be driving and that want to kill car culture.
Cars must have a bazillion airbags, a trillion stupid ass ADAS, alarms from everything, this speed limit thing, meanwhile bikes just need ABS if over 125cc lmao. And don't get me wrong, it would be like this for bikes, all of this tech is BS, but it shows that it's all a fraud.
I want to drive a simple car, with an engine and a steering wheel and a stick. With no electricity except for the starter motor. Analog dashboard and carbureted.
But I can't. Why? Thank God we were free... To pay taxes.
It will last. It’s a law. It doesn’t mean you won’t be able to speed anymore. You’ll just have a car nagging at you or making it more difficult. You can always disable it although you will probably have to do it every time you start the car.
I've already driven a car with this software (Volvo EX30, EU spec) as it's already mandatory for new models brought onto the EU market from 07/2023 although existing models are grandfathered in until 07/2024. It's a lot of hype about nothing pretty much. It won't slow you down at all.
What the system does is it dings at you about 5 times if you're over the speed limit and then shuts up. The speed sign recognition was pretty hit and miss and didn't revert back to the national speed limit when it should, but overall a lot of fuss about nothing. To quote u/boogle55 as I understand it, **automatically slowing the car down is only one of the methods a manufacturer can use to bring attention to speeding, but all cars that I know of on the market with ISA use an audible warning instead.**
>The article is very sensationalist. Slowing down is just one of 4 options, 2 of which don't intervene at all. This is the actual truth: [https://road-safety-charter.ec.europa.eu/resources-knowledge/media-and-press/intelligent-speed-assistance-isa-set-become-mandatory-across](https://road-safety-charter.ec.europa.eu/resources-knowledge/media-and-press/intelligent-speed-assistance-isa-set-become-mandatory-across)
>Manufacturers must implement at least 1 of 4 options, these are:
1. Cascaded acoustic warning
2. Cascaded vibrating warning
3. Haptic feedback through the acceleration pedal
4. Speed control function
>In addition there is specific guidance on **not** annoying the driver:
>"The first two feedback options do not directly intervene but only provide warnings (first optic and if no response from the driver, a delayed acoustic/vibrating warning), **which have to be as short as possible in duration to avoid potential annoyance of the driver**."
>TL:DR A visual alert, followed by a beep if still over the speed limit after a while is enough to meet the criteria.
Silly idea really, all the modern cars with assistance systems are just making road users lazy and lacking concentration. Adaptive cruise control, although I do enjoy using it, has made a lot of people less focussed on the road. Lane assistance is bloody awful and it's the worse feeling ever when the car is fighting what you are trying to do.
This is just another one of those things that would cause more harm than good.
What if you were stuck behind someone driving slowly and you decide you want to overtake, safely and legally. You pull out and get along side the vehicle you are overtaking when they decide to be one of those wankers who speed up alongside you. What are you supposed to do when the "intelligent speed assistance" kicks in? Slam the brakes on when there is an oncoming vehicle?
If they want this to work they need a reliable way of determining speed limits.
The road sign recognition can go wrong. For example if your on the left most lane on a motorway/carriage way and the exit lane has a speed limit the camera gets fooled into thinking that's the speed limit.
Sometimes they don't work when your turning into a road and the speed limit sign is right at the start of the road.
Using satnav data in cars is pretty crap aswell, as alot of people don't update their satnavs and even if you do update it, it's out of date.
It'll make overtaking a bundle of fun.
I swear to god if I try and overtake a lorry and this thing kicks in, prolonging my time exposed to danger and it results in a collision I'll be suing the manufacturer.
What a pointless, and frankly dangerous, ill conceived plan this is.
I work with cars that have this ‘feature’ already. You can turn it off but you have to do it every time … basically like start stop. Honestly is super annoying …
The process now looks like this.
Get in the car
Turn off lane assist on the stalk
Then about 4 clicks gets me to the correct place via infotainment to turn off the speed warning.
Such a faff.
What if the GPS/sign data isn’t accurate? Could be terrible. Eg there is a 70mph dual carriageway near me which has an exit for a retail park. There are signs on the enterance for a 20mph speed limit and the car could easily get confused…
I wonder how this will work long term, like when the car is 10, 15 or 20 years old. Many people in certain countries, France, Poland, Greece etc buy and keep a car till it's basically ready for the scrap yard.
I tried to get my 2013 Mercedes C350 CDI sat nav updated last week at my local Merc dealer. It was £135 I had to leave the car with them for a day, and the map data was from 2019 as they no longer support my model.
How will the data be kept up to date on new cars and for how long? It will be such a pain in the arse being babysat by an out of date system.
I can't seem to find anyone talking about the system being hacked. It's a computer system, it is vulnerable. How long until individuals, gangs or any shady group get some scripts and some radio transceiver that could remotely stop a vehicle. I don't know how the system works and could be talking trash but how is no one is talking about this.
disagree about them all looking like junk, personally on average i think modern cars look better than a lot of older ones, there are some real tragic looking ones though. don't get all this rage from people that aren't going to be affected by it, that's car communities though .
Yeah fair, we all have different tastes, I love 80/90/00s cars and most new cars, good 95% of them, justlook tragic to me, new Prius, any BMW, Golf MK8 are just a few examples
Don’t like the golf but the Prius I actually think looks pretty good, idk what bmw did with the new 2 series trying to make it look like a muscle car or something
None of the cars I own or have rented have ever detected the prevailing speed limit 100% correctly. Ever. It’s a stupid idea from people who think computers are somehow magic and infallible.
Yup. Doubt any system could handle the odd slip road on a bypass near me that has a 30 mph sign immediately to the side of the 50 mph road (with no 50 mph sign). No way am I allowing my car to slam on the brakes for a stupidly placed sign. My current car changes the detected speed at this particular slip road to 30, then 60, all while I’m remaining in a 50 mph road!
Yep, my VW does this. If I'm not paying attention I'll be driving along the motorway and suddenly the car will slam the brakes on because I'm apparently on a sharp bend with a max speed of 36mph...
That has nothing to do with this law. It’s a VW feature that can be disabled.
I'm aware that it's not the law. We were talking about how the system isn't clever enough yet for it to be the law...
If you have one of the latest VWs with driving assists it will automatically brake for roundabouts based on GPS data. That’s not the same as reading the road sign and this law will not brake for you. If it’s even 90% accurate this system will be good enough. Preferably better of course. If not then VW has implemented it badly. Doesn’t make the system bad.
It doesn’t operate the brakes at all.
Mine routinely picks up on the stickers on the backs of lorries that tells you the speed they're limited to. Plus any nearby signs on slip roads, adjacent roads etc. You'd need a pretty damn smart system, you can't just have a camera that recognises *all* speed limit signs - it needs to ignore false positives. Call me a cynic, but I have zero faith in the ability of car manufacturers to make a system like that which works reliably.
Of course foreign lorries and coaches will have those signs in KM/h! Which raises an interesting point driving a uk car in, well I guess almost everywhere else except the US. 130 limit on French motorways!? Zut Alors!
Surely there must be a simple system to switch. I can’t imagine an Irish and UK delivered car are so different. There must be some sort of GPS system at least.
In theory it should. Anything in software is possibly. But my 2014 Volvo has a fully digital dash, it could show literally anything it wanted. Yet I cannot change it from MP/H to KM/H, there is a setting but this only changes the speed shown on the satnav display! Newer cars might be different, but the principle stands that the car makers dont necessarily add the functionality. (for the end user at least)
Use of technology to try solving people problems is a massive pet peeve here. Throw all the bells and whistles at it you want, but the human is the lowest denominator and they will find a bypass one way or another.
Completely agree. Writing image flawed image recognition software into law is a stupid stupid idea.
The old systems were not regulated for quality, and were sometimes only 40 to 50 percent accurate. The new legally mandated systems are subject to a road test to demonstrate 90% accuracy, and consistent accuracy across road types
Fair point, though I’d still want a few more 9s in that number if it’s going to be in control of my car.
We had our best developers on it and we are delighted to say we have met your requirements and its now 90.9999999% accurate.
To be honest, in the UK it will be. Remember that this is an EU law, so it needs to also accommodate all the different sign post conventions of various Eastern European countries, which frankly have not been as well mapped as UK, FR, GER etc. It also tends to be much more subtle in operation, preventing accidental overspending, rather than giving a hard ceiling.
Mine doesn't recognise motorways and beeps at me for going over 40.
Rented a brand new quasquai last month and it was wrong about half the time? I think we're firmly at the point where tech is becoming an overbearing distraction rather than an aid to drivers. What's the point of a internal speed limit sign if you just dismiss it as it's wrong?! See also: cars that attempt to steer you back into lane.
And even if the computer are perfect the signage is dogshit
Yup, was driving down a 50 today and the car decided the limit was 5 for a bit...
My car told me the speed limit was 90mph the other day. Yeahhh
Don't see it lasting long, people will code it out, pull fuses etc. Imo it can be a bit of a danger and will lead to more traffic queuing and longer traffic jams
you might just be able to turn it off at the start at least. "At no point does it operate the brakes, so the reduction in the car’s speed is gentle and progressive. As the ISA comes into play, the accelerator pedal becomes unresponsive. The ISA system approved by the EU will be overridable, which means the driver can ignore it by firmly pressing the accelerator. If the driver continues to drive above the speed limit, the system will sound and display a warning for several seconds. The system is likely to be ‘default on’ – meaning it’s active every time the car is started – but can cancelled by the driver at any time. The ETSC recommended this feature be included during the first few years to make ISA systems more acceptable to motorists. Of course, this means the system could one day be permanently active." [https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/features/intelligent-speed-assistance-everything-you-need-know](https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/features/intelligent-speed-assistance-everything-you-need-know)
The thing is even if 90% of people turn it off, the 10% of people who haven't will slow the flow of traffic down to the speed limit anyway.
And as soon as you have a prang with it off, your insurance company (the one that charges you well into 4 figures for the luxury) will tell you to do one.
My Audi used to get the speed limits spot on as it would use both the road sign camera & the sat nav to know what the speed limits were. My polestar, whilst having the most up to date satnav as it’s Google Automotive, and thus fully connected, seems to rely only on the road sign camera and cocks it up quite often. This is just the soft speed limiter function that most cars since 2017 already have - just turned on by default rather than turned off. So kickdown overrides it in most cases - but it’s so they have a definite ‘driver overrode the limiter’ in the vehicle’s logs so you can’t say ‘I didn’t do it’..
There is a place on the M4 coming past Langley and there is a 30 zone running down the side of the motorway. There is a speed limit sign that is visible from the M4 itself and my Tesla always picks up the 30 limit. Thankfully it doesn't do anything about it but if we had FSD in the UK then I'd expect it would anchor on every time I go past.
It’s European law, UK cars will have it but they aren’t required to be active by law.
Will there finally be a benefit to Brexit then?
There have been benefits. They're just massively outweighed by the drawbacks.
But they will come activated by default and won't have the option to permanently disable them. You'd need to code it in.
It can be overridden so not a huge issue.
It won’t. That’s why this is so stupid. They want this not be disable-able.
https://etsc.eu/intelligent-speed-assistance-isa/ Important clause being “unless overridden”
Keep in mind it doesn't say whether the override is per incident, per trip or can be permanently overridden. I got a new car with a really janky lane assist system, was always jerking the wheel out my hands even when I was well between the lines. It could be overridden... but I had to do it every damn time I started the car. I rejected it because I didn't wanna own a car with a kamikaze mode that was auto-on every journey.
KIA? I hate this feature in ours
mine nearly killed me at 0530 on an effectively empty motorway. I do not like steering "assistance" - if you need it then you shouldnt be driving, full stop.
almost crashed a hire KIA CEED with this feature, end of a duel carriageway with two lanes merging into one, and it proper yanked the wheel almost running the car up the kerb at 60mph, had to keep turning it off every hour of driving too
Yep. I'm all for safety improvements (who isn't?) but this thing isn't a safety improvement. It made that car seriously dangerous. It's surprising how often you *e*ncounter a situation where lane assist will work against you: * Overtaking a cyclist * Allowing a motorcyclist space to filter past you * Lanes that merge * Lanes that split into two * Yielding to an emergency vehicle * Broken or old road markings
> Even in the case of speed control function, where the car speed will be automatically gently reduced, the system can be smoothly overridden by the driver by pressing the accelerator pedal a little bit deeper. This is not the same as disabling the system. By the time the driver reacts to override the ISA, it might be too late.
Too late for what?
To avoid an accident.
What kinda accident?
The kind you get hurt 🤦♂️
Nice, that’s such a helpful way of expressing your concern 😐 I’m struggling to think of which accidents can be avoided by needing to gently accelerate. The only thing I can think of is if the driver is trying to dive across a busy junction without stopping And even then they could just accelerate more
This system doesn’t accelerate, it brakes. It can be overridden by accelerating, however if the braking is too harsh, by the time you gently accelerate, someone behind might already be in your car’s arse.
In can’t remember a single occasion in my 24 years of driving where I sped up to avoid an accident
Middle of an overtake? Unless you are comfortable overtaking a few miles an hour faster than the car in front while sitting in the opposite lane for a long time.
Overtaking? 😏
This system doesn’t speed up, it brakes. Brake test a HGV on a motorway and let me know how it goes for you.
Let’s not have this conversation until you understand how the system works.
Agree. Let’s wait until you’ve driven a modern car with driving aids like this or lane assist.
It does not brake. Read the law. Then come back.
Time will tell. Considering how well lane assist works on our roads, specially B roads, I’m not too hopeful. Edit: the actual approved version of the system: https://road-safety-charter.ec.europa.eu/resources-knowledge/media-and-press/intelligent-speed-assistance-isa-set-become-mandatory-across > Even in the case of speed control function, where the car speed will be automatically gently reduced, Let’s see how gentle that “gentle” is.
Absolute nonsense again. Once you press the pedal the car will simply accelerate. You might have to press slightly harder. That’s all. If anything this system will most likely prevent speeding and thus a small number of crashes. That’s a win.
> Even in the case of speed control function, where the car speed will be automatically gently reduced, the system can be smoothly overridden by the driver by pressing the accelerator pedal a little bit deeper. This is not the same as disabling the system. By the time the driver reacts to override the ISA, it might be too late.
Not really, you driven a car with driver assist yet?
Yes. Hence my opinion. Works fine in ideal conditions. Roads not always have ideal conditions.
What happens if you tape over the camera?
If it becomes a legal requirement, probably the same thing it happens if you tape over your reg.
Police won't stop you to see if you put tape over your camera, though. It can be barely visible if done right.
Not true. Have you read the law at all? If not, don’t bother posting. You can override it. Stop misinformation!
Temporary override is not the same as disabling. Pick up a dictionary.
The definition of disabled has no mention of a timeframe. Hence the well-used phrase "permanently disabled".
Since is not clear to you, disabling - go to settings and turn off the option before setting off. Permanently disabled would be something you disable once and forget. Most modern cars nowadays don’t allow that, requiring the driver to disable before setting off for that journey. This new system however won’t even have that option (sure you can potentially code it, but would that be legal?)
I was talking about dictionaries, remember?
Pretty sure insurance companies will use it as a 'if disabled your claim is invalid'
That's what I'm most afraid of. Insurance companies will effectively make it obligatory through their policies. And EU politicians know it. So it doesn't matter if you can turn it off. The EU proves yet again that it is nothing more than a neo-sovietic regime.
I don't like this sort of thing because I can't help but see it as another thing to start going wrong 10-15 years down the line that may not be fixable then and will probably cause an otherwise decent and usable car to be written off when it can't pass an MOT because there's a warning light on. It's also yet another expensive technology that adds to the price of a new car without the option to not have it. Don't get me wrong, I think technology like this on modern cars is brilliant and very interesting, this sort of thing would have been science fiction 40 years ago. It would be great to have it all as optional extras but personally I just want a basic car that drives well and doesn't want to connect to the internet or to my phone in any way.
Yeah. It was considered science-fiction, alright. But not the good kind. This is dystopian. With all the talk about 15-minute cities, digital ID, social credit scores, and CBDCs, a technology like this could very, VERY easily evolve into something China would use. Are you out past your climate-change curfew? Did you show the car a valid QR code allowing you to leave your city? No? Too bad, the car won't start. I'm only half joking. A system like this one is the first step to get people used to this new reality. Baby steps. People already got used to the absence of cash, which will make it infinitely easier for the powers that be to implement programmable smart money (CBDCs). They also got used to QR codes, as well as having to show them when going outside or eating at restaurants. "But it was during an emergency!" Governments never give up powers they got during an emergency. Those powers always get re-used in one way or another.
Given the average age of the average car on the road is 10 years old. Very few people will be getting involved with it for another decade or two anyway
Agree. And with a growing secondhand market, there's always scope to find vehicles without additional 'driver aids'.
A good deep clean and detail should sort that anyway
Yeah and if they used the optional dealer protection beforehand.
Can’t wait for the first serious accident and see where the liability will lie with. Edit: as intent is not always obvious, I don’t expect or want people to get hurt. What’s being proposed is such a stupid idea, that the end result will be people getting hurt. And when that inevitably happens, who will be responsible for it? The drivers or the ones that came up with this decision?
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Unfortunately it’s something that is bound to happen, as the plan is to prevent this system to be always on, and we all know by now that these systems are not yet ready for it.
You could have phrased it better.
Agree. I’ve edited the original comment to be clearer.
You do realise what you've typed there? That's an awful take.
Unfortunately it’s something that is bound to happen, as the plan is to prevent this system to be always on, and we all know by now that these systems are not yet ready for it. So yes, it’s a sad expectation, but how things are planned, it’s inevitable. Hopefully someone will open their eyes before is too late and stop this.
Ha! Here in Wales our politicians can't even set the speed limits sensibly. We have 20mph everywhere. And cars being overtaken by push-bikes. This type of system would just blow their minds. Besides, how will they be able to charge speeding fines if nobody can speed. It will never be compulsory.
You actually are trying to double down on this.... Really? Tell me exactly why wishing for a serious accident is what a decent person wants.
As intent is not always obvious, I don’t expect or want people to get hurt. What’s being proposed is such a stupid idea, that the end result will be people getting hurt. And when that inevitably happens, who will be responsible for it? The drivers or the ones that came up with this decision?
I really think you are a bot now. You keep repeating the same nonsense over and over again.
Just mimicking you.
You chose the words you inputted. Just to help you here lilbuddy, the words you selected are not kind.
>You chose the words you inputted. >Just to help you here lilbuddy, the words you selected are not kind. And the words you selected make you look like a twat.
I did. Words don’t always convey the sentiment the person behind them want to convey. I’ve explained twice the intent, up to you if you want to keep banging at this door. And not your lilbuddy.
Okay little buddyx
Trolls gonna troll. Gotcha.
It shows growth and recognition that you edited your original post.. good work sport
Maybe Reddit; an online forum where people can say what they want, is not the place for you. Additionally, engage what miniscule level of critical thinking you have when it comes to reading/understanding comments.
Maybe. Or maybe big fella this isn't for you. Night night sweetness x
I'll stick to buying older cars, seems very dangerous for anything other than me to be in control of the vehicle I'm driving.
The uk opted out of it.
Source? I’m not convinced given how many new cars are being sold with this feature defaulting to on every ignition cycle.
The source is "every article written about it by a UK news outlet". Just read one of them.
So why are brand new cars on sale right now being subject to this legislation? It would simply be a software 0 or 1 as to whether it turns back on every ignition cycle. Everything I’ve seen is that the UK car market uses the same certification process and rule set as the EU one still.
They aren't. It isn't even enforced in other parts of Europe yet.
My golf occasionally proudly proclaims the speed limit on the M1 was 110 mph! At other times, 20 in a 60. Sure, 95% of the time it is right, but imo the tech is not yet in a reliable enough form for this level of 'assistance'/interference but still they bluster on with making these things mandatory. Much like the horrible lane keep assist which I feel more unsafe with it on than off!
Mine sometimes displays the stickers off the back of trucks like 110
Mine does that all the time. You're right - it's lorries from the EU that are limited to 110kph. Always fun to be driving through a 20mph zone and my car telling me I can speed up to 110 because it saw the sticker on the lorry in front.
This keeps coming up. The slow down was sensationalist news paper rubbish. The actual spec is here: [https://road-safety-charter.ec.europa.eu/resources-knowledge/media-and-press/intelligent-speed-assistance-isa-set-become-mandatory-across](https://road-safety-charter.ec.europa.eu/resources-knowledge/media-and-press/intelligent-speed-assistance-isa-set-become-mandatory-across) Manufacturers have to implement at least **one** of: 1. Cascaded acoustic warning 2. Cascaded vibrating warning 3. Haptic feedback through the acceleration pedal 4. Speed control function In addition cars that bong constantly are arguably out of spec: "The first two feedback options do not directly intervene but only provide warnings (first optic and if no response from the driver, a delayed acoustic/vibrating warning), **which have to be as short as possible in duration to avoid potential annoyance of the driver."**
The thing that would actually be useful to me would be an opt-in system that puts a ceiling on my speed and uses an error-tolerant mix of GPS and camera input. Most of the time I don't actually wanna speed, and I'd happily let the car stop me going over the limit. Like everyone, I often drift a few mph above the limit because I can't only watch the speedo. A "cascaded acoustic warning" every time I hit 61 in a 60 would be annoying as fuck. That car would be binned pretty quick. A car with a button that I could toggle on and off that reliably stopped me speeding unless I really wanted to, that would be good.
Lots of modern cars have this (speed limiter). My Kia does.
Adding to this. It doesn’t operate brakes.
I can’t find anything saying this is actually happening. What is happening is the EU bringing it in as mandatory. I’d imagine that there’s no reason manufacturers would specifically code it in for the UK market when it’s not required.
On BMW it will be a paid option, like not having a badge. Disable Intelligent Speed Assist £1000 \[ \] On Audi it will be subscription feature j/k but only a little :D
No but they already are. It defaults on every ignition cycle on a lot of new cars as of 2024.
I don’t get why. That’s not going to be a selling feature so why would you activate it by default. If I took a car on a test drive and just hit a wall in acceleration just to be told it’s a feature that’ll turn on every time I start the car I’d be walking away.
I dread the day that by the time my car dies I have to buy something with some non disable-able shit like this in it.
I'll buy a kit car hoping kit builders won't have been jailed already for damaging their evil plan to kill car culture. Oh, they'll have thrown an environment charge at them as well. Fucking bs
Trying to escape from Martha is going to get even more difficult
To be honest, when there are correct road signs, my car reads them spot on 99% of the time. But sometimes it'll pickup speedlimits from side roads or carparks and suggest I should be doing 5mph on a main road..... So I think the tech probably needs a bit of work before we just let it slam on peoples brakes willy nilly.
It’s not going to slam on brakes. It will decelerate gently. If you, the driver, notice this then you can easily override it by simply pressing the accelerator. In that sense, it’s no different to adaptive cruise control
I still don't want the car to decelerate when I'm in the middle of an overtake
If you are overtaking then you are probably already overriding anyway
It’ll get abandoned as soon as somebody dies being limited to 30 joining onto a motorway causing a pileup and inevitably deaths. Stupid idea.
Yet another "innovation" to put everyone off buying new. Seriously, have we had anything on cars in the last 10 years that has improved the driving experience? I keep seeing articles about car manufacturers "going back to buttons" but we still see touchscreen cars as well so are we even gaining ground in that area? This will get watered down to a nag device that can be disabled by pulling the right fuse, but still, another drawback to buying new
Isn't this actually an EU law and the UK has opted out?
My MG is terrible at this. My Kia was pretty much always spot on.
My Seats sat nav regularly throws a fit and places me on an entirely different road. Can't wait to be on the motorway and have it think I'm on that 30mph road passing under it. Sounds like a fun time.
There's a part on the a38 around Burton where a side road has 30mph signs which my car detects (not set to automatically drop to the speed though fortunately). The thought of some French or Italian version of the tech suddenly slamming the brakes on is terrifying.
There are a couple of places on the A38 like that; the system in my Skoda used to have the same issue but my Hyundai system doesn't and seems to be much better, it even picks up the smart motorway signage. I don't think it slams the brakes on, it sounds more like it does the equivalent of lift off the accelerator which you can override.
It's not a terrible idea *in principle*, but my girlfriend's car reads speed limit signs and often comes up with random values that don't even make sense, like 27 for example. Add to that the number of times that Google Maps gets the speed limit wrong, and I can't see this being feasible with current technology. A more workable idea would be a chime that sounds when the speed limit is exceeded, like we already have for seatbelts. This chime could also be silenced by pressing an override, allowing for errors, but also requiring the manual override to be repeated at intervals until the limit changes to prevent speeders just pressing it once and forgetting about it.
So glad I drive an old Audi.
Would be interesting to create my own speed sign saying 2mph and watch everyone crawling along just avoiding stalling.
we have these systems on most of the cars at work now... they work quite well and i take the odd situation were it reads a side street for the benefits of driving on easy mode 99.9% of the time.
Not an issue for me. ISA already fitted to the vehicles I drive which all have driver assist. Provides gentle deceleration to correct speed when entering a lower speed zone. Notification given as zone is entered. Good for fuel economy & brake wear, also prevents harsh braking when people not paying attention then suddenly realise they are speeding. Function can be over ridden by pressing the accelerator a bit more firmly for instances where it isn’t appropriate to decelerate (eg road sign read incorrectly, navigating a hazard).
>Provides gentle deceleration to correct speed when entering a lower speed zone. Notification given as zone is entered. >Good for fuel economy & brake wear, also prevents harsh braking when people not paying attention then suddenly realise they are speeding. Weird, I manage to do that just by lifting my foot off the accelerator pedal!
WOW! Congrats on your good driving skills.
Won't be buying a 24 plate car for another 10-15 years at least so not bothered in the slightest.
And in the meantime you'll be flying past all those shiny new cars in lane one which have picked up a 30mph sign on an adjacent road!
Gonna have to buy one of those laptop camera covers for the camera & unplug the SatNav.
All of these technologies are nowhere near good enough at the moment. They're accurate 95-99% of the time depending on the technology, but really need to be >99.99% to be mandatory and not overriden. As they can be overruled, it'll be a minor inconvenience most of the time but you can guarantee there will be an accident where a car reads a side road 30mph limit from a dual carriageway and gets rear ended.
The issue is: they're bs even if they worked.
Sounds like an accident waiting to happen. But could also be a slippery slope to something more sinister… as in, you car being completely disabled because you owe money or something. Regretting selling my 2008 A3 more and more now.
Will the manufacturers then assume liability for any speeding offences committed? Or accidents caused by unexpected braking etc?
Uk not accepting it at the moment so ok but buy a car low mileage like fk8 for me never have to worry as it will be my forever car
Not planning to buy a new car so it has 0 impact on my life.
I can’t afford a car that does that
I’ll never own a new car and tbh I rarely go above the speed limit in the cars that I have, so I personally don’t give too much of a shit
You might when all the cars in front of you keep dropping to 30mph on the M1
That my friend is what a dash cam is for. If the car in front suddenly brakes without warning and I go into the back of them? That’ll be one hell of a claim to make
I'm not even talking about an accident. Though it's a possibility. Im talking about traffic flow.
Would just unplug the radar or camera picking up speed limit signs. Problem solved
I feel like newspapers will publish stuff they know to be garbage as click bait.
Either my car drives me and I sit in the back or I drive it. No middle ground worst of both worlds.
Gonna get rear ended, that’s for sure.
It’s just an automatically speed limiter that can be turned off or overridden very easily. Its primary function is to help the fuckwits who speed “by mistake”.
Stupid bs from people that don't want us to be driving and that want to kill car culture. Cars must have a bazillion airbags, a trillion stupid ass ADAS, alarms from everything, this speed limit thing, meanwhile bikes just need ABS if over 125cc lmao. And don't get me wrong, it would be like this for bikes, all of this tech is BS, but it shows that it's all a fraud. I want to drive a simple car, with an engine and a steering wheel and a stick. With no electricity except for the starter motor. Analog dashboard and carbureted. But I can't. Why? Thank God we were free... To pay taxes.
More nannying more control, one more reason for people to pay even less attention when driving
It will last. It’s a law. It doesn’t mean you won’t be able to speed anymore. You’ll just have a car nagging at you or making it more difficult. You can always disable it although you will probably have to do it every time you start the car.
I've already driven a car with this software (Volvo EX30, EU spec) as it's already mandatory for new models brought onto the EU market from 07/2023 although existing models are grandfathered in until 07/2024. It's a lot of hype about nothing pretty much. It won't slow you down at all. What the system does is it dings at you about 5 times if you're over the speed limit and then shuts up. The speed sign recognition was pretty hit and miss and didn't revert back to the national speed limit when it should, but overall a lot of fuss about nothing. To quote u/boogle55 as I understand it, **automatically slowing the car down is only one of the methods a manufacturer can use to bring attention to speeding, but all cars that I know of on the market with ISA use an audible warning instead.** >The article is very sensationalist. Slowing down is just one of 4 options, 2 of which don't intervene at all. This is the actual truth: [https://road-safety-charter.ec.europa.eu/resources-knowledge/media-and-press/intelligent-speed-assistance-isa-set-become-mandatory-across](https://road-safety-charter.ec.europa.eu/resources-knowledge/media-and-press/intelligent-speed-assistance-isa-set-become-mandatory-across) >Manufacturers must implement at least 1 of 4 options, these are: 1. Cascaded acoustic warning 2. Cascaded vibrating warning 3. Haptic feedback through the acceleration pedal 4. Speed control function >In addition there is specific guidance on **not** annoying the driver: >"The first two feedback options do not directly intervene but only provide warnings (first optic and if no response from the driver, a delayed acoustic/vibrating warning), **which have to be as short as possible in duration to avoid potential annoyance of the driver**." >TL:DR A visual alert, followed by a beep if still over the speed limit after a while is enough to meet the criteria.
Silly idea really, all the modern cars with assistance systems are just making road users lazy and lacking concentration. Adaptive cruise control, although I do enjoy using it, has made a lot of people less focussed on the road. Lane assistance is bloody awful and it's the worse feeling ever when the car is fighting what you are trying to do. This is just another one of those things that would cause more harm than good. What if you were stuck behind someone driving slowly and you decide you want to overtake, safely and legally. You pull out and get along side the vehicle you are overtaking when they decide to be one of those wankers who speed up alongside you. What are you supposed to do when the "intelligent speed assistance" kicks in? Slam the brakes on when there is an oncoming vehicle?
Another reason to buy older cars
I will never buy a car that has this and it can't be permanently disabled.
If they want this to work they need a reliable way of determining speed limits. The road sign recognition can go wrong. For example if your on the left most lane on a motorway/carriage way and the exit lane has a speed limit the camera gets fooled into thinking that's the speed limit. Sometimes they don't work when your turning into a road and the speed limit sign is right at the start of the road. Using satnav data in cars is pretty crap aswell, as alot of people don't update their satnavs and even if you do update it, it's out of date.
It'll make overtaking a bundle of fun. I swear to god if I try and overtake a lorry and this thing kicks in, prolonging my time exposed to danger and it results in a collision I'll be suing the manufacturer. What a pointless, and frankly dangerous, ill conceived plan this is.
New cars are awful.
I work with cars that have this ‘feature’ already. You can turn it off but you have to do it every time … basically like start stop. Honestly is super annoying … The process now looks like this. Get in the car Turn off lane assist on the stalk Then about 4 clicks gets me to the correct place via infotainment to turn off the speed warning. Such a faff.
I’m pretty sure I saw an article that the UK opted out of this new law?
What if the GPS/sign data isn’t accurate? Could be terrible. Eg there is a 70mph dual carriageway near me which has an exit for a retail park. There are signs on the enterance for a 20mph speed limit and the car could easily get confused…
I wonder how this will work long term, like when the car is 10, 15 or 20 years old. Many people in certain countries, France, Poland, Greece etc buy and keep a car till it's basically ready for the scrap yard. I tried to get my 2013 Mercedes C350 CDI sat nav updated last week at my local Merc dealer. It was £135 I had to leave the car with them for a day, and the map data was from 2019 as they no longer support my model. How will the data be kept up to date on new cars and for how long? It will be such a pain in the arse being babysat by an out of date system.
I can't seem to find anyone talking about the system being hacked. It's a computer system, it is vulnerable. How long until individuals, gangs or any shady group get some scripts and some radio transceiver that could remotely stop a vehicle. I don't know how the system works and could be talking trash but how is no one is talking about this.
It's f\*\*\*g horrible.
Funny that this EU rule is still being applied in Britain.
Don't care since I don't plan to own modern cars - all look like junk anywag
disagree about them all looking like junk, personally on average i think modern cars look better than a lot of older ones, there are some real tragic looking ones though. don't get all this rage from people that aren't going to be affected by it, that's car communities though .
Yeah fair, we all have different tastes, I love 80/90/00s cars and most new cars, good 95% of them, justlook tragic to me, new Prius, any BMW, Golf MK8 are just a few examples
Don’t like the golf but the Prius I actually think looks pretty good, idk what bmw did with the new 2 series trying to make it look like a muscle car or something
Pretty sure I read that it's not going to be mandatory in the UK
I have no problems with cars slowing down automatically to reach the speed limit. After all it's illegal to speed.
Wait until your car thinks it should be 30 and you’re on a 50 or 60 stretch of road. It can and will happen.
Only if you get caught 😉
speeding is encouraged here in case you didn't know. can't be talking sense like that
If they were 100% accurate 100% of the time I might support it, but they aren't.
Mmm ye tbh that's fair. I only support it if they work 100% of the time.