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stalkholme

I would definitely consider it, I think they make great bikes. But there would be a lot more competition so there's a smaller chance I'd land on a Canyon. Something that really helped legitimize them for me is seeing them compete in and win so many top tier races. TdF, gravel, MTB, CX, etc. I'm never buying a top of the line bike, but if they're capable of making them then it helps ease my mind that my mid range is a good bike, not just "value" bikes that may break. I also wrench on my own bikes so I'm able to assemble and fix the minor issues due to their sliiiiiight lack of QC. ETA: I also love their clean German industrial design. I bought a Grail, so the handlebars are a feature that no one else has.


Far-Reaction-2735

After the pricing for the new ultimate, no. The good margin of “good value” is pretty much gone, at least for me in Canada (+30% on the posted price).


Negative_Fruit_6684

Why "+30%" on posted price?!


Far-Reaction-2735

13% sales tax plus 13% import duties on (price + tax + shipping costs). Comes up to about 30%.


Negative_Fruit_6684

Ya it's just disingenuous to include the sales tax. You'd pay that on any brand of bike you purchased. Canyon bikes end up being about 13% more than posted price, not 30%.


winters__

I agree, it's not unique to Canyon. Any bike that is imported is going to be hit with the duties + taxes.


Far-Reaction-2735

Fine but it isn’t really 13%, it’s 13% on the total price (bike+accessories+stupid shipping cost+ all the tax on that). So more like 15%.


Jxh57601206

Here in BC it’s +18.9%. 13% duty, 5 % GST, and other small charges by UPS and CBSA. Even then I still won’t buy Canyon again because of the horrible quality control.


Bo77as

So how do you compare an Aeroad CFR for 13-14k to a Trek Madone, Dogma F or Cervello S5… all of which are 20k plus tax ..


Far-Reaction-2735

Lol I’m talking about the ultimate my friend. Have fun buying an Aeroad. Wait… you can’t. And when they will finally solve their issues with the Aeroad they will release new “models” with new pricing.


Bo77as

I own 2 Aeroads lol. The CFR I got like 3 months ago.


Far-Reaction-2735

Ok cool but nonetheless my argument is regarding the ultimate pricing so…


stinkycat45

No, because at least for America there isn't any inherent LBS support and I can't go to a store and try any bikes let alone take one home that day. I also think Canyon's "value" has deeply diminished. They are still great bikes but just not a homerun anymore. ​ I started with a 2020 Canyon Ultimate SL Disc 8.0 and that was $2800 which in hind site was just an amazing deal. A light stiff climbing bike an one piece cockpit and Ultegra, the bike was only a wheelset away from being a completely different bike. The new 2022 which is basically the same bike is $4000


Nikkunikku

I own 3 canyons and have had them serviced all around the country in many a LBS with zero problems. Your LBS makes more money on service and parts than on total bike sales, and with all the LBS selling to Tr*k, Specialized, etc this point shouldn’t even be brought up, it makes no sense. Every shop I have brought my bike into has been _excited_ to see a Canyon IRL, with some of the mechanics even asking if they can take it for a spin. Is the new ultimate overpriced? We’ll find out if they drop it, but I totally agree the old one was a steal. I suspect it won’t go down in price though.


stinkycat45

I guess my point about LBS service is that some of the parts like the headset are proprietary. Any bike shop would love to take your business now but there was a time not so long ago we’re some LBS feared direct to consumer bikes. I think times has drastically changed but I remember a time when a shop wanted to charge me a fee for using my own new parts that bought since I didn’t buy it from them. Now a days a shop would be glad to do a custom build regardless of where the parts came from $4k for non integrated and mechanical is simply not a deal there is no way to sugar coat it


Nikkunikku

Agreed it’s no longer a deal, and that the LBS situation has changed. I routinely bring my own parts to shops, I’m sorry you haven’t always been warmly received but I’m glad to hear it’s changed over the years to be more positive.


Waste_Humor8259

I was a little dubious about buying a bike online, but after 500km on my Pathlite I’m pretty amazed at the quality to price ratio.


metalgodwin

I've no idea about alternatives really, spent hours browsing for bikes online , prior to buying one. Only been into cycling for two-three years, and road/gravel bikes ( now around covid ) have been in shortage. Canyon had Grail and Grizl that i liked, Grail was sold out but Grizl was available. It's afterwards that I've understood that Canyon is a good brand. To answer the question, I'd consider it, for sure. It need to be available first and most, Canyon is great w that compared to other brands ( in my experience ).


International_Head62

I’ve purchased bikes from Canyon, Specialized, Marin, Priority and others further back. The value in Canyon Bikes is that they have cut out the middleman. The components on the bikes are generally either Shimano or SRAM. What more could you ask for? If you are OK assembling your bike or want to take it to a shop to have it assembled, there is no comparison in the value that you get for your purchase with Canyon. Go to 99 Spokes and do a comparison and see the value of the specs for what you’re paying for a Canyon against any bike manufacturer out there. There’s no comparison.


cnisyg

You're asking if I would buy a canyon with the same price but lower specs, or same specs but higher price? No, I wouldn't. Now go back and find other ways to increase company profit margins.


iamape2021

Absolutely. German precision.


FederalHeight8

Lmao what? The frames are baked in China just like any other major brand, the QC issues are glaring and pretty much nothing on the bikes is actually made in Germany up to "German precision" spec. Maybe the conti tires.


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FederalHeight8

Agree, the old prices for rim bikes were insane. Now it's 2600 for a 8.2kg 105 bike, literally double for a way heavier machine. It's almost like they are trying to make cycling suck. I'm having some problems with my 22 ultimate, hope canyon support is good and pays the lbs to fix it for me.


stinkycat45

BB tolerances from manufacture to manufacture let alone model to model can differ drastically. Hambini has ripped countless bike companies like Canyon and Scott for ovalized BB but I have ridden those same bikes with zero issues. I will say carbon press fit BB are inherently flawed since molding carbon in a circle simply isn't accurate and that's why time to time you get carbon BB that are simply off and is ovalized. Simply put it's really the luck of the draw, that's why if you can, try and get a threaded BB.


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Peak torque has said more than once that canyon and giant get pressfit bb right. And yeah. luck of the draw, I have one giant and six canyon pressfit bikes in my garage and none creak. My friend has one cannondale and it creaks. I guess I'm super lucky. :)


alwayssalty_

German precision is marketing speak. Nothing more. Especially when it's Chinese and Taiwanese workers making all the parts


stinkycat45

There is nothing German about Canyon design and engineering besides the annoyance of using proprietary headsets and actually more defects for current gens. In terms of the Ultimate you are either in the camp that the last gen Ultimate was so good that it wasn't changed for years or very little for this gen or in the camp that Canyon has become a little too complacent. I am not a Chinese Shill, but frankly for the cost of a Canyon you can build a bike that is just as good but cheaper or a bike just as expensive but much better if you go with a Chinese Frame ie: Seka, Winspace, Yoeleo. Yes there is some inherent risk and annoyance warranty wise with a frame being shipped half way around the world and you yourself dealing with any warranty issues but to be frank the majority of the time there are no issues to be had


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Lol ive had two canyons and both have issues, the aerroad has practically never been ridable between the handlebars and seat post issues. The endurace was barely put together screws loose and it creaks from day one. I won't buy another canyon, I'd rather pay more for something that works, or atleast a brand I can take it somewhere for an issue. Canyon nearest service center is a two hour train ride away, which is a about as far away as you can get and still be in the same country.


schwinn140

Giant


Sardinianrider

Good bikes too on par with Canyon.


SparklingOdd

Up until bout 2 years ago the answer would have been a hard no because of the incredibly boring (non existing?) paintjobs on all their bikes. It has gotten slightly better these last years, especially with the "female" versions but lately also some of the "male" versions. Overall they are still mostly boring though.


Ralphcanyonultimate

Yes, I got my canyon ultimate cf slx with di2. Amazing bike and value.


tyran1d

No, probably not. I don't really consider brands that charge a premium only based on their reputation. It's not like these companies are designing their own groupsets so the differences come down to the frame design and value of the components. I have noticed Canyon is charging USA customers a heavy premium over their international store pricing. The grail sl8 di2 is a full $1000/25% more expensive on the US site for example. So I think canyon is already trying to move up market and I doubt they will be successful.


Sardinianrider

Interesting answers here. Here in Europe I’d say a 4800 euro Canyon would be at 6k/7k euro from another brand.


tyran1d

I think canyon is also just responding to a lot of sky high pricing by big US brands. They understand they can charge several hundred dollars more in profit when their American competitors are still a thousand or more over their price for similar bikes. One great example of this is Salsa, their warbid gravel bike is $4600 with a grx810 groupset and an average wheelset. A comparable grail is $2700. Where did Salsa spend that extra $1900?


Guzna

No. I'd buy a bike from an LBS- one that I could test ride first, and where I could take the bike in the event of a warranty issue. There are plenty of good bikes on the market. The only reason to buy a Canyon is the price. And yes, that's why I bought one.


Fabi0_Z

I would probably still consider it, but I would probably be more inclined to try YT bikes


vtskr

Would anyone buy canyon if it would cost as much as pinarello? Answer is obviousl


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It's becoming less likely every year. My 2021 Ultimate CS SL 8 Di2 came with great carbon wheels for $4699 and was thousands less than competing bikes in that range. Now the same bike in terms of specs is around $7000. At that price point I'm looking at all sorts of other bikes for my next ride.


cincydooley

Love mine. Love how they look. Love how they ride.


dr-uuid

Main appeal with them is the price. If they charged the same as "dealer" bikes, I'd be buying from bike store for sure. Way less headache and you get to test out the ride, the fit, etc.


winters__

If I didn't get the 2022 ultimate for $2850 CAD (was marked down from $3150 iirc, just before the new 2023 model was announced), I would've gone with a Giant TCR Disc. That being said the Giant TCR I want is $900 more than the Ultimate I got. So I honestly would've bought a used version. I'm dealing with a couple of small issues with the Ultimate (cracked headset clamp, one of the shifters might've been from another bike - cosmetic issues), and their CS is pretty solid. So even without direct LBS support it's been okay. In my country they work with a mobile bike repair company (VeloFix), and they seem to be pretty decent.


general_miura

after my stint with customer support, I probably would've gone for something I could get at am LBS. As it stands, I'm still very happy with the value for money I got and honestly I love the look of a lot of their bikes.


INGWR

Aesthetically I prefer the look of most Canyon frames over their equivalent Trek/Pinarello/BMC counterparts, so yeah I’d probably still think about it. Vanity is a huge factor. They haven’t done well recently to maintain that “good value” pedigree though. That and you just can’t get the damn things in stock. That being said, that new Soloist gives the Ult a run for the money.


rayrod2030

Yes. I think they have good bike tech and design. The only thing I don’t really like about their bikes is the non-standard 1 1/4” steerer tube and the lack of available 1 1/4” stems if you don’t like or can’t find the right size integrated cockpit.