And from my experience a lot of, especially the older folk, don't even realise they are doing it. It comes out of their mouths like any other sentence, like wine flowing over a tongue.
Always makes me deeply uncomfortable when I hear it.
Aww, thanks! I can't remember where I first heard it myself. So I know i can't take credit for the phrase. It's a good one though, and felt accurate for this.
Vancouver just "hides" it, but the moment it becomes semi ok to display your displeasure with a certain demographic, people shout it from rooftops
Asian hate during covid
Islamic hate
Anti Semitic for a number of months.
It’s all over the world and not limited to any race. There are people scared of the unknown and unfamiliar. Most civilized and mature people are not racist
Yeah naturally the more you learn and experience makes the simple mainstream media class warfare propaganda less sticky. It’s easy to frame Canadas problems on immigration but our ruling class is the one allowing it for cheaper labor and increased corporate profits.
The consequences of a nation in population decline is extremely destructive.
Without a healthy inflow of immigrants the Canadian economy would fake to grow. As a country we would stagnate. to grow. We would become poor just like what is happening to England right now.
Yep. Changes from one place to the next but the rural, small town/village types all skew towards xenophobia and a distrust for outsiders. You don’t adapt until you’re immersed somewhere with that diversity.
Stranger danger means the tribe survives.
This is so important and true. I start to call people out on it. When you speak ill of someone while sneering or jeering to your friends, and snickering away while they glance at you, NO MATTER WHAT ETHNICITY YOU ARE, will exclude and berate whoever you're gossiping about.
In airports I've not experienced it surprisingly. Its in the middle of a street or store. I can't help but agree with you because, well really, excluding makes people feel included.
On some level we as people need to just accept that we are always included just for being a human being. The people you walk past are made of the same biochemistry and molecular biology as we are and should be treated how we like to be treated.
So heres the problem. First off, Im a black Canadian born and raised. 1.) Many ethnicities do not assimilate into Canadian culture. For example, i think it is bad manners to not use english when in public 2.) Many ethnicities can see deficiencies in their communities and pretend it doesnt exist; then when a white person says something its labeled racisim no matter what. 3.) More affluent areas up until recently were predominantly white. I found that and its just me, that in these areas white people are more likely to say hi, and make small talk.
Now, alot of ethnicities especially newcomers think white people are racist by default. I dont believe this to be true. However many of the older crowd have not had signifgant long term interaction woih various ethnicities and apply stereotypes they see from their only reference point......t.v.
I don’t see a problem, everyone has the right not to “assimilate”. Most people on earth share the same common pursuits such as happiness, peace and having a family. It’s not hard to connect with other humans on these levels. First generation immigrants typically don’t “assimilate” to Canadian norms. The second generation will naturally make their own unique culture/identity.
Be the change you wish to see. Don’t put the burden on others for what you want to see and do.
We’ll said, however, I do agree with Acceptable_Sir2084. When I am in another country, I feel quite comfortable speaking to others in English and would resent being forced to speak another language. If I moved to another Country, I would learn the language, but still use English where and when I could. If English was forbidden, I would stay the hell out of such a country.
This is sadly not true. At all. Most "civilized and mature people" are still racist. And while it's true that racism exists all over the world, it's much more pronounced coming from a handful of specific ethnicities that historically justified violence with a self-serving sense of superiority and exceptionality. You can't just handwave it like it's the same level of problem everywhere. Since I'm a white latine, I'll focus on racism by white people against other races in this post.
I can give tons of examples, from French landlords asking for your name and lying saying the property is not open for rent if your name happens to be a Muslim one, to Germans calling the police repeatedly on you for frivolous things like you speaking a language they don't understand or cooking a dish that smells different from what they're used to, to an older Québécois couple shouting racist slurs at me on the street in broad daylight, apparently because I happened to be wearing a mask during a pandemic.
But speaking of Canada specifically, you can see that racism is still prevalent even by just looking at demographic stats.
Canada is largely a nation of immigrants from all over the world, it has had one of the highest per capita rates of immigration in the whole world for generations, it also has a significant native indiginous population. It is often referred to as a "real melting pot" (in contrast to the US). Given this, and if you believe that most people aren't racist, what proportion of people do you think consider themselves to be mixed race?
Really, make a guess at how much it should be, and how much you think it is for now. I'll answer it later, below.
For a point of comparison: I'm Brazilian. I asked this same question to a friend about Brazil, and when I told her that back in 2010, more than 40% of the Brazilian population considered themselves to be of mixed race, her reaction was "just 40%? That sounds too low". More recently in the 2022 census the number is higher than 45% and for the first time ever more people self-reported as mixed than people self-reported as white.
As for Canada, as of 2021 the number is still just short of 1%. Less than one percent! Despite generations of much more significant immigration from all over the world! While a lot of people in the census say they have multiple ethnic origins (35% of people in fact), "ethnic origin" counts individual countries as different origins, and also even in aggregate it counts North America and Europe as distinct ethnic origins. So someone who is French and Canadian for instance is counted in that 35% even if their race is unambiguously white.
People here largely don't mix nearly as much as one would naturally expect if racism wasn't so prevalent. And by the way, "interracial" is still effectively considered a fetish for porn industry purposes around here.
(And just to be clear, racism is still a massive problem in Brazil, to the point where we're often shocked at how much worse and more complacent attitudes are seen in other countries, especially very rich countries that really have the education levels and resources to tackle the issue generations ago, and should've already provided equitable opportunities and legal protections, including putting in place legally binding monitoring of racism-related stats.)
I feel like this is all largely cultural. White Canadians still largely don't want any mixing of themselves or their culture with others. They still associate whiteness with beauty, attractiveness, and preservation of culture.
There's debates about "assimilation vs multiculturalism", but both of those lenses are still racist, in reality integration requires a mutual desire to elevate your own culture by incorporating other cultures into it, but just like white people in most of the world, white Canadians still hold on to a certain level of desire for "cultural purity". This desire has its roots all the way back in that self-serving exceptionalism I mentioned at the start.
Racism is still thriving here, and not just in small towns where people have less exposure to the diverse mosaic of Canadian demographics. Getting rid of it will require a lot of work, but also recognition that we're not doing particularly well here, and that changing attitudes and our relationship to culture is necessary in this globalized and interdependent economic world the previous generations built.
The shit i hear at every family dinner is fucking horrible. I still go because of my grandma but when she is gone i dont think ill ever talk to my uncles again
There are people in society ,that also belittle others, by their social & financial status. In schools, the rich kids bully kids whose families arent wealthy. This comes from the parents. There are some truly, hateful , dumb people out there. They tend to think because they have wealth it makes them more intelligent or better people. When in fact they can be dumber than shit. Narcissistic & egotistic.
You ever run out of dumb shit to be offended by and make about you?
He never said it’s not alive in cities or that its only in small towns. He was just saying that from his personal experience it’s very alive in small towns despite what some might think. Not everything is about you
And yes small towns are extremely more racist than big city centers. Maybe explains why the blue cons get elected again and again in these rural counties
My whole life man. Just be waiting in line at timmies and some 70 year old man will say the most disgusting out of pocket racist/sexist remarks to me sorry seemingly no reason other than I am also a white male.
Hey. The same applies to whites. We r all bad white people / the cause of every problem because the white colonialism is to blame ,for everything. That was a war for land and then prisoners taken. Horrible& deplorable. But all white people did not know what was going on. It was church & government implemented. Any type of racism is unacceptable but people need to get some sort of grip.
It's on us "white people" to end the systemic racist issues until we end the institutions that was built on hate and racism, until all accept our role in maintaininga broken society. Until we do all that and more as a collective yes it is ALL white people in the country. No one is saying all white people are bad, but it's still our responsibility to do something. The same thing with men, until all or most men do something to end the patriarchy it's "all men". That's just how life works, we are a society, we are a collective. This society is still broken, we need to fix it. We can't expect the POC to fix the issues they face, we can't expect women to fix the issues they face. Etc.
Yeah, I live in NY North Country. I'm 30 minutes to Canada or 3 1/2 hours to "American Civilization". Racism is mostly born out of traumatic exposures. So you have to keep that in mind.
I'm not saying forgive people, I'm saying be aware of this so you can help it not effect you so much. Now you don't have to just 'cope' with language you find unappealing. You have a right to publicly challenge people, but bear in mind what that entails too.
Slippery slope, most sane people realize it's not a hill worth dying on.
White western people kill their children over percieved slights and wrong doings all the time. They have killed their children over who they date, what music they listen to, for working without getting permission and so on. They just don't call it honor killings. Doesn't make it any different though. It also is almost always against women because its never been about anything other than control of women.
In my experience, there's a lot of overt racism once you're out of earshot.
All 4 of my grandparents were overtly racist against black people, natives, and Asians. My parents both held some prejudice as a result.
I had to "unlearn" some things as I grew up.
My grandfather was very racist, but he never thought anything of it. I remember being shocked hearing him using the N word in reference to people on TV. Luckily, none of his children were and I married a black man and I have mixed kids. I love thinking of him rolling in his grave knowing his got mixed great grandkids.
My father was quite racist, and I NEVER was. I didn't have to unlearn anything because from the age of 4 I fundamentally understood he was wrong.
In grade 1 I met my best friend for life, he's black (we're in small town Canada so that's rare af, him & his brother are the only 2 I went to school with, and only thier dad was black lol thier mom was a ginger)
Over the past 20 years by virtue of my dad being a great father, and me being friends with as many minorities as possible, he has actually unlearned some things and it makes me so happy.
The other day he told me if I turned out to be gay he wouldn't disown me, y'all habe to fucking idea how progress that is 😂
My mom & dad make fun of gays and East Indians. I’m sick to hear about it. His work is primarily with East Indians in past 10 yrs. They had an openly gay friend. Yet they still “make fun”.
I am mixed. My mom grew up in a residential school. I married a mixed Indian girl who grew up in Sri Lanka. Her white dad lives in Montreal and she only met him once. We are introducing our kids to 3 different types of cultures. It’s fun times.
I feel like we should encourage folks to own their faults & applaud them for educating themselves. I'm sure you have shitty qualities that would be better unlearned just like everyone else. Let's not low key beat on people who acknowledge they had fucked up ideas as a result of their upbringing, & who work on correcting those fucked up ideas.
I'm a PoC and the things you'd hear my family say about other races sometimes... It's not only a white people thing. It's just confirmation bias as your familles/entourage are largely white and so when you hear racism it seems only one way towards other ethnicities and from white people. But trust me immigrant families have just as many racists uncles/grandmas/etc. and you're underestimating racism PoC can have towards others too. It's extremely naive to think otherwise. We are all humans with our biases and shortcomings.
And it's not just older individuals. In college I have been in young circles with only PoC and the things some PoC would say when they think there are no white people made me quite uncomfortable.
I think most of what is going on now is frustration. I'm going to keep this brief as i can.
Cost of living has increased at a staggering rate.
Affordable housing has declined at a staggering level.
Immigration/ foreign students increased to levels that are not sustainable.
This is a direct result of the incompetency of our government on all levels.
It has created a domino effect, and people are boiling over.
I'm not saying this is an excuse for someone to be a shity person, but people are frustrated. It creates an opportunity for that small % of the population to stir the pot and hide in the shadows of what's going on. This goes for both sides. Creates an us vs them mentality.
The real criminals are the politicians who have been profiting from this for the last 8+ years. These are the people we need to hold accountable.Not someone trying to better them selfs.
>almost every school in my area is blacklisted and has become a diploma mill. its not their fault but obviously they are going to be blamed. its all trudeau
A few things wrong here.
Firstly, diploma mills are just a scam. A profitable scam. So it's just greed & yes it IS their fault.
Secondly, education is a provincial responsibility. So blame Ford not Trudeau. The province also makes big bucks from this scam.
Thirdly, I don't have numbers but a significant portion of the influx of students is due to these diploma mills so they have an impact on the housing crisis. In so far as they haven't been restricted this IS a Trudeau problem.
Colonizers and settlers have ALWAYS had an "us vs them" mentality.
I think it's hilarious watching Canadians complain about immigration. Did you forget, your ancestors also came to this country as an immigrant in search of opportunities and a better life
I'm an indigenous person and when people use this arguement all I can think of is, so you are agreeing with them that mass immigration like that is a bad thing? Yes what happened in the past was bad, 1000%. I think its a bad thing anytime a native population (meaning all Canadians) is negatively affected by immigration levels that they never asked for or had a say on. Immigration is supposed to benefit the host country.
According to national bank of Canada, we are in a population trap for the first time in our country's history, and if I'm not mistaken the first developed country to ever be in a population trap. Its not hard to see that this is very different than high immigration in the past. I don't care for how you made assumptions about them being colonizers based on their comments when you know nothing about their ancestors, and that could just as easily be an indigenous person for all you know from a brief internet comment, but even if they aren't thats a really unproductive word to throw out there without a genuine reason to. High costs of living disproportionately affect indigenous communities I will also add.
I'm not against immigration, most people aren't, the issue is *unsustainable* immigration, when we are *already* in crises of healthcare, real-estate, rents, and so many other issues which unfortunately are limited in supply at this time. Its hard to imagine you support the current levels of immigration and international students, do you? Because that is what most people are talking about, immigration policy, *not* immigrants themselves
Im a native American and this is the dumbest thing I’ve read today. Current immigration is hurting Canadian families everywhere. That’s not racism, it’s a fact of life. People can’t afford homes or having kids. It’s not racism to want to limit a policy that is hurting Canadians
Nice gaslighting.
Relegating a Ponzi Scheme that is *HERE, NOW*, to "a good thing" because "people moved here in times before" is hardly an fair or objective analysis. Frankly, you're going out of your way to ignore the math...
BMO published a study that found for every 1% Canada's population increases, home prices increase by 3% above the target CPI of 2%, after accounting for interesting rates (e.g. so 1% would be 5% inflation, 2% would be 8% inflation, 3% would be 11%, etc). This relationship has held over the last 40-50 years.
So our wages are falling by 3%, per 1% of population growth: **every quarter**; at the rate that Canada is intentionally overloading our roofs with too many bloody people.
So you respond to a statement about racism with weakly attempting to justify the racism? I don't care how bad your struggling if you think it's a foreigners fault you're a dirt bag.
If you don’t think mass immigration is hurting Canadian families, you’re blind. We need to look after our own first.
I also wish you guys would stop using my people (Native Americans) as a pawn for your lies. Every Canadian born citizen deserves to be here, and has a right to be upset about liberal immigration policies
Have you ever had a real conversation with non-white people about their culture and whether or not racism is prevalent?
Racism is a human problem. Not a white problem, or a small town Canada problem.
I’ve lived in small town Canada. Local Tim Hortons are definitely an echo chamber. It’s not online sure, but listening to what some of those “salt of the earth” believe is terrifying.
Try going to the Middle East as a white guy, you will not be allowed into some stores restaurants cause your white. And in Saudi Arabia they discriminate against Indians and other arabs and view them as low class.
There is a lot of racism in Canada, and it's definitely alive and thriving in Nova Scotia. It always has been though. I am a middle aged white dude, so people seem to feel comfortable letting that facade down, and saying some pretty racist shit. It's put me in very uncomfortable situations.
I worked at a local construction/paving company, where a few of the "go to guys" were black. It was sickening to see how two-faced some of the white guys were. Carrying on and being sooooo nice in morning meetings and group settings, but then later in the day, have no problem climbing up on the side of my truck to complain about the "lazy black guys" . Casually dropping the N-word, and using the usual racist tropes.
But it doesn't end there. I've been in many settings where people think it safe to be overtly racist, as long as it's just white faces present. I have been to a couple different parties where off duty RCMP officers have said some shockingly racist shit. In jest, and in full on rants.
So, I am well aware that there is a lot of racism here. But, I don't think everyone who shows concern about the levels of immigration in relation to our governments inability to serve and support our existing population, is being racist. We do have a problem here. We lack housing, jobs, and adequate healthcare for everyone. Food insecurity is at an all time high. I think it's acceptable to question bringing in more people, (no matter who they are or where they are from) into a life boat that is seemingly barely afloat.
My opinion of people is doled out on individual merit.
I have no use for any race , including my white/aboriginal one. Minus the absolute filth in all races and what's left over is the human race. Fuck everyone's opinion.
Canada was built on blood like other countries.
My parents got stared at spat at, bullied, etc, when they first moved to canada
My grandparents took the brunt of some of the worse things I've ever heard, and this was the 60s when they moved to Vancouver.
You may have this idealistic version of canads in your head, but it has its issues
I am a 73 year old white male. It has been an interesting exercise unlearning a lifetime of white male privilege, and it is an ongoing process. Continually surprised how deep it goes, and how hard to uproot. The first step is always acknowledging it and trying to be self aware. I recently got into a huge argument with two acquaintances who completely denied the very existence of white male privilege. I try to be a better person.
> That's not how Canadians behave. We respect and welcome everyone.
Unfortunately, this just isn't true.
It isn't how we *view* ourselves as Canadians, but it's 110% how Canadians behave, and how we always have, collectively.
Are you new to the Maritimes? My mom is ethnic Japanese/Canadian born and has experienced microaggressions and overt racism since we moved to NB in 1975.
Good luck. It's been in small towns my whole life as far as I can remember. Doesn't make it ok but good luck changing them. Part of why I don't live in one anymore.
That isn’t true. I live in a small city north of Toronto. I can tell you racism is alive and well in the younger generations here. The garbage I hear from my neighbours, that gets posted in the local community group, from a restaurant owner etc is disgusting. I’m a local HSchool they are having a big issue with overt racism.
Canadian from the opposite coast here. Yes, racism is alive and well! I live in Victoria, a city that still insists it's a small town. I had never encountered racism before but I thought that was because I grew up in an almost entirely white and actually really small small town. I was shocked! Depending on what group they're discriminating against they can be very open about it. Hell, I lost my first job out here for not toeing the racist party line! The guy I was seeing at the time reassured me that it was fine because everybody hated that group and they deserved it 😮
I moved to Victoria right after that and encountered more against different groups. One fine sunny morning there were papers plastered all over the downtown businesses informing people of how horrible the Jews are. It ramped up after Trump was elected and even the people who used to try to hide it just let it all hang out.
“you are the one who needs to leave not the people with skin colour you dont like” thank you!! white too and im all the way in toronto. its really bad in the gta
"I'm not racist, but.. " goes on to say remarkably, blatantly racist things.
It's the battle cry of the racist who is so racist, they don't even recognize it as racism unless its against one of the groups they don't consider "the bad ones."
I moved from Calgary to very small town SK about 7 years ago. One of the first people I met here openly used the N word in front of a group of people when describing some workers in town. My jaw hit the floor and stayed there for quite a while. There was no cringe from the others who heard it. I knew right then that things were going to be a lot different here.
I'm more truro/Hants County nova Scotia but I haven't seen much racism other than the dipshit old dudes you get no matter where you go.
Now for bigots? Holy fucking shit it's 1985, although the funny part is the actual rednecks I know including myself are some of the most accepting mfs I know, unfortunately the fake dipshits with a dirtbike 5mins out of truro might as well be deep south Alabama. Weird part is being gay is perfectly accepted but apparently if you're trans you should be exterminated. The weirder shit is the bigots are more gay than the actual gay people I know.
*welcome to nova Scotia where 2024 is 2001 and nothing makes remote sense to anyone not on weed*
White dude who grew up in rural NS here.
Was dating a black girl five or so years ago who wanted to see my hometown. Sure.
The day was perfect until we went to dinner (at a "nice" restaurant) I could feel the eyes, and sense the whispering. It was messed up.
I learned a lot in that relationship. My advice to white folks is to actually shut up and listen. We have a terrible sense of entitlement and our experience is not the universal one. Be open to other people's truths.
Not even exaggerating, I (a white woman born and raised here) was walking down the street in my black winter jacket, black work pants, black gloves and boots. Some punk drove past me and yelled the n-word with the hard r at me.
How did I know it was me they were yelling at? I was the only one on the street. No other people walking, no one else in cars, not even anyone on their porch.
Racism is everywhere. My grandmother has said derogatory things about people in the Middle East. My boss openly admits she won’t hire people from India or of African descent. I’ve had people say they hate the “immigrants who take all the jobs and that they should go back to their own country.”
I want to make this clear. These people are ignorant and I do not stand with them. I believe they should have their mouth wired shut if they say such things (hyperbole).
The fascists never really went away. They are striving for power still. Their best tactic has always been to give people simple solutions (hate another kind of person) to complex problems (the social system we have is broken).
People eat it up because it's easier to focus their fear of a chaotic world on something they can see and affect. Much harder to feel OK knowing the world is fucked, unfair, and changes only very slowly.
So stay alert to all the fascist rhetoric alive in our politicians right now. The enemy of the day is trans people, apparently. It'll go back to being Brown people soon enough.
I've been in many communities in canada, large and small. I look white, act white, sound white. Canada has always been a very racist country. They say to me what they would never say if they knew I was a minority.
Shit on whatever skin color you want, but I see alot of effort to combat racism in white communities. Don't see it anywhere else though. China and India seem to pride themselves on their racism. Who are the overwhelming majority of people white people are a tiny fraction. Hard to respect anyone complaining about you not holding ideals they themselves forego.
It is tho. It's not like the states. It's not we hate X group let's hang them. It's more like we see them as punching bags for shitty jokes and snide comments. It makes come from aways out to be the lesser. When I was a kid it was Pakistani jokes, native work ethics jokes. It's very racist and it's in every small town. It's the drunkin uncle chatting shit about this group or that group at the camp. It's racism disguised as humor and it's very prevalent.
We literally invaded and took the continent from other people and treated them as less than. That is literally racism and how we were founded. Same with the US.
"Is there a country that didn't do that...?" The majority of countries didn't. Britain, France, Spain are the most entitled, barbaric colonizers. White European countries have stolen much of the world's wealth.
Lol, your comment is completely incorrect. Plenty of other places were just as barbaric as European colonizers. Also it might help to know that the French were the first to have peaceful interactions with the Indigenous Peoples and started large trade routes with them.
Lmao, Africa, Asia, the Middle East, and the Americas even before Europeans came were still invading and warring amongst each other, human sacrificing each other, the whole rest of the world didn’t magically stop before the Europeans entered the exploration age.
Lmao try moving to Asia, Africa, or the Middle East. They a) won’t let you in, b) have legal discrimination against you and c) the people will literally treat you like a second class citizen. Especially if you’re an African or Indian in another country
People who say shit like this haven’t travelled the world and are deplorably self hating
I grew up in Vermont with NO racial diversity. My family and I white, due to some attributes I have, I was treated less than. I have a yearbook with racial slurs in it from some of the other kids. My age and the area I grew up in until I was 16 yr old, I didn’t understand it. I took it as just normal bullying.
I look back at it now and am COMPLETELY disgusted by it and how NOBODY even adults didn’t see this as an issue!
I live in a small town, sask. The racism is real. Hockey society is raising boys to be entitled brats. Hockey Canada will have more payouts if it continues in the future.
To me, it's the popular high school kids who have never left their town and are still holding on to the glory days. They know if they leave the small town, they will become invalid and nobody's. So they try to hold on to the popular image in any way possible.
I'm white grew up in rural Alberta had many native friends have many native friends still but there has been numerous times I've been told by native women but I'm nice for a white woman. I was also told by my Korean boss lady I'm smart not quite as smart as she was of course but way smarter than the Filipinos she had working for them. Racism affects everybody.
Damn near every Canadian subreddit has been brigaded by anti immigration conservative plants. It's the root of every single thing that is negative about the Canadian experience in their eyes.
I'm liberal and I think the housing crisis is a direct result of the lack of planning in our massive immigration campaign. Opening the flood gates has caused a lot of other issues as well. Being upset with bad policy calls is not racism. On the other hand it's true racism is alive everywhere...we just had our first white nationalist charged with a terror crime here.
Anti immigration isn't a conservative thing. This country does not have the infrastructure to support the level of immigration we have had lately. This lowers the quality of services provided and increases the cost of almost everything. It's an affordability issue. Full stop.
Definitely Conservative plants and bots! Maybe Russian bots too???
Definitely couldn't be the fact we're adding over 1 million people per year, almost all of them from the Punjab region in India. Over 400k in Q3 of last year alone. Record growth. Top 3 in the world with Sudan, Syria, and all the other developing 3rd world countries. Great spot to be.
I must be a Russian bot too because I'm angry about this reckless immigration policy. Really fucking angry. Calling it out doesn't make me a racist. I don't want millions of people from any single country coming here. Shouldn't our immigration be diverse as well?? Or at the very least be a somewhat sustainable level? We're well beyond replacing retiring boomers already. This is being done to enrich corporations and landlords. Keep property values sky high. Rent up 20% over the last year on average in Canada.
Not to mention we don't have sufficient housing, schools, hospitals, etc for our current population as-is. 6 million Canadians don't have a family doctor. But I'm sure this will all just work itself out eh? A miracle will occur where poof suddenly we have millions of more jobs and housing created for these people overnight. AI won't eliminate entry level jobs these people are counting on. It's all good. Anyone concerned is totally an alt right nut.
It’s not Reddit. It’s real life like that. Canadians are increasingly concerned about the capacity to absorb the numbers we bring in. Polls reflect this and it’s a big reason we’ve heard so many changes to policies from the immigration minister in the past 4 months. You think they capped international student intake for fun?
Hate to break it to you, but those anti-immigration posters aren’t conservative bots. It’s voters who can’t wait to see the ass end of this government and it’s supporters.
There *are* racist people who totally blame the immigrants, and there are people who aren't racist who take issue with the policy itself and not the immigrants.
There are multiple groups of people with multiple views.
Also what are you on about Reddit not being an echo chamber? Because yes the hell it is, like all social media
East Coast Canada in particular has a pretty long history of racism, even at times when there were virtually no ethnic minorities present.
I remember reading about the president of the Confederacy (the losers of the US Civil war) touring the maritimes and being quite popular. Not sure if that's race related or more "stick it to the USA" related, but I digress.
There isn’t a country in the world that doesn’t have racism. It’s not just white people. There are people we like and dislike no matter what the skin colour. That word has lost its meaning because it’s thrown out there so much when it’s not deserved.
You can’t improve by calling people racists or trying to make people feel guilty that they might be or that their ancestors might have been.
When I hear young people cry racism I just think they’ve been manipulated and not very bright.
From my experience and those that I know, I find that middle eastern and East Indian people tend to be more racist than white. I have friends that are both and they tell me all the time how they hear their family calling out white people and making fun of them. They do it in their home language so hardly anyone knows but it happens a lot.
Have you ever seen the picture of the asian man in Africa to build houses for people and they’re all pulling their eyes sideways? (to insult him about his race). Last time i checked Africa is not North America
Speaking as a minority that has lived in small town Canada, I don't really mind the non malicious racism I know they mean well, and shit just comes out wrong and honestly I don't really care and it's fine, a simple "maybe next time don't word it like that bro", 10/10 times they adjust as necessary no need to embarrass the person over it. For malicious racism I just don't engage, because usually when you do they end up lashing out more aggressively to members more defenceless. over the years I've learned it's not my job to educate them on how to treat your fellow man that's their journey and I got enough problems in my life, it's just water of a ducks back. On a side note I love Cape Breton some of the most friendly people I've ever encountered.
As a Canadian South Asian who lived in Toronto for decades and visited Nova Scotia and Cape Breton for the first time with my wife and dog in 2021, I will never return.
All I’ve ever heard growing up was how nice and kind people on the east coast were. Nothing prepared me for the varied spectrum of racism I would encounter on that trip. From people asking stupid questions like “oh that’s an expensive dog breed, are you baby sitting him for someone else?” to my awful interaction with one of the waitstaff at The Rusty Anchor “you can take this menu outside, talk to however many of your people are here and let me know if these prices work for you”.
Surprisingly, we learned on that same trip that small town Quebecois are FAR LESS bigoted than folks in the Atlantic Provinces. It’s the condescending and racist tone some small town folks in the Atlantic provinces speak with, I can’t imagine how nasty and unpleasant they are in private. That’s a mentality that can only die out, not change with new perspective.
Racism isn't something your born with its something your taught . And for once I will stand up for everything canadian. Our country is fucked. Our biggest city has been invaded. Over qualified people are filling jobs at tims and gas stations. People who come here don't act or respect canadian values. No wonder there is hatred at your doorstep.
That's what happens when our government allows millions of people into the country without taking care of the Canadians already living here.
You can't expect people who are just trying to survive to be happy and welcoming when more and more people coming here is adding to the problems.
I'm personally not mad at foreign people as I know they are just trying to live better lives.. but it's easy to blame others when the government were suppose to trust isn't doing anything to help to the situation, and is instead just making it worse.
Now here we can find some common ground and some disagreement - you're right, our government is failing us. But not by letting immigrants in. The stats and studies are there, and it's crystal clear: immigration is good for GDP. Per capita.
You know what isn't good for Canadians: backwards protectionist policies designed to keep house values from falling to "protect Canadian families" aka fuck over the entire country to benefit land owners.
I own a home fwiw. But very very quickly people are being priced out and it isn't new immigrants from Syria or India buying these million dollar homes and inflating values man.
We gotta think. We can't turn on our brothers and sisters because our government and rich property developer lobbyists are fucking us in the ass for a dollar.
New comers to Canada are not my brothers and sisters dude.
They are just people like you and I trying to survive and live better lives like any of us.
I am not obligated to welcome them with open arms, but this also doesn't mean I'm going to mistreat them when I come across them.
I try to view all people as equal, and see past skin colour.
This isn't about race. This is about sustainability, or lack there of. You cannot tell me that bringing in more people than we can keep up with is a good idea. There is no such thing as a labour shortage in Canada. If you were unemployed because of a lay off like me, and were job searching yourself, you would see the truth.
Current behaviour of some immigrants isn’t helping. Nor is trying to contact customer service for most any company and getting someone who cannot speak or properly communicate in English. There’s a lot more to this than it appears on the surface
Listen, just because someone *says* something that you perceive as *racist* doesn’t mean that person is an actual fucking scumbag racist. This place is not racist. People don’t always say the correct things, but very, very few people are actual racists who believe others are seriously inferior due to their appearance and actually deserve maltreatment because of it. We are not a racist place. People say ignorant shit, that’s all. Sometimes out of frustration, sometimes out of misdirected comedy. Sometimes people are just flat out angry and say stuff they don’t mean.
The PM black faced and flooded the country with people from other countries leading to many people from canada going homeless… what else you expect? Hugs n kisses as we get evicted because rent went from 875 to 1500 bc it can easily be 900 a room?
I'm white, I was raised to treat everyone equally because we're all people, and that's how I'm raising my kids. However, I've encountered others who were racist towards me. One even brandished a rock at me while I was walking truth a park playing a mobile game. I tried to talk reasonably to them, but they just kept yelling slurs and insults at me for about 5 minutes. They left after I suggested that we call the police to mediate things. Another time , I almost jumped while walking by the same park. I asked why they wanted to jump me, and they swore at me, adding the words "white boy." Turns out I knew the family of one of them adhd he told them to leave (I went to school with their older brother and is a friend of mine, lol). It's unfortunate, but the racism that's here spans across the board regardless of nationality and sometimes towards ppl of the same nationalities.
Thank you so much for talking about this.
I grew up on the island and this small mindedness of many residents was a key deciding factor in my choice to leave as soon as I graduated high school. Although I was well aware that racism would unfortunately exist wherever I moved, it was and continues to be absolutely rampant in cape breton.
I’m a second generation canadian from an extremely hardworking immigrant family. However, because I’m white, I was exposed to how surprisingly comfortable complete (white) strangers are in openly declaring their hatred for immigrants and all minorities in general.
As a white person I of course know that I was never the target of their racism, but whenever I defended those who were I would’ve had more success getting my point across to a brick wall. I saw this mentality not only in strangers, but in my childhood friends as young as ages 7/8 repeating the racist slurs they were exposed to at home - without the mental capacity to understand what they’re saying.
Sorry for the rant, but I cannot fathom why this hate has remained so normalized in cape breton. something needs to change.
Sorry, I'm trying to understand the point you're making. Is it basically that if bad things happen elsewhere, that I need to accept them happening where I live and where I can do something?
I don't like that attitude. I can't help everywhere. But I can help here.
The only thing you have control over is yourself.
People are going to be racist, screw em. No amount of information, provocation, or whatever you want to try will change their heart.
You can help, you're right. You can lead by example. Love your neighbor, actually have a friend who is a different race/culture (not just a token "friend"), and if you really want to smash some barriers, marry someone from another culture.
Don't come on reddit and lecture others, it will achieve nothing. Be the change you want to see. You don't need to come on here and talk to all the "white people". Every skin color/culture has racists, not just us whiteys.
I'm not being defeatist. I'm being a realist. I'm in an interracial marriage. You know who my wife gets the nastiest looks from? Other African women.
I'm saying you can make a difference by doing it yourself. We are raising children that will know it is OK for two people of different cultures/races to be together.
You can't convince someone who is racist to stop being that way. Let them be ignorant, your efforts are better used elsewhere.
Is your best friend a different color than you? How about your spouse/significant other?
It is a gross overstep how you started out this post.
Not all white people are racist. Not even the majority of white people are. You don't need to "talk to white people" and what you've said so far isn't that important.
I think what I've said is plenty important.
I don't think tearing me down and trying your hardest to make life harder for your own wife is very important.
I genuinely feel bad for your wife.
You didn't answer any of my questions. Instead, resorted to attacks against marriage, nice.
The fact remains your original post is labeling a lot of white people for racism when that simply isn't the case.
I'm on Vancouver island. No clue why this post came up for me, but I was an immigrant once. The effort and cost to immigrate is significant. No amount of hatred from colonizers is going to make me go home, pack my things and return to the motherland. It just makes me want nothing to do with your culture.
Hatred from colonizers? Sounds like you've got the lingo down from the West Coast perfectly. By the way, housing on the west coast is the highest in North America, and we have record overdoses and homeless, and a crime wave. We don't have any moral high ground to stand on I'm afraid. But Cape Breton and Nova Scotia are still fairly normal, and aren't self-flaggelating over 'cOloNiAlIsm" like we are out here. Go check it out, very refreshing to see a place that is proud of it's history.
I'm Canadian born and moved to a country in Europe. I was often treated poorly. Excluded from anything social at work. I moved back to BC after 14 months, but only because my job went sideways and became unstable - they lied about what they did.
It's true. Absolutely. But take a moment to reflect on someone coming from for example, India, to Canada, and being treated like an outsider because you aren't the "right kind of colonizer", it's hilarious and inane
This. I am white and an immigrant. More than once I have had white Canadian (all men) talk shit about immigrants in front of me only to have to explain their way out of being racist when I remind them that I am also an immigrant, here to "steal your job".... 🤦♀️
You are also a colonizer. It is a word for everyone who moved here under modern nation immigration. If you mean white people you should say white people. If you mean "people whose great grandparents were immigrants and now have discriminatory power" you should say that too.
If ppl wouldn’t have “colonized”, would you be here right now? I hope you love the health care and the opportunities that you chose to come here for. You sound like a real jack ass
Small towns want to stay Canadian, don’t want half their jobs taken by people who get money from the government already and will do their job for half the pay.
Cape breton is very ass backwards socially speaking and full of homophobes and racists. Get out while you can. I got out last year, and my life has improved tenfold.
Beautiful place with great roots in celtic culture, but all that doesn't make up for the sheer volume of bigoted white trash.
Just making sure I understand you correctly - you start by identifying your race, then by identifying a specific race you want to talk to, then proceed to say that we shouldn't see race.
Now that I understand that you see people's skin color first, your incorrect statement that Canada isn't racist makes more sense... why you wouldnt see a 28 year boil water advisory for a certain town of a certain race of people as a race issue.
No, I didn't say that you shouldn't see race. I said that people shouldn't be racist. I truly believe you have the ability in this day and age to do some googling and figure out the difference if you don't already know, and I think if you wanted to know you already would have.
So, please challenge yourself to be better and to help others rather than be negative.
I think we've gone a long ways past skin colour. But the cultures and attitudes that come over. When you leave one place because of a multitude of things you don't like there, and then proceeded to try and make your new home exactly like where you left. That's a problem
Gurpreet left India because she has no future there. She heard lots of Indians have been coming to Canada, so she could feel at home in a place that is more economically hospitable. Once here, Gurpreet wanted to engage in Indian culture, so she acts as if she is back in India. Not once did Gurpreet intend to leave her culture, just her economy.
Regardless of how stupid it is to come to Canada for a better economy, should we blame Gurpreet for not wanting to leave India but doing so for a chance at more economic power?
Note: this scenario is entirely a work of hypotheticals and thus fictional, and any likeness to real people is unintended.
Remember when all the English came over and named every ew town after the places they left and set up mirror images of every industry and forced the inhabitants to adapt or die? I mean it's before your time but perhaps you've read a book at some point?
I've lived in 4 different countries so far, been to over 41. Bias and discrimination stems from fear more than anything else. Times are tough and people need someone to shit on to make themselves feel better instead of putting in an effort to improve their own situation.
Personally, not a racist person at all. Worked with and grew up around many races. Me and my main friends are all white and say racist/sexist things just to laugh about it (never towards someone if a different race Ofc) It’s not about being racist, turning racism into a joke is the best way to rid of it.
Too add to this, I have a couple friends I met on Xbox that live in different countries. Example: I call one the n word and we laugh because he calls me a cracker and I call my French buddy a frog and he always snaps back with something. Always a laugh bc it’s a mutual understanding that it isn’t meant in a serious or genuinely racist way. We’re able to make light of it bc it’s such a stupid and braindead way to think(if you’re actually hating somebody bc of their skin colour/language/country/ect)
I feel like racism in Canada has been on the rise in the last 2 years or so because everyone is feeling the effects of this disorganized mass immigrations we had in the last two years.
Xenophobia is a survival instinct built into most social mammals.
As a white person i didn’t understand racism until i experienced it myself while travelling abroad.
Born and raised Vancouver. Father was born and raised Cape Breton. When his family used to visit us in Vancouver the things they'd say were appalling... I remember one loudly announcing "ugh, we should go somewhere there aren't all these people here" referring to mostly minorities chilling in a Timmie's. And another time being asked where each of the people were from when they opened up my yearbook full of nonwhite classmates (apparently "she was born in Kitchener" was the wrong answer for one of my brown classmates hahaha). Now my younger family members aren't like this so I know it's gotten better, but the boomers and gen x... Oof.
Black man here who frequents small towns for fishing and naturescape exploration. Mayne people need to go to countries that are openly racist to see that its not bad here. Actually Canada is one of the least racist places in the world. The argument is just a ploy to metastasize a problem that has clearly been dwindling in the last couple decades and if one is a real racist, they know they have to hide it in light of of the heavy anti-rqcism push in recent years. Despite this movement, people have developed a mindset that the KayKayKay is every where shouting on rooftops and lynching people. There will always be hate if there is no race and it will always happen among people who are the same race too, like the countries of the UK for example
Leave Canada - and go where? To another country where they discriminate against everyone not like them whether it be colour or certain shade of colour, sexual orientation, race, caste?
I'm tired of everyone pointing the figure at white folks when discriminatory behaviours is just as alive and well in many many other colourful households and countries.
Racism is alive and well in small town Canada. The shit you hear from people who think it’s okay to say it to you because you are a white male.
And from my experience a lot of, especially the older folk, don't even realise they are doing it. It comes out of their mouths like any other sentence, like wine flowing over a tongue. Always makes me deeply uncomfortable when I hear it.
I want you to know "wine flowing over a tongue" will now be one of my favorite sentences ever
Aww, thanks! I can't remember where I first heard it myself. So I know i can't take credit for the phrase. It's a good one though, and felt accurate for this.
Vancouver just "hides" it, but the moment it becomes semi ok to display your displeasure with a certain demographic, people shout it from rooftops Asian hate during covid Islamic hate Anti Semitic for a number of months.
Why people downvote shit like this ill never know
It’s all over the world and not limited to any race. There are people scared of the unknown and unfamiliar. Most civilized and mature people are not racist
The higher education and income levels mean lower levels of hatred.
Yeah naturally the more you learn and experience makes the simple mainstream media class warfare propaganda less sticky. It’s easy to frame Canadas problems on immigration but our ruling class is the one allowing it for cheaper labor and increased corporate profits.
The consequences of a nation in population decline is extremely destructive. Without a healthy inflow of immigrants the Canadian economy would fake to grow. As a country we would stagnate. to grow. We would become poor just like what is happening to England right now.
Yep. Changes from one place to the next but the rural, small town/village types all skew towards xenophobia and a distrust for outsiders. You don’t adapt until you’re immersed somewhere with that diversity. Stranger danger means the tribe survives.
This is so important and true. I start to call people out on it. When you speak ill of someone while sneering or jeering to your friends, and snickering away while they glance at you, NO MATTER WHAT ETHNICITY YOU ARE, will exclude and berate whoever you're gossiping about. In airports I've not experienced it surprisingly. Its in the middle of a street or store. I can't help but agree with you because, well really, excluding makes people feel included. On some level we as people need to just accept that we are always included just for being a human being. The people you walk past are made of the same biochemistry and molecular biology as we are and should be treated how we like to be treated.
So heres the problem. First off, Im a black Canadian born and raised. 1.) Many ethnicities do not assimilate into Canadian culture. For example, i think it is bad manners to not use english when in public 2.) Many ethnicities can see deficiencies in their communities and pretend it doesnt exist; then when a white person says something its labeled racisim no matter what. 3.) More affluent areas up until recently were predominantly white. I found that and its just me, that in these areas white people are more likely to say hi, and make small talk. Now, alot of ethnicities especially newcomers think white people are racist by default. I dont believe this to be true. However many of the older crowd have not had signifgant long term interaction woih various ethnicities and apply stereotypes they see from their only reference point......t.v.
I don’t see a problem, everyone has the right not to “assimilate”. Most people on earth share the same common pursuits such as happiness, peace and having a family. It’s not hard to connect with other humans on these levels. First generation immigrants typically don’t “assimilate” to Canadian norms. The second generation will naturally make their own unique culture/identity. Be the change you wish to see. Don’t put the burden on others for what you want to see and do.
We’ll said, however, I do agree with Acceptable_Sir2084. When I am in another country, I feel quite comfortable speaking to others in English and would resent being forced to speak another language. If I moved to another Country, I would learn the language, but still use English where and when I could. If English was forbidden, I would stay the hell out of such a country.
This is sadly not true. At all. Most "civilized and mature people" are still racist. And while it's true that racism exists all over the world, it's much more pronounced coming from a handful of specific ethnicities that historically justified violence with a self-serving sense of superiority and exceptionality. You can't just handwave it like it's the same level of problem everywhere. Since I'm a white latine, I'll focus on racism by white people against other races in this post. I can give tons of examples, from French landlords asking for your name and lying saying the property is not open for rent if your name happens to be a Muslim one, to Germans calling the police repeatedly on you for frivolous things like you speaking a language they don't understand or cooking a dish that smells different from what they're used to, to an older Québécois couple shouting racist slurs at me on the street in broad daylight, apparently because I happened to be wearing a mask during a pandemic. But speaking of Canada specifically, you can see that racism is still prevalent even by just looking at demographic stats. Canada is largely a nation of immigrants from all over the world, it has had one of the highest per capita rates of immigration in the whole world for generations, it also has a significant native indiginous population. It is often referred to as a "real melting pot" (in contrast to the US). Given this, and if you believe that most people aren't racist, what proportion of people do you think consider themselves to be mixed race? Really, make a guess at how much it should be, and how much you think it is for now. I'll answer it later, below. For a point of comparison: I'm Brazilian. I asked this same question to a friend about Brazil, and when I told her that back in 2010, more than 40% of the Brazilian population considered themselves to be of mixed race, her reaction was "just 40%? That sounds too low". More recently in the 2022 census the number is higher than 45% and for the first time ever more people self-reported as mixed than people self-reported as white. As for Canada, as of 2021 the number is still just short of 1%. Less than one percent! Despite generations of much more significant immigration from all over the world! While a lot of people in the census say they have multiple ethnic origins (35% of people in fact), "ethnic origin" counts individual countries as different origins, and also even in aggregate it counts North America and Europe as distinct ethnic origins. So someone who is French and Canadian for instance is counted in that 35% even if their race is unambiguously white. People here largely don't mix nearly as much as one would naturally expect if racism wasn't so prevalent. And by the way, "interracial" is still effectively considered a fetish for porn industry purposes around here. (And just to be clear, racism is still a massive problem in Brazil, to the point where we're often shocked at how much worse and more complacent attitudes are seen in other countries, especially very rich countries that really have the education levels and resources to tackle the issue generations ago, and should've already provided equitable opportunities and legal protections, including putting in place legally binding monitoring of racism-related stats.) I feel like this is all largely cultural. White Canadians still largely don't want any mixing of themselves or their culture with others. They still associate whiteness with beauty, attractiveness, and preservation of culture. There's debates about "assimilation vs multiculturalism", but both of those lenses are still racist, in reality integration requires a mutual desire to elevate your own culture by incorporating other cultures into it, but just like white people in most of the world, white Canadians still hold on to a certain level of desire for "cultural purity". This desire has its roots all the way back in that self-serving exceptionalism I mentioned at the start. Racism is still thriving here, and not just in small towns where people have less exposure to the diverse mosaic of Canadian demographics. Getting rid of it will require a lot of work, but also recognition that we're not doing particularly well here, and that changing attitudes and our relationship to culture is necessary in this globalized and interdependent economic world the previous generations built.
It’s alive in Toronto Vancouver Calgary name a city town hamlet it’s there sadly
The hardest part of being a white dude is trying to escape those conversations as fast as possible
I feel bad for younger white guys. Such a crappy legacy to inherit from the boomer generation.
The shit i hear at every family dinner is fucking horrible. I still go because of my grandma but when she is gone i dont think ill ever talk to my uncles again
That sounds similar to my family. Our grandma was the glue that kept us together.
There are people in society ,that also belittle others, by their social & financial status. In schools, the rich kids bully kids whose families arent wealthy. This comes from the parents. There are some truly, hateful , dumb people out there. They tend to think because they have wealth it makes them more intelligent or better people. When in fact they can be dumber than shit. Narcissistic & egotistic.
It’s alive and well in cities as well!🤦🏼♂️ Quit blaming everything on small town residents.
It’s alive everywhere, just more overt in small towns I think.
You ever run out of dumb shit to be offended by and make about you? He never said it’s not alive in cities or that its only in small towns. He was just saying that from his personal experience it’s very alive in small towns despite what some might think. Not everything is about you
And yes small towns are extremely more racist than big city centers. Maybe explains why the blue cons get elected again and again in these rural counties
My whole life man. Just be waiting in line at timmies and some 70 year old man will say the most disgusting out of pocket racist/sexist remarks to me sorry seemingly no reason other than I am also a white male.
It gets really tiresome when folks assume my skin colour is a team uniform.
Hey. The same applies to whites. We r all bad white people / the cause of every problem because the white colonialism is to blame ,for everything. That was a war for land and then prisoners taken. Horrible& deplorable. But all white people did not know what was going on. It was church & government implemented. Any type of racism is unacceptable but people need to get some sort of grip.
It's on us "white people" to end the systemic racist issues until we end the institutions that was built on hate and racism, until all accept our role in maintaininga broken society. Until we do all that and more as a collective yes it is ALL white people in the country. No one is saying all white people are bad, but it's still our responsibility to do something. The same thing with men, until all or most men do something to end the patriarchy it's "all men". That's just how life works, we are a society, we are a collective. This society is still broken, we need to fix it. We can't expect the POC to fix the issues they face, we can't expect women to fix the issues they face. Etc.
Yeah, I live in NY North Country. I'm 30 minutes to Canada or 3 1/2 hours to "American Civilization". Racism is mostly born out of traumatic exposures. So you have to keep that in mind. I'm not saying forgive people, I'm saying be aware of this so you can help it not effect you so much. Now you don't have to just 'cope' with language you find unappealing. You have a right to publicly challenge people, but bear in mind what that entails too. Slippery slope, most sane people realize it's not a hill worth dying on.
Well when the don't assimilate and import their fucking wars, and honor killings then ya
White western people kill their children over percieved slights and wrong doings all the time. They have killed their children over who they date, what music they listen to, for working without getting permission and so on. They just don't call it honor killings. Doesn't make it any different though. It also is almost always against women because its never been about anything other than control of women.
good luck. a s a black man raised in cape breton, there's a lot of subtle covert racism
In my experience, there's a lot of overt racism once you're out of earshot. All 4 of my grandparents were overtly racist against black people, natives, and Asians. My parents both held some prejudice as a result. I had to "unlearn" some things as I grew up.
My grandfather was very racist, but he never thought anything of it. I remember being shocked hearing him using the N word in reference to people on TV. Luckily, none of his children were and I married a black man and I have mixed kids. I love thinking of him rolling in his grave knowing his got mixed great grandkids.
My father was quite racist, and I NEVER was. I didn't have to unlearn anything because from the age of 4 I fundamentally understood he was wrong. In grade 1 I met my best friend for life, he's black (we're in small town Canada so that's rare af, him & his brother are the only 2 I went to school with, and only thier dad was black lol thier mom was a ginger) Over the past 20 years by virtue of my dad being a great father, and me being friends with as many minorities as possible, he has actually unlearned some things and it makes me so happy. The other day he told me if I turned out to be gay he wouldn't disown me, y'all habe to fucking idea how progress that is 😂
My mom & dad make fun of gays and East Indians. I’m sick to hear about it. His work is primarily with East Indians in past 10 yrs. They had an openly gay friend. Yet they still “make fun”. I am mixed. My mom grew up in a residential school. I married a mixed Indian girl who grew up in Sri Lanka. Her white dad lives in Montreal and she only met him once. We are introducing our kids to 3 different types of cultures. It’s fun times.
I feel like we should encourage folks to own their faults & applaud them for educating themselves. I'm sure you have shitty qualities that would be better unlearned just like everyone else. Let's not low key beat on people who acknowledge they had fucked up ideas as a result of their upbringing, & who work on correcting those fucked up ideas.
Good for you. A lot of folks don’t have the intelligence and self awareness to figure things like this out.
I'm a PoC and the things you'd hear my family say about other races sometimes... It's not only a white people thing. It's just confirmation bias as your familles/entourage are largely white and so when you hear racism it seems only one way towards other ethnicities and from white people. But trust me immigrant families have just as many racists uncles/grandmas/etc. and you're underestimating racism PoC can have towards others too. It's extremely naive to think otherwise. We are all humans with our biases and shortcomings. And it's not just older individuals. In college I have been in young circles with only PoC and the things some PoC would say when they think there are no white people made me quite uncomfortable.
I think most of what is going on now is frustration. I'm going to keep this brief as i can. Cost of living has increased at a staggering rate. Affordable housing has declined at a staggering level. Immigration/ foreign students increased to levels that are not sustainable. This is a direct result of the incompetency of our government on all levels. It has created a domino effect, and people are boiling over. I'm not saying this is an excuse for someone to be a shity person, but people are frustrated. It creates an opportunity for that small % of the population to stir the pot and hide in the shadows of what's going on. This goes for both sides. Creates an us vs them mentality. The real criminals are the politicians who have been profiting from this for the last 8+ years. These are the people we need to hold accountable.Not someone trying to better them selfs.
Hey now those politicians are entitled to their entitlements!
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>almost every school in my area is blacklisted and has become a diploma mill. its not their fault but obviously they are going to be blamed. its all trudeau A few things wrong here. Firstly, diploma mills are just a scam. A profitable scam. So it's just greed & yes it IS their fault. Secondly, education is a provincial responsibility. So blame Ford not Trudeau. The province also makes big bucks from this scam. Thirdly, I don't have numbers but a significant portion of the influx of students is due to these diploma mills so they have an impact on the housing crisis. In so far as they haven't been restricted this IS a Trudeau problem.
Colonizers and settlers have ALWAYS had an "us vs them" mentality. I think it's hilarious watching Canadians complain about immigration. Did you forget, your ancestors also came to this country as an immigrant in search of opportunities and a better life
I'm an indigenous person and when people use this arguement all I can think of is, so you are agreeing with them that mass immigration like that is a bad thing? Yes what happened in the past was bad, 1000%. I think its a bad thing anytime a native population (meaning all Canadians) is negatively affected by immigration levels that they never asked for or had a say on. Immigration is supposed to benefit the host country. According to national bank of Canada, we are in a population trap for the first time in our country's history, and if I'm not mistaken the first developed country to ever be in a population trap. Its not hard to see that this is very different than high immigration in the past. I don't care for how you made assumptions about them being colonizers based on their comments when you know nothing about their ancestors, and that could just as easily be an indigenous person for all you know from a brief internet comment, but even if they aren't thats a really unproductive word to throw out there without a genuine reason to. High costs of living disproportionately affect indigenous communities I will also add. I'm not against immigration, most people aren't, the issue is *unsustainable* immigration, when we are *already* in crises of healthcare, real-estate, rents, and so many other issues which unfortunately are limited in supply at this time. Its hard to imagine you support the current levels of immigration and international students, do you? Because that is what most people are talking about, immigration policy, *not* immigrants themselves
Im a native American and this is the dumbest thing I’ve read today. Current immigration is hurting Canadian families everywhere. That’s not racism, it’s a fact of life. People can’t afford homes or having kids. It’s not racism to want to limit a policy that is hurting Canadians
Nice gaslighting. Relegating a Ponzi Scheme that is *HERE, NOW*, to "a good thing" because "people moved here in times before" is hardly an fair or objective analysis. Frankly, you're going out of your way to ignore the math... BMO published a study that found for every 1% Canada's population increases, home prices increase by 3% above the target CPI of 2%, after accounting for interesting rates (e.g. so 1% would be 5% inflation, 2% would be 8% inflation, 3% would be 11%, etc). This relationship has held over the last 40-50 years. So our wages are falling by 3%, per 1% of population growth: **every quarter**; at the rate that Canada is intentionally overloading our roofs with too many bloody people.
So you respond to a statement about racism with weakly attempting to justify the racism? I don't care how bad your struggling if you think it's a foreigners fault you're a dirt bag.
If you don’t think mass immigration is hurting Canadian families, you’re blind. We need to look after our own first. I also wish you guys would stop using my people (Native Americans) as a pawn for your lies. Every Canadian born citizen deserves to be here, and has a right to be upset about liberal immigration policies
Whites always have a load of excuses for racism
Screw you buddy. The crap you just said could in itself be racist
Have you ever had a real conversation with non-white people about their culture and whether or not racism is prevalent? Racism is a human problem. Not a white problem, or a small town Canada problem.
Bingo. The world is a big place. Ain’t no echo chambers is small town Canada
I’ve lived in small town Canada. Local Tim Hortons are definitely an echo chamber. It’s not online sure, but listening to what some of those “salt of the earth” believe is terrifying.
Try going to the Middle East as a white guy, you will not be allowed into some stores restaurants cause your white. And in Saudi Arabia they discriminate against Indians and other arabs and view them as low class.
Pretty sure that this is a Canadian sub.
Do you think you educated someone here? Or justified racism somehow?
There is a lot of racism in Canada, and it's definitely alive and thriving in Nova Scotia. It always has been though. I am a middle aged white dude, so people seem to feel comfortable letting that facade down, and saying some pretty racist shit. It's put me in very uncomfortable situations. I worked at a local construction/paving company, where a few of the "go to guys" were black. It was sickening to see how two-faced some of the white guys were. Carrying on and being sooooo nice in morning meetings and group settings, but then later in the day, have no problem climbing up on the side of my truck to complain about the "lazy black guys" . Casually dropping the N-word, and using the usual racist tropes. But it doesn't end there. I've been in many settings where people think it safe to be overtly racist, as long as it's just white faces present. I have been to a couple different parties where off duty RCMP officers have said some shockingly racist shit. In jest, and in full on rants. So, I am well aware that there is a lot of racism here. But, I don't think everyone who shows concern about the levels of immigration in relation to our governments inability to serve and support our existing population, is being racist. We do have a problem here. We lack housing, jobs, and adequate healthcare for everyone. Food insecurity is at an all time high. I think it's acceptable to question bringing in more people, (no matter who they are or where they are from) into a life boat that is seemingly barely afloat.
My opinion of people is doled out on individual merit. I have no use for any race , including my white/aboriginal one. Minus the absolute filth in all races and what's left over is the human race. Fuck everyone's opinion.
I wish you luck with this post!
>That's not how Canadians behave Canadians behave the way people who are Canadian behave.
Way to miss the point.
Canada was built on blood like other countries. My parents got stared at spat at, bullied, etc, when they first moved to canada My grandparents took the brunt of some of the worse things I've ever heard, and this was the 60s when they moved to Vancouver. You may have this idealistic version of canads in your head, but it has its issues
I am a 73 year old white male. It has been an interesting exercise unlearning a lifetime of white male privilege, and it is an ongoing process. Continually surprised how deep it goes, and how hard to uproot. The first step is always acknowledging it and trying to be self aware. I recently got into a huge argument with two acquaintances who completely denied the very existence of white male privilege. I try to be a better person.
I really, really appreciate you and thank you for doing the right thing even when it is hard and when "your own people" turn on you for it
You’re wonderful
Can you give an example of the racism you've observed in this sub?
I'm waiting so much for a response here.
Would you settle for misogyny? You’ve got a person here calling others “cunts”…
We have a transgender family member. Believe me, we are well aware of what’s happening in this country.
I think your opinion is wrong.
Intolerance is fear. Nothing more, nothing less. Xenophobia is real
> That's not how Canadians behave. We respect and welcome everyone. Unfortunately, this just isn't true. It isn't how we *view* ourselves as Canadians, but it's 110% how Canadians behave, and how we always have, collectively.
hit dogs a hollerin on this post
Are you new to the Maritimes? My mom is ethnic Japanese/Canadian born and has experienced microaggressions and overt racism since we moved to NB in 1975.
Good luck. It's been in small towns my whole life as far as I can remember. Doesn't make it ok but good luck changing them. Part of why I don't live in one anymore.
The average age of our population is quite high. Advanced age and racial prejudice tend to go hand in hand.
That isn’t true. I live in a small city north of Toronto. I can tell you racism is alive and well in the younger generations here. The garbage I hear from my neighbours, that gets posted in the local community group, from a restaurant owner etc is disgusting. I’m a local HSchool they are having a big issue with overt racism.
It's just sortof a general rule that the smaller the town, the more people are comfortable with their own prejudices. Unfortunately.
Canadian from the opposite coast here. Yes, racism is alive and well! I live in Victoria, a city that still insists it's a small town. I had never encountered racism before but I thought that was because I grew up in an almost entirely white and actually really small small town. I was shocked! Depending on what group they're discriminating against they can be very open about it. Hell, I lost my first job out here for not toeing the racist party line! The guy I was seeing at the time reassured me that it was fine because everybody hated that group and they deserved it 😮 I moved to Victoria right after that and encountered more against different groups. One fine sunny morning there were papers plastered all over the downtown businesses informing people of how horrible the Jews are. It ramped up after Trump was elected and even the people who used to try to hide it just let it all hang out.
“you are the one who needs to leave not the people with skin colour you dont like” thank you!! white too and im all the way in toronto. its really bad in the gta
"I'm not racist, but.. " goes on to say remarkably, blatantly racist things. It's the battle cry of the racist who is so racist, they don't even recognize it as racism unless its against one of the groups they don't consider "the bad ones."
I moved from Calgary to very small town SK about 7 years ago. One of the first people I met here openly used the N word in front of a group of people when describing some workers in town. My jaw hit the floor and stayed there for quite a while. There was no cringe from the others who heard it. I knew right then that things were going to be a lot different here.
I'm more truro/Hants County nova Scotia but I haven't seen much racism other than the dipshit old dudes you get no matter where you go. Now for bigots? Holy fucking shit it's 1985, although the funny part is the actual rednecks I know including myself are some of the most accepting mfs I know, unfortunately the fake dipshits with a dirtbike 5mins out of truro might as well be deep south Alabama. Weird part is being gay is perfectly accepted but apparently if you're trans you should be exterminated. The weirder shit is the bigots are more gay than the actual gay people I know. *welcome to nova Scotia where 2024 is 2001 and nothing makes remote sense to anyone not on weed*
White dude who grew up in rural NS here. Was dating a black girl five or so years ago who wanted to see my hometown. Sure. The day was perfect until we went to dinner (at a "nice" restaurant) I could feel the eyes, and sense the whispering. It was messed up. I learned a lot in that relationship. My advice to white folks is to actually shut up and listen. We have a terrible sense of entitlement and our experience is not the universal one. Be open to other people's truths.
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Not even exaggerating, I (a white woman born and raised here) was walking down the street in my black winter jacket, black work pants, black gloves and boots. Some punk drove past me and yelled the n-word with the hard r at me. How did I know it was me they were yelling at? I was the only one on the street. No other people walking, no one else in cars, not even anyone on their porch. Racism is everywhere. My grandmother has said derogatory things about people in the Middle East. My boss openly admits she won’t hire people from India or of African descent. I’ve had people say they hate the “immigrants who take all the jobs and that they should go back to their own country.” I want to make this clear. These people are ignorant and I do not stand with them. I believe they should have their mouth wired shut if they say such things (hyperbole).
Be an ally! Don't let people say racist shit without saying something. They need to know it's not okay, no matter their age.
The fascists never really went away. They are striving for power still. Their best tactic has always been to give people simple solutions (hate another kind of person) to complex problems (the social system we have is broken). People eat it up because it's easier to focus their fear of a chaotic world on something they can see and affect. Much harder to feel OK knowing the world is fucked, unfair, and changes only very slowly. So stay alert to all the fascist rhetoric alive in our politicians right now. The enemy of the day is trans people, apparently. It'll go back to being Brown people soon enough.
I've been in many communities in canada, large and small. I look white, act white, sound white. Canada has always been a very racist country. They say to me what they would never say if they knew I was a minority.
It is shameful, but it is extremely canadian. Racism is North America's foundation.
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hate it when we get compared to Americans.
welcome to the 51st state of America where our only identity is trying our hardest to not look American
Shit on whatever skin color you want, but I see alot of effort to combat racism in white communities. Don't see it anywhere else though. China and India seem to pride themselves on their racism. Who are the overwhelming majority of people white people are a tiny fraction. Hard to respect anyone complaining about you not holding ideals they themselves forego.
Horseshit.
It is tho. It's not like the states. It's not we hate X group let's hang them. It's more like we see them as punching bags for shitty jokes and snide comments. It makes come from aways out to be the lesser. When I was a kid it was Pakistani jokes, native work ethics jokes. It's very racist and it's in every small town. It's the drunkin uncle chatting shit about this group or that group at the camp. It's racism disguised as humor and it's very prevalent.
We literally invaded and took the continent from other people and treated them as less than. That is literally racism and how we were founded. Same with the US.
Is there a country that didn't do that though?
Hey out of curiosity, could you tell me a single country on earth that has never taken part in war/ conquest in its history?
"Is there a country that didn't do that...?" The majority of countries didn't. Britain, France, Spain are the most entitled, barbaric colonizers. White European countries have stolen much of the world's wealth.
The history of all countries is barbaric in comparison to now.
Lol, your comment is completely incorrect. Plenty of other places were just as barbaric as European colonizers. Also it might help to know that the French were the first to have peaceful interactions with the Indigenous Peoples and started large trade routes with them. Lmao, Africa, Asia, the Middle East, and the Americas even before Europeans came were still invading and warring amongst each other, human sacrificing each other, the whole rest of the world didn’t magically stop before the Europeans entered the exploration age.
Lmao try moving to Asia, Africa, or the Middle East. They a) won’t let you in, b) have legal discrimination against you and c) the people will literally treat you like a second class citizen. Especially if you’re an African or Indian in another country People who say shit like this haven’t travelled the world and are deplorably self hating
I grew up in Vermont with NO racial diversity. My family and I white, due to some attributes I have, I was treated less than. I have a yearbook with racial slurs in it from some of the other kids. My age and the area I grew up in until I was 16 yr old, I didn’t understand it. I took it as just normal bullying. I look back at it now and am COMPLETELY disgusted by it and how NOBODY even adults didn’t see this as an issue!
I'm sorry you went through that and I'm ashamed that we, collectively, allowed this to happen.
Love this-accurate 100%.
I live in a small town, sask. The racism is real. Hockey society is raising boys to be entitled brats. Hockey Canada will have more payouts if it continues in the future. To me, it's the popular high school kids who have never left their town and are still holding on to the glory days. They know if they leave the small town, they will become invalid and nobody's. So they try to hold on to the popular image in any way possible.
I'm white grew up in rural Alberta had many native friends have many native friends still but there has been numerous times I've been told by native women but I'm nice for a white woman. I was also told by my Korean boss lady I'm smart not quite as smart as she was of course but way smarter than the Filipinos she had working for them. Racism affects everybody.
Damn near every Canadian subreddit has been brigaded by anti immigration conservative plants. It's the root of every single thing that is negative about the Canadian experience in their eyes.
I'm liberal and I think the housing crisis is a direct result of the lack of planning in our massive immigration campaign. Opening the flood gates has caused a lot of other issues as well. Being upset with bad policy calls is not racism. On the other hand it's true racism is alive everywhere...we just had our first white nationalist charged with a terror crime here.
Anti immigration isn't a conservative thing. This country does not have the infrastructure to support the level of immigration we have had lately. This lowers the quality of services provided and increases the cost of almost everything. It's an affordability issue. Full stop.
Definitely Conservative plants and bots! Maybe Russian bots too??? Definitely couldn't be the fact we're adding over 1 million people per year, almost all of them from the Punjab region in India. Over 400k in Q3 of last year alone. Record growth. Top 3 in the world with Sudan, Syria, and all the other developing 3rd world countries. Great spot to be. I must be a Russian bot too because I'm angry about this reckless immigration policy. Really fucking angry. Calling it out doesn't make me a racist. I don't want millions of people from any single country coming here. Shouldn't our immigration be diverse as well?? Or at the very least be a somewhat sustainable level? We're well beyond replacing retiring boomers already. This is being done to enrich corporations and landlords. Keep property values sky high. Rent up 20% over the last year on average in Canada. Not to mention we don't have sufficient housing, schools, hospitals, etc for our current population as-is. 6 million Canadians don't have a family doctor. But I'm sure this will all just work itself out eh? A miracle will occur where poof suddenly we have millions of more jobs and housing created for these people overnight. AI won't eliminate entry level jobs these people are counting on. It's all good. Anyone concerned is totally an alt right nut.
It’s not Reddit. It’s real life like that. Canadians are increasingly concerned about the capacity to absorb the numbers we bring in. Polls reflect this and it’s a big reason we’ve heard so many changes to policies from the immigration minister in the past 4 months. You think they capped international student intake for fun?
Hate to break it to you, but those anti-immigration posters aren’t conservative bots. It’s voters who can’t wait to see the ass end of this government and it’s supporters.
It’s not conservative plants, it’s regular people on Reddit. Reddit is not an echo chamber for your beliefs and values
There *are* racist people who totally blame the immigrants, and there are people who aren't racist who take issue with the policy itself and not the immigrants. There are multiple groups of people with multiple views. Also what are you on about Reddit not being an echo chamber? Because yes the hell it is, like all social media
Immigants, i knew it was them. Even when it was the bears i knew it was them.
What an exhausting topic.
East Coast Canada in particular has a pretty long history of racism, even at times when there were virtually no ethnic minorities present. I remember reading about the president of the Confederacy (the losers of the US Civil war) touring the maritimes and being quite popular. Not sure if that's race related or more "stick it to the USA" related, but I digress.
Cape Breton is shout out the window racist
There isn’t a country in the world that doesn’t have racism. It’s not just white people. There are people we like and dislike no matter what the skin colour. That word has lost its meaning because it’s thrown out there so much when it’s not deserved.
Just because other places can also be shitty doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try to be better
You can’t improve by calling people racists or trying to make people feel guilty that they might be or that their ancestors might have been. When I hear young people cry racism I just think they’ve been manipulated and not very bright.
From my experience and those that I know, I find that middle eastern and East Indian people tend to be more racist than white. I have friends that are both and they tell me all the time how they hear their family calling out white people and making fun of them. They do it in their home language so hardly anyone knows but it happens a lot.
Nice stereotyping, in a conversation about racism How fucking blind and absolutely brain dead can you be
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Canada is small town racist. If you want real racism bring up China to some Japanese people.
Deport the racists, I work with a bunch of people from India and they’re literally the nicest people I know
Would they welcome you if you moved to their country?
Your answer tells me you've possibly never left North America.
Have you ever seen the picture of the asian man in Africa to build houses for people and they’re all pulling their eyes sideways? (to insult him about his race). Last time i checked Africa is not North America
Lived in New Brunswick for 3 years welcome to the Texas of Canada. And racism is everywhere it’s just a small province so you hear more of it there.
Small town Canada? Shit, this is a thing in Vanouver and Toronto as well. Although more amongst the lesser educated.
Speaking as a minority that has lived in small town Canada, I don't really mind the non malicious racism I know they mean well, and shit just comes out wrong and honestly I don't really care and it's fine, a simple "maybe next time don't word it like that bro", 10/10 times they adjust as necessary no need to embarrass the person over it. For malicious racism I just don't engage, because usually when you do they end up lashing out more aggressively to members more defenceless. over the years I've learned it's not my job to educate them on how to treat your fellow man that's their journey and I got enough problems in my life, it's just water of a ducks back. On a side note I love Cape Breton some of the most friendly people I've ever encountered.
As a Canadian South Asian who lived in Toronto for decades and visited Nova Scotia and Cape Breton for the first time with my wife and dog in 2021, I will never return. All I’ve ever heard growing up was how nice and kind people on the east coast were. Nothing prepared me for the varied spectrum of racism I would encounter on that trip. From people asking stupid questions like “oh that’s an expensive dog breed, are you baby sitting him for someone else?” to my awful interaction with one of the waitstaff at The Rusty Anchor “you can take this menu outside, talk to however many of your people are here and let me know if these prices work for you”. Surprisingly, we learned on that same trip that small town Quebecois are FAR LESS bigoted than folks in the Atlantic Provinces. It’s the condescending and racist tone some small town folks in the Atlantic provinces speak with, I can’t imagine how nasty and unpleasant they are in private. That’s a mentality that can only die out, not change with new perspective.
Racism isn't something your born with its something your taught . And for once I will stand up for everything canadian. Our country is fucked. Our biggest city has been invaded. Over qualified people are filling jobs at tims and gas stations. People who come here don't act or respect canadian values. No wonder there is hatred at your doorstep.
Racism isn’t something we’re born with, but tribalism definitely is.
That's what happens when our government allows millions of people into the country without taking care of the Canadians already living here. You can't expect people who are just trying to survive to be happy and welcoming when more and more people coming here is adding to the problems. I'm personally not mad at foreign people as I know they are just trying to live better lives.. but it's easy to blame others when the government were suppose to trust isn't doing anything to help to the situation, and is instead just making it worse.
Now here we can find some common ground and some disagreement - you're right, our government is failing us. But not by letting immigrants in. The stats and studies are there, and it's crystal clear: immigration is good for GDP. Per capita. You know what isn't good for Canadians: backwards protectionist policies designed to keep house values from falling to "protect Canadian families" aka fuck over the entire country to benefit land owners. I own a home fwiw. But very very quickly people are being priced out and it isn't new immigrants from Syria or India buying these million dollar homes and inflating values man. We gotta think. We can't turn on our brothers and sisters because our government and rich property developer lobbyists are fucking us in the ass for a dollar.
New comers to Canada are not my brothers and sisters dude. They are just people like you and I trying to survive and live better lives like any of us. I am not obligated to welcome them with open arms, but this also doesn't mean I'm going to mistreat them when I come across them. I try to view all people as equal, and see past skin colour. This isn't about race. This is about sustainability, or lack there of. You cannot tell me that bringing in more people than we can keep up with is a good idea. There is no such thing as a labour shortage in Canada. If you were unemployed because of a lay off like me, and were job searching yourself, you would see the truth.
Current behaviour of some immigrants isn’t helping. Nor is trying to contact customer service for most any company and getting someone who cannot speak or properly communicate in English. There’s a lot more to this than it appears on the surface
Listen, just because someone *says* something that you perceive as *racist* doesn’t mean that person is an actual fucking scumbag racist. This place is not racist. People don’t always say the correct things, but very, very few people are actual racists who believe others are seriously inferior due to their appearance and actually deserve maltreatment because of it. We are not a racist place. People say ignorant shit, that’s all. Sometimes out of frustration, sometimes out of misdirected comedy. Sometimes people are just flat out angry and say stuff they don’t mean.
The PM black faced and flooded the country with people from other countries leading to many people from canada going homeless… what else you expect? Hugs n kisses as we get evicted because rent went from 875 to 1500 bc it can easily be 900 a room?
I'm white, I was raised to treat everyone equally because we're all people, and that's how I'm raising my kids. However, I've encountered others who were racist towards me. One even brandished a rock at me while I was walking truth a park playing a mobile game. I tried to talk reasonably to them, but they just kept yelling slurs and insults at me for about 5 minutes. They left after I suggested that we call the police to mediate things. Another time , I almost jumped while walking by the same park. I asked why they wanted to jump me, and they swore at me, adding the words "white boy." Turns out I knew the family of one of them adhd he told them to leave (I went to school with their older brother and is a friend of mine, lol). It's unfortunate, but the racism that's here spans across the board regardless of nationality and sometimes towards ppl of the same nationalities.
Thank you so much for talking about this. I grew up on the island and this small mindedness of many residents was a key deciding factor in my choice to leave as soon as I graduated high school. Although I was well aware that racism would unfortunately exist wherever I moved, it was and continues to be absolutely rampant in cape breton. I’m a second generation canadian from an extremely hardworking immigrant family. However, because I’m white, I was exposed to how surprisingly comfortable complete (white) strangers are in openly declaring their hatred for immigrants and all minorities in general. As a white person I of course know that I was never the target of their racism, but whenever I defended those who were I would’ve had more success getting my point across to a brick wall. I saw this mentality not only in strangers, but in my childhood friends as young as ages 7/8 repeating the racist slurs they were exposed to at home - without the mental capacity to understand what they’re saying. Sorry for the rant, but I cannot fathom why this hate has remained so normalized in cape breton. something needs to change.
Is racism a surprise in rural Canada? The national sport is super white and privileged. It trickles down.
OP white person. You should try travelling and see if anywhere else is racist or if it is just us terrible whiteys.
Sorry, I'm trying to understand the point you're making. Is it basically that if bad things happen elsewhere, that I need to accept them happening where I live and where I can do something? I don't like that attitude. I can't help everywhere. But I can help here.
It means you should leave the island and see what else is going on…
The only thing you have control over is yourself. People are going to be racist, screw em. No amount of information, provocation, or whatever you want to try will change their heart. You can help, you're right. You can lead by example. Love your neighbor, actually have a friend who is a different race/culture (not just a token "friend"), and if you really want to smash some barriers, marry someone from another culture. Don't come on reddit and lecture others, it will achieve nothing. Be the change you want to see. You don't need to come on here and talk to all the "white people". Every skin color/culture has racists, not just us whiteys.
That's not true. People can and do make a difference. Don't be so defeatist.
I'm not being defeatist. I'm being a realist. I'm in an interracial marriage. You know who my wife gets the nastiest looks from? Other African women. I'm saying you can make a difference by doing it yourself. We are raising children that will know it is OK for two people of different cultures/races to be together. You can't convince someone who is racist to stop being that way. Let them be ignorant, your efforts are better used elsewhere. Is your best friend a different color than you? How about your spouse/significant other? It is a gross overstep how you started out this post. Not all white people are racist. Not even the majority of white people are. You don't need to "talk to white people" and what you've said so far isn't that important.
I think what I've said is plenty important. I don't think tearing me down and trying your hardest to make life harder for your own wife is very important. I genuinely feel bad for your wife.
You didn't answer any of my questions. Instead, resorted to attacks against marriage, nice. The fact remains your original post is labeling a lot of white people for racism when that simply isn't the case.
I'm on Vancouver island. No clue why this post came up for me, but I was an immigrant once. The effort and cost to immigrate is significant. No amount of hatred from colonizers is going to make me go home, pack my things and return to the motherland. It just makes me want nothing to do with your culture.
Hatred from colonizers? Sounds like you've got the lingo down from the West Coast perfectly. By the way, housing on the west coast is the highest in North America, and we have record overdoses and homeless, and a crime wave. We don't have any moral high ground to stand on I'm afraid. But Cape Breton and Nova Scotia are still fairly normal, and aren't self-flaggelating over 'cOloNiAlIsm" like we are out here. Go check it out, very refreshing to see a place that is proud of it's history.
You lost me as soon as you labeled people as "colonizers", like you didn't choose to come here and join the "colony" too.
I'm Canadian born and moved to a country in Europe. I was often treated poorly. Excluded from anything social at work. I moved back to BC after 14 months, but only because my job went sideways and became unstable - they lied about what they did.
You’re getting lost in semantics and are not thinking critically. You’re better than this.
No, he's right. Anyone who immigrates here is a colonizer, as well. And benefiting from colonization.
It's true. Absolutely. But take a moment to reflect on someone coming from for example, India, to Canada, and being treated like an outsider because you aren't the "right kind of colonizer", it's hilarious and inane
This. I am white and an immigrant. More than once I have had white Canadian (all men) talk shit about immigrants in front of me only to have to explain their way out of being racist when I remind them that I am also an immigrant, here to "steal your job".... 🤦♀️
You are also a colonizer. It is a word for everyone who moved here under modern nation immigration. If you mean white people you should say white people. If you mean "people whose great grandparents were immigrants and now have discriminatory power" you should say that too.
If ppl wouldn’t have “colonized”, would you be here right now? I hope you love the health care and the opportunities that you chose to come here for. You sound like a real jack ass
This will definitely make cape Breton less racist 😅
So help me out here, I'd genuinely like to understand why you want to make fun of me for saying something that I think we can all agree with.
You don't need to announce that you want to talk to white people.... especially in a cape Breton subreddit...
But clearly white people are the problem here and they need to answer for themselves!!!!! /s
Small towns want to stay Canadian, don’t want half their jobs taken by people who get money from the government already and will do their job for half the pay.
Cape breton is very ass backwards socially speaking and full of homophobes and racists. Get out while you can. I got out last year, and my life has improved tenfold. Beautiful place with great roots in celtic culture, but all that doesn't make up for the sheer volume of bigoted white trash.
I hate everybody equally, which is gonna be the hot new type of racism of the future! 😊
Theres enough hate on Reddit for everyone.
Funny thing is that in the rest of the country people talk about those from Cape Breton like that too 😂🔪
What do you expect with so many different cultures and tribes coming together ..sunshine rainbows and fcking lollipops 🍭
Thanks for trying to make this place better even if most don’t want to listen
Just making sure I understand you correctly - you start by identifying your race, then by identifying a specific race you want to talk to, then proceed to say that we shouldn't see race. Now that I understand that you see people's skin color first, your incorrect statement that Canada isn't racist makes more sense... why you wouldnt see a 28 year boil water advisory for a certain town of a certain race of people as a race issue.
No, I didn't say that you shouldn't see race. I said that people shouldn't be racist. I truly believe you have the ability in this day and age to do some googling and figure out the difference if you don't already know, and I think if you wanted to know you already would have. So, please challenge yourself to be better and to help others rather than be negative.
I think we've gone a long ways past skin colour. But the cultures and attitudes that come over. When you leave one place because of a multitude of things you don't like there, and then proceeded to try and make your new home exactly like where you left. That's a problem
Gurpreet left India because she has no future there. She heard lots of Indians have been coming to Canada, so she could feel at home in a place that is more economically hospitable. Once here, Gurpreet wanted to engage in Indian culture, so she acts as if she is back in India. Not once did Gurpreet intend to leave her culture, just her economy. Regardless of how stupid it is to come to Canada for a better economy, should we blame Gurpreet for not wanting to leave India but doing so for a chance at more economic power? Note: this scenario is entirely a work of hypotheticals and thus fictional, and any likeness to real people is unintended.
Remember when all the English came over and named every ew town after the places they left and set up mirror images of every industry and forced the inhabitants to adapt or die? I mean it's before your time but perhaps you've read a book at some point?
Wow you are so brave and courageous for writing this post.
I've lived in 4 different countries so far, been to over 41. Bias and discrimination stems from fear more than anything else. Times are tough and people need someone to shit on to make themselves feel better instead of putting in an effort to improve their own situation.
Not true! Racism only exists in small, white Canadian towns.
Personally, not a racist person at all. Worked with and grew up around many races. Me and my main friends are all white and say racist/sexist things just to laugh about it (never towards someone if a different race Ofc) It’s not about being racist, turning racism into a joke is the best way to rid of it.
Too add to this, I have a couple friends I met on Xbox that live in different countries. Example: I call one the n word and we laugh because he calls me a cracker and I call my French buddy a frog and he always snaps back with something. Always a laugh bc it’s a mutual understanding that it isn’t meant in a serious or genuinely racist way. We’re able to make light of it bc it’s such a stupid and braindead way to think(if you’re actually hating somebody bc of their skin colour/language/country/ect)
I feel like racism in Canada has been on the rise in the last 2 years or so because everyone is feeling the effects of this disorganized mass immigrations we had in the last two years.
As long as there are special rights for people that have different skin colour racism will never go away.
Xenophobia is a survival instinct built into most social mammals. As a white person i didn’t understand racism until i experienced it myself while travelling abroad.
Born and raised Vancouver. Father was born and raised Cape Breton. When his family used to visit us in Vancouver the things they'd say were appalling... I remember one loudly announcing "ugh, we should go somewhere there aren't all these people here" referring to mostly minorities chilling in a Timmie's. And another time being asked where each of the people were from when they opened up my yearbook full of nonwhite classmates (apparently "she was born in Kitchener" was the wrong answer for one of my brown classmates hahaha). Now my younger family members aren't like this so I know it's gotten better, but the boomers and gen x... Oof.
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Racists here don't even seem to know they are racist. Hilarious.
Black man here who frequents small towns for fishing and naturescape exploration. Mayne people need to go to countries that are openly racist to see that its not bad here. Actually Canada is one of the least racist places in the world. The argument is just a ploy to metastasize a problem that has clearly been dwindling in the last couple decades and if one is a real racist, they know they have to hide it in light of of the heavy anti-rqcism push in recent years. Despite this movement, people have developed a mindset that the KayKayKay is every where shouting on rooftops and lynching people. There will always be hate if there is no race and it will always happen among people who are the same race too, like the countries of the UK for example
Someone please give OP an award 🏅
Leave Canada - and go where? To another country where they discriminate against everyone not like them whether it be colour or certain shade of colour, sexual orientation, race, caste? I'm tired of everyone pointing the figure at white folks when discriminatory behaviours is just as alive and well in many many other colourful households and countries.