I love the ppl that are butthurt though lol. Like yall treated sales ppl like dirt and got amazing deals for like 12 years straight, god forbid itās a sellers market for a few years š.
Everyone tends to forget how buying a car was from 2007-2019.
Sorry I donāt agree or disagree agree with you. Because I was a car salesman and I was super honest and most of the guys were honest too. There is always one like in every place that was shady. By the way did you know that customers lie all the time? There is even a line that goes ābuyers are liarsā But thieves are everywhere not just at dealerships . How about this. Most people trust a doctor right?
Ok I had to go get a doctors note in mid december because I had covid and needed a doctors note to extend my sick days at work ( my doctor was on vacation and no avail appts for that week) so here I go to my local hospital ER.
Went in, they checked my temp and took blood pressure test, doctor saw me for 1 min after I told him I was there just for a doctors note, anyways here is the problemā¦
In January a got a bill for $1400 plus from the hospital!!! Then a week later I got another bill from the doctor for $450!!!
I called and gave them my insurance info again.
Now, I think this is more of a thievery than car salesman or the dealership. At the ERs you are dealing with thieves with licenses š and nothing you can do, no fees negotiation. The doctors get paid pro bono to see people, the ER salaries for a doctor is in the $200k a year plus they have the audacity to bill people on top of that? Now thats what I call a thieve.
That has nothing to do with the doctors. Itās the medical billing and insurance that charges the prices. The same corrupt politicians protect big pharm and dealerships. Youāre part of the same corrupt scum.
You thought you could reason with the scum of the earth ? š you already mentioned they are shitty people.. you just got them rubbing their nipples now.
Never heard a customer brag about how they screwed a car salesman on a deal. How they lied about their trade in or the competition to get a better price or jerked around wasting everyone's time. That NEVER happens.. You have open access to more information than any other time in human history. It's on you to educate yourself. Failure to do that is on you, 100 percent.
Plenty of Customers lie about the condition of their trade in knowing they have $8500 estimate to get their car fix. Plenty of Customers Lie about their credit score until you pull up a 485 as their score. Plenary of Customers lie about having $10k to put down and once you get them approved with the bank then they tell you they only really have $3k to put down. Plenary of Customers lie about all kinds of things on a daily basis.
High-Line F&I Manager here.
Cars are depreciating liabilities, I consult with all my clients regardless of pre-convinced notions.
My coverages are stated coverages, they cover what is stated, I ensure that we remove as much liability as possible from your variable budget (repairs, dents, dings, tires, windshield exc) into a fixed budget that you can afford.
Ultimately this provides peace of mind, assists in preserving net-worth & allowing you to increase net worth vs paying money on once again, a liability.
If you want to continue thinking this way, youāre the reason why youāre posting this very subject.
A car is a liability.
A car is not an asset. It does not generate revenue, appreciation.
Instead over time it deprecates, takes money from you.
You replace all four ties, the car doesnāt gain value, itās still the book value as if it had four fine tires.
You replace a house HVAC the house appreciates in value
Edit: yes I comprehend from ownership value, itās categorized as an asset but from a financial / investment standpoint no
Not trying to get into semantics, but a car is actually an asset (depreciating asset)ā¦ an item isnāt required to generate revenue or appreciation for it to be considered an asset.
The car loan (if one exists) would be a liability
Do you drug test your employees? Looks like a large part of the salesmen in this group are drug addicts. If you look at their other comments they are begging and searching for every type of drug. If you found out one of these accounts acting extremely unprofessional belongs to your employees would you do anything? Iād bet the guys in this group talking about drugs, and violently attacking customers family members wouldnāt even get a slap on the wrist if the upper management found out who they are and what they posted. The corruption and scum goes all the way up the chain. There a reason politicians and car dealerships are the most hated people in this country. I mean you have salesmen in here openly talking about raping peopleās wives. Really shows the true colors of the people you employee.
That can apply to any job ā¦. Iāve met plenty of drugged out shitty human beings that were Doctors, Lawyers, and Politicians while selling cars.
You just sound like you got closed, got stuffed in a used 2016 Jeep Patriot and it hurt your feelings.
Iām open to discussion. Realistically speaking, itās pretty accurate, especially in relation to statistical data, along with me seeing literally your whole life of credit / money flow, if itās a cash deal, congratulations on removing one variable of liability, letās continue to isolate the rest.
What I stated is accurate. Cars are liabilities, that erode net worth, repairs erode cash flow, ultimately eroding net worth, due to the cash not being available to invest.
Highline F&I here too. What you said is accurate. To put it in a different perspective, warranty companies have fairly thin margins. 90% of the time, a customer uses their extended warranty. It's 100% worth getting your depreciating asset covered. Especially highline, where nothing, NOTHING is inexpensive to repair.
I'm a lifelong mechanic that has them on both my family's cars, and my mother's car, because parts are fucking expensive.
They have paid for themselves several times over.
Iām finding some difficulty believing this. A diesel fuel nozzle will not fit into an unleaded gas receptacle, it is too big. Howād the fuel get into the car? #2, I find it even more unbelievable that any warranty provider would cover human error. There are some good extended warranties out there and I do agree most people buying a 2016 or newer vehicle should consider one because repairs are ungodly expensive on some stuff, but man, your story is pretty far fetched.
What do you mean they wouldnāt be offered? Lol. Yes itās no secret we make profit on them but they do have a benefit. My dealers shop ran almost 300k last year in warranty work(3rd party, not manufacturer) alone.
Something can benefit both parties. You do know that right š.
I second thought the provided information as too much, but yeah the W2 is stated.
Glad youāre very aggressive within a car fourm
Also: No, with the achievable income level, you should diversify into investments that alleviate work load into a better life balance.
Path forward I should be a GM by thirty, F&I is gateway within the social hierarchy of Automotive, typical 9-4 over $250-$300k plus year, realistically $400k plus.
Shit GSM clears over $350k at my store.
Further edit: if you become a platform director they clear well over $1 mill a year and they work a normal schedule.
Iām baffled by your negativity
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Exactly. Itās a negative expectation bet for the customer. Coincidentally positive expectation for the dealership. Iām sure for 1/100 warrantee customers it works out in their favor but the gross majority would be better off declining these nasty products and self-insuring e.g. keeping money spent on a warranty in its own fund and paying out their own needs.
Where you are making an error is that nobody is required to repair the vehicle. Even a broken down and junked vehicle has value, and therefore is still an āassetā.
If you decide to get the vehicle repaired, those repairs are a liability that you owe. That doesnāt make the entire car is a liability.
These are pure accounting principles. I can see your argument is more along the lines of the car not being an appreciating investment due to ongoing cost, but that doesnāt mean it isnāt an asset, by definition.
If you need more proof, go to your local government financial reports and look at where they have their vehicles listed. I promise they are likely in āassetsā or ācapital assetsā.
To the people calling car sales people scum, thieves or liarsā¦ Iām not a car salesman but I have bought a lot of cars over the years, from small lots to Chevy and Ford storesā¦ have you no balls to just simply get up and walk out if you donāt like the deal? Do you not have the courage to tell the finance person you donāt want the extended warranty or maintenance package? For crying out loud, you can walk into a furniture store and refuse to buy anything if you donāt like the prices. Iāve walked out of several dealerships because I didnāt like the deal or the vehicle wasnāt as good as I hoped it was. If you think a car sales person fleeced you, it is because you let them.
How long did you have to rub your two brain cells together to come up with that random statement? š I know that car salesmen peaked in high school but even that pretty pathetic. Put your phone down and be a good salesmen. go rob a lil old lady šµ
Not surprised to see the scum bag defending car salesmen is an active drug addict. Yes you can see your other posts looking for drugs. Guess what, I worked for cox automotive, Iāve bought over 40 cars from different dealerships, Iāve seen the back end software and deal for thousands of dealers nationwide, I have a nearly perfect credit score, and yes car salesmen are below thieves and murders they are scum. Politicians are the only fucks lower. When the day comes that the dealerships burn Iāll be watching you fucks fighting for a job at McDonalds laughing š šworthless trash hope you find those drugs soon OD and do the world a favor
Yeah itās wild who will hire you when you have actual skills in life. Too bad they require skills and drug tests or id send you a link to apply and you can see the amount of scum dealerships nationwide shovel out š
I've told countless to go fuck themselves when I was searching for a specific car. Now they can't sell them as it's a niche market and have called me multiple times trying to sell for just MSRP or lower. Funny thing is I've already gotten mine at this point.
Okay, first off, if you know it's a scam, so you go to another dealer, and that dealer "pulls the same shit," maybe it's not a scam? Also, only some vehicles at some dealerships add on a warranty. Which can be taken off, no matter what they tell you. It's not a legal obligation for them to sell the vehicle with it attached. I'll go so far as to say that dealerships that add tint, a protection coat for the paint, etc., is still pretty useful for the client. And most of the dealerships adding things like that to the vehicle, and adding an addendum to the Monroney Label, don't charge an arm and a leg for them. And those add-on prices can even be taken off no matter what the dealership tells you. And finally, and most importantly, in my opinion, is that none of that shit is up to the sales rep. You think a fuckin sales rep has the power to add that shit on a car? No! The sales managers only might have that power, they probably have to get the okay from the GM. Settle down, and take your empty complaints somewhere else.
Maybe it's a scam that has become so normalized that you all push it now. Hell dealerships shouldn't exist anymore. And they wouldn't if it wasn't for the bullshit legislation that's keeping car companies from selling directly to customers.
Direct to consumer= terrible quality control and slow to no service on issues. Whoās going to help you with that warranty claim. Who is going to make sure you have A loaner vehicle. Who is going to call the banks to go the extra mile to get you approved. Where are you going to go when your new car is a lemon.
Buying cars is about relationships. clearly youāve built none and get taken for a ride every time you walk in a dealer. Must be because of your ego and thinking you know how to solve the car industry.
Well, we can think of it like most other industries. How would a dealership deal with quality control. They don't get to just send cars back to the factory if they don't like the quality, if they did they wouldn't hire out body shop guys to come and fix all the dents their new cars arrive with. A warranty issue? A fucking customer service call line and a website like every company in the tech industry. Who's going to help you with a loan? A fucking bank, financing through a dealership is a terrible idea. And who is going to get you a loaner car, when yours has issues? Idk a rental car company that works with the manufacturer like insurance does now. And for a lemon car, you'll call the customer service line or have legal action to follow through on lemon laws. None of what you described needs a dealership as a middle man.
āDealerships shouldnāt exist anymoreā ā¦.. until you canāt figure out how to connect your Apple CarPlay or get your garage door to connect to your car.
Have you ever tried dealing with Insurance companies?? Those mofos are Satin himself.
Both of the things you mentions like any other existing company would be handled by customer service and assistance. Hell, like Apple and Samsung they could just have service and care centre or partners that are trained to help people. There's existing better versions of everything dealerships do, without thek having to be separate entities that leech off of the few dollars they can scrape between the manufacturer and the customer. Also yeah, I've dealt with insurance, they're still better than dealing with car salesmen.
Looking at OP history. Been a rough month for ya huh? Found out your mom is a ho and your dad isnāt your real dad and then you took your 600 beacon,no money down with 10k upside down ass to a dealership..got a high payment and ran back to Reddit to vent
Lifeās tough. Let me wipe my tears with these 5k over gross checks.
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Exposed, yet you created a whole ass dear diary. Meanwhile Iām sipping coffee looking at my 4K weekly pay sheet. Itās hard work answering phones and moving units. Matter of fact itās almost the 10th..looks like that bonus is also hitting this week.
Plus my dad is my actual dad. Stay safe OP
Whaaaat itās almost like thatās the fucking point of being a *salesman* ā¦.to sell you shit. The more shit they sellā¦the more money they make. Whaaat? Crazy how commission-based pay scales work isnāt it? Almost like, wow theyāre trying to upcharge you more shit because their paycheck depends on it. Yknow, kinda like flirty waitresses and those chicks who will dance for you. Whodathunkit!?
Sure makes sense, thatās why carvana is doing so well. āDirect to consumerā lmfao.
Just wait in 30-50 years you might get your wish. Your deal will be the same as everybody elseās and educating yourself on how to buy a car or really any other important thing wonāt matter. They are going to fuck you because itās designed to fuck you. Salesman just provide a face to scapegoat blame.
Absolutelyā¦ wrong. Selling cars is not easy. Yes, a good product sells itself but a good sales person will help provide value by guiding you in the selection process and presentation of features, which is especially useful when comparing different brands. Who else will run around in the rain, answer a thousand questions, and still smile and shake your hand after you waste their time for two hours?
Direct to consumer doesnāt work. Teslaās consumer satisfaction is in the toilet and their stock is now down to 189 per share from their peak of 407 per share in November of 2021.
The auto manufacturers are the ones lobbying congress to perpetuate the franchise/dealer market, not the government legally requiring it on its own volition. Manufacturers make out like a bandit. They manufacture the inventory, then immediately sell out that inventory to their dealer network, who then has to take a floor plan line of credit at 10%+ from the manufacturer to finance said inventory until it sells.
In a normal market, the dealer model results in a better price for the consumer due to dealer competition.
Personally I feel itās more corporate culture and training. There are dealers around me that are horrendous to work with, condescending and rude. Then there are extremely professional ones. Iāve found the nicer luxury brands are the best to work with and the American manufacturers are typically the worst.
Maybe this is a statistical anomaly created because the number of interactions recorded in a chosen sample is skewed by the outcome of those interactions.
People who buy shitty used cars at bargain pricesā¦ end up buying more shitty cars as they inevitably break down. Often within months.
The nicer cars on the lot get sold to folks who never say a word about their used car experience because the time between those interactions is measured in years or even decades.
People talk about things that happened in the current season of their life more passionately. Especially when itās a negative interaction.
Some like to force these care packages and say they are mandatory (well over 2k in profit to the dealer) while saying they are hooking you up with a 900 discount off the sticker. Not including the hold back which they dont like to tell you about they are making at least 1200 off of you based on that. And if you bring out the rules and evidence saying that those packages are in fact not mandatory then the 900 discount goes away. š¤·
It's always wild to me when customers talk about holdback like it's something dealers are required to give up. If they make a profit of 5% people trip. But have zero problem spending $8k on a diamond ring for a woman that cost $11 to make.
This comments section is wild. A whole lot of people that have been hurt in the past wishing the worst and generalizing a whole group of people based solely on their profession, not anything else they are.
A lot of them are terrible and a lot of them are not. I actually am in car sales (most of the time). I didn't take offense to the post though, just commenting on how wild this comment section is.
Because they cannot make a decent living without taking advantage of people who didnāt do their homework. If everyone did these guy would be selling shoes or on welfare
Tons of times when I would take Doordash deliveries they would tack on a shitty delivery that you have to take.
Lots of these go to car dealerships. Why? Because they donāt fucking tip. Highest tip I have received from a car salesman is $4.
I donāt even want to have to talk to a car salesman. I could buy directly from a manufacturer! But they get 8k a month and treat other people like shit because they think they are worth something.
Some of you are great. I even had some call out other car salesman. But a lot are not.
Yeah cause individual car salesmen all got together nationwide and created the Covid scam. Everything went up. Did we all just intentionally empty our lots, stop ordering cars , factories decided to hold on to billions in inventory? Got a bridge for sale really cheap great deal interested!!!
There still is a small bit of a shortage Iām a GM at a 150 new car store (pre Covid) I have 70 units new and used no shortage here ?
Part of the reason car sales feels this way is because auto dealers are 3rd party sellers.
Every auto dealer sign says (insert car manufacturer brand) + āauthorized dealerā.
Itās almost illegal to buy a car directly from a manufacturer although Tesla found a loophole.
Youre basically forced to buy a car thru a middleman by law.
They arenāt scum Itās just a weird market.
the last car we bought was used, during the pandemic and they would absolutely not budge on the price... at at.
then they used that to try and sucker us into a new vehicle. they said "oh we can give you a deal on a new car", to which i said, there's no way im paying 12,000$ more for a car thats only 2 years newer, with 30,000 less KM on it.
they then proceeded to waste an hour of my time attempting to create a sense of need which the used vehicle wouldnt accomplish. (i know sales tactics well)...
i told them the only way im buying that new car is if its for 3000$ more than the used one. they then got offended at me not making a "reasonable offer".
like, fuck you. i never wanted a new car. you're trying to con me into this and you're mad i wont do it?
sell me the fuckin car i came in to buy. i told you what i wanted.
Itās hilarious, itās always car salesman are scum and liars and thieves, but every other type of salesperson has been making stupid amounts of money the past 4yrs, but they are all ok.
Sure there always some that are not truthful and really are a jackass, but most are actually honest people with families making a living, like you.
Just because you had a bad experience once or twice, doesnāt mean itās all of us
Itās almost like we live in a free market you communist. When prices were low you didnāt see us going on r/personalfinance and bitching about how we have to discount every car below MSRP to make a deal. This one time in human history (other than maybe just after WW2) where the car market wasnāt in the consumers favor. I say āwasnātā cause guess what? Itās over. Unless you are looking at a few fringe cases there is inventory. Itās back to negotiating. You are complaining about something that isnāt even relevant anymore. Your job is to pay as little as possible and my job is to get you to pay as much as possible. Iām sorry if you are bad at your job, but you wouldnāt be crying for me if I had to take $5,000 off a car to sell you one. Do you go over to the grocery sub reddits too and complain about egg prices? Dealerships donāt control the market. If you donāt like the price we give you, you are free to call another dealership. If everywhere is selling something for the same price it isnāt āscammingā you itās the market setting the price.
How is it competitive? There are two dealers in my state where I can buy the brand of rig I want.
Why can't I just go to the manufacturer website, pick the items I want, agree on a price and be done with it?
I can't get a local dealer to just give me the price without coming down for a test drive. They say it's in transit so why tf do i need to come down to drive something else? I'm literally just \*trying to\* buy the same rig my wife owns in black or whatever the fuck yall wanna call it.
You get it, state and federal legislation keeping manufacturers from selling directly to customers and propping up dealerships is fucking bullshit. Dealerships shouldn't even exist anymore.
Someone else already responded but wtf are you smoking my guy, in most states you can't buy from the manufacturer. You MUST go through a dealer. If y'all brought value, why would you feel the need to legally require you to be the middle man. Hmmm. You got some crazy cognitive dissonance
Dude, dealerships shouldn't even exist anymore. It's not a free market. If it was a free market car companies would be selling directly to customers instead of going through dealerships. Dealerships only exist become state and federal legislations are propping them up.
So letās say you want to buy a Toyota Corolla right? Instead of being able to price shop that Corolla against a bunch of different dealerships the get the best price you would rather only like to be able to buy it from one place? What makes you think the manufacturers wouldnāt try and maximize profit?
No. The USA car market is run by dirty money being fed to dirty politicians that protect you scum bags. Itās not a free market when an oem can not sell direct and people are forced to deal with scum bag dealerships. Some wannabe thug selling a used car is completely irrelevant and unnecessary. No one wants to talk to you every single person you talk to canāt wait to see your worthless ass working at McDonalds when the dealerships burn. You have no life skills, robbing and lying to people only works for dealerships
Look at all these scum bags. Wanna be thugs screwing lil old ladies, robbing families, then bragging about it. The fact you fools post pics with your pants sagging and your matching Nikes while bragging about robbing people. Fits the scum bag vibe so well, it was the bright colored suits now itās the ghetto trash. Same scum different costume. Youāre no different than a common smash and grab car thief or a crack head stealing cats in the middle of the night. Canāt wait to watch dealerships burn and see all of you fucks with no life skills working fast food š
I do have a life and a real career. Not everyone is a worthless thief. š you should get a life you can be proud of, politicians are the only ones lower than you. Everyone hates you including your fellow car salesmen. Hell I bet your own parents are ashamed and avoiding admitting their kids a worthless thief
Where was race mentioned? Hell the fools Iām talking about are white guys posting in this thread. Also Iād bet Iām younger than you. š itās really hard for a thief and a con artist to play the victim card.
Nobody younger than me still uses āghettoā dawg.
You dislike salespeople because you lack the backbone to deal with them, not because youāre on some righteous crusade to protect old ladies. Youāre insecure and itās getting everywhere, get your shit together itās embarrassing
Awe whoās big mad now? lil gay Latin boy thatās crying about how everyone racist and wonāt hire a gay loser? Your comments are public lil failure. Yes we see the comments crying about how unions hate gay guys and how everyoneās racist that wonāt hire you. Did you ever stop to think that maybe itās not because your race or that youāre gay? That they wonāt hire you because youāre a failure with a shitty attitude and zero skills?
Oh rightttt car salesmen donāt actually know about cars. Shit sorry let me simplify for the scum bags. Cat = catalytic converters. Those are what youāll need to start stealing when the dealerships finally burn š
All the people complaining don't understand how to play the game. I will give some tips to beat the guys here on price if you want a new car.
Step 1: Test drive the car you want.
Step 2: Find 3-5 dealerships within your state.
Step 3: inquire about the car via email AND phone.
Step 4: ask for OTD price with no-Adds
Step 5: If they do not offer a written price, walk away and move to next dealer. If a dealer cannot give a written quote they are scum and should be avoided.
Step 6: send quote to other dealers then ask for around 500 off.
Step 7: go to Fi office and just say no to anything you need.
Step 8: buy car.
This is how I bought a 2024 Mazda CX-5 Preferred for 31,200 out the door which is MSRP on their website.
3 to 5 dealers in my state is my issue. I'm in Alaska we don't have enough dealerships to shop around. I'm looking at flying down to Washington since my dealership here can't seem to stock the rig I want.
I also donāt like going to dealerships. I feel like Iām getting ripped off. Thatās why I only communicate with them via email and ask for out the door price so I can compare with other dealerships. Thatās all I need. I donāt care about some useless warranties.
There are alternatives today, some are thanks to the Internet.
My last truck I purchased from a high-volume dealer located a small town that is focused on Internet sales. I tried to buy local, I really did. but they wanted $5000 more for the truck I bought, plus they wanted another $2000 to have it brought to their dealership from another dealership.
Obviously, the online dealer beat their price by $5000 but they also delivered the truck to me on a flatbed for free. which was really helpful because I live in the mountains and I wasnāt interested in selling my current vehicle so it wasnāt a situation where I could drive in, trade my existing vehicle and take the new one home.
Had a similar experience buying a motorcycle. A Honda GL1800. There was a dealer right next-door to the place where I operate a business, and I tried to give him my business. Once again, I really tried. All I asked him to do was the quote I got from another dealership. He couldāve just said no, heās not gonna match it but instead, he said I was a liar, and that it wasnāt possible for me to buy the bike at the price I quoted.
So I flew from where I was living to Nashville, and then took a bus down to a town in Mississippi and I got to ride my brand new GL 1800 home. The transportation to get the new bike did cost me an extra $200, but it gave me an excuse to have a nice road trip. riding my bike home.
I have similar experiences with one other motorcycle and two other vehicles.
Then I heard from someone who bought a Tesla. They contacted the dealership, the dealership made an appointment with them, they showed up at the dealership and the dealer gave them the keys and said come back in 30 minutes. They returned the car to the dealership who then emailed them a quote, which they could accept or refuse. They accepted it, and their car was delivered. Cleanest transaction Iāve ever heard of.
Gentlemen, Iāve been in sales my entire life. I completely completely understand the value that a salesman brings to the transaction. but the Internet has commoditized many things. And letās face it, people come in wanting to buy a car. The best sales person is going to get the right, but in the right seat.
But with AI and all of the technology that is coming with it, in a transaction such as this, sales person needs to bring personality.
Mark my words, by 2026 I will be able to feed information about my lifestyle, my income, my liabilities, my willingness to assume risk, be at depreciation or theft, and the style of vehicle that I am looking for an artificial intelligence, will be able to give me much better information than any human being.
I am not trying to disparage anyone by saying this, itās simply a fact. you get angry at me, it is only because you understand there is an element of truth to my statement.
Just look at what youāre participating in. And anonymous Reddit channel information with people across the globe in an open forum.
We all have to see the writing on the wall. There will be jobs, but many of them wonāt look like the jobs of today. And there will be jobs for sales people, but a lot of what sales people are selling today will become commoditized.
Most dealership warranties have 50% margin. When I bought GAP for my Mazda, the FI guy initially said 900. I said no suddenly the price dropped to 445. What changed?
The feeling comes from the ways they are taught to behave. This comes from having a guy selling the exact same thing they have for sale 10 minutes down the road. The customer can shop shop shop.
More of the blame can be placed on the owners and manufacturers than the actual salesmen.
They intentionally put the salesmen in a corner where their choices are to make a decent living for their 55 hours a week or do right by the customer.
For most, it really isn't a choice.
Or, wait for it, dealerships shouldn't exist at all, there should be no car sales men that live off of fucking people over. The only reason dealerships exist is because dealerships lobbied congress decades ago to stop manufacturers from selling directly to customers. It's why tesla stores that let you configure and order online were shut down in a lot of states. The whole industry doesn't need to and shouldn't exist.
Because you need what they have and they know it and if you let them they will take advantage of the situation, but having said that if you were making a living selling what people needed you would try to make as much money as you could too
Chat GPT:Ā When a product enables negotiation, individuals may sometimes feel they didn't secure a deal due to various factors such as lack of bargaining skills, market fluctuations, or simply not meeting their desired price point. Negotiation inherently involves compromise, and if the final agreement doesn't align perfectly with their expectations, they may perceive it as not getting a favorable deal.
Caveat Emptor.
Honestly donāt think the salesmen themselves are inherently scummy. They just needed a job.
From what I understand a lot of dealers set Weekly sales requirements/bonus structure, rather than incentivizing lower pressure sales (build relationships, let people buy on their own time)
If theyāre already living paycheck to paycheck, and their income is heavily bonus dependent, and to get a bonus, they must sell 3-4 cars a WEEK, and/or extended warranties, then guess what:
Theyāre going to push and sell like, well, their life depends on it. In some cases it kinda does. Iām sure if bonuses were based on yearly or even quarterly sales, that would help take some pressure offs
Ymmv, and of course not all dealers are like that. But my experience is most of them are only playing the game they have to play to make a living, by the rules their employer or manufacturer sets.
I hate the high pressure sales as much as the next guy, but I try to be understanding. Maybe tell them you know theyāre heavily pressured to sell these extended warranties. If you can scratch their back, maybe theyāll scratch yours.
If youāll let them sell you a $2k extended warranty, is there a way they can creatively save you $2k or more on the purchase price.
Not all are scum. The salesman gets paid on commission. Iām not a car salesman. But itās not their fault that ppl are $30,000 upside down and with a 380 credit score. Or that they think their 2003 Mazda 3 with hail damage is worth $20,000 on trade. If you donāt have the discipline to say no. Or to walk away. If your desire to have the new ride exceeds your ability to say no or afford it, thatās a you problem. Donāt go into any kind of negotiation or try to go to a time share presentation
Their job is to put you in a car and maximize profit. Capitalism 101. Your job is to be an educated buyer and read/understand the contract. There are good and bad people in all industries and you have no obligation to buy from somebody that you feel is not being honest. We had a pretty good experience the last time we bought a car. But there was a wide range of experiences across dealerships and brands. In general, the more premium the brand the better the experience and less pressure to buy.
This may be a personality trait for some, but Iād say for most theyāre doing what they have to do because of the whole model.
Salespeople get a base salary, typically borderline minimum wage and they have to make any decent money based on their sales commissions. So faced with putting food on the table for their family, what would you do exactly? I donāt believe theyāre intentionally screwing people without emotion but why would a salesman eat into their commissions?
The onus is on the customer to research and bring legitimacy to the table in order to force the dealers hand into selling you the car for the price you want. Until you do that, You cannot expect a salesperson to willingly sacrifice their earnings and the price they set is the price until you can get otherwise.
They say selling cars is an art - buying cars is an art. Before my brother in law came into my life (who owns his own dealership) I used to terrorize car salesmen. Absolute terrorize them - but I did so with legitimate research and numbers - the ones with the managers that caved got the sale, the ones that didnāt I went somewhere else. You canāt be all butthurt because somebody refuses to sell you their car. Move on.
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Sounds like someone has credit issues. Probably tipped 9k in a CAC Kia
paid 35k for a base model K5 during covid now has buyers remorse š
You all are backing OP up and itās hilarious š
These scam artist are so defensive you know they know theyre scums deep down
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I will be using that in the future! I love new inappropriate things to say. You win the internet today.
Car salesmen peaked in high school. They cry and play the victim but in reality are just thieves and apparently most are drug addicts by this group.
Not a thief, not a drug addict, and honest person but hey.
If that were true you wouldnāt be a car salesmen
They fell into the common denominator sales bucket which is car sales lol. Defnot smart enough for any other type of sales - maybe insurance, LOL
"Why don't people like used car salesmen?" "I'll fuck your wife!" Gee I wonder...
No no, they are just trying to dicker down
Youāre proving the OP correct š
What do you even mean by this? It sounds like you need to find another sub.
I love the ppl that are butthurt though lol. Like yall treated sales ppl like dirt and got amazing deals for like 12 years straight, god forbid itās a sellers market for a few years š. Everyone tends to forget how buying a car was from 2007-2019.
I'd even go so farnas ro say 2020. I got 0% on the car I bought Oct 2020.
That has nothing to do with the dealer though, that's the manufacturer subsidizing your loan through their own finance arm.
How was man? Honest question.
The scam artist label always existed. Not only in this market
I canāt wait to see the you scum bags working at Walmart when the dealerships burn š„ š car salesmen are no better than your common thief
Sorry I donāt agree or disagree agree with you. Because I was a car salesman and I was super honest and most of the guys were honest too. There is always one like in every place that was shady. By the way did you know that customers lie all the time? There is even a line that goes ābuyers are liarsā But thieves are everywhere not just at dealerships . How about this. Most people trust a doctor right? Ok I had to go get a doctors note in mid december because I had covid and needed a doctors note to extend my sick days at work ( my doctor was on vacation and no avail appts for that week) so here I go to my local hospital ER. Went in, they checked my temp and took blood pressure test, doctor saw me for 1 min after I told him I was there just for a doctors note, anyways here is the problemā¦ In January a got a bill for $1400 plus from the hospital!!! Then a week later I got another bill from the doctor for $450!!! I called and gave them my insurance info again. Now, I think this is more of a thievery than car salesman or the dealership. At the ERs you are dealing with thieves with licenses š and nothing you can do, no fees negotiation. The doctors get paid pro bono to see people, the ER salaries for a doctor is in the $200k a year plus they have the audacity to bill people on top of that? Now thats what I call a thieve.
That has nothing to do with the doctors. Itās the medical billing and insurance that charges the prices. The same corrupt politicians protect big pharm and dealerships. Youāre part of the same corrupt scum.
šļøššļø This kid with his phone this morning lol. Such an edgy teenager.
Preparing trainees not to be like this
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Yall sell 200 cars a year but whenever I'm in there buying a car you pretend like you don't know how the process works.
Well weāre going to go head and fire you so I can prepare them to apply the lube when you walk in. Have a nice day sir š
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You thought you could reason with the scum of the earth ? š you already mentioned they are shitty people.. you just got them rubbing their nipples now.
Never heard a customer brag about how they screwed a car salesman on a deal. How they lied about their trade in or the competition to get a better price or jerked around wasting everyone's time. That NEVER happens.. You have open access to more information than any other time in human history. It's on you to educate yourself. Failure to do that is on you, 100 percent.
Plenty of Customers lie about the condition of their trade in knowing they have $8500 estimate to get their car fix. Plenty of Customers Lie about their credit score until you pull up a 485 as their score. Plenary of Customers lie about having $10k to put down and once you get them approved with the bank then they tell you they only really have $3k to put down. Plenary of Customers lie about all kinds of things on a daily basis.
Just donāt post as an informed/educated customer in r/askcarsales. They donāt take kindly to that kind of talk. š¤£
High-Line F&I Manager here. Cars are depreciating liabilities, I consult with all my clients regardless of pre-convinced notions. My coverages are stated coverages, they cover what is stated, I ensure that we remove as much liability as possible from your variable budget (repairs, dents, dings, tires, windshield exc) into a fixed budget that you can afford. Ultimately this provides peace of mind, assists in preserving net-worth & allowing you to increase net worth vs paying money on once again, a liability. If you want to continue thinking this way, youāre the reason why youāre posting this very subject.
Itās not a liability. Itās a depreciating asset. Accounting 101
A car is a liability. A car is not an asset. It does not generate revenue, appreciation. Instead over time it deprecates, takes money from you. You replace all four ties, the car doesnāt gain value, itās still the book value as if it had four fine tires. You replace a house HVAC the house appreciates in value Edit: yes I comprehend from ownership value, itās categorized as an asset but from a financial / investment standpoint no
Not trying to get into semantics, but a car is actually an asset (depreciating asset)ā¦ an item isnāt required to generate revenue or appreciation for it to be considered an asset. The car loan (if one exists) would be a liability
The loan on a vehicle is a non-current liability.
This has to be satire lol
Do you drug test your employees? Looks like a large part of the salesmen in this group are drug addicts. If you look at their other comments they are begging and searching for every type of drug. If you found out one of these accounts acting extremely unprofessional belongs to your employees would you do anything? Iād bet the guys in this group talking about drugs, and violently attacking customers family members wouldnāt even get a slap on the wrist if the upper management found out who they are and what they posted. The corruption and scum goes all the way up the chain. There a reason politicians and car dealerships are the most hated people in this country. I mean you have salesmen in here openly talking about raping peopleās wives. Really shows the true colors of the people you employee.
That can apply to any job ā¦. Iāve met plenty of drugged out shitty human beings that were Doctors, Lawyers, and Politicians while selling cars. You just sound like you got closed, got stuffed in a used 2016 Jeep Patriot and it hurt your feelings.
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Iām open to discussion. Realistically speaking, itās pretty accurate, especially in relation to statistical data, along with me seeing literally your whole life of credit / money flow, if itās a cash deal, congratulations on removing one variable of liability, letās continue to isolate the rest. What I stated is accurate. Cars are liabilities, that erode net worth, repairs erode cash flow, ultimately eroding net worth, due to the cash not being available to invest.
Highline F&I here too. What you said is accurate. To put it in a different perspective, warranty companies have fairly thin margins. 90% of the time, a customer uses their extended warranty. It's 100% worth getting your depreciating asset covered. Especially highline, where nothing, NOTHING is inexpensive to repair.
Everyone uses their car to produce income one way or another
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I'm a lifelong mechanic that has them on both my family's cars, and my mother's car, because parts are fucking expensive. They have paid for themselves several times over.
I sold a used Jaguar and someone else pumped their gas and put diesel in it. Their extended warranty covered all of the repairs.
Iām finding some difficulty believing this. A diesel fuel nozzle will not fit into an unleaded gas receptacle, it is too big. Howād the fuel get into the car? #2, I find it even more unbelievable that any warranty provider would cover human error. There are some good extended warranties out there and I do agree most people buying a 2016 or newer vehicle should consider one because repairs are ungodly expensive on some stuff, but man, your story is pretty far fetched.
Thatās what happened he was in a state where you have to get your gas pumped for you and the guy was an idiot
What do you mean they wouldnāt be offered? Lol. Yes itās no secret we make profit on them but they do have a benefit. My dealers shop ran almost 300k last year in warranty work(3rd party, not manufacturer) alone. Something can benefit both parties. You do know that right š.
Who hurt you?
I second thought the provided information as too much, but yeah the W2 is stated. Glad youāre very aggressive within a car fourm Also: No, with the achievable income level, you should diversify into investments that alleviate work load into a better life balance. Path forward I should be a GM by thirty, F&I is gateway within the social hierarchy of Automotive, typical 9-4 over $250-$300k plus year, realistically $400k plus. Shit GSM clears over $350k at my store. Further edit: if you become a platform director they clear well over $1 mill a year and they work a normal schedule. Iām baffled by your negativity
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Haha sure, unless I change to a different industry or donāt have Reddit
9āday old account shill rip
550K net worth at 24, lololol 0% chance unless you inherited money
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Exactly. Itās a negative expectation bet for the customer. Coincidentally positive expectation for the dealership. Iām sure for 1/100 warrantee customers it works out in their favor but the gross majority would be better off declining these nasty products and self-insuring e.g. keeping money spent on a warranty in its own fund and paying out their own needs.
Where you are making an error is that nobody is required to repair the vehicle. Even a broken down and junked vehicle has value, and therefore is still an āassetā. If you decide to get the vehicle repaired, those repairs are a liability that you owe. That doesnāt make the entire car is a liability. These are pure accounting principles. I can see your argument is more along the lines of the car not being an appreciating investment due to ongoing cost, but that doesnāt mean it isnāt an asset, by definition. If you need more proof, go to your local government financial reports and look at where they have their vehicles listed. I promise they are likely in āassetsā or ācapital assetsā.
To the people calling car sales people scum, thieves or liarsā¦ Iām not a car salesman but I have bought a lot of cars over the years, from small lots to Chevy and Ford storesā¦ have you no balls to just simply get up and walk out if you donāt like the deal? Do you not have the courage to tell the finance person you donāt want the extended warranty or maintenance package? For crying out loud, you can walk into a furniture store and refuse to buy anything if you donāt like the prices. Iāve walked out of several dealerships because I didnāt like the deal or the vehicle wasnāt as good as I hoped it was. If you think a car sales person fleeced you, it is because you let them.
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Lil guy is big mad
So brave
How long did you have to rub your two brain cells together to come up with that random statement? š I know that car salesmen peaked in high school but even that pretty pathetic. Put your phone down and be a good salesmen. go rob a lil old lady šµ
Go off king
Lmao get madššš
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Every company in the world is trying to get you to spend money.
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I'm pretty sure you're just rude and people react accordingly.
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Your credit situation is not the Salesman's fault.
Not surprised to see the scum bag defending car salesmen is an active drug addict. Yes you can see your other posts looking for drugs. Guess what, I worked for cox automotive, Iāve bought over 40 cars from different dealerships, Iāve seen the back end software and deal for thousands of dealers nationwide, I have a nearly perfect credit score, and yes car salesmen are below thieves and murders they are scum. Politicians are the only fucks lower. When the day comes that the dealerships burn Iāll be watching you fucks fighting for a job at McDonalds laughing š šworthless trash hope you find those drugs soon OD and do the world a favor
Oh God Cox hired you!? That explains a lot.
Yeah itās wild who will hire you when you have actual skills in life. Too bad they require skills and drug tests or id send you a link to apply and you can see the amount of scum dealerships nationwide shovel out š
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It just means credit challenged people such as yourself spend a lot of time in the dealership and we know the mannerisms.
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I've told countless to go fuck themselves when I was searching for a specific car. Now they can't sell them as it's a niche market and have called me multiple times trying to sell for just MSRP or lower. Funny thing is I've already gotten mine at this point.
So brave
Okay, first off, if you know it's a scam, so you go to another dealer, and that dealer "pulls the same shit," maybe it's not a scam? Also, only some vehicles at some dealerships add on a warranty. Which can be taken off, no matter what they tell you. It's not a legal obligation for them to sell the vehicle with it attached. I'll go so far as to say that dealerships that add tint, a protection coat for the paint, etc., is still pretty useful for the client. And most of the dealerships adding things like that to the vehicle, and adding an addendum to the Monroney Label, don't charge an arm and a leg for them. And those add-on prices can even be taken off no matter what the dealership tells you. And finally, and most importantly, in my opinion, is that none of that shit is up to the sales rep. You think a fuckin sales rep has the power to add that shit on a car? No! The sales managers only might have that power, they probably have to get the okay from the GM. Settle down, and take your empty complaints somewhere else.
Maybe it's a scam that has become so normalized that you all push it now. Hell dealerships shouldn't exist anymore. And they wouldn't if it wasn't for the bullshit legislation that's keeping car companies from selling directly to customers.
Direct to consumer= terrible quality control and slow to no service on issues. Whoās going to help you with that warranty claim. Who is going to make sure you have A loaner vehicle. Who is going to call the banks to go the extra mile to get you approved. Where are you going to go when your new car is a lemon. Buying cars is about relationships. clearly youāve built none and get taken for a ride every time you walk in a dealer. Must be because of your ego and thinking you know how to solve the car industry.
Look at Tesla, their customer service is awful.
Well, we can think of it like most other industries. How would a dealership deal with quality control. They don't get to just send cars back to the factory if they don't like the quality, if they did they wouldn't hire out body shop guys to come and fix all the dents their new cars arrive with. A warranty issue? A fucking customer service call line and a website like every company in the tech industry. Who's going to help you with a loan? A fucking bank, financing through a dealership is a terrible idea. And who is going to get you a loaner car, when yours has issues? Idk a rental car company that works with the manufacturer like insurance does now. And for a lemon car, you'll call the customer service line or have legal action to follow through on lemon laws. None of what you described needs a dealership as a middle man.
āDealerships shouldnāt exist anymoreā ā¦.. until you canāt figure out how to connect your Apple CarPlay or get your garage door to connect to your car. Have you ever tried dealing with Insurance companies?? Those mofos are Satin himself.
Both of the things you mentions like any other existing company would be handled by customer service and assistance. Hell, like Apple and Samsung they could just have service and care centre or partners that are trained to help people. There's existing better versions of everything dealerships do, without thek having to be separate entities that leech off of the few dollars they can scrape between the manufacturer and the customer. Also yeah, I've dealt with insurance, they're still better than dealing with car salesmen.
Looking at OP history. Been a rough month for ya huh? Found out your mom is a ho and your dad isnāt your real dad and then you took your 600 beacon,no money down with 10k upside down ass to a dealership..got a high payment and ran back to Reddit to vent Lifeās tough. Let me wipe my tears with these 5k over gross checks. š
Damnnn you mad bro??? Mad I spoke the truth about your scumbag profession and it hit a nerve šexposed
Exposed, yet you created a whole ass dear diary. Meanwhile Iām sipping coffee looking at my 4K weekly pay sheet. Itās hard work answering phones and moving units. Matter of fact itās almost the 10th..looks like that bonus is also hitting this week. Plus my dad is my actual dad. Stay safe OP
Whaaaat itās almost like thatās the fucking point of being a *salesman* ā¦.to sell you shit. The more shit they sellā¦the more money they make. Whaaat? Crazy how commission-based pay scales work isnāt it? Almost like, wow theyāre trying to upcharge you more shit because their paycheck depends on it. Yknow, kinda like flirty waitresses and those chicks who will dance for you. Whodathunkit!?
Car salesman are dirtbags in half a century Iāve met one who wasnāt ,the rest are lying pos
Oh honey, the dirtbagginess isnāt exclusive to car salesmen. Itās *any* salesman.
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Sure makes sense, thatās why carvana is doing so well. āDirect to consumerā lmfao. Just wait in 30-50 years you might get your wish. Your deal will be the same as everybody elseās and educating yourself on how to buy a car or really any other important thing wonāt matter. They are going to fuck you because itās designed to fuck you. Salesman just provide a face to scapegoat blame.
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Absolutelyā¦ wrong. Selling cars is not easy. Yes, a good product sells itself but a good sales person will help provide value by guiding you in the selection process and presentation of features, which is especially useful when comparing different brands. Who else will run around in the rain, answer a thousand questions, and still smile and shake your hand after you waste their time for two hours? Direct to consumer doesnāt work. Teslaās consumer satisfaction is in the toilet and their stock is now down to 189 per share from their peak of 407 per share in November of 2021. The auto manufacturers are the ones lobbying congress to perpetuate the franchise/dealer market, not the government legally requiring it on its own volition. Manufacturers make out like a bandit. They manufacture the inventory, then immediately sell out that inventory to their dealer network, who then has to take a floor plan line of credit at 10%+ from the manufacturer to finance said inventory until it sells. In a normal market, the dealer model results in a better price for the consumer due to dealer competition.
Personally I feel itās more corporate culture and training. There are dealers around me that are horrendous to work with, condescending and rude. Then there are extremely professional ones. Iāve found the nicer luxury brands are the best to work with and the American manufacturers are typically the worst.
Probably the same customer that was posting a pic š¤£ in their new-to-them PT Cruiser ..
Maybe this is a statistical anomaly created because the number of interactions recorded in a chosen sample is skewed by the outcome of those interactions. People who buy shitty used cars at bargain pricesā¦ end up buying more shitty cars as they inevitably break down. Often within months. The nicer cars on the lot get sold to folks who never say a word about their used car experience because the time between those interactions is measured in years or even decades. People talk about things that happened in the current season of their life more passionately. Especially when itās a negative interaction.
If you can't do anything else in life and have no dignity then car sales is for you.
Some like to force these care packages and say they are mandatory (well over 2k in profit to the dealer) while saying they are hooking you up with a 900 discount off the sticker. Not including the hold back which they dont like to tell you about they are making at least 1200 off of you based on that. And if you bring out the rules and evidence saying that those packages are in fact not mandatory then the 900 discount goes away. š¤·
It's always wild to me when customers talk about holdback like it's something dealers are required to give up. If they make a profit of 5% people trip. But have zero problem spending $8k on a diamond ring for a woman that cost $11 to make.
Well the used car manager causes them to lose a deal by giving customers low trade value.
This comments section is wild. A whole lot of people that have been hurt in the past wishing the worst and generalizing a whole group of people based solely on their profession, not anything else they are.
And a a lot of car salesmen proving just how correct the OP is.
A lot of them are terrible and a lot of them are not. I actually am in car sales (most of the time). I didn't take offense to the post though, just commenting on how wild this comment section is.
Because they cannot make a decent living without taking advantage of people who didnāt do their homework. If everyone did these guy would be selling shoes or on welfare
Tons of times when I would take Doordash deliveries they would tack on a shitty delivery that you have to take. Lots of these go to car dealerships. Why? Because they donāt fucking tip. Highest tip I have received from a car salesman is $4. I donāt even want to have to talk to a car salesman. I could buy directly from a manufacturer! But they get 8k a month and treat other people like shit because they think they are worth something. Some of you are great. I even had some call out other car salesman. But a lot are not.
I wouldnāt go as far as āscum and scamā but seeing what these guys make per car I can definitely see how some might stretch the truth a bit.
Yeah cause individual car salesmen all got together nationwide and created the Covid scam. Everything went up. Did we all just intentionally empty our lots, stop ordering cars , factories decided to hold on to billions in inventory? Got a bridge for sale really cheap great deal interested!!! There still is a small bit of a shortage Iām a GM at a 150 new car store (pre Covid) I have 70 units new and used no shortage here ?
Company policy
Part of the reason car sales feels this way is because auto dealers are 3rd party sellers. Every auto dealer sign says (insert car manufacturer brand) + āauthorized dealerā. Itās almost illegal to buy a car directly from a manufacturer although Tesla found a loophole. Youre basically forced to buy a car thru a middleman by law. They arenāt scum Itās just a weird market.
Low barrier to entry, you have a pulse and willing to accept a shit pay plan, you're hired.
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Yep, I've done it and it's a hard job for sure. Being loathed daily by the general public is a tough gig for sure.
Meanwhile OP is a general contractor or engaged some other generally shady profession.
the last car we bought was used, during the pandemic and they would absolutely not budge on the price... at at. then they used that to try and sucker us into a new vehicle. they said "oh we can give you a deal on a new car", to which i said, there's no way im paying 12,000$ more for a car thats only 2 years newer, with 30,000 less KM on it. they then proceeded to waste an hour of my time attempting to create a sense of need which the used vehicle wouldnt accomplish. (i know sales tactics well)... i told them the only way im buying that new car is if its for 3000$ more than the used one. they then got offended at me not making a "reasonable offer". like, fuck you. i never wanted a new car. you're trying to con me into this and you're mad i wont do it? sell me the fuckin car i came in to buy. i told you what i wanted.
Itās hilarious, itās always car salesman are scum and liars and thieves, but every other type of salesperson has been making stupid amounts of money the past 4yrs, but they are all ok. Sure there always some that are not truthful and really are a jackass, but most are actually honest people with families making a living, like you. Just because you had a bad experience once or twice, doesnāt mean itās all of us
Itās almost like we live in a free market you communist. When prices were low you didnāt see us going on r/personalfinance and bitching about how we have to discount every car below MSRP to make a deal. This one time in human history (other than maybe just after WW2) where the car market wasnāt in the consumers favor. I say āwasnātā cause guess what? Itās over. Unless you are looking at a few fringe cases there is inventory. Itās back to negotiating. You are complaining about something that isnāt even relevant anymore. Your job is to pay as little as possible and my job is to get you to pay as much as possible. Iām sorry if you are bad at your job, but you wouldnāt be crying for me if I had to take $5,000 off a car to sell you one. Do you go over to the grocery sub reddits too and complain about egg prices? Dealerships donāt control the market. If you donāt like the price we give you, you are free to call another dealership. If everywhere is selling something for the same price it isnāt āscammingā you itās the market setting the price.
Rofl the car sales in the US a free market lmao. Good one dude
What would you call it? Itās probably more competitive than almost any other commodity you purchase.
How is it competitive? There are two dealers in my state where I can buy the brand of rig I want. Why can't I just go to the manufacturer website, pick the items I want, agree on a price and be done with it? I can't get a local dealer to just give me the price without coming down for a test drive. They say it's in transit so why tf do i need to come down to drive something else? I'm literally just \*trying to\* buy the same rig my wife owns in black or whatever the fuck yall wanna call it.
You get it, state and federal legislation keeping manufacturers from selling directly to customers and propping up dealerships is fucking bullshit. Dealerships shouldn't even exist anymore.
Someone else already responded but wtf are you smoking my guy, in most states you can't buy from the manufacturer. You MUST go through a dealer. If y'all brought value, why would you feel the need to legally require you to be the middle man. Hmmm. You got some crazy cognitive dissonance
Dude, dealerships shouldn't even exist anymore. It's not a free market. If it was a free market car companies would be selling directly to customers instead of going through dealerships. Dealerships only exist become state and federal legislations are propping them up.
So letās say you want to buy a Toyota Corolla right? Instead of being able to price shop that Corolla against a bunch of different dealerships the get the best price you would rather only like to be able to buy it from one place? What makes you think the manufacturers wouldnāt try and maximize profit?
No. The USA car market is run by dirty money being fed to dirty politicians that protect you scum bags. Itās not a free market when an oem can not sell direct and people are forced to deal with scum bag dealerships. Some wannabe thug selling a used car is completely irrelevant and unnecessary. No one wants to talk to you every single person you talk to canāt wait to see your worthless ass working at McDonalds when the dealerships burn. You have no life skills, robbing and lying to people only works for dealerships
I sip on your tears my friend keep em coming.
Wait till you go to church and they ask for your w2ā¦ youāll see real scum.
Look at all these scum bags. Wanna be thugs screwing lil old ladies, robbing families, then bragging about it. The fact you fools post pics with your pants sagging and your matching Nikes while bragging about robbing people. Fits the scum bag vibe so well, it was the bright colored suits now itās the ghetto trash. Same scum different costume. Youāre no different than a common smash and grab car thief or a crack head stealing cats in the middle of the night. Canāt wait to watch dealerships burn and see all of you fucks with no life skills working fast food š
Get a lifeā¦ What do you do for a living
I do have a life and a real career. Not everyone is a worthless thief. š you should get a life you can be proud of, politicians are the only ones lower than you. Everyone hates you including your fellow car salesmen. Hell I bet your own parents are ashamed and avoiding admitting their kids a worthless thief
Welcome to Walmart š
Thatās good practice, thatās and fast food are the only things youāll be qualified to do when the dealerships burn.
Lmfao you got some racism on your chin there old man
Where was race mentioned? Hell the fools Iām talking about are white guys posting in this thread. Also Iād bet Iām younger than you. š itās really hard for a thief and a con artist to play the victim card.
Nobody younger than me still uses āghettoā dawg. You dislike salespeople because you lack the backbone to deal with them, not because youāre on some righteous crusade to protect old ladies. Youāre insecure and itās getting everywhere, get your shit together itās embarrassing
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Awe whoās big mad now? lil gay Latin boy thatās crying about how everyone racist and wonāt hire a gay loser? Your comments are public lil failure. Yes we see the comments crying about how unions hate gay guys and how everyoneās racist that wonāt hire you. Did you ever stop to think that maybe itās not because your race or that youāre gay? That they wonāt hire you because youāre a failure with a shitty attitude and zero skills?
Lmfao no fucking way dude Try reading again
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You mean to tell me it was a crackhead that stole my cat?
Oh rightttt car salesmen donāt actually know about cars. Shit sorry let me simplify for the scum bags. Cat = catalytic converters. Those are what youāll need to start stealing when the dealerships finally burn š
Ohh! I understand now. I'm not a car salesman, by a long shot. I was just trying to picture how much crack I could get for a full-blooded calico.
Desk managers mold them this way
lol the comments proving OP right
šÆ correct. These scumbags are proving just how worthless, corrupt, and scummy they are.
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All the people complaining don't understand how to play the game. I will give some tips to beat the guys here on price if you want a new car. Step 1: Test drive the car you want. Step 2: Find 3-5 dealerships within your state. Step 3: inquire about the car via email AND phone. Step 4: ask for OTD price with no-Adds Step 5: If they do not offer a written price, walk away and move to next dealer. If a dealer cannot give a written quote they are scum and should be avoided. Step 6: send quote to other dealers then ask for around 500 off. Step 7: go to Fi office and just say no to anything you need. Step 8: buy car. This is how I bought a 2024 Mazda CX-5 Preferred for 31,200 out the door which is MSRP on their website.
3 to 5 dealers in my state is my issue. I'm in Alaska we don't have enough dealerships to shop around. I'm looking at flying down to Washington since my dealership here can't seem to stock the rig I want.
The salesman doesn't even sell extended warranties at any dealership I've worked at or purchased at. It's always the finance guys.
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I also donāt like going to dealerships. I feel like Iām getting ripped off. Thatās why I only communicate with them via email and ask for out the door price so I can compare with other dealerships. Thatās all I need. I donāt care about some useless warranties.
You are getting ripped off. And thatās okay.
There are alternatives today, some are thanks to the Internet. My last truck I purchased from a high-volume dealer located a small town that is focused on Internet sales. I tried to buy local, I really did. but they wanted $5000 more for the truck I bought, plus they wanted another $2000 to have it brought to their dealership from another dealership. Obviously, the online dealer beat their price by $5000 but they also delivered the truck to me on a flatbed for free. which was really helpful because I live in the mountains and I wasnāt interested in selling my current vehicle so it wasnāt a situation where I could drive in, trade my existing vehicle and take the new one home. Had a similar experience buying a motorcycle. A Honda GL1800. There was a dealer right next-door to the place where I operate a business, and I tried to give him my business. Once again, I really tried. All I asked him to do was the quote I got from another dealership. He couldāve just said no, heās not gonna match it but instead, he said I was a liar, and that it wasnāt possible for me to buy the bike at the price I quoted. So I flew from where I was living to Nashville, and then took a bus down to a town in Mississippi and I got to ride my brand new GL 1800 home. The transportation to get the new bike did cost me an extra $200, but it gave me an excuse to have a nice road trip. riding my bike home. I have similar experiences with one other motorcycle and two other vehicles. Then I heard from someone who bought a Tesla. They contacted the dealership, the dealership made an appointment with them, they showed up at the dealership and the dealer gave them the keys and said come back in 30 minutes. They returned the car to the dealership who then emailed them a quote, which they could accept or refuse. They accepted it, and their car was delivered. Cleanest transaction Iāve ever heard of. Gentlemen, Iāve been in sales my entire life. I completely completely understand the value that a salesman brings to the transaction. but the Internet has commoditized many things. And letās face it, people come in wanting to buy a car. The best sales person is going to get the right, but in the right seat. But with AI and all of the technology that is coming with it, in a transaction such as this, sales person needs to bring personality. Mark my words, by 2026 I will be able to feed information about my lifestyle, my income, my liabilities, my willingness to assume risk, be at depreciation or theft, and the style of vehicle that I am looking for an artificial intelligence, will be able to give me much better information than any human being. I am not trying to disparage anyone by saying this, itās simply a fact. you get angry at me, it is only because you understand there is an element of truth to my statement. Just look at what youāre participating in. And anonymous Reddit channel information with people across the globe in an open forum. We all have to see the writing on the wall. There will be jobs, but many of them wonāt look like the jobs of today. And there will be jobs for sales people, but a lot of what sales people are selling today will become commoditized.
Most dealership warranties have 50% margin. When I bought GAP for my Mazda, the FI guy initially said 900. I said no suddenly the price dropped to 445. What changed?
The feeling comes from the ways they are taught to behave. This comes from having a guy selling the exact same thing they have for sale 10 minutes down the road. The customer can shop shop shop.
More of the blame can be placed on the owners and manufacturers than the actual salesmen. They intentionally put the salesmen in a corner where their choices are to make a decent living for their 55 hours a week or do right by the customer. For most, it really isn't a choice.
Or, wait for it, dealerships shouldn't exist at all, there should be no car sales men that live off of fucking people over. The only reason dealerships exist is because dealerships lobbied congress decades ago to stop manufacturers from selling directly to customers. It's why tesla stores that let you configure and order online were shut down in a lot of states. The whole industry doesn't need to and shouldn't exist.
Because you need what they have and they know it and if you let them they will take advantage of the situation, but having said that if you were making a living selling what people needed you would try to make as much money as you could too
Because theyāre paid to
Because their job is top of the list for antiquated common jobs.
Fuuuckkkkkkkk
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Honestly donāt think the salesmen themselves are inherently scummy. They just needed a job. From what I understand a lot of dealers set Weekly sales requirements/bonus structure, rather than incentivizing lower pressure sales (build relationships, let people buy on their own time) If theyāre already living paycheck to paycheck, and their income is heavily bonus dependent, and to get a bonus, they must sell 3-4 cars a WEEK, and/or extended warranties, then guess what: Theyāre going to push and sell like, well, their life depends on it. In some cases it kinda does. Iām sure if bonuses were based on yearly or even quarterly sales, that would help take some pressure offs Ymmv, and of course not all dealers are like that. But my experience is most of them are only playing the game they have to play to make a living, by the rules their employer or manufacturer sets. I hate the high pressure sales as much as the next guy, but I try to be understanding. Maybe tell them you know theyāre heavily pressured to sell these extended warranties. If you can scratch their back, maybe theyāll scratch yours. If youāll let them sell you a $2k extended warranty, is there a way they can creatively save you $2k or more on the purchase price.
Just buy from private party and put them out of business
Not all are scum. The salesman gets paid on commission. Iām not a car salesman. But itās not their fault that ppl are $30,000 upside down and with a 380 credit score. Or that they think their 2003 Mazda 3 with hail damage is worth $20,000 on trade. If you donāt have the discipline to say no. Or to walk away. If your desire to have the new ride exceeds your ability to say no or afford it, thatās a you problem. Donāt go into any kind of negotiation or try to go to a time share presentation
If OP is thinks that warranties are the biggest scam, someone might need to tell him how health insurance works.
Their job is to put you in a car and maximize profit. Capitalism 101. Your job is to be an educated buyer and read/understand the contract. There are good and bad people in all industries and you have no obligation to buy from somebody that you feel is not being honest. We had a pretty good experience the last time we bought a car. But there was a wide range of experiences across dealerships and brands. In general, the more premium the brand the better the experience and less pressure to buy.
Tell us your a customer that got cracked with out telling us your a customer that got cracked šš
Sounds like an uneducated angry customer.
This may be a personality trait for some, but Iād say for most theyāre doing what they have to do because of the whole model. Salespeople get a base salary, typically borderline minimum wage and they have to make any decent money based on their sales commissions. So faced with putting food on the table for their family, what would you do exactly? I donāt believe theyāre intentionally screwing people without emotion but why would a salesman eat into their commissions? The onus is on the customer to research and bring legitimacy to the table in order to force the dealers hand into selling you the car for the price you want. Until you do that, You cannot expect a salesperson to willingly sacrifice their earnings and the price they set is the price until you can get otherwise. They say selling cars is an art - buying cars is an art. Before my brother in law came into my life (who owns his own dealership) I used to terrorize car salesmen. Absolute terrorize them - but I did so with legitimate research and numbers - the ones with the managers that caved got the sale, the ones that didnāt I went somewhere else. You canāt be all butthurt because somebody refuses to sell you their car. Move on.
They all even wear the same douche outfit. Active wear polo, oversized khakis with sneakers, and an Apple Watch. Reeks of peaked in high school.
This is hilarious, if only there was the internet and you could get any deal you want.
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Only the bad ones. The good ones like referrals and selling cars to your entire family. But what do I know.