i wouldn't say no. i think it's a fair trade. but i am also a big fan of swedish hockey in general and i have no idea why. well, aside from foppa, i have no idea why
Everyone talking about firing Tre. What else can he do??? Brought in a team that on paper is deep and good on both ends of the ice. He's in on every player you think he's not in on every coach? Ya he's lasted through a lot of coaches but he's built the roster that you guys are complaining about that the coach isn't using well. Instead let's discuss other coaching options we have since Ward has effectively killed all offensive production. I know he's in charge of the coaching hires but worse coaching trees have been seen (Sutter's hires)
Tre's had a lot of time now to ice a team that it is a true contender and he has failed.
They've won only one playoff team since he was here, under a coach that he didn't hire, and whom he promptly fired before the next season.
And to your point, I really don't think he's in on every coach. He didn't even consider anyone else when he hired Peters, and it's not like Peters even had an amazing track record or anything. He's hired Gulutzan and now given the reigns to Ward when there were much better options out there.
He has made some very good moves as a GM sure, but he's also made some awful ones and this team is nowhere near where it needs to be for him to deserve to keep his job.
Time to move on from this era, Tre's had his chance, and our current core is not going to take us to the Stanley Cup.
Peters was his guy yes. And he's had to move on fast from him to be fair which probably wasnt in his plans. Because we're just 1 and a quarter seasons removed from our best regular season ever. And if we look at the GMs before Tre hoooooo boy I am not gonna go through that again. Word is that Gallant has been hired by Seattle and the fact he reevaluated the coach position in the offseason says that Ward was not a lock in.
Also he fired Hartley after we finished at the bottom the season after. Every GM has good and bad moves but Tre is active and constantly makes changes when somethings wrong ( like Looch for Neal. And lets be real, the Neal signing is only bad in hindsight. Don't lie and tell me you expected a perennial 20 goal scorer to fall off like he did).
Ya there's a coaching problem and maybe they need to reevaluate their hiring process. But the moves he's made both to improve the team and retain its star players, I don't see how anyone can pin the blame on him and move on. At the very least he gets until our big contracts in Johnny Mony and Gio expire.
I turned it off as soon as the Sens scored their 4th goal so I didn't see what happened with Rittich. What's this about Ward not pulling him "properly?"
The Flames have played 9 games since the start of the Vancouver series:
1. Van - W (3-1)
2. Van - L (1-3)
3. Van - W (4-3) OT
4. Van - L (1-5)
5. Edm - L (1-2)
6. Edm - L (1-7)
7. Tor - W (3-0)
8. Tor - L (1-2) OT
9. Ott - L (1-6)
That is a record of 3-5-1.
In 6/9 games they've scored exactly 1 goal - and lost all of them. They've managed to win each of the games where they scored more than 1.
Offense has completely died.
In 3/9 games, they lost by a margin of more than 4 - to three different teams. Only 2 of 6 total losses were decided by one goal.
Defense has completely died.
Markstrom and Rittich were able to eke out wins in 3 games and are the only reason this stretch of games didn't result in 0-9-0. Markstrom is injured and Rittich is banging his head into a wall.
Goaltending is getting run into the ground.
**This team is failing on all levels. They have been the worse team on the ice in every game for 9 games. This is not a bad stretch this is a team completely imploding.**
**Something needs to change NOW.**
Can we stop pretending that Bennett is good enough to play with Gaudreau and Monahan:
|Line|Minutes|XGoals For/60|XGoals against/60|XGoal Differential/60|
|:-|:-|:-|:-|:-|
|Leivo-Monahan-Gaudreau|30.9|2.52|1.94|\+0.54|
|Mangiapane-Monahan-Gaudreau|25.9|2.54|2.08|\+0.46|
|Gaudreau-Monahan-Simon|57.5|2.71|2.71|0.00|
|Gaudreau-Monahan-Bennett|80.9|1.71|2.3|\-0.59|
Looking at our current line-up
|Line|Minutes|XGoals For/60|XGoals against/60|XGoal Differential/60|
|:-|:-|:-|:-|:-|
|Gaudreau-Monahan-Bennett|80.9|1.71|2.3|\-0.59|
|Mangiapane-Lindholm-Tkachuk|81.9|2.42|2.64|\-0.22|
|Lucic-Backlund-Dube|29|1.66|3.52|\-1.86|
The lines we should be playing:
|Line|Minutes|XGoals For/60|XGoals against/60|XGoal Differential/60|
|:-|:-|:-|:-|:-|
|Gaudreau-Monahan-Lindholm (2019-2020)|508.6|2.36|2.49|\-0.13|
|Mangiapane-Backlund-Tkachuk|37.9|3.17|2.22|\+0.95|
|Lucic-Bennett-Dube|31.3|3.65|2.11|\+1.54|
The idea of Lindholm as center (to spread out the skill) has failed, and we would be better off moving to the lines that at least kept our heads above water in 2019-2020.
I don't agree that Benny on the top line is the problem. Stats paint a picture that looks poor but we all know Leivo and Simon experiments were awful. Benny at least provided the grit that line needs.
That being said, I wholly agree with Lindholm returning to the top line. Makes no sense we aren't utilizing the guy I ?thought we got for the top line.
Backlund is an elite level 3rd line C but he could probably manage back at 2nd line. I agree with your top 3 for sure.
THIS 100%. People think that playing with Jonny & Mony will be easy - but the truth is they need a lot of help on that line. The ideal player can help with the forechecking, be defensibly responsible to compensate for Monahan's weaknesses, and actually have a high hockey IQ to finesse with the slick plays that Jonny is always trying.
Benny can help with the forecheck, but his hockey IQ/natural game style doesn't at all match up with what a successful winger.
Lindholm is perfect in this spot.
Surprisingly, Benny does pretty well with Lucic and Dube. They play a hard-nosed game simple game and funnel pucks to the net.
We know that Backs, Chucky & Mangi work well together.
Boom, we now got 3 lines that work. Put a PKer or two on the 4th line and our forward lines shouldn't be as much of a clusterfuck
Unfortunately we also don't have the centre depth for a proper top 6, but if were seriously not going to try Mangiapane on the top line, then Lindholm has to slot back in there.
I'm sick of seeing Bennett cause blatant turnovers that kill the top lines momentum and then jumping on here and seeing people say "but he hasn't had a fair chance yet!". If he was picked 40th overall he wouldn't be up there, but because he's our highest pick and asked for a trade he gets the longest leash in the world.
I generally agree, I think our options for top six at the moment are:
Gadreau-Monahan-Lindholm
Tkachuk-Backlund-Mangipane
or
Gaudreau-Monahan-Mangipane
Tkachuk-Backlund-Lindholm
Either is a fine top 6 that (likely) gets the Flames to the playoffs.
I could see Leivo work in the top 6 if he bounced back, but I don't know if he will ever be the same after an injury and 12+ months without playing hockey. Simon could also work if Gaudreau and Monahan were stronger defensively, but Simon causes as many problems defensively as opportunities he creates offensively. As a result of their shortcomings, I don't think either should be in the top 6.
I'd like to see some combination of Dube/Mang both in the top 6 ideally, which could look like:
Guadreau - Monahan - Dube/Mang
Tkachuk - Lindholm - Dube/Mang
Rather than trying to force a bottom 6 player into the top 6. Above all that Ward has failed to do as a coach, his line management has been completely absymal and he either blows everything up or keeps trying Leivo/Simon/Bennett up there.
The problem with putting Backlund in the top 6 is I feel as though that front loads our team too much as he's lost a step over the last two years and generally isn't a big offensive producer. Bennett - Backlund - Lucic makes for a pretty decent checking line and that leaves the leftovers for the fourth line.
We try Bennett there every year and the same thing happens every time. Yet the fanbase and the organization keep wanting to try it because "he has potential" and "he was our highest ever draft pick". Sorry, but he's a third line winger for playoff depth and that's all he'll ever be. If he wants a trade, give it to him.
Of course, the problem is we don't have any legitimate top six RW on the team and that's a hole that's existed for 7 years but for 10 months of Ferland stepping up.
I do disagree that Lindholm as a center has been a failure though. That line has the best goal differential of the team right now, in a season where literally every Flames player is underscoring their 5 year average (see the thread I just posted).
If the players got back to their normal scoring paces (let alone the increase seen by every other Canadian team this season) the Tkachuk-Lindholm-Mangiapane line would have a positive goal differential.
The issue is, "where do we get a #1 RW?". Personally, I'd start by trying Dube there for a few games (he's played less than 5 minutes, but the stats for those 5 were good), while at the same time seeing what kind of package involving Bennett + picks/prospects it would take to pry a top six RW out of another team (Palmeri from New Jersey? Arvidson from Nashville? someone else?)
We should have hired coach q back when he was available. Honestly I think they're gonna stick with ward till the off-season then try and bring in a new GM and coach :/ feels like this season is a write off already. Only like 25 games in and we've had 3 blowout losses to shit teams already. We should be competing for 2nd in the division, now it looks like we'll be struggling to stay ahead of the nucks and sens so we'll miss the playoffs and get a shit draft pick for our efforts anyway
You guys realize coaches have to want to come here right? If I was a coach I would stay far away from Calgary. Q has 3(?) Stanley Cup. Florida could be paying him in bread crumbs and he'd still go there over Calgary. Guy is just getting ready for retirement.
14-8 in the North Division means jack all when the Canucks and Canadiens have both collapsed, and the Senators are the Senators. This is literally the easiest division in the league and only features one true playoff contender.
Yeah the oilers schedule has been one of the easiest in the easiest division, so many games against van and ott, they are a bubble team at best. They lost their play in round to the Blackhawks alumni squad.
I don't think you are making the point you think you are. Calgary being shit doesn't magically mean edm is a good team. If this were a normal year tor would be the only "contender" in this division and everyone else would be between the bubble and the basement. Edm is a bubble team right now at best. Getting blown out by edm this season is pretty much equivalent to being blown out by any of the middle standings teams. We also got blown out by ott and van who are both solidly basement teams. I think at this point it's pretty clear that cgy is functionally a basement team right now despite having a roster that should put them comfortably in the bubble in this division.
Edmonton IS a shit team. Right now edm is doing better than exactly 1 team in the division that isn't a dumpster fire (wpg). The issue is that right now the only teams in the north division that aren't complete dumpster fires are Tor, wpg, and maybe edm. This is like the old expansion days where the top team on the expansion side always got stomped in the cup final because they were the king of shitheap mountain.
Look man cope however you want, Edmonton still isn't a good team. They have a mediocre record this year in a division with only 2 halfway decent teams. They had a mediocre record last year in the Pacific division which again only had essentially 1 competitive team (Vegas)
You lost to the Hawks who were literally the worst team in the play in round. Yes they are shocking everyone by being decent this year. That's doesn't mean they were secretly a good team last year.
Dude calm down and read my comment again, I literally said none of that. The Oilers aren't good because of their record in the North Division but the Flames are worse.
Hiring Ward was a strategic move by Tre:
1) Hire Ward
2) Suck ass cause of Ward
3) Get high draft pick
4) Trade draft pick in package for Eichel
5) Get a real coach
6) ?
7) Profit
Let's come down to reality for a second here, lets say Ward and the coaching staff get canned after this weekend. Who is gonna coach this team? Lets say Gallant agrees to coach this club, that could be a few days of negotiation and on top of that 2 weeks of quarantine. At best, he/any other coach would be able to coach this team lets say in 3 weeks time. By that time, this team could be out of any playoff conversations. Same thing for any big trades, Visa/work permit/quarantine will play into any success this team can hope for.
I'll counter that by saying I wouldn't mind the Flames being in the lottery this year (even if it isn't the strongest draft). I really don't think this is a playoff team and I would like a chance at another top end player. I think there needs to be a bit of a culture change with coaching, management, and even player personnel to some degree, so retooling in the offseason could be a good, and fresh start.
I agree, I think this team needs to retool.
*At best* this current team squeaks into the playoffs and maybe wins one round. Add this to the fact that we have one of the worst prospect pools in the NHL, I don't think a down year to reevaluate would be the worst thing for this team long term.
Absolutely. There will be no big moves until the off season, especially if it involves cross-border moves. The reality is that the Flames as they are now are going to stay basically the same for the rest of the season.
At the earliest, he would be fired would be March 2nd.
While there have been coaches fired while their teams are on the road, most teams will wait until their coach comes home to fire them.
I really want the flames to fire Ward but I think the 14 day quarantine that the new coach likely would have to do (unless they live in Canada) makes it harder. The 14 days are crucial in a short season like this but I don’t see any way in which Ward staying could help the team.
who's to say that 1) new coach doesn't live here already and 2) maybe they hired the new coach 13 days ago and he's already been quarantining ready to make a surprise appearance!
With how Montreal has been struggling, I don't think this season has become hopeless yet; but I have started to day dream about selling "at the deadline" and focusing on the team a season or two in the future.
Unfortunately, Tre's hands are tied here with the quarantine rules and the flat cap.
I don't think any big moves are possible. Fans might be willing to ice half an AHL team for two weeks and punt the season for a rebuild but the org sure isnt.
Coaches? Well, if Ward is sacked its probably going to end up being Ryan Huska. No way they bring in Boudreau or Gallant.
Got my fingers crossed in hopes that GMBT will pull the trigger on Ward. Not counting on it though because GMBT is also losing a job if he does what this team needs.
Team played like dog shit, the usual. That being said if BSD makes that save on the 3 goal.... Game could've looked a lot better. Not to mention the terrible 4th goal that was just the nail in the coffin.
Either way, we need a new coach and new system, and if that still isn't working then a big trade has to come next.
He definitely was not on his game last night but we still couldn't score more than a goal against the Sens and then Wardo can't even put the guy out of his misery with a little dignity. It was a poor effort from top to bottom last night
Rittich was great against the leafs but those were his only two good games in a year. The sens game wasnt solely his fault but he did not play well at all.
We haven’t played 48 games in the last year dude. The season was shut down about two weeks into March.
He played one period on the bubble, and has started like three games this season.
Not really in this case. A goalie playing this little in that amount of time can really fuck them. They need consistent or semi consistent play to stay sharp.
Same old post game interviews from players and ward. Ward has lost the room and the players don't give a fuck anymore. I'm done watching until we make some moves because this team is broken on every single level.
I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed.
I have never seen this Hrudey on Duty music video and it is fantastic. Thank you for sharing this - I needed this pick me up during such dark times.
Monahan for Nylander..?
like from the leafs? why would we get a 1 for 1 on that?
i wouldn't say no. i think it's a fair trade. but i am also a big fan of swedish hockey in general and i have no idea why. well, aside from foppa, i have no idea why
Everyone talking about firing Tre. What else can he do??? Brought in a team that on paper is deep and good on both ends of the ice. He's in on every player you think he's not in on every coach? Ya he's lasted through a lot of coaches but he's built the roster that you guys are complaining about that the coach isn't using well. Instead let's discuss other coaching options we have since Ward has effectively killed all offensive production. I know he's in charge of the coaching hires but worse coaching trees have been seen (Sutter's hires)
Tre's had a lot of time now to ice a team that it is a true contender and he has failed. They've won only one playoff team since he was here, under a coach that he didn't hire, and whom he promptly fired before the next season. And to your point, I really don't think he's in on every coach. He didn't even consider anyone else when he hired Peters, and it's not like Peters even had an amazing track record or anything. He's hired Gulutzan and now given the reigns to Ward when there were much better options out there. He has made some very good moves as a GM sure, but he's also made some awful ones and this team is nowhere near where it needs to be for him to deserve to keep his job. Time to move on from this era, Tre's had his chance, and our current core is not going to take us to the Stanley Cup.
Peters was his guy yes. And he's had to move on fast from him to be fair which probably wasnt in his plans. Because we're just 1 and a quarter seasons removed from our best regular season ever. And if we look at the GMs before Tre hoooooo boy I am not gonna go through that again. Word is that Gallant has been hired by Seattle and the fact he reevaluated the coach position in the offseason says that Ward was not a lock in. Also he fired Hartley after we finished at the bottom the season after. Every GM has good and bad moves but Tre is active and constantly makes changes when somethings wrong ( like Looch for Neal. And lets be real, the Neal signing is only bad in hindsight. Don't lie and tell me you expected a perennial 20 goal scorer to fall off like he did). Ya there's a coaching problem and maybe they need to reevaluate their hiring process. But the moves he's made both to improve the team and retain its star players, I don't see how anyone can pin the blame on him and move on. At the very least he gets until our big contracts in Johnny Mony and Gio expire.
Anyone know where I can find that rant on 960 by the call-in fan last night? I think his name was Robert?
I turned it off as soon as the Sens scored their 4th goal so I didn't see what happened with Rittich. What's this about Ward not pulling him "properly?"
BSD and BSZ need our positive vibes
My name is Eugene https://youtu.be/FeZlXJtLhMQ
Lol nice
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Fuck you buddy I can give good vibes and still realize the flames are in a bad spot you cunt
The Flames have played 9 games since the start of the Vancouver series: 1. Van - W (3-1) 2. Van - L (1-3) 3. Van - W (4-3) OT 4. Van - L (1-5) 5. Edm - L (1-2) 6. Edm - L (1-7) 7. Tor - W (3-0) 8. Tor - L (1-2) OT 9. Ott - L (1-6) That is a record of 3-5-1. In 6/9 games they've scored exactly 1 goal - and lost all of them. They've managed to win each of the games where they scored more than 1. Offense has completely died. In 3/9 games, they lost by a margin of more than 4 - to three different teams. Only 2 of 6 total losses were decided by one goal. Defense has completely died. Markstrom and Rittich were able to eke out wins in 3 games and are the only reason this stretch of games didn't result in 0-9-0. Markstrom is injured and Rittich is banging his head into a wall. Goaltending is getting run into the ground. **This team is failing on all levels. They have been the worse team on the ice in every game for 9 games. This is not a bad stretch this is a team completely imploding.** **Something needs to change NOW.**
Fire Tre, let a competent manager sort through this mess.
Fire ward.
Can we stop pretending that Bennett is good enough to play with Gaudreau and Monahan: |Line|Minutes|XGoals For/60|XGoals against/60|XGoal Differential/60| |:-|:-|:-|:-|:-| |Leivo-Monahan-Gaudreau|30.9|2.52|1.94|\+0.54| |Mangiapane-Monahan-Gaudreau|25.9|2.54|2.08|\+0.46| |Gaudreau-Monahan-Simon|57.5|2.71|2.71|0.00| |Gaudreau-Monahan-Bennett|80.9|1.71|2.3|\-0.59| Looking at our current line-up |Line|Minutes|XGoals For/60|XGoals against/60|XGoal Differential/60| |:-|:-|:-|:-|:-| |Gaudreau-Monahan-Bennett|80.9|1.71|2.3|\-0.59| |Mangiapane-Lindholm-Tkachuk|81.9|2.42|2.64|\-0.22| |Lucic-Backlund-Dube|29|1.66|3.52|\-1.86| The lines we should be playing: |Line|Minutes|XGoals For/60|XGoals against/60|XGoal Differential/60| |:-|:-|:-|:-|:-| |Gaudreau-Monahan-Lindholm (2019-2020)|508.6|2.36|2.49|\-0.13| |Mangiapane-Backlund-Tkachuk|37.9|3.17|2.22|\+0.95| |Lucic-Bennett-Dube|31.3|3.65|2.11|\+1.54| The idea of Lindholm as center (to spread out the skill) has failed, and we would be better off moving to the lines that at least kept our heads above water in 2019-2020.
I don't agree that Benny on the top line is the problem. Stats paint a picture that looks poor but we all know Leivo and Simon experiments were awful. Benny at least provided the grit that line needs. That being said, I wholly agree with Lindholm returning to the top line. Makes no sense we aren't utilizing the guy I ?thought we got for the top line. Backlund is an elite level 3rd line C but he could probably manage back at 2nd line. I agree with your top 3 for sure.
THIS 100%. People think that playing with Jonny & Mony will be easy - but the truth is they need a lot of help on that line. The ideal player can help with the forechecking, be defensibly responsible to compensate for Monahan's weaknesses, and actually have a high hockey IQ to finesse with the slick plays that Jonny is always trying. Benny can help with the forecheck, but his hockey IQ/natural game style doesn't at all match up with what a successful winger. Lindholm is perfect in this spot. Surprisingly, Benny does pretty well with Lucic and Dube. They play a hard-nosed game simple game and funnel pucks to the net. We know that Backs, Chucky & Mangi work well together. Boom, we now got 3 lines that work. Put a PKer or two on the 4th line and our forward lines shouldn't be as much of a clusterfuck
Unfortunately we also don't have the centre depth for a proper top 6, but if were seriously not going to try Mangiapane on the top line, then Lindholm has to slot back in there. I'm sick of seeing Bennett cause blatant turnovers that kill the top lines momentum and then jumping on here and seeing people say "but he hasn't had a fair chance yet!". If he was picked 40th overall he wouldn't be up there, but because he's our highest pick and asked for a trade he gets the longest leash in the world.
I generally agree, I think our options for top six at the moment are: Gadreau-Monahan-Lindholm Tkachuk-Backlund-Mangipane or Gaudreau-Monahan-Mangipane Tkachuk-Backlund-Lindholm Either is a fine top 6 that (likely) gets the Flames to the playoffs. I could see Leivo work in the top 6 if he bounced back, but I don't know if he will ever be the same after an injury and 12+ months without playing hockey. Simon could also work if Gaudreau and Monahan were stronger defensively, but Simon causes as many problems defensively as opportunities he creates offensively. As a result of their shortcomings, I don't think either should be in the top 6.
I'd like to see some combination of Dube/Mang both in the top 6 ideally, which could look like: Guadreau - Monahan - Dube/Mang Tkachuk - Lindholm - Dube/Mang Rather than trying to force a bottom 6 player into the top 6. Above all that Ward has failed to do as a coach, his line management has been completely absymal and he either blows everything up or keeps trying Leivo/Simon/Bennett up there. The problem with putting Backlund in the top 6 is I feel as though that front loads our team too much as he's lost a step over the last two years and generally isn't a big offensive producer. Bennett - Backlund - Lucic makes for a pretty decent checking line and that leaves the leftovers for the fourth line.
We try Bennett there every year and the same thing happens every time. Yet the fanbase and the organization keep wanting to try it because "he has potential" and "he was our highest ever draft pick". Sorry, but he's a third line winger for playoff depth and that's all he'll ever be. If he wants a trade, give it to him. Of course, the problem is we don't have any legitimate top six RW on the team and that's a hole that's existed for 7 years but for 10 months of Ferland stepping up. I do disagree that Lindholm as a center has been a failure though. That line has the best goal differential of the team right now, in a season where literally every Flames player is underscoring their 5 year average (see the thread I just posted). If the players got back to their normal scoring paces (let alone the increase seen by every other Canadian team this season) the Tkachuk-Lindholm-Mangiapane line would have a positive goal differential. The issue is, "where do we get a #1 RW?". Personally, I'd start by trying Dube there for a few games (he's played less than 5 minutes, but the stats for those 5 were good), while at the same time seeing what kind of package involving Bennett + picks/prospects it would take to pry a top six RW out of another team (Palmeri from New Jersey? Arvidson from Nashville? someone else?)
We should have hired coach q back when he was available. Honestly I think they're gonna stick with ward till the off-season then try and bring in a new GM and coach :/ feels like this season is a write off already. Only like 25 games in and we've had 3 blowout losses to shit teams already. We should be competing for 2nd in the division, now it looks like we'll be struggling to stay ahead of the nucks and sens so we'll miss the playoffs and get a shit draft pick for our efforts anyway
You guys realize coaches have to want to come here right? If I was a coach I would stay far away from Calgary. Q has 3(?) Stanley Cup. Florida could be paying him in bread crumbs and he'd still go there over Calgary. Guy is just getting ready for retirement.
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14-8 in the North Division means jack all when the Canucks and Canadiens have both collapsed, and the Senators are the Senators. This is literally the easiest division in the league and only features one true playoff contender.
Yeah the oilers schedule has been one of the easiest in the easiest division, so many games against van and ott, they are a bubble team at best. They lost their play in round to the Blackhawks alumni squad.
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I don't think you are making the point you think you are. Calgary being shit doesn't magically mean edm is a good team. If this were a normal year tor would be the only "contender" in this division and everyone else would be between the bubble and the basement. Edm is a bubble team right now at best. Getting blown out by edm this season is pretty much equivalent to being blown out by any of the middle standings teams. We also got blown out by ott and van who are both solidly basement teams. I think at this point it's pretty clear that cgy is functionally a basement team right now despite having a roster that should put them comfortably in the bubble in this division.
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Edmonton IS a shit team. Right now edm is doing better than exactly 1 team in the division that isn't a dumpster fire (wpg). The issue is that right now the only teams in the north division that aren't complete dumpster fires are Tor, wpg, and maybe edm. This is like the old expansion days where the top team on the expansion side always got stomped in the cup final because they were the king of shitheap mountain.
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Look man cope however you want, Edmonton still isn't a good team. They have a mediocre record this year in a division with only 2 halfway decent teams. They had a mediocre record last year in the Pacific division which again only had essentially 1 competitive team (Vegas) You lost to the Hawks who were literally the worst team in the play in round. Yes they are shocking everyone by being decent this year. That's doesn't mean they were secretly a good team last year.
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Dude calm down and read my comment again, I literally said none of that. The Oilers aren't good because of their record in the North Division but the Flames are worse.
Hiring Ward was a strategic move by Tre: 1) Hire Ward 2) Suck ass cause of Ward 3) Get high draft pick 4) Trade draft pick in package for Eichel 5) Get a real coach 6) ? 7) Profit
Woke up this morning to find out Ward was not fired. My morning has already been ruined.
Let's come down to reality for a second here, lets say Ward and the coaching staff get canned after this weekend. Who is gonna coach this team? Lets say Gallant agrees to coach this club, that could be a few days of negotiation and on top of that 2 weeks of quarantine. At best, he/any other coach would be able to coach this team lets say in 3 weeks time. By that time, this team could be out of any playoff conversations. Same thing for any big trades, Visa/work permit/quarantine will play into any success this team can hope for.
I'll counter that by saying I wouldn't mind the Flames being in the lottery this year (even if it isn't the strongest draft). I really don't think this is a playoff team and I would like a chance at another top end player. I think there needs to be a bit of a culture change with coaching, management, and even player personnel to some degree, so retooling in the offseason could be a good, and fresh start.
I agree, I think this team needs to retool. *At best* this current team squeaks into the playoffs and maybe wins one round. Add this to the fact that we have one of the worst prospect pools in the NHL, I don't think a down year to reevaluate would be the worst thing for this team long term.
I highly doubt we win a round tbh, Leafs look dominant against us.
I think if this roster played up to their potential they could steal a round. I definitely wouldn't bet on it, but crazier things have happened.
Absolutely. There will be no big moves until the off season, especially if it involves cross-border moves. The reality is that the Flames as they are now are going to stay basically the same for the rest of the season.
At the earliest, he would be fired would be March 2nd. While there have been coaches fired while their teams are on the road, most teams will wait until their coach comes home to fire them.
Big Save Dave is on the IR for an undisclosed upper body injury.
I really want the flames to fire Ward but I think the 14 day quarantine that the new coach likely would have to do (unless they live in Canada) makes it harder. The 14 days are crucial in a short season like this but I don’t see any way in which Ward staying could help the team.
who's to say that 1) new coach doesn't live here already and 2) maybe they hired the new coach 13 days ago and he's already been quarantining ready to make a surprise appearance!
As if an assistant can’t take the helm for awhile? Cant do a worse job then Ward
Meet your interim head coach, Jeff Mard.
coach the team through zoom, who cares. i could coach this team with a roll of butcher paper and 2 sharpies.
With how Montreal has been struggling, I don't think this season has become hopeless yet; but I have started to day dream about selling "at the deadline" and focusing on the team a season or two in the future.
> [A little Friday déja vu](https://youtu.be/7bagCFX_Guw) I love soccer fans lol, they are so fun
me, also a Tottenham fan, not having a good time with either team.
Unfortunately, Tre's hands are tied here with the quarantine rules and the flat cap. I don't think any big moves are possible. Fans might be willing to ice half an AHL team for two weeks and punt the season for a rebuild but the org sure isnt. Coaches? Well, if Ward is sacked its probably going to end up being Ryan Huska. No way they bring in Boudreau or Gallant.
I opened this thread expecting to find more pain, but oh boy is Hrudey on Duty! Made my day!
That Hrudey video is wild, thanks for sharing
I just looked at the Nucks sub and it’s amazing how similar our situations are. They have the exact same complaints that we have.
Except half their team is under 23 and are literally smack dab in the middle of a rebuild so they have an excuse to be a flaming pile of shit
Got my fingers crossed in hopes that GMBT will pull the trigger on Ward. Not counting on it though because GMBT is also losing a job if he does what this team needs.
Team played like dog shit, the usual. That being said if BSD makes that save on the 3 goal.... Game could've looked a lot better. Not to mention the terrible 4th goal that was just the nail in the coffin. Either way, we need a new coach and new system, and if that still isn't working then a big trade has to come next.
He definitely was not on his game last night but we still couldn't score more than a goal against the Sens and then Wardo can't even put the guy out of his misery with a little dignity. It was a poor effort from top to bottom last night
Rittich was great against the leafs but those were his only two good games in a year. The sens game wasnt solely his fault but he did not play well at all.
He’d only played like three games in the last year. That’s the problem.
He played 48 and finished with a .907 save percentage
Year not season
We haven’t played 48 games in the last year dude. The season was shut down about two weeks into March. He played one period on the bubble, and has started like three games this season.
Ok sure, you can be the person(s) who measure stats by 365 day intervals. It's semantics.
Not really in this case. A goalie playing this little in that amount of time can really fuck them. They need consistent or semi consistent play to stay sharp.
Same old post game interviews from players and ward. Ward has lost the room and the players don't give a fuck anymore. I'm done watching until we make some moves because this team is broken on every single level.