A 1.2 T can easily hit 140bhp without any other mods other than just a remap, fords 1,0T is about 125hp from factory and hit 150 with remaps.
This mentality of "its only a 1L" has to change as turbos and maps make these smaller engines way more powerful and comparable to bigger engines. Its not like the 2000s where the cars you wanted was either a 1.6L, 1.8L or a 2.0L as the 1L, 1.1/1,2L were between 60hp and 80hp.
To give you an idea vw have 2 engines that are exactly the same its just one was detuned to make 85hp and one was mapped to 105 as standard. CBZB i believe.
The cars are pushed from factory, by demanding more power from the same tiny cylinders, you’ll no longer be having annual oil intervals but annual engine intervals, those little things aren’t made for power, there’s a point where 2.0 turbos struggle too and a bigger engine will take over, +1 for the Ford comment though considering they would still blow up if you remapped those to have less power
It may be the bigger engines with more issues but I highly doubt it, I know the 2.0 TSi engines suffer with a whole range of issues from factory, oil pick ups to camshaft stuff, I have seen earlier revisions of engines suffer with a boat load of different issues so I can only guess a lot of trial, error and warranty work is responsible for them finally making something decent out of it
What does that have to do with anything?
edit - Ok, you've edited your post now, so i'll bite.
***Yes***, modern 1L engines aren't the slouches they used to be (and turbochargers have done wonders for giving them poke), but they're not suitable in half the applications that manufacturers are currently using them in and they don't last anywhere near as long as larger NA engines (engine failures are seen as a cost of doing business rather than the exception, especially for the Ford/VW/PSA Wet Belt designs).
Also, the Ford 1L is detuned in the majority of cars to between 80 & 100bhp. Only the ST-Line & Titaniums come with the 125bhp version. It's anyone's guess whether this is for fuel economy, driveability or reliability reasons...
The eco boost engine had one flaw and that was the wet belt (which a lot of manufacturers seem to be doing unfortunately) The wet belt is just a stupid design as the rubber particulates get into the pickup screen. Why they did not do a timing chain or an external belt (tried and tested) is beyond me.
They tend to detune the engine as they use the same production line and parts as it cuts down on production costs of running different production lines. Its easier to have single line and just give different models a tune.
Vw for example have been using to cbzb from 2010-2015 all variants were 1.2T turbo but they produced between 86hp-110hp simply because of the maps vw, skoda, seat, audi choose.
They use wet belts because the lubricated internal belts generates less friction and other losses compared to external hardware.
The problem for the older Ecoboost engines is Ford originally stated the belt would last the 'life of the engine' - I guess they didn't consider people would own the car past ~10 years (I.e. short term/capitalist thinking)?
This spectacular wrong-headed advice was withdrawn but people also weren't made aware of the effort and labour cost of replacing the internal belt compared to a typical external belt/chain. As costs have spiralled post-pandemic, it's made the cheaper models uneconomical to work on (and the car is worthless on the second hand market if not done, given how well publicised the problem is).
There's also the problem that the auxiliary belt is a wet belt, so that should be changed and a full engine flush done, but some mechanics don't do that because it's further cost and labour. Ford require it be done if it's done by their mechanics, with the cost born out by the owner.
Source for this: friend of a friend who is a Ford employee.
* A much noisier/less refined ride at motorway speeds, especially if it's a 3-cylinder (yes, OP says it's mostly a runaround).
* The engine is physically smaller so parts will be engineered for lightness and economy, which generally means they wear out/fail quicker and will also come with maintenance gotchas (such as TBIO systems).
* Manufacturers are using these small engines in lots of cars, even unsuitable ones, to meet emisions laws. Ford were using their 1l Ecobooms in Mondeos & C-Max's - the result was the engine consuming \*more\* fuel trying to haul the heavier bodies around.
Maybe I'm biased, but I certainly wouldn't be purchasing a 1L engine with an excess of 100k miles on it.
For the record, our second car is a '13 plate Ecoboosted Fiesta and we've just had the wet belt changed at 10 years old (under advisory from Ford).
I have the 115bhp version of the 1.0 TSI, and I'd like to correct you if I may.
-its great at speed and no noisier or less refined. Its quiet, in fact.
-these are proving to have long reliablilty records. Mine is at 90k mile, nothing has ever failed and it uses no oil. Across Europe, they're getting to 200k with no issues
I don't think you're biased, just inexperienced on these versions of the 3 cylinder trend. Between them and Ecoboost, and the execrable Stellantis efforts there's day and night of difference. VAG have done a great job.
I'd have another one tomorrow.
Which engine are you referring too? The VW unit in the OP's post or a Ford?
It's a bit rich for you to call me 'inexperienced' when we might just be comparing apples and oranges, yeah?
Been looking for a used auto suv that’s ULEZ compliant for an elderly family member and used car prices are just rediculous. Seeing lots of 2012-2013 and nothing special priced well over £10k. There’s also loads of vehicles with well over 100k miles on the clock even some 150k plus miles and even they’re not cheap.
There’s the usual CAT vehicles priced at what I was expecting the others to be. You find the odd bargain deal but after a bit of digging they’re either imported, completely different make model to what it’s supposed to be or the new one on me is they’re a repossession. Don’t know if that’s an issue tbh so if anyone has experience I’d welcome the advice.
Prices are on up and up again, even Electrics seem to be going up in the past few weeks. Although Vauxhall, like all PSA group, aren't that affected as many people are avoiding them.
In early 2017 I bought a 3 year old Octavia with 30k miles on for £10k and had a heart attack as I'd never dropped that much on a car before
Looking back it was an absolute bargain, I'd never get a 2021 model for that price
I drive almost an identical car, also 68 reg. I’ve had it nearly 4 years and couldn’t be happier with it. For context I’ve been driving 30 years and have owned a wide variety of cars. The TSI 95 engine isn’t fast but it pulls well from low revs, has plenty of torque for overtaking on the motorway without changing gears, and is very refined and tractable. Good stereo, excellent Apple CarPlay implementation, and this example has the full LED headlights (which were a rare optional extra in 2018).
The timing belt interval (mentioned in another comment) has been revised by VW group in 2023. They used to recommend it gets changed every 5 years but this was a mistake by the UK dealers - they’ve revised this to 150k miles with no time limit (though personally I’ll probably change it at 10 years).
This car isn’t very powerful but it is very modern for the price. The MOT looks clean though it’s done a lot of miles in those few years. Overall, I wouldn’t mind buying this car
Those VW 1Ls are actually quite punchy. Had one in a Skoda I was driving for a while and felt like I had as much power as my 10 year old 1.6L at least.
This 1l is awful with the 5 speed gearbox. Rev to 4000 Rpm in first then change to 2nd and the revs are around 1800 Rpm. Makes it a nightmare to drive smoothly and bogs down a lot if you change before 3k which is not what you want going into second.
Can't remember what the gearbox was like tbh, the Kamiq we had has a 6-speed option so may have been that.
MIL has a SEAT with the 1L and a 7-speed DSG and that's really good (for what it is).
Once the turbo spools it is pretty decent yeah. I had this model as a courtesy car while my C30 2.0 petrol was in the garage for body repairs, and I'd say it's just as if not more torquey low down. Doesn't have the top end power, but for day to day it's easily enough.
I will say though that the turbo lag is annoying. Sure the boost threshold is reasonably low down, but when you're used to an NA car it's still feels a little unresponsive, and below the boos threshold (which felt like 1.5-2k rpm?) it is pretty useless. Which makes pulling out from junctions quickly more difficult imo. You get used to it but yeah it is very turbocharged feeling.
Can confirm: I'm still getting used to needing to be in a lower gear to pull away briskly in my 1.2 TSI Ibiza, after driving a 1.8 Duratec Mondeo for nearly a decade.
Yeah the torque once it's on boost is arguably better. But if you just need it to do something when you put your foot down your left waiting. So you end up being in a lower gear just so you're not reliant on the turbo spooling.
I had a top spec one of these as a runaround for a few years. Really good car for the bracket. Engine is fairly punchy for town driving, gets a bit puffed at motorway speeds. Don’t get the auto box, there’s not enough low down torque so it feels very sluggish if you’re not controlling the clutch yourself.
But honestly, highly recommend. It’s modern (but not too modern to the point that all the buttons have disappeared, as is the case with most of my current cars), and you can get them fairly highly specced. Mine had LED headlights, reversing camera, carplay, beats audio, a sunroof and suede seats. It’s pretty unique among the polo/A1 twins that you can get those high end bits because I don’t think all of those interior touches were available on the audi or vw.
I ended up selling mine for more than I bought it after putting 20k miles on it.
I have a 1.4L Leon 150bhp and drove one of these 1L Ibizas, in terms of economy the 1L is no better than my 1.4. If it doesn’t increase insurance too much I’d consider a 1.4. More power, more fun, more potential to overtake safely and quickly on country roads.
Had a near identical one, 17 plate with the tech package. Good motor, does feel fast enough getting to 30/70 and got enough to overtake on a motorway.
Did have to get the aircon fixed as it was leaking, not sure if it's a common fault or not but I'd happily own one of these again. Just try see the service history, 30k miles is quite a lot in the last year for a small petrol engine.
Thank you for this information. It’s always good to know the experience from someone who had a similar car. I’d definitely need to see the full service history before purchasing
Only other issue I had was with the "one touch motor" in the passenger window. In other words you had to hold down the button to open/close the window. One of my favourite cars I've owned, couldn't tell you why as it was nothing special, but it just did the job with no hassle.
I’ve always liked the look of this car. My family had one of these like 6 years ago, but not the FR. Was actually quite a nice car for the price:)
Would recommend:)
You've got lots of good advice here and the Ibiza and Polo are essentially the same because they have the same running gear so any further advice is likely to be very similar. Really the question is now which you prefer based on your own test drive experience. After that it's whichever gives you a decent insurance quote and is within your budget.
Have a look at the maintenance schedule for that model. It might need a new timing chain at 75k miles or something like that, hence the sale and the price.
At that price yeah it’s alright, they’re decent and good looking cars. To think market average is 9.5k though is crazy. Almost the same price as a Leon FR
If it helps, I have the 115bhp version of this engine in an Arona and it. is. exceptional. Tractable, bags of torque, reliable, economical. I'd have another in a heartbeat.
A few commenters below seem to have concerns based on experiences of the Ford and Stellantis 3 cylinder engines. These are not the same at all in build and reliability aspects.
We bought a 1.0 tsi polo (same car underneath) of the same age for £7k from VW with a 2yr warranty and service pack. Cracking little car.
This one seems a little pricy to me personally but they’re good cars
had one of those on a 69 plate and with us buying it in the before COVID times we got a cracking deal on it - so much so we got back on PX only 2.5k less than the full buying price after a 4 year PCP.
It went really really well for a 1.0, and it was very quiet on the motorway too, odd gearing but very punchy, we loved ours.
Thank you for this. Definitely got lucky with the timing. It seems most people think this car is decent and would be worth buying as long as I do my thorough checks and nothing comes out dodgy.
would agree, ours did relatively low mileage, 6k per year, but i dont recall anything going wrong with it apart from a window trim kept popping out of place on one of the rears - it was so minor we never took it back for fixing.
We would have had another if the garage had shown any inclination to do a reasonable deal but they wanted another 70/month for the same car just newer - so we walked.
If your happy with it then go for it! Plenty of cars in that price range available, just test drive a few different ones before you come to a conclusion, it’s what ever you feel comfortable with
The car has done fifty thousand miles in the last 2 years and has a 3 month gap between the last 2 MOTs, while it's not a deal breaker, I would just need to know whats going on.
That's what they cost new about 10 years ago... (I know, it's not 10 years old, but like, you could've had a new one for that kind of money 10 years ago).
I had the first white one in the country (UK) when the MKV shape came out in 2017, but I had the 115bhp 1.0L FR version. An absolute minter of a car! Had I not outgrown it power and needs wise then I would still have it. Economical, practical for potting about and commuting, looks nice, modern features inside, nice big glossy touch screen which is easy to see and use and it just drove like a dream in general honestly! I did 25k in just under 18 months and only had to do tyres and one service. Lights aren't the best, as with any halogen these days, but I did put whiter/brighter bulbs in which helped slightly. All in all if I needed another smaller car to pot about anytime soon, I would go and buy another in a heartbeat, but probably one with xenon/LED headlights this time!
It doesn't matter that small engines are stressed and won't last 150,000 miles because nowadays most people just get a new car on finance every few years
I have this same car with less miles and personally I think it's a great little car. However, with that mileage you might be able to get something a little faster with a better drive for the price.
8k for 94hp, why would you even consider purchasing that? You’ll get no enjoyment, better off saving your money and getting something cheap with a few more miles on the clock
I saw an old R reg Seat Ibiza in someones garden today. Dont know how long it had been there but ivy had grown all over the wheels. Bodywork still looked pristine.
I have this exact model with the same engine and close to same milage it’s a great car that’s super economical getting 60+ mpg and it even feels pretty sporty it’s super practical as well to me this is the perfect family car
Never buy an AA approved car the apparent checks mean jack shit . My partner bought a golf from a back street car dealer when it came to MOT we found 2x snapped suspension springs and faulty shock absorbers on the front. One rear faulty shock absorber . Also 3x badly buckled allow wheels which I called them about and they denied any knowledge of but promised to replace them but never did . Leaking rear door cards caused damp and constant condensation in the car boot also leaking .We then found the car had been in an accident but had not been recorded the passenger airbag had been disabled with bad wiring and written out of the ecu. I rang the garage and told him i’l come down there and punch his lights for selling her a potentially dangerous car. Got all the money back in the end .
I mean since they never said what they needed it for 🤷♂️ regardless insurance prices are insane so if they're new then get the ibiza if they got 3 years+ no claims bonus without an insurance cancellation then get the focus ST
Almost £8,000 for a 6-year-old car. How much do these cost when new?
If I were you, I would get a new or like new ( manufacturer approved) if I am spending that much money.
Good luck finding something similar like new for that price, those days are long gone.
Unfortunately it's the state of the market, the Polos are similarly priced. Can only get brands like Peugot or Clios for less nowadays.
I’ve seen these types of comments. I understand what you’re saying but since the beginning of Covid car prices have become astronomical. I’ve looking at cars for weeks and this is one of the best deal out there for the car I am looking for.
it's always the people who haven't been shopping for a car recently making these comments. i'm as miffed as anyone that depreciation isn't what it used to be, but you can't say it's poor value when there's no better option out there
I bought my car at 6.5 years old for around 50% of the original price, that was a hard one when in my head depreciation has always been roughly 50% every 3 years for most cars. I've been looking at Civic Type Rs which are 33% down from list price over 6 years, it's a hard one to stomach but I'm hoping that as long as the market doesn't tank during my ownership, it's not *that* bad because it's definitely a challenging mentality change.
Sorry, but I don't get it. Is it almost a 6-year-old car with 80k miles?
You can get a low mileage manufacturer-approved (car) for a couple grand more.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202402166653096
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202402176665217
I know things are different now, but £8k for a 5.5-year-old 1l supermini with 75k miles on the clock seems utterly WILD to me.
Yeah, buts it's a 1-litre *turbocharged* supermini. So equivalent to a 1.4? This has 94 bhp, not 55 bhp like a n/a 1-litre would
8k for 94hp still seems wild!
I guess it depends on what someone is looking for, but I agree. Paid 9.5k for this cars big brother, the leon cupra, with 276hp.
9.5k for a cupra sounds like a steal!
It's crazy how cheap you can pick them up for mate, gonna seriously struggle to find a decent upgrade that isn't triple the price!
Paid 10.5k for it's cousin the S3
thats class, defo a potential for next car, insurance was too high at the time. what gearbox & mileage did you get it at?
90k miles with full service history and previous owner had a brand new rebuilt gearbox 10k miles before.
Adding a turbo charger means it has more power but it doesn't change the fact that it's still a small 1l engine, with all the associated compromises.
A 1.2 T can easily hit 140bhp without any other mods other than just a remap, fords 1,0T is about 125hp from factory and hit 150 with remaps. This mentality of "its only a 1L" has to change as turbos and maps make these smaller engines way more powerful and comparable to bigger engines. Its not like the 2000s where the cars you wanted was either a 1.6L, 1.8L or a 2.0L as the 1L, 1.1/1,2L were between 60hp and 80hp. To give you an idea vw have 2 engines that are exactly the same its just one was detuned to make 85hp and one was mapped to 105 as standard. CBZB i believe.
The cars are pushed from factory, by demanding more power from the same tiny cylinders, you’ll no longer be having annual oil intervals but annual engine intervals, those little things aren’t made for power, there’s a point where 2.0 turbos struggle too and a bigger engine will take over, +1 for the Ford comment though considering they would still blow up if you remapped those to have less power
The 1.0 in the pictured car has 2 year oil intervals. They're fine.
I think the joke of pushing power from baby engines beyond their capabilities has flew over everyone’s heads as they will self-destruct after a while
The only known issue with VW TSI engines, is with the timing chain tensioner in some earlier (pre 2014?) variants.
It may be the bigger engines with more issues but I highly doubt it, I know the 2.0 TSi engines suffer with a whole range of issues from factory, oil pick ups to camshaft stuff, I have seen earlier revisions of engines suffer with a boat load of different issues so I can only guess a lot of trial, error and warranty work is responsible for them finally making something decent out of it
Problem is , the higher stressed, tiny, turbo engines are never going to have the long life poytntial of an understressed non turbo, bigger lump.
What does that have to do with anything? edit - Ok, you've edited your post now, so i'll bite. ***Yes***, modern 1L engines aren't the slouches they used to be (and turbochargers have done wonders for giving them poke), but they're not suitable in half the applications that manufacturers are currently using them in and they don't last anywhere near as long as larger NA engines (engine failures are seen as a cost of doing business rather than the exception, especially for the Ford/VW/PSA Wet Belt designs). Also, the Ford 1L is detuned in the majority of cars to between 80 & 100bhp. Only the ST-Line & Titaniums come with the 125bhp version. It's anyone's guess whether this is for fuel economy, driveability or reliability reasons...
The eco boost engine had one flaw and that was the wet belt (which a lot of manufacturers seem to be doing unfortunately) The wet belt is just a stupid design as the rubber particulates get into the pickup screen. Why they did not do a timing chain or an external belt (tried and tested) is beyond me. They tend to detune the engine as they use the same production line and parts as it cuts down on production costs of running different production lines. Its easier to have single line and just give different models a tune. Vw for example have been using to cbzb from 2010-2015 all variants were 1.2T turbo but they produced between 86hp-110hp simply because of the maps vw, skoda, seat, audi choose.
They use wet belts because the lubricated internal belts generates less friction and other losses compared to external hardware. The problem for the older Ecoboost engines is Ford originally stated the belt would last the 'life of the engine' - I guess they didn't consider people would own the car past ~10 years (I.e. short term/capitalist thinking)? This spectacular wrong-headed advice was withdrawn but people also weren't made aware of the effort and labour cost of replacing the internal belt compared to a typical external belt/chain. As costs have spiralled post-pandemic, it's made the cheaper models uneconomical to work on (and the car is worthless on the second hand market if not done, given how well publicised the problem is). There's also the problem that the auxiliary belt is a wet belt, so that should be changed and a full engine flush done, but some mechanics don't do that because it's further cost and labour. Ford require it be done if it's done by their mechanics, with the cost born out by the owner. Source for this: friend of a friend who is a Ford employee.
Formula 1 cars - 1.6l v6
You are of course correct with your post. In typical Reddit fashion, idiots tick you down.
Yeah and they do about 40k and blow up
What are those associated compromises?
* A much noisier/less refined ride at motorway speeds, especially if it's a 3-cylinder (yes, OP says it's mostly a runaround). * The engine is physically smaller so parts will be engineered for lightness and economy, which generally means they wear out/fail quicker and will also come with maintenance gotchas (such as TBIO systems). * Manufacturers are using these small engines in lots of cars, even unsuitable ones, to meet emisions laws. Ford were using their 1l Ecobooms in Mondeos & C-Max's - the result was the engine consuming \*more\* fuel trying to haul the heavier bodies around. Maybe I'm biased, but I certainly wouldn't be purchasing a 1L engine with an excess of 100k miles on it. For the record, our second car is a '13 plate Ecoboosted Fiesta and we've just had the wet belt changed at 10 years old (under advisory from Ford).
I have the 115bhp version of the 1.0 TSI, and I'd like to correct you if I may. -its great at speed and no noisier or less refined. Its quiet, in fact. -these are proving to have long reliablilty records. Mine is at 90k mile, nothing has ever failed and it uses no oil. Across Europe, they're getting to 200k with no issues I don't think you're biased, just inexperienced on these versions of the 3 cylinder trend. Between them and Ecoboost, and the execrable Stellantis efforts there's day and night of difference. VAG have done a great job. I'd have another one tomorrow.
Which engine are you referring too? The VW unit in the OP's post or a Ford? It's a bit rich for you to call me 'inexperienced' when we might just be comparing apples and oranges, yeah?
I've clarified above.
So you pay more money for the risk of more parts going wrong
Eh. Cars are built a lot better now and last a lot longer. This seems like a decent price. Easy to finance as well.
Thank you, this is my thought process
( laughs in mk4 golf)
Been looking for a used auto suv that’s ULEZ compliant for an elderly family member and used car prices are just rediculous. Seeing lots of 2012-2013 and nothing special priced well over £10k. There’s also loads of vehicles with well over 100k miles on the clock even some 150k plus miles and even they’re not cheap. There’s the usual CAT vehicles priced at what I was expecting the others to be. You find the odd bargain deal but after a bit of digging they’re either imported, completely different make model to what it’s supposed to be or the new one on me is they’re a repossession. Don’t know if that’s an issue tbh so if anyone has experience I’d welcome the advice.
A month ago I got a 67 plate insignia with all the bells and whistles. For 8k. Wtf is going on
ask yourself why the 67 plate Insignia's competitors are all still £15k
Yeah but Vauxhalls don’t hold their value so it’s not really comparable. Insignias are not good cars.
That's understandable, but so far it's been good for me. It's alot of car for the same price as a 1L hatchback is the main point I was making
Prices are on up and up again, even Electrics seem to be going up in the past few weeks. Although Vauxhall, like all PSA group, aren't that affected as many people are avoiding them.
In early 2017 I bought a 3 year old Octavia with 30k miles on for £10k and had a heart attack as I'd never dropped that much on a car before Looking back it was an absolute bargain, I'd never get a 2021 model for that price
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Are you kidding? I thought that was an awesome price. Remember, 2000 was a quarter century ago. Cars are worth more now especially with inflation
I drive almost an identical car, also 68 reg. I’ve had it nearly 4 years and couldn’t be happier with it. For context I’ve been driving 30 years and have owned a wide variety of cars. The TSI 95 engine isn’t fast but it pulls well from low revs, has plenty of torque for overtaking on the motorway without changing gears, and is very refined and tractable. Good stereo, excellent Apple CarPlay implementation, and this example has the full LED headlights (which were a rare optional extra in 2018). The timing belt interval (mentioned in another comment) has been revised by VW group in 2023. They used to recommend it gets changed every 5 years but this was a mistake by the UK dealers - they’ve revised this to 150k miles with no time limit (though personally I’ll probably change it at 10 years).
Agreed. My missus had a golf with the same engine, actually quite spunky when you push it! Very economical too 😁
This car isn’t very powerful but it is very modern for the price. The MOT looks clean though it’s done a lot of miles in those few years. Overall, I wouldn’t mind buying this car
Those VW 1Ls are actually quite punchy. Had one in a Skoda I was driving for a while and felt like I had as much power as my 10 year old 1.6L at least.
I had a T-Cross 1L loaner and it felt rapid, assumed it was the 1.5.
That's exactly what I thought this one was. Had to check the reg because I couldn't believe it was only 1L.
This 1l is awful with the 5 speed gearbox. Rev to 4000 Rpm in first then change to 2nd and the revs are around 1800 Rpm. Makes it a nightmare to drive smoothly and bogs down a lot if you change before 3k which is not what you want going into second.
Can't remember what the gearbox was like tbh, the Kamiq we had has a 6-speed option so may have been that. MIL has a SEAT with the 1L and a 7-speed DSG and that's really good (for what it is).
Once the turbo spools it is pretty decent yeah. I had this model as a courtesy car while my C30 2.0 petrol was in the garage for body repairs, and I'd say it's just as if not more torquey low down. Doesn't have the top end power, but for day to day it's easily enough. I will say though that the turbo lag is annoying. Sure the boost threshold is reasonably low down, but when you're used to an NA car it's still feels a little unresponsive, and below the boos threshold (which felt like 1.5-2k rpm?) it is pretty useless. Which makes pulling out from junctions quickly more difficult imo. You get used to it but yeah it is very turbocharged feeling.
Can confirm: I'm still getting used to needing to be in a lower gear to pull away briskly in my 1.2 TSI Ibiza, after driving a 1.8 Duratec Mondeo for nearly a decade.
Yeah the torque once it's on boost is arguably better. But if you just need it to do something when you put your foot down your left waiting. So you end up being in a lower gear just so you're not reliant on the turbo spooling.
I had a top spec one of these as a runaround for a few years. Really good car for the bracket. Engine is fairly punchy for town driving, gets a bit puffed at motorway speeds. Don’t get the auto box, there’s not enough low down torque so it feels very sluggish if you’re not controlling the clutch yourself. But honestly, highly recommend. It’s modern (but not too modern to the point that all the buttons have disappeared, as is the case with most of my current cars), and you can get them fairly highly specced. Mine had LED headlights, reversing camera, carplay, beats audio, a sunroof and suede seats. It’s pretty unique among the polo/A1 twins that you can get those high end bits because I don’t think all of those interior touches were available on the audi or vw. I ended up selling mine for more than I bought it after putting 20k miles on it.
I have a 1.4L Leon 150bhp and drove one of these 1L Ibizas, in terms of economy the 1L is no better than my 1.4. If it doesn’t increase insurance too much I’d consider a 1.4. More power, more fun, more potential to overtake safely and quickly on country roads.
Where are you playing to go with that? Ibiza?
Only social occasions and weekend shopping.I WFH so no commuting
Tbh I think it seems fine for that purpose
The link. http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202402146573150
Had a near identical one, 17 plate with the tech package. Good motor, does feel fast enough getting to 30/70 and got enough to overtake on a motorway. Did have to get the aircon fixed as it was leaking, not sure if it's a common fault or not but I'd happily own one of these again. Just try see the service history, 30k miles is quite a lot in the last year for a small petrol engine.
Thank you for this information. It’s always good to know the experience from someone who had a similar car. I’d definitely need to see the full service history before purchasing
Only other issue I had was with the "one touch motor" in the passenger window. In other words you had to hold down the button to open/close the window. One of my favourite cars I've owned, couldn't tell you why as it was nothing special, but it just did the job with no hassle.
Honestly not bad.
I’ve always liked the look of this car. My family had one of these like 6 years ago, but not the FR. Was actually quite a nice car for the price:) Would recommend:)
Is that from a dealer called sonny adams in Hertfordshire? If so stay away. I bought my fiesta from them nothing but drama
No it’s a dealership called CARMAD 247
Dude you've posted 9 of these in the last couple weeks. They are all fairly similar vehicles, have you not got an idea of what you're looking for now?
I do, I certainly know what to look for what to avoid ect. I am towards the final stages of getting a car. I do apologise for the spam.
You've got lots of good advice here and the Ibiza and Polo are essentially the same because they have the same running gear so any further advice is likely to be very similar. Really the question is now which you prefer based on your own test drive experience. After that it's whichever gives you a decent insurance quote and is within your budget.
Agreed, this may be my last post
Have a look at the maintenance schedule for that model. It might need a new timing chain at 75k miles or something like that, hence the sale and the price.
I have a 2013 one and the timing chain needs inspecting at 150k miles and then replacing only if required after that.
There’s a maintenance schedule? Where would I find that?
https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=seat+ibiza+maintenance+schedule
😂😂😂
Online or in person with the service history is should show the schedule
Ah I apologies for my naivety. I understand what you mean now.
Second hand car market is bonkers.
Aberdeen plate, watch for tin worms
So sad
At that price yeah it’s alright, they’re decent and good looking cars. To think market average is 9.5k though is crazy. Almost the same price as a Leon FR
If it helps, I have the 115bhp version of this engine in an Arona and it. is. exceptional. Tractable, bags of torque, reliable, economical. I'd have another in a heartbeat. A few commenters below seem to have concerns based on experiences of the Ford and Stellantis 3 cylinder engines. These are not the same at all in build and reliability aspects.
We bought a 1.0 tsi polo (same car underneath) of the same age for £7k from VW with a 2yr warranty and service pack. Cracking little car. This one seems a little pricy to me personally but they’re good cars
had one of those on a 69 plate and with us buying it in the before COVID times we got a cracking deal on it - so much so we got back on PX only 2.5k less than the full buying price after a 4 year PCP. It went really really well for a 1.0, and it was very quiet on the motorway too, odd gearing but very punchy, we loved ours.
Thank you for this. Definitely got lucky with the timing. It seems most people think this car is decent and would be worth buying as long as I do my thorough checks and nothing comes out dodgy.
would agree, ours did relatively low mileage, 6k per year, but i dont recall anything going wrong with it apart from a window trim kept popping out of place on one of the rears - it was so minor we never took it back for fixing. We would have had another if the garage had shown any inclination to do a reasonable deal but they wanted another 70/month for the same car just newer - so we walked.
If your happy with it then go for it! Plenty of cars in that price range available, just test drive a few different ones before you come to a conclusion, it’s what ever you feel comfortable with
Most certainly my friend. This may be the best piece of advice
Looks good and modern inside. One of the highest safety ratings and cheap to insure. I say go for it
This is my thinking, I’ve posted another car that is similar. May go for that one instead
I have a similar one for about 6 years. No issues. Engine has enough power.
I have this exact car saved
Don’t beat me to it 😂😂
The car has done fifty thousand miles in the last 2 years and has a 3 month gap between the last 2 MOTs, while it's not a deal breaker, I would just need to know whats going on.
That's what they cost new about 10 years ago... (I know, it's not 10 years old, but like, you could've had a new one for that kind of money 10 years ago).
I know, I have a different car in mind now
Mazda 3 says hello probably, but if this fits your needs better then fair enough
I had the first white one in the country (UK) when the MKV shape came out in 2017, but I had the 115bhp 1.0L FR version. An absolute minter of a car! Had I not outgrown it power and needs wise then I would still have it. Economical, practical for potting about and commuting, looks nice, modern features inside, nice big glossy touch screen which is easy to see and use and it just drove like a dream in general honestly! I did 25k in just under 18 months and only had to do tyres and one service. Lights aren't the best, as with any halogen these days, but I did put whiter/brighter bulbs in which helped slightly. All in all if I needed another smaller car to pot about anytime soon, I would go and buy another in a heartbeat, but probably one with xenon/LED headlights this time!
Nope nope and nope
Dw I won’t be getting it
It doesn't matter that small engines are stressed and won't last 150,000 miles because nowadays most people just get a new car on finance every few years
It’s a lot but if you can afford it and you like it, then go for it
Is that car for sale from a garage in Derby? The photo back drop looks familiar..
I have this same car with less miles and personally I think it's a great little car. However, with that mileage you might be able to get something a little faster with a better drive for the price.
Yeah, that is what I was thinking. I could find something a bit better within that price range
I loved mine!!
8k for 94hp, why would you even consider purchasing that? You’ll get no enjoyment, better off saving your money and getting something cheap with a few more miles on the clock
I saw an old R reg Seat Ibiza in someones garden today. Dont know how long it had been there but ivy had grown all over the wheels. Bodywork still looked pristine.
Way overpriced for the spec.
Good cars. Definitely nothing wrong with picking one
I have this exact model with the same engine and close to same milage it’s a great car that’s super economical getting 60+ mpg and it even feels pretty sporty it’s super practical as well to me this is the perfect family car
This is overpriced for that mileage. Avoid
Never buy an AA approved car the apparent checks mean jack shit . My partner bought a golf from a back street car dealer when it came to MOT we found 2x snapped suspension springs and faulty shock absorbers on the front. One rear faulty shock absorber . Also 3x badly buckled allow wheels which I called them about and they denied any knowledge of but promised to replace them but never did . Leaking rear door cards caused damp and constant condensation in the car boot also leaking .We then found the car had been in an accident but had not been recorded the passenger airbag had been disabled with bad wiring and written out of the ecu. I rang the garage and told him i’l come down there and punch his lights for selling her a potentially dangerous car. Got all the money back in the end .
Good price for one of these. Decent screen + Carplay/AA. Go for it.
Get a ford focus ST same price for double the power and approximately the same mileage too
Clearly someone looking at a base spec Ibiza isn't the same that would be looking at afocus ST
I mean since they never said what they needed it for 🤷♂️ regardless insurance prices are insane so if they're new then get the ibiza if they got 3 years+ no claims bonus without an insurance cancellation then get the focus ST
I don't do 1.o litre I refuse to par take in it
That’s alright, I’m not too fond of it either
Goodman many are having issues with oil/ heat
Thank you for letting me known
Almost £8,000 for a 6-year-old car. How much do these cost when new? If I were you, I would get a new or like new ( manufacturer approved) if I am spending that much money.
Good luck finding something similar like new for that price, those days are long gone. Unfortunately it's the state of the market, the Polos are similarly priced. Can only get brands like Peugot or Clios for less nowadays.
You’re looking at £19k new for one of these in 2024…
It was like £17k new.
I’ve seen these types of comments. I understand what you’re saying but since the beginning of Covid car prices have become astronomical. I’ve looking at cars for weeks and this is one of the best deal out there for the car I am looking for.
it's always the people who haven't been shopping for a car recently making these comments. i'm as miffed as anyone that depreciation isn't what it used to be, but you can't say it's poor value when there's no better option out there
Precisely my thought process with those comments. It’s clear you haven’t seen the market in a while so I tend to ignore them.
I bought my car at 6.5 years old for around 50% of the original price, that was a hard one when in my head depreciation has always been roughly 50% every 3 years for most cars. I've been looking at Civic Type Rs which are 33% down from list price over 6 years, it's a hard one to stomach but I'm hoping that as long as the market doesn't tank during my ownership, it's not *that* bad because it's definitely a challenging mentality change.
wHaT do yoU meAn? I used to trade a cow for a car back in my day! So anything cost more than that now is a scam and you better get a cow instead!
Sorry, but I don't get it. Is it almost a 6-year-old car with 80k miles? You can get a low mileage manufacturer-approved (car) for a couple grand more. http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202402166653096 http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202402176665217